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Dallas Braden talks LCS matchups + more Shildt exit details, Rockies GM search, Bregman opting out · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Great, Dallas great and joining us right now. You can
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  Speaker 1: listen to him all the time on baseball.
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  Speaker 2: He's dead.
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  Speaker 1: Check out his tweets, he's live tweet and he's doing
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  Speaker 1: watch parties, the whole deal. And now he's joining us
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes for a old chat. Dallas, great to
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  Speaker 1: see you, and I'll ask how are you? But also
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  Speaker 1: how much are you enjoying watching some of these starters
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  Speaker 1: really eat in the postseason this year?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing well, and I have at times had
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  Speaker 3: to almost like quarantine myself off in a closet somewhere
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  Speaker 3: so I can thoroughly just enjoy what I'm watching happen
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  Speaker 3: on the mound, because I got a lot of distractions.
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  Speaker 3: But I look, I deserve it. I think we all
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  Speaker 3: deserve to watch what we are seeing unfold on the
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  Speaker 3: diamond this postseason. And I love the idea that the
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  Speaker 3: starting pitcher is almost circling back and reminding us just
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  Speaker 3: how important it is to have a horse, if not
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  Speaker 3: two or three, that you can run out there and
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  Speaker 3: start the race and finish it as well. I think
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  Speaker 3: if you just look at what we've watched with the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 3: and you look at what we have seen unfold with
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  Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Brewers. You were watching a team I think
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  Speaker 3: in the Brewers who showed up and said, we feel
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  Speaker 3: pretty good about our ability to match up, and you
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  Speaker 3: know what, we'll call them out getters. We've got a
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  Speaker 3: starter or two that we like and we'll label them
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  Speaker 3: as such. But from there, we've got a group of
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  Speaker 3: outgetters and we're gonna get these outs however we can fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: You want to know what the Dodgers did as they
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  Speaker 3: rolled in and said, Hey, look at that. That's a stallion.
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  Speaker 3: That's a stallion. That's a stallion. You know we call that.
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  Speaker 3: We call that a stable. We're gonna open up that door.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna let the horses run. And our stable of
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  Speaker 3: starters have led the charge. So I think it's just
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  Speaker 3: a great refresher. It's a reminder of what you need
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  Speaker 3: to have happen on the mound and how it's unfolded
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  Speaker 3: on the game's biggest stage under the games of brightest
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  Speaker 3: lights in October. The starters reign Supreme.
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  Speaker 4: Dedise is it kind of like an analogy with football,
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  Speaker 4: where the running back or the wide receivers bust it
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  Speaker 4: all the way down the field. And then they give
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  Speaker 4: it to the star running back who didn't get any
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  Speaker 4: touches to push it in. Because there's a case where yes,
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  Speaker 4: these relie these starters have been legit and they are
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  Speaker 4: cy Young Si Young contenders all that stuff. But across
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs right now, these bullpens, they're down there like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I'm exhausted. Wait a minute, these guys
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  Speaker 4: are getting all the flowers, like we did all the
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  Speaker 4: work for one hundred and sixty two games, and now
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  Speaker 4: these guys are like, I've only made twenty starts. Beside Yamamoto,
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  Speaker 4: I'm super fresh. So is it a case of we
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  Speaker 4: don't want to go to the bullpen because they're not
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  Speaker 4: as good or because these guys are gassed.
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  Speaker 3: This is the time of year where if you have
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  Speaker 3: a guy who was starting the ballgame for you and
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  Speaker 3: is showing you because both you boys know right, phrase,
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  Speaker 3: come on, what are what are we looking for? There's
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  Speaker 3: two things that are gonna tell us just how things
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  Speaker 3: are going on the mount for us right the baseball
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  Speaker 3: and the other team. If I'm backing up third, guess
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  Speaker 3: how guess how good things are going?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: They ain't going very well, are they? And if the
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  Speaker 3: baseball is not making its way back to you, Kratzy,
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  Speaker 3: well then things aren't going well either, right because you're
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  Speaker 3: no longer a catcher. You're just somebody who's kind of
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  Speaker 3: directing traffic out there. So I think what it is is,
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  Speaker 3: if we're talking about running plays and pushing it across
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  Speaker 3: the goal line, you have guys that are doing their
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  Speaker 3: job and doing their due diligence in a starter's perspective,
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  Speaker 3: and then you also have guys like look at the
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  Speaker 3: Mariner's bullpen who are running, who are doing a great
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  Speaker 3: job of running the tush push when necessary. Guys like
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  Speaker 3: Bizardo who are coming out and giving you a career
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  Speaker 3: long career career long and innings pitched for long outings
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  Speaker 3: in the postseason at the very end of the season.
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  Speaker 3: So I think what we're seeing is if team, when
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  Speaker 3: teams are doing it right, it's a beautiful concert. It's
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  Speaker 3: a beautiful symphony of the starters and the bullpen working
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  Speaker 3: together in unison. But I think at right now, at
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  Speaker 3: this time, it's we understand how important those bullpen arms
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  Speaker 3: are to us right now and will be to us
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  Speaker 3: in the future here, and we want to do everything
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  Speaker 3: we can to squeeze as much juice as we can
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  Speaker 3: out of the starter if he's allowing us to right
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  Speaker 3: going back to a SNeW going back to a Yamamoto,
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  Speaker 3: when you have a little bit of a cushion, you're
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  Speaker 3: sending this dude back out into the ninth inning with
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven pitches under his belt, not because you're afraid
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  Speaker 3: of what the bullpen can't do, but because you know
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  Speaker 3: what you have just watched unfold for eight innings and
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  Speaker 3: what Yamamoto can do.
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  Speaker 5: All right, So to that point, what does a team
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  Speaker 5: like the Brewers have to do to get back into
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  Speaker 5: this series? What can they do? They're not scoring, so
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  Speaker 5: how do they figure this out?
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  Speaker 3: Afraid? I mean that's where it starts and stops, my dude,
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  Speaker 3: and you know that you got to swing the bat.
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  Speaker 3: We got to figure out how to generate offense. How
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  Speaker 3: do we get on base if it's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be the long ball that's going to propel us. How
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  Speaker 3: do we build innings? How do we make these at
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  Speaker 3: bats competitive? Because I think that's something that has been
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  Speaker 3: taken away from this is that the bats just don't
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  Speaker 3: seem very competitive, and that doesn't seem like outside of
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  Speaker 3: the Churio swing, like, like, what do we what are
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  Speaker 3: we getting? What are we doing? It doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 3: there's much at all Like the I just I go
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  Speaker 3: back to when I'm watching competitive at bats unfold. It
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  Speaker 3: feels like after a pitcher too, you get an idea
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  Speaker 3: of where a guy's going to be able to fight
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  Speaker 3: you off and defend. And then I think what I'm
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  Speaker 3: seeing right now is guys almost cash in at bats.
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  Speaker 3: And it's tough to think that way because this is
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  Speaker 3: a moment in time where if you're the Brewers, you're
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  Speaker 3: a team who just doesn't swing and miss right. You
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  Speaker 3: feel like you're constantly in the fight with your back
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  Speaker 3: to ball ability, but you're just not generating any sort
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  Speaker 3: of threat offensively. And a lot of that credit has
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  Speaker 3: to go to what the pitchers have done, to what
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  Speaker 3: the starters have done.
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  Speaker 4: The Blue Jays Mariners series, What do you like the
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  Speaker 4: most and what do you dislike the most that you've
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  Speaker 4: seen just out of these two games. Not looking forward, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not excited about the fact that, I mean, we we
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  Speaker 3: identified a trio in varshow Clement and Vladdie, who were
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  Speaker 3: lights out, who carried the work right, who carried the
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  Speaker 3: water for him, and right now that's just not the case.
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  Speaker 3: And what have they ran into, Well, they have ran
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  Speaker 3: into some guys for the Mariners who they're getting outs
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  Speaker 3: on the mound. Are they not to the tune of
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  Speaker 3: what I was just talking about with the game even
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  Speaker 3: that the bullpen comes in and picks up Gilbert who
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  Speaker 3: came in on short rest, got through what three three
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  Speaker 3: and a third or whatever it was, and the bullpen
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  Speaker 3: comes in and does their job. So every reason that
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners were supposed to be here is unfolding right
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  Speaker 3: now because of the success that they've been able to
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  Speaker 3: have on the mound, combination of the starters and their relievers,
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  Speaker 3: and they're getting just enough offense at just the right time.
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  Speaker 3: It's a team that was propelled largely by the long ball,
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  Speaker 3: but you have guys like Polanco that are starting to
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  Speaker 3: show up and get big hits at just the right time.
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  Speaker 3: And when you have an offense that has guys like Crawford,
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  Speaker 3: guys like Nailor that can start to contribute. When you
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  Speaker 3: have Jay Rod show up and plug himself into the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the lineup and start to produce in the CS,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking Championship Championship Series, and that's where these guys
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  Speaker 3: are starting to show up and reveal themselves. The lineup
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  Speaker 3: starts to get a longer, so a little longer. So
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  Speaker 3: now you've got out getters on the mound in the
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  Speaker 3: rotation and the bullpen getting the job done. Frankly, not
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  Speaker 3: being able to capitalize on opportunities offensively for the Blue Jays,
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  Speaker 3: That's where the shortcoming is.
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  Speaker 5: We talked to Tyler Kapner a little bit ago about
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  Speaker 5: cal Rally and how awesome of a season he had.
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  Speaker 5: I want to ask you this question, and I'm putting
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  Speaker 5: you on the spot here a little bit. But MVP
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  Speaker 5: race him book, Judge.
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  Speaker 3: Book, come on book you free book.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go look lookkot me let me say okay, let
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  Speaker 6: me let me ask you. Let me ask you, uh,
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  Speaker 6: what is the hill that you are standing on built
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  Speaker 6: upon when it comes to when it comes to judge.
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  Speaker 5: See, I didn't want to be put on the fut No,
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  Speaker 5: I don't care for me. For me, it's and when
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  Speaker 5: not all people talk about but the average to me
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  Speaker 5: is a big component that is and that's maybe that's
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  Speaker 5: the old school way and me thinking of it.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm with I'm with you when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: respecting that. And because I have an appreciation just like
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  Speaker 3: you do for what it takes to be a guy
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  Speaker 3: who can pound the ball out of any yard, out
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  Speaker 3: of any park, National park or Big League park, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. And that's who Aaron Judge is. But that
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  Speaker 3: same dude can also be the catalyst to a beginning
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  Speaker 3: by shooting the ball the other way, by picking up
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  Speaker 3: a stake with runners on second and third. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have a pitch that he can drive, but he has
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  Speaker 3: a pitch that he can shoot the other way. Those
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  Speaker 3: guys are extremely valuable, and when that individual represents the
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  Speaker 3: most powerful threat that you have and also is representative
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  Speaker 3: of keeping the line moving, that matters. So I am
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  Speaker 3: not somebody who just poo poos the average and says, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but let's take a look at some of the other
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  Speaker 3: numbers here. But I am somebody who absolutely appreciates what
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  Speaker 3: cal Raley physically has to do each and every day.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll put this in perspective for you too. Phrase,
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  Speaker 3: there's not a minute that Aaron Judge shows up to
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  Speaker 3: the ballpark where he's being asked to put his productivity
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  Speaker 3: on the back burner for anybody else on his team.
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  Speaker 3: That is never something that Aaron Judge is being asked
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  Speaker 3: to do. If anything, he's being asked to do more.
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  Speaker 3: Cal Rawley shows up in spring training knowing that his
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  Speaker 3: job is to with kit gloves, handle the starting rotation
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  Speaker 3: and get to know the extension of not only the
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  Speaker 3: big league bullpen, but the tripa a bullpen and starting
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  Speaker 3: rotation as well. That will, without a doubt be a
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  Speaker 3: factor in their pursuit to their first World Series championship
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  Speaker 3: in organization's history. And he will also be the one
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  Speaker 3: who's pressing the PitchCom buttons, who's in the squad for
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  Speaker 3: each and every ball game just about so the demand
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  Speaker 3: physically of the position that is something that I also
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  Speaker 3: factor in as well. And when you have a dude
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  Speaker 3: who is pounding the ball the way that cal rally
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  Speaker 3: is more homers than any switch hitter that the game
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  Speaker 3: has ever seen. He's set in franchise records as well,
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  Speaker 3: all wall steering the pitching staff in the way that
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  Speaker 3: he has. There's a lot of dare I call it
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  Speaker 3: value there, and he might be the most valuable player
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  Speaker 3: when I think about what he brings to the table
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  Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 5: I love to hear it. I gotta be honest, you
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  Speaker 5: kick my butt there. Let me ask you this one question, though,
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  Speaker 5: And I want to see what you're saying. You got
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  Speaker 5: to face this year cal Rally or Aaron Judge fifty times?
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  Speaker 5: Who would you rather face?
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  Speaker 3: I would like to face cal Raleigh fifty times? Please?
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha?
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  Speaker 5: Okay? And how do you think you would fare against
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  Speaker 5: both those guys right now?
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  Speaker 3: Right now? Not great?
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  Speaker 5: In your prime? In your prime?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I'm probably gonna have a little more success against
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  Speaker 3: a guy like cal Raley just because I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to have a better opportunity to move the
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  Speaker 3: baseball around on him and beat him to a spot
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to where a guy like Aaron je Should
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  Speaker 3: I even be able to beat him to a spot,
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  Speaker 3: that ball probably gets fought off somewhere. I just think
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  Speaker 3: cal might be a little longer from the right side
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  Speaker 3: and someone that I could maybe crowd a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and just kind of get him in that rocking chair.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I'm gonna have my success against a guy
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  Speaker 3: like him.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: For Judge, that's probably a guy that I I am
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  Speaker 3: going to have to treat like. For me, the count
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  Speaker 3: is three to zero, and I'm trying to get back
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  Speaker 3: into this thing every time, and that is a terrible
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  Speaker 3: way to try to get out.
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  Speaker 4: It feels feels like feels like you're gonna lose on
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  Speaker 4: either one. But I feel good. Good answer there, good
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  Speaker 4: answer that doesn't even argue, doesn't even argue your your
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  Speaker 4: previous point, because Col's more than just the hitter. He's
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  Speaker 4: absolutely what's your favorite what's your favorite postseason moment so
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  Speaker 4: far this year where you're like, man, that was so
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  Speaker 4: cool to watch.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I I there's no recency bias involved here.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Yamamoto coming back out for the ninth
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  Speaker 3: inning because the question mark there with the pitch count
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  Speaker 3: and what we were seeing, and this is where the
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  Speaker 3: bias of being a starting pitcher comes into play. And
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  Speaker 3: I want to see these sort of signature moments. I
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  Speaker 3: want to see these hallmark moments for our game's hallmark players.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a guy who just got bredded up
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  Speaker 3: and brought in. And there were question marks even from
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  Speaker 3: some former big leaguers who were going, really signing that
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  Speaker 3: paid check after not he hasn't thrown a pitch here?
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  Speaker 3: Are we sure it's worth it? CG. CS. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's worth it. I think it's worth it, But I
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  Speaker 3: think it also just does a lot more for the
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  Speaker 3: narrative of how strongly I feel about starting pitching and
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  Speaker 3: what it means to our game, not just in the postseason,
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  Speaker 3: but on the whole in its entirety.
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  Speaker 4: All right, now, I remember back to your perfect game.
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  Speaker 4: I still don't know if you did this or not.
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  Speaker 4: It looked like it like you were celebrating. You kind
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  Speaker 4: of like pounded your chest and it looked like you
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  Speaker 4: looked over and you were like my, like, my bad,
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  Speaker 4: Like you didn't want to push it in their face.
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  Speaker 4: Is that true or not true?
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent true?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, so that's what I look like. So how
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  Speaker 4: do you feel about teams right now when they finish
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  Speaker 4: a team out dunking on them and hanging on the
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  Speaker 4: rim like some of the teams have so far with
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  Speaker 4: celebrations after the game pointing in their dugout. How do
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  Speaker 4: you feel about that because it feels like it completely
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  Speaker 4: contradicts that moment in history for you and what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have always been a big I've always been
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  Speaker 3: a big proponent of trying to elevate the individuals who
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  Speaker 3: are wearing the same color as I am in a
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  Speaker 3: moment like that, And I think from a competitive standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: it's because we've all been on the other end of that, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I think in that moment, the line has been drawn,
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  Speaker 3: the hay is in the barn, this dance is done,
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  Speaker 3: and why would I want to spend any more time
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  Speaker 3: bearing the people or the individual that I just buried,
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  Speaker 3: Like the dirt's on the coffin, that's a done deal.
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  Speaker 3: Like why don't we celebrate? Why don't you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? Why don't we enjoy this over here? And
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I've always like when it comes to Pimp
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  Speaker 3: and the homer, like, my whole thing has always been
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  Speaker 3: you want to make eye contact with me? Well, you
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  Speaker 3: have now made it personal. You have now signed your
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  Speaker 3: name on the dotted line. And at whatever moment that
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  Speaker 3: contract gets called, we'll figure that out later. But you
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  Speaker 3: have signed your name on the dotted line. If you're
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  Speaker 3: not making eye contact and this isn't personal and you're
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  Speaker 3: just pumped, and bro, I'm not so egotistical to not
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  Speaker 3: understand how excited you are in the moment, But you
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  Speaker 3: haven't made this personal for me, So I would then
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  Speaker 3: have to be feeling some sort of way individually, and
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't carry that with me. So when
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  Speaker 3: I see individuals bring in the opponent, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: during the aftermath, and they start to make it about
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  Speaker 3: the I'm just I don't know. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: it's the era that I grew up in the game.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the neighborhood that I grew
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: up in. But those are just lessons that I learned
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: very early, Like they're You're going to have to pay
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: that back at some point in time or another. And
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: maybe that's just because our game no longer allows that,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you no longer get to hold people accountable
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: for things like that. And I think something else that
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: we have to remind ourselves of is each and every year,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: we're getting closer and closer to what we have referred
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: to as the travel Ball era, continuing to I don't
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: want to say infiltrate because it sounds like they're not welcome,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: but I think continuing to populate our game at its
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: highest and most competitive levels. And what we saw unfold
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: on social media ten fifteen years ago when it came
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: to celebrating and bat flipping in Literally, why would you
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: think that that would stop? Now?
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, it's not gonna.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: No, it's going to keep going.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: We're only getting closer to that line. Boys, we're only
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: getting right, like all all the old heads, we're dying.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: We're dying off, meaning we're hanging up the uniform and
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: we're not on the diamond anymore. And how we look
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: at it and how we played it. Frankly, nobody cares.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to hear about it anymore, Right, even the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: guys that are in those dugouts and in those clubhouses.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I always go back to to Big Poppy being very
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: public and open about feeling like he wasn't even welcomed
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: or didn't like nobody even wanted to hear what he
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: had to say in the spring training complex, Like what what.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Outside of the game. Yeah, and you say it like Kratzy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: He coaches high school. I coach travel ball for younger kids,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: and it drives me crazy seeing some of the antics
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: that they do. I tell my kids, you do something
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: like that, you're sitting at least one or two innings
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: like I can't. I just can't deal with it. And
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: it doesn't even matter because eventually, when somebody else coaches them,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: they're gonna do whatever the heck they want anyway.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: But but no, no, let me try. I have to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I have to. I have to try. And brother, you
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: don't need this encouragement from me. My dude, you're back.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: The back of your baseball card looks very different than mine.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: But I would just say, continue to do what you do, man, Continue,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: continue to try to implement and instill the respect for
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: the game, because it's the respect for the game that
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: translates into respect for your teammates and respect for your opponents.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And what they hopefully eventually find out is that's what
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you're playing this game for at the very end of it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: All right, somebody called it a shiny piece of metal
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: one time, and that would be fun to have to
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: But the respect of your opponents, the respect of your teammates,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the respect of the people watching the game, I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: that's pretty important as well. And anytime I can learn
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: those lessons from a big leaguer like Todd Frasier, I'd
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: like to think that I'm gonna shut my mouth and
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: open my ears and maybe learn that lesson.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: You'd be amazed. The kids are, like, who are you
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the parents seven? I didn't watch you play exactly well, Dallas,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: good stuff, dude, always great to catch up. We really
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: enjoy these. Thanks for swinging by man. Enjoy the rest
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of the postseason anytime.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Enjoy October boys, great to chat. We'll catch up soon.
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  Speaker 1: There's more to the Mike Shilt story. Kevin Acey broke
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the news initially that Shilt was retiring from his position
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: as manager of the Padres, and he came out with
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a long article in the San Diego Union Tribune about
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: more details. It sounds like on Shilt's side, he was
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: tired of dealing with the demands of the job and
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that there were issues behind the scenes. There were complaints
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: from people that you know, he was working too hard.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: He was I don't want to say yelling. I got
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to find out the specifics in there, but you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: disagreeing strongly and kind of telling people off. And there
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was a lot going on behind the scenes. And he
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: was asked about that and said he knew about some
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of that, but he was surprised that so many people
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: were frustrated because in this article a number of people
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: went on the record. I mean, I'm assuming almost all,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: if not most, of them, were anonymous, but they're nearly
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: twenty sources, twelve of them who worked with Shilt on
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a daily basis during the season, having recent months characterized
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: him as unyieldingly demanding of his coaching staff and the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: team support staff and is having a tendency to micromanage
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and possessing a quick temper that is easily triggered by
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: questioning or feedback.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Kratz your thoughts. I mean, you played for a long time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is disgruntled employee action or do
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you think that this is legit?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I never saw it be successful. I never saw a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: manager when I saw managers like that, or people in
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: high up roles like a manager would be that would
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: treat people like that, would treat support staff like these
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: people are saying in this article. They were being treated.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: It's never been successful. But what did the padres do?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: They were successful? I don't think the team was. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: have a hard time believing that Shilt was doing this
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: to the team, to the players, but maybe the support staff.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Maybe the guys that you know, guys and girls that
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: work to help make the team run, training staff, clubhouse guys,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you know, coaches, first base, bench, go all that stuff.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Those are as much of a team as the players are.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: They never ever will taken at bat or throw a pitch.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: But if they're not being heard, if they're not being
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: respected in all those situations, it's hard for a team
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: to have success. But they had success. We're not talking
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: about a team that lost a lot of games here.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a team that really was kind of
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: built for this and did pretty well during the season.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: They had their ups and downs, but they had success.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So I've never seen it without success. I've seen it
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: when there's so much divide and the team stinks because
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: it's like, ugh, we're fighting on the field, and we're
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: fighting in the clubhouse, or we're fighting out side of
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the outside of the things that happened in the club
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: on the field.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And the column does say that he was great with
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the players. They were very supportive of him. The team
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was definitely going to have him back, so he was
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the one who made the call and turned down some
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: pretty decent money on the rest of the contract to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: do this.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: All of those details are in there. I'm with Crats
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: on this one. I mean I need like really specific,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: like in this story.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You get not enough, Like Okay, you talk to people
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: within the team, tell me what they said, give me
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a specific example, and I want that in the article
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: right Like, hey, I said, you know, I gave him
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: one little suggestion and he screened with me for five
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: minutes and told me I'm going to get fired tomorrow
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and then didn't. It was threading, like I don't see
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: anything like that that could have existed. But you talk
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to players, they love him. He had success, So I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have a hard time with this. And if you don't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like that, he has you go in two hours earlier
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: than any team has ever had you go in. Okay,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that's a rightful claim, But guess what. That's how he's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: running his operation and you don't have.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: To be there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody has bosses they don't agree with, or many people do,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and then you can leave.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I agree. I'm looking at some of the words here.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: He was intense. You want a manager who's intense. He's demanding. Yeah,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: if I'm a manager, I'm going to be very demanding
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: of people that I work with, People that are players
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: staph micromanaging. Okay, yeah, maybe a little bit here and there.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: But players love them because he cared and wanted the
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: most out of everybody else. And guess what if you
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: didn't like it, why are you there? Like if you
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: didn't like the way he did it. As a manager,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I want control. I want control of the choices I make. Yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: I'll listen to you. But at the same time, I'm
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: the one that makes a decision. At the end of
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: the day. We don't know enough. We don't know enough.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: I could sit here and say all that and I
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: could be far from the truth tomorrow. But if that
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: is the case, if I'm a manager, I want the
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: best at everybody. And if it's me trying to control
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: the narrative, yeah, because I'm the guy, I'm the one
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: everybody's gonna look at and say he was your fault.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And apparently some of this happened in Saint Louis and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he disagreed with front office and all of that. Right,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it sounded like he was much more on the same
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: page with Preller. Preller was not on the same page
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: with Bob Melvin. But for me, I was reading this
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: expecting stories. Yeah, and I didn't really get anything.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's ten, he works hard in too many hours. Okay,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: welcome to baseball. Right. Yes, we could be wrong.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Something could come out after this where it's like, ah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that's too much, But I'm not there yet.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to talk to a couple of
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the Padres players at some point to see if they've
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: got anything, but for now sounds like he was frustrated
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: with the frustrations of others and he was just like enough,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm done.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: This is wearing me down.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And there was a lot of talking that about him
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: being burnt out and voicing that to Aj Preller. That's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: why Preller said he was surprised, not shocked, because they
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: had conversations about him just saying like, this is wearing
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: me down. And he'd been doing it for what five
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: or six years between the Padres and the Cardinals, with
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: just a brief in between.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Last word, But.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: If the story line up from the Cardinals and they
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: line up with the Padres now all of a sudden, yes,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I would like specific examples. I've heard some specific examples
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: from his time with the Cardinals. But let's see if
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: some of those stories line up, and maybe it's something
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: in his next job as a manager. Hey, you know what,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I can work on this. My people's skills with people
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: who are not players are not my GM might stink
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and maybe I need to work on it. Or he's like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: screw that. I know this makes a good team. You
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: either get on board or you get off of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: next stop.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: We love Ariakratz in a good underwear commercial. You know
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: who would love to be in an underwear commercial. Austin Hedges.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yea four million bucks plus five hundred k incentives back
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to the Guardians on another one year contract. They get
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it done before the season even ends. The postseason that is.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I thought that was against the rules.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I thought you had to wait.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: If you're already with the team, I think you can
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do that. Free agency doesn't begin until Wow, I know that, right, Kratz.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not a free agent. He's not a free
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: agent yet, so it's just basically like atension, but he
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: just decided not to hit free agency. Four million dude.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I love when teams lock up with players in a
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: great spot to be in, Like he's one of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: leaders and nobody wants to see that shoot up piece
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: of bubblegum body and underwear commercial for sure.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Not yeah, but it would go viral just based on
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: who he is and his personality and the BOD.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: When talking to Stephen Bode about him, he said, I
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: asked him like talking about the club as Hedge is
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: our leader. Yeah, he does. Everybody listens to him. He's
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: our guy, he says. Ramiroz is there. Don't get me wrong,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: but that's their fearless leader. Great call, great call by them.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: We have one minute left, and I did look up
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the thing we were talking about at the beginning.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: There's always a million things going on.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: At the top of the show, Kratz was challenging history
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and Kratz in twenty nineteen in the World Series, that's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what you were talking about. The Astros were home, they
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: lost the first two games. They went on the road,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: they won three, four and five. But this trivia question
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was about losing the first two games at home and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: then winning the series. The Astros lost those last two
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: games back at home. It's FT presented by Fox Won
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: two minutes here to talk about the Rockies search for
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a new front office leader. I'm proud of Colorado for
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: looking outside the organization.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: James Click is in the running. Click won a.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: World Series as a front office leader with the Astros.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: That's right, That's that's good, and that's what Jim Crane
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: said to him after they won the World Series. He said,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you got a one year deal because I technically don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: want you to come back and I just have.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: To do this.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So Click said, see you guess who he works for
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: now the Blue Jays. It's work, and he's an advisor
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: for Ross Atkins, so I think he would be great
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: for a job like this. Others in the running include
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Scott Sharp, who's an assistant GM with the Royals, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Guardians assistant GM Matt Forman. Both of them have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: been in the game for a while. I don't know
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: as much about them as I do about Click click
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: heard back click. I think that he will be a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: front office leader again soon for Meatkrats.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: This could be a good fit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Scott Sharp's a good one. He's a good one with
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: the Royals. I think I think he aligns with kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: of what the Rockies are looking for, you know, people first,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: type of people. But whoever comes in here, whoever's coming
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: in from another organization, they're going to go in, like
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: James Click is going to go in. From what I've
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: heard about the Rockies, and they're like how far behind
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: the time they are? Some things he might be like, wait, what,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: you guys don't do this. You guys don't have counter
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: reports for the players, but how do you what? Oh man,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of low hanging fruit here. So I hope,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I hope one of these guys gets this job, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I hope he can help turn around that organization because
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: they have a great fan base there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: To me, that's why click out of that group as
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a front runner, even though I don't know the other
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: two as well, because I think you need someone that was,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like I've been in the seat, I won a title.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I'm also coming from another team that was one of
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the last left. And here's what you need to do.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. This is why
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we need to do this to change what's been going
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: on process wise with Colorado.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So I could see that happening.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Plus, I do like Clicks, background krats some teams that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: are pretty front in front of the game in terms
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of tech. Houston, he was in Tampa Bay for a while.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I think you need somebody that's going to think outside
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the box, and Colorado should be a lab where you're like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: we have to catch up and then some we have
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to do things very differently.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It's incredibly difficult to have a consistent winner based on
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the atmosphere. In the most obvious news of the offseason,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Alex Bragman is planning to opt out after a nice
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: first year in Boston. This, according to John Hammond said
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Red Sox return seems logical, but there will surely be options.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And if you want to check out his article, he's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: got a surprise suitor in there. There are going to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: be teams going after him. I know one team that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: won't go after him, the Tigers, because they're pissed. They
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: took it personally that he said, no, I don't think
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to go after him again.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great fit Thereocrats, but I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: think they were really bothered about the situation because they
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: offered the most guarantee money.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Get over it. If you still think he's a good player,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: you were about to get six or seven years out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Of him, try again, Try again.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well all of a sudden, Oh your feelings are hurt. Well,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: he could have helped you. So I don't know that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I I don't know that I agree with it. But
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: there's other suitors. Of course, there's other suitors. And also,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: like he's a free agent, help them help him go
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: and enjoy his time. He shouldn't be talking to other
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: teams yet. He hasn't opted out yet. Let's let's follow
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the rules and I want to see what Boris does
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: for him. Boris, the second year of these types of
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: contracts where they don't get what they want the first year,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: has absolutely cashed in for his guys. So I'm excited
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: to see Look at Snow, look at Chapman, look like
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: those are recent examples. I'm excited to see what Pete A.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Lonzo gets too. So Reregman did everything he needed to do.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: M