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The Deposition Of Epstein's Chief Pilot Larry Visoski (Volume 1) (6/5/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. One of the biggest issues that you're run
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into when you're looking at a situation like the one
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we're looking at with Epstein is that the information out
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there is not complete, and a lot of times it's
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very difficult to track down what you're looking for. Well,
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over the last few weeks, I've been able to get
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my hands on some new depositions that we haven't went
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through yet, and to say that they're fascinating is quite
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the understatement. So the first deposition that we're going to
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look at is one from two thousand and nine, and
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it's a deposition that involves Bradley Edwards, who is a
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lawyer to a lot of the survivors, and Larry Vasoski,
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who was one of two main pilots for Jeffrey Epstein.
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And the format we're going to use is the same
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one that we always use. When I say a question,
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that will be Bradley Edwards asking the question, and when
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that questions answered, it'll be Larry Vasoski that is answering. Now,
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if there's an anybody else who interjects, like mister Critten
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or mister Reinhardt, who are both lawyers for Larry Vasoski.
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I'll make sure to point that out so we keep
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everything framed up and keep it moving. So with that said,
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why don't we dive into this deposition of Larry Vassoski.
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October fifteenth, two thousand and nine. Mister Edwards all right. Thereupon,
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having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined and
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testified as follows. Larry Vassoski, the witness. Yes, I do,
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Brad Edwards. Can you tell us your first name for
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the record? Answer Laurence Vasoski junior. Question and mister Vasaski,
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have you ever had your deposition taken before? Answer by Vasaski?
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No question. Okay, here's the process. I'm going to ask
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you questions. You're going to give us answers. Try to
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give us answers that we all understand that the core
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reporter can take down, such as yes or no, or
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some other verbal answer that we can understand. It's easy
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when we get in a casual conversation to nod or
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shake your head and the court reporter is not writing
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pictures or anything else. Answer I understand. Question. The other
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thing is, and I've been accused of this and other depositions.
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I don't know if it's true or not, but I
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need to wait until you finish answering the question, and
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you need to wait until I finish asking the question. Answer,
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So you're not allowed to interrupt me. Question and you're
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not allowed to interrupt me answer like I just did.
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Question right, mister Crichton, Carriage just snickered when you said
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you've been accused because she recognizes it's true. Bradley Edwards,
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I don't know what the meaning of her snickering was,
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mister Edwards. For what it's worth, if you don't understand
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the question or that I've asked, or if it's a
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bad question, I don't want you to guess. Give me
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the best answer to the best of your knowledge, and
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if you need me to rephrase it, I will bososki Okay,
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question okay, tell me your current address? He gives them
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the address. Question how long have you lived there? Answer
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approximately nine years? Question okay? And who do you live
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there with? Answer my wife? Question all right? How many
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children do you have? Answer to question how old are they?
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Answer fifteen and eighteen? Question and is the eighteen year
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old is not living with you? Answer, she's off at school.
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Question Okay, what school is that? Answer? Syracuse question who
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is your employer right now? Answer nes LLC? Question how
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long has nes LLC been your employer? Answer I'm guessing
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I'd say back to ninety one. I have to do
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the math, but seventeen eighteen years. Question has that been
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your only employer since nineteen ninety one? Answer yes? Question
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and has that been your only source of income since
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nineteen ninety one? Answer yes? Question And what is NESLLC? Answer?
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I don't really know. I mean it's the company that
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my check comes from. Question what do you do for
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NESLLC that results in them paying you? Answer? I'm chief
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pilot for the aircraft and helicopters. Question and do you
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have a specific boss or somebody you answer to at NYSLLC.
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Answer several people would call to schedule flights from the office,
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being it either mister Epstein or you know, I would
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just get a phone call and they would schedule a trip.
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Answer Okay, aside from mister Epstein, who else would be
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there that would call to schedule flights? Answer Leslie question
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Leslie who? Answer Leslie Groff question when's the last time
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you talked to Leslie Groff. Answer probably two weeks ago,
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three weeks ago. Question by Edwards and where is she currently? Pososki?
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I believe in New York is where I spoke to
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her on the phone. Last question, what's the telephone number
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that you call to reach Leslie Groff? He gives them
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the number, and then the same for the address. And
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the address is is three oh one East sixty sixth Street.
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Question and it's my understanding from other depositions that there
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are also apartments in that three oh one East sixty
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six Street building. Answer yes, question and mister Epstein either
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owns or leases or rents certain of those apartments. Is
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that you're understanding? Mister criten forms speculation the witness. I'm
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only speculating. I don't to my understanding, I don't know.
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Bradly Edwards do you know other people that live in
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that building? Answer? Well, it would be myself, Dave Rogers. Well,
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when you say live, explain question when you're saying yourself
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and Dave Rogers to that he's cut off by Larry Vasowski.
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See we don't live there, I mean we have we
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would stay there when we would have a trip. Bradley Edwards.
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Question Okay, when you would fly to New York and
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land in New York, the place where you would stay
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is that three oh one East sixty sixth Street. Answer yes,
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that's correct. Question. That's also a location you've vindicated in
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this deposition. That is the office for nes LLC. Answer yes,
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question what floor suite number is ne E s LLC?
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In answer, I believe, well, I don't know what NESLLC
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has an office there. I know that's where Leslie has
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the phone number where I call, So I don't know
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for a fact. If ns LLC has an officer. Question
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and what sweet number? Then would Leslie Graff sit in
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to answer the telephone number? At answer I think it's
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ten F. Question And when you stay at three oh
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one E sixty sixth Street, what sweet number or apartment
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number do you stay? In answer by Vesoski twelve C
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question And how about Dave Rogers? Where does he stay?
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Answer I'm guessing because it's the same time since we've
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been there. Ten B. But don't quote me on that question.
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Who are the other people in that building that you
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know stay there on a regular basis? Fairly regular basis.
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Answer I've seen people in the elevator that you know
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have been on the airplane. Case in point, maybe Ra Kellen,
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but I don't know for a fact that she lives
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there or anybody else for that matter. Question Okay, when
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you say that you've seen Sarah Kellen on the elevator,
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he's cut off by VESASKI I can only assume that
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she lives there. I don't know for a fact. I'm
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trying to be honest and factual for you, so I
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couldn't honestly say if I knew she lived there or not.
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Question where do you think that Sarah Kellen lives? Answer?
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I would think she lives there. Question you don't have
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a better location answer I don't have another location. Question
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anybody else? Answer not to my knowledge. I mean, I'd
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only be guessing that people live in that building that
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you know. I don't have any facts to prove that
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they actually live there. I mean, I don't think you
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want me to guess. Question Well, ANYSLLC, would you say
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that the owner or controller of that company is Jeffrey Epstein,
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mister critten form the witness. I don't know that for
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a fact, Brad the Edwards. Jeffrey Epstein is somebody you've
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indicated that you've worked for for seventeen or eighteen years
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right answer yes, question, and over the seventeen or eighteen
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years you've become personally close with them as well. Correct.
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Mister Crichton, objects again form Vysoski answers, I don't understand
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how you mean close to find that brad Edwards well
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more so than just a pilot that takes them from
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point A to point B. Answer by VESASKI that's my
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job question right, But you know them on a personal level,
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and that you've had personal conversations that don't necessarily deal
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with flying from point A to point B. Isn't that right?
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Mister Critten form vysosk more specific meaning we talk about cars?
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I mean does that make you a personal friend? Question
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by Bradley Edwards? Have you ever gone to his house
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to eat? Answer no? Question have you ever been to
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his New York home? Answer yes? Question by Edwards? How
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many occasions have you been to his New York home?
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To this? Mister Critten once again objects objective form the witness,
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which is vesask. We normally pick up luggage in the lobby,
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so it would probably be quite often anytime we depart
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out of New York, we stop by the house and
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pick up luggage and head to the aircraft. Other than
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picking up luggage, have you been to his home to
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visit or socialize with them? Answer not the socialized? No question.
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Have you been to the pom Beach home? Answer to
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question to mister Epstein's pom Beach house? Answer right question
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have you been there? Answer yes? Question have you been inside?
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Answer yes? Question and how many occasions have you been
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inside that home? Answer the same. As far as picking
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up luggage, that would be on a regular basis. You know,
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for a departure, we wouldn't always go to the house
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to pick up the luggage, but it made it easier
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for loading the aircraft getting it done prior to departure.
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Question is that the only reason that you've ever gone
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to the pom Beach home over the last eighteen years
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is to pick up luggage? Answer no question. What other
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reasons have have you gone there? Answer? I've set up
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several home theater equipments, you know, televisions and such. Question
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Is that another hobby or job or something of yours?
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Answer both? Question does he pay you for that? Answer
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not any more than my salary. Question what's your current salary.
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Answer at this time one hundred and eighty thousand. Question
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and what are you paid one hundred and eighty thousand
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to do? Answer? Manages? Aircraft question and what does that entil?
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Answer scheduling, maintenance, anything that has to do with any flight,
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whether it be weather, flight planning, time and distance to
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and from a location, any logistics involved in running and
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operation that has aircraft question in addition to one hundred
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and eighty thousand? Does he give you bonuses as well? Answer?
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There have been Christmas bonuses? Question over the years? You
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mean there have been Christmas bonuses? Answer yes. Question is
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one hundred and eighty thousand dollars the most he's ever
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paid you? Answer no? Question all right, were you making
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When was the last time that you were making an
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amount different than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars? Answer
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last year? Question that would be two thousand and eight.
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Answer that would be correct. Yeah, we all took a
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salary cut. I don't know the exact date. It might
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have been two thousand and eight. Last year, it was
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last Christmas. We all took a ten percent salary cut.
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Question do you know why? Answer economic reasons? Question and
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who told you that you were going to have to
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take the salary cut answer Darren Endyke. Question and did
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you ask for an explanation? Answer? He said it was
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due to the economic reasons throughout the country. Question okay,
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So in two thousand and eight, how much were you
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being paid by NESLLC? Answer two hundred thousand dollars? Question
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And is two hundred thousand dollars the most you ever
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made from NESLLC? Answer yes, sir. Question And on top
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of the two hundred thousand dollars, did you get a
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bonus that year as well? Mister Reinhardt, Which you are
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you talking about? Mister Edwards two thousand and eight? The
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way that year, I think we skip Christmas bonuses that year.
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The last bonus might have been two thousand and seven,
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mister Edwards. If you ever got a bonus from mister Ebstein,
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and I'm only deriving this from you using the term
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Christmas bonus? Answer holiday bonus? Question? Am I correct to assume? Sorry?
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Am I correct to assume that if you got a bonus,
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there only was one and it was at the end
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of the year around the holidays. Answer yes, question okay?
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And how much was the two thousand and seven holiday
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bonus answer. I'd have to ask my wife to be honest,
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I haven't seen my paycheck in twenty seven years, so
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I believe it was ten g's question. And in two
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thousand and seven you also made two hundred thousand dollars.
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Answer yes, question okay, answer with a question mark. I'm
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trying to be as accurate as I can, but yes,
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question something pretty close to that answer, yes, sir, question okay,
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So with the bonus it was two hundred and ten
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thousand roughly answer right, question okay? And how long were
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you making that salary? Answer? Probably he was very religious
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about giving annual increases, so I would probably say two
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thousand and six. You know, it was we would get
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an increment increases of five or ten thousand each year,
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so I would say two thousand and six, So it graduated,
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you know. Progressive question okay, do you remember the progression?
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If we start in nineteen ninety one, do you remember
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roughly what the progression was up through two thousand and
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seven two thousand and eight when you were making two
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hundred thousand dollars. Answer No, I wouldn't know the progression.
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Question Okay, do you remember what you were making from
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and was NESLLC the company paying you back in ninety one? Answer?
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I don't know. I don't remember. Let me say it
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that way, I don't remember. Question Okay, how long do
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you remember NESLLC being the payer of your check? Answer
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personally two years, because personally, I've never seen my paycheck,
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so I don't know what it's written on the top
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of it. Question that would be something that only your
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wife would see. I'm assuming. Answer, you're right, since she's
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probably wouldn't know the answer either because she's looking at
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the right column and not the top column. Question right,
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when's the last time you had heard the name NESLLC
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that company? Answer five six years and even questioned what
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it stood for? And I think to this day I
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couldn't answer that honestly what it stands for. Question Okay,
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but is your understanding that the NEESLLC is paying you
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for the work that you do as a pilot or
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maintain the planes for Jeffrey Epstein. Answer to my understanding? Yes.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up episode one right here,
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and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
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we left off with the deposition of Larry Vasoski. All
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of the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're picking up where he left off with the Larry
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Vasaski deposition from two thousand and nine. Question, Okay, throughout
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your career with or as a pilot for Jeffrey Epstein's
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in ninety one, has there ever been a pilot or
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been a time when you believe you were paid directly
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from Jeffrey Epstein personally versus some company. Answer not to
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my knowledge, no question, okay, So whether it was ANYSLLC
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or some other company, it was all of a sudden
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a company name to the best of your knowledge, answer
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exactly yes. Question And back in ninety one, do you
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remember approximately how much you were being paid that year? Answer?
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Fifty five or sixty thousand is maybe what I started? Question? Okay, answer,
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you're going back a long ways question Yes, answer, I'm trying.
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Question your relationship goes back that far. That's why I
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chose that year. Answer right. Question Okay, did you get
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your bonuses even back that far? Answer yes, sir. Question
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and do you remember what your bonuses were approximately answer
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five thousand. I mean that kind of that was the
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starting point. Question okay. In addition to monetary bonuses, were
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there ever gifts or any other type of compensation that
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nys LLC or Jeffrey Epstein provided you? Answer? Yes, question
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and does that over the span of eighteen years? Yes, question, Okay,
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tell me what some of those items are. Answer? I
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remember one specifically was a pool heater question excuse me,
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answer a pool head question? When was that? Answer? Ninety
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five ish answer? Okay, why did you get that? Answer?
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I had a pool built and I didn't have a heater.
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And he kind of laughed at me, saying, how can
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you have a pool without a heater? So he says
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you ought to have a heter. Question Where were you
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when you had this conversation? Answer in the airplane question
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how did he know that you had built a pool?
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Busoski just in general conversation question you were having a
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conversation with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer yes, question and this is
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something that was happening on the airplane this conversation. Answer
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during the flight. Yeah, it would have been like on
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cruise or something. Question Okay, when you say during the flight,
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does that and to this he's cut off by VESASKI again,
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you're going back a long way question. I understand we're
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talking about ninety five right now. Answer yes. Question. You're
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having a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein who is flying the plane?
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Answer the autopilot and there's two crew question okay, so
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you're back in the back portion or is he up
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in the cockpit? Answer up in the cockpit question okay,
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Jeffrey Epstein sometimes comes up there. Answer yeah, just in
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between the two pilot seats. Question all right, is that
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something that was typical to have conversations like that? Answer
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uh huh question yes, answer yes question. And would those
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conversations be directed mainly with you or with the other
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pilots as well? Answer mainly me? Question. I mean you
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kind of described as the main guy or the main
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pilot when you consider that pretty much your role right answer, Well,
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that's chief pilot. Question. But more so than that, if
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there's going to be a casual conversation about a pool
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or a pool heater or whatever, it's going to be
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with you, most likely, if he's going to be talking
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to the pilots, right And to that, mister Critten objects
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again form the witness right, Edwards, Okay, and you feel
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like over the years your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein has
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been pretty good? Answer? Yeah, question, and you've been closer
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to him over the years as you've grown to know him,
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mister Critten form witness the same throughout the same year.
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We never got any closer than ninety one than I
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am with him now. I'm very professional at what I do,
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and I know the line between being professional and thinking
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you're somebody's buddy. Edwards, Okay, so that's not something that
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you think you are. You don't think you're his buddy?
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Answer no, sir. Question do you consider yourself as friend? Answer?
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I believe so. Question Do you think he considers you
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his friend? Answer? I think so? Question all right, What
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makes you think that, mister Critten speculation Vysoski. He's always
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been kind and respectful. Mister Edwards ever invited you to dinner? Vysoski, No, sir. Question.
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Have you ever associated or socialized with him during the
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day at any of the homes? Answer? Only during business reasons.
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Question Okay, what are the other are the places that
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you believe that mister Epstein owns? I know we've talked
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about Manhattan, the Manhattan house. But I've read articles about
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Palm Beach mansion. But what about other places that you
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are familiar with? Mister critten Form, predicate speculation, Vysoski to
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answer it honestly, I don't know specifically what he owns
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or that he owns any of the residences. To be honest,
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I would assume that he owns, So if you want
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me to answer honestly, I don't know that he owns
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any of the other Mister Edwards, Okay, well, what would
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be the basis for your assumption that he owned the
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home in Palm Beach? Answer? He goes there, But I
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don't assume you don't have to own a house to
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go to it. Question and not only goes does he
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oh there? You're aware that he spends the night there?
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He resides there sometimes? Correct answer yes, question when he's
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in Palm Beach? Answer he sleeps? Question sleeps right? When
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he's in New York? Do you know where he sleeps? Answer? No, question,
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But you've been to a particular house in New York
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that's very large house that we've all read about that
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you've picked up luggage at right. Answer yes, sir, mister
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critten Form, Edwards and that home. Do you know that
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I know that you're saying that you haven't done a
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public record search to make sure that Jeffrey Epstein owns it.
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Answer yeah, question, but you assume that he does. Answer
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assuming question that's where he sleeps when he's in New York.
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Mister Critten objects again, form the witness. I assume Bradley Edwards,
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that's where his luggage is when you pick it up.
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Answer doesn't mean he owns it. Question right, but that's
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where it is? Answer yes, sir. Question do you know
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of anybody else who owns that home in New York?
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Answer no? Question okay, have you ever been to his
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ranch in New Mexico? Answer yes to this. Mister Critten
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objects again, form Brad Edwards. How many times have you
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been to his ranch in New Mexico? Criton once again,
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objects form and predicate Vesoski answers a guesstimant fifty times
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only due to the fact that we would fly there,
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Brad Edwards. And where would you land? Answer depending upon
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the aircraft, either Albuquerque or Santa Fe. Question are those
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private airports? Answer public? Question public? Okay? Are there any
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private landing places where you would land? Any planes in
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New Mexico. Answer there are question that you have landed?
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Answer that I have question his airplane? Answer yes, question
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error answer, we have a forty five hundred foot strip
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on the ranch. Question when you say we yourself and somebody?
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Answer the company? Question what company? Answer? Well, I should
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say I see where you're going with that. The ranch
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owns whoever owns the ranch? The ranch has a runway
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on it. Question Okay, so you've landed an airplane on
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that runway? Answer that ranch? Yes. Question how many times
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do you think you've landed there? Answer ten? Question all right,
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and you've been inside the ranch? Just interject a private runway.
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What does that mean to you? Well? Privacy right? Can
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you imagine what Jeffrey Epstein was doing in Zoro Ranch?
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Answer yes, mister Critten. Form to the last question, mister Reinhardt.
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Can you clarify the physical ranch or the residence or
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the structure on the ranch? Mister Edwards, I don't have
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a good visual appreciation for it. Question why don't you
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describe it in your own work words? What this ranch
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that we are talking about looks like? And I've heard
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it referred to aszor a ranch? Have you heard that. Answer,
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I've heard that. Question. That's the ranch we're all familiar with.
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We're talking about where the runway is in everything else?
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Answer yes, question describe it in your own words, the
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landscaping of the ranch. What do we have on it? Answer?
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There's a house up on the hill, a large house.
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Question how big big? I've read forty thousand square feet
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in the paper. Question have you been to it? Yes?
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Question does that seem like it's feasible? Approximately forty thousand? Answer?
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I think so. Question what else do we have on it? Answer?
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There's a compound that has kind of a motel room type.
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They call it a bunk house. Question. Where's the bunk
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house located? Answer at the entrance to the ranch? Question okay,
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and what is that primarily used for? Answer for people
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that work at the ranch there reside there. It's also
23:58
a place where anybody that traveled on the airplane would stay.
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It's kind of like, you know, a hotel room. Answer.
24:04
And how far is that from the first house that
24:06
you described the forty thousand square foot house? Answer it's
24:10
probably four miles. Question? Okay, so the Zoro Ranch is
24:14
a rather large area of property. Answer yes. Question and
24:18
how many times. I know we just talked about how
24:21
many times you've been to the house, But how many
24:23
times have you been on the ranch in New Mexico,
24:26
the Zoro Ranch? Answer thirty to fifty times over the years.
24:31
That's a guestimate. Question is that over When was the
24:35
first time that you went to the ranch? A guess.
24:38
I don't know when it was actually our first trip,
24:40
but ninety five ninety four? Question okay, And do you
24:44
believe that Jeffrey Epstein and or a corporation owned or
24:47
control by him to be the sole owner of that ranch? Answer?
24:51
I don't know any of those details. Question have you
24:54
ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein about who owns that ranch?
24:57
Answer no. Question do you know of anybody else who
25:00
may own that ranch? Answer not to my knowledge? Question
25:04
other than Jeffrey Epstein, do you know of anybody else
25:07
who regularly stays when they're in New Mexico? Answer not
25:11
to my knowledge. Question does Jeffrey Epstein stay there when
25:16
you're in New Mexico? Answer he has question and he
25:20
has a key to the place. Answer I don't know
25:22
if there's a key question one way or another he
25:25
gets in right. Answer yes, sir, question and he sleeps there?
25:30
Answer yes, question okay, answer I assume he does. Question
25:34
I assume he sleeps I do I think? Question Okay,
25:38
mister Critten, this is really Edwards just keeps on plowing
25:42
other than the pool heater in ninety five? Have you
25:44
ever received any other gifts on top of the compensation
25:47
from mister Epstein? Answer? I did get land on the
25:51
ranch to build a house. Question what do you mean
25:53
you got land on the ranch? Answer? He needed me
25:56
land to build a home. Question when was that? Answer?
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Years ago at least? Question do you know if he's
26:02
ever needed anyone else in this world land on the
26:05
ranch to build a home? Answer not to my knowledge.
26:08
Question why did he do that? Answer? We would vacation
26:12
out there, and my wife fell in love with New
26:14
Mexico and we were looking for property. Question and did
26:19
you talk to him about that? Answer? Yes, he knew that.
26:22
I was aware that he knew that he was looking
26:24
for a home, and he says, well, I have so
26:26
much land I could give you a spot to build on,
26:29
So I built the house. Question so how long has
26:32
a home actually been on that property? Answer nine years.
26:36
Question and that's a home that you own? Question yes, sir.
26:40
Question and that's a home that was When you say
26:44
I own it, is there a mortgage on it? Or
26:47
did he give it to you free and clear? Answer? No, No,
26:50
I paid for the house. I made payments on it.
26:52
Question all right, so what did he actually give you?
26:55
Answer forty acres of land? Question that you did not
26:58
have to pay for? Answer you know, I'd have to
27:00
go back and look. I think I had to pay
27:02
something for it. I don't remember. Question how often have
27:06
you visited that piece that home that you own? Answer?
27:10
My wife would spend summers out there with the kids.
27:13
Question okay, but that's on Zoro Ranch. Answer yes. Question
27:17
so in addition to the fifty or so times you've
27:19
been to Zorra Ranch, you've been to your property that's
27:22
on Zoro Ranch. Answer yes, which over the years, it's
27:26
once a year visit, So I mean it's included in
27:28
the fifty times that I've been there. Question okay, And
27:31
did you have a conversation with them that led him
27:34
to giving you or gifting you the forty acres? Answer?
27:37
We talked about it because he knew I was looking
27:39
for a home out there. Question okay, in gifting you
27:42
that land, did you consider yourself at that point in
27:44
time to be more than just as pilot, as more
27:47
of a friend. Answer no, you're using the word gifting.
27:51
I paid for the land. I don't recall what it was,
27:54
But you use the word friend. I don't know what
27:57
sure he was a friend? I mean? Question, well, did
28:00
he give David Rodgers any land out in New Mexico's ranch? Answer? No?
28:05
Question okay, when you said you paid for it, I
28:08
thought I asked that question, did you pay for the
28:10
forty acres? I thought your answer was I don't know.
28:13
I'd have to go and look. Are you saying now
28:15
that you did pay for that land? Answer? I don't remember.
28:19
If there was a sum of money, it was just
28:21
for you know, the legal purpose of a transfer of
28:24
ownership of the land. Question okay, if it was a
28:27
substantial amount of money, that's something that you would have remembered. Answer, oh, exactly, No,
28:32
it was not a substantial amount. Question do you remember
28:36
approximately how much money you had to give Jeffrey for
28:38
the land? Answer? I would only be guessing. I might
28:41
have been five dollars. To my knowledge, I don't remember.
28:44
Question Okay, So what I'm saying is he gave you
28:47
the land. He may have actually given you the land.
28:50
Answer sure, question okay, and to the best of your knowledge,
28:53
he's never given anyone else land out there. Answer not
28:57
to my knowledge. To that, mister written once again objects
29:02
to the form. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
29:04
right here, and in the next episode we're gonna pick
29:07
up where we left off. All of the information that
29:09
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
29:13
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
29:16
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
29:19
the Larry Vasaski deposition from two thousand and nine, and
29:24
once again it's Brad Edwards asking the questions and Larry
29:27
Vasaski doing the answering. Question Okay, I don't want to
29:31
split hairs. You obviously thought about that answer before giving it.
29:36
What other items are you thinking about that he's given
29:38
to you or cut you a discount on, or otherwise
29:42
that you feel was compensation for you working for him?
29:45
Answer by Vsaski, I drive a company car. Question okay,
29:50
we'll kind of car. Answer a hummer question. You say
29:53
a company car that's owned by NEYSLLC. Answer No, I
29:57
think the registration has Zoro Development on it. Question what
30:01
Zoro Development? Answer? I believe that's the ranch, or at
30:05
least it has the name of the ranch. I don't
30:07
know what the entity is. Question And it's your understanding
30:10
that that's the company vehicle? Answer yes. Question And where's
30:15
that vehicle? Primarily garaged? Answer at my home? Question in
30:19
West pom Beach or in Zoro Ranch? Answer no, here
30:23
in West pom Beach. Question all right, And is there
30:26
only one company vehicle that you're issued? Answer yes, sir.
30:30
Question and is that something that was that you did
30:33
not have to pay for? Answer no, it's just something
30:36
I drive. I mean, it's not titled to me or
30:39
anything like that. It's just a car. Question all right,
30:43
you've worked for him for eighteen years. I don't even
30:46
know how long the Hummer would last, but presumably that's
30:49
not the car you've had over the eighteen years. Have
30:52
you always had a company car? Answer no, I haven't.
30:55
Question when did you get the Hummer? Answer probably three
30:58
years ago. Question do any other members of mister Epstein's
31:02
piloting team have company cars? Answer no? Question only you
31:09
answer yes. Question and do you know how that decision
31:12
was made to get you a company vehicle? Answer no.
31:15
Question what do you use the vehicle for? Answer to
31:19
and from the airport question all right, do you use
31:22
it for personal reasons? Also answer I guess so? Question
31:25
I mean that's your primary vehicle? Answer yes, or I
31:28
drive my wife's car. Question which is it? Answer type
31:32
of car? Question yes? Answer a Mercedes? Question and is
31:38
that something that was also a gift from mister Epstein?
31:41
Answer no, sir, question what type of Mercedes is it?
31:44
Answer a mL four thirty ten years old? Question all right,
31:49
are there any other items company car, the land in
31:52
New Mexico, the pool heater, any other items that mister
31:55
Epstein has given you over time as compensation or reward
31:58
or anything else? Answer no, sir, question, and your only
32:02
income is from mister Epstein and his companies. Answer correct question. Okay,
32:08
and it's been that way since ninety one. Answer yes.
32:11
Question how did you meet mister Epstein or become involved
32:14
with him in nineteen ninety one? Answer we heard at
32:18
the airport that mister Epstein was purchasing an airplane when
32:21
Dave Rogers and myself were living in Columbus, And we
32:24
have the opportunity to interview with them, and we did
32:26
and we got the job. Question and this is before
32:30
he owned the airplane? Answer yes, question and which airplane
32:37
was that? Answer the Hawker question? Does he still have
32:40
the Hawker? Answer no question. How long did he have
32:43
the plane? Answer five years? Guess himant four or five years?
32:48
Question so sometime in the mid nineties. Answer yes. Question
32:52
did you keep any type of logs or documentation as
32:55
to who would have been flying on the airplane if
32:57
you transported any individuals? Answer the same logs as you possess.
33:01
Are the flight logs? Question? Okay? Answer that standard for
33:05
the industry question, So that's something that you kept or
33:09
that Dave Rogers kept. Answer Dave Rogers question, Okay, if
33:13
there are any documents out there with names of passengers
33:17
any of the flights involving planes owned or controlled by
33:19
Jeffrey Epstein and or his companies, those would be documents
33:23
in the possession of Dave Rogers and not yourself. Answer
33:28
the corporation. Actually they belong to question okay. And to this,
33:34
mister Rhinhart interjects, that was the compound question. You might
33:38
want to split it in half. Mister Edward's okay, question,
33:42
what documents do you believe exist that indicate names of
33:45
individuals that have been passengers on mister Epstein's airplanes. Mister Einhardt,
33:50
are we going all the way back to ninety one
33:53
to the present? Mister Edwards? Sure, the witness Busoski you're
33:57
talking about the Hawker Edwards any airplane. What documents would
34:02
there be? Answer? They would be the same. Flight logs
34:05
and passenger manifest would exist. Question and are either of
34:09
those required? Answer? The flight logs required for the aircraft
34:12
to track time and landings. Question and then the flight
34:16
logs are required that you designate the names of the passengers.
34:19
Answer no, question, that's just something that Dave Rogers did
34:23
on his own. Answer everybody does that. It's more for
34:26
internal revenue. Question Okay, if something happens, they know who
34:31
is on the plane. Answer exactly. Weight and balance question.
34:36
Have you ever kept any flight logs that have names
34:38
of people on the airplane? Answer when you say kept,
34:42
I have filled out flight logs or the passenger of manifest. Yes.
34:45
Question by kept, I mean maintained to where they're in
34:49
your possession, either on paper or computer. Answer, we keep
34:53
to that. Reinhardt interjects, can you differentiate a flight log
34:56
from the pilot's log that we showed you earlier. Edwards, Okay,
35:01
question I'm talking about. I don't know what it's called
35:04
a flight log, a pilot's log, or any kind of log.
35:07
Answer they are different, yes, Edwards. Yeah, I'm asking about
35:13
have you kept or do you have any documentation that
35:15
would indicate the names of passengers that have flown on
35:18
any of Jeffrey Epstein's planes. Answer no question, either in
35:22
the form of paper or on a computer. Answer no
35:26
question makes that easy. Answer Okay. Question in ninety one,
35:30
were you the chief pilot? Answer no, question somebody else
35:33
was the chief pilot? Answer yes? Question who's that? Answer
35:37
Dave Rogers? Question all right, at one point in time
35:41
do you become chief pilot and switch with Dave Rogers?
35:44
Answer six years ago? Five years ago? Question why? Answer
35:48
professionalism technique? Question what do you mean by that? Answer?
35:53
The way Dave would operate an aircraft? Jeffrey knew the
35:55
difference when I was flying and when Dave was flying?
35:59
Question how do you know the difference? Answer just question
36:03
he told you? Answer yes, he knew the difference that
36:06
if he never came up front, he knew who was
36:08
flying and who landed question, and what was the conversation
36:13
that he had with you that resulted in you becoming
36:15
chief pilot switching positions with Dave Rogers answer, Jeffrey would
36:21
always critique Dave's flying capabilities, and I tried to help
36:24
Dave and explain to him what Jeffrey likes and doesn't like.
36:28
And Jeffrey also conveyed these likes and dislikes, and Dave
36:31
maintained continuing with certain piloting techniques that were just not
36:35
comfortable to passengers. And this went on through the years,
36:38
and Jeffrey just got tired of it. One day, question
36:41
what specifically were Jeffrey Epstein's likes and dislikes with respect
36:45
to the flight of the plane. Crichton interrupts, here, let
36:49
me put in a form here, but I don't know
36:52
what this is or what it has to do with
36:53
anything in the case Edwards, I understand that Bob krittin
36:58
I want to use this for some other debt positions
37:00
where we we've gone beyond the scope. The witness BYSASKI
37:05
the case in point. The last straw was there was
37:07
a technique called quiet flying, where you would retread the
37:11
throttles well short of the runway and pretty much glide
37:14
the airplane in. Well, if you don't do it correctly,
37:17
you have to spoil the engines up just prior to
37:19
touching down, because you're losing the air speed and that's
37:23
uncomfortable sound and feeling for the passengers thinking that you're
37:28
not going to make the runway. And it was a
37:30
continuous practice of Dave doing that to be neighbor friendly
37:34
as opposed to being passenger comfort friendly. Edwards question, Okay,
37:40
answer hence the transfer of power? Question? Has he ever
37:43
discussed with you where he wants you to be, whether
37:47
that is stay in the cockpit when I have people
37:49
on the airplane, or don't intermingle with the passengers or
37:52
anything else. Answer, He's never stated that to us. Mister Reinhardt,
37:57
could you classify which he you're talking about, mister Edwards,
38:00
I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Reinhard, Okay question do
38:05
you understand that? Answer? Yes, question, it's my understanding that. Well,
38:10
tell me other than the Hawker, what other airplanes have
38:13
you flown for Jeffrey Epstein? Answer Golfstream? Question does he
38:18
still have that plane? Answer? Yes, sir. Question how big
38:21
of a plane. Is that answer large corporate jet? Question
38:25
how long has he had it? Answer fourteen years? Thirteen
38:28
fourteen years. Question and other than the golf Stream, what
38:31
other airplanes does he have? Answer when you say he
38:35
obviously these are company owned. Question Jeffrey Epstein or his
38:38
companies answer Boeing seven to twenty seven question, Well, I
38:42
know that's a very large airplane. I think that's been
38:45
described by other people, so I'm not going to have
38:47
you do that. But there's partitions in that airplane, in
38:51
the back room of that airplane, right answer yes, question
38:55
several partitions to where if the pilot comes out of
38:58
the cockpit, you don't necessary see all the passengers. Answer yes,
39:03
question is that true? Answer yes? Question? Okay, mister Rhinhart,
39:07
keep her voice up so she can hear you the witness, Oh,
39:11
mister Ryinhart. And so mister Willits can hear you, Brad Edwards.
39:15
Other than the golf Stream and the Boeing and the Hawker.
39:18
What other airplanes has Jeffrey Epstein owned over the years?
39:22
Answer that's it? Question and currently still owns or the
39:25
companies associated with them on the golf Stream and the
39:28
Boeing Answer yes, question and in the past two years.
39:31
Have you flown those two airplanes? Answer just for routine
39:35
flights to keep them loose or you know, you know
39:38
what I mean. Question have those two airplanes been flown
39:41
by anyone else in the last two years? Answer no.
39:44
Question have those two airplanes been flown in the last
39:47
two years for any reason other than routine maintenance type flights?
39:51
Answer We've had one two flights, I think in the
39:54
past two years. Question and what were the purposes and
39:58
who was on those flights? Answer? One flight, I believe
40:01
we went to Seabring and another flight we went to Nasau, Bahamas.
40:05
Question and who did you go to Nassau, Bahamas with
40:08
Answer I'd have to look at the flight log, but
40:10
I think it was Sarah's story and Nadia I believe.
40:13
I think it was the three passengers to the best
40:16
of my knowledge. Question and it's my understanding that Little
40:19
Saint James is an island that Jeffrey Epstein owns or controls.
40:23
Mister critten form Vesoski, I don't know that he owns it.
40:28
Brad Edwards, has he ever been to an island called
40:31
Little Saint James? Answer yes, Question and have you been
40:35
there with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, I've been there when he
40:38
was there. Question have you flown on an airplane with
40:41
him to that destination? Answer no? Question all right, when
40:46
you say you've been there when he was there? How
40:48
did that come about? Answer? We flew into Saint Thomas
40:52
and then we flew to Little Saint James. And a
40:54
helicopter question and do you fly the helicopter as well?
40:57
Answer yes? Question how many helicop are owned or controlled
41:01
by Jeffrey Epstein and or corporations associated with them? Mister Critten,
41:06
I object to form vesoski answers at this time? One
41:11
Brad Edwards? And was that helicopter flown in the last
41:13
two years? Answer just for routine maintenance. Question And when
41:18
you and let's say when Sarah Kellen and Story Cow's
41:23
and Nadia Fluid in a NASA do you know the
41:25
purpose of that trip? Answer no question. How long did
41:29
you stay? Answer five hours? Question did you pick anyone up?
41:33
Answer no? Meeting passengers question yes, answer no. Question What
41:39
happened you landed the airplane? And then what answer the
41:42
passengers left? Dave and I went and had lunch. The
41:46
passengers showed up and we came back question, have you
41:49
ever stayed at the home that is on Little Saint James?
41:53
Answer no, question have you known Jeffrey Epstein to stay
41:57
at the home? Answer? I don't know that. For a
41:59
fact question, do you believe that he is the owner
42:02
or controller or has some interest in the home or
42:04
the island of Little Saint James? Mister Critten form Vesoski,
42:09
I have no knowledge of that being a fact. Question
42:13
by Edwards, you have no belief that that's a fact.
42:16
Answer exactly. Question when you say that you've been there
42:21
when he was there? How many times has that occurred?
42:23
Answer estimating one hundred times? Question? Okay? Answer trying to
42:28
give an honest answer, Edwards, okay, and in the approximate
42:32
I'm not going to hold you to one hundred times,
42:34
but in the approximate one hundred times answer sure. Question
42:38
for what period of time are we talking about? Answer?
42:41
During what period of time? Question? Right? Answer? Let's see
42:45
when did all this happen? What two thousand and seven,
42:48
so eight years prior to whenever he stopped flying? So
42:51
question ninety eight or ninety nine? Answer? Yeah, I guess so.
42:55
Question I mean that sounds like it's right. Answer sounds
42:59
about right. Yeah, don't hold me to it again. Answer
43:02
all right, you're going back a long way. Question. So
43:05
from approximately the ninety eight ninety nine time frame, when
43:09
Jeffrey Epstein would fly to Little Saint James, would you
43:11
be the pilot? Answer yes, question okay, and you say
43:15
you've been there. I thought you just told me that
43:17
you've been there at the same time he was there.
43:19
But then I thought the subsequent question was, well, were
43:21
you on the flight with him? And I thought your
43:23
answer was no. Maybe I misunderstood that answer. No, you
43:28
said the question was have you ever flown to his island?
43:33
We never landed on his island. We landed in Saint Thomas. Question,
43:37
got it? Answer? I was just trying to be exact. Question.
43:40
Thank you. Answer it's a small island question. Okay. So
43:43
how is it that when mister Epstein wants to go
43:45
to Little Saint James, what is the path that you
43:49
take to actually get to the island of Little Saint James.
43:52
I don't understand the question. Masoski asked, question, Well, you
43:55
just told me you fly the airplane to Saint Thomas.
43:57
Right answer, right? Question? And then what answer? Then? Sometimes
44:01
I would get the helicopter, or he could take a
44:04
boat to the island, but normally the helicopter is located
44:07
on Saint Thomas. I'd fire up the helicopter, come pick
44:10
him up, drop him at the island, and come back
44:12
to Saint Thomas. Question and when he stays on Saint James,
44:15
you drop him off on Saint James. I suppose you're
44:18
going to tell me you don't know if he stays
44:20
there or not. Answer exactly. Question but do you stay
44:25
Answer I don't. I mean he's cut off by Edwards. Well,
44:29
he either stays there or someone else picks him up
44:32
in a helicopter, or he swims away. Answer correct question Okay,
44:36
you stay on Saint Thomas. Answer yes. Question okay, is
44:40
there a place that you've stayed in Saint James ever?
44:43
Answer no? Never. Question So, in one hundred or more
44:46
times that you've been to the island, is it my
44:48
understanding that each of these times you've been there to
44:51
drop off Jeffrey Epstein or any passengers, and you immediately
44:55
left and gone to Saint Thomas. Answer yes, sir. Question
44:59
you've never been inside the home that's located on Saint James.
45:02
Answer yes, I've been inside the home. Question how many
45:05
times have you been inside the home? Answer? I mean
45:09
ten fifteen times. Question and for what occasion? Answer I've
45:13
set up the theater system that's in the living room.
45:16
Question okay, answer, so it would be there to hook
45:20
up a TV in work or a stereo. All right, folks,
45:23
we're gonna wrap up right here. In the next episode,
45:26
we're gonna pick up where we left off. And if
45:28
you think that Larry Vasaski's deposition is revealing, wait till
45:32
we get around to Adrianna Ross. All of the information
45:36
that goes with this episode can be found in the
45:38
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
45:42
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right
45:45
back to the Larry of Vasaski deposition from two thousand
45:49
and nine, and once again Brad Edwards is doing the
45:52
questioning and mister Vasaski is doing the answering. Question And
45:57
do you know Les Wexner? Answer no, I don't. Question
46:01
have you ever met him before? Answer? I've met him.
46:04
Question do you know of the relationship between Les and
46:07
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I don't know what to what extent
46:11
they have a relationship? No question do you know if
46:14
they know one another? Answer? I don't know that for
46:17
a fact, But I don't know. Question how do you
46:21
know they talk to one another? Answer I've seen them
46:24
speak to one another at the foot of the airplane?
46:26
Question all right, have you ever flown the airplane any
46:29
of the airplanes with Les Wexner as a passenger? Answer no?
46:33
Question have you ever flown an airplane with Sarah Kellen
46:36
as a passenger? Answer yes? Question and do you know
46:40
Sarah Kelln? Answer yes? Question and for how long have
46:45
you known Sarah Kellen? Answer? I'm guessing six years. I mean,
46:49
don't hold me to it. I'm not the greatest on
46:51
length of times, but six seven years, I think. Question
46:54
how did you meet her? Answer? I guess I was
46:57
introduced she was on a flight of ours. Question you
47:01
were introduced to her by whom? Answer? She may have
47:04
introduced herself. I mean you're going back aways. I don't
47:07
know the official introduction. How when? Question And to your knowledge,
47:11
what is her? Is she still associated or affiliated in
47:14
some way with Jeffrey Epstein, mister critten form Bysoski. I
47:19
would assume so, I don't know to what level or
47:22
what her actual job description? Is Brad Edwards? All right, Well,
47:27
how many flights have you flown where she and Jeffrey
47:30
Epstein have been passengers together on one of the airplanes
47:33
that we've been discussing. Answer I'd only be guessing once again.
47:38
Question we're talking hundreds of flights though, answer sure, sure,
47:42
lots of flights. Question it seems to me, I mean
47:47
you seem like somebody who has common sense. It seems
47:50
like somebody that knows Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Critten objects form
47:55
Brad Edwards. Question correct Sarah Kellen answer yes, question all right,
47:59
and you believe that there is a business relationship there
48:02
or a personal relationship there from your observations. Answer I'd
48:07
only be speculating when they get on the airplane. My
48:09
focus is forward and flying safely, So I don't know,
48:13
you know, I'd only be guessing as either one of
48:15
those two. Question Okay, Have you ever socialized with Sarah Kelln?
48:21
Answer no, question other than speaking with her on the airplane.
48:25
Have you spoken with her elsewhere? Answer over the phone
48:27
in passing, I mean walking down the street in New York.
48:30
I mean yes. Question why would you call Sarah Kelln
48:33
or why would she call you? Answer she would call
48:36
me to schedule the aircraft or a departure. Question and
48:41
have you ever called her? Answer yes. Question when was
48:44
the last time you talked to Sarah Kelln? Answer a
48:47
week ago? Question what was the occasion? Answer we were
48:50
discussing carpet for one of the aircraft. Question and where
48:54
was she when you were talking with her? Answer? I
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don't know. I was over the phone. Question did she
48:59
call you or you call her? Answer no, I called
49:02
her on her cell. Question Okay, and that's a New
49:06
York number. Answer I don't know, it's on speed dial.
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Question do you have your phone with you? Answer yes?
49:12
Question could you tell me what the number is? Answer? Sure?
49:15
Question thanks, answer sure, and he gives the number. Question
49:21
which airplanes were you discussing carpeting for? Answer was actually
49:25
it was for the helicopter. Now that I'm thinking about it.
49:28
The helicopter question in the last two years, did you
49:32
tell me the helicopter has flown? Answer yes? Question and
49:35
where to answer? I have flown the helicopter to Fort
49:38
Lauderdale on several occasions for maintenance. I have flown it
49:41
to Miami, and I try to fly the helicopter at
49:44
least every two weeks, just either by myself to run
49:47
it up to its It's important that it keeps moving
49:51
other than the maintenance side flights. Have you flown the
49:53
helicopter in the last couple of years? Answer yes? Question
49:56
and who was on the helicopter? Answer I flew to
49:59
Miami with mister Epstein. Question when was that? Answer? It
50:03
was a couple of weeks ago or a month ago?
50:05
I think? Question for what? Answer sorry, question for what occasion? Answer?
50:11
I think he had a meeting with his attorneys in Miami.
50:14
Question today is October fifteenth. Is this during the month
50:17
of October that you had this flight in the helicopter
50:20
with mister Epstein. Answer I'd have to look at the
50:23
book to be exact for you. Question Okay, but it's
50:26
either the end of September or the beginning of October.
50:29
Answer yeah. Question how do you know that he was
50:33
meeting with his attorneys? Answer? I believe that he mentioned
50:36
that he was meeting with his attorneys. Question did he
50:39
tell you why? Answer no question. Did he tell you
50:43
he was meeting with his attorneys? Did you ask him?
50:45
Answer no? Question Okay, that's just something that he said
50:49
to you in conversation. Answer yes, sir. Question was there
50:52
anyone else on the airplane besides you and mister Epstein? Answer? Yes?
50:57
Question who was that? Answer Nadia? Question Nadia who answer
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Nadia Marsenkova. Question how long have you known Nadia Marsenkova answer,
51:09
I don't know, five years? A guess again, four or
51:11
five years? Question do you know if there's a relationship
51:14
between her and Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I don't know. Question
51:18
do you know if she knows Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I
51:21
would assume so they talk. I would imagine she knows them.
51:24
Question and how many times has she been on the
51:27
airplane or the helicopters on flights at the same time
51:30
as a passenger with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer many. I'd have
51:34
to look at the logs. Question hundreds of times? Critten
51:38
interjects here form and to that Vesowski answers, sure, Edwards,
51:45
if we're going to as somebody who has been Jeffrey
51:47
Epstein's pilot for eighteen years, tell me today that the
51:50
five closest people are to Jeffrey Epstein, would Nadia be
51:54
one of them? Mister Critten once again objects form the witness.
51:59
I don't be guessing and speculating, I have no idea.
52:04
Question okay, well as his pilot and the person who
52:07
travels with Jeffrey Epstein on the majority of his flights,
52:10
who are the people who travel most frequently with Jeffrey Epstein.
52:14
Answer I'd have to look at the logs. Ryan Hart
52:18
objects here, can we get a time period Brad Edwards
52:21
in the last ten years which people travel most frequently
52:24
with him? Answer I'd have to look at the flight
52:26
logs to give you an accurate answer. Question you can't
52:30
give me one single name of somebody you would say
52:32
is a frequent flyer? Answer Sarah question Sarah Kellen answer yes.
52:38
Question anybody else answer Nadia question Nadia Marsenkova answer yeah.
52:43
Question anybody else answer just mainly those two. Question. How
52:48
about Glenn Maxwell? Answer not for some time. Question what's
52:55
your understanding between the relationship of Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein?
53:00
Answer I don't really know. Question all right, So when
53:03
you say you're guessing that Nadia marsen Kova and Sarah
53:06
Kellen know or are associated with Jeffrey Epstein, that guessing
53:10
is being made on time with the observation that they
53:13
have been frequent flyers with Jeffrey Epstein on more than
53:16
one hundred of flights on his private plane. Answer yes,
53:20
that's what I'm basing it on. Question and do you
53:22
know where Nadia Marsenkova is staying these days? Answer no.
53:26
Question Do you know what car she's driving these days?
53:29
Answer no, I don't. Question do you know if she's
53:32
living with Jeffrey Epstein these days? Answer no, I don't. Question.
53:36
Do you know how Nadio Marsenkova met Jeffrey Epstein? Answer
53:41
I don't. Question were you on an international flight bringing
53:44
her into the country from some other country at any time? Answer?
53:49
I don't know, mister Reinhardt, can we clarify you mean
53:52
with Epstein or Brad Edwards? No question? Did you ever
53:56
bring Nadia Marsenkova from some foreign country to the United States?
54:00
Answer I'd have to look at the log books, honestly.
54:04
Question that's not something you to remember. Answer no, I
54:07
mean she. I think she's been on Europe trips with us,
54:10
and I think she's returned from Europe with US, but
54:12
I cannot say that honestly. Question on this recent helicopter
54:16
flight with Nadia Marsenkova, and Jeffrey Epstein. Did you talk
54:19
with them during the flight? Answer no. Question Where did
54:23
the flight go from? And obviously it landed in Miami,
54:26
But where did you leave from? Answer West Palm Beach.
54:29
Question And did Nadia and Jeffrey arrive together? Answer? You know,
54:33
I don't remember. I was out at the helicopter and
54:35
I think both started walking up, so I don't know
54:37
if they came separately or not. I was already at
54:40
the helicopter. Question how long is the flight from Palm
54:43
Beach to Miami? Answer twenty five minutes. Question And did
54:48
they talk to one another during that flight? Answer no question?
54:52
They were both completely silent during that flight. Answer yes.
54:55
Question is that typical when they were on flights together,
54:58
especially with the helicopter where you're in pretty close quarters,
55:02
that they would sustain from speaking to one another? And
55:05
this brings another objection from mister Critten form Vesoski. Yeah,
55:10
it would be typical. It's very noisy and communicating in
55:13
a helicopter, is you know, not that comfortable? Edwards, Over
55:17
the last five or six years that you have known
55:19
or been familiar with Nadio marson Kova, have you heard
55:22
her or Jeffrey Epstein conversing with one another. Answer I've
55:26
heard them conversing, but if you asked me what they
55:28
had said, I could say it. I wouldn't even know
55:31
what they talk to each other about. I've seen them
55:33
talking to each other. Question, but don't remember a single
55:38
specific conversation between Jeffrey Epstein and Nadio marson Kova. Answer
55:43
an honest answer, no question okay, And the same for
55:47
Sarah Kellen. Have you seen or have you seen Jeffrey
55:50
Epstein speak with Sarah Kellen? Answer I've seen him speak
55:53
with her. Yes. Question can you tell me a single
55:56
specific conversation that you have overheard between Jeffrey Epstein and
56:00
Sarah Kellen? Answer? One thing that comes to mind would
56:04
be make sure we have Oreo cookies on the airplane.
56:08
It would be something completely nonchalant. Question okay, And do
56:11
you know or have reason to know of any employment
56:14
relationship between Sarah Kelln and Jeffrey Epstein. Answer I have
56:18
no knowledge of any of that. Question. Do you know
56:21
if Sarah Kellen works for Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I do
56:24
not know. Question do you know if Sarah Kellen schedules
56:28
massages for Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, I have no idea. Question.
56:33
Has Jeffrey ever indicated to you that he is fascinated
56:37
or infatuated or appreciates or loves or likes massages? Answer?
56:42
I have no knowledge of that question. All right, how
56:44
about Glene Maxwell. Has she ever talked to you about
56:47
massage therapy or have you ever overheard her talking about it? Answer?
56:52
No question. You certainly read the papers over the last
56:55
couple of years. Correct answer not on my top ten list.
56:58
I mean, I've read a couple of arts, but I'm
57:00
not one to discuss or focus on that so much
57:04
as some people would. All right, folks, were going to
57:06
wrap up right there, and in the next episode, we're
57:08
gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
57:11
information that goes with this episode can be found in
57:14
the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
57:17
episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking
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up where we left off with the Larry Vasoski deposition
57:25
from two thousand and nine, once again Brad Edwards asking
57:29
the questions and Larry Vasoski doing the answering. Question. Okay,
57:33
when the investigation about Jeffrey Epstein came about the criminal investigation.
57:38
You're aware that's what I'm talking about, right? Answer that
57:41
was last year. Question well, it was a couple years ago.
57:44
Answer right, okay. Question did you speak with Jeffrey Epstein
57:48
about that investigation? Answer? No? Question were you told not
57:52
to speak to him about it? Answer? I think we
57:55
knew ourselves that we weren't. It wouldn't be proper to
57:58
even bring it up. Question all right, when you read
58:00
in the newspaper the allegation that mister Epstein was involved
58:03
with numerous underage girls for sexual reasons, were you surprised? Answer?
58:08
I didn't believe it. Question do you believe it today? Answer?
58:12
I don't believe it. Question you don't believe that Jeffrey
58:15
Epstein was involved with underage girls in a sexual way?
58:19
Crittin objects form Vysoski, you're asking for my opinion, and
58:24
I don't think my opinion is relevant in that matter.
58:27
Brad Edwards, I think it's relevant. Can you just tell
58:31
me whether today you believe that Jeffrey Epstein has engaged
58:34
in sex with underage girls? Critten objects again form speculation
58:39
irrelevant always Vasoski, it's irrelevant, Edwards. I need an answer, Vysoski.
58:47
I don't believe he had sex with underage women. Question
58:50
or engaged in sexual acts with underage women? Mister Critten
58:55
objects again, Form Vysoski. No, Brad Edwards, you think think
59:00
that this is a story that's just a bunch of
59:02
underage women that have made it up? Answer speculation, Criten objection.
59:07
Now it's argumentative. Who gives a damn what he thinks
59:09
one way or another if he has personal knowledge to that?
59:13
Edwards interrupts, you're objecting to the form, Criten, it's argumentative, Edwards,
59:18
you're objecting to the form Critten. Yes, Edwards, okay. Question
59:23
is that something that you believe that a bunch of women,
59:26
some of which know each other, some don't, some of
59:29
which who have been on the airplane, and some which
59:31
haven't made this up, that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in some
59:35
sexual conduct with them. Criten once again objects form Pososki.
59:40
What I believe doesn't matter in this case, does it?
59:42
And to that, Edwards responds, I need an answer. Do
59:45
you believe it? Do you believe these girls made this up?
59:48
Critten once again objects form And now rein Hart gets involved.
59:52
I'm going to instruct him not to answer to move on,
59:56
Brad Edwards, is their privilege that we're asserting Ryan Hart, No,
59:59
it's irrelevant, it's harassment and not likely to lead to
1:00:02
discoverable evidence. Brad Edwards, I'm going to put it on
1:00:06
the record right now that it is we're allowed discovery
1:00:09
into a RICO account. We're also allowed discovery into the
1:00:11
intent of mister Epstein in developing a criminal enterprise designed
1:00:16
to sexually exploit and sexually abuse underage girls. We believe
1:00:20
that in doing so, he associated intentionally with people of
1:00:23
similar beliefs that sex with underage girls is okay, and
1:00:28
that there may have been many discussions with this witness,
1:00:30
as well as many other witnesses with to ensure his
1:00:34
protection from law enforcement, that they not answer these specific questions.
1:00:38
And thus the opinion and beliefs of all these witnesses
1:00:42
that we are alleging associated with this criminal enterprise are
1:00:46
certainly reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.
1:00:51
And if you're still instructing the witness based on that
1:00:53
profit not to answer any of these questions, I'm going
1:00:56
to continue to ask the questions and you can instruct
1:00:58
them not to answer and we can go to the
1:01:00
court ran Hard answers. My response is to his opinion
1:01:04
whether people making allegations in this case are colluding or
1:01:08
making up a story. Is he irrelevant to what you
1:01:10
just said. So I'm going to instruct him not to
1:01:12
answer any question that goes to his opinion of someone
1:01:15
else's motivation or the truth of facts to which he
1:01:18
has no knowledge. So yes, I'm instructing him not to answer.
1:01:22
Kritin adds up. Let me add in. My part is
1:01:25
that I think you're certainly not only capable to ask
1:01:28
questions with regard to what his personal knowledge is, and
1:01:32
if he knows something or he has reasonable basis for it,
1:01:34
certainly you are entitled to that information. I think you've
1:01:37
asked those questions, and he's given you straightforward answers as
1:01:41
to what he knew or what he didn't know under
1:01:42
the circumstances, and as to what his thoughts are on
1:01:45
something which has no factual basis or even an assumption
1:01:49
to know one way or the other is irrelevant. That's
1:01:52
ultimately for a FactFinder in this case. While it's interesting,
1:01:56
it's argumentative, and I don't think he I mean do
1:01:59
it on a question by question basis. If he has knowledge,
1:02:02
that's great. But to argue your case with this witness
1:02:05
or any other witness doesn't serve a purpose, and I
1:02:08
think it is. You know, I think it's not a
1:02:09
good use of our time. I'll put it that way.
1:02:12
But you know you can go ahead and ask Edwards,
1:02:14
I can ask a question. If the witness is being
1:02:16
instructed not to answer, We'll let a judge decide whether
1:02:19
he needs to answer the question and whether it's discoverable
1:02:22
or not. Rein Hart absolutely make your record. Brad Edwards,
1:02:27
do you have any reason to believe that Jeffrey Epstein
1:02:29
engaged in sexual activity with underage women? Answer? I have
1:02:33
no reason to believe that question. Okay, So, as you
1:02:36
sit here today, based on your eighteen years of knowledge, experience,
1:02:39
and observation of Jeffrey Epstein, is it your belief that
1:02:42
he has not had sex or engaged in sexual activity
1:02:45
with underage women. Answer? It's an opinion and I believe
1:02:49
that he is not. Question Okay. Isn't it true that
1:02:53
at some point in time you learn that Jeffrey Epstein
1:02:56
has strike that mister Critten objects again. When you ultimately
1:03:00
get to a good place to break will you let
1:03:02
us know Brad Edwards, let's break now. So they go
1:03:05
to their break and then they come back Edwards all right.
1:03:09
Eighteen years of being a pilot for Jeffrey Epstein, and
1:03:12
in terms of being able to name somebody that you
1:03:14
would say you've observed with Jeffrey Epstein and you classify
1:03:19
that people as Jeffrey Epstein's friend, can you name somebody anybody?
1:03:23
Answer Nadia or Sarah. Just people that we see routine
1:03:26
lye on the airplane. Question that's people you see routinely
1:03:29
in the last five to ten years, right, answer yes,
1:03:33
question prior to that time, anybody that you've noticed as
1:03:37
Jeffrey Epstein's friend, maybe Glenne Maxwell. Answer what timeframe? Question?
1:03:42
Is that a person that at some point in time
1:03:45
you would classify as Jeffrey Epstein's friend. Answer I would
1:03:48
classify it. I don't know if it's true. Question, but
1:03:52
that's only because they were on the airplane together. Answer yes.
1:03:56
Question do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a
1:03:58
living in your eighteen years of observing and talking with
1:04:01
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no question, no idea, answer no question
1:04:06
ever ask him? Answer no actually question ever been curious.
1:04:11
Answer sure. Question ever done anything to satisfy that curiosity? Answer?
1:04:16
If you mean google it? Not? Really? Actually, I mean
1:04:19
I really have not. Question. Okay, So, in the eighteen
1:04:22
years of traveling and being a pilot and driving and
1:04:25
taking this person, Jeffrey Epstein from one property in New
1:04:28
York to New Mexico and Florida and around the world,
1:04:31
you have no idea what he does in terms of
1:04:33
how he makes money. Answer no, sir, Question I was
1:04:37
produced as flight log. Tell me if I'm using the
1:04:39
wrong term. What is this called this book that I've
1:04:42
been provided by Dave Rogers? Answer I've never seen that book.
1:04:46
Question I'll let you see it. I don't know what
1:04:48
it is. It's always in a book, so maybe that's
1:04:51
why you haven't seen it. Tell me what we're looking at.
1:04:54
Answer Well, judging with the name at the bottom, I
1:04:57
believe this is Dave's flight log log book. I didn't
1:05:00
know if it was called a flight log. Answer a
1:05:03
pilot log book. How's that that's the appropriate name? Question?
1:05:08
It was marked as composite Exhibit one in the Rogers deposition,
1:05:12
as indicated by the exhibit sticker. Well mark it the
1:05:15
same in your deposition as well. Crichton, why don't you
1:05:19
refer to it as his Edward's fine question if the
1:05:23
pilot logbook of Dave Rogers. Answer yes, question, and the
1:05:27
years provided in this book are two thousand and two
1:05:29
through two thousand and five, I can represent that to you.
1:05:32
I'm going to ask you about certain people that David
1:05:34
Rogers wrote down as being on the airplane, and I
1:05:38
want to ask you if you know who they are.
1:05:40
This person right here is Cindy Lopez. It seems like
1:05:43
she flew on a number of flights. Do you know
1:05:45
who that is? Answer? No, I heard the name, but
1:05:48
I don't know who she is. Question all right, is
1:05:50
that somebody that you remember seeing on any of the
1:05:53
flights that you were on? Answer? What you're we talking about?
1:05:56
I don't remember. Question Well, this is January two thousand
1:05:59
and two. You'd probably know how to read this book
1:06:02
a little bit better than me, So I don't know. Answer.
1:06:06
He keeps a lot more current. So I know the name.
1:06:08
If she walked in here right now, I would probably
1:06:11
look right through her, to be honest. Answer do you
1:06:15
know what affiliation or relationship she had with Jeffrey Epstein?
1:06:18
Answer no, question Okay, there are various Each row I'm
1:06:22
told by David Rodgers is a different flight, and it
1:06:25
indicates where it takes off from and where it lands,
1:06:29
et cetera. There's a lot of other information, especially over
1:06:32
on this side of the page, that I'm not familiar with,
1:06:35
nor do I need to be answer right, But it's
1:06:38
evident that the plane is being used, at least for
1:06:41
this time period January of two thousand and two through
1:06:43
two thousand and five, on a fairly regular basis. I mean,
1:06:47
we're looking at January sixth, eleventh, thirteenth, thirteenth, fourteenth right answer,
1:06:52
Uh huh question? I mean, is that something that you
1:06:54
would say accurately reflects the amount of use Jeffrey Epstein's planes.
1:06:59
Answer yes, question, so he travels quite frequently. Answer yes, question,
1:07:04
and he travels with many different people. Right. Critton once
1:07:08
again objects form Vesoski answers Yes. Critton. Can I ask
1:07:13
one question? I was wondering what happened? Who was in
1:07:15
possession of? Now? What's the original exhibit number one of
1:07:19
mister Rogers's deposition? Did you retain it? Mister Rhinhart, the
1:07:22
actual book itself? Edwards, the court reporter took it right, Critton,
1:07:27
the one marked as an exhibit. Did you keep it?
1:07:29
Mister ryin Hart? This is it, Edwards? This is it Critton?
1:07:35
Who took it from the deposition the other day? Edwards,
1:07:37
I have this one right now, Ryan Hart. That's the
1:07:40
only copy. Edward's okay, Critton, So you took the original, Edwards.
1:07:45
Apparently it has the original sticker, Critton. When I say
1:07:48
the original, I mean the original copy. Would you have
1:07:51
somebody recreate that what you've got and send it to
1:07:54
us so we have it, Edwards? Sure? In fact, why
1:07:57
don't I wait until I get the whole thing and
1:07:59
I'll copy of the pages and send it to you
1:08:01
instead of piecemeal. Mister Horowitz, you mean before the transcript
1:08:05
comes Edwards. We can copy it, Critten. If you give
1:08:09
it to me, I'll copy it and send it back
1:08:10
to you. Rein Hart, I have a copy. It just
1:08:13
doesn't have the exhibit sticker on it. Edwards. That's what
1:08:17
I was told to me the other day. That's why
1:08:19
I took it, Critton. I want something, I just don't
1:08:23
want it. If you give me the copy, I'll put
1:08:25
a sticker on it, ryin Hart, or I'll just copy
1:08:28
the page that has the exhibit sticker on it. Critton, Sorry, Edwards,
1:08:33
Like on this flight we have Jaye, I'm assuming that's
1:08:36
Jeffrey Epstein. Correct. Vysoski answers once again, now that the
1:08:40
back and forth is done with the lawyers, Yes, I'll
1:08:43
assume question GM Glenn Maxwell Wright answer yes question sk
1:08:48
Sarah Kellen answer I would assume question I mean okay,
1:08:52
And then this name do you recognize that person? Alexia
1:08:55
never heard it? Vasoski answers question and then Cindy Lope
1:09:00
answer yes, question you've heard the name. Answer, I've heard
1:09:03
the name. Question not sure who it is though, answer
1:09:06
no question. There's only one, two, three, four, five, six
1:09:10
people on that flight? Answer uh huh. Question. That's pretty
1:09:14
typical of the amount of passengers that you would have
1:09:16
on a flight. Answer It varied, sure, question okay, but
1:09:21
it varied between if we look at a few lines down,
1:09:24
Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell were the only two passengers.
1:09:27
Certainly there were flights like that as well. Right answer,
1:09:31
uh huh question, and so it varied from having one
1:09:35
or two people to six or seven people write answer
1:09:38
yes question, what's the most people that you remember traveling
1:09:42
on any of Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes. Answer twenty five question. Okay,
1:09:47
that would be a rarity, wouldn't you say? Answer? Oh? Yeah, question,
1:09:51
because I've looked through the log I haven't seen any
1:09:53
place where there was twenty five, but there are lines
1:09:56
that might have been eight or nine people listed. Answer right. Question.
1:10:00
Let's see there's a flight from January fifteenth, sorry, January seventeenth,
1:10:05
January twentieth, January twenty second of two thousand and two
1:10:08
that all had Cindy Lopez. That doesn't serve to refresh
1:10:12
your recollection as to who that is? Does it? Answer
1:10:16
no question? Okay? Do you know what the purpose of
1:10:21
her being on the airplane flight along with Jeffrey Epstein,
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Glenn Maxwell and Sarah Kellen would be? Answer no question. Okay,
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do you know how it comes about that Cindy Lopez
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gets on that flight? How does she even know that
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there's a flight available? Question? I don't know. All right, folks,
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We're going to wrap up right here, and in the
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next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
1:10:42
up where we left off. All of the information that
1:10:45
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1:10:48
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
1:10:51
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where he left off with Larry Vassoski's deposition from two
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thousand and nine, once again Brad Edwards asking the questions
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and Larry Vasoski doing the answering. Question. All right, well,
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let's go down to somebody that we may all know
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a little bit better. February ninth, two thousand and two.
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There's a flight that has Bill Clinton, four Secret Service
1:11:16
agents and then instead of listing names or initials or
1:11:19
anything else, it just listed as two males, one female,
1:11:23
Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, Sarah Kellen. I forget who Dave
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Rogers told me? Ap is do you remember who that is? Answer?
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No question? Okay, either way? How is it that someone
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like Bill Clinton gets on Jeffrey Epstein's flight? Mister Critten
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objects form VASASKI I don't know, Brad Edwards. Question, do
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you know before the flight takes off that Bill Clinton's
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going to be a passenger on that flight? Answer? Yes,
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question and how do you know? How do you get
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that information? Answer? The day before I get a phone
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call from say Sarah saying we're leaving to going to wherever,
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and sometimes she'll say who's going? Sometimes she won't. On
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a case where President Clinton would be on board, we
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would put a little extra catering on board or do
1:12:10
that little extra TLC to the aircraft. Question if it's leaving,
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this says it's leaving from Miami and where is it landing?
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Answer HPN, I believe his white planes. Question Okay, do
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you remember that flight? Answer? I remember being on it.
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Question well, I mean, if you look through it here,
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obviously you had Bill Clinton on the airplane ten or
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twenty times. Right. Answer Yeah, he's my main focus. I
1:12:35
remember him being on the aircraft. Sure. Question do you
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remember him being on the airplane with younger girls? To this,
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mister critten object's form, Vesoski responds, no question. Okay, do
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you know how his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no question.
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Do you know if they were friends? Answer assuming question,
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but you're assuming why just because he's on the plane.
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Answer yeah. Question okay, so you assume that people that
1:13:04
are on listed here are friends of Jeffrey Epstein and
1:13:08
that's why they're riding on his plane. Answer I'm speculating.
1:13:12
Question I'm just not familiar with the because I've never
1:13:15
been on a private flight with the manner in which
1:13:18
you go about getting people on one of these flights.
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I mean you have to, I guess, know that Jeffrey
1:13:23
Epstein has a plane, and that it's going to from
1:13:26
a destination that you were at and want to go to,
1:13:29
and that it's available, all those kinds of things. Can
1:13:32
you tell me enlighten me? Answer? Well, it's not publicly offered. No,
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it would be no different than you jumping in your
1:13:39
car and knowing that you're going to the mall. I mean,
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it's not public information. You know where planes are coming
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to and from, and you don't put your name out
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there to get on board a flight. Question does Jeffrey
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Epstein charge these people as passengers? Answer? I don't know.
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Question Okay, are these people such as Bill Clinton? Does
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that mean that Bill Clinton called Sarah Kellen or somebody
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offfiliated with Jeffrey Epstein to get on the plane Or
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did Jeffrey Epstein call Bill Clinton and ask him if
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he wants a ride? Mister Critten objection form predicate Vesoski,
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I have no idea, Brad Edward's no idea? Answer No,
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idea whatsoever? Question Joe Pegano do you know who that is? Answer? Yes?
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Question what's his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or what was
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it back in February sorry, March seventeenth of two thousand
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and two, when he and Sarah Kellen and Jeffrey Epstein
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and Todd and one female were on the flight. Answer
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I don't know to what extent or what his relationship is.
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He was just a passenger on the airplane. Question okay?
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And the next day sorry, two days later, on the
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nineteenth of March, Bill Clinton flies again, this time with
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three Secret Service agents Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell and Sarah Kellen.
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Do you remember that flight? Answer? Where do we go?
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Question starts in JFK Answer right? Qu where is that?
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Mister Critton? Do you have a date? Brad Edwards March nineteenth,
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two thousand and two. Vysoski e gg W. I believe
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is looton England? Edwards? Okay? Do you remember flying to England? Answer?
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I do remember flying to England, I just don't remember
1:15:17
that trip. What airplane were we in? Were we in?
1:15:20
The Boeing? Question? Do you remember the purpose of the trip? Answer? No?
1:15:24
Question do you know who Doug Band is? Answer? I
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already he's Clinton. How would you say, assistant? I mean
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I've seen that in the newspaper, seen it on CNN.
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Question Okay, did you ever hear that Doug Band and
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Glen Maxwell were together even for a day or a night? Answer? No, question,
1:15:41
did you ever hear that Doug Band and Glenn Maxwell
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were the people attributed to introducing Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein?
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Mister Critten objects form Vysoski. I don't know Brad Edwards.
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All right, there's another flight here in January. I can't
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read this upside down. Maybe it says may sir, it
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looks like Edwards twenty second, two thousand and two, again
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with President Bill Clinton. Janis Jessica? Can you tell me
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who Janice and Jessica are? Answer? I don't remember. Question
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would you know them if you saw them? Answer? Probably
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not because the names don't even ring a bell? Question
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all right? And then there are plenty of flights, many
1:16:21
of flights where Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, and Sarah Kellen
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are the primary passengers, or at least are some of
1:16:28
the passengers on the flights. Correct answer, yes, question and
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still as you sit here, you being the pilot of
1:16:36
these flights, you're not sure what their relationship is or
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whether any of them were socially connected in any real way.
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Another objection from mister Critten form Vesoski. No, when you're
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flying the airplane, there's a lot more going on than
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passenger relations. Brad Edwards. All right, you remember this person,
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Virginia Roberts. Are you familiar with her at all? Answer?
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I remember the name, that's it. Question what do you
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think her relationship is to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? No, idea.
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Mister Critten, What datu are you on, Brad? Mister Edwards,
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Oh sorry, I'm at June twenty first, two thousand and two. Edwards. Question,
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that's not somebody that you specifically remember? Answer no, question No,
1:17:17
is that somebody you think was a regular flyer for
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any period of time on Jeffrey Epstein's plane or in
1:17:23
his life? Answer not a regular Edwards. We're referring to
1:17:28
the same flight on June twenty first of two thousand
1:17:30
and two that includes Jean Luke Brunel, Virginia Roberts, Jeffrey Epstein,
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Glenn Maxwell, Sarah Kellen. Those are the passengers of this flight.
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Does that serve to jog your memory as to who
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Virginia Roberts is. Answer no, I mean you see how
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frequently we fly. I mean the passengers in the back
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are so far removed from the operation of commanding an
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airplane like that is nothing that sticks out in your head.
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Question and you, as the pilot, is there any way
1:17:57
that you would know what's going on in the back
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of your airplane? Answer no, My concerns are on the cockpit,
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mister Critten Brad The last one that you mentioned was
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at the same day, June twenty first, Oh too Edwards. Yes.
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Question there's another name here that I was going to
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ask you. Do you know June twenty third, two thousand
1:18:15
and two, Juliana Barbosa. Are you familiar with that name?
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Answer no question. Also on the same flight log with
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Jean Luke Bruno. That doesn't help jog your memory either, right,
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answer no question that somebody as a frequent passenger? Answer
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who are you referring to? Question Juliana Barboza? Answer no question.
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Doctor Jureki, Is that somebody that you remember flying? Answer
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I know the name. He may have been on the
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airplane once or twice. I'm guessing only. Question do you
1:18:47
remember meeting him? Answer? Yes, I have met him. Question
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do you remember his purpose for being on the airplane?
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Answer no, sir, Question Amanda Honaro, do you remember her
1:18:57
purpose for being on the airplane? Answer no, rein Hart,
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can we get a date? Edwards? I was just asking
1:19:03
them if you're remembered, Amanda Venaro. I wasn't referring to
1:19:06
specific flights. Edwards, do you remember her being on the flight? Answer?
1:19:12
I don't remember the name. Question me showing you the
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flight isn't going to job the memory? Answer no, the
1:19:19
name that would launch it first. Critton, can I ask
1:19:22
you a question? You have the original exhibit marked at
1:19:25
the deposition. It looks like it's been highlighted, Brad Edwards.
1:19:28
I highlighted it. Critton. Okay, so you've highlighted the original
1:19:32
exhibit that's marked for the deposition. I just want the
1:19:35
record to reflect Edwards. Yeah, Critton, okay, thank you. Edwards.
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At the time I highlighted it, I didn't realize I
1:19:43
was holding onto the original exhibit. I didn't realize that
1:19:46
until you just pointed it out. Mister Critton. I've noticed that, Edwards.
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So now when I give it to you. I'm giving
1:19:53
you my work product as well. I don't see how
1:19:55
this works against you. But anyway, question Melissa Stall, is
1:20:00
that a name that you remember? Answer no question. Okay,
1:20:04
Then Jean lup Brunel is somebody who flew relatively frequently.
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So is that why you think the name jogs your
1:20:11
memory a little bit better than some of these others?
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Answer he addresses uniquely? Question in what way? Answer? Just
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loud colors, So something that you would remember, that's all. Question.
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Do you remember his role in Jeffrey's life? Answer no question.
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Have you ever heard that he was affiliated with Jeffrey
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Epstein because they both have a sexual attraction to underage girls?
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Mister critten form Vesoski, you're making an assumption on that. Edwards,
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have you ever heard that? Ryan Hart? He's asked you,
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I have ever heard that? Edwards. If your answer is no,
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it's no answer, I'm sorry. I thought you said they did. No,
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I have not question. Okay. I keep highlighting this name,
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Virginia Roberts just because it looks like somebody that's regularly
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flying on the airplane. But the more that you see
1:20:56
her name, that doesn't change your opinion as to whether
1:21:00
or not you remember her? Or what? Answer? I remember
1:21:03
the name, you know, that's all. Question. Do you remember
1:21:06
about what age she was when she was flying on
1:21:08
the airplane? Answer? No question. This could be somebody who
1:21:12
is fifty years old or ten years old for all
1:21:14
you know, mister critten form Vasaski, Yes, Edwards, Okay, Vasaski,
1:21:22
I mean I would only be guessing at an age Edwards. Yeah,
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but I mean you don't remember her at all. So
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answer I remember the name? Question other than that answer right, yes, sir,
1:21:35
question but you can't even come close to putting a
1:21:37
face with that name. Answer I mean no, if you
1:21:41
said draw a picture, I couldn't even get close to
1:21:43
getting it. All right, We're going to wrap up right here,
1:21:46
and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
1:21:48
we left off. All of the information that goes with
1:21:51
this episode can be found in the description box.