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Yoga Slackers Sam Salwei and Raquel Hernández · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I am here with two very interesting
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Speaker 1: travelers that I'm really looking forward to interviewing for today
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Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about some really important subjects
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Speaker 1: as we travel around the world. So we have Sam
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Speaker 1: Solway with us and we also have Raquel Hernandez and
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Speaker 1: they are yoga slackers. So super excited for you guys
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Speaker 1: to be on the podcast today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're excited to be here. Thanks for having us.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely so.
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Speaker 1: The thing that I found really cool about your bio
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Speaker 1: and I watched a couple of your videos on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: is that you guys not only try to experience the world,
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Speaker 1: but you try to keep yourselves as engaged with the
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Speaker 1: places that you visit as possible, and that means the
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Speaker 1: earth that you're traveling on and the people that you're
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Speaker 1: engaging with. I'm really curious about what got you to
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Speaker 1: that point that you are today where you guys have
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Speaker 1: become such such healthy travelers. But Sam, you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: you grew up in North Dakota, and North Dakota is
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Speaker 1: not typically a place that produces a lot of travelers,
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Speaker 1: So how did you get from North Dakota to starting
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Speaker 1: to see the world.
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Speaker 3: So my story is my mom decided to move to
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Speaker 3: South Miami, Florida when I was five, so she put
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Speaker 3: us in She had a seventy five conversion van with
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Speaker 3: you know, the blue shag carpet and the tinted windows
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Speaker 3: and you know, the hippie van basically had hot air
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Speaker 3: balloons on the side of it, and so we loaded
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Speaker 3: up in that and went on a three thousand mile
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Speaker 3: trip across the United States. So I'm pretty sure that
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Speaker 3: kind of put the bug into my brain early on.
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Speaker 2: Good job, mom, huh, yeah, to get you out there.
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Speaker 2: That's great.
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Speaker 3: She she did retire a few years ago on her
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Speaker 3: Harley and travel around camping, so I think it does
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Speaker 3: definitely run in the family.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: And then you left North Dakota and where did you
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Speaker 1: first start or how did you first start traveling?
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Speaker 3: We did eventually move back when I was thirteen to
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Speaker 3: North Dakota, and I spent those years growing up there
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Speaker 3: and just having that, I guess exposure to cultural diversity
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Speaker 3: of living in South Miami really made me want to
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Speaker 3: see more of the world and not necessarily be content
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Speaker 3: in North Dakota. My mission at the time was watching
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Speaker 3: my friends growing up. There wasn't a lot of outlet
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Speaker 3: for excitement or fun, and everyone kind of turned to
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Speaker 3: more alcohol and cigarettes to kind of fill their time.
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Speaker 3: And that just never was something that resonated with me.
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Speaker 3: So then I wanted to start pulling the adventures I
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Speaker 3: saw out in the world back to the Midwest and
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Speaker 3: kind of try to fill that void. So while I
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Speaker 3: was in college, I found rock climbing nice and helped
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Speaker 3: start a climbing gym in the community. Basically start traveling
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Speaker 3: to climbing locations and got it and bringing that culture
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Speaker 3: back to the Midwest was really important.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Rock climbers have been overlanding before overlanding was a term,
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Speaker 1: so they camp out every night. They had tacomas before
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Speaker 1: tacomas were overland vehicles or some version of a Toyota
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Speaker 1: pickup or whatever. So you want to look and see
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Speaker 1: how real minimalist overlanding looks. Refer to the rock climbers,
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Speaker 1: I think I.
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Speaker 3: Believe you're correct. The term is a dirt bag.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to avoid saying that, but.
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Speaker 3: We embrace it as climbers and it's actually a badge
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Speaker 3: of honor. I think if you went that route. Now
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Speaker 3: things are changing so much and there's many different paths
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Speaker 3: to climbing, and that's wonderful as well. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No, I think it has to be able to meet
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Speaker 1: the needs of all people. But I think that there
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Speaker 1: is a purity to that, and you see it in
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Speaker 1: a lot of the climbers that have been particularly successful.
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Speaker 1: Because climbing is primarily a mental exercise. I don't do
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Speaker 1: very well as a rock climber. I'm just a giant
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Speaker 1: human being trying to scale a mountain. But I find
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Speaker 1: that when I do rock climb that, or canyoneering or
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Speaker 1: anything like that, when you can keep yourself calm and
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Speaker 1: focused and you can solve problems and you can push
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Speaker 1: past those discomforts, that you tend to make it to
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Speaker 1: the next obstacle.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot about being in the moment. You need
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Speaker 3: to think far enough ahead, but really keep the idea
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Speaker 3: of falling out of your head. Will you make these moves?
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Speaker 3: So it's breaking it down into minute problems and then
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Speaker 3: tackling a very small, specific problem without necessarily worrying that
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Speaker 3: you have a lot of exposure behind you, and then
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Speaker 3: Trusting the equipment is a big aspect of it.
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Speaker 1: And then have you found that in addition to trusting
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Speaker 1: this good gear that you're using, that you're also oftentimes
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Speaker 1: relying on others. Someone has you on Blay or maybe
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Speaker 1: your lead climbing and someone still has you on blay
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Speaker 1: or they're trusting you after you've climbed the route to
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Speaker 1: have set those anchors properly.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. So climbing really helps develop your trust
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Speaker 3: and fellow humans, and you are truly putting your life
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Speaker 3: into someone else's hands constantly. And that comes on both
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Speaker 3: sides of things, like you have to climb smart when
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Speaker 3: you're leading and you have someone blaying you if you're
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Speaker 3: doing something that's multi pitch as well as they have
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Speaker 3: to do everything right as well. So it's a lot
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Speaker 3: of double checking and making sure. It's so easy to
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Speaker 3: become complacent in something you do so frequently, so and
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Speaker 3: that's carried over into our overlanding experience as well, Like
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Speaker 3: when we go to leave somewhere, it's like did you
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Speaker 3: shut the window? Did you do this? That you make
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Speaker 3: sure this is in the right position.
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Speaker 1: And taking care of your equipment because we rely on
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Speaker 1: it when we travel around the world, we rely on
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Speaker 1: our vehicle, and we rely on our water filters, and
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Speaker 1: we rely on our refrigerator to keep our food fresh
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Speaker 1: and things like that. So it definitely does carry over
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Speaker 1: that mindfulness of the gear that we use. I believe
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Speaker 1: continues over into travel as well. Raquel, you grew up
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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. Did I get that correct? Okay, So
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Speaker 1: first of all, how did you start to travel or
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Speaker 1: did you always have a passion for travel.
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Speaker 4: I started to travel with my parents very luckily. I
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Speaker 4: think they when we were kids, they took us to
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Speaker 4: all the towns in Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 4: I feel it was an excuse because they were like,
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Speaker 4: we're not going to leave Puerto Rico until we have
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Speaker 4: seen all.
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Speaker 3: Of Puerto Rico, and I like that for a lot
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Speaker 3: of years.
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Speaker 4: For me, it was realizing how small Puerto Rico is
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Speaker 4: and how little I mean how much we could see.
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Speaker 4: But also you feel the boundaries of the island. And
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Speaker 4: I remember as a kid in geography looking at the
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Speaker 4: US and like tracing how far you can go on
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Speaker 4: land before you needed to take a plane or a
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Speaker 4: boat somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Interesting.
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Speaker 4: Same with euro that you can go from euro to
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Speaker 4: Africa to Asia. That for me always felt like something
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Speaker 4: amazing that people had the privilege to do that versus
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Speaker 4: where we're on a tiny island. So we needed to
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Speaker 4: fly somewhere. So I've been looking forward to traveling in
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Speaker 4: a vehicle for a long time. That's how it started.
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Speaker 4: I have a master's in marine biology, and when I
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Speaker 4: was doing my marine biology studies, I was doing a
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Speaker 4: lot of research and we had to present our research
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Speaker 4: in different conferences. So I ended up traveling internationally a
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Speaker 4: nation with them a lot. And that's part the idea
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Speaker 4: of oh I can go to a place, I can
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Speaker 4: fly to a place and then have the biggest adventure
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Speaker 4: I can afford in that location before I have to
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Speaker 4: come back.
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Speaker 1: So when you look back to that time traveling with
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Speaker 1: your family, what do you remember them teaching you about
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Speaker 1: travel that you still take with you today.
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Speaker 4: For me, it was that it can be done in
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Speaker 4: a budget, because that was also part of the reasons
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Speaker 4: we're mainly traveling duringk on car on Puerto Rico. Puerto
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Speaker 4: Rico small enough that the way my parents did it,
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Speaker 4: we came back home every night, sure, but we took
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Speaker 4: our food. We were there with other than spending for gas.
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Speaker 4: We didn't have to spend so much money, yet it
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Speaker 4: felt like we were living a very full life, right,
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Speaker 4: So that was the trick. It was different than if
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Speaker 4: we have gone and stay in hotels or the time,
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Speaker 4: or gone to restaurants that would have made a boundary
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Speaker 4: of being like, oh, I need to have this much
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Speaker 4: money to be able to do it. Versus with them,
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Speaker 4: it was more like just pack the car, take whatever
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Speaker 4: you want, leave what doesn't fit, and let's go have
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Speaker 4: an adventures.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. And I've never been to Puerto Rico and
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Speaker 1: I would love to go. But the question that this
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Speaker 1: is maybe a selfish question, but what are some of
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Speaker 1: the places that you love going to most in Puerto Rico?
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Speaker 4: Puerto Rica is really special. We have one of the
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Speaker 4: brightest bioluminiscent bay in the world. Wow, so every I
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Speaker 4: mean we have several we all not only have one,
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Speaker 4: we have at least three pretty big bass in the
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Speaker 4: bioluminism base in the island. So that's a special place
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Speaker 4: to go. So every time someone goes to Puerto Rico,
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Speaker 4: I like to play tourist's guide because I get to
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Speaker 4: go to my favorite places. Sure, so that's one for
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Speaker 4: sure to have for me makes it extra special because
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Speaker 4: once I go there, I always connect or try to
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Speaker 4: connect with the first person that was there jumping in
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Speaker 4: the water at night, and then all of the sign
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Speaker 4: everything starts glowing. Yeah, as I'm marine biologists, I know why.
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Speaker 4: But I can't imagine someone being like, what's going on?
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Speaker 1: What it would be the spirits of their ancestors or
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Speaker 1: it would be something that they would I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you look at like the Aurora borealis, which I believe
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Speaker 1: you guys would have encountered in your trip up north.
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Speaker 1: But to see the aurora is such a powerful experience,
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Speaker 1: and it's a version of that of what you see
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Speaker 1: with the bioluminescence. And I remember I just did a
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Speaker 1: sailing trip across the Pacific Ocean up to the Aleutian
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Speaker 1: Islands last year, and I remember late one night I
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Speaker 1: was at the helm and I didn't really notice the
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Speaker 1: bioluminescence at first, but then I looked back to check
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Speaker 1: the back of the boat. The swirling off of the
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Speaker 1: rudder of the sailboat was just creating these beautiful swirls
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Speaker 1: and pools of bioluminescence. I just stood there completely transfixed
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Speaker 1: by it for quite some time because it was so
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Speaker 1: beautiful whole and it was so quiet, and sailing in
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Speaker 1: general does give us a lot of those moments of stillness.
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Speaker 1: But in your time as a marine biologist, is that
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Speaker 1: when you really started to gain this appreciation for being
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Speaker 1: out in nature.
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Speaker 4: I decided to become a marine viologist because I wanted
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Speaker 4: to be out in nature. It's since I'm a child,
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Speaker 4: I want to be outside. My parents racist fairly religious,
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Speaker 4: and I was like, I find my church in nature,
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Speaker 4: so I want to go hiking and be on the mountain.
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Speaker 4: Connected with our ancestors, that Juki engine game which refers
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Speaker 4: to Jukiju, their god from our indigenous people. I connected
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Speaker 4: to that idea since I was a kid, so you know,
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Speaker 4: I think it was just why you're that way to be.
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Speaker 1: Out and nature is powerful for us. I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's such a healing force. I love the that in
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Speaker 1: the Japanese culture because so many Japanese live in cities,
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Speaker 1: so they don't have an opportunity to be in nature.
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Speaker 1: But oftentimes someone that's experiencing stress or some kind of
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Speaker 1: anxiety as part of in that culture, there doctor will
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Speaker 1: prescribe what they call nature bathing, and they'll prescribe for
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Speaker 1: this person to go out and be in nature, to
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Speaker 1: go into the trees and to listen to the water
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Speaker 1: and to feel the breeze against your skin. And that's
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Speaker 1: such a rarity in modern life.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring that up because on our first
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Speaker 3: trip up to Alaska in our tiny ford Festiva, we
11:36
Speaker 3: didn't have a sim card that worked in Canada, so
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Speaker 3: we downloaded a lot of old books that were in
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Speaker 3: the public domain on Liberbus, and a lot of the
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Speaker 3: books will refer to doctors prescribing mountain air to people,
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Speaker 3: and so we were drawn that same parallel as you
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Speaker 3: just brought up from Japan.
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Speaker 1: But it's so funny how we learned so much in
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Speaker 1: the modern day. There's so much technology available to us,
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Speaker 1: and are under standing of science and so many things
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Speaker 1: is so powerful, and it's important. It's important for us
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Speaker 1: as a species to move forward and find ways to
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Speaker 1: be more effective in the way that we do things.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing that those older practices are oftentimes either forgotten
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Speaker 1: or they're underappreciated. Here, take this pill and it'll make
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Speaker 1: you feel better, whereas maybe the pill that you need
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Speaker 1: is to go for a hike a couple times a
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Speaker 1: week as a marine biologist. What did you specialize in?
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Speaker 4: I still coral reefs. At the time, I was using
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Speaker 4: satellge image to monitor the reef health and actually even
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Speaker 4: like retrospective because there was a big die off in
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Speaker 4: the seventies of reefs throughout the Caribbean, so we were
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Speaker 4: mapping that die off. Which now it's easy to connect
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Speaker 4: things in the past, like you helped me just right
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Speaker 4: now to connect some things. Is that I'm interested in.
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Speaker 4: Corals are very sensitive organism. The Baio Bay, the rainforests,
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Speaker 4: so are things that humans have a big impact. We do.
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Speaker 4: We plow land it affects the corro rips, we plow
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Speaker 4: landing trends, it affects both the rainforests and the violuminiscence.
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Speaker 4: So I guess in a way, I was observing how
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Speaker 4: as humans we make a change, sometimes not knowing the
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Speaker 4: consequences of our actions, but that a lot of organisms
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Speaker 4: suffers and ourselves. The first time I went to the
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Speaker 4: biobay as a kid, it was like entering Avatar, like
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Speaker 4: the movie was so bright, so beautiful, And as I've
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Speaker 4: been going every two years. Let's say when our friend
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Speaker 4: goes in Puerto Rico and happened to be there. I
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Speaker 4: have witnessed the die off. It's still bright compared to
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Speaker 4: other ones, but not quite as bright. And I'm still young, right,
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Speaker 4: it hasn't happened. It's not being the eighties. Knew what
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Speaker 4: was happening when I was a kid. I'm just FORI yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: And your time in marine biology, how did that allow
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Speaker 1: for you to begin to travel the way that you
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Speaker 1: are now? Or how did you two meet? I guess
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Speaker 1: is what I'm asking. How did you guys start doing
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Speaker 1: this form of travel well traveling as.
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Speaker 4: A marine biologist, I took advantage of grant so I
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Speaker 4: had the privilege of doing research, being funded and being
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Speaker 4: applied to different progress that took me out, Like I
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Speaker 4: prepped two programs to bring more people of color into
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Speaker 4: this into science. So that was a big help.
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Speaker 2: That so important.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it did showed me in a way that what
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Speaker 4: I want was the sensation of being outdoors, like this
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Speaker 4: idea of being in church in a sense everywhere I go,
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Speaker 4: and with time and transition to yoga and through yoga,
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Speaker 4: I can find that anywhere I am, even if I'm
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Speaker 4: in a city. So I went from marine biologies. I
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Speaker 4: joke that I self medicated through yoga to finish my
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Speaker 4: studies quickly. I became a yoga teacher, traveled to India to
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Speaker 4: do that, and then started traveling us both a yoga
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Speaker 4: tea shirt and someone that just grab a backpack, go
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Speaker 4: maybe learn or teach an allocation and explore. And in
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Speaker 4: one of those trips is where I met Sam. I
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Speaker 4: wanted to get training on slack lining. I was already
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Speaker 4: at climbing in Puerto Rico. I was slack lining as
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Speaker 4: a yogi. I started doing yoga on a slack line
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Speaker 4: and there realized that there was a company yoga slackers
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Speaker 4: that was doing exactly that.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 4: So I went to one of those trainings and so
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Speaker 4: this immediately fell in love with him.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's so wonderful. And where was the training at
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Speaker 1: Where was it located?
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Speaker 3: It was in Virginia. You know, it's for lovers.
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Speaker 2: I love it. That's so fantastic.
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Speaker 3: That was something that was pointed out to us here
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Speaker 3: at this show. We had never really connected the dots.
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Speaker 3: We've been together ten years now and never really connected
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Speaker 3: the dots. That we met in Virginia, and it was
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Speaker 3: for lovers.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's that's our new thing. Oh, that's wonderful.
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Speaker 1: And the yoga side of it is really interesting to me.
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Speaker 1: I'm terrible at yoga. But the thing that's so great
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Speaker 1: about yoga that I've been told every time I go
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Speaker 1: is that it's your practice, which for me, i'm really
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Speaker 1: practicing because I have no idea what I'm doing and
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Speaker 1: I'm usually fall over in some fashion or the other.
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Speaker 1: But since it's my practice, I stopped trying because I
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Speaker 1: can't do the things that the instructor is doing. I'm
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Speaker 1: not that flexible, and I'm a big human being trying
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Speaker 1: to bend myself in directions that I probably don't bend
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Speaker 1: very well. But I find that every time that I
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Speaker 1: do yoga and I put some intention behind it and
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Speaker 1: I do it with regularity, it's amazing, how better, how
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Speaker 1: much better my back feels, or how much better my
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Speaker 1: hips feel, or And in the same way that I
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Speaker 1: have found meditation to be really powerful. And meditation takes
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Speaker 1: many forms, So for those that are listening, you'll find
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Speaker 1: your own version of what that is. For some people
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Speaker 1: that may be praying, for some people that may be
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Speaker 1: just taking a long walk and being lost in your thoughts.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's a little bit more intentional. I found
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Speaker 1: that if I can do yoga often enough, and if
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Speaker 1: I can do meditation often enough, my life improves quite
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Speaker 1: a bit. So for you two, since this is a
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Speaker 1: part of your life and it's something that you guys
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Speaker 1: practice on a regular basis, there are stresses to being travelers,
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Speaker 1: and there's all of these new experiences, and there's these
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Speaker 1: issues that come up in challenges and everything else like that.
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Speaker 1: How have you found that yoga, slack lining, meditation, those practices,
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Speaker 1: how have they improved your travels or made you better travelers?
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Speaker 4: First, when we think about yoga, we're thinking of yoga
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Speaker 4: as a full system. Right. It's very easy nowadays to
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Speaker 4: look at yoga only as they ask practice the physical practice,
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Speaker 4: which is fabulous. But we look at yoga more as
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Speaker 4: the system that includes meditation, includes pranayama, include breath work, breathworkanaama.
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Speaker 2: What is so pranayama is breath work, breathwork?
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Speaker 4: Okay, So then yoga is the method and also the
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Speaker 4: goal in a sense is how can we if we
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Speaker 4: look at the eightfold path, which is you're supposed to
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Speaker 4: do eight things to find mental clarity, let's call it.
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Speaker 4: And it starts first with how you act, right, you're
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Speaker 4: yamas and yamas in a way if we were to
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Speaker 4: like translated really quickly, is be a good person to others.
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Speaker 4: Be a good person to yourselves, including things like cleaningness,
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Speaker 4: right like sometimes have someone needs to take a shower.
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Speaker 4: Not just about your health or my health.
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Speaker 1: It's about our health and the people that interact with you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we start Actually Yama, I think is the
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Speaker 4: first one, which is a non violent which is one
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Speaker 4: that if we look at this in order, it says,
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Speaker 4: first ahimsa, the first thing that we need to do
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Speaker 4: is be non violent, so non violent towards others, non
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Speaker 4: violence towards the planet, not violence physically, but also mentally, emotionally, verbally.
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Speaker 4: So we're thinking about that Yamas and yamas, be good
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Speaker 4: to others, be good to yourself, if we want to
19:28
Speaker 4: like make them very simple. Then it says asana and
19:33
Speaker 4: the idea of asa as the physical movement to make
19:36
Speaker 4: your body comfortable. Like you notice that the more you
19:39
Speaker 4: practice the physical practice of asana, your back feels good,
19:43
Speaker 4: but also probably your mind feels So then they said,
19:48
Speaker 4: sit down and focus on your breath pranayama, and once
19:52
Speaker 4: you focus on your breath, this is kind of the
19:54
Speaker 4: only things that you can control. Then the longer you
19:57
Speaker 4: focus on your breath, you find in a state of
20:00
Speaker 4: of concentration. The longer you are on that state of concentration,
20:04
Speaker 4: you realize that you get to a space that you
20:07
Speaker 4: are a witness of everything. And the last step, which
20:11
Speaker 4: is somebody enlightenment, is realizing that you are the witness
20:17
Speaker 4: and you are the person and the space that's being witness.
20:21
Speaker 4: So when we look at yoga in a sense, I
20:23
Speaker 4: try to bring yoga to everything we do, not necessarily
20:27
Speaker 4: on the.
20:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful, though, it's amazing.
20:30
Speaker 4: Not necessarily on the physical practice, but on the mental
20:34
Speaker 4: stillness and going back to that idea of non violence,
20:39
Speaker 4: two more.
20:39
Speaker 2: Severity, including ourselves, including ourselves. Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
20:44
Speaker 1: And then how how do you feel like that having
20:48
Speaker 1: that practice.
20:49
Speaker 2: Be a part of your life every day? How do
20:52
Speaker 2: you feel like that has helped you?
20:54
Speaker 3: As travelers, we've been on the road for well, I've
20:57
Speaker 3: been on around fifteen years, and we've been on the
20:58
Speaker 3: road together for ten and we just face a lot
21:02
Speaker 3: of non traditional challenges. So being able to have this
21:07
Speaker 3: tool to address these non traditional challenges is being a
21:10
Speaker 3: big help because there's it's not like we can look
21:13
Speaker 3: to others for examples now that the Internet is more
21:16
Speaker 3: popular and there are more people doing what we do,
21:18
Speaker 3: and we had those examples and we hope to be
21:20
Speaker 3: some of those examples for other of you guys are
21:22
Speaker 3: for sure, but just having that methodology to handle the
21:27
Speaker 3: challenges and utilizing that to communicate better with each other,
21:31
Speaker 3: that whole thread of non.
21:32
Speaker 1: Violence really yeah, even towards each other. You're right because
21:36
Speaker 1: you're in you guys travel in the Delica, which is
21:38
Speaker 1: a small van and it's is it a right hand
21:41
Speaker 1: drive so it is a small diesel right hand drive van.
21:46
Speaker 1: Usually they're imported from Japan. They're very popular now because
21:49
Speaker 1: they're a great a great platform. But it's a small vehicle,
21:52
Speaker 1: not only to sit next to each other while you're
21:54
Speaker 1: driving for many hours, but also sleeping in the back.
21:57
Speaker 1: It's a very small space. It doesn't mean that we
22:00
Speaker 1: get a lot of time for stillness and quiet and
22:03
Speaker 1: alone time when we travel with others. So I can
22:06
Speaker 1: see why that would be so helpful as a traveler.
22:10
Speaker 1: You're driving along, you're in traffic and you start to
22:13
Speaker 1: focus on your breath, or you're driving along and you
22:15
Speaker 1: just got cut off and you start to focus on
22:18
Speaker 1: non violence.
22:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Austin also translates through so sure, sitting
22:24
Speaker 3: in a hunch position, you're putting attention to your posture.
22:27
Speaker 1: Sure, And when you stop the vehicle to get fuel
22:30
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22:32
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22:34
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22:35
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Speaker 1: I've always wondered if there isn't a series of either
23:44
Speaker 1: poses or movements or thoughtfulness around that that help us
23:47
Speaker 1: when we get tired when we're driving. So, if you
23:50
Speaker 1: guys are driving along and you're tired, and you stop
23:53
Speaker 1: the vehicle to kind of refresh your mind and gain
23:56
Speaker 1: back a little bit of energy and clarity, are there
23:59
Speaker 1: things that you you would do to help improve that.
24:01
Speaker 1: I mean, I do jumping jacks now, or I run
24:03
Speaker 1: around the vehicle a bunch of times, but I don't
24:06
Speaker 1: find that it lasts that long. Whereas when I combine
24:09
Speaker 1: it the last time with some breath work that helped
24:12
Speaker 1: big breaths in and really saturating the lungs and being
24:16
Speaker 1: mindful of that, it actually helped a little bit better
24:19
Speaker 1: even than doing jumping jacks. So what if you guys
24:23
Speaker 1: found works to help when you're tired.
24:25
Speaker 4: When we're tired, we have the advantage that we have
24:27
Speaker 4: a second person. Sure, we just trade off, but there
24:31
Speaker 4: is in yoga when we look at poses are either
24:35
Speaker 4: cooling poses or warming poses like you either create stillness
24:40
Speaker 4: on the butter on the body or fire. Okay, we're
24:43
Speaker 4: looking at fires. So for myself, if I needed to
24:48
Speaker 4: wake up, I will go outside and do some handstand
24:52
Speaker 4: or do some salutation even's on the middle of the nine.
24:55
Speaker 4: Just things that bring fire into the body so I
24:58
Speaker 4: can stay awakened.
24:59
Speaker 1: And is the sun salutation where the knee is forward
25:02
Speaker 1: and the other describe the pose?
25:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll let Reckell describe it. But the goal there
25:08
Speaker 3: is really linking your breath with your movement, which builds
25:11
Speaker 3: that fire.
25:11
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:12
Speaker 4: So Sun salutations is a sequence of posss. Now, you
25:15
Speaker 4: will start standing in, he'll go up four ward fold,
25:19
Speaker 4: touch your toes in, he'll look forward, move into a
25:22
Speaker 4: plank position. So it has a push up incorporated into it.
25:26
Speaker 4: In the next inhalation brings you into a backband excel
25:30
Speaker 4: into a down or dog and then you go back
25:32
Speaker 4: to standing.
25:33
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:34
Speaker 4: So one of the benefits of that sequence in particular
25:38
Speaker 4: is that it work with the flexion of extension of
25:40
Speaker 4: your spine, and in that sense it works not only
25:43
Speaker 4: with your spine, but your hip flexers, your hips, your
25:46
Speaker 4: entire body. Right. So in five song salutations probably take
25:52
Speaker 4: less than a minute, and you move your body, you
25:55
Speaker 4: recirculated air and blood and energy, and then you're It's
26:00
Speaker 4: a great way to wake up and move throughout the day.
26:03
Speaker 2: It's kind of an ancient burpie.
26:05
Speaker 4: Yep.
26:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I wouldn't doubt that the burpie somehow came
26:10
Speaker 3: from sun sight.
26:12
Speaker 1: You can see it, Yeah, you can see it. And
26:15
Speaker 1: why it would be so helpful. I mean, the burpie
26:18
Speaker 1: is a little bit more of a form of torture,
26:20
Speaker 1: but I do like the sun salutation. I find it's
26:22
Speaker 1: a pretty good one.
26:23
Speaker 4: Yeah. There's also breath works that is targeted to awaken,
26:28
Speaker 4: and also other things that bring you joy in general.
26:32
Speaker 4: Like I don't tend to do a lot of chanting
26:35
Speaker 4: or singing, but every so often when I'm tired, I
26:38
Speaker 4: might just put a stand at half man draft and
26:40
Speaker 4: just like singing as much as I can. In a way,
26:43
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what you're singing. It's about something that
26:47
Speaker 4: brings joy into your current moment.
26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:52
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk practically a little bit, because we
26:55
Speaker 1: do the overlanding thing. So what helped you decide on
26:59
Speaker 1: the delica? What prompted you to decide on that vehicle
27:03
Speaker 1: to travel in.
27:04
Speaker 3: I spent twelve years in the nineteen eighty eight Ford Festiva,
27:07
Speaker 3: so about twenty which is amazing.
27:09
Speaker 1: And where did you travel in that car? What was
27:11
Speaker 1: the like the furthest northwest, east south? You went in
27:16
Speaker 1: that vehicle.
27:17
Speaker 3: We did all of that, so I love it. We
27:19
Speaker 3: were in Alaska, we did Newfoundland for northeast.
27:23
Speaker 1: We should go to Saint John's in the in the
27:25
Speaker 1: end of the all the.
27:26
Speaker 3: Way amazing both yep, down to Key west of southernmost point,
27:31
Speaker 3: and then we didn't get much into Mexico. At one
27:34
Speaker 3: point the car made it down into Sonora, Mexico. But
27:36
Speaker 3: that's as far south as it were.
27:38
Speaker 2: You with the car when it made it down to Sonora, Mexico.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yes, our question there are cars that make it to Sonora,
27:43
Speaker 1: Mexico without the driver.
27:45
Speaker 3: That is an excellent question. A sidebar to that is
27:48
Speaker 3: we we went to San Francisco and on the way
27:52
Speaker 3: I had changed the oil in the car, but accidentally
27:54
Speaker 3: changed the transmission fluid, drained the transmission fluid and filled
27:57
Speaker 3: the oil. Needless to say, the car didn't make it fall. Yeah,
28:00
Speaker 3: and we still need to make it to San Francisco. Luckily,
28:02
Speaker 3: we borrowed our friends dad's car. We made it to
28:04
Speaker 3: San Francisco, and then within three days our bikes were stolen.
28:07
Speaker 3: In the car was stolen, I believe it.
28:11
Speaker 2: So they stole a non running vehicle.
28:13
Speaker 3: No, no, so we saw.
28:14
Speaker 2: Your dad's car.
28:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, we stole our friend's dad's.
28:16
Speaker 2: Oh, your friend's dad's car was stolen.
28:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it, and it would have been our
28:19
Speaker 3: car that had now lived this amazing life.
28:22
Speaker 2: And who knows where it is now?
28:24
Speaker 3: Right? Well, actually the police recovered it. Oh God, a
28:27
Speaker 3: longer story.
28:27
Speaker 2: Even longer story.
28:28
Speaker 1: I see how that works. So then, is that when
28:30
Speaker 1: you decided that the Delica was for you or well.
28:33
Speaker 3: So the path from the car really enjoyed the small
28:36
Speaker 3: platform and the maneuverability of it. We are overlanding in
28:39
Speaker 3: every sense of the term. Is like, we need to
28:41
Speaker 3: be as comfortable in a city as we are out
28:43
Speaker 3: in the back country. So the Delica had a very
28:46
Speaker 3: similar footprint to the Festiva. It's only about a foot
28:49
Speaker 3: and a half longer. Interesting, and it's actually narrower than
28:52
Speaker 3: the Festiva.
28:53
Speaker 2: Interesting, but it's so much taller.
28:55
Speaker 3: Yes, we get a lot more cubic feet. We like
28:58
Speaker 3: to say, but it's sixty six ware feet as opposed
29:01
Speaker 3: to the twenty eight of the Festiva.
29:03
Speaker 4: When we made the transition from one car to the other,
29:06
Speaker 4: we did it first because the Festiva was dying, so
29:10
Speaker 4: there was rust on the uniframe. We needed to get
29:13
Speaker 4: a new vehicle. If that hadn't happened, we will probably
29:17
Speaker 4: still dropping on the Festiva.
29:18
Speaker 3: Now it doesn't work. It's the exact same year. Well,
29:21
Speaker 3: we needed to tell a different vehicle.
29:22
Speaker 2: That's very true, new to you vehicle.
29:26
Speaker 4: So my request was that we needed to get a
29:30
Speaker 4: vehicle that had a big enough bed to feed both
29:33
Speaker 4: of our shoulders sideways. Sure, because the Festiva had at
29:37
Speaker 4: one point five per some bed.
29:39
Speaker 2: I got you one of us.
29:41
Speaker 4: We usually slept sideways. Shoulders were starting to feel it. Sure,
29:46
Speaker 4: there's nothing of yoga that you can do if you're
29:49
Speaker 4: sleeping position. It's uncomfortable.
29:50
Speaker 2: I see, sleep is such a critical piece.
29:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was one request. The other one was
29:57
Speaker 4: that we needed to have an air conditioning. I kind
30:00
Speaker 4: of got one and a half of their request.
30:02
Speaker 3: We have a yeah, bigger bed, but the air conditioning
30:05
Speaker 3: didn't work when we bought the van. Okay, we subsequently
30:09
Speaker 3: removed that AC and eventually put in a twelve compressor.
30:12
Speaker 3: So but works, it works.
30:15
Speaker 1: Does that Does that allow for you to have air
30:17
Speaker 1: conditioning then when you first go to sleep, you can
30:19
Speaker 1: even run it with the vehicle parked.
30:22
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the twelvel AC is amazing for us because
30:27
Speaker 3: we have a bunch of storage battle Born batteries and stuff,
30:29
Speaker 3: so we can use the AC and set the temperature
30:32
Speaker 3: a little higher and then we can run it all night.
30:34
Speaker 2: Amazing.
30:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes such a difference when you're outside and
30:38
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a breeze and stuff. It can
30:40
Speaker 1: be fine during the day to be in eighty five
30:42
Speaker 1: ninety degree temperatures, but for some reason, when like when
30:46
Speaker 1: I sleep, if I can get it down in the
30:48
Speaker 1: sixties like I hibernate, I do so much better. So
30:51
Speaker 1: I do find that having having it being a little colder.
30:54
Speaker 1: Right now, I've been testing this small little air conditioning
30:57
Speaker 1: unit in my scout camper and it only runs for
31:01
Speaker 1: three or four hours off the battery that's with it.
31:04
Speaker 1: If I just have it blowing kind of over my
31:06
Speaker 1: chest and face, there's something about that cool air that
31:09
Speaker 1: does help me go to sleep. Yeah.
31:11
Speaker 3: So and that's like the delica is pretty small, so
31:14
Speaker 3: we zone things off with curtains. That's fling a very
31:17
Speaker 3: small area.
31:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot. That makes a lot of sense.
31:20
Speaker 1: Your Delica is fol drive as well.
31:23
Speaker 2: Yep.
31:23
Speaker 1: So now you've been able to get even further into
31:25
Speaker 1: the back country. Although I'm sure you took that festiva
31:28
Speaker 1: places that.
31:29
Speaker 4: It doesn't recommend it.
31:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to put it, quel, Yeah,
31:33
Speaker 3: but that's true.
31:33
Speaker 1: And everywhere in the world you see that in Puerto Rico,
31:35
Speaker 1: you see it anywhere is you know, you're you're back
31:38
Speaker 1: in this trail with your ful drive and you're feeling
31:41
Speaker 1: all over landy and everything, and here comes like a
31:43
Speaker 1: local in there and they're there in their selica exactly.
31:47
Speaker 1: And if they get a little stuck, everybody hops out
31:49
Speaker 1: and they all push and they keep going. And it's
31:51
Speaker 1: an important, humbling reminder that there are certainly places in
31:55
Speaker 1: the world that fuil drive is a is a critical
31:58
Speaker 1: piece and it does give it some peace of mind.
32:01
Speaker 1: If you guys get snow, you've got ye some capability.
32:05
Speaker 1: If you get some mud, you've got some capability. Some sand,
32:07
Speaker 1: and have you enjoyed the Delica.
32:09
Speaker 3: Just briefly on the four wheel drive system a little
32:11
Speaker 3: bit more. We put in manual hubs, so then essentially
32:14
Speaker 3: we have too low and then we have a limited
32:16
Speaker 3: slip differential. Perfect, So we use that to kind of
32:18
Speaker 3: go into places, and if we can't go in anymore,
32:22
Speaker 3: then we stop going that direction because we know we
32:25
Speaker 3: can get out with four wheel drive.
32:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:27
Speaker 1: Sure, and it probably gives you better gas knowledge having
32:29
Speaker 1: the hubs on the front yep.
32:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can disengage the front drive unit altogether.
32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
32:35
Speaker 3: And then also it's great in an emergency because I
32:38
Speaker 3: blew out a U joint and then with the auto
32:40
Speaker 3: hubs you can't. You don't have the resistance to engage
32:43
Speaker 3: the front system. So with manual hubs you can engage
32:46
Speaker 3: the front system and then drive in two wheel drive
32:49
Speaker 3: limp backed.
32:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, civilization, front wheel drive. Sure, you drop the rear
32:52
Speaker 2: drive shaft.
32:53
Speaker 3: Well I didn't even have to drop the drive shaft.
32:55
Speaker 3: That you joint exploded in the vehicle through the drive
32:57
Speaker 3: shaft somewhere in the state. Really, I couldn't find it.
33:00
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's an amazing story. Didn't do it.
33:02
Speaker 1: But normally that does an enormous amount of damage to
33:04
Speaker 1: the underside of the vehicle.
33:06
Speaker 3: The first time it happened, it did do an enormous
33:08
Speaker 3: amount of damage. Yeah, it took out the tunnel for
33:11
Speaker 3: the fifth gear on the trans transmission, so it's like
33:14
Speaker 3: an aluminum housing that went and then it turned into
33:17
Speaker 3: like a small airplane propeller totally. It's a Delica is
33:20
Speaker 3: an eighty eight inch wheelbase, so our drive shaft I
33:22
Speaker 3: think it's twelve inches. It might be thirteen inches long.
33:25
Speaker 3: So that sucker turned into a propeller underneath and took
33:27
Speaker 3: out the gas tank and just all bound up and
33:30
Speaker 3: took out the transfer case. It twisted the wa thing out.
33:34
Speaker 3: The second time it blew, it just took out the
33:37
Speaker 3: output shaft on the transfer case. So very lucky that
33:41
Speaker 3: broke off and then jettison the drive shaft somewhere. I
33:45
Speaker 3: looked for it for about an hour and a half
33:47
Speaker 3: and I could not find it.
33:48
Speaker 2: Wow, it became a projectile.
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, no one was on the side. I
33:52
Speaker 3: ran a mile and a half down the road back
33:54
Speaker 3: looking on the interstate both sides.
33:56
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
33:57
Speaker 3: I couldn't find it.
33:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows, it's somewhere in.
33:59
Speaker 3: Camp Well, yeah, I was in Idaho.
34:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what a cool vehicle.
34:04
Speaker 1: And then are you guys planning you're still mostly traveling
34:07
Speaker 1: in the US with it, or are you planning to
34:08
Speaker 1: start traveling?
34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, the goal further south.
34:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, the goal is probably we do a little bit
34:14
Speaker 3: of work overseas, so we'll fly out to Thailand from
34:17
Speaker 3: the east coast. So I was thinking, I haven't even
34:20
Speaker 3: told her kel yet, so you all will hear before
34:23
Speaker 3: at the same time. But I would like to drive
34:27
Speaker 3: up into Labrador because we didn't get there with the car.
34:29
Speaker 3: We just went to Newfoundland with the car. So I
34:31
Speaker 3: want to get over to Labrador and kind of check
34:34
Speaker 3: that area out and then we'll come down and potentially
34:38
Speaker 3: head all the way down to Patagonia.
34:40
Speaker 2: That'll be amazing. Yeah, and it's a perfect vehicle for that.
34:43
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. You have to be a little creative
34:44
Speaker 3: getting through costa Rica right hand drive, but I've heard
34:48
Speaker 3: some stories of contacting local car clubs and doing like
34:51
Speaker 3: a car show and basically get a special permit to
34:54
Speaker 3: get through. Or you could ship around as well.
34:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
34:58
Speaker 1: The right hand drive is an interesting thing. Or you
35:01
Speaker 1: just get when you're parked at the border. You just
35:03
Speaker 1: have a fake steering wheel on the left hand side.
35:05
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, ironically, we do have a quick release
35:07
Speaker 3: steering wheel, so you just mount a hub on the
35:10
Speaker 3: other side, just saying the wheel over. Just hopefully the
35:13
Speaker 3: customs agents are listening.
35:17
Speaker 4: Trying to get me for years to just pretend.
35:20
Speaker 3: That and then like look at the person next to
35:24
Speaker 3: you and like freak out and hold a steer.
35:27
Speaker 2: I know.
35:28
Speaker 4: And you.
35:30
Speaker 1: Want to talk about trust, right, because when you're driving
35:33
Speaker 1: a right hand drive, when you pass, you rely on
35:36
Speaker 1: your passenger entirely to be accurate in their assessment of
35:40
Speaker 1: and then and then you're driving a Delica which makes
35:43
Speaker 1: about sixty horse power.
35:44
Speaker 2: A little bit, you know what I mean.
35:46
Speaker 1: But you know, you've really got a plan ahead, and
35:48
Speaker 1: you really got to trust your passenger when they say
35:51
Speaker 1: go for it. The right hand drives are they're exciting.
35:54
Speaker 3: Merging onto the interstate because we you know, we're entering
35:57
Speaker 3: the interstate about thirty five miles an hour, and that's
35:59
Speaker 3: a good minute to get up to speed, so you
36:02
Speaker 3: have to time that one.
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37:01
Speaker 4: Like, it's interesting because we both have a very different
37:05
Speaker 4: way of driving. Like Sam has something and it happens
37:10
Speaker 4: even when he's walking. He's about like getting out of
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Speaker 4: the way from people and not holding people over. And
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I have as much ride as everyone to
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Speaker 4: be here. As long as I'm safe, I can be
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Speaker 4: slow and I can make it my practice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So it's like between those kind of like bouncing back
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Speaker 4: and forth between when we take Sam's way when we
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Speaker 4: take my way. In that sense, it's worked out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's amazing. So how do people find out
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Speaker 1: more about what you do. How do they find you
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Speaker 1: on the on social media? And you guys have a
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: As well, we do so.
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Speaker 3: Our company, which I started out of that eighty eight
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Speaker 3: festiva back in two thousand and five with a friend
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Speaker 3: of mine, is called Yoga Slackers, So anything, TikTok, all
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Speaker 3: of the things. Every social channel is Yoga Slackers, Yoga
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Speaker 3: slackers dot com. And then the van has its own
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Speaker 3: Instagram and direct website URL. But it kind of brings
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Speaker 3: you to Yoga Slackers as well, but it's slacker Van.
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Speaker 2: Slacker Van. I like it. I like it.
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Speaker 1: And then do you guys also do trainings and retreats?
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys engage with the public. If
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Speaker 1: people wanted to come and learn some of these skills
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Speaker 1: that you have, how do they do that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, looking on the website, we put anything from day
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Speaker 4: classes as we are traveling, so one insest thing to
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Speaker 4: do is often we put out our travel schedule, like
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Speaker 4: our driving schedule, and ask people if they want us
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Speaker 4: to come to their local yoga studio or community center
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Speaker 4: to do a class. And that can be anything from yoga, slacklining, acro.
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Speaker 4: Even at the moment we started teaching some yoga with
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Speaker 4: your vehicles, things that you can do I like that.
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Speaker 4: We call it also yoga snacks.
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Speaker 2: Yoga snacks that's cool that you.
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Speaker 4: Can do throughout the day once or twice during the year.
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Speaker 4: We have bigger events, like we're headed to Thailand to
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Speaker 4: do a handstand retreat. In December, we have a slack
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Speaker 4: line and retreat there too, and later on April we
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Speaker 4: have a cycling retreat through Ireland.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 4: So we try to make adventure with all the practices
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Speaker 4: that we have, I mean, not all in one event,
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Speaker 4: but throughout the year. We want to be able to
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Speaker 4: do a little bit of everything.
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Speaker 1: Well, if you too, ever make it to Prescott, Arizona,
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Speaker 1: we would love to have you guys do something for
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Speaker 1: our team. Be wonderful, have everybody come to the office
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Speaker 1: and learn some of these amazing techniques. Thank you both
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Speaker 1: so much for being on the podcast and sharing your
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Speaker 1: stories and being such an inspiration to so many. The
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Speaker 1: world needs more travelers like you, guys that are willing
39:49
Speaker 1: to find your own way forward and nonviolence to those
39:53
Speaker 1: that around us, being very open to these cultures that
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Speaker 1: we engage with. So I really appreciate your time today.
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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot for having us. I mean, it's a pleasure.
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Speaker 3: I've been following Expedition Portal and what you all have
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Speaker 3: been doing for a long long time, and so it's
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Speaker 3: really fun to be on this side of the.
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Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. Yeah, we look forward to telling
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Speaker 1: your story. And Jack Mac, one of our editors, did
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Speaker 1: an article on your van not that long ago on
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Speaker 1: Expedition portal dot com, so people can check that out
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Speaker 1: there as well as find out more information about what
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Speaker 1: you two do. But we thank you for being on
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Speaker 1: the podcast and we'll talk to you all next time.
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Speaker 3: See you out there.