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Did brutal killer and his mistress stab teen girl MacKenna Milhon dead, then burn her bloody clothes? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I Want Justice.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace premieres March ninth, only on
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. A nineteen year old girl hops in her
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Speaker 1: car and goes to the gas station that Come and
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Speaker 1: Go the seven to eleven and that's it. She's just gone.
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Speaker 1: And the dichotomy of a seemingly normal day just as
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Speaker 1: blown to hub allenback. What happened and where was the
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Speaker 1: last time McKenna milhan was saying alive Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. On December twenty second, Milhan was reported missing
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Speaker 1: by her mother. This bring Field Police Department had been
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Speaker 1: investigating her disappearance since she was reported missing. McKenna Milheim's
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Speaker 1: mother reported her daughter missing two days after receiving a
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Speaker 1: text from McKenna that she had been raped. According to
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Speaker 1: the Missouri State Highway Patrols Endangered Person Advisory for her,
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Speaker 1: Milhan was last seen on December twentieth. She was seen
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Speaker 1: getting into a black vehicle at the Come and Go
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Speaker 1: at National and Norton in Springfield. I'm Nancy Grace, what
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Speaker 1: happened to mckinna milhon? Have you ever heard the phrase
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Speaker 1: disappeared into thin air? We'll think about it. What if
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Speaker 1: that was your loved one, they went off to work
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Speaker 1: that morning, or they went about their business and you
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Speaker 1: just very simply never saw them again. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: with me. Jason Wart journalist owner Ozark's Independent dot Com.
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Speaker 1: We're now medical examiner out of South Carolina. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: author of homicide Investigation field Guide. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst,
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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD twenty two years,
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Speaker 1: homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jene Grant, Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger dot com, Defense attorney, former prosecutor out of Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: Darreld Cohen, and special guest joining us, Rain Marie Davis.
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Speaker 1: First of all, let's figure out what happened and where
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Speaker 1: was the last time McKenna Milhahn was seen alive. We
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Speaker 1: understand that she was last seeing getting into a vehicle
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Speaker 1: at the come and go, okay, I assume that that
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Speaker 1: is like a seven eleven. Jason Wurt, owner Ozar's Independent
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Tell me about the last time this beautiful,
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Speaker 1: young nineteen year old girl was seen alive, sane, alive.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses said that she was seeing at the location, she
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Speaker 1: was talking to people, Everything seemed fine. She climbed into
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Speaker 1: the vehicle with somebody that they said she appeared to know.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing that indicated she was scared or she
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Speaker 1: was afraid to be there. Climbed into the vehicle, they
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Speaker 1: pulled out into the night, and that was the last
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Speaker 1: she was seeing. Okay, what exactly is it coming? Guy?
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Speaker 1: It's your typical convenience store gas pumps, you know, like
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Speaker 1: a seven to eleven. You're pretty accurate in describing it.
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Speaker 1: I call everything a seven to eleven, and apparently that's
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Speaker 1: not correct. Jason, where's You're a journalist. I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: have an eye for detail. Okay, let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: Jason wret were their surveillance videos. There were surveillance videos
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Speaker 1: that did catch her getting into the vehicle, but there
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Speaker 1: wasn't anything on the video that was released to the
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Speaker 1: public that really gave any indication as to who she
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Speaker 1: had gone with, and so that was part of the
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Speaker 1: problem is nobody really seemed to know who she had
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Speaker 1: disappeared with at the time. They just knew that she
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Speaker 1: had gotten into a vehicle, and it appeared that she
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Speaker 1: was on friendly terms with the person that she got
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Speaker 1: into the vehicle with. She wasn't forced into it, willingly
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Speaker 1: got into the vehicle. And we understand something, Jason. She
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Speaker 1: got into her own vehicle or someone else's vehicle, someone
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Speaker 1: else's vehicle. She was the passenger in the vehicle, but
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Speaker 1: nobody was forcing her to get into it. Do we
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Speaker 1: have any idea what she bought inside the cove and go?
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Speaker 1: I have not been able to find out what she
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Speaker 1: had bought inside the that would be interesting to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but you know, to Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor or, a former felony prosecutor now defense attorney Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, it's little details like that. I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: I just loved finding out every tiny detail about a
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Speaker 1: case I prosecuted or a story, as you well know,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes those details matter. For instance, what if she
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Speaker 1: bought a map? What if I mean, of course you
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Speaker 1: can look up ways or Google map, but what if
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Speaker 1: she bought map? What if she bought gloves and it's
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Speaker 1: hot outside? I mean, what if she bought beer. I
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Speaker 1: don't it matters what you buy. Every detail matters, dear
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Speaker 1: Old Cohen. When somebody goes missing, explain well, Nancy, the
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Speaker 1: more you know, the less you don't know, and you
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Speaker 1: start taking clue by clue, piece by piece and discarding
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Speaker 1: it or saying, well, you know what, as you point out, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: maybe she bought gloves. It was ninety five degrees on
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Speaker 1: that crazy day in December. Why would she do that?
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Speaker 1: Why would she buy a map when she has Google
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Speaker 1: or she has ways. Maybe she didn't want her cell
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Speaker 1: phone to be tracked. There's so many little, tiny things
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Speaker 1: that appear to be nothing that when you put them
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Speaker 1: all together, they are major, and they give you a
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Speaker 1: trail that you can follow to see what happened. Dearyl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: you know you're a tree defense attorney. I'm sorry to
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Speaker 1: say because your first statement, the more you know, the
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Speaker 1: more you don't know, is not exactly what I was
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Speaker 1: looking for. But you know that, said Bethany Marshall joining
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Speaker 1: me psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany, I want
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Speaker 1: you to get your head out of Rodeo's drive, as
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Speaker 1: they call it. Get your head into the real world,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. Of course, no offense to you and your
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Speaker 1: high price clients. Bethany, I found it very interesting what
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Speaker 1: Jason worked from the Ozarks Independent dot Com said that
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Speaker 1: she got into the car of her own volition, that
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Speaker 1: she didn't seemed forced. What does that tell you, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: And this is right here is very important. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: as a psychoanalyst, I am always interested in the behavioral evidence,
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Speaker 1: not just what she might have been been buying in
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Speaker 1: the come and go, but what was the nature of
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Speaker 1: the relationship between the driver of that vehicle and her?
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Speaker 1: And the surveillance did not show that she was forced
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Speaker 1: into the car. So did they have a relationship that
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Speaker 1: began in the come and go? For instance, did they
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Speaker 1: strike up a conversation? Did they decide to go party?
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Speaker 1: And then it would be important if they bought alcohol
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Speaker 1: or tobacco or they being supplies, if there were any
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Speaker 1: such thing in the come and go? Did the driver
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Speaker 1: of this vehicle did they ever get the person's license plate?
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Speaker 1: Was that linked back to any online communication she had
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Speaker 1: with that particular individual? Who were McKenna's friends? Who did
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Speaker 1: she know? Was this person linked to anybody else she knew.
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Speaker 1: This kind of behavioral evidence can be shown not only
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Speaker 1: in what she purchased in the come and go, but
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Speaker 1: how she might have chatted with that person, what her
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Speaker 1: online presence was, if that online presence linked back to
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Speaker 1: that person. And also I would want to know from
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Speaker 1: the parents, you know, how extensive were her friendships in
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Speaker 1: this small town? Did she know? Was she a part
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Speaker 1: of a community one person might know another. I mean
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Speaker 1: maybe the person with whom she entered, who's the vehicle
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Speaker 1: she entered, was a stranger? Well not based on what
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Speaker 1: Jason we'ret's telling me, the person in the car was
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Speaker 1: not a stranger. And because she's seeing like normal, got
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Speaker 1: in the car talking, maybe smiling. But what is bothering
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Speaker 1: me Claude Steiger, among so many things, is that if
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Speaker 1: you could tell, as Jason weren't from Ozark's Independent dot
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Speaker 1: Com says that she got in willingly, she was fine,
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Speaker 1: she was smiling or talking. If you can tell all that,
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Speaker 1: why the hey, can't you tell who was in the car? Well,
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Speaker 1: I would think you might be able to tell who's
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Speaker 1: in the car. You may have there are probably other
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Speaker 1: video of that car before she had the interaction. Maybe
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Speaker 1: the guy got out of it, Did it was he
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Speaker 1: in this store? Yeah? You know, Oh you didn't get
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Speaker 1: out of the car. Well, then you got the car.
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Speaker 1: And Springfield, Missouri is not a huge town. Maybe they
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Speaker 1: talked to her close friends and said, do you know
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Speaker 1: who drives this car? Again, like doctor Bethany said, you'd
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Speaker 1: go through her online presence or Facebook or you know,
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Speaker 1: they didn't have her phone obviously, but all those things.
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Speaker 1: You can get her phone records to see who she
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Speaker 1: even calling, who she's been talking to. Well, I'm still
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Speaker 1: hung up on the fact that even in this day
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Speaker 1: and age, we can't enhance video because that would be
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Speaker 1: a prosecution's best friend. Who was she with last? That
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Speaker 1: is so critical in a case like this. All we
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Speaker 1: know now is that this young nineteen year old teen
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Speaker 1: girl and a small town goes to the come and
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Speaker 1: goes like seven to eleven. She goes in, she comes out,
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Speaker 1: she gets in her car, she drives off, and she's
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Speaker 1: never seen alive again. What happened to McKenna milhaun Just
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Speaker 1: nineteen time stories with Nancy Grace. She was always fun
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Speaker 1: to be around. She was a very very jovial individual.
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Speaker 1: She's my red headed Missouri Mule. But this isn't the
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Speaker 1: only time McKenna had been in the news. She was
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Speaker 1: actually the first baby born in this millennium in Springfield
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Speaker 1: and was featured in the Springfield Newsleader's Millennium Baby's feature
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Speaker 1: on January third, two thousand. She was born in the
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Speaker 1: January first, two thousand, so she and she was the
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Speaker 1: first one, so she was on the prep page of
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Speaker 1: the paper and everything. Mike says, McKenna had a great
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Speaker 1: sense of humor. She's a teenager that was enjoying life
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Speaker 1: with her friends. And that's what's that cut short. She
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Speaker 1: was just a fun loving person that liked people, and
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Speaker 1: people liked her. My other son and her could almost
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Speaker 1: verbat him quote all of the dialogue around the dinner
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Speaker 1: table from the movie, and her Nicknami became a shaken weak. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's funny. You're hearing Mike Milhon talking about his granddaughter,
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Speaker 1: but the context is no laughing matter, because that granddaughter,
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Speaker 1: McKenna Milhon, goes missing after just an innocent trip to
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Speaker 1: the convenience store. You know, that's really troubling. Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall's psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany I learned after the
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Speaker 1: murder of my fiance that life is just going along
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Speaker 1: as normal right as you think what you think normal is.
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Speaker 1: That day, I was finishing in an exam, the last
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Speaker 1: one of the quarter at Mercer University. I finished a
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Speaker 1: statistics exam and walked out. The hallway was dark inside
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Speaker 1: the building, the math building, and I walked out and
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, wow, it is so bright and sunny
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Speaker 1: and beautiful. Had started walking and walked across campus to
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Speaker 1: my job, which was in the library, and I stopped
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Speaker 1: half away at the student union. There were no cell
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Speaker 1: phones and used a pay phone to call the library
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Speaker 1: and tell them I had been in the exam, and
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Speaker 1: I went like fifteen twenty minutes late, and I was
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Speaker 1: coming as fast as I could, and they told me
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Speaker 1: to call Keith's family. And I knew at that moment
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Speaker 1: that Keith was dead and everything had just been completely normal.
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Speaker 1: I saw him just that morning. Everything was fine. And
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Speaker 1: here a nineteen year old girl hops in her car
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Speaker 1: and goes to the gas station that come and go
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Speaker 1: the seven to eleven, and that's it. She's just gone,
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Speaker 1: and the dichotomy of a seemingly normal day just as
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Speaker 1: blown to agbl Alaback. I think that's part of the
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Speaker 1: shock when someone goes missing, Nancy. There is a dichotomy
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Speaker 1: because life is fragile. I mean, I listen to what
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Speaker 1: the family members are saying. They're talking about her personality,
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Speaker 1: her life, her friendships, what she meant to them, and
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Speaker 1: now she is not around and they don't know where
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Speaker 1: she is. And that's how danger happens. Nancy. We don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily see somebody stalking us across the parking lot. We
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Speaker 1: don't really know that somebody could be stalking us online,
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Speaker 1: or maybe an old boyfriend is preoccupied and planning some danger.
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Speaker 1: Mostly danger is outside of awareness. That's why it's so
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Speaker 1: important to be aware of our surroundings, to know about
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Speaker 1: strange for danger, to be careful about our attachment systems,
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Speaker 1: to not put ourselves in vulnerable situations. I know your fiance,
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Speaker 1: Keith did not put himself in a vulnerable situation. I
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Speaker 1: think if I recall he was going to get food
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Speaker 1: for a crew, that he was worked right so right,
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Speaker 1: he was studying. We met at Valdosta State where he
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Speaker 1: was on baseball scholarship. He was studying geology and he
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Speaker 1: had to transfer to complete his degree. And when he transferred,
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Speaker 1: I transferred to a nearby university. My dad wouldn't let
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Speaker 1: me go where he was going because he said it
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Speaker 1: was too big of a university for a little girl
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Speaker 1: from making. He was paying the bill, he and my mom,
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Speaker 1: so I had to go along with that. I sure
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Speaker 1: as didn't have enough money to pay tuition. So that's
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Speaker 1: how the whole thing happened. And he was working on
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Speaker 1: a construction crew that summer and left to go get
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Speaker 1: They were out in the middle of nowhere, a very
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Speaker 1: rural area building I guess, some sort of an industrial complex.
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Speaker 1: So left at lunch time to go get everyone's soft
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Speaker 1: drinks to go with their lunch that they brought. He
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Speaker 1: was pulling back in and it's been mistated many many times,
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Speaker 1: but a guy at least this is what the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: told me back at the time, that had been fired
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Speaker 1: the week before, I believe, was standing there angry. And
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Speaker 1: then the week before Keith had been hired. Keith pulls
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Speaker 1: in and the company truck and the guy just goes
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Speaker 1: berserk starts shooting. He had enough sense to steelcase wallet.
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Speaker 1: I know that much, but that's you're right, he was.
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Speaker 1: I hate to say this close it's so cliche. In
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Speaker 1: the wrong place, at the wrong time, but that is
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened, so he was within the normal scope
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Speaker 1: of his daily activity. Go ahead, Beth. I was just
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Speaker 1: saying that because of that abrupt quality with which we
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Speaker 1: can all be victims, we cannot always forestall danger, right,
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Speaker 1: We cannot always see what's coming, even though we have to.
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Speaker 1: But as much as possible, what I'm saying, as much
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Speaker 1: as possible, we have to be aware of what's going
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Speaker 1: on around us. And I think the best way to
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Speaker 1: be aware is to always just check your surroundings. When
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Speaker 1: you're leaving your car, or you're entering your car, you're
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Speaker 1: in a strange place, you're in a parking lot, if
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Speaker 1: you're working for a company like Keith did, if somebody's
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Speaker 1: been fired or there's some imminent danger, be aware of
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Speaker 1: the stats on workplace shootings one in four workplace shootings,
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Speaker 1: or because somebody has recently been fired, or they experienced
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Speaker 1: that they're not making as much money as somebody else,
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Speaker 1: or there's a power to differential. You can just go
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Speaker 1: online and read about danger and at least fortify yourself
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Speaker 1: with knowledge, so at least you have a little bit
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Speaker 1: of an advantage in life. Joining me, Jason worked from
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Speaker 1: the Ozark's Independent Jason, tell me something. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: the area right now, because obviously the first person you
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Speaker 1: look at is whoever is in that vehicle with her.
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Speaker 1: But what time of the day or night was it?
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Speaker 1: And tell me about the area where the seven to
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Speaker 1: eleven was. Well, the area, I mean, it's a fairly
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Speaker 1: trafficked area, but it was in the middle of the evening.
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Speaker 1: I mean we're talking late at night. She got there,
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Speaker 1: she was actually dropped off there by a friend. And
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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me, Nancy, if you look at the
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Speaker 1: probable cost statements from the Sheriff's office, they described the
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Speaker 1: person she got into the vehicle with as a friend,
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Speaker 1: and so the people connected to her there was that
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Speaker 1: established relationship. So she knew him ahead of time before
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Speaker 1: getting into the vehicle with him. And so I think
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Speaker 1: that's pretty telling that, you know, you talk about somebody
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Speaker 1: just disappears without a trace. This is somebody that she knew,
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Speaker 1: she had established a relationship, but she trusted. She had
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Speaker 1: no idea she might be in danger when she got
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Speaker 1: into that vehicle. Greene County Sheriff Jim Arnott says McKenna
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Speaker 1: Milhon's body was found outside this house earlier today. He
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Speaker 1: says deputies don't think the nineteen year old had a
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Speaker 1: connection with the home. The Springfield Police Department had been
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Speaker 1: investigating her disappearance since she was reported missing. According to
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Speaker 1: the Missouri State Highway Patrols Endangered Person Advisory for her,
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Speaker 1: Milhon was last seen on December twentieth. She was seen
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Speaker 1: getting into a black vehicle at the come and Go
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Speaker 1: at National and Norton in Springfield. Shaff Jim Arnott says
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Speaker 1: right now, authorities don't know what caused her death, but
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Speaker 1: says it is being considered suspicious. Right now, we're investigating
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Speaker 1: it as a homicide, as we do with any suspicious death.
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Speaker 1: We'll work backwards from there and hopefully have some answers
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Speaker 1: here shortly and right now, this house is occupied and
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Speaker 1: we're still conducting an investigation a little early on at
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Speaker 1: this point. If we feel that we need to extend it,
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Speaker 1: we'll extend it. But right now we think we have
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Speaker 1: the scene contained of just this small area. What started
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Speaker 1: as a disappearance ends when this nineteen year old girl,
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Speaker 1: McKenna Milhaun's body is found dead outside the home. This
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Speaker 1: is after she had been missing for ten days, getting
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Speaker 1: into a car at a local convenience store, perfectly happy,
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Speaker 1: everything fine, no sign of distress whatsoever. You're hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at KY three Springfield. That was nicki Ougle speaking
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Speaker 1: What happened? How was the body found? How are people
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Speaker 1: inside the home and they don't know what happened? How
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Speaker 1: did a body end up in their yard? Are they
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Speaker 1: Ozark's Independent dot Com. How was she killed? Do we
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Speaker 1: know the cause of death yet, Jason? And how did
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Speaker 1: this family or whoever lived in that home not know
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Speaker 1: there was a dead body in the yard? Well, what
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Speaker 1: we've been told is there was nobody in the home
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Speaker 1: at the time and the cause of death Nancy was
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Speaker 1: stab wounds to her neck. The report that came in
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Speaker 1: update that. I don't trust anybody else, doctor dupre. Let's
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Speaker 1: talk about a stab wound to the neck. Three stabs
22:37
Speaker 1: to the neck, because you know when that first stab happened,
22:41
Speaker 1: there had to be extensive bleeding. I'm not talking about
22:48
Speaker 1: a trickle of blood. I'm talking about spurting geyser of
22:53
Speaker 1: blood from a stab in the neck. Yes, Nancy, especially
22:58
Speaker 1: if that stab wing hit an artery. Arteries are under
23:01
Speaker 1: pressure and there would be a significant amount of spurting blood.
23:06
Speaker 1: If by chance, it did hit a vein, it would
23:08
Speaker 1: still be a lot of blood, but it wouldn't be
23:10
Speaker 1: spurting quite so much. We know that December twenty, about
23:14
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night, McKenna was seen getting into a
23:17
Speaker 1: black vehicle at the seven eleven there on Norton Road,
23:21
Speaker 1: North Springville. Perfectly good neighborhood, low crime rate, we know
23:27
Speaker 1: also a very unusual, unusual fact, Milhun contacted her mother
23:35
Speaker 1: by phone to say she had been assaulted, raped, and
23:41
Speaker 1: was possibly in Blue Eye or a Lampy. The call
23:45
Speaker 1: disconnected after about four minutes. Now, according to my timeline,
23:52
Speaker 1: that call to her mom was made the next day,
23:57
Speaker 1: December twenty one. To Jason word O Zark's Independent dot com,
24:02
Speaker 1: what do you know about that phone call? Well, to
24:04
Speaker 1: think about the phone call is Lampy and Blue Eye
24:06
Speaker 1: is about sixty five miles away from Springfield, so they
24:11
Speaker 1: were well over an hour hour and a half away
24:13
Speaker 1: from Springfield. And that area is very rural. So if
24:17
Speaker 1: actually had a cell phone signal all to make a
24:19
Speaker 1: four and a half minute call is surprising in and
24:21
Speaker 1: of itself, So I'm not surprised to call dropped and
24:25
Speaker 1: they that was information that really wasn't released to the
24:28
Speaker 1: public until after a restaurma and everything. So we had
24:31
Speaker 1: no idea that had actually taken place. At the point,
24:35
Speaker 1: we just knew she was missing. We didn't have any
24:37
Speaker 1: other information. Being well, why don't get that Chloyd Stiger,
24:40
Speaker 1: you know, thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two years
24:43
Speaker 1: homicide detective and author, Why would police sit on that
24:47
Speaker 1: if we know she's calling from an area Lampy or
24:51
Speaker 1: Blue I sixty five miles away. I mean, why not
24:56
Speaker 1: put it out there that that's where she's last seen.
24:59
Speaker 1: Get the public work. Well, you know, sometimes that's a
25:01
Speaker 1: tough call sometimes whether what's to release and what not
25:04
Speaker 1: to release. You always want to see some things because
25:06
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were in contact with the police or
25:09
Speaker 1: sheriff whoever it is, out in that area and centered
25:12
Speaker 1: their investigation into that neighborhood. But you know, you never know.
25:16
Speaker 1: Sometimes you put stuff out and then you're moving a
25:19
Speaker 1: boy getting like false confessions and stuff from people. If
25:21
Speaker 1: if you have stuff that only the killer knows and
25:26
Speaker 1: then he tells you that and you know he couldn't
25:28
Speaker 1: got anywhere else. Well, Chloyd Steiger, I normally agree with you,
25:31
Speaker 1: but under these exigent circumstances, that would be more interested
25:34
Speaker 1: in finding the girl alive. A nineteen year old girl,
25:38
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, that's just a few years older than
25:40
Speaker 1: my twins that are twelve. And here is a girl
25:43
Speaker 1: and there's something so heartbreaking to me, Doctor Bethany Marshall
25:48
Speaker 1: that she gets raped and she calls her mommy. She
25:52
Speaker 1: calls her mother to tell her what's happened, and then
25:56
Speaker 1: the phone call gets cut off abruptly. Nancy, it is
26:00
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking that was her first call. You know, a
26:03
Speaker 1: lot of women who are assaulted becomes so ashamed and
26:07
Speaker 1: so frightened that they tell no one. But McKenna had
26:11
Speaker 1: the type of trusting, dependent relationship with her mother that
26:17
Speaker 1: that was her first call. I cannot imagine the mother
26:20
Speaker 1: receiving a call like this, the call being broken off,
26:24
Speaker 1: and then the police not wanting to put out like
26:26
Speaker 1: an all point bulletin to find out where she is.
26:29
Speaker 1: I mean the heartbreak and the not knowing, and you
26:33
Speaker 1: know we talk about the body being found in the ditch.
26:36
Speaker 1: When the mother received that call, she did not know
26:39
Speaker 1: that her daughter was going to be murdered. She just
26:42
Speaker 1: was desperate to find her daughter and terrified that her
26:45
Speaker 1: daughter has been raped. Well, maybe I'm not understanding the
26:47
Speaker 1: timeline correctly, but to you, Jason wert Ozar's independent explain
26:52
Speaker 1: to me, she calls her mom to say she's been raped,
26:58
Speaker 1: but then everything just drops, isn't it like two days
27:03
Speaker 1: later before police put out the alert. Well, her mother
27:07
Speaker 1: actually didn't go to the police until the next day,
27:10
Speaker 1: so there was a little bit of time delay between
27:13
Speaker 1: that call Andrew actually going and filing the report with
27:16
Speaker 1: the police. As soon as the police did get that
27:18
Speaker 1: report that that happened, they immediately send something out to
27:21
Speaker 1: the local media with the information of where she had
27:24
Speaker 1: been taken as she was last seeing it to come
27:26
Speaker 1: and go. They did not glue the information about Lampy
27:29
Speaker 1: and what we received at Ozark's independent, but they made
27:33
Speaker 1: it very clear of who they were looking for, the
27:35
Speaker 1: vehicle she was in, and so they released pretty much
27:38
Speaker 1: the information they usually released when someone goes missing. Two.
27:43
Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney, joining us out
27:48
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl, you know, I've worked with
27:52
Speaker 1: Mark Klass for so many years. You know, its daughter
27:55
Speaker 1: Pauli went missing and was actually kidnapped from her own home.
28:00
Speaker 1: She was having a sleepover. He is, you know, the
28:04
Speaker 1: the ultimate, the gold standard and what to do if
28:07
Speaker 1: someone goes missing. But in my mind, this should have
28:10
Speaker 1: been her photo on TV, on radio, on billboards, on
28:14
Speaker 1: if you can't get a billboard, the flyers, and I'm
28:17
Speaker 1: getting the sense that none of that happened in this case, Nancy,
28:20
Speaker 1: the more I hear, the more questions I were. You
28:22
Speaker 1: quit saying that for Pete's sake. More information, more, the
28:26
Speaker 1: more you know, you the more you don't know. The
28:28
Speaker 1: more I know, the more questions I have. You know
28:30
Speaker 1: I'm not a job. Don't try to buddy the water.
28:34
Speaker 1: I may have gone semi dark side, but not completely.
28:38
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. We have a four minute phone call. I
28:41
Speaker 1: was raped. Mom does not report it immediately to the police.
28:45
Speaker 1: What does that tell me? It tells me that McKenna
28:49
Speaker 1: was with somebody that her mom knew, and her mom
28:52
Speaker 1: may have been upset that she was raped according to
28:56
Speaker 1: her daughter, but didn't report it, which means mom is familiar.
29:00
Speaker 1: Year was a person that McKenna was with. That is
29:04
Speaker 1: likely in my view, why she did not report it
29:07
Speaker 1: to the police until she didn't hear back. I got
29:09
Speaker 1: to find out who was in that car. You're absolutely right.
29:12
Speaker 1: But before we go into forensics and the stab wounds
29:16
Speaker 1: and how many stab wounds, let me tell you something.
29:19
Speaker 1: Kenna Milhan was born January one, two thousand, Springfield, and
29:25
Speaker 1: she was a millennial baby for Springfield, the first baby
29:29
Speaker 1: born in two thousand at one eight eight m She
29:34
Speaker 1: graduated from Reid's Spring High School. She went to Ozark
29:38
Speaker 1: Technical College. She was studying to be a nurse. She
29:43
Speaker 1: wanted to become a pediatrician, a baby doctor. According to
29:48
Speaker 1: her family, she had the most beautiful smile that could
29:52
Speaker 1: light up your soul. Mom says she tried to see
29:56
Speaker 1: the best in everyone and never met a stranger. She
30:00
Speaker 1: had a huge heart. She loved animals, loved her brothers.
30:07
Speaker 1: It hurts me to read this young girl's obituary as
30:11
Speaker 1: we try to hash out forensic evidence and video surveillance
30:16
Speaker 1: and wound patterns and timelines. This little girl, mckennah Milhoan
30:23
Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdered. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace looking
30:42
Speaker 1: into the past of Lonnie Williams, who also goes by Leon.
30:47
Speaker 1: He was charged today with first degree murder in the
30:49
Speaker 1: death of McKenna milhan. So a first degree murder is
30:53
Speaker 1: committed when someone knowingly kills another person after deliberation. As
30:57
Speaker 1: we looked at the elements of the offense facts as
31:00
Speaker 1: we know him from the investigation currently, the facts of
31:03
Speaker 1: this kats met those standards. McKenna Milhan's mother reported her
31:07
Speaker 1: daughter missing on December twenty second, two days after receiving
31:11
Speaker 1: a text from McKenna that she had been raped been
31:15
Speaker 1: on Monday, eight days later, her body was found outside
31:19
Speaker 1: a home along Highway H north of Springfield. The investigation
31:24
Speaker 1: led detectives to Lonnie Williams, who they say admitted to
31:28
Speaker 1: being with Milhan in December, but claimed the two had
31:31
Speaker 1: consensual sex before he dropped her off. You are hearing
31:34
Speaker 1: our friends at KY three Springfield. That's Christine Morton. This
31:41
Speaker 1: reminds me so much of the cheerleader in Alabama that
31:46
Speaker 1: was burned alive, and then the claim by the perp
31:52
Speaker 1: who killed another woman in New Orleans, another young woman
31:58
Speaker 1: claimed consensual set Now, how does that always get into it?
32:02
Speaker 1: Why is it always that the victim is somehow blamed
32:06
Speaker 1: that they had sex that is not what happened. Because
32:10
Speaker 1: this little girl calls her mom and says, mom, I've
32:13
Speaker 1: been raped, says after she's been last seated at this
32:17
Speaker 1: convenience store, the call is cut off abruptly. I don't
32:21
Speaker 1: think they lost a signal. I think the call was
32:23
Speaker 1: cut off. Now we hear this guy claiming they had
32:30
Speaker 1: consensual sex. Really, we also know that this guy, Lonnie
32:35
Speaker 1: William's girlfriend, Olivia Vega, is charged with the burning burning
32:41
Speaker 1: clothing Lonnie William's clothes after the crime. Why would he
32:47
Speaker 1: burn his clothes if he didn't do anything wrong? How
32:51
Speaker 1: did this young girl, completely innocent, end up stabbed three
32:54
Speaker 1: times in the neck after a visit to the seven
32:58
Speaker 1: eleven Joy to me right now is a very special
33:02
Speaker 1: guest who alerted me via Facebook to this crime, Rain
33:07
Speaker 1: Marie Davis. She actually dated Lonnie Williams and has a
33:14
Speaker 1: five month old son with the suspect Lonnie Williams. Right first,
33:23
Speaker 1: tell me what led you to contact me on Facebook.
33:26
Speaker 1: I've always, you know, wanted to speak out and be
33:29
Speaker 1: a voice for young girls who are have been sexually
33:33
Speaker 1: abused in things like that, you know, and knowing this
33:38
Speaker 1: person that I thought I knew, you know, it just
33:41
Speaker 1: gave me hopes that I could at least, you know,
33:45
Speaker 1: speak out on that you don't really know a person fully,
33:50
Speaker 1: whether you think you know that person or not, and
33:53
Speaker 1: meeting people on the Internet and things of that nature.
33:56
Speaker 1: It's just not so good because this is the outcome
34:01
Speaker 1: of things like that. You know. Tell me what you
34:04
Speaker 1: know about this case, Rain, I kind of have learned
34:08
Speaker 1: a lot of details about Lonnie from this case. You know,
34:15
Speaker 1: I talked to him after he was charged with the murder.
34:19
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was. You know, at first
34:22
Speaker 1: he was in jail on a probation violation. I was like, okay,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So we were talking, and you know,
34:29
Speaker 1: whenever they had linked him to this murder, he called
34:34
Speaker 1: me on the phone that day and was like, I'm
34:36
Speaker 1: being charged with murder. And I was like, what do
34:38
Speaker 1: you mean. You know, wrong place, wrong time, type of
34:41
Speaker 1: situation or what. And he was like, no, I was
34:45
Speaker 1: drugged by somebody, you know, things like that and whit
34:50
Speaker 1: whit white, white white. So he says he Lonnie Williams
34:55
Speaker 1: was drugged. He's claiming he was drugged. But he told
34:58
Speaker 1: me two different stories in the same sentence. One was
35:01
Speaker 1: someone slipped something in his drink. In the next one
35:04
Speaker 1: was someone shot drugs into his arm. But you wouldn't
35:08
Speaker 1: remember that, you know what I'm saying. Actually, what he
35:11
Speaker 1: first told police is that he picked her up and
35:15
Speaker 1: that they drove around for a while, and that he
35:20
Speaker 1: stopped to have sex with this young girl in an
35:22
Speaker 1: alleyway before dropping her off at Atlantic in Maine at
35:27
Speaker 1: one a m and that was his last contact with her.
35:33
Speaker 1: That's what he first told police. And you know, to
35:38
Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two years,
35:41
Speaker 1: homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant at
35:46
Speaker 1: Kloyd Steiger dot com, Cloyd, I have prosecuted. And you know,
35:51
Speaker 1: Gerald Cohen, for all I know, you were a defense
35:53
Speaker 1: lawyer on some of these where you get a witness
35:56
Speaker 1: and they are in the car, let's just say, and
36:00
Speaker 1: they're doing a robbery, and then their testimony goes and
36:04
Speaker 1: then I looked out the window and bam. Why is
36:08
Speaker 1: it that they always look the other way just at
36:11
Speaker 1: the time of the homicide? And in this case, Lonnie
36:14
Speaker 1: Williams thirty two years old out with a nineteen year
36:18
Speaker 1: old girl says, uh, the night she's killed. Oh, I
36:22
Speaker 1: pulled over and had consensual sex with her in an
36:25
Speaker 1: alley in a car, and then I dropped her off.
36:29
Speaker 1: What a coinkie dank. Then she's killed. Yeah, you know
36:34
Speaker 1: these guys, Yeah, well, these guys they know that, he said.
36:38
Speaker 1: They're thinking they're going to find my DNA on her
36:41
Speaker 1: and I have to think of a reason why it's there.
36:43
Speaker 1: And so he comes up with this ridiculous story. But
36:46
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, having someone tell a ridiculous story
36:50
Speaker 1: that could be easily disproved, such as the statements he
36:53
Speaker 1: made to miss ring Marie there that that is as
36:59
Speaker 1: good as confession. When it's so ridiculous, you know, you
37:01
Speaker 1: just say, here you go with that one. Now you're
37:03
Speaker 1: you're locked into a story. You can't change it later.
37:06
Speaker 1: This is what you gotta go with. And I'm sure
37:09
Speaker 1: that people like mister Cohens hate it when their clients
37:13
Speaker 1: wrap themselves up like that. Again, give themselves no ouse.
37:16
Speaker 1: But that's what he was thinking. How am I going
37:18
Speaker 1: to explain that being there when they find the body
37:20
Speaker 1: if they find the body, and they certainly would because
37:22
Speaker 1: he didn't do a rather job of covering up. It
37:24
Speaker 1: sounds like, so this guy gives multiple statements, multiple statements.
37:30
Speaker 1: But take a listen to our friends at KO l
37:33
Speaker 1: R ten. This is Jesse Edman. Thirty two year old
37:37
Speaker 1: Lonnie Williams is charged with first degree murder and armed
37:41
Speaker 1: criminal action. He's accused of stabbing Milhan multiple times and
37:45
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, twenty three year old Olivia Vega. She is
37:49
Speaker 1: charged with evidence tampering after allegedly burning William's bloody clothes
37:54
Speaker 1: and hiding the knife used to kill Milhan. Now we
37:57
Speaker 1: know that on December twenty second, Milhan was ported missing
38:00
Speaker 1: by her mother, and on Monday, December thirtieth, her body
38:04
Speaker 1: was found north of Springfield after a tip was received
38:07
Speaker 1: by police. Now, initially, Williams told deputies that he had
38:11
Speaker 1: no involvement in her death after picking her up from
38:13
Speaker 1: Come and Go on North Kansas Expressway in Norton Road,
38:17
Speaker 1: but investigators interviewed Williams again and he confessed to killing McKenna. Now,
38:22
Speaker 1: Williams is accused of stabbing mil Han to death after
38:25
Speaker 1: picking her up at the gas station on December nineteenth,
38:28
Speaker 1: and according to the probable cause statement, Williams confessed to
38:32
Speaker 1: driving around with mil Han, then stabbing her in the
38:34
Speaker 1: neck inside the vehicle, and then stabbing her three or
38:37
Speaker 1: four more times outside of the vehicle. Wow, okay, there's
38:40
Speaker 1: another version of what happened to doctor Michel du Pre
38:44
Speaker 1: South Carolina Medical Exam and her author, Homicide Investigation Field
38:47
Speaker 1: Guide Dargor Dpre. You know why he came up with
38:50
Speaker 1: that consensual sex story in an alley. Part of that's
38:53
Speaker 1: probably true. They probably were in an alley when he
38:55
Speaker 1: killed her, because he knew he raped her, and he
38:58
Speaker 1: knew that there's DNA evidence that there's gonna be sperm.
39:02
Speaker 1: How long can sperm reveal DNA evidence inside a body?
39:08
Speaker 1: I know, I think I know after about seventy six hours.
39:11
Speaker 1: First the head of the sperm breaks off, then the
39:14
Speaker 1: tail breaks off. Then you've got just the body part.
39:18
Speaker 1: Let's just pretend the torso of the sperm and zoa
39:21
Speaker 1: still there, but you can still get DNA from And
39:25
Speaker 1: how long will sperm last inside a body, regardless of
39:29
Speaker 1: the elements around the body? Nancy, You're absolutely right. It's
39:32
Speaker 1: approximately seventy two hours, and that was a wonderful rendition
39:36
Speaker 1: of what happened. But I think I want to hear
39:37
Speaker 1: it from you. You're the MD. I'm just a JD.
39:40
Speaker 1: You tell it. So it is about seventy two hours
39:42
Speaker 1: that we can actually get viable DNA from sperm that
39:46
Speaker 1: is found inside a body. How do you do it?
39:48
Speaker 1: How do you get the DNA from sperm? And what's
39:53
Speaker 1: the difference in semen and sperm. I've always wanted to
39:55
Speaker 1: know that, but didn't know who to ask. Is a
39:58
Speaker 1: lot of sperm together. UM sperm is the usually the
40:02
Speaker 1: individual um sperm that actually Jackie wanted to know, and
40:08
Speaker 1: so as she put me up to asking, Okay, now,
40:10
Speaker 1: so how do you extract DNA from the um. We
40:13
Speaker 1: do UM A DNA tests. We can do UM many
40:17
Speaker 1: different ways. Typically we will do swabs um of the
40:20
Speaker 1: vaginal area or whoever we think the sperm might be
40:22
Speaker 1: UM and then we actually run that through UM for
40:25
Speaker 1: DNA UM and see if we can get a match
40:27
Speaker 1: to someone in coodus or not. So to rain Marie Davis,
40:32
Speaker 1: who actually has a son with the alleged part. Lonnie Williams,
40:37
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about this guy Lonnie Williams? Um? Well,
40:42
Speaker 1: you know, from what I knew of him, he had
40:45
Speaker 1: some behaviors that were, you know, kind of sketchy, you know,
40:49
Speaker 1: make you wonder. I mean, he never was violent towards me.
40:53
Speaker 1: We always, you know, we got along real good. Everything
40:56
Speaker 1: was good between them. He didn't seem like that kind
41:00
Speaker 1: of person to me anyways, you know what I mean.
41:04
Speaker 1: And but no I don't, I don't tell me what
41:07
Speaker 1: you mean by that, Like, he never showed no aggression
41:10
Speaker 1: towards me. It was never, you know, he was real
41:14
Speaker 1: hands on with I have two little girls too. He
41:16
Speaker 1: was around my kids, you know, he was real good
41:19
Speaker 1: with my kids. He seemed to be a decent person
41:25
Speaker 1: from what I thought, I knew all. What was he doing?
41:27
Speaker 1: I mean, even by his account having sex with a
41:30
Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl in a car in an alleyway, Well,
41:33
Speaker 1: you have the baby. How'd that happened? I mean, that's
41:36
Speaker 1: a big red fly to me. But that's just me. Yeah,
41:39
Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea about any of that. You know,
41:44
Speaker 1: he hasn't really been there much for my child, and
41:48
Speaker 1: I'm only finding out that he's got like three other
41:51
Speaker 1: kids that were born a month apart from mine, like
41:55
Speaker 1: a kid born in August, mind September, one in October.
42:01
Speaker 1: All of these things that are coming out about him
42:03
Speaker 1: aren't just pointing him to being a woman I easier
42:07
Speaker 1: type of guy who uses women to his ability, you
42:11
Speaker 1: know what. I know. That's got to hurt so badly
42:15
Speaker 1: to go through having a child, which is hard enough. Oh,
42:19
Speaker 1: now you're supporting the baby five months old, a little boy,
42:23
Speaker 1: all by yourself, and you find out not only is
42:26
Speaker 1: he charged with murder, but he's had all these other children.
42:30
Speaker 1: These are the ones you know of. You know, I
42:32
Speaker 1: got to go to a shrink. Doctor Bethany Marshall at
42:35
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. This is making my head hurt.
42:38
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Not only did rain Marie Davis,
42:44
Speaker 1: who contacted us via Facebook about this case, get taken
42:48
Speaker 1: in by this guy? She knows of three other women
42:51
Speaker 1: did that did? But what about this other girl girlfriend?
42:55
Speaker 1: And quotes Olivia Vega just twenty three charge with tampering
43:01
Speaker 1: with evidence. I mean, probably was a normal person then
43:04
Speaker 1: get sucked in by this guy. I'm looking at him.
43:07
Speaker 1: He's not all that. He's not all that at all.
43:10
Speaker 1: He ain't that in a bag of chips. I can
43:12
Speaker 1: tell you that much. He's you know, okay looking. But
43:15
Speaker 1: I mean, why how can't a man be a Svengali
43:20
Speaker 1: or woman? But I always see cases with men and
43:23
Speaker 1: get women to do all sorts of things they wouldn't
43:26
Speaker 1: normally do. Nancy, I did the same thing you did.
43:28
Speaker 1: I looked at his bug shot and I kept thinking,
43:31
Speaker 1: who is this man? He's only thirty two years old.
43:34
Speaker 1: These women are being taken in by him. He is
43:37
Speaker 1: not all that, He's just oh you know who he
43:40
Speaker 1: looks like he looks a little bit like Jesse Smolette. Yes,
43:43
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit, except I think probably
43:46
Speaker 1: a little bit more handsome, because Smilette is handsome to
43:49
Speaker 1: some people. Now that I know he's pulled a big scam,
43:52
Speaker 1: I don't find him handsome at all, but I understand
43:55
Speaker 1: what other people seen him. I felt the same way
43:57
Speaker 1: about Scott Peterson. Everybody said, oh he's so handsome. I
44:00
Speaker 1: never thought he'd looked good ever anyway, But back back
44:04
Speaker 1: to this guy. Let me get off Scott Peterson and
44:06
Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett and who have nothing to do with this. Hey,
44:09
Speaker 1: for those of you listening, this is what happens at
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Speaker 1: the lunch table when you're in the DA's office. We
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Speaker 1: talk about all the weird, sometimes up two, sometimes unconnect
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Speaker 1: disconnected facts about a case. What the point is doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's okay, but he's not all that. How
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Speaker 1: is he getting all these women under his spell? Then
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Speaker 1: he's got one nineteen year old girl dead after he
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Speaker 1: raped her, And now this perfectly attractive young girl, Olivia Vega,
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Speaker 1: is implicated in murder Nancy. You know Robert Hare, he's
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Speaker 1: a leading researcher in sociopathy. He has a twenty point checklist,
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Speaker 1: the Hair twenty point Psychopathy Checklist. You can google it
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Speaker 1: us on the internet. It's used in forensic settings. It's
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Speaker 1: twenty characteristics of a sociopath. If anyone else there is
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Speaker 1: curious about, I'm doing it right now. I want to
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Speaker 1: make sure my husband David is twenty characteristics of a sociopath.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, okay, keep going okay. So one of the
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Speaker 1: characteristics is promiscuity. They often have multiple relationships. Why do
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Speaker 1: they have a picture of Daryl Cohen here? Okay, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: twenty characterists, Jess kidding, go ahead, lying, twenty characterists. Manipulative
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Speaker 1: psychopathy is what he how he has it? Twenty point
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Speaker 1: checklist psychopathy. So the lying looking at it right now,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. The Hair Psychopathy checklist. Twenty most common
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Speaker 1: traits of a psychopath. You need to make sure. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so what about this guy do you think fits in
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Speaker 1: with these traits? And just a point for the listeners,
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Speaker 1: make sure you go to his original list because there's
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Speaker 1: many people who have made over the list and written
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Speaker 1: articles about it. Go to his list. It is based
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Speaker 1: on robust research, but it describes this purpose to a tea.
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Speaker 1: First of all, they always they never follow the conditions
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Speaker 1: of parole. So remember he was brought in on a
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Speaker 1: probation violation drug and alcohol abuse. To remember, he says
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Speaker 1: he was drugged, and there are all the stories about drugs,
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Speaker 1: Lyon conning, manipulativeness of promises. Why in order to get
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Speaker 1: your own way, never say you're sorry. Charming and persuasive,
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Speaker 1: that's one that may touch on why women fall for him.
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Speaker 1: And the two characteristics that always stand out to me
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Speaker 1: one is or three poor behavioral controls. So that's why
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Speaker 1: they could rape and kill that they have a thin
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Speaker 1: veneer of affability, but when somebody disagrees with them, that
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Speaker 1: veneer snaps and it covers up a cold, calculated interior.
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Speaker 1: That's how we got all these women. He's probably charming
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Speaker 1: and social and promises them everything, but the minute they disagreed,
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Speaker 1: he snaps. And I think that one of the other ones,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is parasitic lifestyle. They're parasites. They leech off other people.
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Speaker 1: He has all these babies, but as Rain says, he
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Speaker 1: doesn't even come to the city's own son. I doubt
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Speaker 1: he's paying child support. I doubt he's paying child support
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Speaker 1: for all these other children he's fathered. So that's the
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Speaker 1: parasitic lifestyle. So and also Hair talked about the mask
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Speaker 1: of sanity, that these guys know that they're different from
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Speaker 1: other people in society, so they put on what he
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Speaker 1: calls the mask of sanity, meaning they pretend to be
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Speaker 1: normal even though they're not. And that's why Rain got
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Speaker 1: taken in. He acts normal even though he's not normal.
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Speaker 1: To Jason, weren't Ozark's independent dot com? Jason, where does
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Speaker 1: the case stand now? And what about this so called girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: Olivia Vega well Ray now and everything? Spending trials are
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Speaker 1: going to be going to court in March. They're still
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Speaker 1: trying to determine whether they're going to go for the
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Speaker 1: death penalty in this case or not. And you know,
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Speaker 1: nance the interesting thing about this is you'll talk about
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Speaker 1: the fact that he's spitting all these tales. The thing
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Speaker 1: that jumps out most of all in his statements to
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Speaker 1: police is he claims he was going north on State
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Speaker 1: Highway H and that he pulled off the road to
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Speaker 1: relieve himself. Nancy, they were less than a mile away
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Speaker 1: from a come and go, So if that was a concern,
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Speaker 1: he would have stopped at the come and go that
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Speaker 1: he would not have pulled off the road where he did,
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Speaker 1: and where he pulled off was a very public location.
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Speaker 1: So it's a situation where he's very clearly lying in
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Speaker 1: his statement, and so I would not be surprised if
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Speaker 1: they go for the death penalty. Well, I mean, with
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Speaker 1: the criminal history and stabbing a young girl three times
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Speaker 1: in the neck after raping her, you know what, if
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have the death penalty, and I'm not getting
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Speaker 1: into a death penalty argument, but if we are going
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Speaker 1: to have it, this guy, Lonnie Leon Williams is the
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Speaker 1: perfect candidate and number one, I'd get Olivia Vega to
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Speaker 1: turn state sevenants and make that case to Rain Marie Davis.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Rain for speaking out. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, Goodbye friend,