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Cosmos & Evolution | Brett Keane, AtheistJr , ProverbsGuys Ministries ​ · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Afterlife Simulation by Brett Keene An ancient globalist
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  Another morning, same way. Bare feet are called floor.
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  Hope comes late. Happy silence fills the room.
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  Deep good the clock. I feel consumed.
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  Be burns white tongue, but I still sit mirror in the hallway.
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  I barely exist, super tired, fake smile in the background.
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  Out smile, phone buzzing head and hands, unread messages,
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  broken plans, pressure pressed on every breath.
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  Maybe I'm just not enough yet. I look out the window, nothing's
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  clear. All these expectations ring in
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  my ear to me. Doesn't ever get easy.
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  Is there peace on the other side?
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  How much me do I give away before I disappear inside?
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  Tell me how much more I've got to carry.
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  Is there it somewhere I can't see?
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  Am I supposed to bend until I break down, or is that space
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  left just for me? Tell me how much more I got to
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  carry. Repeat the question.
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  Waiting to be free. Make this sunburn cold within.
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  Waiting for a start that doesn't begin.
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  Smiles and passing. That's where small talk house
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  was really there Hands in power. I can told him tight to all I
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  couldn't say last night. Take a number, wait a nine wish
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  you my words against the time I feel the way slow me down Still
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  searching for higher ground quiet moments hard to find.
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  Still I carry what's not mine. Tell me does it ever get easy?
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  Is there? It's on the other side.
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  How much will you do I give away before I disappear inside?
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  Tell me how much more I gotta carry.
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  Is it? If someone I can't see, am I
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  supposed to bend until I break down or is there space left just
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  for me? Tell me how much more.
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  Got it Carrie, repeat the question waiting to be free.
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  Let me drunk but swaying me down and breathe with the sound.
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  I'm tired of running place when just the taste of the grave.
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  You'll have to hold it off. But if I just let it fall for me
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  when you really know. Well, hello, ladies and
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  gentlemen. My name is Brett Keene from GOD
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  TV Radio. I hope you're all having a
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  wonderful day. For some reason, somebody's
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  camera isn't coming up. Hold on a second.
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  Let me see what's going on here. Why is it doing that?
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  We'll just go to stream and see if that works.
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  There we go. All right.
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  Yeah, I think you guys would be able to.
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  OK, There's Proverbs. Yeah.
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  You got to turn the camera man again.
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  This is GOD TV Radio. I sure missed the final
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  countdown intro. Looks like we got Atheist Junior
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  in the back. Are we ready for some good
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  discussion? OK.
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  Absolutely. All right, so let's see, is he
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  showing up? Can you guys hear me?
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  Yeah, I can hear you. Let me see if I can, what can I
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  do to make it to where everybody shows up?
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  It's been a while and they really changed the UI on this.
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  Let me see how can I let me get this.
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  Let me see if I can drag him into the place are.
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  You on obs? Yeah, I'm using OBS through the
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  virtual camera thing through this, but it's not putting.
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  I wanted you guys to all appear on the screen well.
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  You could add a browser window. Some kind of edit layoff?
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  Yeah. Yeah, and that would.
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  Yes, they totally change this around.
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  You know, I was away for almost a year and a half and I come
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  back and this thing's all dark looking.
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  It's crazy. Let me see.
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  You are able to be heard. Can people hear Mr. Junior Type
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  1? If you can hear Mr. Junior.
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  I hear him. All right, I'll figure this out
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  while we're talking and blabbing and all that.
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  I apologize. I probably should have came in
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  much earlier and tried to resolve this, but I thought we
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  were going to do it over. It's yours.
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  Steven, if you guys are wondering why we didn't do it on
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  Stevens, because Junior said he was open for the day.
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  He said he wanted to do things. When I went over to Stevens
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  thing, Stevens got like 10 broadcast he's getting ready to
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  do and he's got dated and I thought, my goodness, if I asked
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  him to do it over there, he's going to have to stop his buddy
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  from doing his broadcast, Steven told me.
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  Because I'm such a sexy person, he would have shot them all down
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  for me. But it is what it does, what you
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  got on me, Steven. I mean, I don't remember
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  specifically the language because you're such a sexy
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  person, but you are a good friend of mine.
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  So yeah, we would have shifted some things around.
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  I'm excited for the conversation.
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  I think it's going to be really good.
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  And I'm glad that AJ came by to talk to you.
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  So thank you, AJ. Yeah, we appreciate you coming
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  in and we are had totally planning on having a respectful
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  decent conversation. And like I said in my video, I
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  don't look at the baits and discussions of some kind of win
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  or lose. Unless you walk away with an
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  open mind and you believe in the possibility of God, or at least
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  you you consider it and it leaves you thinking and all
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  that, then I feel like there's a little bit of a win.
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  But that's between you and God on that issue.
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  Making each other look like idiots.
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  That's not my my Forte. Some people might get off from
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  that. That doesn't do nothing for me.
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  I've already been through too many debates.
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  Just want to be able to help people you understand.
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  Makes sense? All right.
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  So you said you wanted to defend evolution.
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  You're the one that initiated that.
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  I didn't call you out on that. Last time we talked, we seemed
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  like we were getting along OK. We were having a fair
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  discussion. There was some mockery.
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  You had said something about being related to a banana and
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  that you were part ape and all that, so people were goofing on
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  ya. I apologize for that.
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  If no matter what he says, do not laugh and if you feel the
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  need to laugh, please mute your mic and keep it to yourself.
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  All right, folks. Well, I, I know that sometimes
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  the things don't seem intuitively true with the claims
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  of evolution and, and some people do find it very like
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  ridiculous or incredulous, but you know, not things don't
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  always align with our, with our common sense and our intuition
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  in science. And so sometimes things that
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  seem like they should be obvious or seem like they were wrong
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  might actually come down to be true.
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  Like people thought the Earth was flat because if you go out
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  and look at the horizon, it, it looks flat, but you have to get
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  up to a higher elevation to see the curve.
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  You have to get more information and increase your your viewpoint
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  of the world and get and you can see that it's actually curved
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  so. Right, I get done.
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  Now. That's one of the reasons I
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  suspect we have a bunch of these flat earthers out here and why
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  they used to come into my room and try to convince me that I
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  was stupid. Because the earth is shaped.
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  I get you. If you don't mind, I am more
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  than happy to get into a discussion about evolution, but
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  I'd like to. I believe that you are
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  intelligent enough where you could also probably hit the
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  subject of the cosmos in a little bit about the universe
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  first. Can we start with the universe
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  and then work our way into evolution?
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  If that's cool. Sure.
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  All right. Do you believe that the universe
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  is logical and rational? I, I think that the universe has
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  laws of physics and fundamental forces that are pretty set in
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  stone and well understood. I, I do, I think that the
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  universe is a chaotic and uncaring sort of void.
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  There's like, if you go out any, anywhere outside of our, our
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  planet, you would suffocate in space, you know what I mean?
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  And for like thousands of light years in every direction,
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  there's a lot of nothingness, you know what I mean?
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  So the universe seems like it's very chaotic out there and
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  dangerous. But, you know, we happen to live
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  on a planet that's able to have liquid water and support life.
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  And we're, you know, in a good distance from the sun.
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  So I guess we we lucked out in that sense.
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  But yeah, I I would say that it what what was, what did you say?
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  Is the universe orderly like? Well, like logical and rational,
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  like mathematically organized or set up in such a way.
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  See, I will presuppose that's the word I'm going to use here,
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  that the universe does have some form of order to it.
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  And the reason why I say that is I believe that scientists
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  wouldn't be able to accurately study the universe if it was
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  constantly shifting the in and out of patterns that we couldn't
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  study. You understand?
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  I mean, if you were growing 5 legs every 5 seconds, it'd be
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  damn hard, Bill, study your anatomy because of that process,
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  especially if you were billions of light years in expansion.
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  You agree? Right.
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  I, I, I do think that that would be difficult.
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  But The thing is, is that there are, you know, parameters in the
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  universe, like there is a certain speed of light that
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  anything that has masks can't seem to go faster than.
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  And there is the laws of physics and the, the way that they're
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  set, they're, they're all very particular.
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  But I do think that possibly if condition, the early conditions
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  have been different than maybe the speed of light would be
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  different than it is, or some of these parameters would not be
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  the same as as they are. But some of these things are
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  changing, like for example, like the the universe is expanding,
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  but the rate of expansion is increasing.
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  So that's not set in stone. That's an argument I use against
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  the fine tuning argument that, you know, I mentioned sort of
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  the Goldilocks zone that the Earth is in.
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  Because people will bring up that up as an example of the
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  fine tuning argument that really the there's a very large, you
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  know, range that the Earth could be in terms of being closer or
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  farther away from the sun and it would still be, I think, not too
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  hot or too cold. But we see parameters like the
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  expansion rate of the universe are changing.
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  So not everything is a set parameter when it comes to the
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  universe. We got somebody in the room in
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  the backstage called Frank K Does anybody know who he is?
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  He's not showing himself on camera.
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  And you know me, as much as I like a a beautiful woman or some
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  kind of wonderful imagery, I don't want it on the terms of
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  service guidelines of YouTube. So does anybody know Frank at
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  all? No one I know I don't.
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  Think so. OK, Frank, unless you show
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  yourself on camera and give me the middle finger, I'm not going
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  to be able to know you're a sentient human being.
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  Just turn the camera real quick. Give me the middle finger and
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  one of those goofy smiles that we all love and adore, and then
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  I'll I'll let you up. I'll give you an opportunity.
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  All right, so now we haven't been outside of the Milky Way of
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  the universe. Do you?
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  Are you the type of person that assumes that the universe acts
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  all in the same way as our Galaxy does?
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  Is it possible that we can go into a pocket of the universe
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  where things are completely different in the physics and
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  gravity and all this? Or do you think that it's
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  absolutely the same from the origin of the universe?
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  Yeah, I, I don't think that in our observable universe, I don't
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  think you could travel any long enough distance to where
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  suddenly the fundamental laws of the universe would change.
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  I feel like you'd have to, you'd have to subscribe to like a
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  multiverse theory to, to see something like that where you'd
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  have to travel to an alternate universe where things were
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  different because the initial conditions were, were different
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  when that universe, you know, formed or, or whatever.
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  Why wouldn't you subscribe to a multi universe for if the our
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  universe can construct itself without a prime mover or
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  independent force or mind then surely this should be able to
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  happen more than once. What's your thoughts on that?
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  Well, I don't really tend. I don't really claim to know
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  whether or not the universe had a beginning point or if it could
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  be eternal. I, I don't, I don't think I have
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  enough information or, or enough knowledge to really confidently
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  claim that I can say for sure. I do think that the idea of a
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  multiverse is, is certainly interesting and I would like to
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  think that it's real. But yeah, and and the idea of
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  something making itself, I've always kind of struggled with
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  that because for something to make itself, it's almost as this
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  it would have to pre exist its own, it would have to exist
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  before it existed in order to make itself.
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  So it's kind of seems like a sort of causality loop, almost
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  like a predestination paradox. Yeah, I too have a difficult
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  time being able to rationalize that.
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  How about it simply came into existence based upon whatever
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  components? Does that sound better?
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  Or do you have another way that you think it should be
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  expressed? I, I, I think that it it's
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  possible that the universe simply existed in a different
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  state than it is than how it exists now, and it's an
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  unrecognizable state to how we see our universe now and.
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  So are you saying that there was like an ancient form of the
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  universe that existed before what it what scientists refer to
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  as The Big Bang? Like there was some kind of
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  there was something there, but then it somehow became more
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  complex and became the universe that is ours now.
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  Well, if you've heard of the, the, the sort of alternative
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  hypothesis to The Big Bang that were proposed and then the sort
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  of eventually thrown out like the Big Crunch, the big Squish,
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  the idea that instead of the universe sort of expanding
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  indefinitely from a very like small singularity that it would,
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  it would expand to a certain point.
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  And then the gravitational forces at the very center of the
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  universe would start to draw things back to its origin point.
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  So it's like the universe would collapse it back in on itself.
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  And the sort of way I would visualize something like that,
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  there being a, a altered, like a different version of our
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  universe is if it is like, you know, scientists, say
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  cosmologists, they basically posit that Big Bang Theory is
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  the most parsimonious, the most accurate explanation of the the.
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  Evolution of the early universe and that it expanded from a
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  small dense hot point or singularity and it's expanding
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  outward and it's now much more spread out, much less dense and
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  much cooler. So it's almost like the way I
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  picture it is like it expands out now, but if you reverse
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  that, if you reverse time, you can sort of imagine it shrinking
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  back in on itself. And then sort of like, I don't
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  know, I don't know how to explain it.
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  Like shrinking back in and then sort of expanding outward in a
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  different way, like an alternate universe that makes sense that
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  pre existed our universe. I'm not saying that I think this
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  is true. It's just something I've thought
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  about. You're more than welcome to give
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  out your theories and hypothesis.
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  I actually encourage people, even if you don't have like a
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  complete way to be able to reveal evidence for it, I'm
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  willing to listen. I'm open minded.
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  I mean, my goodness, I spent months with the Flat Earthers.
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  So it is what it is. So you believe that there was
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  something there. You don't believe in what?
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  Some of these folks are indicating that like, what's his
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  name? Mr. Cross?
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  I think I forgot his first, but he believed that the universe
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  according to his book and his writings.
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  I didn't make this up. He said the universe was nothing
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  and then matter, nature, space and time came into existence or
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  as far as time is with the universe.
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  Do you agree with him on that? Or do you think that he might be
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  cooked for Cocoa Puffs? I, I think that the the title of
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  his of his book is is maybe slightly misleading because I
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  don't think he was arguing that the universe came from
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  absolutely nothing. Because I think when the term,
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  when he uses the word nothing in that context, it's not an
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  absolute philosophical nothing. We're not There's no molecules.
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  There's no not even molecules that are standing perfectly
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  still at absolute zero with no vibration that there's no
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  particles whatsoever. If you can imagine like being
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  out in space where there's it's just blackness even there
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  there's going to be part some type of some particles and
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  elements at the microscopic level, but.
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  Well, I, I can appreciate that you you've seen his book and all
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  that and he's seen the title and I understand I've heard some non
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  believers say that what he has said is misleading.
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  And just to make sure that I got what they were saying and may
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  have been interpreting him wrong.
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  I actually watched quite a few of his videos.
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  I have a TikTok and normally don't use it because people are
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  just I'm over on TikTok. I prefer YouTube, but I got
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  several video shorts of him where it gets right to the part
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  where he's he's actually having a discussion with Richard
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  Dawkins. And obviously they're patting
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  themselves on the back because they're both atheist.
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  Richard's doing biology, he's doing the universe.
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  And Richard says, is it true that we come from nothing?
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  And he goes nothing. And he goes absolutely nothing.
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  And he says literally nothing. And he repeats himself three
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  times. Nothing.
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  No quantum fields, no photons, no Darth Vader in the Seth.
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  Nothing. That's how he put it.
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  That's what he said in front of an audience on video.
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  Yeah, Lawrence Krauss also. I mean, I'm, I'm not the biggest
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  fan of him anyway. I mean, I'm pretty sure he did
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  some unsavory things with women. I think I have a, a image that
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  shows that like what when he's talking about nothing or an
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  empty space. I think he said this before that
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  It's not like I was saying like if you can imagine empty space
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  where there's no planets, stars or anything.
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  It seems empty to us. But it's really, according to
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  Kraus, it's actually filled with virtual particles that are like
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  matter and antimatter that annihilate each other and that
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  there's a lot. I'll share this image that's
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  supposed to be sort of a visualization of of.
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  I mean, if that's if that's OK for me to share my screen.
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  Yeah, you can share your screen. You never porn bombed me before,
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  so I trust you on that matter. Yeah, I I'm trying to figure out
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  how to actually get you on the screen still.
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  Oh, yeah. Terrible.
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  Let's see. Yeah.
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  It has to do with how you have your scenes set up.
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  Brett, I was saying you could add a, you could add a browser
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  source and just add the browser of the stream yard tab and it
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  should show what you know. Let.
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  Me. See if that works.
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  That might be what we want. All right.
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  Are you up there? Can you guys hear me?
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  Yeah. What in the hell?
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  I just you guys aren't popping up on the screen.
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  I even added the scenes. That sucks.
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  Do you have your scene like maximized?
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  Now that is a possible thing. Would I actually cover you guys
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  in that process? I think so it would be like
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  sharing your sharing your scene or, you know, sharing your
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  screen. There you go.
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  See, AJ, can you turn your camera on Now?
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  If you can turn your camera on like you don't have to have your
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  lens open, that's how I'm doing it.
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  Oh, there you guys go. Look at all these handsome.
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  Yeah, like close the lens on your you on your webcam, AJ and
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  then share your screen and then you'll be up here.
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  It's not technical difficulties, folks.
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  What happened was I've been away from YouTube.
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  I come back and somebody got in here and rigged the whole stream
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  yards. It's UI and it's HUD, so I'm
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  learning as we go. I didn't want to hold Steven and
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  Mr. Junior up any longer. I figured, let's get this going
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  and let's have a discussion. Let me put myself back on the
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  stream. I'll tell you what, if Steven
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  wasn't here, I don't know what I'd do.
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  I might have to just sit here and grow old.
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  All right. Did you get at work in Mr.
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  Junior as well? Steven?
• 26:50
  I see you, Steven. I don't see Junior.
• 26:52
  I there we go. That works.
• 26:55
  You're at least represented. You may want to go into the
• 26:58
  settings now and change your virtual background to an image
• 27:01
  that you want displayed. You're good.
• 27:04
  No, this is it. He he was able to share it.
• 27:06
  So yeah. So what Kraus was saying is that
• 27:12
  what we picture is empty space actually has a lot of activity
• 27:16
  going on in virtual particles and what he calls quantum foam.
• 27:22
  Honestly, I'm Grayson would be better to talk to you about this
• 27:24
  stuff like he. Yeah, so.
• 27:27
  I like talking to Grayson. They used to talk to him a while
• 27:30
  back. Somebody said that he took off,
• 27:32
  though. Was that you, Steven?
• 27:34
  Did you? You said that Grayson devolved
• 27:37
  or something. What happened?
• 27:39
  No, what had happened is he had come to Dinosaur Adventure Land
• 27:44
  and had a pretty good visit and then after he had left, you
• 27:49
  know, made some claims that it was not such a savory place, but
• 27:53
  he seemed to be enjoying himself while he was here.
• 27:57
  All right, fair enough. Brief and to the point, I get
• 28:01
  you on that. So, Junior, I'll throw just a
• 28:04
  little bit more about the cosmos and then we can get into the
• 28:07
  evolution thing. I appreciate you entertaining me
• 28:10
  on the cosmos and all that. I just wanted to see where you
• 28:13
  were on that. Well, let's say that there was
• 28:15
  some protons and there was some weird stuff and all this that
• 28:18
  was going on. Maybe an ancient state of the
• 28:21
  universe before The Big Bang ignited and created things
• 28:24
  'cause it sounds like you go with The Big Bang.
• 28:27
  Let's go with that. You don't believe that nature
• 28:30
  can actually create the physical constructs of nature on its own
• 28:34
  though, right? I'm not sure.
• 28:41
  I'm not sure how to answer that because again, you're saying
• 28:44
  like nature is creating itself. Well, isn't that what we would
• 28:50
  be saying here? If there was a Big Bang and it
• 28:52
  created space-time and matter, then it would have had to create
• 28:56
  the very thing that we define as nature, all the physical
• 28:59
  constructs and all the gases, everything that's in the
• 29:02
  universe as your favorite man in the whole wide world.
• 29:05
  Kent has said it created the oceans, the mountains, the
• 29:08
  elephants, the snails, the whales, you know what I mean?
• 29:11
  So it created all these physical constructs.
• 29:15
  How did this? I hate to put it at you because
• 29:18
  you probably won't have a response for it, but you can
• 29:20
  try. Why did suddenly this ancient
• 29:24
  state of the universe ignite and create all these physical
• 29:28
  constructs and some of these beautiful asteroids we always
• 29:31
  hear heading for the Earth? Well, it's not.
• 29:35
  I disagree with Kent saying that The Big Bang created the
• 29:40
  mountains and the rivers and all that stuff, because Kent knows
• 29:42
  that scientists claim that the Earth formed billions of years
• 29:49
  after The Big Bang happened. But at The Big Bang at during
• 29:55
  Planck time, basically you had the four fundamental forces of
• 29:59
  the universe, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force
• 30:03
  combined into one physical force that split into four forces.
• 30:07
  And those 4 fundamental forces are what sort of are the, are
• 30:12
  the foundation of the laws of physics that lead to elements
• 30:20
  that we have elements forming and that that makes stars able
• 30:23
  to form and planets able to form.
• 30:26
  So it's not that like The Big Bang caused like planets to
• 30:31
  form, which is more like The Big Bang caused or right after The
• 30:36
  Big Bang, you had a splitting of so 1 fundamental force into the
• 30:42
  four that are the most basic forces in our universe, and
• 30:46
  everything else sort of comes from those.
• 30:50
  The other the more, the more, the less fundamental laws of
• 30:54
  physics. Do you believe that from the
• 30:57
  point of the beginning of The Big Bang all the way through
• 31:00
  this expansive universe that the ingredients for the concept of a
• 31:06
  consciousness and mind was present?
• 31:09
  Or did it simply only form as Earth came into existence?
• 31:17
  No, I I don't. I think consciousness is
• 31:19
  something that came much later. You don't believe that there is
• 31:25
  any other possible life or any kind of intelligence in the
• 31:28
  universe, that we are somehow special and unique out of
• 31:32
  billions of worlds that the scientists claim exist.
• 31:38
  I think that the universe is so large that it's likely that
• 31:40
  we'll never interact with another form of intelligent
• 31:43
  life, at least not in my lifetime.
• 31:45
  But no, I, I don't think that we would be the only ones because
• 31:49
  feasibly, if you know, you can have a solar system with the
• 31:53
  planet that has a star close at the right distance to where
• 31:58
  liquid water can form, it's it's possible that you could have
• 32:04
  life like we see on Earth. And then there's also evidence
• 32:08
  that there are life forms that could exist on other types of,
• 32:14
  you know, planet like life forms that are not carbon based like
• 32:18
  we are. But maybe based on like silicone
• 32:21
  based or life that's able to live in conditions that we
• 32:25
  couldn't exist in, like unlike on the methane and thick gases
• 32:30
  of a planet like Venus that we would just immediately die if we
• 32:33
  were dropped, you know, if we were teleported to Venus, like
• 32:37
  we'd just die instantly from the heat.
• 32:39
  But there might be life forms that could exist on planets like
• 32:42
  that. I don't know, you know, because
• 32:44
  we have extremophiles on Earth that can exist in volcanoes, in
• 32:47
  the vacuum of space and things like that.
• 32:48
  So, you know, life finds a way. Alex says theistic evolution,
• 32:55
  multiverse theory. We throw out all kinds of neat
• 32:58
  stuff, don't we, Steven? But one of the other things,
• 33:01
  though. But you believe that there had
• 33:03
  to have been some kind of either point or the formula for life
• 33:08
  had to have actually existed within nature in order for this
• 33:11
  all to be right? Or did do you think it's only
• 33:14
  unique to Earth? That's what I'm getting at.
• 33:18
  No, I don't I don't think it's I don't think it can only be
• 33:23
  unique to Earth. It might, it might be unique to
• 33:25
  Earth right now, but I, I, I do think that it's possible that we
• 33:29
  that life could exist on other planets.
• 33:30
  I don't see a reason why it couldn't other than unless we
• 33:34
  are really are just special. But that's, I think more of what
• 33:37
  Christians would posit, that, you know, we are special because
• 33:41
  were created by God. But I obviously don't agree with
• 33:44
  that. Just to understand your position
• 33:47
  a little bit better, do you lack a belief in deities like a
• 33:51
  classic atheist, or do you believe that God is possible or
• 33:55
  probable in any way? Well, if if you've heard the
• 34:00
  terms like local atheists and like global or like universal
• 34:05
  atheists, like it's like the difference between religions and
• 34:13
  gods or God claims that are based on, you know, human
• 34:17
  culture, like religions that we have on on earth like
• 34:22
  Christianity or Buddhism or Islam.
• 34:25
  What you consider man made religions?
• 34:28
  And. Higher power of prime mover in
• 34:30
  general. Just something that's alive that
• 34:33
  may have actually terraformed the Earth and worlds.
• 34:37
  Yeah, so I definitely would say I'm I'm more of a like hard
• 34:41
  atheist when it comes to man made religions because, you
• 34:44
  know, it's provable that humans wrote those holy books.
• 34:50
  Now, there are, they claim that they could be inspired by their
• 34:55
  God to write the books, but you know, that's disputable When it
• 34:58
  comes to a something that could be called a God, something
• 35:03
  that's a being that's that's very powerful that could
• 35:07
  possibly exist somewhere in our universe.
• 35:10
  I can't. I'm more agnostic towards that
• 35:11
  because I really can't say for certain that that isn't there,
• 35:15
  you know? So that's usually how I explain.
• 35:20
  Well, you, you sound like not only are you open to a higher
• 35:24
  power or something greater or more superior in advancing
• 35:28
  ourselves, but you've also pointed out that you, you
• 35:31
  believe it's possible there could be life.
• 35:33
  But you, you did clearly say, but I don't think we'll ever
• 35:37
  actually see them. And that's, that's fine if you
• 35:40
  believe all that that's possible for.
• 35:43
  And the universe is as old as it is.
• 35:46
  What makes you think that life forms are something superior
• 35:49
  hasn't already visited us? And being the curious, you know,
• 35:54
  species that we are, why wouldn't we write it down?
• 35:57
  Why wouldn't we write what we see and what we've witnessed if
• 36:01
  we see something that is grand beyond belief?
• 36:09
  Yeah, I, I just, I don't know, I mean, I, I don't really think
• 36:13
  there's evidence of that. That's kind of getting into the
• 36:18
  ancient aliens thing. Like I just, I think, you know,
• 36:22
  human history is interesting enough without us having been
• 36:25
  visited by aliens, you know? Well, I'm not saying you got to
• 36:28
  subscribe to that, and I'm not saying I subscribe to it as
• 36:32
  well, but it's a it's an interesting thing to wonder to
• 36:36
  me whenever I read the Bible. I know this might come off
• 36:38
  strange as some religious folks as well as non believers, but
• 36:42
  it's really when you read the Bible, especially the New
• 36:44
  Testament, you're reading a story about a first contact
• 36:49
  between something that is not human that has come to earth to
• 36:52
  actually see us. And I would suspect if something
• 36:56
  wasn't human, it would to try to at least relate to us in some
• 37:00
  kind of way, or make it appear as though it looks like us so
• 37:03
  we're not completely frightened and pooping our pants.
• 37:05
  Does that make sense to you, Steven, or am I absolutely
• 37:08
  insane? Do I need medication?
• 37:15
  Steven's starting to look for some medication in the cabinets,
• 37:18
  but you get my point. It's like a first contact type
• 37:22
  of story. I get it.
• 37:23
  You look at all the other religions and you're like, well,
• 37:26
  I, I understand that. All right, So people have been
• 37:29
  getting on to me out there. They're like, Brett, get into
• 37:32
  the evolution. We want to hear about that.
• 37:34
  We spent some time on the cosmos.
• 37:36
  I appreciate you entertaining me on that.
• 37:39
  So do you, do you believe in abiogenesis?
• 37:42
  I always try to start from the beginning and work my way
• 37:45
  forward on this, the very first process of evolution.
• 37:50
  Well, I, I disagree that it's the that it's directly linked
• 37:55
  with evolution. I mean that there that it's the
• 37:57
  first step in it. I think that obviously the two
• 38:01
  they're two separate scientific theories.
• 38:02
  Obviously they have close ties with each other, but I think it
• 38:07
  is important to have a distinction between them because
• 38:11
  I think that there is a lot more evidence for animals and life on
• 38:18
  Earth diversifying versus the versus a really solid and like
• 38:27
  well understood explanation of how life originated.
• 38:31
  Because the scientists that study abiogenesis, they have
• 38:35
  many different sort of hypotheses about how life could
• 38:39
  have originated on Earth that could individually be true or
• 38:42
  could concurrently be true, or maybe none of them are true, but
• 38:48
  there's definitely just, I don't think there's as much evidence
• 38:50
  for abiogenesis as there is for evolution, so.
• 38:56
  I. Do believe it, but yeah.
• 38:59
  I I noticed that Christians and atheists have a there's a bit of
• 39:03
  a kind of a conflict whenever we're all talking about like
• 39:07
  abiogenesis or evolution. The reason why I bring
• 39:11
  abiogenesis, I feel that this needs to be explained to the
• 39:14
  audience. Maybe you know this, but the
• 39:17
  definition according to dictionary.com, is the original
• 39:22
  evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or
• 39:26
  inanimate substances. To construct any convincing
• 39:30
  theory of Biogenesis, we must take into account the condition
• 39:34
  of the earth 4 billion years ago.
• 39:36
  And obviously science claims that our earth is 4.5.
• 39:40
  At this point. I think that they're going to be
• 39:42
  tripling the age of the earth soon.
• 39:44
  The scientists are saying that they think the universe might
• 39:47
  actually be 40 billion as opposed to 16.
• 39:50
  I don't know. I don't know if you heard about
• 39:51
  that. No, I, I hadn't heard that.
• 39:55
  But I, I, I, I have thought before that it doesn't really
• 40:00
  make sense that the universe is only 13 point whatever billion
• 40:03
  years old because it just, it almost seems to me like it just
• 40:06
  should be way older than that. I don't know.
• 40:08
  Although that's billions of years old.
• 40:10
  I mean, that's a really long time.
• 40:11
  I mean, it's hard for a human to even fathom such a long time
• 40:15
  scale because we have short lives comparatively.
• 40:17
  But yeah, I mean. All right, I agree with you or
• 40:23
  not, it's, it's definitely like that.
• 40:25
  Some of my I, I don't know if you know this about me or you
• 40:28
  watch enough of my videos to realize this.
• 40:31
  This unfortunately gets me argued with by some Christians
• 40:35
  out there, even though I love and adore them.
• 40:37
  But I'm not a young earther. I'm not one of these folks who
• 40:40
  believe that the Earth is like 6-7 thousand years old.
• 40:44
  I'm not really sure if it's billions of years old either.
• 40:47
  But I definitely am convinced that it's not as early as what
• 40:51
  some people I can tell them, my buddy Steven, TPR and others do.
• 40:55
  Luckily they have patience with me.
• 40:57
  They're trying to get me figured out on that.
• 41:02
  Were you aware of this? Aware.
• 41:07
  Say that again. Aware of what?
• 41:08
  Were you aware of that that particular point?
• 41:16
  No, I was, I was reading something.
• 41:17
  I I kind of, I kind of zoned down on what you were saying a
• 41:20
  second ago. Well, that's what they say about
• 41:22
  me. I am the cure for insomnia, so
• 41:24
  watch out. All right, so we got the
• 41:28
  definition of abiogenesis that actually uses the word evolution
• 41:32
  in it. Now let's start from let's.
• 41:35
  We can go into any step on this you want, but at some point in
• 41:39
  time inanimate objects you have to agree would have had to form
• 41:44
  what we would define as life. You agree with that?
• 41:48
  Well, that's that's one part of abiogenesis, but it's
• 41:53
  abiogenesis is not simply like flipping a switch where at at
• 41:58
  one point you have, you know, inert material and then it it
• 42:02
  just comes alive. Abiogenesis involves stages
• 42:07
  where you have the Earth being uninhabitable for life at all
• 42:12
  with, you know, temperatures extremely high in volcanoes.
• 42:16
  And well, at one point, like the Earth would have been molten.
• 42:19
  And obviously, you know, until it cools down and you have
• 42:24
  liquid water forming in oceans you can't have, it wasn't
• 42:28
  habitable. So eventually, so the Earth has
• 42:29
  to become habitable. And then when those oceans form,
• 42:36
  you have chemical reactions taking place and you have a a
• 42:45
  synthesis of chemicals occurring in the water that's called a
• 42:48
  prebiotic synthesis. And then eventually you get to
• 42:53
  you next stage would be development of a protocell and
• 42:56
  cell membrane. So there's, there's a lot of
• 43:00
  different stages that would have to occur before you get to what
• 43:07
  we would call the first self replicating molecule.
• 43:10
  So it's not just a, it's not just like like a rock just turns
• 43:14
  into like a, a living cell. It's, it's a lot of chemistry
• 43:19
  happening over and over again in oceans like water at what do
• 43:25
  they call it, hydrothermal vents heating up water or water lakes
• 43:31
  or small ponds next to volcanoes that are heating up, getting
• 43:35
  struck by lightning storms and then evaporating and then
• 43:39
  raining back down and chemical reactions happening over and
• 43:43
  over again. So it's this continuous process
• 43:46
  that just develops towards eventually the first protocells
• 43:51
  and eventually the first self replicated molecule.
• 43:54
  And this wouldn't be happening in one-on-one location on Earth.
• 43:57
  There wasn't one very first cell.
• 43:59
  This would have been happening at lots of different locations
• 44:03
  on Earth. Presumably so you you are
• 44:06
  convinced because I've heard some non believers actually
• 44:09
  state that they believe that the evolution process happened in a
• 44:14
  certain area and then somehow the creatures ended up evolving
• 44:18
  after all these processes made their way up and land.
• 44:21
  And supposedly our origin is Africa.
• 44:24
  So you believe that there were countless places all around the
• 44:27
  world where this process was taking place?
• 44:31
  Well, I feel like you're kind of equivocating evolutionary
• 44:34
  Biogenesis. I hear the out of Africa idea is
• 44:40
  talking about humans. I mean.
• 44:42
  I know that's why way. Way after it coming.
• 44:44
  Up on land. That's why I was saying the
• 44:46
  creatures coming up on land, do you think they came up somewhere
• 44:49
  else or did they originate in Africa?
• 44:53
  I think that humans originated on the continent of Africa when
• 44:58
  it comes to low thin fish being able to live and coexist on land
• 45:07
  and water. That would have been millions of
• 45:09
  years before humans. The first humans or proto humans
• 45:13
  existed in Africa. So these are big.
• 45:15
  So you're, you're not like Big Mama over there in Commons.
• 45:18
  Big Mama claims that they're still an ape and all that.
• 45:21
  I don't think that I've seen a a straight picture to be able to
• 45:24
  make a conclusion on that, but they think they're still an 8.
• 45:28
  Do you still think that you are an 8 as well or are you
• 45:31
  something different? Well, I'm a primate.
• 45:36
  Do you think you're a primate? No, no.
• 45:40
  No. If I was into evolution, I
• 45:44
  probably would suggest that or go along with that.
• 45:47
  But no, I believe that I was intelligently designed and I
• 45:51
  descended through humans and that's the way it it happened.
• 45:55
  But you said, you said all these processes had to happen in order
• 45:59
  for it to get to the point where it was what it is.
• 46:02
  But it originally all had to start from an inanimate object,
• 46:07
  right? Like rocks, Scrabble, things
• 46:09
  like this, the kind of stuff that we step on.
• 46:14
  Well, hold on a second, because I I want to.
• 46:16
  I want to touch on this thing that you just mentioned.
• 46:19
  So do you do you have forward facing eyes?
• 46:27
  I do. I do.
• 46:29
  Do you have opposable thumbs? Well, koala bears have fingers
• 46:34
  like me too, but I'm not part koala bear, do you?
• 46:41
  Have facing nostrils. I got some big old nostrils.
• 46:45
  You've seen what I look like, I'm sure.
• 46:48
  OK, Do you have a, do you have a highly developed brain?
• 46:52
  Well, some would say so, others would have a a different
• 46:55
  argument on that, but it is what it is.
• 47:01
  Well, I mean, those are the, those are the things that
• 47:03
  qualify you to be a primate. Well, you want, you know, just
• 47:10
  as you know, just as well as I, I mean, like earlier about
• 47:14
  religion, you said I won't go along with that because it's men
• 47:17
  writing stuff down. The word primate was invented by
• 47:20
  men. Why do you go along with that?
• 47:23
  Well, I mean all words were invented by humans.
• 47:27
  Right. So it's a description that men
• 47:30
  made in order to represent what they think that we are or
• 47:34
  whatever. And you're going along with
• 47:36
  that. Why is it that you take the
• 47:38
  words of those folks but not the people of the Bible or ancient
• 47:41
  times for? Is it just because you think
• 47:43
  they're smarter or something? Well, they, they objectively are
• 47:51
  smarter because they exist in a time period that has a lot of
• 47:55
  advancements when it comes to technology, science, and, you
• 47:59
  know, medicine, everything else. So, yeah, we are, we are more
• 48:05
  learned than those people were. And, and they, yeah, they, they
• 48:13
  created the word because you said you're not a primate, but
• 48:15
  the, the word primate is created by people who do taxonomy.
• 48:20
  And they, they, they looked at animals that have these features
• 48:24
  and they say, well, this is what qualifies as a primate.
• 48:26
  And then humans have those same qualifications.
• 48:29
  So that's why Big Bad Mama would say that they are still an ape
• 48:34
  and that they're still a primate.
• 48:36
  All right, fair enough. I usually just go along with my
• 48:39
  wife, and she says I'm a handsome man.
• 48:42
  If she starts calling me primate, I'll have to question
• 48:45
  her about it. Steven, what's your views on
• 48:47
  this? You know that this is an open
• 48:49
  discussion, and you've been awfully quiet.
• 48:51
  I don't want you falling asleep over there.
• 48:54
  I didn't actually know that it was an open discussion.
• 48:58
  I communicated with TTOR last minute and he told me that it
• 49:03
  was a debate that he and I were going to host and he was not
• 49:09
  going to be able to do it until 10:00 PM Central Standard Time.
• 49:12
  And then when I reached out to you to find out, you told me 30
• 49:16
  minutes beforehand that it was at 5:00 Central Standard Time.
• 49:20
  So I was confused. Well, I got confused as well and
• 49:25
  blame it on the allergy pills. What are you going to do now?
• 49:28
  You know how I am, Steven. I've always preferred more of a
• 49:31
  open discussion because I understand from the atheist
• 49:34
  point of view, they've got to get into all these details by
• 49:38
  chemistries and biology and all this.
• 49:40
  This isn't something that is effective and gives them the
• 49:44
  opportunity to truly express himself on a standing for truth
• 49:47
  like channel. I love Donnie, think he's a good
• 49:49
  guy, but having 10 minutes to try to describe how something
• 49:53
  becomes sentient and all that I think is puts a person at a
• 49:57
  disadvantage. I want to give a person the
• 49:59
  opportunity to fully put out their thoughts and ideas.
• 50:03
  Does that make sense? Are you guys cool with that or
• 50:05
  do you like being time? Have a egg timer.
• 50:08
  Next you going tick tick, tick tick tick while you're talking.
• 50:13
  Yeah, I, I I tend to prefer like the open format.
• 50:20
  All right, good deal. What about you, Steven?
• 50:22
  What's your favorite way to do things?
• 50:25
  I like. Those after a certain time or
• 50:27
  what? I like watching debates, but I'm
• 50:31
  a much bigger fan of the open panels, open discussions.
• 50:36
  Well, there you go. What is your views on all this,
• 50:39
  Steven? I know what Kents are.
• 50:40
  I know a bit about TTOR, but where are you at on this?
• 50:44
  Do you agree with what I was putting out there that if
• 50:48
  evolution and abiogenesis is true, then we would have to
• 50:51
  logically assess that life had to come from inanimate objects?
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  If there wasn't something alive for an independent or external
• 50:59
  life form outside of this, then we would have to suggest we came
• 51:03
  from gravel and rocks. You agree?
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  Well, I mean, I, I personally think there's a lot of reasons
• 51:10
  why evolution, abiogenesis, none of it works.
• 51:14
  And they can't ever give a real defined explanation of the
• 51:20
  beginning we'd like. They, they don't like to go into
• 51:25
  cosmology, they don't want to get into the beginnings of the
• 51:28
  universe. So they almost always go
• 51:32
  straight to Darwinism and evolution, but I think that is
• 51:37
  giving way too much ground when there's no clear explanations
• 51:40
  for everything leading up to it. Mr. Junior, you had stated that
• 51:48
  if a person looks a certain way or has a certain structure to
• 51:51
  their body and their face, then they're just like automatically
• 51:55
  thrown into the category of primate.
• 51:58
  I have seen videos of Youtubers who are deformed, malformed, and
• 52:04
  unfortunately have disabilities where some of them do not have
• 52:08
  their eyes in the same place that fortunately us folks have.
• 52:13
  So what would you say to them? Would you just say wow, they're
• 52:15
  mouth harmed, they're this and that?
• 52:17
  Do they get a different category?
• 52:19
  Is there another word that you use for that?
• 52:22
  Are you saying that their eyeballs are not on the front of
• 52:25
  their head? There's people that got 2 heads.
• 52:28
  I've seen that before. Steven, have you ever seen a 2
• 52:31
  headed person before or a baby that's born with another head
• 52:34
  coming out of its head and all that?
• 52:36
  It's. I think the scientific term is
• 52:38
  conjoined twins. Yeah, I don't know all the fancy
• 52:42
  words for it. Thank you, Steven.
• 52:44
  I appreciate it. You keep me honest.
• 52:48
  Yeah, I would think it would be an exception to the rule and.
• 52:55
  So how do you know when you're what my point is, I know that
• 52:58
  that's if people are going, what the hell is Brett talking about?
• 53:01
  How do you know that whenever you're looking back at some of
• 53:03
  these fossils and stuff that they say is a transition fossil,
• 53:07
  that it's not just a retarded monkey or something or a
• 53:10
  disabled creature that just happens to because of the way
• 53:15
  that abnormally grew, that it may have the appearance of
• 53:18
  something as a human. How can you tell the difference
• 53:20
  between a disabled animal and something that you actually
• 53:24
  think you evolved from? Well, because animals are they
• 53:28
  belong to population. So if we have many different
• 53:32
  skeletons of that species and we see that they tend to have a
• 53:37
  uniform form to their their bone structure, then that would that
• 53:44
  would show that because you're talking about one like 1 fossil
• 53:50
  like, or one skeleton like you, you can't just look at 1.
• 53:55
  You have to, you have to look at other, other examples from that
• 53:59
  same species. And if you saw, if you saw
• 54:02
  multiple of them, you would see that maybe one of them had some
• 54:05
  sort of deformities that made it look different, but it would
• 54:09
  still, it was still a member of that same species.
• 54:13
  Well, a lot of the fossils that I've seen, many of them, I, I
• 54:17
  know that whenever I talk to non believers, I say, hey, just look
• 54:20
  at the fossils and all that. But then when you go to look at
• 54:22
  actual fossils, a lot of them are broken pieces of skulls and
• 54:27
  all this kind of stuff. And usually like these museums,
• 54:30
  they use wooden carvings. Like for instance that Lucy, I
• 54:34
  don't know if you're familiar with that Steven, but Lucy was
• 54:38
  considered like a missing link or something, but 90% of the
• 54:42
  body are atomical structure that it had was fake.
• 54:46
  In order for the the other parts that were just in fragments and
• 54:49
  pieces to sit on. They basically made it the way
• 54:52
  they wanted it to be represented.
• 54:54
  You understand what I'm saying? That's just not true, Brett.
• 54:59
  You don't believe that Lucy was put up in a museum or some kind
• 55:03
  of organization with pieces of wood bone there that they made
• 55:07
  in order to hold that thing up. I mean, if you're saying that
• 55:11
  the display model didn't have the wasn't the actual real
• 55:15
  fossil, that's going to be every museum is going to use like
• 55:22
  material that's not from the actual fossil cause the, the
• 55:25
  fossils are incredibly rare and valuable.
• 55:28
  I mean, unless that's not what you mean, but you're saying
• 55:31
  that. No, I, I appreciate.
• 55:32
  You admitting that the fossils are very rare I appreciate.
• 55:35
  Well, they can't. They can't.
• 55:36
  They're not going to display the real fossils.
• 55:40
  But Lucy's her her. Are you saying her actual
• 55:44
  skeleton was 90% fake? Yeah, if you see the actual
• 55:48
  images of what this thing was, there was like a a few like
• 55:53
  pieces of what appeared to be like a rib cage.
• 55:56
  And it was about as long as I'm comparing it to my fat fingers,
• 56:01
  I'm giving it a little bit of validity there.
• 56:03
  And it had a broken, shattered skull that they obviously tried
• 56:08
  to put together, but there was a lot missing.
• 56:10
  And it was like what appeared to be like a little bit of a
• 56:14
  collarbone, just about as big as my thumb.
• 56:17
  Without all the wooden structure.
• 56:19
  It literally just looked like a a small unoverwhelming
• 56:25
  structure. It was, it was nothing.
• 56:28
  It looked like if you were to see it laying on the ground,
• 56:30
  you'd just be like, it's a dog bone.
• 56:32
  It didn't look like nothing until they put the wooden
• 56:34
  carvings together. Well, the good thing about Lucy
• 56:40
  and similar to humans is that we are, we have bilateral symmetry.
• 56:44
  So if they have some of her ribs on one side but not on the other
• 56:49
  side, you can effectively just sort of fill in the that gap
• 56:52
  because we, you know that the other side is just going to have
• 56:54
  a rib there. And we also, there are also,
• 56:58
  like many other specimens of her species, Australopithecus
• 57:03
  afarensis, they have lots more skeletons than just Lucy's
• 57:07
  skeleton. So I mean, it doesn't really
• 57:13
  matter. They don't have they don't have
• 57:15
  the complete skeleton because they have other examples that
• 57:20
  are more complete. That Lucy was just the first one
• 57:24
  found. OK, well you seemed like you
• 57:27
  were a little surprised by what I was talking about.
• 57:30
  Let me see if I can actually get this up on the screen here you
• 57:33
  guys the. Image you're referring to let.
• 57:36
  Me move it over a little bit. Let me put Lucy's going to hang
• 57:40
  out with me over here the made-up version of what she'd
• 57:43
  look like if she had skin and then we're going to take a look
• 57:46
  at that. I just this was a simple Google
• 57:49
  search. It shows what what she looks
• 57:53
  like. There we go.
• 57:55
  I had to stretch out the thing. Let's make it a little bit
• 58:00
  there. See what I mean?
• 58:01
  Little bitty pieces of rib cage there.
• 58:04
  Got a little bit of a shoulder blade going on the let's bring
• 58:08
  up so you can see the skull. Remember I told you it was
• 58:10
  shattered? There it is.
• 58:11
  That don't look nothing. That don't even look like a damn
• 58:14
  monkey to me. That head that looks like
• 58:16
  somebody took a sledgehammer to that poor guy or woman or
• 58:20
  whatever the hell they're claiming it is.
• 58:22
  And there you go. See, how am I supposed to look
• 58:25
  at that and go, yeah, that's that's a how do I know it's not
• 58:28
  just a person or something that was disabled or messed up?
• 58:31
  Not really a whole lot there to look at.
• 58:35
  Well, you know, we're we're laymen, so paleontologists can
• 58:39
  tell an awful lot from small skull fragments.
• 58:43
  And you'd be surprised, right? And like there they, they have a
• 58:50
  lot of human ancestors where they have much more complete
• 58:52
  skulls like Sahalanthropus, Homo habilis.
• 58:58
  Like there's a lot. And again, like her species, you
• 59:01
  know, yeah, Lucy's skull is not as complete.
• 59:07
  But again, like she like, oh, I'm I'm drawing a blank on what
• 59:13
  the big. You're not you're Remember, this
• 59:16
  isn't Donnie's chat. You can take your time.
• 59:18
  If you feel like you got some stuff in a folder or something
• 59:22
  like that, or in Google, you're more than welcome to look it up.
• 59:25
  Ain't nobody time in the OR anything like that.
• 59:30
  Yeah, well, let me, I'll show the image that I'm looking at
• 59:33
  because like it shows that. And shots fired at Donnie, by
• 59:38
  the way, who I love. No, I love Donnie too.
• 59:41
  I'm just saying, you know, some people just ain't in the whole
• 59:45
  time. Deal, Kent.
• 59:46
  He thrives in that type of environment.
• 59:48
  But me, I just, I want to hear why people think the way they
• 59:52
  do. I want to completely understand
• 59:54
  where someone's coming from. And if I feel like I can
• 59:57
  unpackage it, fine. If I can't, then maybe at the
• 1:00:00
  end of the day, you make a buddy or something that's got weird
• 1:00:03
  ideas. I don't know, You know what I'm
• 1:00:05
  saying, Steven. Yeah, I'm picking up what you're
• 1:00:09
  putting down, Brett. You smell what the rot's
• 1:00:12
  cooking, do you? I do, and I love that example of
• 1:00:16
  Lucy that you brought up because like, that's a big jump.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah, we did jump kind of far into evolution.
• 1:00:24
  I usually like to stick with working my way up from the
• 1:00:27
  beginning, get to the point where we start roller skating,
• 1:00:30
  that kind of stuff and growing arms and meat stuff.
• 1:00:33
  I'm I'm just being goofy. I hope that my jokes don't.
• 1:00:38
  My my question that I I never can really get an answer for is
• 1:00:43
  which link in the chain did we develop the soul?
• 1:00:47
  If you don't believe in the soul, then which link in the
• 1:00:50
  chain did we develop? Sentience, or whatever you want
• 1:00:54
  to call that thing that separates us from every other
• 1:00:57
  thing in the universe we observe.
• 1:00:59
  That's a damn good question, Steven, And unfortunately very
• 1:01:02
  few atheists I've ever met, except for like Adam Lohr,
• 1:01:06
  actually agree that they believe there's some kind of soul.
• 1:01:09
  What about you? Do you believe you're just a
• 1:01:11
  walking animated hamburger, Mr. Junior, or is there more to you
• 1:01:14
  that transcends the flesh? I mean, I think the, the idea of
• 1:01:21
  a soul is more of a philosophical, philosophical
• 1:01:26
  concept. Like I don't think there's any
• 1:01:27
  physical place in the human body where you could say like the
• 1:01:30
  soul is located. So yeah, I, I mean, I'm not not
• 1:01:35
  a really big fan of that term, but yeah, I mean, I'm talking
• 1:01:39
  about like when I guess like when did human, when did
• 1:01:43
  consciousness develop in humans? Is that what you're saying?
• 1:01:47
  Yeah, sure. Well, I get similar to like
• 1:01:51
  abiogenesis. It's not really like just a
• 1:01:54
  quick sort of switch that happens.
• 1:01:58
  It would have been a really gradual process where you could
• 1:02:00
  where you have, because you have examples even now of organisms
• 1:02:05
  that have simple, very rudimentary consciousness and
• 1:02:09
  you have humans, you have complex consciousness and
• 1:02:11
  emotions and moods. And so there, there are varying
• 1:02:17
  degrees of, of consciousness, but it's basically just in
• 1:02:24
  taking sensory data from, you know, our environments and being
• 1:02:29
  able to parse that information and sort of comprehend it.
• 1:02:34
  But you believe that there was some kind of variables or
• 1:02:36
  chemicals in the environment that somehow made it to where we
• 1:02:41
  were able to activate these traits and these qualities that
• 1:02:45
  make us very unique. But the question I have is what
• 1:02:49
  the the animals? There were a lot of creatures
• 1:02:52
  that existed alongside of us. They obviously went through the
• 1:02:55
  same environments, existed in the same plane.
• 1:02:58
  Some of them actually ate the same kind of materials and food
• 1:03:02
  that we do. So why is it that none of them
• 1:03:05
  evolved right alongside of us and and got some of these cute
• 1:03:08
  wonderful features that we do? Well, I mean, most species that
• 1:03:15
  have ever existed on Earth gone extinct.
• 1:03:18
  There were, I mean, they, there weren't organisms that evolved
• 1:03:21
  alongside humans. And because, you know, all
• 1:03:25
  living organisms have evolved the same amount, the same amount
• 1:03:28
  of time. Like you can't say that one,
• 1:03:31
  like living Organism is more evolved than another because
• 1:03:34
  it's not, not really how. Well, that's not what I mean.
• 1:03:37
  That's not exactly what I mean. I, I think that you actually
• 1:03:40
  understand where I'm coming from on this, so I won't have to go
• 1:03:43
  into like some big explanation. But I'm, I understand that
• 1:03:48
  science believes that millions of creatures went extinct.
• 1:03:51
  I get that. What I'm asking, though, is why
• 1:03:53
  none of them were unique, at least in some of the
• 1:03:57
  intellectual ways of humans. OK, well, there are humans are a
• 1:04:06
  eusocial species where where we tend to thrive when we live in
• 1:04:12
  societies or when we live in groups where we can help each
• 1:04:15
  other rather than being individualistic and being
• 1:04:18
  antisocial and sort of, you know, saying, you know, like, Oh
• 1:04:22
  well, I'm not going to help other people.
• 1:04:24
  So there is a there's a pressure to model your behavior in a way
• 1:04:29
  that it's going to be conducive to families and groups living
• 1:04:46
  longer, not being violent towards other people and
• 1:04:53
  selection pressors like that. You would have had organisms
• 1:04:56
  there or you know, early humans, we tend to survive versus what
• 1:05:02
  they all try to kill each other changing and environments change
• 1:05:07
  as well. So you need to be like being
• 1:05:10
  able to adapt to changing environments.
• 1:05:13
  It's it's like the cornerstone of evolution, adapting to your
• 1:05:17
  environment and surviving long enough to reproduce and pass on
• 1:05:23
  your genes. It rewards families and it
• 1:05:27
  rewards pro social behavior. That's just one example.
• 1:05:35
  Well, I got the I got something interesting for you as well as
• 1:05:38
  Steven. Steven, are you still there?
• 1:05:41
  That way I don't have to repeat myself from this.
• 1:05:43
  I'm here, but I'll probably still make you repeat yourself
• 1:05:46
  because you have such a soothing voice.
• 1:05:50
  All right, are you both familiar with DMT?
• 1:05:54
  Yes. Steven, are you are you familiar
• 1:05:58
  with DMT? What is that?
• 1:06:01
  What is that short for? Well, I I could try to briefly
• 1:06:05
  do it. I'm not going to use a bunch of
• 1:06:06
  fancy words. There's a chemical that releases
• 1:06:09
  inside of your brain, like if you were to get stabbed and you
• 1:06:13
  found yourself dying, there's a chemical that could release into
• 1:06:17
  your brain that would actually make you have a more peaceful
• 1:06:20
  death where you wouldn't suffer as much.
• 1:06:23
  It's like some kind of, some atheists would describe it as a
• 1:06:27
  a more naturally peaceful way to die for the for the creature.
• 1:06:32
  You never heard of that? Never.
• 1:06:36
  No, I was just planning on dying the regular way.
• 1:06:40
  Well, here. Well, here's the point.
• 1:06:44
  Evolution is not a guided process that according to
• 1:06:47
  atheists, it doesn't have a God behind it.
• 1:06:51
  So at what point in time did nature come up with this concept
• 1:06:54
  of, oh, the creature is going to die, so let me release some
• 1:06:58
  chemicals to make it more merciful for them as they pass?
• 1:07:04
  Interesting. You see what I mean?
• 1:07:06
  I mean, I I'd like to hear your thoughts on that, Junior.
• 1:07:09
  I don't. Know what are the variables in
• 1:07:11
  the environment that caused the evolution of something so
• 1:07:14
  compassionate and unnecessary? Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  I mean, what does it matter? Why would that nature even
• 1:07:22
  construct something like that, whether it's guided or
• 1:07:24
  something's even putting that forth?
• 1:07:27
  Why is that there? The same question could be
• 1:07:31
  applied to Love Brett. Why did we evolve love?
• 1:07:36
  Well, it's not necessary. The non believer would probably
• 1:07:39
  argue it has something to do with bonding and social groups
• 1:07:42
  and you know, in order for us to care about each other yada yada
• 1:07:46
  yada. I've I've heard that before, but
• 1:07:48
  the DMT, the chemicals releasing in the brain to make death more
• 1:07:53
  comfortable is odd and I'd love to hear the hypothesis that
• 1:07:57
  Mister Junior has. Unless he hasn't heard of this
• 1:08:00
  topic before. I've never heard any of the
• 1:08:02
  other creationist bring this up. I thought I'd try something new
• 1:08:05
  on you guys. Yeah, I mean, I I've heard, I've
• 1:08:13
  heard this before. I mean I've done DMT and I don't
• 1:08:19
  you. Have How the hell did you get a
• 1:08:20
  hold of that? That's brain chemistry.
• 1:08:25
  No comment. All right, I suppose it's some
• 1:08:29
  kind of a legal form of way I won't make you get yourself.
• 1:08:34
  Trouble bad. And I've I've also heard that
• 1:08:39
  it's it's something that releases when humans are when
• 1:08:45
  they're dreaming or they're about to fall asleep or they're
• 1:08:48
  getting into REM sleep where they're starting to dream.
• 1:08:54
  I know it's a very, it's certainly a very strong
• 1:08:56
  chemical. I don't, I, I see that as sort
• 1:09:00
  of just an incidental thing that's happened in nature.
• 1:09:03
  I don't necessarily think that, you know, 'cause like I've, I've
• 1:09:06
  said one of the last time, I think that we talked about this,
• 1:09:10
  that nature is very uncaring and sort of even cruel.
• 1:09:15
  So I, I think that, you know, this chemical, if it makes the
• 1:09:20
  process of dying more pleasant, I mean, I don't think that
• 1:09:23
  that's evidence that that it was put there for a reason or that
• 1:09:27
  nature intentionally put it there.
• 1:09:28
  I just think it's an incidental thing that occurs with our brain
• 1:09:33
  chemistry that's not well understood.
• 1:09:37
  Well I I agree with you, it wouldn't make sense to say
• 1:09:40
  nature did it, because if it's true what we're both talking
• 1:09:43
  about here, that nature isn't conscious and doesn't give a
• 1:09:47
  damn about us and isn't going to send us a Christmas card, then
• 1:09:50
  it definitely isn't going to deliberately construct something
• 1:09:54
  like this. However, obviously this would
• 1:09:57
  work for a theist in an argument because the theist can say, well
• 1:10:01
  it makes sense that God realized that at some point in time our
• 1:10:04
  biological clock would run out. That one day we would die and so
• 1:10:09
  we wouldn't suffer and it wouldn't be the most miserable
• 1:10:11
  experience ever and traumatized. We would simply go off
• 1:10:15
  peacefully. It makes sense if you have
• 1:10:18
  something that is loving and actually cares about our
• 1:10:21
  well-being, that makes it as less painful as possible.
• 1:10:24
  But nature? I don't know how an atheist can
• 1:10:27
  argue that, but I'm willing to listen.
• 1:10:32
  Yeah, I mean, not, not everything has to be
• 1:10:34
  advantageous or helpful to humans.
• 1:10:36
  I mean, it's, you know, near death experiences are tend to be
• 1:10:41
  unpleasant. So it's possible that our
• 1:10:43
  brains, it's just a coping mechanism of our brain, you
• 1:10:45
  know, 'cause, you know, the human brain is able to block out
• 1:10:52
  traumatic experiences. It's why some people repress bad
• 1:10:56
  things that happen to them during their childhood, like
• 1:10:58
  that time my uncle took me to Chuck E Cheese's and.
• 1:11:02
  You had a traumatic experience of Chuck E Cheese.
• 1:11:05
  No, I repressed that. So I don't even know what you're
• 1:11:07
  talking about. No, but that is kind of crazy
• 1:11:13
  though, like the way that the human brain, the brain kind of
• 1:11:16
  protects itself in a way. So I, I think it's, it's just, I
• 1:11:24
  don't know. Well, how do you do you have any
• 1:11:26
  explanation even for that? Even with that DMT?
• 1:11:30
  You're obviously right. They claim in psychology that
• 1:11:33
  there's mechanisms that go off in our brain to try to protect
• 1:11:37
  us from traumatic experiences. You know, like Chuck E Cheese.
• 1:11:40
  So where the hell did that come from?
• 1:11:48
  Well, when you're it may. I think it follows logically
• 1:11:52
  that when the brain and body know, like knows that it's close
• 1:11:56
  to death or having a near death experience, it's going to be
• 1:11:59
  releasing any, it's going to be throwing everything at the wall
• 1:12:02
  just to see what like what sticks.
• 1:12:04
  Like it's going to be releasing lots of chemicals, hormones.
• 1:12:07
  Your endocrine system is going to be going crazy most likely.
• 1:12:11
  Like if you've ever been really sick, you know, it kind of seems
• 1:12:14
  like your body is just freaking out, like because it doesn't
• 1:12:16
  really know what to do. Like your immune system and the
• 1:12:26
  brain in that situation. I think it's just sort of
• 1:12:33
  panicking or just, it's just doing, it's just sort of like
• 1:12:36
  that movie Inside Out where they're, you know, they're just,
• 1:12:40
  everything gets all mixed up and they're just like.
• 1:12:46
  See, Junior, I, I follow along with what you're saying and I
• 1:12:49
  absolutely agree with all these points that you put forth.
• 1:12:54
  And if Steven is also listening, that's the point.
• 1:12:58
  I mean, how I haven't heard any scientists be able to fully
• 1:13:02
  explain this in any kind of way that it's at least where it
• 1:13:05
  goes. All these systems that you're
• 1:13:08
  talking about, about when you're sick and, and your body is
• 1:13:11
  trying everything it can to fight and survive, why is it
• 1:13:15
  doing this For did nature construct it to have this
• 1:13:18
  ambition and desire? Why does it even matter to it,
• 1:13:22
  you know? Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:13:24
  I think, I think it's the, that's the reason that the brain
• 1:13:28
  releases positive, positive, happy chemicals after you eat a
• 1:13:34
  large meal or after you, you know, use the bathroom or
• 1:13:39
  especially why sex feels good is because you have in evolutionary
• 1:13:45
  drive to reproduce and, and, and pass your genes on and to live
• 1:13:51
  basically. I, you know, people say that
• 1:13:54
  like, you know, what's the meaning of life?
• 1:13:57
  I, I've always thought that the answer to that is pretty simple,
• 1:14:00
  that it's just the meaning of life is just living long enough
• 1:14:03
  to reproduce and pass on your genes.
• 1:14:05
  I mean, that's a pretty, that's kind of a cold way of putting
• 1:14:07
  it, but you know, that's what that's what we see in the animal
• 1:14:11
  Kingdom. You know, they want to be able
• 1:14:14
  to reproduce before they die, basically.
• 1:14:17
  So that your brain is is a reward Center for certain
• 1:14:22
  things. So it's going to it's going to
• 1:14:25
  reward you when you eat food because that's going to help you
• 1:14:28
  survive. And yeah, so your, your brain is
• 1:14:32
  very good at releasing chemicals to sort of, you know, trick you.
• 1:14:37
  And I think you believe it's your.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah. Go ahead, A weird word tricked
• 1:14:43
  you is. That our our brain can think
• 1:14:47
  tricks on us, You know, our minds can be we can be very.
• 1:14:50
  I mean, that's why optical illusions are thing, you know,
• 1:14:52
  like. Like that weird stuff you got
• 1:14:56
  going on in the background there, which is pretty neat.
• 1:14:58
  Right. Yeah, like, yeah, my.
• 1:15:03
  Question is why is it only us humans who evolved this like
• 1:15:08
  we're the only you know, if you've ever gone hunting and and
• 1:15:11
  shot a deer or if you've ever hit a dog or ever had to shoot
• 1:15:16
  like a wild hog, they are in full panic mode all the way up
• 1:15:20
  until their last breath like they are wanting to fight it.
• 1:15:23
  But with humans, we can be put in the same violent situation
• 1:15:27
  that ends our life and we still have that chemical reaction that
• 1:15:31
  kicks in. In that merciful way it why us?
• 1:15:35
  Well, we we tend to have more complex larger brains than a lot
• 1:15:39
  of other animals are. So maybe they don't have the the
• 1:15:43
  structures to be able to do that.
• 1:15:47
  You know, Steve and I was talking earlier about the DMT
• 1:15:51
  and the release of chemicals in the brain for humans.
• 1:15:54
  But I do tend to. I have curiosity being that I am
• 1:15:57
  an animal person. I have about 10 cats in the
• 1:16:00
  yard. I've looked into animals.
• 1:16:03
  Did you realize, both of you? You probably know this already,
• 1:16:06
  but animals, at least some of them, especially smaller
• 1:16:10
  animals, have a a less distinctive pain filter.
• 1:16:15
  You know how I'm always talking about pain receptor, Steven?
• 1:16:18
  Apparently they don't feel pain as traumatically as what we do.
• 1:16:22
  I know that's kind of weird. You probably seen those TikTok
• 1:16:25
  videos where a dog gets hit and it's yelping or a puppy dies and
• 1:16:29
  the mama's really sad and everything.
• 1:16:31
  But they apparently, if you agree with science, don't have
• 1:16:35
  the same kind of response, at least physically, to pain that
• 1:16:39
  we do. That's what I heard.
• 1:16:44
  That's interesting are. You talking about pain tolerance
• 1:16:47
  or is it or something else? They they give it like a scale
• 1:16:51
  or a level system like cats have like level 2.
• 1:16:54
  They can. I mean, if you step on your
• 1:16:56
  tail, you're going to get a meow out of them.
• 1:16:58
  But it's not in the same way. Obviously because of the way it
• 1:17:01
  responded, we think that it's a lot more vicious or terrible
• 1:17:05
  than what we imagined. But that's the scientists claim.
• 1:17:08
  I don't know. I've seen animals mourn before
• 1:17:11
  or I've seen animals be sad whenever they lose their puppy
• 1:17:15
  or something. So I, I don't know if if
• 1:17:18
  scientists got that absolutely accurate.
• 1:17:20
  I mean, there's the observation and then there's what they tell
• 1:17:23
  you. You get what I'm saying, Steven?
• 1:17:26
  Oh yeah, and I don't know if I would trust the observation.
• 1:17:30
  Right, right. And that is that brings me to
• 1:17:33
  the pain receptors. I've actually talked about this
• 1:17:36
  before, Junior. You believe at some point in
• 1:17:39
  time that our chemicals, we were nothing more than what you call
• 1:17:44
  single celled organisms. Now if this is the case, why did
• 1:17:48
  we need to get to a point where we started evolving all these
• 1:17:52
  things anyway? Why did nature present this to
• 1:17:54
  us to begin with? What chemicals in the
• 1:17:57
  environment initiated this process?
• 1:18:02
  Well, I don't really know about specific chemicals, but it's
• 1:18:04
  more like there are there are certain survival advantages that
• 1:18:11
  animals would have and some of it some other animals might not
• 1:18:16
  have. And animals that can detect an
• 1:18:20
  injury more quickly, animals that have pain receptors, they
• 1:18:26
  can't. That means that they'll be able
• 1:18:28
  to withdraw from harmful stimuli, like if they've been
• 1:18:32
  bit or if they've been burned before they get hurt worse.
• 1:18:39
  And having a fast transmission of that pain signal from the
• 1:18:46
  extremity or the limb you have to your brain allows you to
• 1:18:50
  react more quickly. So these are all survival
• 1:18:52
  advantages that would help these animals get away from danger.
• 1:18:57
  And if you have environmental hazards like the early 'cause
• 1:19:02
  the early Earth would have tons of physical dangers, you know,
• 1:19:06
  So if you, if an animal is in a like, they can learn from their
• 1:19:13
  experiences. So if they have an experience
• 1:19:16
  that's painful, it'll, they'll know to avoid like dangerous
• 1:19:21
  terrain, like rocky ground that's like sharp and can cut
• 1:19:27
  their, their paws or hurt them. They'll know to avoid it next
• 1:19:30
  time if they have a broken bone, they'll know not to walk on that
• 1:19:37
  limb. Like, and these are all survival
• 1:19:39
  advantages. Like pain teaches avoidance.
• 1:19:41
  Like don't touch that, don't, don't go there.
• 1:19:44
  That's why it's in a way, it's a good thing that we can feel
• 1:19:46
  pain. Because if not, if you if you
• 1:19:48
  put your hand on a hot stove and you just didn't feel anything
• 1:19:51
  like you'd really damage your hand much worse.
• 1:19:54
  And yeah, and again, and this, this ties into the social, the
• 1:19:59
  social species because, you know, like he's mentioned
• 1:20:03
  animals yelping, the signals of pain can alert other animals to
• 1:20:08
  help or can, you know, alert them that there's a dangerous
• 1:20:14
  predator. So these are all examples of
• 1:20:17
  like reasons why it would have been advantageous to develop.
• 1:20:21
  Cane receptors and nervous and nervous system versus animals.
• 1:20:25
  It did. Well, obviously I'm going to
• 1:20:27
  agree that it's beneficial for us.
• 1:20:30
  I'd hate to lay my hand down on a stove and that not give me
• 1:20:33
  some kind of response or reaction and I just simply set
• 1:20:36
  on fire. But the problem is, is that what
• 1:20:39
  we're doing here in this conversation is we're talking
• 1:20:42
  about the horse, not the carriage.
• 1:20:45
  Before you even get burned or before the pain, it's almost
• 1:20:48
  like our brain is intuitive, like it knows or it can
• 1:20:52
  envision. Like you'll see something off in
• 1:20:54
  the distance and say, if I go near that, that could kill me.
• 1:20:59
  Even if you've never even experienced it before, somehow
• 1:21:03
  your brain, something in your head says don't go near that.
• 1:21:07
  That's going to mess you up. Even if you never went through
• 1:21:09
  that in your life, you know what I'm talking about, the intuition
• 1:21:13
  of it. Yeah.
• 1:21:15
  And I think that that's probably something that could have had
• 1:21:18
  something to do with your ancestry and the traits that you
• 1:21:21
  get from your parents. I mean, it's not necessarily,
• 1:21:24
  but you know, it's, there are lots of animals that are born
• 1:21:29
  with, you know, instincts like they know, they know to nurse
• 1:21:37
  off of their mother minutes after they're born.
• 1:21:40
  A part of that is from like pheromones from their mom and,
• 1:21:43
  and the fact that they're all so close to their mom after being
• 1:21:45
  born. But still like, you know, some
• 1:21:49
  animals can walk, like giraffe baby giraffes can walk.
• 1:21:51
  They'll get up and start walking like very quickly after they're
• 1:21:54
  born. And I think that's instinctual.
• 1:21:57
  So. But you're, you're saying more
• 1:22:01
  than that, though, it's, it sounds like it's more than
• 1:22:03
  instance. It sounds like it's some kind of
• 1:22:06
  inherent memory bank that is being passed on.
• 1:22:10
  Because if you've never experienced something, but
• 1:22:12
  something in your head is telling you to do this and your
• 1:22:15
  explanation as well. A million years ago, my, my,
• 1:22:19
  whatever it was, grandfather bumped into something and it
• 1:22:22
  didn't, wasn't pleasant for it. You get what I'm saying?
• 1:22:25
  How the hell do you know? Did his memory get passed all
• 1:22:28
  the way through all the transitions to you?
• 1:22:32
  Yeah, I don't know. But the early Earth would have
• 1:22:35
  been just very, very dangerous. And like I said, a lot of animal
• 1:22:39
  species didn't survive, you know, so a lot of them just,
• 1:22:41
  they didn't realize that it was dangerous to walk off that Cliff
• 1:22:46
  or whatever. Like the, you know, like most
• 1:22:49
  species that have ever existed have gone extinct.
• 1:22:51
  So and even if, even if you're you are cautious enough, there
• 1:22:55
  are extinction events that have wiped out huge populations of
• 1:22:59
  animals in the past. You know, the comet that killed
• 1:23:02
  a lot of the dinosaurs and other examples.
• 1:23:06
  See, I have no idea, Steven or Mr. Junior, what it's like to be
• 1:23:10
  a fish. Never been a fish.
• 1:23:12
  Don't know if I ever desired to be a fish.
• 1:23:14
  Maybe for about 5 minutes, see what it's like.
• 1:23:16
  But if I were to stick my little fish head out of the water and
• 1:23:20
  realize that I'm not breathing properly and this is sucking,
• 1:23:24
  I'm not going to make an attempt to get out even further.
• 1:23:27
  You get what I'm saying? Why the hell did this thing
• 1:23:30
  decide that it needed the to traverse outside of its comfort
• 1:23:34
  zone for? Well, the the loafin fish that
• 1:23:39
  walked on land had gills and a set of lungs like Tiktaali had
• 1:23:45
  both. So I mean, yeah.
• 1:23:52
  And it does make sense that, you know, an animal that who lives
• 1:23:57
  in the water, it's going to suffocate when it if it goes out
• 1:24:00
  of the water and it's going to go, it's not going to want to
• 1:24:03
  come out of the water. But if it if it's able to
• 1:24:04
  breathe outside of the water, then you know there's no
• 1:24:07
  problem. Well, I've actually heard
• 1:24:10
  debates between atheists and religious folks.
• 1:24:12
  I've never actually really got into a debate about this topic
• 1:24:15
  before, but I find it fascinating.
• 1:24:18
  There are some non believers out there that claim that there's
• 1:24:20
  some creatures that not only got up on land, but at some point in
• 1:24:24
  time got bored and got tired of the reruns on television, took
• 1:24:27
  their ass right back in the water and evolved into it.
• 1:24:31
  How the hell does that work? Go ahead.
• 1:24:33
  I would like to know how these evolved.
• 1:24:37
  These are rarely ever talked about, but this is fairy fingers
• 1:24:41
  and cattles with holes are born with these so that they don't
• 1:24:45
  puncture the inside of their mothers and kill them.
• 1:24:49
  One, that's pretty well with the variables in the environment
• 1:24:52
  that caused them to develop this, and two, how did the whole
• 1:24:55
  species not go extinct before they figured out, hey we should
• 1:24:59
  develop fairy fingers? Fairy fingers, that's what they
• 1:25:03
  call it. Go ahead and Google it, it's
• 1:25:07
  called. I mean, there's a scientific
• 1:25:09
  term, but if you look up fairy fingers, that'll pull right up.
• 1:25:12
  So what you're basically saying is this creature, whenever it's
• 1:25:16
  like adult size or teenage size, this thing has Freddy Krueger
• 1:25:21
  claws and somehow the thing isn't like that whenever it's in
• 1:25:25
  the womb to kill its own mother in the process, including
• 1:25:28
  itself. While these are baby cows, baby
• 1:25:32
  horses all alike, they're all born with these fairy fingers.
• 1:25:37
  They're on the hoof and then they wear off over time as you
• 1:25:40
  grow up, but all the babies are born with them so they don't
• 1:25:43
  puncture the inside of their mothers.
• 1:25:47
  Did Mr. Junior take off on us? Oh, they.
• 1:25:50
  No, I I just turned off my virtual camera for a second.
• 1:25:53
  All right, So what the hell is this thing I'm looking at again?
• 1:25:55
  You know, I should know this because I do live out in
• 1:25:58
  farmland, but I don't think I've ever seen an ugly ass creature
• 1:26:01
  like that. What is that, Steven?
• 1:26:03
  Tell me again. It's either a cow or a horse.
• 1:26:08
  Goats have them, sheep have them.
• 1:26:09
  They're all born with these, every hooved animal so it
• 1:26:12
  doesn't kill its mother. I apologize for my language to
• 1:26:15
  you Steve, and I know that bothers you.
• 1:26:17
  I need to work on that. Sorry about that.
• 1:26:20
  You're actually doing amazing, but thank you.
• 1:26:25
  What's your hypothesis, Mr. Junior?
• 1:26:27
  This first time I've ever seen something so ugly in my life.
• 1:26:30
  Except for Chuck E Cheese. What?
• 1:26:32
  What's going on here? What is this?
• 1:26:35
  Well, so the hypothesis that that basically evolution,
• 1:26:42
  evolutionary biology would suggest is that like these
• 1:26:45
  hooked animals that evolved from 5 toed ancestors and over, you
• 1:26:50
  know, long period of time, most of the digits that they had
• 1:26:54
  would have either shrank or fused.
• 1:26:58
  And animals, you know, I've talked about this before, but
• 1:27:06
  you know, animals that when they reproduce, their children are
• 1:27:08
  going to, you know, they try the DNA is replicated, but it's
• 1:27:16
  never going to be a perfect copy.
• 1:27:18
  There's going to be replication errors.
• 1:27:21
  And that those are what we call mutations.
• 1:27:24
  And some of those mutations, sometimes they're beneficial.
• 1:27:26
  So you have over a long time, you have maybe these hooked
• 1:27:34
  animals developing the fairy fingers.
• 1:27:36
  And it's, it's advantageous because the mother is not being
• 1:27:39
  killed in childbirth. So the animals that that had
• 1:27:46
  these structures developed would have survived and the ones that
• 1:27:49
  didn't would have died off. So when you ask like, you know
• 1:27:55
  what, what caused this to evolve, like 90% of the time my
• 1:27:59
  answer is just going to be mutations and natural selection.
• 1:28:03
  All right, I I get you on that. My issue with that is that none
• 1:28:07
  of these pictures, sorry Brett, none of these pictures, to me, a
• 1:28:11
  layman, look anything like a 5A5 toed amulet.
• 1:28:15
  It does not look like some sort of super hybrid ancient horse
• 1:28:19
  with five toes. And it would be weird that it
• 1:28:22
  would go from 5 toes to the squid looking fingers and then
• 1:28:25
  back to a hoof. Like, that's kind of weird too.
• 1:28:29
  Well, the the the the horse like horses, they would have one main
• 1:28:32
  toe and then the inside of their legs is where the remnants of
• 1:28:36
  the 2nd and 4th digits would be. So it's like the the the other
• 1:28:41
  fingers would basically have gotten absorbed into their hand.
• 1:28:45
  So it's kind of like horses are walking around on one middle
• 1:28:48
  finger all the time. But you said this, You said you,
• 1:28:52
  you. Your hypothesis was that it
• 1:28:55
  developed this so that it spared the mother.
• 1:28:58
  Right, right. Like if, if there's a mutation
• 1:29:03
  that would have caused something like this to happen that it
• 1:29:07
  would have been advantageous to, to those animals because the
• 1:29:11
  mother wouldn't have died due to being ripped open by the, you
• 1:29:14
  know, the, the hooves or whatever.
• 1:29:16
  But how did any of the mothers survive to have even a single
• 1:29:20
  generation without this? That's a good point, Mr. Junior.
• 1:29:28
  Well, some. It just seems like a miracle.
• 1:29:32
  I mean, I don't have problems with miracles, but I'm a
• 1:29:35
  Christian. But that seems like a miracle,
• 1:29:38
  Like it's a blessing at least. Well, mutations are random and
• 1:29:42
  that's what I'm saying that I'm, I'm not is it 100% fatal if they
• 1:29:46
  don't have these? I don't know, you know, but
• 1:29:48
  that's what I'm saying. Like it's mutations are random
• 1:29:51
  and well the ones that didn't, maybe they died and.
• 1:29:57
  I can tell you, having offspring myself, that babies kick a lot
• 1:30:03
  for months. So I would say it would be
• 1:30:07
  physically impossible that you have a creature inside of you
• 1:30:12
  with four sharp holes kicking for a month, month and a half,
• 1:30:17
  two months even. Wow, that's a bigger miracle.
• 1:30:21
  Like Steven? That's already difficult enough
• 1:30:23
  for a woman to be able to have a baby in her because they kick
• 1:30:27
  like their little Bruce leaves or something.
• 1:30:29
  Give them some claws and it's over with.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah. And, and what you're saying,
• 1:30:34
  what you're saying here is that like, how did any of them
• 1:30:38
  survive? Well, the the mother may have
• 1:30:40
  died, but the child still lives on, you know?
• 1:30:44
  So even if all the mothers got killed in childbirth, you know,
• 1:30:47
  the the offspring would still live on, you know?
• 1:30:51
  No, no, no. Not killed in childbirth, killed
• 1:30:53
  in labor or not even labor. They are killed.
• 1:30:57
  They would be killed in pregnancy.
• 1:30:58
  While they're pregnant. They would die.
• 1:31:01
  They would die inside the mother.
• 1:31:03
  They've died prematurely. Well, yeah, that's what Steven's
• 1:31:07
  saying. They're in the womb.
• 1:31:08
  And if they start clawing away like Wolverine meets Deadpool,
• 1:31:13
  the the mother's screwed. And if the creature's premature,
• 1:31:17
  I mean, what's it going to do, dig its way out of its mother or
• 1:31:19
  something? I mean, what?
• 1:31:21
  What do you think's happening here?
• 1:31:25
  Oh, and I I just visualize childbirth.
• 1:31:29
  Even if you got to that point, you got this clawed Freddy
• 1:31:32
  Kerger looking thing just scrapping at everything while
• 1:31:35
  it's coming out. Oh goodness, I feel sorry for
• 1:31:38
  the woman involved. Brett, Brett, even if you made
• 1:31:41
  it out of the mother's womb and it died in childbirth, good luck
• 1:31:45
  breastfeeding on a dead mom. You know what I mean?
• 1:31:48
  You might get a day out of that Source.
• 1:31:50
  Yeah, you'd get about a day at the most on that.
• 1:31:53
  And then at that point it all starts turning chocolate milk,
• 1:31:56
  right? Yikes.
• 1:31:57
  Oh, unless we invoke more miracles, which again, I'm
• 1:32:01
  Christian. I'm cool with that.
• 1:32:03
  Junior, I hope you realize we're not mocking you or anything.
• 1:32:06
  We just try to have some fun and and keep things, you know, the
• 1:32:10
  ice then kind of thing. I hope you understand.
• 1:32:13
  Yeah. No, no, no, it's a good
• 1:32:15
  question, Steven, I'll say that. But I mean like evolution would
• 1:32:19
  say that the earliest, the earliest, the oldest ancestor of
• 1:32:22
  the modern horse was called the Eohippus.
• 1:32:25
  And they they were, would have been the size of like a a small
• 1:32:29
  dog and they had four toes on their front feet and three on
• 1:32:35
  the back. So compared to like modern
• 1:32:38
  horses that, you know, their, their feet and digits would have
• 1:32:42
  been much smaller. So maybe, you know, maybe they
• 1:32:44
  weren't Wolverine claws. Maybe they were just more like,
• 1:32:47
  you know, not, you know, not so traumatic to be able to kill the
• 1:32:52
  mom. The mom.
• 1:32:52
  I don't know. That's an interesting question.
• 1:32:54
  I don't have to look into that. Well, I'm just exaggerating
• 1:32:57
  because I'm a silly person like that.
• 1:32:59
  But you got to admit, looking at those claws up there, you
• 1:33:01
  wouldn't want that anywhere near your your lovely parts.
• 1:33:05
  That's rough. Yeah, I'm, I'm glad that I am a
• 1:33:09
  man. How about how about this?
• 1:33:13
  This is on the same level as what you're talking about,
• 1:33:16
  Steven. This is something that has
• 1:33:18
  absolutely fascinated me. I actually started looking back
• 1:33:21
  into this if Mr. Junior be able to return.
• 1:33:24
  This fascinates me. They during the time of are you
• 1:33:28
  familiar with Jeffrey Dahmer? Either one of you.
• 1:33:30
  Yeah. Well, they obviously wanted to
• 1:33:33
  study some of his life choices, if you could call it that, as
• 1:33:38
  well as other serial killers. And they claim that we have some
• 1:33:41
  kind of mechanism in our brain. You know how we were talking
• 1:33:45
  about brain defenses earlier? Well, they say that there's like
• 1:33:48
  this mechanism that keeps us from killing everything around
• 1:33:51
  us. Something in our brain stops us
• 1:33:54
  and makes us hesitate and think before being the predator that
• 1:33:59
  they claim humans are. Where did this come from and how
• 1:34:02
  when we were in our our early stages of transitions of
• 1:34:07
  evolution, at what point did the mechanism come in?
• 1:34:10
  I would have to assume it had to be a very at the very starting
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  point or we would have killed each other all the way up the
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  line. I'm not just talking about some
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  wars here and some battles just full on wipe out the human race
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  or whatever. If we were a mouse at the time
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  or a monkey or whatever the hell it was, go ahead.
• 1:34:29
  What do you think about that guys?
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  Well, I think Dahmer was definitely a unique case.
• 1:34:42
  He he faced a lot of neglect in his childhood and unfortunately
• 1:34:46
  he showed the strongest early sign of future psychotic violent
• 1:34:51
  psychopathy, which was killing small animals.
• 1:34:57
  Well, that's usually how a lot of them start out, don't they?
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  Was he actually neglected? Wasn't his father?
• 1:35:02
  Like, I think he was like religious?
• 1:35:05
  Well, he could have been. I think he was a drunk before
• 1:35:07
  that and then became religious. But the point is, is there some
• 1:35:11
  kind of they say there's some kind of mechanism that stops us
• 1:35:15
  all from being like a Jeffrey Dahmer, just going out and
• 1:35:18
  wiping things out without any hesitation?
• 1:35:22
  Where did this come from? What kind of chemical told our
• 1:35:25
  brain, don't go killing your mother just as you come out of
• 1:35:29
  the womb. Don't kill your brothers and
• 1:35:30
  sisters. Be a social group.
• 1:35:33
  You get what I'm saying? Yeah, I, well, I think one of
• 1:35:40
  one of them is probably mirror neurons.
• 1:35:42
  If you've heard of that. It has something to do with
• 1:35:45
  empathy where sometimes, like if for example, like if you
• 1:35:50
  sometimes if you, if you see somebody else who's upset or
• 1:35:53
  they're crying, like sometimes that can trigger that same
• 1:35:56
  emotion in you or cause you to like maybe like tear up a little
• 1:35:59
  bit. That's because of people who
• 1:36:03
  have mirror neurons. It's like the neurons in your
• 1:36:05
  brain will actually mimic the, the ones in the person that
• 1:36:09
  you're observing. And what they found is that some
• 1:36:12
  people, especially very violent criminals and, you know, people
• 1:36:17
  who have done really bad things in prison, who again, tend to
• 1:36:20
  have a very traumatic upbringing.
• 1:36:23
  They they sort of lack these mirror neurons and they tend to
• 1:36:26
  lack empathy. They they're unable to feel,
• 1:36:31
  they're unable to sort of feel the emotions of another person.
• 1:36:34
  And, and yeah, I think it's just sort of AI think it's a defect
• 1:36:37
  in the, in people's brains. And it's pretty, pretty sad, you
• 1:36:42
  know, But yeah, they just have to go with the whole social
• 1:36:46
  aspect of, you know, it's better to not kill everybody around you
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  because, you know, then we, you know, just, I don't know, it's
• 1:36:53
  just not good. It's a need for both people.
• 1:36:58
  Right, wouldn't be advantageous. None of us would exist.
• 1:37:01
  No animal, no humans or nothing. That's a very, I mean, if you
• 1:37:05
  think about it, that's a fascinating thing though.
• 1:37:07
  Something clicked in our brain though.
• 1:37:09
  I mean that's the what scientists say that some
• 1:37:12
  animals, they like to socialize and they group and this is how
• 1:37:16
  they get compatible with a lot of different obstacles in the
• 1:37:19
  environment. But why the hell did that even
• 1:37:22
  was that there in the 1st place for them to be able to benefit
• 1:37:26
  from it later? That's that's where I'm trying
• 1:37:29
  to get at the carriage, not the horse.
• 1:37:31
  You follow Steven. Yeah, but I have a.
• 1:37:35
  It's kind of a fun fact, but also a question that maybe AJ
• 1:37:39
  could answer. Sure, it's an open discussion.
• 1:37:43
  Plus it'll give me time to use the restroom.
• 1:37:45
  Guys, I have a wireless headphone so I can hear you no
• 1:37:47
  matter where I'm at. Unless I get stepped on by an
• 1:37:50
  evolved elephant. Be right back.
• 1:37:52
  All right, so my fun fact is about duck intercourse.
• 1:37:56
  And the interesting thing about duck intercourse is that there's
• 1:37:59
  a lot of. I don't want to use words that
• 1:38:01
  will get picked up in the algorithm, but we'll say forced
• 1:38:04
  duck intercourse. Yeah, I know what you're talking
• 1:38:06
  about. Right, the woman's ability to
• 1:38:08
  reject the DNA from a male duck. Yeah.
• 1:38:13
  I mean, that's fascinating. My question would be, you know,
• 1:38:18
  what would be variable in the environment be for the duck to
• 1:38:22
  develop that? But I mean, I don't think to my
• 1:38:25
  knowledge, any other animal has it and we certainly don't have
• 1:38:30
  it. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:38:35
  It's an interesting, it's, it's an interesting concept because,
• 1:38:40
  you know, I mean, if you have the design argument, then you,
• 1:38:43
  you know, you'd be, you'd say that, well, you have like the
• 1:38:49
  male ducks that they have their, you know, anatomy and then the
• 1:38:52
  female duck has the as the reverse of that, which is not,
• 1:38:56
  you know, it's not something you see in most animals.
• 1:39:01
  It it either, either way, it's, it's pretty messed up.
• 1:39:06
  And the really bad thing is it's some sometimes the, the ducks
• 1:39:10
  will just go after the, the dead ones.
• 1:39:13
  Like they don't even care. They're like profiles.
• 1:39:17
  Well, and I mean, I know that it's a lot more prevalent in the
• 1:39:20
  duck community for whatever reason it is.
• 1:39:23
  They must have all had bad childhoods or I don't know, but
• 1:39:26
  it's prevalent in the ducks. But we exhibited in so many
• 1:39:30
  other species, especially with, you know, humans.
• 1:39:34
  And it's just bizarre that out of all of them, it's just the
• 1:39:37
  duck that would develop that, you know, why didn't the
• 1:39:41
  environment cause any of the other life forms to to do it?
• 1:39:46
  It's just bizarre. Yeah, plus it you think it falls
• 1:39:50
  off once a year after maiden season?
• 1:39:54
  I've heard, I've heard him say that, but I actually was just
• 1:39:59
  looking up that information about 5 minutes ago and it says
• 1:40:03
  that that's a misconception that it just shrinks up to add normal
• 1:40:07
  size. So I'm going to have to do some
• 1:40:09
  more research into that and maybe pass it along to to doc.
• 1:40:14
  Yes, that's see like definitely an important research topic.
• 1:40:18
  Right. No, you're right.
• 1:40:22
  So did Brett say he was going to go one or two?
• 1:40:28
  I don't know. I don't think he, I don't think
• 1:40:31
  he shared that information. So yeah, did we ever actually
• 1:40:37
  get your opinion on when we would have developed, you know,
• 1:40:41
  whatever The thing is that makes us different from the other
• 1:40:44
  animals? Well, what I think is, is that
• 1:40:51
  this is just my personal sort of idea that once you had an Lucy
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  and her species, they're able to she, you know, was able to walk
• 1:41:07
  upright, but also lived in it was arboreal, lived in trees.
• 1:41:13
  And once, once our ancestor was able to walk upright, that
• 1:41:20
  allowed the spinal column to support a a bigger head, a
• 1:41:24
  heavier head because it has a bigger brain in it.
• 1:41:26
  And also when humans started cooking their own, cooking their
• 1:41:31
  food instead of eating raw meat, and that that was a huge
• 1:41:36
  increase in protein and different really beneficial
• 1:41:40
  nutrients that other animals just simply don't get because
• 1:41:43
  they're, they don't know how to cook their food.
• 1:41:45
  And I think that was also part of the why we developed bigger
• 1:41:49
  and more complex brains, because the the thing that makes us
• 1:41:53
  different than other organisms is the size of the human brain.
• 1:41:58
  What's interesting about that though is I mean I agree it's a
• 1:42:02
  it's a new ability that's fantastic.
• 1:42:04
  I'd love to cook steak, but I've actually heard opposite to be
• 1:42:08
  true, that when you cook your meat you lose most of the
• 1:42:12
  nutrients and that the more raw you can keep it to, the more
• 1:42:16
  nutrient filled it will be. Well, that may be true, like in
• 1:42:22
  just comparing, you know, steak, but it's it's like eating
• 1:42:30
  nothing but raw meat and raw plants versus being being able
• 1:42:34
  to eat food that is cooked, you know, because it's also more
• 1:42:38
  sanitary and you're less likely to eat sick from it.
• 1:42:42
  So. Well, you know, vegetarian is
• 1:42:46
  actually a Native American word for bad hunter.
• 1:42:50
  Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
• 1:42:52
  I'm back, ladies and gentlemen, just to let you know.
• 1:42:55
  Yep, Yep. Yep.
• 1:42:56
  Hey, Brett. So yeah, I guess you were
• 1:42:58
  listening to our duck intercourse conversation.
• 1:43:02
  Yeah, both of it was very interesting.
• 1:43:05
  Do you believe that it's possible, Mr. Junior, like what
• 1:43:08
  he was talking about with the Ducks, Is it, do you believe
• 1:43:12
  that under certain conditions on a lab that you could get the
• 1:43:15
  same results of that duck? Because you know that a lot of
• 1:43:19
  humans would appreciate the fact of being able to deject the DNA
• 1:43:23
  from going into them, right? Could you could you recreate it
• 1:43:32
  in a lab? What do you what do?
• 1:43:34
  You what do you believe it's? Possible to induce that you, you
• 1:43:37
  probably heard of gene splicing, but do you think it's possible
• 1:43:40
  to take the ability that a damn duck has to basically forcibly
• 1:43:45
  get rid of that nastiness that's been done on it?
• 1:43:48
  And could it be done on humans? I've seen some weird things done
• 1:43:52
  to splicing, you know, a spliciness.
• 1:43:54
  Steven, have you ever heard of that term?
• 1:43:56
  Splicing. Yeah, it's where they basically
• 1:44:00
  take some pieces and material out of a creature and then they
• 1:44:03
  attempt to put it into something else.
• 1:44:05
  Well, if you look at jeans splicing weird crap, I'll give
• 1:44:09
  you an example of something you've probably seen that's very
• 1:44:12
  common, like putting ears on the back of rats and stuff.
• 1:44:16
  Also looking to remote control rats.
• 1:44:18
  That's some of the weirdest, most morbids that I've ever seen
• 1:44:20
  in my life. Have you ever seen remote
• 1:44:22
  control rats before Junior? I've seen them do it with a
• 1:44:26
  cockroach. Yeah, they hooked up this device
• 1:44:29
  to a rat and did that, and somehow they managed to take a
• 1:44:33
  dead cat and actually put a computer into it and made it
• 1:44:38
  adapt to where they could see through the eyes of the cat on
• 1:44:42
  their monitor. Creepy.
• 1:44:44
  I don't. Where did they come up with this
• 1:44:46
  stuff and what was the point of that?
• 1:44:48
  I. Don't know, it kind of sounds
• 1:44:49
  like RoboCop. It does, doesn't it?
• 1:44:52
  You're talking about the original though, right?
• 1:44:54
  Yeah, I just watched it the other day and thoroughly enjoyed
• 1:44:56
  myself. The newer one's good, but it's
• 1:44:59
  more based upon special effects. I like the more emotional
• 1:45:03
  character building they did in the original.
• 1:45:05
  They were better at that like then.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah, I agree. So what do you think Steven?
• 1:45:11
  Did you ever see remote controlled rats before?
• 1:45:15
  I've never seen remote controlled rats or cockroaches.
• 1:45:19
  That is really terrifying to me because they usually test those
• 1:45:22
  things on mice and rats before us.
• 1:45:25
  But, you know, end game. Well, that is a good point.
• 1:45:28
  Elon's been wanting to put some weird digital stuff to our
• 1:45:31
  brains. Of course, he claims for a
• 1:45:34
  positive reason, to help out people communicate.
• 1:45:37
  What do you think of that? Do you would you allow somebody
• 1:45:39
  to plug a toaster into your head in order to try to get a
• 1:45:43
  response? I mean, I, I, I volunteered to
• 1:45:48
  be a Cyborg, but I, I know that the, the thing with the ears is
• 1:45:53
  it, it can be done for a pretty good reason.
• 1:45:56
  And I think it's like people who have like, if they haven't, if
• 1:45:59
  they have an ear chopped off or something, or people who they
• 1:46:02
  can regrow like, you know, body parts and stuff that people like
• 1:46:06
  people. No, wait a minute, you no way to
• 1:46:07
  do that. I'll.
• 1:46:08
  Appear to be a Cyborg. Why would you do that for don't
• 1:46:11
  you realize you're not going to be able to feel and enjoy some
• 1:46:14
  of the the fun things that adults do with each other if you
• 1:46:17
  do that? Well, I'm talking about just
• 1:46:20
  like it's not like body modifications like having like
• 1:46:23
  steel fists or something or just like not completely RoboCop, but
• 1:46:27
  just like maybe like some cyber neck enhancements like
• 1:46:30
  Cyberpunk, you know, if you play that.
• 1:46:33
  Enhancements, I get you, but you're not talking about like
• 1:46:37
  full on RoboCop, because that seemed like that sucked to be
• 1:46:40
  RoboCop. Yeah, he was.
• 1:46:45
  He was having a hard time, especially when they tried to
• 1:46:47
  erase his memories. Well a Cyborg is just a fusion
• 1:46:53
  of human and machine, so it's made it.
• 1:46:56
  It depends on what percentage you are of each one, but yeah.
• 1:47:00
  Yeah, but still, it would be inconvenient for other people.
• 1:47:04
  It's like those type of people out there like to wear earrings
• 1:47:07
  all over their face. I can't imagine who would enjoy
• 1:47:09
  kissing the can opener, but I guess some people got their
• 1:47:12
  thing. Am I right, Stephen?
• 1:47:18
  Goodness gracious, Steven said. I've had enough breaking.
• 1:47:21
  I'm out of here now. He probably disconnected.
• 1:47:23
  He'll be back. So what about you?
• 1:47:26
  I mean, you know that obviously a lot of Christians out there,
• 1:47:30
  they have their own views. Even though you may agree with
• 1:47:33
  evolution or go along with it, surely there's got to be some
• 1:47:37
  things about it that make you go.
• 1:47:40
  I wonder what the deal is on this.
• 1:47:42
  Maybe this isn't something you agree with or question.
• 1:47:46
  Do you have anything like that or are you just full balls to
• 1:47:48
  the wall? Yep, I believe it all.
• 1:47:52
  Well, I I dislike that there is. I think there's some real
• 1:47:56
  problems with the way that evolution is communicated to the
• 1:48:02
  general public because, like, yeah, like Neil Shubin, who
• 1:48:05
  discovered Tiktaalik and he wrote a book called Your Inner
• 1:48:09
  Fish. And PC Myers has talked about
• 1:48:12
  this as well where, you know, they talk about, oh, you know,
• 1:48:17
  humans are, are actually a fish. There's they're actually fish.
• 1:48:21
  If you look at the categories that a fish belongs to, humans
• 1:48:24
  belong to those same categories. And while I understand that,
• 1:48:27
  like what they're saying, it could, it could technically be
• 1:48:29
  true, but I think when the average person hears that, it
• 1:48:32
  just sounds really stupid. And I feel like it's
• 1:48:35
  counterproductive towards getting people to, you know,
• 1:48:39
  maybe be on board with the idea of, of evolution, biological
• 1:48:44
  evolution, because they hear stuff like that.
• 1:48:46
  And it's, you know, I just think it works against what people are
• 1:48:51
  trying to do. So I I'm not a big fan of that.
• 1:48:55
  I used to enjoy listening to Richard Dawkins back in the day
• 1:48:59
  before he was thrown under the bus by the feminist movement.
• 1:49:02
  I would listen to him. I enjoyed it and all that.
• 1:49:05
  But there were sometimes where like he's got this video where
• 1:49:08
  he comes out holding this little device and he goes, my great,
• 1:49:12
  great grandfather was a fish and, and we are fish too.
• 1:49:16
  And I'm like, Oh my goodness. I mean, even if you believed in
• 1:49:20
  it, it sounds like you're listening to a damn Disney
• 1:49:22
  flick. It was just, wow, he actually
• 1:49:25
  put that out there like that. So I get what you're saying.
• 1:49:28
  They need to express it a little bit more clearer and better what
• 1:49:31
  they're getting at. Yeah, and it's like the there's
• 1:49:34
  the the using the word scientific theory.
• 1:49:36
  I mean that that's caused like so much confusion over the years
• 1:49:41
  of people who are, you know, the scientists use theory in a
• 1:49:44
  certain way. But the the colloquial or like
• 1:49:48
  the on the street version is a different thing.
• 1:49:50
  And so many people will who, you know, maybe you don't like, they
• 1:49:56
  aren't that educated in science yet.
• 1:49:58
  Like they'll say, oh, evolution is just a theory.
• 1:50:01
  Well, yeah, it's a theory, just like germ theory and atomic
• 1:50:04
  theory. Those are all good theories, you
• 1:50:06
  know, But the word, it's not a great word because it's, it's
• 1:50:11
  just so, so easy for people to get confused by it, you know, So
• 1:50:16
  I think there, I think there's definitely some, some problem
• 1:50:18
  with science communication that, you know, they need to make
• 1:50:23
  things palatable to the general public if they want people to
• 1:50:26
  get on board with, you know, learning and supporting science
• 1:50:29
  and, and STEM fields and all that.
• 1:50:32
  And I do think there's some problems with the old
• 1:50:35
  communication. I, I feel the same way about
• 1:50:36
  some atheists too, the way they talk to Christians.
• 1:50:39
  Some of the things they say bothers me or just annoys me.
• 1:50:44
  Well, give me some examples of some of the things that gets on
• 1:50:46
  your nerves well. Like, like the, I think that the
• 1:50:50
  whole flying Spaghetti monster thing is really, I just find it
• 1:50:53
  very cringy. I, I, I don't like that.
• 1:50:56
  And then there's so many times when I've seen atheists and
• 1:51:00
  they're talking to a Christian and like Matt Dillahunty is
• 1:51:04
  guilty of this. And he'll say like, Oh, well,
• 1:51:06
  you know, you have your, you claim that's, you know, you have
• 1:51:11
  your God from the Bible and that Jesus, you know, died and was
• 1:51:15
  crucified and all that. I could make a claim that a
• 1:51:18
  magic Pixies fly out of my butt and blah, blah, blah, and all
• 1:51:20
  this. And I just like, I don't know, I
• 1:51:22
  just think that that's cringy because it's like it's kind of
• 1:51:25
  disrespectful to the person they're talking to, you know,
• 1:51:27
  And it just, I don't, I don't really get down with that.
• 1:51:30
  I'd rather sort of, I don't know, I just find it kind of
• 1:51:33
  rude and stupid. So you you actually you
• 1:51:37
  empathize with religious folks even though you may not agree.
• 1:51:41
  You don't want people to feel like awkward or uncomfortable or
• 1:51:45
  being treated like less than human over it or demonized.
• 1:51:50
  Yeah, like I, I, I don't want to like outright, but be
• 1:51:54
  disrespectful to somebody if I can help it, you know, because
• 1:51:57
  I've definitely had debates over the years where I, I can get
• 1:52:03
  heated at the end and I, I, you know, and I get mad and I always
• 1:52:06
  regret it, you know? So I, I tried to engage people
• 1:52:14
  on their level, but, you know, you can't, There are some people
• 1:52:16
  that you can't really do that with.
• 1:52:17
  But yeah, a lot of a lot of atheists, they they have that
• 1:52:23
  sort of they come up a little bit arrogant, I think.
• 1:52:28
  Why do you? I'll tell you one of the big
• 1:52:30
  things that bugged the hell out of me whenever I was a non
• 1:52:33
  believer. It was when Satanist came out
• 1:52:36
  and started saying that they were atheists and all that.
• 1:52:39
  I was like, why are you pushing that?
• 1:52:41
  Because I knew that some Satanists were actually theistic
• 1:52:44
  where they actually did believe in God.
• 1:52:46
  They just weren't happy with them and they believed in the
• 1:52:48
  devil, that he was a good guy. And when I seen non believers
• 1:52:52
  doing that, that was like that, that's well, that was something
• 1:52:57
  I didn't want to get into because I didn't want to go into
• 1:52:59
  Christian rooms having discussions and then them ask me
• 1:53:02
  how long I've been worshipping Satan.
• 1:53:04
  You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I think I'm going to
• 1:53:11
  have to sign off. I'm pretty tired, to be honest.
• 1:53:17
  I've enjoyed our conversation though.
• 1:53:18
  I enjoyed our conversation too, and I will try to open up more
• 1:53:23
  rooms. If you want to be involved in a
• 1:53:25
  talk with us. It's cool.
• 1:53:27
  I hope that you can walk away from this considering a little
• 1:53:30
  bit. Even though we talked more about
• 1:53:32
  science issues as opposed to theology, We can do that next
• 1:53:35
  time if you like, but it was nice having you.
• 1:53:38
  I, I think that I may have, I'm going to say this publicly.
• 1:53:42
  I would you like me to remove the two videos where I was a bit
• 1:53:46
  rough and hasty on you 'cause I think I might have misjudged
• 1:53:49
  you. If you, if you want, you know
• 1:53:53
  that's it's probably probably for the best, you know.
• 1:53:56
  Well, I, I know that other Youtubers, once they make a
• 1:53:59
  video calling you a snot rag or whatever, they'll keep it up
• 1:54:03
  because they'll get the views out of that.
• 1:54:04
  But that's I, I don't want videos up that just remind
• 1:54:08
  people and starve people with drama.
• 1:54:10
  You seem like a nice fella. Whatever your issue is with
• 1:54:13
  Kent, I hope you work it out one day.
• 1:54:15
  But as far as I'm concerned I don't have no issue with you.
• 1:54:18
  I actually enjoy talking to you and I'd like to see you again.
• 1:54:21
  So I will remove the videos immediately after getting off
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  the show. I got too much lag at the moment
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  though. Oh, I appreciate that.
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  Well, if you, if you go to my channel, if you look at the
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  newest video I uploaded, I actually had a a phone call with
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  Kent the other day That was it was real cordial and Kent was
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  actually pretty polite to me. So you know well.
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  Hopefully, hopefully you and him can work out your differences
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  and issues and then maybe you'll, you'll, you know, do
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  what I'm going to do. I'm going to remove the videos
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  where I was harsh to you. You didn't deserve it.
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  You're obviously a nice guy and I went off the rails of the
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  crazy train on that. I'm so used to some people on
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  these things being exactly like the atheist you described.
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  And it's clear that you have empathy and you actually want to
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  have a good conversation. You're not just looking to
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  humiliate and embarrass people. So that's cool.
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  Thank you for coming and sweet dreams I'll.
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  Probably put this video on my channel if that's OK because.
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  Sure, sure. You're more than welcome to
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  anytime, any. I'm going to put it out of here
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  right now publicly, anytime you are involved in the discussion
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  or you feel like there's some interesting points you'd like to
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  discuss, you are more than welcome at any time to take the
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  video and put it over there. I'm giving you voiced permission
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  even though you don't require it, all right?
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  All righty. Well, I appreciate that and you
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  have a good day. I'll see you around.
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  All right, see you later, man. All right, I'm going to only
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  stick open for a few more minutes.
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  If anybody has something they want to say or that you've got a
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  point to make, you got like 3 minutes.
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  I'm going to go over and get rid of the junior videos that I put
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  up recently. So if you're wondering where
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  they are, I feel like me and him have put that nonsense behind us
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  and we can try to build better communication, more positive.
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  I don't want drama videos on my channel and stuff.
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  And I'm glad we were able to work this cordially.
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  OK, let's see that one and that one.
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  There we go. Let me go ahead and delete that.
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  Let's see. Oh, so much lag.
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  OK. And they are in the process of
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  being deleted. That is the end of that.
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  Very good. Thank you for coming in.
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  Are you sure anybody else even in the text?
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  Does anybody have any questions? Do you have anything you want to
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  say? Let's see.
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  We got somebody says have a nice day.
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  Brett, AJ and Steven. I don't know what happened to
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  Steven. He might have got raptured up
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  and I got left for the tribulation.
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  All right, that is that. OK, Let's see if we got any good
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  outros in this bad boy. I wish I could do that.
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  I would scare the neighbors. All right.
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  God bless.