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Folks, Family, friends, loved ones, enemies, friendemies, wizards,
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which is muggles, mud bloods, people of Middle Earth do a training
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camp. Eve edition of Disguise Coverage. The only podcast that gives you an
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menu in the episode show notes what they're here on YouTube and or whichever podcasting
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app or platform you are listening to this show on. I'm your host,
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Anthony Prohaska. Find me on Twitter at pro underscore underscore and that's pro two
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Underscores A and T in tonight's episode of Disguise coverage. It is the eve
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of Buffalo Bill's twenty twenty four training camp, and so we will be diving
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into what and who to watch for in Buffalo Bills training camp. Schematic pieces,
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position groupings, players, coaching pieces, anything and everything is open for
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discussion on tonight's episode as we break down the most important things, the top
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storylines. We're gonna be ranking some things, a whole bunch of that in
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regards to this conversation. And I say we because I'm not by myself in
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this episode. I am joined by the host of Lockdown Bills and the host
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of Lockdown NFL Scouting and one of the favorite people I think of Bills fans
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across any type of location, fandom, whatever you're looking for, mister Joe
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Marino, You're welcomed in this space by myself, by the brand, by
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the people listening. You're very busy, man. I love your work.
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I appreciate you taking the time. Welcome to this show. AP It's good
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to be on with you, brother, And if I may ask you a
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question, I feel like I don't think I've seen that helmet behind you before.
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With the blue face mask. And what's your take on the blue face
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mask? Like I love it incorporating this. I wish it was their helmet
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all the time. Yeah. I used to have it. Oh yeah,
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And I'm thinking the last time when I joined you, uh, in the
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last episode that I joined you for Lockdown, I think I had it either
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down here more or up and hidden. I didn't have it kind of front
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and center like I do now. But it's my favorite helmet, like Bill's
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helmet of all time. And I like where they're at with the white and
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and the clean white face mask. I really wish they brought that blue face
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mask back. Oh man. I got to EU know in the comment that
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we needed we need to give it like the Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving special moment,
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like just find out right, we found out on that Thanksgiving game that the
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white face masks were better than the gray face masks. Yes, now let's
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just sample it, well sample it and go from there. But I need
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to see it. I feel like I want to see it with the modern
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stitching. I see. I like that, you know, just test the
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test the waters a little bit if if it doesn't work out, No,
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big Gill, you were for one game and it's fine. I've always liked
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it the especially like the the journey of Bill's uniforms, like growing up in
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the nineties and seeing what they were wearing in the nineties, but then like
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I remember seeing a random clip from like the Joe Ferguson Days and then seeing
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the evolution of the uniforms and even the early Kelly years with the red helmet
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and the blue face mask, and I was always just yeah, if you
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could give me a blue face mask and then something else. I've always been
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enamored with. I've always wanted the Bills to incorporate into their uniform scheme red
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pants with the white jersey. I'm always I remember being little and looking at
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like the Pro Bowl NFL cards of Steve Atwater and Steve Tasker from like whatever,
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like the ninety four Pro Bow or ninety three or whatever, where they're
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wearing the white uniforms the red numbers and it says like all American are all
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Pro Across or Pro Bowl, and then they got the red pants. I
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would love a white jersey with some red pants like that's my You could throw
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some nineties throwbacks in there as well, but a red pant with a white
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jersey and then a blue face mask. Not altogether, but I would love
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to see that incorporated, especially for a team. They have so many cool
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alternative throwback options and teams now left and right are just throwing out all this
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cool stuff and we're not doing anything. Yeah, when's it gonna be our
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turn? Uh? Interesting idea. I'm a big uniform guy, so I
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love this this conversation. Cool. Well, can we agree that if we
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do red pants, the blue jersey is not an option for that? Absolutely
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not. No, it's a way, it's a white jersey only with the
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red pants. Then do you run into like criticism that you're just copying nineties
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Patriots with their red pants and their white jersey with the white helmet. Hmmm,
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fair question. I think if you do it right. No, if
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anything, I would be too afraid of people being like, aren't these just
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the Pro Bowl uniforms from like nineteen ninety three? Right, Well, it's
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not our fault that the Bills populated the Pro Bowl in nineteen ninety three,
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So so many guys or I can even see Titan came in and said,
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like Chiefs because of red pants with the white jersey, but the colors the
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pops are blue and the different shades are gonna make it different. Like you
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still see those pops of yellow with the Chiefs. We wouldn't have that with
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the Bills. I didn't know you were this much of a of a jersey,
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Oh dude. The aesthetics of football, Yeah, I'm really into it,
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like even just different color like uniform combinations on the field and how they
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look against each other. Like it's all important to me. The field design.
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I'm no green end zones oh same yeah, So I mean like there's
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there's so much that I care about with the aesthetics of football. So I've
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always been a huge like painted end zone type of dude. Like I love
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the Bills end zone from the nineties. I loved when the Steelers would make
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their end zone all yellow and the Ravens do the black and the purple like,
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yeah, I'm or the forty nine Ers with the old school font now
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and the end zone's red. Yeah, I'm big into or you get a
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good forty nine Ers Cowboys game, that jersey aesthetic and how it looks and
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meshes even though I got college football twenty five, Like picking my dynasty a
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big thing for me. It's jersey, like, what are my jersey options?
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How good do they look like? It was a huge factor terms of
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what I did well. Why do you think the drought lasted as long as
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it did? I mean, it's punishment for having the green end zones,
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you know, no colored end zones. Ugly. I hated those just as
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much as do you remember that was around the time too, Remember when the
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Steelers were just doing like the white diagonal slash, Yeah, get out of
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here, get all the way out in your eye pre season game. We
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can't do that, right they and they were doing it, and Pitt was
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doing it because they obviously playing the same stadium. Is this like lack of
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care to the end zone? And then the Bills were just like we're just
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going to do this this blue block lettering on the green background. I hated
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it, especially coming from the all red. It was horrendous right right,
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you didn't even know when they scored because Bills is not like it wasn't even
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even fill out the end zone straight up that it was like they ran out
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of paint one time, and we're like, just screw it. Make it
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as small as we can. We can't go bigger. We've run out and
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someone was just like, we can just go buy more paint, and they
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were like, Nope, not an option. Just make it size eleven font
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in the center of the end zone. Oh and the jersey combinations are bad
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at that time too. Yeah, Oh dude, yeah, all time bad.
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Last little thing here. I know, this is not why you brought
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me here. It could have been maybe I was angling for this. Maybe
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it was maybe I kind of subliminally put it into this and here we are.
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I just you know, it's the it's the comfort I have with you
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to just kind of get into crap. I take that I have on fields
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unless you you got to miss me with putting the numbers on every single yard
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line every tibe. Yeah, isn't it just too busy? It's it's hard
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to watch that. I completely agree with you, the busyness of it,
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and especially too like what annoys me with it is I love how they have
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the eye of the tiger aspect at midfield, which I think is such a
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cool aesthetic. But yeah, it's drowned out by every five yards it gets.
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How much cleaner would that look if we didn't have every single yard line
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marked with numbers? We don't need it, like you mark every ten.
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We're good. Everybody knows I will you know. It's so funny that you
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mentioned that. I've always I remember seeing that early on when I was little,
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and it threw me like for a loop. I remember asking my dad.
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I was like, why is it every five? He's like, they
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just do that. I was like, no one else like does? Yeah,
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what the I appreciate the individuality, the uniqueness, but it's like it's
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not good, so let's not do it. No, not good, It's
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not a good thing. No. Oh. I like this from Ralph and
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the comments that. Also, the AFC logo in the end zone, I'm
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a big fan of that too. Give me a nice like big the red
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afs, the red A logo in a corner man the what do you so?
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I? I don't know if I'm fully on board with that. I
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think if you have a short name, it works to kind of fill it
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out there, wouldn't I sort of like in the Super Bowl when it's like
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team logo and then the font with the team name. I'm okay with it.
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I'm okay with either or again, like the one I the Niners do
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it so good too, because it's the old school early like Niners helmet with
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the old school five super good, so good. But yeah, if you
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have a short enough name, I'm down for. I'm down for any combination.
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Give me a name and the helmet, give me the name and the
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confidence logo like something I'm a fan of. Just more of those elements that
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kind of take up and fill the space. So I'm a fan of either
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I just addressed up however you want helmet or logo like, or maybe someone
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gets creative and does something else but your helmet or logo well. And then
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secondary logos rarely are good. I think one of the only good secondary logos
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is like the Jaguars throwback that we're getting to see right now, like so
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that one works. I wish that there were more good secondary logos to like
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accent the field with oh I agree and very well said on the Jags,
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like I've been wanting them to go back to that color so good all design,
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and I don't. And I went back and looked because I was like,
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I've always thought this way, and I didn't know if it was my
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childhood nostalgia of like Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell and Fred Taylor and James Stewart
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and Basselli and like Kevin Hardy and all these dudes. And then they released
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him and I went back and looked again, and I was like, no,
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these jerseys were just they didn't need to be like monkey with you,
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didn't need to change anything. They were so good. And then they went
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like the black Pants. When they started to go away, I was like,
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Okay, that's a finding core. And then they just got too crazy
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and they just they just went off the rails. But I'm liking that they
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went back. They made a decision. It is humbling, though, to
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be at the point in my life where a team that I saw enter the
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NFL, we're now going back to their original uniforms. Like this is supposed
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to be situations where I turn on a football game I see a team playing,
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I'm like, what the hell are those uniforms right, and they're like,
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oh, yeah, they wore those in nineteen sixty five. Well here
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I am right, this is now me it explaining, well, that was
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the original uniform when they became a team in the back in my day,
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when they first came in yeah, twenty I I had a lots of game
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with a twenty year old and explaining that to them. You know what I
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mean, I feel like that with that's a good one. That that is
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right up there with like you know, so and so junior enters like college
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now. And I remember I remember being in nineteen ninety six my dad telling
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me, oh, yeah, like Peyton Manning his dad played in the NFL,
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and Brian Greasy his dad played in the NFL. It's like, oh,
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that's so cool. And now here I am like one of my cousins
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who's like twenty two, is like, oh, did you know, like
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yeah, Frank or like his his dad played in the NFL, And I'm
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like, god, yeah, that makes yeah, just hits you. That's
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why we're here tonight talking about the Bills, right right? Oh one last
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one. Ralph had a good comment here too, the secondary logo the old
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school Eagles won the Eagle with super Yeah. Also the Kelly Green everything just
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everything about it. So why do you think the Bills lost that game?
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You weren't beating them with the Kelly Green. You can't beat that, you
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know what I mean, never had a chance. No, you know what's
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an underrated one two And people might hate on me for it. I love
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the Dolphins, like mid eighties ones with the big logo on the helmet,
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the thing that's the no. Yeah, just that circular logo, the thick
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stripes, how it all pairs together, that teal jersey, like everything is
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just oh, it's such a good color scheme. And that's the old set.
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It is super good too. Yeah, yes, man, this is
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we you know what now? I know for like next off season, it's
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dead time. There's not a lot of stuff to dive into where I'm literally
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gonna mark this. We're gonna do like in a football aesthetic episode, seem
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discussions that we typically like to do. Let's talk, let's talk football jerseys
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and field aesthetics. I'm here for it, man, I'm literally we're gonna
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go college, We're gonna go NFL. This is a good well I have.
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I have endless takes. So when we were scratching the surface, we
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we're twelve minutes in this thing, we are scratching the surface. But when
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I like that, well done, this is good. Okay, So that
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does that leads us perfectly to oh, there we go. So Joe waved.
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Uh when Joe waves on the episode tonight and then has to suddenly disappear.
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He's having some connectivity issues. He made me aware of it earlier today
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or earlier today, earlier when he joined, when we were offline. You
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guys know Joe does his show daily. He was having streamyard issues earlier today,
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so he was great. As soon as he came in. He was
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like, if I disappear randomly, it's because of this. I'll give you
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the handwave and let you know so you can communicate to the viewers. Lo
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and behold he is back. Man. That was my scary as health.
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I had to know you just wave in your mind, right, you knew
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this was a possibility. But I took the opportunity to end our football Bill's
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aesthetics conversation with this absolute gem. That's a listener of Lockdown. Bill sent
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me you have a look at this. This has never been worn before.
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Oh my goodness, Oh so good with like the the blue collar on it
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and everything. Yeah, the collar unbelievable. I love the way the graphic
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like looks on the material. That's a tear is. I promise you it's
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better in person like it is so good, so good. That is a
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one stuff s tier right there. That and they know That's a perfect way.
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I don't like that's the high note anything else. We're just there's nowhere
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to go from here but down, so we'll land it on that. Well
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done, Well done, Oh Joe, like your he said, that was
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the most polite way to announce Wi Fi disruption I've ever seen. We communicated,
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you know, but like kind of like communicating pre snap, you know,
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to be communicated and on the same page, can do the signal,
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you know what I mean. We figured it out, that's it. We
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saw the motion com we knew, we called it out, We switch coverage,
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boom, there we go. All right, let's transition to the topic
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for this evening, which, man, that was a really good discussion.
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I'm literally excited for, like off season twenty twenty five to now do this
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episode with you. Is it June twenty twenty five? Yet we got to
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talk about the volunteers and the checker and end zones. You know, we
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got so much to get into this. It's taking everything I have to not
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continue down this path. Wyoming in Western Michigan. Don't stop, Okay,
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training camp it starts tomorrow or it's real Who cares? Now we're scrapping all
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of it. Yeah, So training camp I guess starts tomorrow tonight is training
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camp Eve. It's kind of important, maybe a little bit what I think
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is nice about this one just kind of like an high level question for you
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as we dive into it. How excited are you for this camp or eager
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or like anxiously anticipating, could positive, negative, whatever, like considering you
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know, you and I have talked about it a bunch in the DMS and
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on your show and on here throughout the offseason. Just the multitude of changes
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for this team from a coaching staff standpoint and from an on the field standpoint,
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I feel like this training camp has a lot to look for and a
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lot to consider in terms of like what you're focusing on, just because of
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all the changes versus teams past and kind of trying to see how everything fits.
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Like are you are you feeling that a little bit going towards this camp?
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Yeah? I think the newness and the unknowns make it super exciting.
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And I think I've had conversations with you at some point even during the season
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last year, where I started to say, I think there's parts of this
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roster that are expired. They have to transition, like they need to do
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what they did, and then they did it, and so you have to
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go through the emotions of what that's like. But it was a very necessary
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medicine to take. And so I like the idea that there's this ushering in
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of the next era of the Josh Allen chapter of Buffalo Bill's Football, and
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it has a different look and feel, and there's similar but new coaching on
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both sides of the football and really a different looking supporting cast offensively in so
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many ways, so many new pieces on defense, and for as exciting as
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the last five years of Bill's Football have been, I think we know how
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it ends. Right. It's where a lot of people would want to be,
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but not ultimately where we want to go. And so I'm I'm excited
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in intries, interested in seeing what this new nucleus can accomplish. So many
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young players that's whether they're rookies that are interesting, but also this wave of
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Terrell Bernard and Kalosha Kiir and James Cook and Osiris Torrents and daltonkon Kate and
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Christian Benford, and like, I want to see it all right, I
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want to see all this come together and get an idea for what the upside
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of this new group is. And so it's exciting and nervous, it's nerve
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wracking, all all of it all at once. But I'm definitely more interested
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and excited than I've been in a long time. That's so well said,
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and I echo a lot of those similar sentiments and in a lot of similar
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ways. I so I'm going, I'm going tomorrow, and I'm going Thursday.
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And I was doing obviously the prep for this episode, and then just
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even my prep for tomorrow, like I like to organize things kind of similar
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to like when I go to the Senior Bowl, like who I'm watching for
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each practice, on what side of the ball, Like where are my eyes
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going? And there were just so many things that I'm kind of like eagerly
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anticipating in a positive way, some with some trepidation, but a lot of
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it just being like I'm excited to see how this side of the ball does
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this, how this player fits in here, what this position group does here.
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And then that kind of funneled into the episode and even you know,
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you messaged me at the end of the last week saying, you know,
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getting it down to so what we're what Joe and I are gonna be doing
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is We're gonna be ranking our top three things to watch for a training camp.
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Could be a person, could be something schematic, could be a position,
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group, could be anything. We cast a wine net to make this
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conversation, as you know, wide reaching as possible, and you from the
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DMS quote getting it down to three is tough and tough as in all caps,
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but you actually really like it because you are forced to really consider what
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those things are. And that's where I was like, for like going,
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I'm like, man, I've got like these eleven things I really want to
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see, and then being forced to kind of quantify them and rank them and
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fit them for here was a really fun thing but also stressful at times that
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I know you you felt a little bit of both those things. To quote
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Anthony in the DMS, you said could be, you said, could be
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as large scale or as granular as you want, literally anything. And I'm
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here to tell you that I took full advantage of the latitude that you have
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provided me. So I was going through this and I was trying to get
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very specific, and that was my first run through. I was like,
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I want to be as specific as I can possibly be. And then I'm
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like, well, if I get too specific, I really avoid too many
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things that I want to talk about. And so, as you'll find out
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here very very shortly, I took a lot of liberty with the range that
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you provided in the criteria, I did that a little as well. My
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number one is like a cheat that includes like seven different things. But then
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my two of my three are a little more specifically and more great. It's
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so tough every anytime I do these episodes, are like, oh, the
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top three, I just get so stressed because I'm quantifying them. So I
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end up just like trying to like, what's an umbrella way that I can
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include seven things as my number three or my number one or my number two.
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All right, we'll start here again. For those playing at home,
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Joe and I reach going through our top three things, and again, like
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Joe said, it could be well, like Joe said that, I said,
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it could be as you know, a wide net. It could be
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as granular as possible, large scale whatever we want. I don't know Joe's
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answers, he doesn't know mine. I'm going to keep that blind until we
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go. For those playing at home and watching live here on YouTube, feel
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free to put up in the comments what you think of each of our answers
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and what you're watching for or looking to watch for in terms of this camp,
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this preseason, anything and everything that's on your mind. I'm gonna star
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as many the comments as I can and a bunch of pieces, and then
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once we bid Joe adieu for the night, I will go back and read
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comments and answer things as we wind down the show. Joe, you are
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the guests. The floor is yours. We'll start with your number three,
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unless you really feel strongly about your one and you want to start with number
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one. You can start any way you want. I leave it up to
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you can start with one, you can start with three. I guess you
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could start with two if you really wanted to. But whatever you want,
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pick whatever you want. The floor is genuinely yours. Gonna be strategic here
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and pick my number one thing. Because of what you said, it gave
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me an idea that we could have some overlaps, So I'm gonna beat you
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to the punch here, Anthony am My number one thing that I'm very excited
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to observe a training camp are the rookies. Okay, it's the rookies,
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and I know that that opens up a lot, but there's just so much
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there. This was a foundational draft class in so many different ways that presents
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a lot of interest, and I think it starts with Keon Coleman, the
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top pick in the draft. The guy build to be the X receiver and
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I kind of look at this X receiver position and I feel like the snaps
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are going to be more competitive than maybe we're giving credits. Keon Coleman in
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the mix, Marquez Vound the scantling in the mix, Chase Claypool in the
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mix, Mac Collins in the mix, and I don't know that any one
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player is going to consistently dominate all the snaps. I think it's going to
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be very game plan specific. Maybe there's times where you want to work the
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defense vertically, that's an MVS. Game. Maybe there's games where you want
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to get the RPOs and the glance routes going and get some yards after catch
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and that's a key On Coleman game. Maybe there's times where you want to
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use wide zone runs and perimeter screens and you want to have the blocking ability,
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and that's more into the Mac Collins type player. Right. So I
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think that it's going to be very specific. I doubt that any one player
22:52
is just going to have a death grip on it and be like Gabe Davis
22:56
eighty percent of the snaps every single week. You know, Keon Coleman and
23:00
what he does in year one, being mindful of what I just said,
23:03
fascinating Cole Bishop at safety? What's the role is he starting? If he's
23:10
not starting, is there a role for a third safety? Is he the
23:11
third safety? I think that he's just such a player that I want to
23:17
get a feel for him at camp because I feel like in OTAs in mini
23:19
camp, nobody was talking about Cole Bishop. And it's not like safety is
23:22
not a position where you can hear things. We heard all about themar Hamlin,
23:26
right, we heard all about the mar Hamlet, nothing about Cole Bishop.
23:29
What's the deal there? I want to find out Dwayne Carter as a
23:32
three technique? Is he showing up as a rookie to hold off a guy
23:37
like DeShawn Williams from either making the roster or earning you know, snaps over
23:41
him as a backup to ed Oliver Ray Davis. How big is the role?
23:45
I mean, it's a fourth round pick in a year where James Cook
23:48
was really good, but maybe there was a little bit too much volume and
23:51
he wore down bit down the stretch and they want to have more of a
23:55
shared workload. And how much does Ray Davis eat into that. What do
23:59
we see from said Van Pran Granger as a rookie in terms of do they
24:02
give him chances to play guard? Does he show enough promise for us to
24:04
think, well, maybe next year he could start at if jan Yulafosio.
24:08
Can he hold off guy like Dion Jones from the roster or bailin specter at
24:14
linebacker Javon Solomon. Can he be a steels pass rusher that had all the
24:17
production in the world in college? Tyland Grable, I mean, what a
24:21
fascinating guy that is all the size, length and athleticism you could want.
24:23
I thought the tape was rough, but if there's a coach that can get
24:26
it out of him, it's Aaron Cromer. I mean, look at what
24:29
he's done with Ryan Vandermark Day, Kwan Hardy. I thought his tape was
24:32
good in the slot. I think he could be a good part returner for
24:34
this team. He's just so small. Yeah, but the tape is fun.
24:37
Travis Clayton, a rugby player that's gonna try to play football. That's
24:41
gonna be fun to watch, Gable Steveson. I mean, could there be
24:45
more intriguing players when it comes to a rookie class? And so yeah,
24:49
I gave you like a million different things right there. But I want to
24:52
see these rookies. I want to see what they can do in year one,
24:56
and I want to get an idea for what the team has in mind
24:57
for these guys, and we'll get our opportunity to see that at training camp.
25:02
I was trying to just not laugh uncontrollably why you spoke, because I
25:06
didn't want to be distracting or like potentially seem rude. So I my number
25:11
one is large scale. I was gonna do this for my number two,
25:17
but I didn't want to go large scale, large scale back to back,
25:22
so I kept this like I was like, eh, I'm gonna talk.
25:25
I decided to talk it up into pieces rather than cheat twice because I had
25:29
already cheated once and I felt like that was a lot. I'm right there
25:32
and lockstep with you, like this rookie class is so interesting in a vacuum
25:37
for twenty twenty four because of everything you laid out, but then even more
25:40
so going forward in terms of kind of alluding to what you know you talk
25:44
about high level as we let into this segment, like the old guard basically
25:49
being done away with in a variety of ways on this team. So not
25:52
only seeing like, oh, who looks good in camp for twenty twenty four,
25:56
which granted, you can't just completely extrapa latencye who whatever anything any rookie
26:02
does in twenty twenty four doesn't necessarily mean that's what they're going to be for
26:03
their career, but really seeing what this class can mean for twenty twenty four
26:08
and also potentially going forward just where the bills are financially Granted things have changed
26:12
a little bit with the departure of Stefan Diggs, but seeing the state that
26:17
this roster is in where it's not a complete rebuild and blow up, but
26:21
it's more of a revamping, and that notion of trying to stem the tide
26:26
in both directions where you're trying to turn things over and get better, but
26:30
you're also trying to maintain how competitive you are and still compete for division titles
26:37
and conference championships and things like that, Like that's a hard thing to try
26:41
to balance on the tightrope, and I think the Bills on paper have kind
26:45
of done a pretty decent job of that with who they brought in and how
26:48
they've turned it around. And there's so many pieces and aspects that I'm extremely
26:53
intrigued to see just from an individual players standpoint and then seeing how they tie
27:00
in from a high level and a structural standpoint that I again tying it into
27:06
going to camp tomorrow and Thursday, I really thought like as I was putting
27:10
my list together of what to watch and who to watch for, I was
27:12
like, Yeah, I really could just do rookies. And I think that's
27:15
something people would be interested in. It's something that I'm interested in because there's
27:18
so many storylines and domino effects attached to Honestly, like you can make a
27:23
case for all of them like you just did, and then several are real
27:27
focal points in terms of if they work or if they don't, and how
27:32
they work. If they do work, really leads to a hold offshoot in
27:34
terms of possibilities, no question, dude. So like there's there's ninety one
27:41
players on this roster, so there's ninety one things that I'm extremely interested in.
27:45
But from the player's perspective, I thought, how these rookies fit into
27:51
the mix well in a way provide a lot of clarity about the other storylines
27:56
for those position groups. And so I it's a lot to bake into one
28:02
thing. But you know, I told you I took a lot of while
28:04
I like it, and honestly, again I did the same thing. It's
28:07
I have all these notes for it that echo a lot of what you said.
28:11
I just didn't want to go into it so much because they mirror a
28:12
lot of what you said, and I didn't want to be redundant. But
28:15
I literally had it and like copied it and just moved it off and put
28:18
something else because I was like, I just I felt guilty taking liberties that
28:22
much with two out of my three, like I did with my one.
28:23
That's funny. I like that. I like that, So I'll go back
28:27
with my number one. And again, this one's wide scale. This is
28:32
the one I one hundred percent cheated with right off rip I just titled it
28:36
like the offensive schematics and the structure, And this ties into Keon Coleman a
28:40
little bit and a lot of that wide receiver conversation. So something I've talked
28:42
about a bunch of this offseason. I'm not going to get into the weeds
28:45
with it again because I've done that so much of so many episodes here.
28:48
I've talked so much about how the departure of Stefan Diggs and the addition of
28:56
Keon Coleman and really just the changing of body types that wide receiver for this
29:00
Bills team, that when you combine what the Bills can throw at you at
29:04
eleven and twelve personnel, you have two rooms in your wide receiver room and
29:10
your tight end room that kind of mirror one another and allow the Bills to
29:14
operate similarly in each personnel grouping. You can go spread out of eleven personnel,
29:19
or you can go power and kind of run it down someone's throat.
29:22
If you put in Kean Coleman and Mac Collins and MBS Curtis Samuel is a
29:27
better blocker than he gets credit for. Khalil Shakir started to come on as
29:30
a blocker last year. We'll see who ends up being, you know,
29:33
wide receiver five six, whatever happens there, and then you go into the
29:36
tight end room where you've got Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox who both provide receiving
29:40
upside and athleticism and past catching ability, but both can function as blockers.
29:45
Dalton Kincaid less so of an inline why type than Dawson Knox, but still
29:48
can get the job one, especially against Nichols, especially against safeties. And
29:52
he's a willing blocker against defensive lineman and defensive tackle or second level defenders.
29:57
And I look at at what they have there, and Shakir and Samuel are
30:04
honestly kind of like when you look at skill sets in the wide receiver and
30:07
tight end room, but even just wide receiver, Shakir and Curtis Samuel are
30:11
basically like the outliers of the group in terms of like the size, frame,
30:15
physicality, aspect, body type compared to the mc collinses, the MBS's,
30:21
the Keon Coleman's potentially Chase Claypool, like these bigger type of dudes.
30:26
And I'm really looking for this year the Bills to reduce their formational with Last
30:32
year they had the second highest formational with in the league. In twenty twenty
30:36
three, they were fourth in the Dorsey Weeks and then they were first.
30:41
So the widest formations basically like the largest amount of spread in the Brady weeks
30:45
in the regular season, the five teams with the lowest formational with in twenty
30:51
twenty three going from lowest San Francisco forty nine ers, Los Angeles Rams,
30:56
Miami Dolphins, Houston Texans, Detroit Lions all very good offenses. And if
31:00
we go by EPA per play, the Niners first and EPA per play,
31:03
the Rams ninth, the Dolphins fourth, the Texans fifteenth but had some CJ.
31:07
Strout injury pieces, and then the Lions were eighth in EPA per play.
31:12
And I look at the trends in this league and how you zig when
31:17
defenses are zagging, and I see defenses we all know the conversation too high
31:22
coverage structures and nicolas base and smaller defensive tackles to penetrate and attack the QB,
31:26
YadA, YadA. And a way to counter that is by going with
31:30
athletic, bigger bodies like Dalton Kinkaid and Dawson Knox in twelve personnel aspects,
31:36
or going with more physical, bigger body, willing blockers in your eleven personnel.
31:41
I really look for the Bills to borrow from two teams, in particular,
31:47
the Los Angeles Rams and the Detroit Lions. The Rams had a ninety
31:51
five percent eleven personnel rate in twenty twenty three, but their run game was
31:56
very good. They were seventh in EPA for running back runs, six in
32:00
EPA per attempt for running back runs, and out of eleven personnel. They
32:04
were fifth in EPA for running back runs and sixth in EPA per attempt.
32:08
Pukinnakua Cooper Cup tremendous pass catchers, very good as receivers actual receivers, but
32:15
they block like tight ends. You can insert them on second level dudes.
32:19
They can wash down edges, they can erase nickels and do all that kind
32:22
of fun stuff. And then you look at the Detroit Lions, who last
32:25
year had a sixty four percent eleven personnel usage rate, and so much as
32:30
talked about I'm on Ross Saint Brown and Sam Laporida and even Jamison Williams,
32:34
and rightfully so, giving their skill sets and excitement, but I'm on Rossaint
32:37
Brown is a dog as a blocker. And then after him the receivers with
32:42
the second and third most snaps for the Detroit Lions, Josh Reynolds and Donovan
32:46
Peoples Jones, and you go and you turn on the tape the NFC Championship
32:50
game, for example, that first drive, really that whole first half,
32:52
and the Lions are just working it. I'm on Ross Saint Brown is just
32:55
crushing the Niners Nickel leonore like left and right, and then Reynolds is sitting
33:00
there again, all in condensed formations. Reynolds is sitting there washing Nick Bosa
33:07
left and right and just escorting him down the line, sealing him. And
33:09
Gibbs is out the front door, Montgomery is out the front door, and
33:13
the Lions are another team overall second in the league in rushing EPA per attempt
33:17
for running back carries and out of eleven personnel, they were first in EPA
33:23
and third in EPA per tempt, and they also had a forty eight percent
33:27
gap run rate out of eleven personnel. Rams went with gap as well,
33:30
but maybe because they run a lot to do a lot of it and pairing
33:32
it with their zone. I look for the Bills with their body types that
33:37
they have at wide receiver and tight end. With the trends that we're seeing
33:40
defensively, and how this offense is starting to move and the solid foundation they
33:45
already have of knowing who they are in the run game and what they can
33:49
do. Granted it may change a little bit given the changes up front of
33:51
the offensive line, but I'm looking for those schematic pieces early on in terms
33:58
of formational win right off the bat. I want to see how many condensed
34:01
sets are they going. Are they going with tight bunch, are they you
34:05
know, putting an in line tight end and then you know, hipping somebody
34:07
off. How many heavy personnel groupings are they using, are they using how
34:12
much are they going spread versus condensed out of those heavier personnel groupings or eleven
34:16
Really just the ability to put a defense into a bind because of the body
34:20
types they have at eleven and twelve, and just tying that all in with
34:23
the personnel groupings, the wide receiver usage and reps Dalton Kincaid maybe getting some
34:29
more work as kind of an X receiver, and then seeing some of the
34:31
run game stuff in terms of gap and zone. They were one of the
34:35
leaders last year in gap scheme runs. How much does that stay, how
34:38
much tackle pull are they leaning into or if they go more condensed which works
34:44
better with duo, and then wide zone and zone in general, and then
34:46
how you can marry the run in the past with it in terms of building
34:50
your play action game off of it. So that was my kind of cheat
34:53
wide scale, large scale answer. It really starts with the condensed formation aspect,
34:59
just because I think that's where that's where I think you best use the
35:02
wide receivers that you have, like the mac collins is and the key On
35:06
Coleman's and mbs and all those guys like Grant. Not that you can't go
35:09
spread, and the Bills still will. They're not just all of a sudden
35:12
just going to become this closed type formation type of team, but really just
35:15
taking advantage of the size and athleticism and using it to kind of put defenses
35:20
into a bind out of power looks, but then also out of spread in
35:23
both eleven and twelve, and then all the trappings that come with it.
35:27
Love that talking point, and it's interesting the offenses that you brought up.
35:31
I mean, they're all teams and offenses that prioritize wide receivers that block,
35:37
right, it's no no block, no rock. That's definitely a thing that
35:38
you hear in those places. Yeah, and people like the gloss over things
35:46
like cornerbacks and tackling and wide receivers and blocking, but those are critical traits.
35:52
Like just because you're not the one catching the football and creating yards doesn't
35:54
mean that you're not creating offense for your team. And so I think it's
35:59
I love that you brought that up. And it's definitely something that the Bills
36:01
from a personnel perspective, are built to be able to do with the size
36:06
that they've added a wide receiver and kind of just make defenses wrong no matter
36:09
how they align, because you do have so many big bodies and versatility that
36:14
you can tap into. Also interesting that you had four Shanahan offenses there,
36:19
and then of course the line is so that was kind of fun to kind
36:23
of think that through. But I didn't. I never knew that correlation between
36:29
formational WITHID and some of the better offenses in the NFL, and I would
36:31
have never guessed that the Bills led the way in terms of with that kind
36:37
of surprises me. And but I think there's a case to be made that
36:39
maybe some of Josh Allen's best football has come with that, right with Brian
36:45
Dayball and really spacing the field and picking out matchups and all that. So
36:50
it's fascinating because whether it's that, whether it's the types of receivers that they
36:55
have, it's not necessarily where we've seen the best Josh Allen. So how
37:00
does that work together? It's gonna be fascinating to find out. But I
37:04
love that talking point. And that's a great point too, because the Bills,
37:07
to your point, like, haven't needed to do that. It's been
37:10
like our mutant is Josh Allen. We're gonna spread you out so we can
37:15
help him identify coverages easier pre snap, and then we're going to attack you.
37:19
And it's also too, I mean, like one of their best run
37:22
concepts last year is all those tackle pull runs work so well out of spread,
37:25
and it's such a great complimentary piece out of spread, and then if
37:29
you add the RPO element into it, it's just like, Okay, we're
37:31
just gonna go two by two gun and spread all the time, and good
37:36
luck trying to stop it. But what initially brought me to so the formational
37:39
with was the part that came second when I initially did this work in the
37:44
offseason. The reason I started with those offenses, and it's funny how it's
37:46
tied into the formational piece each of those five offenses. Maybe not the Texans
37:53
as much, but the Niners, the Rams, the Dolphins, and the
37:55
Lions all have a player or players that operate in a way that allow you
38:04
to access more of the menu without having to turn the page. Being in
38:07
a certain personnel grouping and being able to do almost anything you want out of
38:12
it, or putting a defense into a buying. The Niners are filled with
38:15
those dudes Debo and McCaffrey and George Kittle, but then the presidence of Kyle
38:20
Uscheck like they run so much twenty two and twenty one. Because you can
38:22
do anything you want with you Check. He can block as a true full
38:24
back, you can put him out in the route distribution from the backfield or
38:28
lined up like as a wide receiver pre snap. The Rams already mentioned what
38:32
they can do with Cupp and Puka as blockers and pass catchers. The Dolphins
38:37
do similar things with alec Ingele like the Niners do with Kyle Yustcheck. He's
38:42
the guy that's leading their whole RPO flood game and he's running that wheel route
38:45
and it's like, Okay, do we match with bass or can our nickel
38:49
guy mash against him in the run, Like what do we do there?
38:52
And then again with the Lions, they're eleven personnel grouping bigger, bodied,
38:55
physical, willing, blocking wide receivers who can also function as pass catchers.
39:00
Granted, they have a really tremendous offensive line and that helps them lean into
39:04
the run game in the play action game. But that's where I think this
39:07
Bills offense is, like I think at the end of the year, kin
39:10
Kid could be a guy where we say that's the guy who It's like he
39:15
can go get you a bucket, he can go win one on one,
39:17
and you're confident it right now, I think the offense is built more for
39:22
mismatch creation, Joe Brady pushing the right buttons and pulling the right levers and
39:28
really kind of taking advantage of schematics as much as he can and creating leverage
39:31
with motion and shifts and doing all of these pieces. And that tying into
39:36
something you said, which is, you know, you were talking about the
39:39
rookies and you talked about Coleman and the wide receiver grouping. I really think
39:43
that's why you're going to see so many different things from week to week,
39:45
because this week might be a heavy eleven personnel run it down your throat.
39:49
Week, next week it might be have eleven personnel spread and pass. The
39:52
next week it might be a lot of twelve or a lot of twenty two
39:55
or whatever. They've got this grouping of people of play that are you know,
40:01
the sum is greater than the individual parts, and it's all on Joe
40:05
Brady to maximize them and push those buttons at the right time. And a
40:08
lot of those top offenses that I mentioned did that by starting with those versatile
40:14
pieces but then adding in the lower formational with to really put a defense into
40:17
a bind with less tells than marrying the run in the past and kind of
40:22
putting the defense through hell and trying to have to account for everything. Well,
40:27
I think your talking point there's a good segue into my second talking point,
40:30
which is the coordinators. I think all three of them I want to
40:37
I want to lump in Matthew Smiley here. I think it's something that I'm
40:39
really interested in finding out. And I know that you got into a very
40:44
specific conversation about Joe Brady and formational with and the versatility of skill sets and
40:50
how that can force matchups. There's a lot of interesting things there. But
40:54
and from a higher level with with Joe Brady hard to come in and coordinate
41:00
someone else's offense, right, That's exactly what he did in the middle of
41:04
the season. And so the whole time we knew, well, he's not
41:08
going to be able to put his full stamp on this unit in the middle
41:13
of the season. Well, now he's had an offseason, Yes, and
41:16
he's been involved in personnel obviously, and like you said, it's kind of
41:22
on him to piece it all together. And so what does that look like?
41:27
And same thing like Bobby Babbage, he's been around, but this is
41:30
his first crack to be the defensive coordinator. For him, I'm really fascinated
41:34
in finding out just how much in command he is of the defense. Like,
41:37
yes, and you and I both have been to enough Bill's practices to
41:40
see what it looks like when Sean mcdermot's defense corner. See what it looks
41:43
like when Leslie Fraser is a defensive coordinator. How is that different than when
41:45
Bobby Babbage is the defensive coordinator? And I know that everyone's interested in who's
41:49
going to call the defense and all that type of stuff. But I'm just
41:52
generally trying to get a feel for what is his identity and can we feel
41:54
it on this defense? And now both of those guys coming in, and
41:59
the buzz word that we hear for both of them, whether it's players or
42:01
coaches commenting on them is juice. Right, they bring a lot of juice,
42:05
a lot of energy, and so there's going to be that piece of
42:07
it. But also, all right, you can be energetic, you can
42:10
have juice, all of that. Can you run an offense, can you
42:14
run a defense? Can you layer together and sequence plays? And I think
42:16
that's going to be fascinating to find out on both sides the football. But
42:21
then I do want to lump in Matthew Smiley, who his first season on
42:23
the job, you know, however you want to measure special teams, he
42:27
ranked very very high. The next year on the job not so much,
42:30
and we saw some concerning regression in the number of character categories. And so
42:34
not only are you kind of curious in finding out this year about Matthew Smiley,
42:38
but I mean Tyler Bass and can he be the kicker of the bills
42:43
of paying him to be the punter battle between Sam Martin and Jack Browning?
42:46
Is there really a battle there? But also the kickoff stuff, right,
42:51
I mean, this is a I've been on a record of saying this is
42:53
the most significant rule change that's happened in my lifetime in the NFL. And
42:59
I think it's no one's going to figure it out this year, right,
43:00
It's going to literally week to week there's gonna be evolution with it. I've
43:05
talked myself into circles into thinking about what this is going to be. Like,
43:07
I almost thought to myself, is it going to come a point where
43:12
teams say, you know what, we don't want to deal with this.
43:15
Here's the touchback start from the thirty? Right? Like? Is that a
43:17
possibility? We'll find out. But how the Bills plan on covering kickoffs,
43:22
how they plan on returning kickoffs, so much of that's depending on what Matthew
43:28
Smiley's vision is for it. And so I think with all three of these
43:31
coordinators, there are massive storylines that exist. But just generally speaking, as
43:36
I think about, all right, what am I excited about for camp?
43:39
I want to see these coordinators and how they plan on attacking the season.
43:44
I love that answer, I want to touch on Brady and Babbage for a
43:46
little bits. That's something I've touched on throughout the off season, even you
43:51
and I have touched on on Lockdown as we've been going through this offseason,
43:54
even when I had you out for the draft as well. Like that.
43:57
Yeah, that presence of starting with Brady, and it's something that I don't
44:00
think can be understated. The idea of you know, last year was not
44:06
Joe Brady's offense. It is impossible to uninstall an offense and install a new
44:10
one mid year week eleven ten when yeah, week eleven, when that happened,
44:15
It's impossible. So he was running Dorsey's offense with some of his little
44:19
tweaks and variations and things he liked to incorporate it. You put as many
44:22
of those elements as you can into it, but it's not your offense.
44:25
So seeing what a full what the full Joe Brady experience looks like this year,
44:30
I think is super fun and incorporating. And he's talked about it a
44:32
little bit right, like keeping some of the Dorsey elements, and Dorsey kept
44:36
some of the Day Bowl elements, Like you want to just keep what Josh
44:37
is comfortable with, but what really is his spin or his take on things?
44:44
And you know, I think the biggest thing last year, like all
44:46
jokes aside, was like more Tai Johnson and then more schemed up routes for
44:52
the running backs and plays that are designed to go to the running backs taking
44:53
advantage of that. But I'm interested to see how I thought he did a
44:58
good job of as opposed to do or who. Dorsey's offense I think was
45:00
very cerebral for a quarterback. It was very much like this over here,
45:05
beats, this this over there beats that go out, read the coverage,
45:07
execute and then mixing in those option routes with it as well. It was
45:10
very cerebral, a lot of thinking and a lot of time on task mentally
45:15
in order to make it work. I thought Brady did a little bit better
45:20
of making everything flow from one side to the other and kind of not making
45:23
things easier for Josh in terms of his reads, but allowing things to play
45:27
out and allowing him to do things simpler or more efficiently from a progression standpoint,
45:31
and tying things in. I like how we incorporated more for strong and
45:36
just the ability to kind of drain those zones and mixing them more like for
45:40
strong killed them with it. Yeah, they use it a ton, the
45:44
multiple completions to knocks out of it. The touchdown to Cook, Yeah,
45:47
the touchdown the Cook was off four strong, Like that's such a really fun
45:51
element and it was ironic that it came against the Chiefs who Andy Reed has
45:53
been using four strong stuff for like for Friak and ever and yees seeing what
45:57
his rig when he gets his full hands to this offense. What does it
46:00
look like going in? So I think that's a great point. The Babbage
46:04
one is super fun too. That's something else I had it as like a
46:07
little element. Then I'm looking for tomorrow, like when they go team and
46:09
they're doing those pieces exactly like you said, like you can tell when the
46:15
defense is being run by McDermott or when it's being run by somebody else,
46:17
And my eyes are going to be glued to Babbage and seeing like is he
46:22
sitting back or is he on the walkie coordinating everything and choreographing this dance and
46:25
kind of because we still haven't really gotten any concrete, like you know,
46:30
he's the DC, but I'm calling the plays. They've kind of kept that
46:32
close to the vest. Very interested with that, and I love the piece
46:36
with Smiley and special teams in general. I really think to your point of
46:40
nobody figuring it out this year, I think within that the teams that figure
46:47
it out the best early on could really steal like a couple games potentially in
46:52
the first like half of the season or quarter of the season, until everybody
46:55
catches up and it's like, Okay, this team's crushing it. Let's copycat
47:00
what they do. Let's put tons of heavy dudes as the nine guys blocking
47:04
up front. Let's run this trick play, Let's do this. Let's change
47:07
our coverage unit like this. The idea of special teams mattering again is something
47:12
that I love. Devin Hester is one of my favorite players of all time,
47:15
and it was I thought it was always must see TV anytime there was
47:17
a kickoff or a punt, even Dante Hall for the Chiefs a little bit
47:22
before that, like I just thought, oh, there was a Josh Cribbs,
47:25
Oh Josh Cribbs. Yeah. Like and then even going back to the
47:29
day with like with Mitchell and Metcalf and all those dudes that kind of make
47:32
like made returning something special. Even with the Bills. Terrence McGee was like,
47:37
yeah, they would kick and you got out of your seat. Now
47:39
like now that when when games start, I'm in my seat ready for kickoff,
47:45
But I also know, like I can't wait another couple of minutes.
47:46
They're just going to kick it out of the end zone and then the team's
47:49
going to take the ball and it's going to be nothing. And let alone
47:51
the schematic component with it now, not just the volume of returns we'll see,
47:53
but the schematic element attached to it. I think that's a really great
47:58
point because I want to know who who takes advantage of it the most early
48:04
on, and then what do teams do to counter it or then copy it
48:07
going forward. So that's a cool one because it impacts the Bills, but
48:09
also something that's tied into league wide as well. And yeah, you can
48:13
make a case really for any of the coordinators and all some of the individual
48:16
coaches as well. That was very well stated. I like that, Listen.
48:20
I lived through the drought era Bills, and I remember kickoff return with
48:23
Terence McGee and kick a punt return with Roscoe Parrish being the best chances the
48:28
Bills had to score. So I looked forward to those plays. He kidding
48:30
me? And then I also remember who was that guy that they had?
48:34
Was it? Who was that dB? I had his name and I lost
48:38
it. No, it wasn't M. Calvin Well geez, he was good
48:42
until the Who was that boring? He's Watson was his last name. Watson
48:47
was a Chris Watson. It's his dB that they wind up using all the
48:52
time as a returner, and he never did anything exciting. I have to
48:54
look that stay tuned. I shouldn't brought that up if I couldn't execute,
48:58
but I know I like it. I should have been able to use a
49:00
threw up the alley. I should have been able to oop it. Is
49:00
it Chris Watson? Is that his name? Now? I want to really
49:04
know what you went in the drought? M This is gonna drive me nuts.
49:12
He's driving me nuts. Somebody in the chats got to know what I'm
49:15
talking. I would say, somebody in the chat help out. No,
49:16
it's not roscal Paris. We got Roscoe. No, he wasn't good.
49:20
He just got a ton of opportunity. Was somebody who was not good?
49:23
It's Chris Watson. No, I was okay, Damn Chris Chris Watson.
49:28
Yes, what years two thousand to two thousand and two. Oh wow,
49:32
I don't even remember. Well, he had one season as the primary guy.
49:38
He ever, Okay, this, I'm not wrong about this. Four
49:40
point nine yards per return on thirty three attempts. That's horrible. Point nine.
49:45
Oh, Bill's fever came close. As you answered, he said the
49:49
punt catcher under Wade Phillips. So that's him. This is him, Yeah,
49:52
this is him. He was so boring. So damn. Yeah,
49:57
that's not good. Twenty point three yards per kick return. I mean he's
50:00
that's brutal. I mean he told you he stinks. Chris Watson catching strays
50:07
over here? Yeah, not great. His birthday was June thirtieth, turned
50:12
forty seven, So happy for Daniel came in and gave this Jim. He
50:15
said Watson was a CB. We traded a fourth round from Denvers during the
50:20
Phillips here. Wow, great pole and he wind up just being a bad
50:22
pick returner. Wow. Great poll. Yeah that escapes me. I think
50:27
I blocked out a ton of that time because of as I was coming into
50:31
my fandom, and I've talked about this before, Like all I grew up
50:34
was obviously like the nineties Bills and all the adults telling me how great the
50:37
Bills were. And the first playoff game I got geeked up for was when
50:40
Natron Means and the Jags ran all over the Bills in Buffalo and beat them.
50:45
And then the Music City miracle I felt came like right after that,
50:47
So I think like I've just mentally scarred out those times. That's a great
50:51
I'd like all the chat came through, well done, good times. Oh
50:54
oh, and he's Daniel said, Wade described him as a punt catcher.
50:59
This is all true. What a great what a great moment for us to
51:02
be able to Yeah, Bill's fever earlier said the punt catcher underweight. I
51:07
love this. Yes, during the two thous I'm on his Wikipedia page here,
51:15
and then he was traded the Lions before two thousand and three but never
51:17
appeared in the game. Okay, wow, absolutely brutal. What a time,
51:22
What a fun time to be a Bills fan. Then, oh man,
51:25
good poll. I like see you see you actually brought more by not
51:30
having the answer readily available and then going down, and it brought some fun
51:32
excitement. I like it. You're just bringing all the off topics. See
51:37
I mean, I'm glad I'm here because I got a chance to stay up
51:40
late and I've not been doing that, and I gotta start doing it with
51:44
the season coming up. You know, normally I'm asleep by now. You
51:45
know, So this is true. This is Joe's mind as he tries to
51:49
go to sleep. Here, It is Marino at night, kind of just
51:52
having leaning that bean style. I like it. That was fun. All
51:54
the off topics stuff has be so excited ton I just keep making me want
51:58
to be like, scrap everything we're talking about my number two, not the
52:02
sexiest, but one that just keeps coming back to me. I want to
52:07
see how the depth chart at edge shakes out. I think we've got Greg
52:10
Russo who is the clear one. But then what happens at two and does
52:16
what happens at camp carry into this season? For example, like if we
52:22
if we're not seeing a lot of von Miller heavily featured in camp or the
52:25
preseason, is that just a sign of him having a reduced or a specialized
52:30
role or is it just like, no, we know who vonn is.
52:32
We're kind of keeping the horse in the stable and he'll get some more Edge
52:36
two stuff once the season starts. Also baked into that conversation, is aj
52:40
Apanessa ready to be a full time Edge two That's kind of what my anticipation
52:45
is like. I feel like in terms of snapshare, I feel like he
52:49
sees the Edge two snaps this season opposite of group, but last year granted
52:53
somewhat smaller sample size in terms of how much he rushed the quarterback and when
52:58
he did didn't let have a lot of stuff and known passing downs. But
53:00
despite all that, he was tied for twenty seventh in pass rush productivity amongst
53:05
one hundred and eighteen qualifying edges. He was first in beat and passes,
53:08
which was a legitimate aspect of his game. He was able to drop into
53:12
coverage on simulated pressures and creepers and displayed his athleticism. Can he maintain what
53:16
he showed last year? Can he maintain that success with a larger sample size
53:22
and be consistent as a pass rusher and as a run defender either way?
53:27
I think the top three is kind of set when you're looking at groot Epanessa,
53:30
and I think Vaughn returns to enough form that he's like an Edge three
53:34
Edge two, some kind of piece in there. And then after that,
53:37
who comes in at edge four? Who comes in at edge five? Do
53:39
they keep five edges? Do they maybe keep six? Because someone has some
53:44
versatility, And I look at someone like Duan Smoot, who if he can
53:47
get close to his pre achilles form, his production and skill set and play
53:52
style should almost lock him into a roster spot. The physicality, the ability
53:57
to compress the pocket, the ability as a spiker and cause disruption but also
54:01
get penetration in two man games. Plus he can reduce down in known passing
54:06
situations, which also helps with the roster flexibility and again maybe allows them to
54:09
do some different things with how they keep or with who they keep in twenty
54:13
twenty two before he tore his achilles. He tore his achilles in week sixteen
54:17
that year. In December, amongst one hundred and twenty six qualifying edges,
54:21
he was tied for thirty six and pass rush productivity, He was tied for
54:24
fifty six in total pressures, he was tied for fifty third in hurries,
54:28
and he was tied for thirty first and win percentage. I would take that
54:30
as my edge four every single day of the week. If he can get
54:35
back to being that guy. And as I've said on the show, if
54:37
you remember the Bills playing the Jags and not doing so good, he had
54:40
good games against the Bills on multiple occasions. And then if you keep him,
54:45
if he's the four, who's edge five? Is it Javon Solomon?
54:49
Is it Casey two Hill? Is it Kingsley Jonathan? Do they look for
54:52
more of athleticism and pass rush potential. If so, does that that leans
54:59
more into solid the man and Kingsley? Or do they want more known quantity
55:01
and run defense. If so, that means more Casey two Hill. How
55:05
do special teams impact who they keep? We know they rotate so much and
55:09
the defensive line is so important, and I think the interior, I think
55:14
it's pretty set in terms of ed Day, Kwon Carter, and for me,
55:19
it's Austin Johnson is the backup one tech behind Daikon. Granted it could
55:22
be Williams, but I think it'll be Austin Johnson. And what they do
55:25
at edge is obviously so important because I don't think they have a top tier
55:30
pass rusher yet, though group could make that jump, but I do think
55:34
they have all this depth. They have all these b players at edge,
55:37
and I don't mean that negatively. I just mean they have a lot of
55:39
dudes they can rotate and then try to use situationally. But does anyone emerge
55:44
from a top tier perspective and who rounds out that group? Because whoever rounds
55:49
it out is gonna see snaps because of how much they rotate, and then
55:52
how that ties into what they do with defensive tackle in terms of roster keeping
55:55
and everything. I think that that for me is a big one. I
55:59
love that talking point. And yeah, I'm glad you brought up the efficiency
56:01
that Epanessa had and if you just extrapolate that like pre rib injury and post
56:07
rib injury, he was really good weeks one through thirteen in terms of Pro
56:13
Football Focus pass rush productivity tenth in the NFL amongst edge rushers with at least
56:19
one hundred snaps rushing the passer, and then a week's fourteenth through the divisional
56:22
round, he's ninety four amongst edge rushers that have forty. He was really
56:28
in a You know, you had two hundred and twenty one pass rush snaps
56:30
for the season. I'm sure you can add one hundred, one hundred and
56:34
twenty two that this coming season, can he take what he did in that
56:37
sample size over a greater sample size, Because if so, I mean he's
56:39
gonna be a pretty impactful player. I'm fascinated to find that out. But
56:45
I love this Special Teams conversation as it relates to these edge rushers because I
56:49
think it's gonna matter a ton, especially because I think these kick returns are
56:52
now going to be in some ways just like wide zone runs. And that's
56:55
what defensive ends do. They set edges, they create leverage, they keep
56:59
an outside arm free, and they make tackles like that's what they do.
57:01
And I think that will help you a lot with the covering of kicks.
57:06
But then also I think you want enough size plus athleticism to be able to
57:09
block in space on the kick return, and like, maybe there's a role
57:13
for these guys, And so I do look at Kingsley Jonathan slash Javon Solomon
57:16
slash Casey two Hill, all competing for one spot. I think that Solomon
57:22
has the upper hand as the draft pick that I think has the most rush
57:25
potential. Kingsley Jonathan's interesting to me, but let's be real, I mean,
57:30
he wasn't even that impactful at Syracuse, and his best season was followed
57:34
up as a is a year that he didn't even start for Syracuse. Right
57:37
like he went, he goes to the Bears, a team that's been desperate
57:38
for edge. He didn't stick there. Like he's interesting, but I want
57:42
to keep him in perspective. And then two Hill, Dude, I didn't
57:45
like the tape man. I just thought he was a try hard guys know,
57:47
he's like running. He's got a motor, which is fine. I
57:50
don't know, man, you gotta be more technical than that. So I
57:52
I if everyone's healthy and they do keep five, I think it's those three
57:55
for one spot. But what factors most important to the Bills find out?
58:00
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I if I had to bet,
58:02
I think they keep five, and I think it's Grout, Epanessa, von
58:07
Miller, Smoot and then Javon Solomon. I think Solomon's athleticism and just yeah,
58:13
that pass rush ceiling. I am very interested. He's another one going
58:16
into your first point of the rookies, Like, I want to see how
58:21
his rush style plays against NFL length, strength and size. Can he continue
58:25
to win around the corner with that dip and that bend and that lean like
58:30
he did in college. Is he getting chucked around against the run, And
58:34
even if so, that's fine. Can he be enough of a hunter and
58:37
a pass rush specialist that he can work on those third downs? And it's
58:40
just he his I did an episode on him last week, just breaking down
58:45
a bunch of his tape, and he his him legitimately showing like pass rush
58:50
plan and setups and moves and doing things and the doing the things that we
58:52
talk about all the time, right like doing things in the first quarter that
58:55
he can set up for something later in the fourth and then not only doing
58:59
that, but having that athleticism and Ben It's something the Bills haven't readily gone
59:05
to with their edge grouping, especially dud As they drafted. He was very
59:08
much an outlier, especially from a heightened weight standpoint, decent armlengk or decent
59:13
arm link versus compared to what they normally do. But good arm length for
59:15
his size. But yeah, there their averages are like six' five,
59:21
two hundred and seventy two pounds at edge and he's almost six' one and
59:24
he's two hundred and forty six pounds. Like I didn't even I watched his
59:29
tape pre draft. I didn't grand him for the Bills. I didn'tink he
59:30
was a scheme faxed exactly same thing, like I graded him for myself and
59:35
my rankings in general, but he wasn't anywhere on my Bills radar at all.
59:38
And being kind of said as much, he's like we thought some some
59:42
odd front team would draft him. He's like, yeah, he's kind of
59:44
getting to the player. He's like, well, let's do it. Yeah,
59:45
screw it. And I think that's based on that need of who's gonna
59:49
provide that pass rush pop off the edge, like he's from a college standpoint,
59:53
a known quantity and polished in that regard, and then the stats and
59:57
the metrics all speak to it. Yeah. And then with his athleticism and
1:00:00
length and what he can do speaks to him being able to play special teams
1:00:05
on return and both on coverage and seeing what he can do. I like
1:00:07
that. I like that. All right, you're number three. What do
1:00:10
you got my number three? And I want to set this up like this.
1:00:16
We always get so excited about the new players, right the rookies,
1:00:20
the free agent signings, the players that they trade for we want to see
1:00:23
what they look like. I think the two players that feel like new additions
1:00:30
that really aren't that can make the biggest impact are two guys on defense.
1:00:34
It's Matt Milano and it's Von Miller, right nice sort of like both of
1:00:37
them returning from injury. Matt milanod definitely returning from the injury suffering against Jacksonville
1:00:44
tibio plateau fracture, not a nothing injury, but also not a ligament.
1:00:49
And you know, I think he's gonna come back. I want to see
1:00:52
what he's going to look like. But Matt Molonald's one of the elite linebackers
1:00:54
in the NFL. And I think that's not just me being a Bills and
1:01:00
like that's what people think of him. As we saw the Jeremy Fowler article.
1:01:04
He's the number four linebacker in the NFL and a season where he played
1:01:07
four and a half games. I mean, Matt Molanald's a dude, yes,
1:01:09
And what really excites me is not just Matt Milano in his return,
1:01:14
but it's him with Terrell Bernard and this whole idea that they wanted to transition
1:01:19
away from the Tremaine Edmunds, Mike linebacker two hundred and fifty pounds. They
1:01:22
wanted two matchup guys. That's what this is, what the vision is for
1:01:27
the defense. And we only got to see it for four and a half
1:01:29
games. Damn it. It looked good in four and a half games.
1:01:30
Yeah, it's and it's really it's Terrell Bernard's first four starts coming off of
1:01:36
missing preseason with a hamstring injury. So like, we don't even really know
1:01:40
what the ceiling is, but I got a feel and it's pretty fricking high.
1:01:44
So get excited about whatever you want. But like Matt Molonald coming back
1:01:47
should be at the top of your list of things that get you excited about
1:01:52
something that's new to this football team. Then on top of that, it
1:01:55
is Von Miller. And I've really kind of become out spoken about this,
1:02:00
but my biggest gripe with the Bills, or my biggest concern is do they
1:02:05
have a guy on that defensive line that can take over and clutch situations and
1:02:09
close out football games. And for the eleven games prior to Von Miller being
1:02:15
you know, injured, he was that he was that guy for this Bills
1:02:20
team, the guy who could just go get you a bucket, win,
1:02:22
a one on one, close the game out right. It's like you can't.
1:02:23
You can't, Like he's gonna You're gonna alter protection schemes. Right,
1:02:28
everybody wants a number one receiver. Dude, I want a number one pass
1:02:30
rusher man, I want a Lie, I want to Garrett, I want
1:02:32
to Parson, Like, I want that so bad. And I don't think
1:02:36
Von Miller's Like he's thirty five, right, So you on one hand,
1:02:39
you're like excited because he's two years removed from the ACL and everybody says it's
1:02:44
a two year deal and so he's there. But then you're like, oh
1:02:45
crap, he's thirty five years old. Yeah, so I don't dude,
1:02:49
I don't know what to expect, man, But if he can be like
1:02:52
something close to what he was for the Bills, how big would that be
1:02:55
for this defense? And if you take that plus whatever we anticipate from Rousseau
1:03:00
and what Epine's it can be and smooth, is this like supercharge Shack Lawson
1:03:06
and this appealing young player probably Solomon, Like maybe this edge rushier group will
1:03:10
be better than I anticipate. But it's Matt Molana, it's Von Miller.
1:03:15
It's their returns and what they can mean for the football team, because to
1:03:21
me, those are blue chippers, the potential to be blue chippers, and
1:03:23
huge difference makers if they can be themselves. This was my I had several
1:03:29
like honorable mentions. This was my like my number four. This was my
1:03:31
first honorable mention. The return of Matt Milano and the return of maybe pre
1:03:37
injury version of himself, Von Miller. Yeah, and I'll start with Von
1:03:42
just because again it ties into like my most recent point. I worry about
1:03:46
the I don't worry about the depth at EDGE. I worry about the top
1:03:50
tier production from a past er standpoint, because Groo is groot is a plus
1:03:55
against the run. He is one of the best run defenders in the league,
1:03:59
let alone edge legitimately one of the best. But as a pass rusher,
1:04:01
and granted he's been banged up and he gets banged up on his wheels,
1:04:03
his ankle, his foot and all that kind of stuff, I feel
1:04:06
like as a pass rusher he's at best maybe like a B plus, but
1:04:10
I feel like he's more of a B and kind of like a B plus,
1:04:13
which again is fine if he's the two and you're running with a true
1:04:17
one at edge from a pass rush standpoint, And so I wonder, yeah,
1:04:21
where does that top tier production come from. Where do they have to
1:04:26
win by getting creative with two man games or five and six man pressures?
1:04:29
Do you have to really lean into simulated and creepers because you can't just let
1:04:33
your front four go hunt because you don't have somebody that can consistently win on
1:04:39
that outside. And what was so nice about Vaughn is not only could he
1:04:43
get you a bucket, but he could get you that bucket against top tier
1:04:45
dudes. It didn't matter if he was facing like a really crappy right tack
1:04:49
or he was facing like one of the best in the league. He had
1:04:51
the ability to win. That's also part of what has me excited with that
1:04:56
Panessa. And I know the sample size is small, but going back and
1:04:59
watching that Philly game and watching him beat Jordan mylotta over and over in the
1:05:03
way he won, I was like, oh, like, did you finally
1:05:06
figure it out? But then you just got banged up and we didn't get
1:05:09
to like see it. And yeah, just having that top tier production at
1:05:12
edge and the mat Allano point from you is tremendous and it ties into my
1:05:15
third point a little bit as well. I think the strength of as long
1:05:18
as Milana is good, which he looks to be, I think the strength
1:05:23
of this defense I really really really really really really really like the pairing of
1:05:27
Christian Benford and Rasul Douglas. But I think the strength of this defense is
1:05:30
on that second level with Matt Milano, Terrell Bernard and Taron Johnson. Milano
1:05:34
and Taron Johnson are already all Pro players at their position. I think Terrell
1:05:40
Bernard if he puts, if he makes another jump in his game or stays
1:05:43
on the trajectory that he was last year, you could see him getting some
1:05:46
all Pro consideration. That second level is going to be so important to this
1:05:50
defense. And a healthy Matt Mlano man just really opens up what they're able
1:05:56
to do with with their pressure packages, with their coverages, time everything together.
1:06:00
And he was already starting to communicate and kind of set the defense in
1:06:06
a lot of ways. He goes down, Bernard steps up and fills that
1:06:10
role. Now you've got both of them working in tandem. Taron Johnson's a
1:06:14
tremendous communicator, like that second level being able to be the bridge and marry
1:06:17
the front with the back is such a tremendous and interesting aspect. And yeah,
1:06:23
I'm right there with you, like seeing how he comes back. I'm
1:06:26
I hope I'm not taking this for granted, and kind of like you said,
1:06:29
like, I'm assuming Matt Milono comes back and is like good to go
1:06:31
and can be Like I'm more concerned, like what do we get from Vaughn
1:06:35
even though he's two years removed. I'm comfortable and I hope I'm not chinxing
1:06:40
this. I don't even want to say it, Like my assumption is just
1:06:42
Matt Milano comes back and is what he was in the first four games except
1:06:46
for the entirety of the year, Right that's your thought? No, yeah,
1:06:50
no, I certainly hope that. I don't want to diminish the injury
1:06:57
and what it takes to come back by by any means. But I'm not
1:07:00
gonna lie. I watched the NFL or at least twenty four minutes of Matt
1:07:03
mlonal highlights, and I watched that the other night and I had a good
1:07:06
time. I had a really good time watching that being reminded of the absolute
1:07:11
dog that he is. But I mean it's the pair, right, it's
1:07:15
those guys together and what this defense wants to be. And you know,
1:07:17
thinking about Thomas Davis and Luke keig Lee in Carolina, and I'm not gonna
1:07:21
say that this is the second coming of that, but they got really aggressive
1:07:25
with those players, very instinctive, quick guys, can shoot gaps, can
1:07:30
can play sideline, the sideline. I think there's so much that they can
1:07:32
do with those players. And like what Threel Bernard did under those circumstances of
1:07:38
really missing like platooning, let's be honest, platooned throughout almost the entire offseason.
1:07:43
Then he's gone because he has a hamstring injury, misses the preseason,
1:07:46
and he comes back, plays in a high level, then loses his running
1:07:49
mate and then loses his nose tackle, you know what I mean. Like
1:07:53
those are critical pieces. Those are important to him right to him being able
1:07:58
to do his thing. And he's still made the plays that he did and
1:08:00
made the impact that he did despite all of that. Let's see the full
1:08:03
vision here. And I think I think that the Bills they might not have
1:08:09
like elite game wrecker takeover games defensive linemen. Yeah, but I think they're
1:08:15
really deep, and I think that their interior depth is better with Austin Johnson
1:08:19
and Deshaun Williams and Dwayne Carter than it was in Tim Settle and Jordan Phillips.
1:08:24
That helps those guys as well on the second level. Very well said,
1:08:28
and I agree to that point. I even this is just a me
1:08:30
thing. He doesn't offer anything from pastor standpoint, but is really good against
1:08:35
the run, Like he knows how to take on a double team and just
1:08:38
be a problem inside, like even knowing that he's like further down, But
1:08:41
I'm like, I could be comfortable if he has to do spot duty for
1:08:44
a game or two like he did against the Ravens a couple of years ago.
1:08:46
But yeah, I echo those sentiments on the defensive line, like I
1:08:48
worry about top tier game record dudes, but I'm comfortable just rolling out like
1:08:55
hockey style. They may not have like a number one line, but they've
1:08:58
got like three two, and then their checking line is really like a third
1:09:01
line, like, and I'm comfortable rolling out that depth and just kind of
1:09:04
winning by attrition and being able to have good depth and fresh dudes in the
1:09:09
third and fourth quarter and just hunt potentially against offensive lineman. I like that.
1:09:13
That's well said. My third point ties into Matt Malone a little bit,
1:09:15
also ties into some rookie conversation. Actually, you know what I talk
1:09:19
you and I talked about this briefly on an episode of Locked On earlier this
1:09:25
offseason. I want to keep an eye on for the defensive coverage structures and
1:09:30
the domino effect that comes from those coverage structures. And it starts with who
1:09:35
the starting safeties are. Is it Edwards and Rap? Is it Edwards and
1:09:41
Bishop? Is it Bishop and Rap? Whatever the hell? And then what
1:09:44
that leads to. I think Taylor Rap and Mike Edwards are more similar than
1:09:47
they are different. And while neither our ideal is a single high post safety,
1:09:51
I think Edwards can do well enough and can be fine in that role.
1:09:55
Cole Bishop is more athletic than both and has more straight line speed and
1:10:00
burst. But for me, and I say this all the time, and
1:10:01
I don't mean this as a dig I like him less the further he gets
1:10:05
away from the line of scrimmage, not that he's bad. The further he
1:10:09
gets I like him more closer. I think he's best suited as like an
1:10:13
apex player or like a buzz robber type safety who as at his best when
1:10:17
coming downhill, being in and around the box. You're blitzing him. You're
1:10:21
having a man up on tight ends and running backs coming out of the backfield.
1:10:26
You're using his frame, athleticism and speed to just muck things up in
1:10:31
and around the hook curls and the flats and around that line of scrimmage.
1:10:34
And again doesn't mean he can't function deep. I just like him less in
1:10:39
that world as of now. And Sean McDermott has always been tremendous with getting
1:10:43
the most out of his safeties at every stop in his NFL journey Philly and
1:10:46
Carolina and then here in Buffalo. He knows how to set them up for
1:10:49
success, and within that knowing how to set them up for success, he
1:10:54
also knows their limitations and how to not set them up for failure. So,
1:10:58
based on all that, whatever that's starting safety tandem is, I think
1:11:01
impacts the ratio we see of too high versus single high coverages and also impacts
1:11:06
how effective they are in both of those coverage structures. So, for example,
1:11:10
say it's wrap and it's edwards, the initial question I have is,
1:11:14
okay, do they play less single high and if when they do do,
1:11:17
they keep Edwards in the post more than Rap. And then within that comes
1:11:24
certain vulnerabilities you open yourself up to in terms of coverage, tells mismatches that
1:11:28
can be created in other ways, things that the offense can do to dictate
1:11:31
to your defense. And then not just from a coverage standpoint, but as
1:11:35
you know, the coverages you play on the back end impact how you fit
1:11:40
the run and what is then asked of your front seven. So if you're
1:11:42
playing more too high because you're starting safeties are Mike Edwards and Taylor Rap,
1:11:47
how is that impact in things going forward? And what helps the Bills here
1:11:50
is they have a tremendous second level of Matt Mlano to Ral Bernard and Taron
1:11:55
Johnson. But the more you live in those two high structures, the more
1:11:58
it is asked of them, and the more asked of the defensive line to
1:12:00
win up front, while your safeties come from depth to fit the run.
1:12:04
Also another helping point here if that is the case, is this puts more
1:12:10
onto your cornerbacks in the run game to act as forced players and film players
1:12:13
and fold guys. And that works because we Stuell Douglas and Christian Benford are
1:12:16
very strong against the run as well, so it's not like, oh God,
1:12:19
the defense can really be on fire based on who starts. I'm just
1:12:24
more interested in seeing the schematic impact of who starts and what it leads to.
1:12:30
Even with Bishop, who is more athletic and fast, it has more
1:12:32
versatility. I feel like there's a lot of sameness or like for like in
1:12:36
the safety room, but with different sliders turned up in different ways, and
1:12:41
I'm really interested to see how that impacts a defense that for forever. I
1:12:45
mean, the name of my friggin show is disguise Coverage because a hide employer
1:12:49
and just what they could do and the interchangeability on the back end. They
1:12:53
were at the forefront of removing the strong and free from safeties and it was
1:12:59
just Nope, here's a safety and here's the safety here. Granted, they
1:13:01
each had their skill sets that leaned a little bit more, you know,
1:13:04
High being more of a traditional free and Poyer having some more skill set pieces
1:13:09
that lean into a strong, But they had so much interchangeability and they were
1:13:12
at the forefront of that movement, and now I think they don't have as
1:13:15
much interchangeability or fluidity because a lot of their skill sets, especially for Edwards
1:13:20
and rap, lean more towards Poyer esque than they do Hide esk And then
1:13:26
how does that impact what they do from a coverage structure standpoint, But then
1:13:29
also in fitting the run in a day and age where it seems like a
1:13:31
lot of NFL teams are starting to bring the run back and the run is
1:13:35
coming more in vogue. And then how does that force your hand if you
1:13:39
don't want to walk a safety down? And then if you do, and
1:13:42
who's where and who's doing what and that whole schematic conversation. I think we
1:13:45
see that excuse me pretty similarly. What's interesting about the disguise elements is you
1:13:51
kind of saw them tap into Tarren Johnson a little bit. Yes, great,
1:13:56
like they would spin him out and be playing deep middle or deep do
1:14:00
they would do some things where they're running like Tampa two invert or like Tampa
1:14:03
two robber, however you want to like classify it, and they'd be in
1:14:06
a two high lak pre snap and then Hide would drop down as that pole
1:14:10
runner robber, the safety switch over and Terren's dropping from the slot as a
1:14:14
split field safety. I loved that. Sorry, I don't want to interrupt
1:14:16
out. I love that aspect, So I wonder if we see even more
1:14:20
of that. But I've talked myself in circles speculating on the safeties because I
1:14:26
see it like you in that there's not necessarily a high type player. I
1:14:31
guess to me it's Mike Edwards is the guy that's most versatile in terms of
1:14:36
defending deep zones or if you wanted to have a one high. And I
1:14:39
think that there's the most value that Rapp and Bishop give you is as excuse
1:14:45
me, as lower safeties closer the line of scrimmage. You'd like to think
1:14:49
that Bishop, you know so much untapped potential in at Utah, I thought
1:14:54
that was where he was at his best. But we didn't necessarily see him
1:14:57
a ton in those instances playing as that one high middle of the field guy.
1:15:00
So how equipped is he to do it? And I sort of feel
1:15:05
like Taylor Rapp is gonna be one of the starters. You like Hurd Sean
1:15:08
McDermott say as much that he's kind of taking control of the room. And
1:15:11
then to read the tea leaves, he came on a one year proven deal
1:15:14
that turned into a three year extension. Like, he's probably one of your
1:15:16
starters, but is it him and Bishop? Is that the right mix of
1:15:20
skill sets? Mike Edwards hasn't really practiced at this point. This is gonna
1:15:24
first opportunity to really see him at training camp. Sorting out the safeties is
1:15:28
absolutely fascinating and I don't I don't know what it's gonna be, but I
1:15:30
think there's a lot riding on it. Yes, very well said, Yeah,
1:15:33
I don't know what it's gonna be either, like it if I really
1:15:38
had to put my money on it, I feel granted, we haven't seen
1:15:41
Edwards to your point, Like I feel like it's Rap and Edwards, but
1:15:45
I could see a world where Bishop just looks so fluid and athletic and does
1:15:48
his thing. And but it is weird that no one really talked about him
1:15:51
a whole bunch up to this point, and like, what's the reasoning for
1:15:56
that. He's one that I definitely have my eye on, Like, as
1:15:58
soon as they come out team, I want to see who those safeties are
1:16:01
and I'm gonna be watching cold Bishop an individual and just kind of seeing what
1:16:05
he looks like and how he's doing and how they're bringing him along or how
1:16:09
he's kind of bringing himself along, because exactly your point, Like, I
1:16:12
see it as such a I know this is a talking point for a lot
1:16:15
of fans in general kind of being like, oh, I wonder who the
1:16:17
starting safeties are, But I think to what you spoke to and what I
1:16:20
spoke to, I don't think people really realize the domino effect of who those
1:16:27
safety, who those starting safeties are, How it doesn't just affect the pass,
1:16:30
that affects what you're doing against the run. It affects so much schematically
1:16:35
because how you fit the run determines what coverages you're able to play on the
1:16:40
back end, and then also determines like what you're able to do in terms
1:16:43
of who you spin, when you spin them, how you disguise all those
1:16:45
pieces, tendencies, scheme and trends, all that baked into it as well.
1:16:50
It's such a large talking point. It's such a large domino effect tied
1:16:56
into who two starters are. Yeah, I find it really like intriting.
1:17:01
But is there more to it? Did we make it smaller than it really
1:17:04
is? Damar Hamlin's the guy that has the most reps in the defense that
1:17:10
it was the hot name in mini camp. I will see, Yeah,
1:17:13
I mean there was, I go back to it was it? What was
1:17:15
the year he went? It was twenty twenty two, yes, two years
1:17:21
ago, right, Yes, he was started, like all those games,
1:17:25
and we thought the Bills are going to win the Super Bowl? Right,
1:17:27
Like, were you thinking that because Deamar Hamlin was going to be the starting
1:17:30
safety, that that was going to be the problem for them winning Super Bowl?
1:17:32
It wasn't. Nobody was talking about that, right, And not that
1:17:35
I didn't have my issues with him, but he was a young player,
1:17:38
that was he flashed a bunch, Yeah, he did. Were around,
1:17:41
Yeah, there were people talking about him as like, oh, there's our
1:17:44
future starter, right, he's good to go. Everything's great, right,
1:17:45
And then there's also this other guy, Michael Hyde, who we've yet to
1:17:49
get clarity he's done, right, And I sort of just feel like the
1:17:53
longer that door remains open, the more likely it is. So and who's
1:17:57
the play who's the player we're missing? Micha Ah Hide? Well why not
1:18:00
just have Michael Hide? Mike? So, I mean there's a whole lot
1:18:04
to that conversation, right, But is it just those three guys are is
1:18:09
there more to it? Right? It's fascinating, It's super fascinating. It's
1:18:13
part of I tweeted out last week, like every day Justin Simmons and Quandary
1:18:17
Digs both being available like comes into my head like every single day because I'm
1:18:20
just like, oh yeah, I feel like, no, dude, I'm
1:18:24
with you on that. I really am, because for all the concern Like
1:18:29
in a way, you talked about something that's interesting, but there's concerns baked
1:18:32
into that, and it's like, well, you could sit here and hope
1:18:35
that it's Mike Edwards or hope that it's a cool bishop, but I could
1:18:38
tell you that it would be Justin Simmons or Quandary Diggs. And you know
1:18:41
that this has been an important piece of what this defense has been, this
1:18:44
safety position, like just go get one of those two guys and be done
1:18:47
with it and enjoy the depth and figure it out from there. And I
1:18:51
was recently thinking about times when the Bills didn't have Jordan Poyter and Michael Hyde
1:18:56
and I don't and there's not a lot of that right because missing them both.
1:19:00
At the same time, I thought of two instances one of them is
1:19:01
the Minnesota game. Remember that, I mean, one of the most ridiculous
1:19:04
football games you've ever seen in your tire less still hate. It would have
1:19:08
been nice to have one of those two guys in the Knicks. How about
1:19:10
the other one the early season lost to Miami the Heat game. The Bills
1:19:14
beat him by three hundred more yards. It was the most lopsided football game
1:19:16
I've ever seen everywhere about what the final score was? Well, that third
1:19:19
and whatever it was, did Jalen Watta play over the middle of the field
1:19:23
where it's Jamar, it's Jakwan Johnson, And who was the other guy?
1:19:28
Was it Hamlin or Camp? It was one of Hamlin and Jawan yea and
1:19:31
they get beat on like third and seventeen or whatever, like right right,
1:19:35
like these those are those are the only two instances that I can think of
1:19:40
that they both were not there and they were not great. Yeah, it's
1:19:45
and that's what like I and I'm I'm always playing all these games in my
1:19:47
head, Like I look at Mike Edwards's contract and I'm like they could cut
1:19:50
him right now and be fine. And even Taylor Rap, Like Taylor Rap
1:19:54
has a nice easy out next offseason, but they could cut him right now
1:19:58
and it's still not like a crazy notion, although I really don't see that
1:20:00
happening in any way. Yeah, and every day i'm I thought Justin Simmons
1:20:04
was going to be too expensive, and I thought he was gonna sign a
1:20:08
one year like thirteen million dollar or something like that, and I already knew
1:20:11
about him, but I watched the tape anyway. But then I watched Quandre
1:20:14
Diggs and I saw his age being a couple of years younger, and I
1:20:16
watched him play last year at Seattle, and I anticipated his cost. I
1:20:19
wanted that to be the move like and what he can do coming forward.
1:20:24
I think he's just such a good mix of range and violence and what he
1:20:28
would have added to the defense with his mentality, his skill set and then
1:20:30
still having enough range to cover in the post and just go sideline to sideline
1:20:35
or close down against tight ends. Or he has a really couple of really
1:20:39
great reps against Tennessee where he's closing down on hop and there tight end on
1:20:43
like deep overs and drags. He sees it, he clicks, he closes
1:20:45
forces and completions almost has an interception like a deep sit versus hop out of
1:20:50
the slot that he's covering from a single high alignment. Yeah, and I
1:20:55
don't mean that to be disrespectful to who they have on the roster, but
1:20:57
every day I'm like, just sign Justin Simmons or Quandary and then I don't
1:21:00
have to worry about anything and we're done well. And if there is a
1:21:02
position that Sean McDermott has absolutely earned the benefit of the doubt, it is
1:21:06
the safety position because of whether it's Quinton Michael out of nowhere, or Mike
1:21:11
Mitchell out of nowhere, or Kurk Coleman out of nowhere, or Jordan Poyer
1:21:15
out of nowhere, or Michah Hyde is a guy that Green Bay didn't even
1:21:16
offer an extension to, Like the resume is off the charts man, right,
1:21:20
Like it's just everywhere he's been safeties have just kind of worked out,
1:21:25
and so I give him huge benefit of the doubt. But it's it's like
1:21:30
the one spot, like I just I'm a little unsettled because I don't exactly
1:21:34
know how it's going to come together same and I guess, you know,
1:21:38
it's fair to kind of bring it back full circle, like the last time
1:21:41
I was this unsettled is when it was going to be hiding Poyer, and
1:21:45
I was like, damn, they're taking this like this, this nickel corner
1:21:47
punt returner and making him a safety. And then they're taking this other dude
1:21:49
who didn't really ball out for Cleveland has been super hurt and he's going to
1:21:54
be the starter. And yeah, look what the great pull by those names
1:21:57
too. I have Quintin Michael like written down, like I just always remember,
1:22:00
like, man, those Philly safeties were great and it was like,
1:22:02
man, Brian Dawkins and who else, And it's like Quinton Michael, Yeah,
1:22:05
he didn't did he didn't even start his first three years in the league,
1:22:09
didn't even play year Fouri's first year of Sean mcdermot's DC's guys like an
1:22:13
all pro. Yeah, And then I lived in Carolina through McDermott, so
1:22:15
I knew all about Mike Mitchell and Roman Harper and Kirk Coleman and Trade Boston
1:22:20
and Trey Boston was the one I was thinking about with the thirty three long
1:22:24
dreads, who yeah, like just taking dudes again, no disrespect, but
1:22:27
taking dudes that were just like these yeah, and they were granted they had
1:22:31
studs on the defensive line and at linebacker and even corner with what Norman was
1:22:35
to a lot of it, and then Bradbury too, but like still like
1:22:39
they were taking dudes off the again no disrespect, like off the scrap heap
1:22:43
at safety, and he was making them highly functional in both spots. Mike
1:22:46
Mitchell got that big deal. Didn't do a thing ever again in his career.
1:22:49
No, he got that huge deal from pittsh Right, Yes, from
1:22:54
Pittsburgh. He went to Pittsburgh and everybody was like, oh man, like
1:22:57
Pittsburgh just added another dude, and it was like, nope, he's just
1:23:00
gonna get like unnecessary roughness penalties and he can't cover the cover McDermott again,
1:23:04
like he knew how to set them up for success, but how to mitigate
1:23:08
setting them up for failure. Like even Philly, like you weren't seeing quin
1:23:12
Michael like living in this coverage world. He was like, bro, I'm
1:23:15
gonna just blitz the hell out of you. I'm having you cover down.
1:23:16
Like he knows what He's always had that finger on the pulse with safety's in
1:23:20
secondary in general, so exactly your point, Like that's the one thing that
1:23:25
eases my trepidation and my nerves and has me a little more like excited to
1:23:30
see instead of just being like worried or fearful. Is that McDermott trust factor
1:23:34
at that spot. Mike Mitchell signed a five year, twenty five million dollar
1:23:39
deal in twenty fourteen. That's a lot for safety. That's in twenty fourteen.
1:23:43
That's big money. And he goes to Pittsburgh and is like super mid
1:23:47
for a bunch of seasons. The only the one thing I remember from him
1:23:51
is they were playing the Ravens in a game that mattered, and it was
1:23:58
like a third and some thing, and he got a really horribly looking past
1:24:01
interference call that gave the Ravens like a first down inside like the Steeler fifteen.
1:24:06
It was like a thirty yard prayer that Flacco threw up and Mitchell just
1:24:12
joty hard prayer like, are you sure right? Everyone has never happened.
1:24:17
I never done that. Yeah, it was it was ugly and I just
1:24:19
remember everyone booing. And he had also had a couple of like unnecessary roughness
1:24:24
of personal foul penalties throughout the year and yeah, yeah, man, just
1:24:29
McDermott knows how to make them work. And yeah, that's a really interesting
1:24:30
piece, just that domino effect like you talked about, like I talked about,
1:24:33
like it, it's so much more than just who your starters are.
1:24:38
Can they replace Hide and Poyer? What does it mean for coverage? It
1:24:41
impacts the entirety of the defense because of what your coverage structure is tied to
1:24:45
the front and how you fit the run. But yeah, nonetheless, it
1:24:47
will be exciting, and this episode was exciting, Joe. I know I've
1:24:51
kept you a very late past your bedtime. Well I'm bringing up Mike Mitchell
1:24:55
and Chris Watson and face masks and field aesthetics. It's a little bit my
1:24:59
fault, no, but this was a This was really awesome. Usually it's
1:25:02
me that kind of gets everyone off topic, and I appreciate I appreciate you
1:25:05
bringing that energy to this episode. This. You know, I'm so but
1:25:08
I'm so buttoned up on my show. I'm like, I got my notes,
1:25:11
we're gonna talk about this. I got thirty minutes. I gotta get
1:25:13
it out. It's like, all right, ap, let's let's let's uh
1:25:15
shoot the breeze a little bit here, let our hair down. That I
1:25:18
don't have Yeah, nice, and that's what I was gonna say. I
1:25:21
was gonna say, like every time I'm on your show, like we know,
1:25:26
hey, this is the time we like to go for. Here's the
1:25:28
bullet points. I know to try and keep myself like tight and suc sync
1:25:31
with what I'm saying because you're gonna speak. I want to keep everything on
1:25:33
time. And that's why I appreciate you coming here more and just riff it
1:25:36
a little bit. We had a nice organic Jersey aesthetic and field aesthetic conversation
1:25:41
which we will pick up next year at this time that I'm very excited for
1:25:44
a little before this time. And then yeah, just uh, I mean
1:25:47
your your content and everything you do as you know, like his top tier.
1:25:50
And we got a ton of comments in the live chat. We're just
1:25:54
so pumped to see you here and giving you a bunch of kudos and talking
1:25:58
about what a nice collaboration it is every time you and I get together,
1:26:00
and how people a couple of people saying they want to see more of it,
1:26:03
and that's because you're known for your quality work, but it always comes
1:26:08
within that structure in that time. So it was awesome to see a freestyle
1:26:11
a little bit tonight. I liked it a lot. It was very good.
1:26:14
I enjoyed it brother, Excited to I'm sure we'll do this again soon,
1:26:17
and excited for camp. I'm happy they know that you're going to be
1:26:21
there the next couple of days. I'll be glued to your timeline and listen
1:26:24
to everything that you have to say. I'm excited to get there myself next
1:26:27
week. I'll be at five practices next week, so it's excited to see
1:26:31
what's going on down there. My guys. So looking forward to your work.
1:26:35
Thank you very much. Yeah, I'll be there tomorrow Thursday. I'm
1:26:39
also looking to go Sunday, so that'll be happening as well. We have
1:26:44
it'll be a fun time and depending on when you go, maybe we'll link
1:26:46
up and see what happens. But just in case people don't know who you
1:26:49
are or where they can find you and what you do, although I'm sure
1:26:51
everybody already knows, tell them who you are, socials episode stuff where they
1:26:57
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Excited to navigate this season and you know, continue to serve this fan base
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Bill's Mafia. You guys are awesome, and you guys demand a lot,
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and I'm excited to be part of the group that gets to deliver. Yeah,
1:27:50
they do demand a lot, and you deliver every single day doing your
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Keep crushing it. I'll see on the Twitter verse. I'm gonna DM
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you after this. I know you'll be asleep already probably, but I'm gonna
1:28:03
singing your praises and thanking you again and everything. But again, thank you
1:28:06
for taking the time for joining me this conversation was awesome. I enjoyed every
1:28:11
aspect of it. For those still here, I'm gonna keep rolling. I
1:28:13
started a bunch of comments and thoughts from some people earlier in the episode that
1:28:15
I'm gonna get to now as we wind down a little bit. But Joe,
1:28:19
godspeed, enjoy the rest of your Tuesday night. I appreciate all the
1:28:23
kind words for myself and the community and the brand and all that. And
1:28:26
yeah, I appreciate the hell out of you, and I'll see you around.
1:28:29
Thanks, see you later. Tremendous episode with mister Joe Marino. Brought
1:28:34
the energy, brought a lot of good stuff. Oh. I like this
1:28:38
from Laura saying, Joe Marino is the truth. Absolutely. Oh, I
1:28:42
didn't see the backbard. You already know we love some I appreciate you that,
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Thank you very much. Yeah, Joe, Joe was awesome. Legitimately
1:28:46
one of the best in the business. I'm always excited anytime I had the
1:28:49
opportunity to do a show with Joe, and we've done a bunch now.
1:28:53
I've been on Locked On several times, he's been on this show several times.
1:28:57
We've collaborated a lot, and I enjoyed these episodes a lot. Whether
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I'm on his show or he comes here, it's always a great time.
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Like I said, as we close this show a little bit, I'm gonna
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read questions, thoughts, comments, concerns that I start. If you have
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back into the comments some of the things that I had started. Oh it
1:30:47
was funny from Mike earlier in the episode. Do you think wrapping Edwards will
1:30:51
start over Bishop until he learns the ropes? Right now? If I had
1:30:55
to put money on it, yeah, I think the starters will be Taylor
1:30:58
Rapp and Mike Edwards, which, again, like Joe and I talked about,
1:31:01
comes with its own set of I don't want to say concerns, but
1:31:06
concerns and possibilities. At the very least, I do think it'll be Edwards
1:31:11
and Rap, even though again Edwards' contract is very cut friendly, and even
1:31:15
raps contract is cut friendly as well, like I mentioned, even though he's
1:31:17
on a three year deal. But I do think it'll be wrapping Edwards to
1:31:21
start the year, and I'm interested to see what that means for Cole Bishop.
1:31:24
How does he get worked in. Another thing that I've mentioned a little
1:31:27
bit this offseason, a position I love is slock corner. In today's NFL.
1:31:32
I think it's a premium position. I think Taron Johnson is one of
1:31:34
the best at it. Obviously, he was an All Pro last year.
1:31:36
He's right up there with Kenny Moore, Mike Hilton, and Trent McDuffie as
1:31:40
the best slock corners in football, the best apex players positionally, with what
1:31:45
he does against the run in the past, I want if Taylor, if
1:31:49
Cole Bishop doesn't start and it's Edwards and Rap. I also like the idea
1:31:53
of Cole Bishop being the backup nickel to Taron Johnson because of his ability to
1:31:58
function in and around the box and the hook curls and the flats, but
1:32:00
his ability to also fit the run and just what he can do. I
1:32:03
like him as a backup nickel to Taron Johnson, which is something I haven't
1:32:08
felt confident in the backup to Taron Johnson for years. Cam Lewis is fine
1:32:13
in terms of his versatility, and he gives you against some ability to play
1:32:15
safety while also playing apex, but I've never felt holistically comfortable with who's behind
1:32:19
Taron Johnson. And again, it's hard to feel that comfortable about somebody backing
1:32:24
up an all pro or backup guys in general. But I like the idea
1:32:28
of Cole Bishop also being like a Teraron Johnson supporter or buttress in addition to
1:32:33
being that safety squad question here for Rick saying if Edwards plays guard, who
1:32:39
takes the heavy tight end role? Really good question. David Edwards was tremendous
1:32:42
as that sixth offensive lineman in those sets last year. I wonder who it
1:32:46
is. If I had to put money on it right now, I think
1:32:48
it would either Ryan Vandermark or it would be Lyele Collins. But that's an
1:32:53
aspect that is a sneaky thing to watch for because they went to that six
1:32:58
offensive lineman those sets pretty regularly and they had tremendous success with them. So
1:33:03
that's a very good question. I like both of those, well done,
1:33:05
well done. What else do we got? Steven saying what position is the
1:33:15
least deep as we start camp ooh oh, sneaky answer for me, I'm
1:33:25
gonna say corner outside corner in particular. I love Douglas and I love Benford.
1:33:31
I want to love Kyrie Elam, and I know he's had moments of
1:33:35
really great play and really good productivity. I still just think he's such an
1:33:39
unknown quantity at this point with his footwork, with his hands, how grabby
1:33:43
he is, and how panicky he gets at the top of routes. Eric
1:33:45
and I had him on in the film room. Dude is tremendously smart.
1:33:48
He's got great athleticism, size frame, all that. He ticks so many
1:33:53
boxes he can. He just hasn't been able to put it all together with
1:33:56
regularity. But again, it has made some tremendously clutch plays and awesome plays
1:34:00
early in his career, even though that's also gone along with some struggles.
1:34:02
I'm gonna say corner just because I don't have faith in Kayer as a starter
1:34:06
right now. And then JaMarcus Ingram is the outside c before and I don't
1:34:11
have a ton of faith in that as well. I also think some of
1:34:13
the offensive line as a whole could be talked about, Like last year,
1:34:16
at this time we had the starting five and that it was Ryan Bates and
1:34:20
David Edwards as your sixth and your seven. Actually, at this point last
1:34:24
year, we didn't even know if Torrance was going to start, so it
1:34:26
might have been Torrents and Edwards. Like there was good depth along the offensive
1:34:29
line from a high functionality standpoint, I don't think you necessarily have that this
1:34:33
year, where you have confidence in your sixth and seventh offensive lineman fair oh
1:34:39
Raph said at CBS, pretty shell for me all and Stephen followed up,
1:34:42
it's funny watching these comments and then saying I didn't see these before I get
1:34:45
my answer, so I didn't cheat anything, Steven saying I would agree,
1:34:48
but hoping Elan can get some confidence. Yeah, confidence has a huge piece
1:34:51
for corners. I'm hoping the change in coaching staff. You know, maybe
1:34:55
a Die is able to tap into something that Butler wasn't able to kind of
1:35:00
get him situated right, because again, there's so much to tap into because
1:35:02
of how he sees the game, how he understands it, and then the
1:35:06
size and frame and length and athleticism and all that kind of stuff. I
1:35:10
would love for him to be a solar answer also to just from a longevity
1:35:13
standpoint, He's going into year three. Rasseul Douglas is on the books next
1:35:18
year with Voidiers, but he's not signed to the Bills next year, So
1:35:24
I would love at some point. I don't want Benford or Douglas to go
1:35:28
down at any point this year, but corners get banged up all the time.
1:35:30
NFL players get banged up in general, but corners get banged up all
1:35:32
the time. There's a realistic, a very realistic chance that kyri Ealam sees
1:35:36
some meaningful reps this year. I would love to go into next season knowing
1:35:40
that kyri Ealam is capable of being a starter for this team. But we'll
1:35:44
see what happens. They're comment here. I'm excited to see what Knox returning
1:35:49
to form can bring to the offensive risk injury for an inline tight end is
1:35:53
no joke. Absolutely, you're trying to block and fit up, not e're
1:35:56
just catching the ball. But that risk is getting a lot of action as
1:35:58
you're trying to block edges and linebackers and apexes and safeties and all that kind
1:36:01
of stuff. So it's not great. Oh this is really cool, Charles
1:36:08
says, without google, name the QBS the Bills faced last season. Oh,
1:36:13
if I had the schedule in front of me, I could do it
1:36:15
easy. But okay, Aaron Rodgers and Zach Wilson in week one. Week
1:36:20
two was the Commanders, so that's no. Week two was Vegas, so
1:36:24
that was Jimmy g Week three was the Commander so that's Sam Howell. Week
1:36:29
four was the Dolphins, so that was to I. I don't remember.
1:36:36
Week five was Jacksonville, so the Trevor Lawrence. I'm gonna cheat and bring
1:36:44
up the Bills schedule from twenty twenty three. I'm not gonna look up who
1:36:51
they played or who the starters were, obviously, okay, so yeah,
1:36:57
New York, Vegas, Washington, Miami, Jacksonville, New York was week
1:37:00
six, So New York was week six. That was Tyrod Taylor. Week
1:37:02
seven was the Pats. That was Mac Jones. Eight was Tampa, so
1:37:06
that's Baker Mayfield. Nine was Sincy, that's Borough. Denver was week ten
1:37:11
Russell Wilson. Eleven was New York. That was Zach Wilson again. Twelve
1:37:15
was Philly, so that was Herts. Kansas City Mahomes, Dallas, Prescott,
1:37:23
the Chargers, Oh, the char Easton Stick, Eastern Stick. I
1:37:30
think Eastern Stick. I think it's his first name. I know it was
1:37:32
Stick. I think Eastern Stick in week sixteen against the Chargers. Week seventeen
1:37:39
was the Patriots. That was Bailey Zappi if I remember correctly. Week eighteen
1:37:48
was Miami, so that was Tua. Playoffs was Pittsburgh. That was Candy
1:37:54
No Mason Rudolph, and then the division round was Kansas City. So Patrick
1:38:00
Mahomes, this is a really good question. I like this. I like
1:38:01
this. I know I used I went to their schedule last year, so
1:38:05
I look at team by team. I knew I can answer it easily that
1:38:08
way. I just can't remember the order of everyone. I like that.
1:38:11
I like that Joe saying, ant, what do you think the Bills would
1:38:15
do if they are early. Oh, Charles says, I was spot on,
1:38:17
thank you very much, And I might be wrong. I think Easton
1:38:20
Stick's first name is Easton. I could be wrong. I know the last
1:38:23
name is Stick, and he was number two. I'm pretty sure his first
1:38:28
name is Easton. Joe says, ant, what do you think the Bills
1:38:31
would do if there are early and obvious signs that Elam isn't developing any further,
1:38:36
Maybe they try to grab a veteran corner. I think a Kello Witherspoon
1:38:40
is still a free agent unrestricted. He was somebody who I mentioned like a
1:38:45
month or so ago, and I still think he's in a restricted free agent.
1:38:46
I've been watching some more RAMS tape accidentally and on purpose over the last
1:38:51
month or so as well, and he keeps popping in different ways. I
1:38:54
would love to see them take a shot at someone like a Kello Witherspoon from
1:38:58
the Rams previously with Pittsburgh the year before that. I would love for them
1:39:01
to take a shot. But if there's signs that Elim isn't developing any further,
1:39:06
it comes down into two points, right, If he's not developing,
1:39:10
but he's fine being a CV three, and maybe a spot starter, then
1:39:15
you're probably just letting it rock. Maybe you try to address it and bring
1:39:17
in somebody else to be CB three, just to kind of give yourself some
1:39:20
reinforcement for a playoff run or to finish the season out. If he's not
1:39:25
developing any further and they don't feel confident in him playing and Benford or Douglas
1:39:30
goes down, then I think you look towards the free agency route, similar
1:39:32
to kind of what they did what two years ago when they brought in like
1:39:35
Xavier Roads and he saw some meaningful reps for them. So I think you
1:39:39
address it like if, and again it depends on if there's early and obvious
1:39:42
signs that he's not developing any further. If that means he's still at the
1:39:45
level he's been at the past couple of years, I don't think for me,
1:39:48
I'm not comfortable starting him. I'm comfortable if it's like, oh,
1:39:51
somebody got banged up in the second quarter and he has to finish that game,
1:39:55
or if he has to spot start for one or two games, maybe,
1:39:59
but if he's got to be a regular starter, I think you need
1:40:00
to go and address that position, because I'm not in that spot Andrew Paccanna,
1:40:05
what's up? Andrew Andrew says, what do we do if Von doesn't
1:40:11
return to form? Hope that the depth is able to mitigate that. If
1:40:15
Von doesn't return to form, you hope that aj Panessa takes a jump in
1:40:18
his game. Overall, you hope that group takes a jump in his game
1:40:21
as a pass rusher. You hope that Duan Smoot is pre Achilles injury Duan
1:40:27
Smoot, And then you hope that Javon Solomon can give you meaningful reps this
1:40:30
year, or some other person at Edge. But basically, if Von doesn't
1:40:35
return to form, you are hoping a lot of other guys are able to
1:40:40
mitigate that lack of return to form by taking jumps themselves or not necessarily playing
1:40:45
out of their mind, but just playing at a level that kind of mitigates
1:40:47
that impact. And it would take it could just take one person. If
1:40:51
Aj Panessa takes the jump that he needs to to truly be an Edge two,
1:40:58
then Von not returning form isn't that big of a deal. But even
1:41:01
with that, you would still need somebody to be like, is Vond good
1:41:04
enough to be Edge three even if he's not returning to form, is he
1:41:08
good enough to be edge four? So basically you would need several players to
1:41:11
kind of step up and mitigate that. But it's possible. Paul says,
1:41:16
didn't Ryan Vandermark play tight end? Um? He may have bum bum bum?
1:41:27
I think didn't he play tight end at like Yukon. I'm looking it
1:41:30
up right now. Uh no, that's not how you spell that. And
1:41:36
mark Ryan Vandermark tackle at Yukon. Let's see his naps by position bump bump
1:41:47
bum o line only in twenty twenty one O line only in maybe a couple
1:41:58
of random tight end reps based on what I'm seeing, Yeah, he's had
1:42:00
some tight end reps. Is basically what PFF is showing me here from reading
1:42:05
slot and inline correctly. So yeah, I think that's possibility that that happened
1:42:09
at some point. Maybe he did it in the NFL too, that's a
1:42:13
fair question. Oh, I like seeing going through all these things that seeing
1:42:16
everybody who's answering the questions. Oh, Sean says, Yeah, there is
1:42:19
a report saying that Bills faced the worst QBS ever last season. That's a
1:42:26
possibility. I mean, you look at you got Zach Wilson twice you got
1:42:30
Mac Jones, you got Bailey z Appy, you got Easton Stick. But
1:42:33
I mean also they've also fade, especially if taking the playoffs into account,
1:42:36
like they got Mahomes twice, they faced Dak, they faced Hurts, they
1:42:42
faced Trevor Lawrence. I know a lot of people like the Duncan Trevor Lawrence.
1:42:45
I think Trevor Lawrence is really good, but then they also played Tyrod.
1:42:49
Jimmy G's not great. Sam Howell's not great. I can understand that
1:42:53
conversation, either from an actual statusum metrics standpoint or just overall like discussion.
1:42:58
I could see that all people saying, yep, it is Easton Stick,
1:43:02
thank you, thank you. Oh. I like what Laura says here.
1:43:04
Yeah, Elam is who I'm watching a camp and obviously are wide receivers.
1:43:08
Man, I don't I don't know where my eyes are gonna go Tomorrow.
1:43:14
I have a list of things that I'm really trying to watch Tomorrow and Thursday.
1:43:16
Again. I think I'm going on Sunday as well. I just need
1:43:20
tickets for Sunday, so I'm probably gonna put a tweet out and hope somebody
1:43:24
has a random extra ticket or a couple of tickets and go see what's going
1:43:27
on with that. But yeah, Elam is somebody I'm gonna be watching.
1:43:30
Just corner. Corner is always a spot that gets banged up. It's a
1:43:35
premium position, so it's already important, but it's always a spot where dudes
1:43:39
get banged up and nicked up. And even going down to see before,
1:43:43
like I like JaMarcus Ingram. I like him more in the slot than I
1:43:46
do out wide, and he's the c before and then Elam's the three.
1:43:51
It's just I don't feel great, oh, Paul says, literally, as
1:43:57
I gotta know from chat GPT. Okay, so he never played tight end?
1:44:00
All right, Well, there's a couple reps that's listed for him on
1:44:02
PFF and college at Yukon that he was listed as like slot and inline,
1:44:06
so it could just be where he aligned like he didn't actually wasn't actually a
1:44:11
tight end, but they just kind of use his athletics in the size and
1:44:14
aligned him in certain spots. So he may have played it by alignment,
1:44:17
but I don't think it was. Maybe he wasn't every officially a tight end.
1:44:21
Oh that's funny, Paul says, as the texts printing I heard your
1:44:25
voice reading my name. I like that. I should have just looked it
1:44:27
up on d TBT. Well done, well done, Zach of All Trade
1:44:30
says, I know we already talked to Elan, but hear me out.
1:44:33
Spencer Brown was so mercurial he put it together in twenty twenty three and was
1:44:36
banged up in twenty twenty two. Do we think Elam has the same trajectory.
1:44:42
I can see that I'm not counting out Kyrie Evam on it any way,
1:44:45
shape or form. The general rule of thumb that I operate by,
1:44:46
and this is a rule of time, I think for scouts and front office
1:44:53
people and just things in general, you don't really give a concrete decision or
1:44:59
great Hunts one until they finished their third year. So I think the jury
1:45:03
is still out for Kyer. Even if Kyer balled out the first two seasons,
1:45:06
I would say, like, we let's see what happens in the year
1:45:09
three and then, given where he's at right now, I'm still very much
1:45:12
in a wait and see mode. I haven't given up on him again.
1:45:15
Just the tools that he has and the traits that he has, and the
1:45:17
mind and football IQ that he operates with I don't think it's out of the
1:45:21
realm of possibility that he puts it all together. I would love for him
1:45:25
to be able to put things together a sap. I do think it's a
1:45:30
possibility that he kind of hit on things. What's nice with Brown is that
1:45:34
he had Aaron Kromer working with him. I will say this for Spencer Brown.
1:45:39
I think he had obviously a good twenty three three good twenty twenty three
1:45:44
for what he did this past season and stabilizing his game a bit. I
1:45:49
don't think his twenty twenty three was as good as a lot of people may
1:45:54
necessarily think it is. I did a project where I basically watched every single
1:45:59
rep of his pass protection, and he got beat a little bit more than
1:46:03
people remember. And he got help a lot, either from the tight ends
1:46:06
lining up alongside him or giving him chip help, or the running backs giving
1:46:10
him some chip help, or Osirus Torrance being kind of an inside lead piece
1:46:15
and helper as he needed. But I do think Brown had a good year,
1:46:17
especially compared to what he was But I still am tempering expectations a little
1:46:21
bit for him. But I think of them could have the same trajectory,
1:46:24
and I think that's a very fair point. He's got the traits, he's
1:46:27
got the pedigree, he's got he's really smart. If you haven't watched the
1:46:30
film Room episode that he that he was on with Eric and I do one
1:46:32
understands like, oh, hey, you know I was able to jump this
1:46:34
route and make this interception because I saw the quarterback when he went to throw
1:46:39
his like his shoulder angle and trajectory was dipped a little bit, so I
1:46:43
knew he wasn't going to the intermediate route. I knew he was pushing it
1:46:45
downfield, which is why I took off and jumped this and like he just
1:46:48
he gets it. Basically, what his biggest problem is is his footwork gets
1:46:53
a little sloppy and that causes him to grab and get grabby either in stems
1:46:58
or on the brakes for routes, and that's his biggest thing. So if
1:47:00
his footwork is better, that's a huge, huge piece, and it's possible
1:47:03
that it could. I know a lot of the conversation with him is always
1:47:06
like, well, he's a man corner and he's not good at playing zone.
1:47:10
But the issue was granted, that's part of it, but the issue
1:47:13
for me was even when he was playing man, he's still mad gravy like
1:47:15
in man or even if he's matching like, he's gravy regardless whether and then
1:47:20
if he's in zone, if he's sitting, you know, on an out
1:47:25
route and it's cover two and he's a cloud corner, he gets grabby on
1:47:28
the corner or on the receiver as they make that break. So I think
1:47:31
a lot of it is his footwork and tying that in with his eyes and
1:47:34
his hands, and if he can get in that spot, then cool.
1:47:38
But yeah, I'm not counting him out any way, shape or for him.
1:47:45
Claude says, what's worse is the Bills lost to a lot of bad
1:47:48
qbs. Yeah, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Russell Wilson, Yeah,
1:47:56
yeah, the mac Jones. I mean all three of those are killing.
1:47:58
The mac Jones one really kills me, Like the Zach Wilson won, Allen
1:48:01
played terrible in that game and turned the ball over like seventy five times.
1:48:03
The mac Jones one kills me because the Bills offense took the lead late after
1:48:09
not playing great, and then the defense let mac Jones just drive right down
1:48:12
even though it was like, oh, what was it that screen pass or
1:48:15
something to Ramandre Stevenson out of the backfield, and it should have been like
1:48:18
a legal man downfield. I forget what call they got hosed on, but
1:48:23
still you let Mac Jones like drive down and win that game. That was
1:48:25
terrible. And then yeah, that Broncos game field goals at the end,
1:48:30
and just that that Broncos game too, was the first play is that passed
1:48:33
the cook and it gains like eight yards and he fumbles and it was just
1:48:38
turnovers and horrible timing. Yeah, man, it was. It was.
1:48:43
Oh, what's this comment here from this guy saying all you guys should come
1:48:45
on and be Dolphins fans. Oh? Good, do I see people coming
1:48:47
back at Gary. Wow? Good one for Gary. Ooh. Charles says,
1:48:53
will Brady run Josh into the ground or will they actually give short yard
1:48:56
his goal work to the running backs of the addition of Davis, good question.
1:49:00
I think Brady is going to lean into the Josh Allen run game.
1:49:03
I'm not gonna say run him into the ground. And I'll also say this
1:49:08
too what I've said on the show. I think Dorsey was keeping the Josh
1:49:12
Allen run game in the holster for his like break glass in case of emergency
1:49:16
piece and something he was going to bust out later in the season. He
1:49:19
just never got to that point. I expect Brady to lean more into the
1:49:25
Josh Allen run game. I'm not gonna say necessarily run him into the ground,
1:49:28
but I mean part of him being a mutant and an alien and unicorn
1:49:31
is that he is like a goal line back and a short yardage winner.
1:49:35
But I do think you'll see Ray Davis worked into that role, and even
1:49:38
Ty Johnson to a degree as well. I also think you'll see a good
1:49:41
mix of play action and boots for short yardage and goal line work to take
1:49:45
advantage of Allen's legs, not necessarily as a direct runner, but to get
1:49:49
him on the move in space and create explosives or big plays off of that,
1:49:54
based off of playing the tendencies. Paul says, of what you said
1:50:00
about the alignment is true, sheldy Tea is wrong, and the laurels you
1:50:04
tossed me should be be calling me. Hey man, I'm not gonna call
1:50:09
AI stupid. I could be. I could be right. I have to
1:50:10
I would have to go back and watch his taper. It could just be
1:50:13
how PFF charted it, and again that's a human charting it. It could
1:50:15
be human error. I don't know. They could be wrong. Oh Pop
1:50:19
says, I think I had one extra ticket for Sunday. That would be
1:50:21
tremendous if you had an extra ticket. I think Eric is trying to go
1:50:25
too, So I'm trying to scrap together two tickets, one for myself one
1:50:27
for Eric. That would be huge, Pops, I greatly appreciate you for
1:50:30
that. What else? Oh Gary's coming in and saying what happened in the
1:50:34
seventies? Dolphins fan talking smack Fine Claude says his father and uncle are both
1:50:41
safeties. Is is it possible that Elam's home may be safety? No,
1:50:47
I think he's made for corner. I also don't think he has the tackling
1:50:49
for safety. His his fits from depth and then finishing at the tackle point
1:50:56
I do not think are consistent enough. I think it's a harder transition to
1:50:59
go from corner safety. Then people make it seem not that you're making it
1:51:01
seem easy, but how you see the field, your responsibility in relation to
1:51:06
coverages and the route distributions, and then coming forward and fitting the run.
1:51:11
It's a really, it's a really different world, and just based off of
1:51:15
his tackling alone, I wouldn't want to put him in that position, let
1:51:17
alone having him try to adjust and learn a new position. I think it
1:51:19
would be a lot. Charles says, Tyrod almost got us two. Yep,
1:51:26
Tyron almost beat us to I mean, technically they could have called past
1:51:28
interference on that last play of the game, and it could have given the
1:51:30
Giants another shot. That game was wild, Adam saying they don't use Josh
1:51:33
enough. They don't use enough Josh and bootleg runs. They definitely could.
1:51:41
Joe says, Let's say you were stuck on an island, but you found
1:51:45
I hope this is good. I could read it through it. I don't
1:51:46
know. Let's say you were stuck on an island, but you found out
1:51:49
that you could choose three Bills players to magically appear and help you build a
1:51:54
ship to escape. Who do you choose and why Bruce Smith because he's a
1:51:58
monster of a man and the I'm gonna you're gonna need dudes who have intelligence
1:52:03
and then who have like physical ability to carry stuff and build stuff and put
1:52:09
things together. So I'm gonna bring Bruce Smith because I think he could be
1:52:13
a workhorse for helping me like build a ship in terms of ripping stuff down,
1:52:18
chopping things up. I think he would be great for that. Oh,
1:52:24
this is really good. This is super tough. Man. I kind
1:52:28
of want to say Tremaine Edmonds because like his length would be super helpful to
1:52:31
like pull stuff down. Oh, this is a good run for Mike.
1:52:34
Mike, said Trent Edwards. I'm trying to think of like who would be
1:52:38
super smart, Like I don't know Bernard is super smart? Like because I'm
1:52:42
also thinking like does anyone who's gonna know how to build a ship. So
1:52:45
I'm thinking like Mike A. Hyde is super smart? Toell Bernard is super
1:52:48
smart. Honestly, Bruce was super smart as well. But I need somebody
1:52:54
to like maybe, oh man, I think like hide, I feel like
1:53:00
I would just have good leadership. I'm gonna say Micah Hyde from a leadership
1:53:02
standpoint and just kind of keeping us on track, keeping us level headed.
1:53:09
Yeah, I'm gonna say Micah Hyde. I'm gonna say Bruce Smith and h
1:53:16
three Bills I also met if they do coaches count, because then I'm trying
1:53:20
to think like, oh man, like who's that. I want to be
1:53:21
like Rex Ryan for entertainment. This is really tough. Oh tries to go
1:53:28
from Charles. He said, I'd bring two offensive linemen and Mackenzie strictly to
1:53:30
keep the vibes. Oh, I probably you know that's a good offensive lineman.
1:53:35
I'm gonna say Spencer Brown currently, just from a size and athleticism standpoint,
1:53:41
I think he just take advantage of everything that he brings. He's got
1:53:45
size, he's got length, he's got height, he's got strength. Also
1:53:49
too. We're on an island, so I'm gonna need somebody to help me,
1:53:55
like fight dudes off, or fight off animals, or fight off when
1:53:59
when we're on the boat, what happens. We've got a fight a shark.
1:54:00
So I want dudes who can scrap. So having an offensive lineman and
1:54:04
Spencer Brown with size and athleticism, having Bruce Smith and then Mia a Hide,
1:54:10
that would be my grouping. This is a really tough one. I
1:54:12
like this. This was good. Yeah, Joe, you should you should
1:54:14
take responsibility for the derailment. Yeah, sorry, David Paul says, got
1:54:17
a dip. Thanks for the great show, y'all. Go bills. Uh
1:54:20
damn, Mike says, you want high character guys. Oh, Roy said
1:54:24
Ryan Fitzpatrick for a smart guy. Oh yeah, yeah, that's in there
1:54:30
too. This is a really hard question, Joe. We're gonna have to
1:54:33
go back and make this like a pure off season episode crossover of under review
1:54:39
slash disguised coverage. Because that's a really good one. That's a really good
1:54:42
one. Oh, that's good from David, he says, fits we can
1:54:44
use his beard as a raft. That's good. Oh, I like that.
1:54:50
I like that. Oh also, are we like it were terms of
1:54:55
magically appearing. I'm assuming we're talking about them in their prime, Like I
1:54:58
assume that, like if I pick Bruce Smith right now, like I want
1:55:02
like prime, like twenty eight year old, like Bruce Smith. Yeah,
1:55:08
this is a tough one. Yeah, that's good. And part of me
1:55:11
also thinks, like ooh like Bryce Pop or like Shane Conlin. Mmmm.
1:55:18
That was another joke I was gonna make. But I'm not gonna that's a
1:55:19
really good question. That's a really good question, And I think it's a
1:55:21
good spot to put up the band. It's just tootle folks and start to
1:55:25
wind down. Oh, josephs different survival scenarios. I almost chose a cave
1:55:29
instead of an island. I love that bookmark that idea off season content or
1:55:33
even in season during the bye week or something this year. Do it?
1:55:38
Set it up on the show. I will join you on under review and
1:55:41
let's make this an episode. This is mad funny. I like this a
1:55:43
lot, different survival scenarios and then different qualifications and different pieces. Different survival
1:55:47
scenarios in terms of location, but also like challenges, you have to overcome
1:55:53
certain obstacles. I love that. That's great. That's great. That's great
1:55:57
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1:56:00
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RJ. This is a cold coming from JDub who says, for boat building,
1:57:38
you need the tallest guy you can get and the smallest guy you can
1:57:41
get. I don't know anything about boat building, so you could be right,
1:57:45
or you could be making this up. And I have no idea,
1:57:48
but that seems like it kind of makes sense. But I like that.
1:57:51
We're just gonna have to have a whole boat building episode here in an offshoot
1:57:55
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1:57:58
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