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2 Beautiful Girls VANISH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful, young twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old girl missing her family now telling us she
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Speaker 1: was taken against her will. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at k MPH Fox.
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Speaker 1: This is the flyer. They are posted all over town.
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Speaker 1: Her family and friends have also been sharing them online.
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Speaker 1: I saw by the convenience store where she was last seen,
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Speaker 1: and I was trying to get surveillance video. Wasn't able
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Speaker 1: to but a woman there overheard me asking and said
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Speaker 1: she had just been handed one of these. So we
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Speaker 1: know they're getting around and they are people out there
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Speaker 1: keeping an eye out. But the Summa Police Department also
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Speaker 1: emailed a notice out this evening. Fight all of that effort,
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Speaker 1: still no sign of Jalissa Puenttos. Do this morning the
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Speaker 1: Selma police problem, which is asking for the public's help
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Speaker 1: finding a missing woman. Twenty two year old Julissa Fuenttos
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Speaker 1: was lasting on Sunday around four am in Selma. Police
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Speaker 1: say she drives this car here, a silver Hunday with
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Speaker 1: tinted rear windows. Now you see the car in this
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Speaker 1: picture on your screen. Now you have seen Fuintas or
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Speaker 1: have any information about her whereabouts, you are asked to
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Speaker 1: call the Selma Police Department and also hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at KFSN in the search for this young woman is
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Speaker 1: Jalisa with me an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first of all,
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Speaker 1: let me go out to climoline dot com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Dave mac Dave. I understand that there is a convenience
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Speaker 1: store involved, but no surveillance video or is there surveillance video, Yancy?
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Speaker 1: There is surveillance video the AMPM convenience store that shows
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Speaker 1: Julissa in the shows her in the parking lot out
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Speaker 1: round where she parks her car, shows her inside the store,
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Speaker 1: and shows her leaving. That's why we have a really
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Speaker 1: good timeline of her around four h six am. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct. Take a listen our forensic k SE.
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Speaker 1: Jelisa was last seen at this AMPM at Highland and
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Speaker 1: Nebraska Avenues in Selma last Sunday. Here's Surveland's video from
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Speaker 1: that day. Jolisa pulls up at four or four am,
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Speaker 1: and she's back in her twenty eleven silver Hundai Accent
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Speaker 1: by four oh six am. But then she drives off
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Speaker 1: and makes a left on Nebraska Avenue. Her parents say
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Speaker 1: she lives with Grandma and she should have made a
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Speaker 1: right turn to go back home. We don't know why
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Speaker 1: she turned left. Yeah, I was convinced through a surveillance video,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, but the first report says she couldn't see it,
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Speaker 1: which I found really interesting. You know what, Dave mac
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Speaker 1: we have had so Minik says, where surveillance video at
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Speaker 1: a convenience store has really started a timeline. It's incredible
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Speaker 1: how often that happens. And that's exactly what we have here, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Without this, we wouldn't have a firm understanding of what
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Speaker 1: was happening with Jolisa at that time. The actual video
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Speaker 1: shows her pulling in, it shows if there are any
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Speaker 1: cars around her, it shows if there's anybody watching following
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Speaker 1: her inside the store, and it shows her leaving. That's
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Speaker 1: why we know that when Julissa Flinte left the AMPM
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Speaker 1: convenience store, she actually went to the left, which meant
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Speaker 1: to her family that she was not going back home
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Speaker 1: to grandma's house because she would have turned right to
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Speaker 1: go to her grandmother's and that's why that left turn
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Speaker 1: is so significant, you know, Dave Mack specifically speaking of
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Speaker 1: a case that you and I worked on, Chase Master, remember,
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Speaker 1: had come home from either Iraq or Afghanistan, had PTSD
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Speaker 1: big time, and he had been working at a It
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Speaker 1: was a quick trip, wasn't it, Jackie. And that it's
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Speaker 1: like a little subculture there generally, you know, where you
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Speaker 1: work turns into a little society in itself. And he
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Speaker 1: had been back and forth there, and the video surveillance
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Speaker 1: of him there the evening he disappeared really was an
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Speaker 1: integral part in piecing together a timeline. And we've seen
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Speaker 1: it over and over and over. I know you remember
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Speaker 1: Shasta Gronie. Shasta and her little brother Dylan were kidnapped
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Speaker 1: from their home in Encourage, Delaine, Idaho, where there is
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Speaker 1: no ring camera, there's no toll booth, there's no red
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Speaker 1: light cam. But months later we had been airing it
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Speaker 1: almost every night about Shasta, Grownie and Dylan. A woman,
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Speaker 1: a cashier, recognized Shasta and we've seen the video a
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Speaker 1: million times, walking subserviently behind her kidnapper, who also murdered
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Speaker 1: her brother. Right in front of her, and that's how
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Speaker 1: she was found. So I can't stress enough how important
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Speaker 1: this surveillance video is in this case. Dave, Matt and Athi,
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that I saw the same thing you did
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Speaker 1: when I was watching the video. I was looking to see,
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Speaker 1: was there somebody in the parking lot at the AMPM?
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Speaker 1: Was there somebody in the store. Well, there is somebody
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Speaker 1: inside the store that is also walking around. Again, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about four o'clock in the morning here. The thing
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Speaker 1: is is the person that is seen inside the store
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Speaker 1: isn't seen like tracing her tracking or rather when it's
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Speaker 1: when Jalisa leaves the AMPM, that that's where our last
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Speaker 1: visual contact with her ends. She actually makes that left
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Speaker 1: hand turn. So the family is concerned because of the
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Speaker 1: direction she goes and that means a lot to them.
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Speaker 1: And if she turns back right to go back George
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Speaker 1: Grandma's house, that gives us a better idea of what
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Speaker 1: could have happened. But this case, she goes left and
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Speaker 1: we have no idea why you know. To our special
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Speaker 1: guest joining us, doctor Jeff Gardier, longtime colleague and friend,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gardier, Board certified psychologist, Professor of behavioral medicine at
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Speaker 1: Turo and author of Oh my Goodness, so many great books,
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Speaker 1: including Practical Parenting, which I love, Doctor Garder, I hate
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Speaker 1: to single it out of all your books you've written,
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Speaker 1: But Jeff Gardier, I want to talk to you for
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Speaker 1: a moment about why we're so concerned that this young
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Speaker 1: girl turns left. Okay, let me give you an example.
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Speaker 1: The other day, I had gone out jogging, and I
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Speaker 1: had been gone forty minutes, and not only did it
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Speaker 1: start writing, which was no problem, but then it started
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Speaker 1: lightning really badly, and I mean like cracking lightning. So
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Speaker 1: I called David and said a voicemail. Of course, why
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Speaker 1: does nobody pick up when you're in trouble? I left
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Speaker 1: a message, come get me. I'm out in lightning and
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Speaker 1: I need to get home. I've already been gone almost
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Speaker 1: an hour at that point. Anyway, Jeff, he went my
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Speaker 1: normal rap because normally I turned left to go walking
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Speaker 1: or jogging. That day, I turned right. It took him
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Speaker 1: twenty more minutes to even find me because I went
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Speaker 1: against my regular routine. Right See. And that's why when
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Speaker 1: Julissa turns left, everybody goes, what that's not correct? She
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Speaker 1: never does that it's actually very significant. Absolutely, we are
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Speaker 1: creatures of habit. We adapt and almost become habitual to
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Speaker 1: the regular routes that we take. It becomes ingrained, almost
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Speaker 1: in our dna. We do it in our sleep. That's
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Speaker 1: one thing. But the second thing that's just as important
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Speaker 1: is and the point you bring up with David, is
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Speaker 1: we take these routes, we do the things that we
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Speaker 1: normally do because it's a clear signal to the to
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Speaker 1: our loved ones that everything is okay. And so if
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Speaker 1: we go astray or if we take a route that
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Speaker 1: is somewhat different, we may not think twice about it,
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Speaker 1: but certainly for our loved ones, it alerts us as
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Speaker 1: to wait a minute, this is not what this person
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Speaker 1: has been doing for the past five years, ten years,
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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. And even if nothing is wrong,
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Speaker 1: it just that it just rings every alarm bell possible.
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Speaker 1: It really does, Jeff Gardier, you and I talked about it.
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Speaker 1: In so many cases where we rely on routine evidence.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean typical evidence evidence of routine crime stories.
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we're talking about this precious young woman,
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Speaker 1: just twenty two years old, just the apple of her
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Speaker 1: families eye and she's missing and they're desperate. We want
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Speaker 1: to help. The tipline for Julissa Flintes is five five
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Speaker 1: nine eight nine one two two forty three repeat five
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Speaker 1: five nine eight nine one two two forty three. What
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Speaker 1: more do we know? Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at k MPH Fox. My granddaughther, Julissa find has went
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Speaker 1: to a friend's house in Selma Saturday night and left
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Speaker 1: around three am. She stopped by home, but went out
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Speaker 1: again to grab a snack from a near by AMPM.
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Speaker 1: The store owner told me he gave police surveillance video
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Speaker 1: showing Melissa there at four oh six in the morning.
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Speaker 1: She added west down Nebraska Avenue when she left, and
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Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone saw her. Hey, you're
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Speaker 1: missing you. We know your mommy and we're praying for you.
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Speaker 1: She tried calling her sister just before she went to
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Speaker 1: the AMPM, and again twice around five thirty, but her
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Speaker 1: sister was asleep. So let me understand, Dave Max. She
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Speaker 1: went to a friend girls house, and it looked like
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Speaker 1: she was probably going to spend the night that night,
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Speaker 1: but instead she gets up and decides to go home apparently,
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Speaker 1: but first she stops at this AMPM. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: Not exactly ansy what she did, but she left her
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Speaker 1: friend's house around three am. She went to her grandma's house,
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Speaker 1: and she was at grandma's house, she picked up her
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Speaker 1: bag and her purse and some other stuff apparently, and
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Speaker 1: it was then that she went from grandma's house to
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Speaker 1: the AMPM convenience store at around four am. You're right,
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Speaker 1: because I was the king, Dave Mack. What is she
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Speaker 1: doing out so early in the morning. Not that that's
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Speaker 1: a felony, but that's her not her normal practice. But
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Speaker 1: it was, as you correctly said, Dave Mack, she decides
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Speaker 1: not to spend the entire night, goes home to Grandma's
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Speaker 1: and then goes by the AMPM, grabs her pocketbook and
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Speaker 1: goes to AMPM. And I noticed again they're talking about
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Speaker 1: why she went in another direction. Tell me what you can,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac about Selma, California and the area where they
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Speaker 1: live Selma, California is it's a rural area. You know,
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Speaker 1: when we tend to think of California, we don't think
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Speaker 1: of you know, orchards and things like that. We tend
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Speaker 1: to think of cities in southern California. Hold on, just
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Speaker 1: a moment. I thought that too until I went to
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Speaker 1: go live in Redwood City for the Scott Peterson trial.
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Speaker 1: And if you go to Covina, where Lacy and Connor
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Speaker 1: and Peterson lived, you go to the end of the
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Speaker 1: street and there is like a fence and on the
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Speaker 1: other side of the fence are hundreds and hundreds of
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Speaker 1: acres of what I think to be all of orchards.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right in the middle, just beautiful, beautiful farmland.
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Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I think typically people think
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Speaker 1: of San Francisco or La and unless you've been there,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to take in that it's really like one
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Speaker 1: of the cradles of farming for our entire country. So
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Speaker 1: this is one of those spots in Selma, California. Correct,
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Speaker 1: And that means something here, Nancy. Actually, if you look
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Speaker 1: at a map, you're gonna see Selma is in the
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Speaker 1: eastern part of the like in the middle of the state,
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Speaker 1: in the east. Okay, funny. I'm from Orange County, California,
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Speaker 1: which is southern, and so I understand when I talk
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Speaker 1: to people and they always have a they have a
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Speaker 1: misconception about the area. Here's the deal. There were plenty
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Speaker 1: of orchards out here like it is that a faveriantly
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Speaker 1: rural area, and she actually, Jalisa, would go and be
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Speaker 1: in an orchard area to find what our family referred
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Speaker 1: to as peace of mind. There was a very calm
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Speaker 1: area for her and it was in an orchard in
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Speaker 1: the middle of this area they lived. And so that
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Speaker 1: was one of the things the family went to look
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Speaker 1: for first where because she is known to do that,
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Speaker 1: to go and repair by herself and just chill, and
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Speaker 1: so that was what they were looking at to Justin
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Speaker 1: Bourdeman joining us, the former Special Victims Unit detective and
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Speaker 1: West Valley City author of I Was Wrong, An investigator's
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Speaker 1: battlecry for change within the Special Victims Unit. You can
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Speaker 1: find it at Justin Bourman dot com. Justin thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us. One reason I like to establish the
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Speaker 1: typography where we're talking about is it helps me come
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Speaker 1: up with a suspect pool. If you're in New York City,
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Speaker 1: basically dangers lurking at every corner. And I lived there
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Speaker 1: over twelve years, and you got to really be careful
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Speaker 1: in a rural area. You don't really think of danger
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Speaker 1: lurking in every red light. This should narrow down the
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Speaker 1: search up for suspects. But on the other hand, it
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Speaker 1: also widens the possibility of where the victim could be.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely does. And I think that, you know, one of
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Speaker 1: the places where I would start looking. Certainly we have
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Speaker 1: less suspects in the rural area, right unless it's somebody
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Speaker 1: that's wandering through that that may have taken a part.
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Speaker 1: But this whole turning left thing to me signals, you know,
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Speaker 1: what was you know, maybe what was the purchase is
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Speaker 1: you're going to go share stuff beverages with somebody or
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Speaker 1: something like that. And maybe she met somebody at her
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Speaker 1: friend's house that way, It just seems like she was
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Speaker 1: going to go see someone. The friend has been questioned
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Speaker 1: and does not mention anything about her leaving with another
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Speaker 1: person or a later made up But you're right, those
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Speaker 1: are the first people you want to talk to after Grandma.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at K and pH Fox. The family knew by
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Speaker 1: that morning something was wrong. As soon as I got
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Speaker 1: out of church. I takes her and he said, Delissa,
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Speaker 1: who are you? This is? Grandma? Give me a call
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Speaker 1: and not and it takes her again and nothingness, And
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Speaker 1: I like orch. She always takes his knee back and says,
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Speaker 1: grandma'm okay, I'm fine, don't worry, I'll come home. Do
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Speaker 1: you never came? When the family calls now, the phone
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Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail. The someone police department considers this
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Speaker 1: a missing person's case, explaining to me today, this is
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Speaker 1: irregular behavior for Julissa, but so far at the department
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Speaker 1: hasn't said anything about foul play. You know what I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing right there, Sarah Ford. Sarah Ford is the legal
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Speaker 1: by director of South Carolina Victim's Assistants Network, former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: focusing on crimes against women. Sarah, I'm listening to what
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Speaker 1: the grandma is saying, and it reminds me we have
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Speaker 1: to take into account. This was a Saturday night going
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Speaker 1: into Sunday morning, so when the grandma gets up to
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Speaker 1: go to church, she starts texting and calling, and already
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Speaker 1: I believe it was going straight to voicemail. Absolutely, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's very unusual, especially because Julissa made several calls to
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Speaker 1: her sister after she left the convenience store, so we
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Speaker 1: know that her phone was working for at least an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half or so after she was last seen,
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Speaker 1: and then of course that morning, several hours later, it's
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Speaker 1: going straight to voicemail. And obviously at that point her
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Speaker 1: grandmother knew something, something wasn't quite right. What do we know,
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Speaker 1: if anything right now, Dave Mack about potential pings on
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Speaker 1: her phone? Where was it last paged? We don't have
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Speaker 1: that information yet, Nancy. You know, it takes time sometimes
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Speaker 1: for them to figure out what has gone on. But
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Speaker 1: something that is interesting to point out is that Jalisa
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Speaker 1: tried to call her sister Jackie three different times. One
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Speaker 1: was right around four am when she got to the
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Speaker 1: AMPM comedience story. The other two calls were back to
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Speaker 1: back at five twenty four am and five twenty five am.
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Speaker 1: Those were FaceTime calls she tried to make and her
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Speaker 1: sister was asleep, so there was no contact there. Now
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Speaker 1: we don't know what happened after that. We just know
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Speaker 1: that there were those two calls at five twenty four
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Speaker 1: and five twenty five am. Hopefully we'll get the data
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Speaker 1: from law enforcement sometime in the next couple of days.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about those last calls to the
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Speaker 1: sister five five twenty six am. Sister in La did
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Speaker 1: not pick it up. I'm very, very curious as to
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Speaker 1: why law enforcement it's not releasing the location of the
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Speaker 1: last pig. So let's look at the title line. To you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, We've got her on video at the am
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Speaker 1: PM and that's around four h six am. She's caught
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Speaker 1: on video. We know she is alive and calling her
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Speaker 1: sister at five twenty five am. Is that the last
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Speaker 1: thing we know of her now? This is after leaving
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Speaker 1: a party at her friends home. What do we is
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Speaker 1: that the last time we know of her? That is now?
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Speaker 1: We don't know it was her dialing that phone at
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Speaker 1: five twenty four and five twenty five am. We know
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Speaker 1: that her phone was used to try to make a
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Speaker 1: FaceTime connection with her sister at that time, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know it was her. The last time we see
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Speaker 1: her as four h six am in her card turning
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Speaker 1: left on in Nebraska, and then the two phone calls
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Speaker 1: were FaceTime calls at five twenty four five twenty five.
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Speaker 1: You know, Sarah Ford, I would like to argue with
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack about we don't know that was her calling
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Speaker 1: her sister. I guess who else will be calling her
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Speaker 1: the sister's number at five o'clock, five thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 1: But we learn in the Gabby Potito case that her
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Speaker 1: killer fiance, Brian Laundry, was actually using Gabby Potito's phone
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Speaker 1: after he murdered her to throw off family and potentially
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Speaker 1: police from the trail to you know, present that she
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Speaker 1: was still alive when he knew he had left her
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Speaker 1: body to decompose and disperse camping. So Dave Mack is right,
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Speaker 1: you can't assume that this was her. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, if you're gonna FaceTime the victim's sister, that
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Speaker 1: means your face is going to show up. What idiot
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Speaker 1: would do that after wrong doing? Right? Absolutely, And I
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Speaker 1: think this is where we can go back to the
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Speaker 1: routine of the individual that's missing to Julissa's routine. Did
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Speaker 1: she often FaceTime her sister? There's some people who hate FaceTime,
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Speaker 1: so if she if she did that, that would be unusual.
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Speaker 1: So kind of looking at her phone habits there I
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Speaker 1: think is important as well. You know, she often talked
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Speaker 1: to her sister early in the morning. You know, those
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Speaker 1: are certainly things that that I'm questioning as to they
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Speaker 1: could potentially help expand this timeline a little bit. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding, Dave that the car she was driving,
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Speaker 1: a two thousand eleven gray Hyundai, has not been recovered.
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Speaker 1: I find that really interesting. I believe it was an accent.
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Speaker 1: It was a two thousand and eleven silver Hunday accent,
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Speaker 1: and it hasn't been found, not at all, and no
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Speaker 1: sightings either. Okay, that's crazy, guys. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Marie Edinger at Fox twenty six. We know
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Speaker 1: Julissa's character, you know, we know Julissa's character so good
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Speaker 1: there was no question when none of us Julissa's family
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Speaker 1: and friends spend the day out looking for her. They
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Speaker 1: divided up, some driving and there's walking hoping for any sign.
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Speaker 1: We're out there searching the country, chin to see if
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Speaker 1: we see anything, if we see her card. But it
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Speaker 1: hurts because you're helpless, so helpless. Fact, I never felt like,
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Speaker 1: give come home, baby. We need to. We want to
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Speaker 1: over here, and if somebody has her, please let her go,
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Speaker 1: Please let her come home. Also, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Natalie Vera at KSA twenty four. Her left ones. Don't
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Speaker 1: think Jolisa would disappear on her own though her phone's
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Speaker 1: been off. We've been sending text messages calling it but
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Speaker 1: it's been off since Sunday. The funtest say Jolisa's sister
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Speaker 1: had two missed FaceTime calls from Jolisa's number at five
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Speaker 1: twenty four and five twenty five am. That's about an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half after she left the gas station.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Jeff Guardier, psychologists joining us professor of
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Speaker 1: behavioral Medicine at Touro. The fact that the family is
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Speaker 1: saying she's never done this before, this is not like her.
21:53
Speaker 1: That would be as if everybody was ready to start
21:57
Speaker 1: crime stories and I just disappeared. That has never happened,
22:02
Speaker 1: and all my years never or didn't show up for
22:05
Speaker 1: court for Pete's sake, never happened. A lot of times
22:09
Speaker 1: police discount that kind of evidence, but I find it
22:13
Speaker 1: very powerful. Jeff Gardier, you can you can hear the
22:16
Speaker 1: confidence in her family that are adamant that she is
22:23
Speaker 1: a person of habits. She's a good girl. She is
22:27
Speaker 1: not veering off into any situations that Mike put her
22:33
Speaker 1: in danger, and that's why they were concerned right from
22:37
Speaker 1: the very beginning. Look, this is a young person, and
22:41
Speaker 1: sometimes we see with young people, you know that they
22:44
Speaker 1: may go to a friend's home, power runs out of
22:47
Speaker 1: their phone at some point, or they fall asleep, and
22:51
Speaker 1: then you know, they can be irresponsible and not say
22:55
Speaker 1: anything or not show up until the next day. I
22:57
Speaker 1: deal with that all the time with parents in their kids.
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Speaker 1: But this family is saying, this is not this young girl.
23:05
Speaker 1: That's not what she does. What do we know about her?
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Where does she work or go to school?
23:11
Speaker 1: She doesn't go to school. She does have a job,
23:13
Speaker 1: and I was looking at earlier they were talking about
23:15
Speaker 1: at the like a packing plant, just your regular you know,
23:19
Speaker 1: punching and punching out kind of a job. No children
23:22
Speaker 1: that we know of, and the closest And this is
23:26
Speaker 1: something that I also wanted to point out Nancy. A
23:28
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, a friend of hers, a very
23:29
Speaker 1: close friend of hers, passed away. And this friend was
23:34
Speaker 1: somebody that Jalisa would go and out to the orchard together.
23:38
Speaker 1: It was their little place of peace and where they
23:40
Speaker 1: would just go and hang out. That's why the orchard
23:43
Speaker 1: has been such an important part of what they're trying
23:46
Speaker 1: to figure out that she has really been missing this
23:49
Speaker 1: friend that passed away. Guys, there is a reward take
23:52
Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Liz Gazales at Fox twenty
23:56
Speaker 1: six and that was always care of business. Yeah, lost
24:04
Speaker 1: can do nothing. A Selma family has been desperately searching
24:09
Speaker 1: for a twenty two year old woman who's been missing
24:11
Speaker 1: now for nearly three days. That family now offering a
24:15
Speaker 1: one thousand dollar reward for anyone who can help them
24:18
Speaker 1: find the missing woman, Julissa Fuentes. She was lasting Sunday
24:23
Speaker 1: around four in the morning. That reward is now clowned
24:25
Speaker 1: to ten thousand dollars and on Facebook you can find
24:29
Speaker 1: the search at find Julissa Salentes. Take a listen now
24:33
Speaker 1: to our cut thirteen, our friends Marie Anger and others
24:39
Speaker 1: at Fox twenty six. The family mentioned Jelissa would often
24:42
Speaker 1: go to the orchard in the countryside just to hang
24:44
Speaker 1: out and think. They said that she had a friend
24:47
Speaker 1: who passed away last month and she would go there
24:49
Speaker 1: from time to time with him. They think that may
24:52
Speaker 1: have been where she was headed, so she spent They've
24:54
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time over the past couple of
24:56
Speaker 1: days looking out in those orchards, looking in the countryside.
25:00
Speaker 1: Of course, no luck so far, and again we want
25:01
Speaker 1: to emphasize that police are saying this is completely out
25:04
Speaker 1: of character. She does not take off like this for
25:07
Speaker 1: days at the time. It's interesting. We know Sarah Ford
25:10
Speaker 1: that when she went home after the party at the
25:13
Speaker 1: friend's house, it was in the early morning hours. She
25:17
Speaker 1: got her purse and some money and left, so we
25:22
Speaker 1: know she was in her car with a purse and money.
25:26
Speaker 1: None of that has been found. But if a young
25:29
Speaker 1: girl is sitting out where she and her friend would
25:33
Speaker 1: sit before the friend passed away at six o'clock in
25:37
Speaker 1: the morning, and bringing it back to the area where
25:42
Speaker 1: it's a lot of farmland and orchards and there are
25:46
Speaker 1: migrant workers that work those orchards. If she's sitting out
25:52
Speaker 1: there in her car or outside of her car in
25:56
Speaker 1: the early early morning hours, but they're just showing up
25:59
Speaker 1: to work, that's a problem. It's so important to think about.
26:03
Speaker 1: You know, people do see things and they often think
26:07
Speaker 1: that what they're seeing is insignificant. But when couples with
26:11
Speaker 1: you know, evidence pieces on top of you know, the timeline,
26:15
Speaker 1: it's very important that if someone just thought they saw
26:19
Speaker 1: someone sitting out there or saw a car leaving it
26:22
Speaker 1: at a certain time, that they come forward with that
26:25
Speaker 1: information because it says little things that really can can
26:29
Speaker 1: help crack a case open when you've really appeared to
26:34
Speaker 1: run into a dead end. Here, for one thing I
26:37
Speaker 1: think we could be doing justin Boordman is if her
26:40
Speaker 1: car has not been found looking at every toll booth,
26:45
Speaker 1: at every red light camp leading out of that area
26:48
Speaker 1: wherever they start. And that became a significant issue. If
26:52
Speaker 1: you recall the case of Alex and Murlog, his wife
26:56
Speaker 1: Maggie and son Paul found shot dead at their hunting lodge,
27:03
Speaker 1: a lot of money floating around there to have a
27:05
Speaker 1: home and a hunting lodge. But into the investigation, Alex
27:09
Speaker 1: Murdo claimed someone shot him in the head on a
27:12
Speaker 1: rural road. Made no sense. And while we were discussing
27:18
Speaker 1: and analyzing, we came up with the idea that cops
27:21
Speaker 1: should go all the way down that rural road where
27:24
Speaker 1: there is a Baptist church that has a camera to
27:29
Speaker 1: see who if anyone turned at that stop sign, And
27:33
Speaker 1: that is exactly what they ended up doing. And it
27:37
Speaker 1: was determined that Alex Murdog had not been ambush. He
27:40
Speaker 1: planned the whole thing. So there may not be ring cameras,
27:44
Speaker 1: there may not be a lot of red lights, but
27:48
Speaker 1: the in and out, the entrance and the exit to
27:50
Speaker 1: those areas need to be canvassed for video surveillance. Yeah. Absolutely,
27:55
Speaker 1: I think that's a great thought. There's another one that
27:59
Speaker 1: I think that we haven't chatted about yet either. Although
28:04
Speaker 1: SELMA is going to be a smaller police department and
28:06
Speaker 1: not have a lot of resources they can bring in
28:09
Speaker 1: the state. The state also, UM, like Utah where I policed, UM,
28:14
Speaker 1: we had plate scanners, and if you had officers with
28:20
Speaker 1: plate scanners and their cars driving around in areas, you
28:25
Speaker 1: might locate the vehicle a whole lot faster than how
28:29
Speaker 1: we're just seeming like we're waiting right now for to
28:32
Speaker 1: show up in an orchard. Also another thought is I
28:37
Speaker 1: keep going back to her turning left and possibly meeting
28:44
Speaker 1: up with somebody. Do we know anything about dating apps?
28:47
Speaker 1: Good question? What do we know, Dave Matt about her
28:51
Speaker 1: dating anyone? They haven't released information about that. They haven't
28:55
Speaker 1: released information about dating apps, the usage of the computers
29:00
Speaker 1: or her cloud. You know, I hate to say I
29:02
Speaker 1: assume they have, but you know, you kind of assume
29:04
Speaker 1: that they would have been that. You know, they reached
29:07
Speaker 1: out to the community for asking people to help with
29:10
Speaker 1: getting drones to fly drones over the area, which indicated
29:14
Speaker 1: to me, we've got a law enforcement agency that might
29:17
Speaker 1: be underfunded a little bit, and they're seeking the help
29:19
Speaker 1: from the community. And when they did, the drone community
29:22
Speaker 1: came out and they had so many drones up in
29:24
Speaker 1: the air. If that car was somewhere on the ground
29:27
Speaker 1: that could be seen by a drone, they would have
29:29
Speaker 1: had it. The parents, the family begging for help. Take
29:32
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends a k see twenty four
29:35
Speaker 1: and I pray for strength. The funtests are praying for
29:38
Speaker 1: good news. We've been here for the past five days searching.
29:42
Speaker 1: On Saturday, Jolisa Fuentes loft Ones carried out another search
29:46
Speaker 1: for the twenty two year old missing woman, trying to
29:49
Speaker 1: find anything anything that any belongs of my daughter, whether
29:54
Speaker 1: it was her purse or any of her clothing, her car,
29:58
Speaker 1: and I hate to said even my herself. The family
30:02
Speaker 1: begging for help. If you know or think you know
30:05
Speaker 1: anything about this missing girl, Julissa Fuentes, please doll five
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Speaker 1: five nine eight nine one two two three repeat five
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Speaker 1: is a ten thousand dollar reward, and remember She is
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Speaker 1: driving a gray Hyundai ACCT tag number eight mp as
30:29
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. You seven six six crime stories with Nancy Grace,
30:52
Speaker 1: and now he had all the way across the country
30:55
Speaker 1: from Selma, California to Illinois the case of another young
31:02
Speaker 1: missing woman. Listen, it says her so bad, it really does.
31:05
Speaker 1: Jericho lost. She went missing August sixteenth, twenty fifteen. It's
31:10
Speaker 1: just heartbreaking. Jericho has been missing her now for all
31:13
Speaker 1: or six years, she says. Jericho, who was twenty years
31:16
Speaker 1: old at the time, went out for a walk, which
31:18
Speaker 1: she did daily, but this time she didn't return home
31:21
Speaker 1: and hasn't since on a more time it goes by,
31:25
Speaker 1: the more I feel like I'm not going to find her,
31:27
Speaker 1: and I really don't know where it began to start over,
31:31
Speaker 1: you know, to look for her. You are hearing, Jericha's
31:35
Speaker 1: family to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Sumner,
31:41
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Jericha's disappearance. Jerica went
31:44
Speaker 1: for a walk Sunday evening, which was in the ordinary
31:49
Speaker 1: for her. This was something she did every day. Her
31:51
Speaker 1: neighbors knew her well because she used to walk the
31:54
Speaker 1: neighborhood so often. She said bye to her mom before
31:57
Speaker 1: she left, and she never came home. Take a listen
32:00
Speaker 1: to our friend Jackie Howard at crime online dot com.
32:03
Speaker 1: As you just heard, Jeriica Lass liked to walk. It
32:06
Speaker 1: was a regular occurrence for her. As her mother Sanconel
32:11
Speaker 1: tells me, Teriica was one hundred and forty pounds. She
32:14
Speaker 1: thought she was overweight, so she used to walk for exercise.
32:17
Speaker 1: So it wasn't uncommon that she went for walk, you know.
32:22
Speaker 1: And my neighborhood, I really thought it was a pretty
32:24
Speaker 1: safe neighborhood, so I had no concerns about her going
32:28
Speaker 1: full walk. You know, jos on walk and never comes back.
32:34
Speaker 1: You know, that's really odd. And you know what it's
32:37
Speaker 1: reminding me of justin Boardmand, It's reminding me of Stacy Peterson.
32:44
Speaker 1: You remember her married to Drew Peterson, the former cop
32:47
Speaker 1: not for her from here, nearly the same area. He
32:53
Speaker 1: says that his wife, the mother of his children, just
32:57
Speaker 1: leaves a home what on foot, leaving behind all of
33:00
Speaker 1: her clothes, all of her stuff, and her car. So
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to believe that this young woman Jericho Laws
33:09
Speaker 1: just leaves on foot and with the intent I'm never
33:13
Speaker 1: coming back right, that's just that's just whacked out. If
33:17
Speaker 1: you're not going to come back, you're gonna take a
33:19
Speaker 1: few more things with you. Take a listen now to
33:21
Speaker 1: our friends at Case Files Chicago. Next day, I want
33:24
Speaker 1: to work that morning. And I never really checked her
33:29
Speaker 1: room because she always calms in and if she's going somewhere,
33:34
Speaker 1: that's going to be out late. Jericho will let me know.
33:37
Speaker 1: But dishes were in the same and I should have
33:42
Speaker 1: known that something was wrong because she never she washed
33:44
Speaker 1: the dishes at night, never leave the dishes sing. Yeah,
33:48
Speaker 1: that's another attribute of behavioral evidence, because you know, I
33:54
Speaker 1: don't know about you, Sarah Ford, but if my family
33:59
Speaker 1: came in our Saint was piled high with dirty dishes,
34:02
Speaker 1: they would know something was really wrong. Absolutely, we have
34:06
Speaker 1: to look at the patterns of behavior, you know, of
34:10
Speaker 1: the individual, and they can really really tell you know
34:13
Speaker 1: what what's normal, what's not. And it definitely sounds like
34:17
Speaker 1: she went out for a walk and was expecting to
34:19
Speaker 1: come back but didn't. And to think that this family
34:24
Speaker 1: is still suffering, you know, years later, with no knowledge
34:27
Speaker 1: of what happened, none what soever. Well, can you tell me,
34:32
Speaker 1: Sidney Summers joining us from crime online dot Com about
34:35
Speaker 1: the area where she went missing. Yeah, so this is
34:38
Speaker 1: Park Forest, Illinois. It's south of Chicago. It's a little
34:41
Speaker 1: suburb they actually call it a village and has that
34:45
Speaker 1: few people. Population is about twenty thousand, and it's actually
34:50
Speaker 1: less than five square miles of land. So it's a
34:53
Speaker 1: pretty tight knit small community, very residential neighborhoods, homes, and
34:59
Speaker 1: there's a defining feature of this area is called Old
35:03
Speaker 1: Plank Trail that used to be a railroad, but they
35:07
Speaker 1: converted it into a nature walk in a bike trail,
35:10
Speaker 1: which is where they think Jerisa may have been walking. Okay,
35:14
Speaker 1: you're bringing to mind Abbey and Liberty, who went missing
35:18
Speaker 1: on a very similar trail, the Trestle Bridge in Delphi.
35:23
Speaker 1: So do you think Sydney that this was a place
35:26
Speaker 1: that she normally would go? Yes? Yes, definitely. Her mother,
35:31
Speaker 1: her sisters, even investigative cops said that all of her
35:35
Speaker 1: neighbors knew who Jericha was. She regularly walked around the
35:39
Speaker 1: neighborhood almost every single day. But they actually spent lots
35:43
Speaker 1: of time canvassing this area and came up empty handed.
35:46
Speaker 1: Every time. It breaks my heart to hear the mother
35:50
Speaker 1: speaking but I want you to hear what she tails
35:53
Speaker 1: case files Chicago. You know, her being twenty four. He said,
35:57
Speaker 1: if she doesn't want to come home, she doesn't have to.
36:00
Speaker 1: And I just kept telling him, you don't understand she
36:03
Speaker 1: would want to come home. And then of course they
36:07
Speaker 1: asked the standard questions, was there any history of domestic violence?
36:11
Speaker 1: Does she have a boyfriend? And he just told me
36:14
Speaker 1: he'll take the report and put her in a database,
36:17
Speaker 1: put a report in a file. That's what they did. Justin, Boardman,
36:21
Speaker 1: what is wrong with law enforcement when a young woman
36:24
Speaker 1: goes missing? This drives me crazy. They're like, Oh, did
36:27
Speaker 1: she have a boyfriend? She's probably taken off with a
36:30
Speaker 1: boyfriend or a lover. She just wanted time to think.
36:34
Speaker 1: Me time be asked justin, Oh, I absolutely agree with you.
36:38
Speaker 1: And we seem to fall into these ruts as law
36:44
Speaker 1: enforcement and into some of these sort of false ideas
36:51
Speaker 1: of what happens out there. You know, we sometimes get
36:56
Speaker 1: jaded because we've investigated a lot of mon sort of cases.
37:01
Speaker 1: But every case is different, and everyone needs every new
37:06
Speaker 1: case needs to have a fresh look and a fresh
37:10
Speaker 1: start and not just jumping to conclusions that you like,
37:16
Speaker 1: it's just so commonplace to suggest the woman has just
37:20
Speaker 1: taken up with a man and left town. That is
37:22
Speaker 1: not what happened with this young girl to you Sydney summer.
37:26
Speaker 1: What time me the day or night do we have
37:29
Speaker 1: her leaving the home. So that was at six o'clock?
37:32
Speaker 1: It is last time six o'clock p m. Guys. Take
37:34
Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Jackie Howard a crime online
37:37
Speaker 1: dot com. When Jerick and Laws left for her walk,
37:40
Speaker 1: the only thing she took with her was her cell phone.
37:42
Speaker 1: Her mother says that should have been their first clue.
37:45
Speaker 1: Law's large purse was still on her bed. That was
37:48
Speaker 1: strange too, because Jerick Hohoway's had a big purse everywhere
37:53
Speaker 1: we went. She had a life in a bed. Okay,
37:56
Speaker 1: inside the purse all of Law's identification. I still have
37:59
Speaker 1: a wallet. It still has the money she had in it.
38:03
Speaker 1: I did go through the wallet because I had to
38:06
Speaker 1: give the detective the current picture of her because there
38:10
Speaker 1: are different pictures. She had longer hair but had recently
38:13
Speaker 1: cut it. So her purse was here. So she's supposed
38:16
Speaker 1: to leave the mouse without any of her ID or money.
38:21
Speaker 1: Now we do have one more clue that centers around
38:25
Speaker 1: at Chipotle Mexican restaurant. Take a listen to our cut
38:28
Speaker 1: twenty two our friends from crime Online. The last person
38:31
Speaker 1: to see Jericha Laws was a male friend. He told
38:34
Speaker 1: police that the two went to dinner at a Chipotle
38:36
Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant. I was at my high school reunion when
38:40
Speaker 1: I got in. Jericho wasn't here yet from Malcolm, but
38:44
Speaker 1: she came in to say and I was downstairs, so
38:48
Speaker 1: she just when the door open. I asked who was that?
38:50
Speaker 1: She said, it's me mother. I'm bringing my purse in
38:53
Speaker 1: and I'm going for my walk. He says he dropped
38:56
Speaker 1: Laws back home because she said she was going to
38:58
Speaker 1: meet someone but didn't say who, So Malcolm dropped off
39:03
Speaker 1: at home. And later what I learned was that Malcolm
39:07
Speaker 1: stated in an interview that she told him that she
39:10
Speaker 1: was going to meet someone, but he never said that
39:14
Speaker 1: to my family, and he said she didn't say who
39:17
Speaker 1: she was going to meet. Okay, right there, Sidney Summers,
39:21
Speaker 1: Where does the Chipotle restaurant fit into the timeline? Before
39:25
Speaker 1: or after she went on the six pm walk? Jericho
39:28
Speaker 1: returned home from Chipotle with that male friend, said goodbye
39:33
Speaker 1: to her mother and that she was going to go
39:35
Speaker 1: on a walk and meet someone else, but nobody knows
39:38
Speaker 1: who where, only that she left dishes in the sink
39:45
Speaker 1: and told no one where she was going and left
39:49
Speaker 1: without any identification exactly to Sarah Ford and Justin Border.
39:54
Speaker 1: Let me start with you, Justin what should local police
39:57
Speaker 1: be doing right now? Certainly i'm local police be checking
40:02
Speaker 1: cell phone sort of stuff. They should be checking it
40:05
Speaker 1: and getting a good history of her as if like friends,
40:12
Speaker 1: people she hung out with, you know, talking about dating apps,
40:17
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. We want to go back and
40:21
Speaker 1: retrace some steps as well. When was the last time
40:26
Speaker 1: maybe she went to work, When was the last time
40:31
Speaker 1: she was seeing and then recreating with surveillance cameras if possible. Well,
40:34
Speaker 1: I know there's something at Chippotle but she was spotted
40:37
Speaker 1: by her family after Chippotla. But I agree with you
40:40
Speaker 1: Sarah Ford. We're hearing nothing about paying the phone looking
40:44
Speaker 1: at her eyicloud. Maybe her phone chext would give us
40:48
Speaker 1: an idea who she was supposed to be. If anyone
40:51
Speaker 1: our phone to give so much information about who we are,
40:54
Speaker 1: where we're going, who we're spending our time with. So
40:58
Speaker 1: certainly law enforcement and should have already done a deep
41:01
Speaker 1: dive on her phone to find out, you know, what
41:04
Speaker 1: apps was she using, you know, her her location was
41:07
Speaker 1: she did she have tracking on her phone? Um? But
41:11
Speaker 1: also you know, kind of getting back to the basics
41:14
Speaker 1: on this, you know, talking to the neighbors she saw
41:16
Speaker 1: her every day, did they notice anything different about her
41:19
Speaker 1: walk and her co workers and we talked with them, um,
41:23
Speaker 1: you know so often. Uh, you know, just in conversation
41:26
Speaker 1: me she may have mentioned something that that could have
41:29
Speaker 1: something to do with who she met up with later
41:32
Speaker 1: that night. We have a whole in the detective on
41:35
Speaker 1: the case and the whole new police keep all over
41:38
Speaker 1: again and this is the third one. But when they
41:42
Speaker 1: gave me conflicting places for where her phone pain at
41:46
Speaker 1: first they said it pay on Lincoln Highway on August sixteenth,
41:50
Speaker 1: near where she would have timed to come home, and
41:54
Speaker 1: that would have been with Malcolm right. And then I
41:57
Speaker 1: got that it pained me Valmer Road and Western so
42:03
Speaker 1: I don't know by the golf course. So I don't
42:06
Speaker 1: know where her phone like last Pam. And I asked
42:11
Speaker 1: the new detect and the new police chief and they
42:14
Speaker 1: said they would certainly check because I need to know
42:17
Speaker 1: if it was actually the sixteenth, or if it was
42:20
Speaker 1: if it was by the metro station like they said,
42:23
Speaker 1: where she would have turned with Malcolm in a car
42:26
Speaker 1: coming home, or wasn't on Western Avenue and Valmer, you know,
42:30
Speaker 1: because I got two different reports. You know, I need
42:35
Speaker 1: to know where the mystery surrounding this girl, Jericho laws
42:40
Speaker 1: has plagued the mother ever since. She goes for a
42:46
Speaker 1: walk and never comes home. Jerif is my happy, full
42:50
Speaker 1: of energy child. I mean seriously, sometimes I used to
42:54
Speaker 1: come in from work and she'd be like, hello, mother,
42:57
Speaker 1: and with all this energy, and I'm just ad as ever,
43:01
Speaker 1: she was very funny, had a sense of human who
43:04
Speaker 1: used to have us cracking up. She's just a boatload
43:07
Speaker 1: of energy, a positive young lady who loves God in
43:10
Speaker 1: the Bible, and just such a happy person all the time.
43:15
Speaker 1: Literally never a bad day. Now I have bad days,
43:18
Speaker 1: but not Jeriica. She's just always positive and full of energy.
43:24
Speaker 1: After Jericho went missing, I couldn't do anything for like
43:27
Speaker 1: nine months. My kids actually took care of me. I
43:35
Speaker 1: have depression, of course, and I was taking appeal to
43:38
Speaker 1: sleep because I couldn't sleep for anxiety depression. Concentration. I
43:50
Speaker 1: was off work for about nine or ten months and
43:53
Speaker 1: just laying in the bed. I lost a lot of weight.
43:56
Speaker 1: Then I'm heavier now than seven years. But and now
44:02
Speaker 1: I'm very Can I say depressed if you will. But
44:09
Speaker 1: I try to keep going for my children because I
44:14
Speaker 1: consider suicide and I'm a guy fearing woman. But it
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Speaker 1: hurts so bad to keep living and going when you
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Speaker 1: had something such as this happened, and my therapist knew
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Speaker 1: I was. I think she knew because she asked me
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Speaker 1: to bring my children in, who are adults. Of course,
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Speaker 1: then just hearing them talk about if they lost me
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Speaker 1: as well made me decide to live. Otherwise I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be here. I really wouldn't if it wasn't for them.
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Speaker 1: The tipline seven zero eight seven four eight four seven
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Speaker 1: zero one repeat seven zero eight seven four eight four
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Speaker 1: seven zero one Nancy Grace m Story signing off Goodbye
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Speaker 1: friend