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RHOP: Sittin’ Pretty with Gizelle “Kobe” Bryant · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: I'm just speaking my truth.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I'm not ghost producing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not doing any of that. I'm speaking my truth.
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  Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get into my conversation with real house Blots of
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  Speaker 4: Atomac star Giselle Bryant right after these quick ass hey,
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  Speaker 4: rain drop, Yet we got the Queen of a Atomac baby,
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  Speaker 4: Giselle Bryant on today's podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all, I'm getting these exclusive interviews, honey.
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  Speaker 4: I am so excited to share with you all my
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  Speaker 4: conversation with Giselle. We get into ever everything, Candice, Chris Bassett,
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  Speaker 4: Robin the Grand Dam charies, how people say that Gizelle
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  Speaker 4: is the ghost producer of the show. We talk about
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  Speaker 4: Jamal Bryant, admiration for each other. Yes, I love Gazelle
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  Speaker 4: and Gazelle loves me. Do you want to know why?
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  Speaker 4: Will let me stop talking, honey and get into my
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  Speaker 4: exclusive interview with Giselle Kobe Bryant.
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  Speaker 3: Oh lord jesus.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just say I have been waiting on this conversation. No,
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  Speaker 4: this is not an interview, y'all. This is a conversation.
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  Speaker 4: I have been waiting for this conversation since.
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  Speaker 3: I launched the podcast, because.
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  Speaker 4: This woman has made it on my top ten of
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  Speaker 4: the Greatest Housewives of all time out of one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty people. And what's so crazy is she is
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  Speaker 4: the only person that made it on my list whose
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  Speaker 4: show was the most recent.
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  Speaker 3: So that goes to show you the packed this lady has.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm talking.
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  Speaker 4: About the one y'all loved and the one y'all love
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  Speaker 4: to hate.
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  Speaker 3: Giselle Kobe Brode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, First and foremost, Carlos, Let's
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  Speaker 2: let's keep it.
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  Speaker 1: Cute, okay, because.
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  Speaker 2: The last time we had an interview slash conversation, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was getting calls from Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: Like why you say that? And why you say this
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  Speaker 1: and why you say that? So I'm trying to keep
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  Speaker 1: my good job, okay.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I'm just say, did I get you
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  Speaker 4: in trouble? Okay? You did?
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  Speaker 2: Of course you did. Okay, But it's okay. It's okay
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  Speaker 2: because just she used to say, Coochy.
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  Speaker 3: Bryant, Okay, you better own it, says Listen.
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  Speaker 4: I just know that when it comes to you and I,
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  Speaker 4: you remind me of the girls I went to middle
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  Speaker 4: school and high school with.
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  Speaker 1: Is that good?
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  Speaker 4: Of bad.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's very good. It's very good.
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  Speaker 4: So so in high school, you know, they had the
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  Speaker 4: mock ellection.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was voted I liked.
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  Speaker 4: Because people like me despite what you read. Uh, I
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  Speaker 4: like you, I like you, I love well, I love you, babe.
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  Speaker 4: And I was voted class gossipers because women like yourself,
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  Speaker 4: like these beautiful girls I went to school with, they
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  Speaker 4: would just keep key with me, and I would always
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  Speaker 4: be like, what is it about me?
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  Speaker 3: To where all these women would get.
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  Speaker 4: In trouble by the man the teacher once they talked
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  Speaker 4: to Carlos King.
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  Speaker 3: So I apologize Joselle forgetting you at trouble. That's not
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  Speaker 3: my attention, child.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay. I can take it. I can
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  Speaker 1: take it.
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  Speaker 4: So, guys, as you all know, the Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 4: Potomac is my number one favorite franchise and one thing
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  Speaker 4: I always tell my listeners because you know, they like
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  Speaker 4: to pick things apart and think it shady. Just because
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  Speaker 4: I said the number one doesn't mean I'm shading other shows.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's okay to get.
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  Speaker 4: Someone compliment without y'all taking it as if I'm dissing somebody.
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  Speaker 4: The Real Housewives of Potomac is my favorite housewife show
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  Speaker 4: right now, and a lot of it has.
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  Speaker 3: To do with Giselle Kobe Bryant.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, I'm gonna keep calling her that because she
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  Speaker 4: is the greatest housewife of all.
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  Speaker 3: Time on Potomac.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry not sorry, but Giselle, where were you when you
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  Speaker 4: found out you made my top ten list?
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  Speaker 1: I was home. I was home.
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  Speaker 2: It's so crazy that I that I know that I
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  Speaker 2: was home and I was just in the bed and
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  Speaker 2: I was like scrolling through a little Instagram and I.
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  Speaker 1: Saw it and I was like, hold up, what happened?
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  Speaker 2: People kept sending me clips for me to listen to,
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  Speaker 2: so I listened to the whole thing and I.
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  Speaker 1: Was like, oh, that is so sweet, thank you. And
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I have something to say. So we
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  Speaker 1: were at Bravo Khan and by the way, Carlos, you
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  Speaker 1: were not there. No, And.
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  Speaker 2: There was a Potomac panel Okay, so it's like all
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  Speaker 2: the Potomac ladies are were being interviewed by I believe
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  Speaker 2: the young lady's.
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  Speaker 3: Name is Jia Pepper's and yes, she's.
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  Speaker 1: Super sweet, and the room is like three thousand packs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we was like, stay in the room only.
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  Speaker 1: So at the end it was time for question and answers.
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  Speaker 2: And a guy gets up and he was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I just want y'all to know that a queen is
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  Speaker 2: higher than a grand dome and.
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  Speaker 1: The queen is Giselle Kobe.
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  Speaker 2: And I I said, look at this man listening to
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  Speaker 2: Carlos King. I said, Carlos King, get maade Bravo cod.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, this fight, I get it. Invited to Bravo, Cod.
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  Speaker 3: I still somehow was there. It's spirit and that goes
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  Speaker 3: to show you the impact of me. No, I'm teasing you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what One thing I heard through.
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  Speaker 4: A mutual friend of ours is you listened to that
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  Speaker 4: particular episode of my podcast and when I gave my
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  Speaker 4: five to ten minute dissertation of Giselle Kobe Bryant, I was,
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  Speaker 4: oh that you are so surprised by my breakdown, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe you ask someone like, how does he know
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  Speaker 4: all of that?
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  Speaker 3: Did y'all tell him this about me?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: What? What surprised you about my breakdown?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, I want to say Carlos like
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  Speaker 2: thank you, Like I know that A you're a hard critic.
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  Speaker 1: B you have worked with most housewives that are you know,
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  Speaker 1: name worthy, the Nianis, the Bethanie.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know these ladies, And for you to
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  Speaker 2: put me in that kind of category is is you know,
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  Speaker 2: I truly truly appreciate it because I know that if
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  Speaker 2: you really did not mean it, my name and I
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  Speaker 2: have been mentioned. Okay, I'm clear on that.
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  Speaker 1: So I do appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's nice to know that somebody sees you and
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  Speaker 2: sees the work that you do and appreciates it. So
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And but another thing I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm going off tangent. After he called me
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  Speaker 2: Jazelle quote me Bryant at Bravo con.
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  Speaker 1: He said, you know, like, what what's your chiropractice name? Becaus?
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  Speaker 2: You can carry this thing on your back, honey, I
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  Speaker 2: know your back hearts right, And that's really sweet. But
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  Speaker 2: I do always say, you know, like we are a team.
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  Speaker 2: We do work together. There's no I in team, and
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  Speaker 2: some work harder than others. But I appreciate the ladies
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  Speaker 2: that I'm on.
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  Speaker 4: This show with no and I've had conversations with some
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  Speaker 4: of the ladies, Candace being most recent. And one thing
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  Speaker 4: I asked candas I said, is there a conversation that
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  Speaker 4: all of you have no about We have to be
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  Speaker 4: the best, And she was like, nah, she said, it's
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  Speaker 4: never been an official conversation, but we all do feel
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  Speaker 4: like we want to be number one. But I want
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  Speaker 4: to go back to you. You have always, based on
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  Speaker 4: the pictures I've seen, your yearbook photos or college photos,
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  Speaker 4: you have always been this strikingly beautiful woman. I mean
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  Speaker 4: I met you in person, and we'll get.
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  Speaker 3: Into that later.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, Gazelle is top three of the most beautiful women
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  Speaker 4: on Bravo. She is gorgeous. She's more pretty in person
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  Speaker 4: than on television. I mean, you're a batty on TV
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  Speaker 4: two girl, But in person, she had on no makeup,
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  Speaker 4: her hair was in a bun.
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  Speaker 3: We were in her bedroom.
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  Speaker 4: She wasn't uncomfortable with me like Chris, so that's that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Shade, no shape.
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  Speaker 4: It was me, Giselle, Robin and not that she's been announced.
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  Speaker 3: Charisse was there as well, and Gazelle is funny.
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  Speaker 4: We had a good hour long conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I have to be peeled away from that.
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  Speaker 4: But going back to you, did you always know that
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  Speaker 4: you were a star?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, not at all. I knew that I was
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  Speaker 2: was viewed as a very pretty girl and then.
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  Speaker 1: A beautiful young lady.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that because, you know, when I was very young,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I talked about this before, women would
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  Speaker 2: come up to my mother and ask her why she
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  Speaker 2: put makeup on me, and my mother would be like, no, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: she beautiful, like she is a makeup free I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand why you ask me these questions.
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  Speaker 1: And that was very strange to me.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I got older, people always just you know,
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  Speaker 2: commented that I was very pretty, and that's very nice.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I always give credit to my parents.
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  Speaker 2: I think my parents are super attractive people and they
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  Speaker 2: created me.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I never took that in as like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm the bomb because I'm beautiful, because
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  Speaker 1: it didn't have anything to do with me.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you want to talk about my brains, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to talk about you know, my personality and
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  Speaker 2: everything else, well that's me as.
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  Speaker 1: Far as the star is concerned. No, I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 1: just just.
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  Speaker 4: A not even as the first lady, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm very spiritual. I'm black, so we all grew up
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  Speaker 4: in a black church, and the first lady is the
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  Speaker 4: queen of the church, like you bowed.
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  Speaker 3: Down to the first lady.
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  Speaker 4: So even as the first lady of the church and
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  Speaker 4: being as beautiful as you are, did were.
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  Speaker 3: You treated like you were famous?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? But I took that as all first ladies are.
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  Speaker 2: All first ladies are revered and treated special and given accommodations.
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  Speaker 1: And all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't take that as, oh my gosh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a star because I'm a first lady and all these
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  Speaker 2: people are bowing down, Like no, I'm being called first
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  Speaker 2: lady because of who I'm married, Like he's the star.
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  Speaker 3: Not me.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, a first lady role though it sounds cute,
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  Speaker 2: but it's really a backseat.
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  Speaker 1: Role to the man that you married. M So it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Until like I, it wasn't until kind of like now
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  Speaker 2: that I've been able to be on this show, build
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  Speaker 2: my brand, start some business, is you know, hold my
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  Speaker 2: own period, just my own without a man that I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, Wow, Okay, she's the shit, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: She is, and that you are. How did you become
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  Speaker 3: a housewife?
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  Speaker 4: Because again, you were always beautiful, you were always smart,
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  Speaker 4: You went to Hanton University, you are an aka severrity sister,
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  Speaker 4: and after you divorced Jamal Bryant and you were a
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  Speaker 4: single mom, what made you say yes to being on
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  Speaker 4: television if that wasn't the path that you want in
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  Speaker 4: your life?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they asked me, And to be quite honest, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, I wasn't really doing much
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  Speaker 2: at the time. I was just raising my kids and being,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my beautiful self. I was like, sure, when
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  Speaker 2: would this opportunity ever come again? I have nothing to lose,
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  Speaker 2: I have everything to gain. I talked to my kids
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  Speaker 2: about it, who were very young at the time, but
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  Speaker 2: I talked to him. I was like, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: do you feel about mommy being on TV? And they
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  Speaker 2: was like yay, So I got their approval. I talked
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  Speaker 2: to Jamal about it. He and his concerns were, I
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  Speaker 2: know you're funny, I know you're cool, but you're beautiful
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  Speaker 2: and that is perceived differently, so you might not like
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  Speaker 2: so your funniness and your coolness might not come through
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  Speaker 2: and people are going to hate you. So I understood
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  Speaker 2: that and I told him. I was like, yo, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just gonna be me and people people who like me,
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  Speaker 2: they're like me.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't you don't.
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  Speaker 4: When I first saw you on that show, I instantly
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  Speaker 4: was drawn to you, and Jamal is right, you're you're
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  Speaker 4: a very beautiful one man. We saw that, and I
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  Speaker 4: remember talking to my friends, like, how interesting is it
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  Speaker 4: that she's beautiful but she's.
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  Speaker 3: Also funny and she she's likable.
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  Speaker 4: And I really knew that from the first episode when
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  Speaker 4: you and the Dom got into it on the crab Ball, right,
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  Speaker 4: I knew that there was something special on the horizon now.
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  Speaker 4: I knew that you were the star of the show then,
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  Speaker 4: and clearly you're still the star of the show now.
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  Speaker 4: But first season, I thought the first season wasn't that great.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why I thought the first season wasn't
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  Speaker 4: that great is because I thought the focus was too
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  Speaker 4: much on this whole etiquette thing. And as a black person,
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  Speaker 4: as a producer, as a I told you, as a
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  Speaker 4: man who grew up with women in high school and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, there's much more to these ladies than that.
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  Speaker 4: Now that you are considered the unofficial executive producer of Potomac,
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  Speaker 4: when you look back on season one, do you think
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  Speaker 4: season one was great? And were you surprised to get
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  Speaker 4: a second season?
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  Speaker 2: No, it was not surprised to get a second season.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to say this, I probably have never
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  Speaker 2: said this publicly. When we were filming season one, felt it.
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  Speaker 2: You know how you feel like something is special and
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  Speaker 2: you feel like something is good. I felt it, and
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  Speaker 2: I felt the chemistry with Karen with Ashley. Robin was
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  Speaker 2: always my girl, so that of course I had chemistry
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  Speaker 2: with Robin with Jeriz, like, I just felt like, this
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  Speaker 2: is something special. Now, we were talking about etiquette, and
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about things I didn't want, didn't nobody
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  Speaker 2: care about.
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  Speaker 1: But I just knew that.
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  Speaker 2: We were different and people just needed to understand that
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  Speaker 2: we were different than what they were seeing as far
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  Speaker 2: as black women were concerned on television, and we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about different things, and I just I just looked
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  Speaker 2: by no means that I was like shocked that we
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  Speaker 2: got a second season.
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  Speaker 3: Did you like the first season?
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  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Carls, I don't remember it,
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  Speaker 2: but I do remember that it needed. It was a
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  Speaker 2: good intro, like it was like the network was trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out about what direction to take us, right,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't us like we were we were the same,
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  Speaker 2: but we're the same girls.
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  Speaker 1: But except Karen. You know, she's she's more grond these days.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it was a network thing, not a
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  Speaker 2: Potomac Ladies thing.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's no shape to the network. Listen,
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  Speaker 4: we we we You're talking to an experienced reality producer,
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  Speaker 4: So I understand what you mean when.
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  Speaker 3: You say that. My belief is this.
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  Speaker 4: When this show first came on, it was, how can
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  Speaker 4: we differentiate this from Atlanta Housewives. Let's just call it
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  Speaker 4: a spade of spade y. Atlanta Housewise is the first
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  Speaker 4: Black housewives franchise, and then Potomac is the second, and
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  Speaker 4: I think the intention going in was how can we
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  Speaker 4: differentiate this from Atlanta? And that's why I said first season,
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  Speaker 4: I felt like what you said. I was drawn to
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  Speaker 4: you more than anybody on the show. And then secondly
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  Speaker 4: I felt that, Okay, they deserve another chance because I
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  Speaker 4: don't believe. I don't believe any show should get canceled
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  Speaker 4: after the first season. I think the first season is
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  Speaker 4: your introduction to the world. And then, baby, when season
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  Speaker 4: two happened and you walked to ben Monique's house and
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  Speaker 4: you and your bff who I love, who's also a
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Libra like me, y'all, were so.
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  Speaker 3: Messy, and I remember.
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  Speaker 4: Contacting one of the producers because she gave me some
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  Speaker 4: sneak peaks of like the first three episodes. Ye, and
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  Speaker 4: I said, bitch, this season is at the rething and
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  Speaker 4: I felt that something clicked in your head. And I
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  Speaker 4: think season two is when the ghost producing the executive
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  Speaker 4: producer Giselle was birth.
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  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 2: Probably believe so, because yet the if anybody that you
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  Speaker 2: know that has worked with me from a producer perspective,
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  Speaker 2: they will tell you a Gazelle listens and you know
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  Speaker 2: she takes notes. I don't think that the producers are
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  Speaker 2: my enemy. I feel like we have a working relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Are they gonna throw.
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  Speaker 2: Me under the bus at some point, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: it's a working relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So season one I was just learning.
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  Speaker 2: Season two, I was like, I'm off to the racist
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  Speaker 2: bitch me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, no, it was It made me fall in love
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  Speaker 4: with the show even more, and I was like, this
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  Speaker 4: show is really, really, really good, and now it's the
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  Speaker 4: best franchise to me because I feel like everyone clocks
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  Speaker 4: in and works.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing.
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  Speaker 4: That people have said about Gazelle is who is the
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  Speaker 4: face of the show, and a lot of people feel
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  Speaker 4: like it's between you and Karen.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to you and Karen, this is
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: my belief and I.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Would love for you to either dispel this or agree
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: with this. I feel like you and Karen are in
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: on the joke. I don't think you and Karen care
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: about who's in the center. I don't think you and
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Karen care about who's the star of the show. I
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: think you and Karen care about what can she and
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I do collectively to make this show number one.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And although you.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Two have your own fan basis, I think you and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Karen leave set have a good key key and y'all
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: don't take anything personally.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Karen was not always that way. Karen
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: had to get there. Karen got there.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I've never cared from day one, Like I don't care
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: what he's told to say about me. I don't care
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: at all. Like Karen gets it and understand. But Karen
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and I have a genuine, real dynamic.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: We genuinely like to get on each other's nerves.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But then we can have a genuine drink, we can
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: have a genuine Kiki.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So she gets it. Now.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Now we're not I've heard you say this before and
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: we're not we're not totally there yet that we leave
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the scene and we're like, but we do sometimes leave
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and we're like, that was some good shit, right.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: There was good ship. And it's funny because I noticed
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: that when Karen mentioned at the reunion, I forgot which
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: reunionist was, but she was like, oh, baby, no one's
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: better at shade than me and Giselle like she it
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: was like this.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Pride that she had.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: So although you guys thow shade at each other and
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: y'all leave, like.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Girl, that was good.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: When she called you a Hampton University whore.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And you have a hot box.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: As if there's a chlamdia situation going on?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, How did you feel about that?
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Knowing that these women seem to always go to your
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: vagina as the way winds sought you?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Right? Several things.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: One, I'm you know, yes I went to Hampton, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: yes I graduated, Karen, you did not.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And yes I'm very proud of Hampton. I just went.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I just came.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: From the homecoming. I brought my daughters down there.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know, Karen a lot of times doesn't know what
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Right, we've jagged at each other so much she wanted
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to come up a new shit.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So you know that was cute.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But you have to keep in mind, Karen, I'm formally educated.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You're not, so just leave the colleges out of it, right,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two, my hot box is or
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: vagina or whatever I got going on between my legs.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Y'all just mad Because I'm single. I can do whatever
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I want with it. Y'all try to sneak and do
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: what you want with it. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: We can move on.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: So look, I love the grand dog. I think Karen.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I think Karen was meant for reality television like you were.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: When it comes to this show, though, a lot of
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: people have questioned Robin's relevance on this show, and she's
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: somebody who I met, who I love, And this is
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: not me saying this about Robin. I think Robin's very
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: relevant on the show, and I'll explain why later. But
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of people feel that Robin is your lap dog.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: They think Robin is afraid to ever disagree with you,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: and they don't understand why Robin is still on the show. Now,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: someone who's your best friend, and obviously you being the
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: unofficial executive producer of the show, how do you feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: when people say those things about Robin?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Hey bothers me for whatever reasons.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: One, there's been many a times where Robin and I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: have disagreed on.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: The show past years, and they don't show it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So it's like she's showing that she doesn't agree with
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: me all the time.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: She's showing that she.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Has her own voice, which she does, which you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: if you want to hear more of her voice, go
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to Reasonably Shady and going to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Listen to podcasts.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But it bothers me because I know that that's not
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: her and that's not a great, you know, description of her.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: But Robin is necessary and needed for the show.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Look, you cannot have seven Gazelle's, you cannot have seven Karens.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You need diversity within the people that are there, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you need people to show up authentically, authentically. Robin is
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: more of of like a peacemaker. You know, Robin is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: somebody that wants to do her research.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You know, dot all of her.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Eyes, cross, all of her tea's before she speaks. Giselle
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: just speaks, Karen just speaks. You know what I mean,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: so Ashley just is going to speak to you and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: do a flip and twirl her hand and then come
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: back and speak again. So you know Robin's dynamic though
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: it's not rob raw and it's not in your face.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It's more like laid back and we need that. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: have and I've said this a million times I have.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I always fight for the show. If you talk to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: anybody at Bravo, they let you know, Jaselle's like the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: number one champion for the show. And that comes with
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: how many episodes we have, That comes with how much
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: we get paid, that comes with all of it. Like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I don't fight for Jazelle. I fight for the ladies.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I fight for the show. And a fight for Robin
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is like, look, without Robin, how the hell do we
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: have peace? We don't like she is the dynamic that
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: we always need. Now, I don't feel like I have
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to continue to fight that fight. I think Bravo gets it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: They understand what Robin brings to the show.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that has been in the past, something that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: has for sure.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen as somebody who's produced Atlanta for eight years,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Jersey for two years, and just create reality shows. You
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: need a Robin. You don't need seven Gazelle's. You don't
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: need seven Nini Leaks or seven Porschas. It's I don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: think people understand that the reality ensembles is reflective of
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: your friendship group in real life.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: In my life, I don't have a bunch of Carlos
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Kings around me. I would drive myself crazy if I did.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I have a friend named Kamar, who you know, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: me and Kamar, although we like the same things, he's
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: much more calm. I'm much more whimsical, and you need
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that sort of balance in your real life. And one
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: thing about Robin that I will say, and we're seeing
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: it this season, she disagrees with you when it comes
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: to how Chris.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Made you feel uncomfortable.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: And I want to touch on that a little bit
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: because I know I made a joke earlier about like, well.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Girl, I was in your bedroom with you. You know Robin and.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Schariz are though we weren't alone, what made you feel uncomfortable?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Because I have a theory based on that, but I'm
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: curious in terms of if I'm right or wrong in
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: the sense of was it that Chris himself let's look
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: at Chris the human being, right, Okay? Was it Chris
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: the human being making you feel uncomfortable? Or was it
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: just the optics of a man being in your room
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: making you uncomfortable? It could have been Chris Bassett, Chris Samuel's,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Christopher Williams, or Chris Evans.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Was it the idea of the fact that a man was.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: In your room or was it really about Chris Bassett
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: the human being?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think it was both, to be honest with you,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was both.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: You know that that evening Chris was very drunk at
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Of the night.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't get it. I didn't get why he wanted
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to have his conference. We could have, we could talk
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to the hallway. I didn't get why he wanted to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: go to my room. So once we were there, it
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: just made me feel uncomfortable. You know, you get that
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: pit in your stomach. That's what I had, And that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: is what I've said.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I have never said this man lord to me. I've
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: never said he prayed on me.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I've never said that I was excusing him of sexual assault,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: even though you know the other side is talking real crazy.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I said he made me feel uncomfortable, and I have
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that right to feel that way. I never thought that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: he would lie and say that I.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Asked him to go to my room. That's a lie,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and that's disturbing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I think that if a woman tells a man, hey,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: when you did this, this made me feel uncomfortable, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: think a man should be like, I'm sorry and we
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: move on.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, And.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: An example I'll give is, listen, I'm a gay man,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: so clearly I'm not attracted to women in that sense.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: But I know that I never shared this story, so
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: this is an exclusive for you guys. I worked out
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of Mind Exchange on Fifth Avenue, New York City years
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: ago when I was in turning at b Et because
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: a boy had to you know, afford chicken and nuts
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: at Wendy's. Yes, So long story, sure, I was a
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: salesperson and a woman was looking for a dress and
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I remember finding her dress and I was like, what
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: size are you? And she said, oh, I don't know.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And I remember touching her arms to give her twirls
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: so I can like examine and I saw that she
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: was uncomfortable and I said, oh, I'm so sorry, and.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: She said, yeah, I don't I don't want a man
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: touching me.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And I said, oh, I'm sorry, and she said, look,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I know you're gay. I just don't like that. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I remember thinking like, okay, cool.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, my bad.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: My intention clearly wasn't sexual because I'm not sexually attracted
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to women. But if this woman is telling me she
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: feels uncomfortable, then look you're you're uncomfortable. And the rest
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: was history. But she said it to me. So my
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: question to you is is there a reason why you
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: never said it to Chris and you guys continue to
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: be around each other.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say anything at all, and because I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, this has happened to me before
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: when it comes to a married man, not not this
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: particular situation, but like marryman have put me in a
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: situation that has made me feel uncomfortable.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I just I just.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Felt like, okay, I'm not gonna say nothing. But then
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: as the season started and he started dming Ashley and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: he dms me, it just was like, WHOA, he's doing
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: too much and A his wife needs to know. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: was just gonna tell Candas, and what I did tell
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Candas so that she needs to know, like Chris might
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable doing these things, but the other side of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the recipients don't feel comfortable, so.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Like, just to check your maid, then let's move on.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Like I never thought, Carlos, this was going to blow
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: up to be you know this thing, Like I seriously
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: thought that she was gonna go home be like yo,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you may you alf feel uncomfortable.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be like yo, I'm sorry. And that was it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I have no idea while we're still talking about this none.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Who Joselle Let me take a break first, child.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I know I hate to do this, but we'll be
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: right back with Bourn from the Queen of a Coomay
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Giselle right after his quick break. This is reality with
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: my conversation with Giselle. Kobe Bryant, how do you feel
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: when people say, Gazelle, your ghost producing has gone too far.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: You are now a lot of people I know you're
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: off Twitter, which, by.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: The way, very smart. Don't go on Twitter. A lot
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: of people on.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Twitter are like, Gazelle, your ghost producing has gone too
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: far to make this a storyline to where you are
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: ruining Chris Bats's reputation just for a storyline. How do
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: you feel when people say that you created this because
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you just wanted to, you know, make the show great
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: this season.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just speaking my truth.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I'm not I'm not ghost producing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing any of that. I'm speaking my truth.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: What happened happened, and that's it. You know, you might
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: want to talk to Kandace. I think Kandace has made
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: this a bigger issue and a bigger deal than yourself.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Oh why would you say that for those reasons?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You know, she went home and she told her husband
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: that I said he lured me. I never said that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: She said that he was praying on me. I never
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: said that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, though, all all of that extra hot.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Sauce on the on the issue didn't need to happen.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, again, this was blown out
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: of proportion for no reason. And no, I'm not trying
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to make Chris Bassett look bad, but sir, and I'm
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: speaking to everybody. Whatever it is that you do in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this world, you got to own it. You made somebody
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable, just own it, apologize.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Keep it pushing. It's not that big of the deal.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Candace was on my podcast, and obviously she's dealing with
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: this in real time, and she was very upset with
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: the accusations. Of course, in terms of just this whole
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: narrative about what's the accusation? Calums, well, that's the thing
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: based on what again, This isn't me saying this obviously,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: And one thing I love about my reality girls is
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: they know when I interview people, I don't put myself
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: in it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I ask questions, they answer, and I keep it moving.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, Candace made it made it very clear that she
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: felt there was like this this conspiracy theory about setting
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: her husband up. What we saw in this previous episode
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: was her talk to Eric Fuller, who's my mentee, who's
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: a fantastic showrunner, about are we about to make this
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: a storyline? And Candace said she felt like this was
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: made up to be a storyline. She insulted you, She said,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: nobody wants her a fifty year old puss. She said,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: not today, say it, not today, neck, not today, Ankles.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: How do you feel to know that Candace really does
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: feel like you set this up.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's not true and she knows it's not true.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And I get it like she's trying to say face.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But you know, Cannas is the reason why I wasn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: going to say anything, because nobody's ever asked me, why
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: weren't you going to say anything?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Jazelle is because Cannis is emotionally very immature, and.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Because of that, you know, I just emotionally, I know
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: that she has a hard time processing anything we've seen
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: it and everything I know about her, she's emotionally like.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: In high school.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't gonna say thing because I'm like, ah,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: cann this is not a grown woman.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: A grown woman would.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Have been like gone home and been like, boy, what happened?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: What you say to Jaselle? Go apologize to that girl.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's grown woman. Cannus is not there. I think that again,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: there's no reason why we should still be.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Talking about this, Carlos.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Out of all the stuff that happens in reality television,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this is like minuscule.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: This is kids stuff. This is like one conversation and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: we're done, and you know, and I know, and she knows.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: The more you talk about it, the more you make
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it into a story.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, now that is true. That is true.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I was dealing with this on my other show, I said, well,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: if you feel uncomfortable with what happened, don't talk about it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: But this person kept talking about it. I was like, well,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I guess we gotta talk about it because that's all
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: you can talk about. So I do agree with you there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: And I want to close this subject by saying something
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: that just hit me because you know, I want you
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: to be honest, and I feel like you are being
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: honest because it's your truth, right you said it should
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: have been a conversation between.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Her and her husband.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: In the perfect world, he would have apologize and that
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: would have been it. It made me think about you
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and Jamal's relationship post divorce, when y'all were working to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: get back together, and the infamous reunion Monique's binder, all
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: these accusations about Jamal Bryant, his phone number, his penis,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: all these things. And what is interesting now that I'm
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: really listening to you because I want people to really
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: listen to what you said and follow the history of you.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: When all those.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Things were thrown at you, you set there and you
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: need to say anything. You commented once or twice, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: you kept it moving. And I'm now realizing that your
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: strategy even dealing with that this been your ex husband,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: your daughter's father, these wild accusations of inappropriate relationships with
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: you know, alleged church members, and all this other stuff.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: You never once really made it a big deal.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Is that because you did not want to make this
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: the big storyline of that season.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it a big deal because it wasn't.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Andy asked me fourteen times with Gazelle, do you want
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to comment? Do you want to comment? What's your comment
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to Zelle Gazelle? What do you have to say? What
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: do you have to say to Zelle Jazelle? And I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: didn't have anything to say.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I know me and Jamal's truth, and I don't need
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to explain that to those girls, to the Binder.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Girl, to the world. I know it and Jamal knows it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: That's all that matters to me.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And that's how I deal with things like I'm not
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: here to do three theatrics and explain a bunch of
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: stuff that ain't y'all's business. Not everything is y'all's business,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: so and when it comes to Jamal, a lot of
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it ain't y'all's business, because yes, that is the children,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: my children's father, that's somebody that's going to be in
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: my life to the day I die. That's somebody that
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I love and respect. So yeah, that's not for y'all.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: What is your current relationship like now with Jamal?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: We're great, Jamal are great.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I rely on him for a lot of things, like
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: for instance, this morning, I need an African dress makeup
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: for Portia's wedding.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That's a whole nother story.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Me too, going not a dress, I'm getting a suit made,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: but continue.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, So, like you know, I hit him up for that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I was in Hampton.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I needed a lot of stuff when I was going
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: down there. He like, Jamal's my guy and he always
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: will be.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: And one thing I want to let the listeners know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: which I don't think they know this. I know Jamal
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Brian as well, and he had nothing but great things
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: to say about you. He said, my wife has always
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: been a star, and now she is one and the
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: world gets to see it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And the things that listen.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not in Jamal's bedroom, so I'm never going to
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: address what Jamal does in his personal life. What I
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: want the audience to know and the listeners to know
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: is Jamal is a cool guy's he was nice to
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: myself and the crew and the staff around him. My
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: realtor is his real turh.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: She loves you. She loves you.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: So when people said that this relationship was fake, the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: only thing I can say to you is when I
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: was trying to work with Jamal, Giselle was applying to Atlanta,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: y'all almost every week or the other week, child, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: it was a real relationship. And you deserve happiness, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the audience really wants you to be happy in a relationship.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Where are things now with you and a man? Are
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: you dating somebody exclusively right now?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Exclusively?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: No, Carlos, Yes, I'm dating. I feel like it's.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Not my time for that right now.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I you know, I have these grown daughters that I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: live with that are leaving me, and I really want
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to I've chosen to make this time about them. When
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: they're gone in a year and a half, when they
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: all three are gone, then I'm gonna do me.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm Janine a big way, and y'all not gonna
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: be able to stop me from doing me.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I really just want to give my kids
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: my time.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I think that's beautiful and one thing people will say
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: about you, Jazill. Your haters will even say Giselle is
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: a great mom and they love seeing you film scenes
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: with your daughters. So it's plausible obviously that and it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: beautiful to the fact that you're choosing this time to
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: spend with your children because they are getting older and
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: soon enough they will be at the house. And I'm
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: pretty sure a nice chocolate man, because I heard you
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: like dark skin men. I heard you like darskin men
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: who are very smart, very successful, likes the spool a woman,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: and you know all those things. So you got your
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: own mister Chocolate in the waiting.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I do want to say this though, about that subject,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: because it infuriates me when women always want to be like, oh,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: she don't have a man, she don't have a man,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: as if that's the only reason why women wake up
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in the morning to find one.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I think that we.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Do ourselves a disservice by acting like that's all we're
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: good for is being connected to a man.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: That's all I want to say about that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So women, we need to do better because that's not
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: even what life is all about. Like, if you really
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: live in that's not what life is all about.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: So that's all I want to say about that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look and I think listen.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: One of the things about these reality shows is the
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: biggest disc that I've seen is is whether someone's looks
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: or someone's lack of man meaning husband, or things like that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: So I do think a lot of the audience they
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: don't like that. They feel like a woman is able
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: to be happy without you know, a man. Does this
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: sometimes hurt you when people say these nasty things about you?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, I think the minute that I allow that
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: to happen, something's wrong with me.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Like I'm cuckoo and Y'ALLM crazy if.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I allow people I don't know to affect my day.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, absolutely not. My mommy loves me, My daddy
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: loves me. My kids think that I am met there
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: she row.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's all I care about.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: And when you're out in the public, I'm pretty sure
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: you have never met a hater. And that's the thing
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: that I want people to know because at Bravo Khan,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: they have footage of you know you with the fans
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: and there was a fucking like pandemonium when it comes
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: to you. And what's so funny is always tell people
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: social media is not the real world, because if you
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: think social media is real, you would believe Giselle Bryant
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: is the most hated housewife next to Lisa Rena. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: when you were at Bravo Con, there was so much
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: love for you, Like, does that also make you realize
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: that I know what's real and I know what's not.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Actually, Angie and I had this conversation.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I just did watch What Happens Live, so we were
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: we were fresh off of Bravo Con, so we were
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: able to like talk about.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: The feeling of it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: And first and foremost, we filmed these shows in a bubble.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: We do our show, we put it out there to
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, social media does what it does, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: it's typically negative, right, So to go to a Bravo
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Con and it's nothing but love, It's nothing but people.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Screaming your name and telling you. In episode two.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Of season four you said blah blah blah, and I
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: loved it and that changed my life. Like what, Like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: it's amazing to get that kind of love from people,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: especially when you go years of hearing nothing.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: But that bitch needed Ie. She's an old Hey, she
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: ain't shit, like you know, it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Was a good balance speaking of balance, let's talk about
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: the balance between Karen and Charis, or should I say
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: lack thereof.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: We've seen three episodes.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: So far, and Karen is avoiding Charis as if her
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: name is covid. Why I feel like Karen has a
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: halfmat to avoid cheries. I think Karen has a vaccination
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: to avoid charies.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And I love Karen's So this is like this func shate.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: But what does Charis have on Karen to the point
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: where Karen is making every excuse in the book not
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: to be around this woman?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: A very good question. Now, that's a very good question.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: So we got to wait and see.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: However, I'm like Karen, It really shocked all of us
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that Karen went so hard in the paint avoiding Cherise, you.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Know, saying she wasn't gonna I'm not filming with her.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Oh no, Giselle, Charise, what do you mean? Why is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: she here? Oh my gosh, I'm not going to give
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: her that kind of life.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Like all of that was happening when we weren't filming,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, what are you talking about? Like
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Charisa is a day winner, Charisa is a o g
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Charesa's been around us even Teresa's been around us even
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: when she wasn't on the.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Show, so like I don't I didn't get it. But then.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But let's be clear. Does Charise
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: have a lot of tea on Karen? Yes, she does,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: and it will be spelled. The tea will we spelled people,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Don't you worry?
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Is the tea that Karen allegedly has stepped out on
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: her marriage.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Carlos, I can't say all that. I'm getting phone call
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: from Bravo. Now I'm would say.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I hate these phone calls. I'm gonna say that Cherise
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: has tea that we've all known, but we just didn't
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: spill it. Now, now hear what I said when Karen
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: was screaming Gazelle's broke and she's a whore and she's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a this and hamed it in the hot box and
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the sing sing and the wing wing and all that nonsense.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Jeselle still kept everything in the back pocket because I
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: don't need to do that, and sometimes people need to
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: secretly call me when we finished filming and say thank you,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: thank you, just out almost I didn't say it, but
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: once the tea is spilled, Now I'm gonna talk about it,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: but I gotta wait for you know, somebody else.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Fuiled it, not me.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, one last thing.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: We're gonna move on, because you know, I am a
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: huge fan.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Of Giselle Kobe Bryant.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: So I remember that scene was last season episode one,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: that spilled over into episode two.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: The first act.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: So you wore this beautiful brown leather outfit, your hair
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: was in a Beyonce single Ladies bun right, and me
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: and my partner, First of all, I think he loves
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: you more than I do.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: He's obssessed with you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: So he and I were watching the episode and you
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: said something to Karen, don't worry, don't worry, I wanta
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: spill it today.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I would spill it over time.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: And then you you had like you it was like
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: this imaginary dust that you were sprinkling over the table
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: when you said, I'm not gonna spill it now, I'll
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: just spill it over time. Just just answer this for
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: me and I'll move on the stuff that's being revealed
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: this season. Was that what you were talking about when
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: you made that statement.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, but but and even when and even even a
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: lot of spilled, and I still got more than I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: still have to said, and guess what, Karen doesn't even
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: need to worry because because nine point nine times out
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: of ten, I'm gonna keep it to myself because not
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: everything is for y'all because I'm I'm actually a really
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: nice person, so like if not everything is for the people,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: so I'm probably gonna keep it to myself.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: I can't so this, okay, okay, got me. Let me
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: start fangirling. It was nice to see you and Mia
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: get past the cancer. I don't mean to laugh because
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: it's that words.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Funny, but you, guys not funny. That word's not funny,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: so guys don't read me.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: But it's more so of Giselle's.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Statement and delivery. Thank you so much.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: So I was texting with Giselle and I said to
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: her something like, I you know, I love you. This
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: episode was great, And then she made that statement like
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: did you love this part? I said, oh no, bitch,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: there's something else.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: That I love.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: What I love about you is you know how to
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: enter a scene, give a moment, and make all of
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: us laugh.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: And I just have to say that was great.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: But when you and I were in your bedroom with
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Robin and and I'm not gonna spill what happened because
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: y'all have to stay tuned. A very big moment happened
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: the night before and this I'm gonna say this because
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I want you guys to know who Jezebe really is.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: So after we all have this fangirl moment in the room,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Giselle made a comment that struck me and I was like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I wish people saw this side of you.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Giselle said, Mia is great for this show.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: And the spite was going on, you know with us,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: This spite was going on this season with she and I.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Mia is good for this show. And we talked.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: About other people, and you had nothing but nice things
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: to say about other people as it relates to their
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: position on the show. What makes you able to switch
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: from the shape people throw at you to also acknowledge that, look,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we're a team and
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: this cast made is great for the collective.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: For that reason, because the shade that you throw me
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: is good for the show. The shade that I throw
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you is good for the show. If this people need
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: to like actually relax and realize this is a television
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: show and this is entertainment, and you know, don't ever
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you know, Giselle never takes anything too personally, and we
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: all get something called a faith check.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: We get a wire since to our bank account. That
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: means we're working.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So this is business right, and yes it's personal business,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: so to speak. But I understand the big picture and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I never lose sight of it. And in the big picture,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: you can. You should throw shade at me. I used
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: to tell Charlica all the time. Girl, if you need
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to cust me because you're mad, go head on and
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: do it. Because us this is a television show in
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: which one we're one. Being real is how you really feel.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm never.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Going to be mad if I feel like it's great
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: for the show. Never.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I might be mad in a moment, but later I'll
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: be like Base, that was great.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: And that's why you're one of the greatest housewives of
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: all time and also a force multiplier. So with that
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: being said, thank you so much for doing this. You
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: know I am a big fan of yours. I love you,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: I adore you. Before you leave. Tease to us was
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: to come not only on the rest of the season
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: of Potomac, but also a little taste of what we
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: can expect from Ultimate Girls Trip three ooh, okay, let's.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Talk about Girls Trip three first, because I know that
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: you love Porsche.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yes and.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Love.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And you know, when Portia and I.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Did chat room, Bravo's chatroom, that was a what do
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you call those things? Zoom type of showy virtual virtual
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: or virtual show. We had like so much chemistry and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: so much love for each other, and we talked about
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: being on a trip together just as girlfriends, and then
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: here comes all right, we want you all to go
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to Thailand.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: So we were a Portunately.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I was so excited to be there together and we
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: can keep in acting like straightfolds for eight days, which
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: was amazing.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: It is a it is a.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Great combination of drama, hilarious and.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: What do you call those things that they make us
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: do all the time?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Carlos activities and stupid ass activities. Okay, so it's stupid
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: ass activities that do nothing but make drama and it's
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: very very funny. I mean, I don't want to speak
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: on the other two that have come, but I feel
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like this thing that we did in Thailand is amazing.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Now let's get to the Real Housewives, Potomac So Real
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: house Spots, Potomac Guys, y'all think these three episodes have
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: been good. Y'all ain't seen nothing yet. It is a
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: great It is NonStop. I love how this season we
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: did not hold anything for too long. So we had
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: me and the cancer, Yeah, we done with that. We
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: had you know, me and Cannas in the Christ situation.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've done with that. We just keep
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: moving and moving and moving because so much is happening.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: It is like a moving target.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: So Miami is out of control. Carlos Can attested that
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit because he was there. And by the way,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: when Carlos and I did meet in person, like I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: think I was naked in the bed, I think they were,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and I did feel comfortable.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you Carlos. Anyway, but I do love this season.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I really feel like it's our best season. Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, Gizelle, what can people follow you and support you?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: My love?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I am on all social media things. I am Jaselle Bryant.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Now that Twitter, y'all can have that hit.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Me on that Instagram.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Also, you know, Rob and I have our reasonably shady
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: It drops every Monday. So an episode dropped today and oh,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Robin and I are doing a live show.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: In New York, November twenty sixth.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: So if you, after you've eaten your turkey and cut
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: your family out, come.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Hang out with me and Robin.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, thank you Giselle Kobe Bryant for blessing the
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: kingdom with your presence.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Babe, Yes, thank you, I love you. I bey you
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: already know that Filmus Metro. Yeah. I love Jazelle. Sorry
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and I'm sorry I do. I think she's funny, she's gorgeous,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: she so smart, and she's reasonably shady. How can you
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: not love Gazel?
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: My thing is this, if you are a fan of
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: reality television, then you have to be a.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Fan of Gazel.
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  Speaker 4: She is such a force multiplier that when she enters
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  Speaker 4: a scene, she knows what she's doing. And now the
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  Speaker 4: producer of reality TV, Baby, that's what I like to
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  Speaker 4: work with.
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  Speaker 3: How funny is it.
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  Speaker 4: That Gazelle is that Bravo con And my rain drops
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  Speaker 4: when I say that, melted in my heart. My rain drops.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that one of y'all said, Gazell Kobe Bryant.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I love y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all show me so much love and support that I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: y'all will never ever, ever, ever, ever understand how much
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  Speaker 4: that means to me, So thank you for shouting me
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  Speaker 4: out at Bravo Con and look, we have so much
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  Speaker 4: more to do with Gazelle.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully I won't get her in trouble this time.
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