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Ep. 77 : NL East Preview With Joe Orrico · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode seventy seven of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I am Mike Coolard from Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend Jeremy Burr, also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing tonight, buddy?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic episode seventy seven. How did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: Feels like we've been doing this for a while and
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  Speaker 3: it's still a fantastic time. So I'm looking forward tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: We are speaking on the evening of February fifth, and
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  Speaker 1: we've got another great divisional preview coming up. We've got
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  Speaker 1: the NL East tonight, so we are going to cover
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  Speaker 1: that with Joe Rico from Fangrafts and Fantasy Pros. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get into some news and notes together,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll bring Joe on after the break to
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  Speaker 1: get into NL East. It's a fascinating division. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very deep division. Just be glad that you aren't a
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  Speaker 1: Miami Marlins fan, because I think it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a little rough stretch of time. Lots of stalwarts in
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  Speaker 1: the division and lots of great fantasy prospects up and
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  Speaker 1: down throughout all those teams.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, let's get into some news and notes.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a few more signings that have hit the
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  Speaker 1: waiver the wires this past week since we talked, And
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  Speaker 1: the biggest one that we've got is Jack Flaherty returning
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  Speaker 1: to the Detroit Tigers on a two year deal, coming
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  Speaker 1: off of a pretty solid season with them, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: was moved at the deadline, even though the Tigers went
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  Speaker 1: on to win a wild card spot and get into
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Flerty was, I would say, okay down the
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  Speaker 1: stretch with the Dodgers and certainly didn't look as sharp
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  Speaker 1: as he was with the Tigers. And but when it
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  Speaker 1: all was said and done, in one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: two innings that he put up, he had a three
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  Speaker 1: seventeen ERA and third teen and seven. Certainly was a
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  Speaker 1: huge boon if you took him in drafts last year
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  Speaker 1: because he was going super late. He was a totally
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  Speaker 1: forgotten afterthought after coming off of that four ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: ear ray and twenty twenty three, not many better landing
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  Speaker 1: spots than Detroit and pitching in that stadium and the
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  Speaker 1: cold weather and getting to face some of the weakest
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  Speaker 1: offenses in the league in that Al Central. So what
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  Speaker 1: do you think here for Jack Flerty, where are you
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  Speaker 1: kind of kind of putting him roughly in your starting
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  Speaker 1: pitching ranks getting into twenty twenty five here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. This is probably one
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  Speaker 3: of the best outcomes for Flirty, And I think it's
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  Speaker 3: also a great move for him because he didn't look
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  Speaker 3: as dominant for the Dodgers, and also to put on
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  Speaker 3: a much bigger stage I think for him rebuilding value
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  Speaker 3: like he started last year was Detroit, doing that again
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  Speaker 3: this year and you know, carrying out forward again into
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  Speaker 3: potentially twenty six as well. We'll just be great. I
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  Speaker 3: think from a you know, overall rankings perspective, flarity I
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  Speaker 3: struggling with really where to put him, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: because I don't fully bought buy what he did last year.
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  Speaker 3: Also from a health perspective, he's never been, you know,
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  Speaker 3: really the guy that's gonna go out there and gets
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  Speaker 3: you thirty starts every day. So you know, if I'm
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  Speaker 3: if I'm trying to peg him, I've probably got him
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  Speaker 3: in maybe the forty to fifty range. From a starting
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  Speaker 3: pitcher perspective, you know, overall pictures probably been more in
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  Speaker 3: the sixty range. With with some upside and so, uh,
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  Speaker 3: this is probably the best landing spot. So I'll probably
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  Speaker 3: go on the on the more forgiving ranges of those.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just not fully buying what happened last year.
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  Speaker 3: There were a few warning signs. Uh, So I think
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  Speaker 3: if we see maybe a high threes or low four
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  Speaker 3: Z era, some decent wins and strikeouts, is probably where
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  Speaker 3: where we're looking to fall here. So you know, give
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  Speaker 3: me in that code, I singa Kevin Gossman, Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Brandon fat type type area. I'm not quite throwing them
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  Speaker 3: all the way down to the Spencer Aragan, the Tanner
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  Speaker 3: how Bowden, France's type of type spots yet. But I
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  Speaker 3: think he's definitely got upside, but it's gonna be capped
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  Speaker 3: overall because I think there's just enough injury risk there
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  Speaker 3: with flarity that I just I can't fully fully trust
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  Speaker 3: him for a full season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I might actually be a tick higher than you on him.
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  Speaker 1: I think I like where he's going. I think he's
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  Speaker 1: going right in the right spot in terms of Brian Wu,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Spencer Strider is there where we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit in our and I'll east discussion
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think either of us really like his
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  Speaker 1: prospects of how many innings he might be able to throw.
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  Speaker 1: He is going behind Jared Jones, which honestly, Jared Jones
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  Speaker 1: is maybe going criminally too late in drafts right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I do like him more than like the Kakuchi,
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  Speaker 1: Robbie Ray Codeai Singas because I think what Flarity also
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  Speaker 1: ran into last year is that was the most innings,
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  Speaker 1: second most innings he's ever thrown in his career behind
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  Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen season that was brilliant with one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ninety six and the third innings. I think he
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  Speaker 1: wore down at the end of the season, even twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three when he came down the stretch with Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: he got converted into like a semi reliever there for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and they didn't use him as much.
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  Speaker 1: That I think a lot of like what you saw
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  Speaker 1: with Jack Clerty going to the Dodgers was they didn't
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  Speaker 1: mess with his pitch mix a little bit, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't think was helpful to him. But I think he
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  Speaker 1: also just kind of faded because he wasn't used to
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  Speaker 1: throwing that type of volume given his injury history.
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  Speaker 2: So I love the landing spot in Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: I love the profile in terms of the strikeouts that
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  Speaker 1: he can give you and the low era and the
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  Speaker 1: low whip and yeah, it can't get better than going
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  Speaker 1: back to Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're right, and you know it's just for
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  Speaker 3: you top of the Dodgers trying to play with his
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  Speaker 3: pitch mix, like thirty is one of those guys that
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  Speaker 3: like he's got his opinion what he's gonna do, Like
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  Speaker 3: we've known this for a long time, and so if
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  Speaker 3: he's not bought in, like who else will be right?
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's got to be fully in for this work.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that party going back to Troit.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to be comfortable there and that clearly is
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  Speaker 3: shown by him returning.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Next signing that we have is future Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 1: Max Schurzer's signing a one year, fifteen and a half
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  Speaker 1: million dollar deal five hundred thousand dollars more than his
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  Speaker 1: buddy Justin Verlander to join the Toronto Blue Jays, and
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  Speaker 1: it's coming off of an injury rigual season where he
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  Speaker 1: posted his lowest K nine since twenty eleven. Last year
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  Speaker 1: as a twenty six year old with oddly the Detroit
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  Speaker 1: Tigers back in the day. Schuerzer battled shoulder and back
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  Speaker 1: issues last year when he was with the Rangers, but
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  Speaker 1: when he was on the mound it was relatively solid,
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  Speaker 1: with a three ninety five YARRA across his nine starts.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of him in Toronto?
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  Speaker 1: Because I like this pick in terms of like the
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  Speaker 1: skill set and just being able to find maybe a
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  Speaker 1: pitcher until you start taking darts later in your drafts,
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  Speaker 1: that Toronto should be a decent landing spot for Sureser
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think so It's hard to know
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  Speaker 3: what to make of last year for Suresey because he
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  Speaker 3: he never truly got built up and the biggest issue
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  Speaker 3: Sureser had last year was the velocity drop. The rest
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  Speaker 3: of the profile was relatively Max Scherzer. It's just that
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  Speaker 3: he was Max Surezer with less velocity, which means that
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  Speaker 3: he was getting hit harder and people were not swinging
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  Speaker 3: and missing the same thing they typically had been. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm tentatively optimistic, Like the price is very reasonable right now.
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  Speaker 3: It's basically late draft Max Scherzer, and when you're looking
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  Speaker 3: at a guy that doesn't walk. Many guys he you know,
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  Speaker 3: generally can control what's going he doesn't have blow ups.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think there's a lot to like here with
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  Speaker 3: Max Scherzer, and he's going to a decent team. The
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  Speaker 3: Blue Jays are not amazing by any means, but they're
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  Speaker 3: not a slouch eather, so I think that there's something
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  Speaker 3: to be said for that where he definitely can bring
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  Speaker 3: value and I'm definite only buying him at the current price,
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  Speaker 3: which I can't remember. The ADP was like hundreds, four
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  Speaker 3: hundreds or something like that, so I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: much of trust it because that's probably before he signed
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  Speaker 3: that I'm looking at.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's vacillating a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So like I'm looking at the average ADP and Draft
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  Speaker 1: champions since the beginning of January, it's an average pick
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  Speaker 1: of three seventy five, but the min pick is already
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  Speaker 1: down at two fifty five. So where he's at right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, actually by a bunch of like, you know, relievers,
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  Speaker 1: you got like Luke Weaver and Kate Smith down here,
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  Speaker 1: David Peterson's hanging out down here, Aaron Savali. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that he's going to start moving up
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  Speaker 1: boards to maybe but still a pretty reasonable price. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see him rising much beyond like pick three hundred
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  Speaker 1: level where you've got of got like the Matthew Boyd
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  Speaker 1: Eric Betty type of players, where I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: solid pick for Max Schures or that, like, especially if
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  Speaker 1: he's feeling good and can kind of those strikeouts, I
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  Speaker 1: think you'd be surprised by what you can be can
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  Speaker 1: get out of Max Suers or while he's healthy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not counting on a full healthy season, but that could
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  Speaker 1: also help happen to like there is a pathway to
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  Speaker 1: him getting to like one hundred and fifty innings because
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  Speaker 1: like the blue Jays don't necessarily care that he's on
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  Speaker 1: a one year deal. The blue Jays are going all
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  Speaker 1: in to try to get into the playoffs and keep
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  Speaker 1: Fladido around that they're gonna ride Max Sures as hard
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  Speaker 1: as they can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they absolutely will. So it'll be fun because you
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  Speaker 3: can have Sures for basically a low cost and just
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  Speaker 3: don't get over Zelus and think he is the Maxuers
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  Speaker 3: are old. But if you have your expectations in line,
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  Speaker 3: that's there's very little downside with him right now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, next deal we have is Jorge Polanco returning to
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  Speaker 1: the Seattle Mariners, and oddly it sounds like he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: play third base. This is a guy who was not
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  Speaker 1: a good second baseman or shortstop and necessarily didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: have like the arm for it, I thought. But the
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  Speaker 1: Mariners have signed him to play third base because before
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  Speaker 1: him it was Donovin Solano. This is a rough team.
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  Speaker 1: Polanco is slated to bat eighth right now in the
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  Speaker 1: lineup per roster resource. Coming off a dreadful season with
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  Speaker 1: a two thirteen two ninety six three p fifty five
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  Speaker 1: slash line. Is first season with the Mariners k rate
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  Speaker 1: ballooned up to twenty nine point two percent. We also,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you read the Mike Petrel piece
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  Speaker 1: on T Mobile Park in Seattle, but it's a really great,
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  Speaker 1: fascinating deep dive and I'll link to it in the
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  Speaker 1: show notes about like how T Mobile really increases strikeouts
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  Speaker 1: and decreases offense because of like a combination of that
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  Speaker 1: batter's eye. In the time of the day, you can't
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  Speaker 1: see it very well. But also I didn't know this
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  Speaker 1: until I read the piece that T Mobile Park is
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  Speaker 1: actually even though it's got like a dome cover, the
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  Speaker 1: dome cover is actually more of like an umbrella. It's
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  Speaker 1: still an open air stadium, and up in Seattle, it's
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  Speaker 1: actually the coldest stadium on average, so it really really
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  Speaker 1: suppresses offense for a lot of those factors, which I
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  Speaker 1: think eight Polanco alive. I guess what I'm getting to
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  Speaker 1: in the longen is is there any interest in Polanco?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm been fading the hell out of all Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Manners players across the board because it's just been proven
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  Speaker 1: that they cannot hit at home and it was already
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  Speaker 1: a week offense. And now Polonco is returning there. Do
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  Speaker 1: you see any hope of him bouncing back to what
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  Speaker 1: he used to be with the Twins?
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that's the problem is, Like you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've drafted them, I think in the past with the
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  Speaker 3: uh in actually going to twenty four, Like is a
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  Speaker 3: middle infielder thinking like, hey, if I could just squeak
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  Speaker 3: by with like maybe like a ten to ten season
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  Speaker 3: or fifteen ten season with like a two fifty average
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  Speaker 3: or two forty average, Like I just don't think that's
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  Speaker 3: that's even gonna happen, Like it seems like there's just
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  Speaker 3: no speed the averages in the tank. Like yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: did he get unlucky last year, maybe, but not really.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that's who he is now. Like he's he's
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong side of thirty. He's got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of games on him, right, He's he's been in the
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  Speaker 3: majors for over ten years, and so he's definitely even
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  Speaker 3: though he's like at the age thirty one season, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's there's just a lot of a lot of mileage
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  Speaker 3: on that. So I'm I've really got no interest in
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  Speaker 3: Polanco outside of maybe if you're in a deep league
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  Speaker 3: and you like the flex positional flexibility they might get
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  Speaker 3: you if you're trying to plug like some deep bench holes,
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  Speaker 3: but like no, like it's just it's.
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  Speaker 2: Just not there. Yeah, And even then, like it's really
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  Speaker 2: risky because if he's playing all the time and hitting
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  Speaker 2: two twenty two thirty, the way that he might do
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  Speaker 2: like that hurts if he's not giving you this tone
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  Speaker 2: basis that he used to in the past, and especially
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think people have fond memories of that
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  Speaker 2: thirty three homer season he had. It's long gone, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a couple of outfielders signing that are a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more in my waiver wire realms, So I
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  Speaker 1: want to discuss them with you and kind of see
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  Speaker 1: what you think of their prospects going to twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: because honestly, they've both been relatively useful fantasy outfielders over
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  Speaker 1: the past couple of years as plug ins just to
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  Speaker 1: be able to round out a weekly lineup, because both
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  Speaker 1: show a little bit of power, both show a little
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  Speaker 1: bit speed. First, we've got Harrison Bader signing with the
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins. Should walk into a short side platoon role
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  Speaker 1: to get plenty of center field time. But also, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we know the Minnesota Twins track record with health in
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  Speaker 1: that outfield between Byron Buxton and Trevor Larnak, and even
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  Speaker 1: Matt Walner's not necessarily been like the healthiest dude all
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  Speaker 1: the time. You also have Royce Lewis hanging around, of course,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a pretty easy pathway to more at bats
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  Speaker 1: for Bader.
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  Speaker 2: Ramon Loriano is the other routfielder I was.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about, who, if I have to be honest, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little disappointed by this landing spotform because he's going
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  Speaker 1: to Baltimore also walking into a short side platoon. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like to be to split time with either Cedric
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  Speaker 1: Mullens or Ryan O'Hearn. And this is a guy who
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  Speaker 1: really shined down the stretch for the Atlanta Braves last year.
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping that he would find a full time
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  Speaker 1: role somewhere. Also, like rip to anybody that's still drafting
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Mayo or your pick during our Al East preview
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  Speaker 1: when you went with Hespin Kirstad because michae Elias just
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  Speaker 1: hates his prospects. I won't trade them, won't play them,
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  Speaker 1: just lets them linger in the minor leagues. But if
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  Speaker 1: you had to, like pick one player to show up
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  Speaker 1: for your fantasy team and occupy a spot on your
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  Speaker 1: roster for an entire season, would you go Baiter or
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  Speaker 1: would you go Loriana?
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  Speaker 3: Do I have to like I just forced you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's a pretty easy one for me. This
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  Speaker 3: is Leriano just because he can fill the stat page
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  Speaker 3: and when he does play, he says to be useful.
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  Speaker 3: His issue has always been when he plays, not if
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  Speaker 3: he can be useful. He's a little bit streaky things
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  Speaker 3: like that, but he's the kind of guy that you
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  Speaker 3: can plug and play maybe a good lineup, uh in
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  Speaker 3: a in a good ballpark that he's going to hit
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  Speaker 3: and be pretty happy with the outcome. Bader at this
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  Speaker 3: point is like as a glove only guy and just
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  Speaker 3: he had a season or two that he kind of
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  Speaker 3: flashed a little bit of of pop and a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of speed. But it just see, he just seems
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  Speaker 3: lost at this point of the play, and so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not really interesting. You're right, like the the Baltimore landing
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  Speaker 3: spot was probably not ideal. So I'm not gonna probably
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  Speaker 3: own either of them by by any means. But if
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  Speaker 3: I had to take one, Leriano is is I think
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  Speaker 3: has the more better balanced profile that if you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: plug him play, you might get some steals, you might
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  Speaker 3: get some power. You know, there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: everything with Leriano. It's just gonna be few and far
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  Speaker 3: between the opportunities in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: R I p Heston, Yeah, I mean, in actually looking
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  Speaker 1: at the Baltimore lineup, maybe there is a little more
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  Speaker 1: light for Loreano and your boy Heston because you do
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  Speaker 1: have Ryan o'harn still sitting in that DA spot who
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  Speaker 1: the barrel rate and the hard hit rate really backed
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  Speaker 1: up on him in twenty twenty four, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: never kind of had a great like pedig, I mean
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  Speaker 1: a good pedigree, but like just not a great kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, Oh, this dude is some way we need
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  Speaker 1: to absolutely give at bats too, because he came over
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  Speaker 1: as like a waiver wire pickup from the Royals. You're
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  Speaker 1: also looking at Tyler O'Neil being there left field. That
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  Speaker 1: Tyler O'Neil, I mean, you're gonna count on an Aisle
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  Speaker 1: stent or two for a Hammi pole.
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  Speaker 2: So there's those factors.
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  Speaker 1: Plus Colton Kowser, I think, you know, is coming off
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  Speaker 1: of that injury to his wrist in the playoffs, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how that's going.
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  Speaker 2: To sort out.
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  Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins is always kind of up and down with
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  Speaker 1: this roster, so there are more opportunities than maybe I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: was giving them shrift for earlier. But yeah, I think
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I'm with you Loreano. It's just a more fascinating profile
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: because of the power that like, I think in the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: right situation, Loreano would pace for like a fifteen to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: twenty ish season. I really like the profile. It's just
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: kind of a bummer. He couldn't find a starting job
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: out there. Okay, well, let's move on to a bit
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: of card news before we move on to our NL
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: East preview. We've got i would say one pretty significant
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: piece of card news in terms of getting into twenty
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: twenty five collecting. We talked about a couple of weeks
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: ago where Tops is bringing in Barry Bonds. He's coming
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: back and we'll have autos. They've got another superstar lined
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: up to be back in twenty twenty five products, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that is Mookie Bets, who maybe people even weren't aware
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that he hasn't been signing for cards in quite some time.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: That like you, I've actually noticed this when we've been
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: doing our PC picks over the past year, that like
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: we pick a lot of non autographed Mookie Bets cards,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: but that's because there weren't any so Bets is back.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: He will be in the twenty twenty five TOPS products.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It will I think I'll still kind of maybe I'll
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: levy a little bit of the pressure on the market
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: for Bets because like some of those Prospect autos and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: early on autos when he was still signing go for
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a pretty penny, because he hasn't been signing in over
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the years. So great news if you were in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: in the market for a Bets autograph, But what do
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you think for this going forward? And yeah, are you
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: excited to win Mookie Bets wins, a Player of the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Month award or two to pick some crazy autograph card?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is actually just fantastic, Like you
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: don't recognize it. You don't realize that when you're collecting,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like some of these guys don't sign and then all
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of a sudden you're like, look, I'm like man, like, yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I've never had a chance to pull on Mookie Bets
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: or or sell one or by like you just don't
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: see him around and just like this starts to rectors
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: there like yeah, so there's gonna be a really pent
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: up demand for Mookie Bets, especially in the Dodgers uniform
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: auto cards, Like those things are going to be very,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: very collectible. I think this is actually bigger news in
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the very bonds if you if you asked me from
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: an actual active player signing cards, like, because there's something
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: maybe it's just me something of the retired players signing
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: like yeah, like they got the time of their hands
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to be able to do that. Right, whereas Mooki like
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's you know, they had to swing a pretty
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: good deal or something for Mooki to sign after all
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: these years. So I think that's really exciting, really great
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: news for the hobby.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And then let's get into that baseball release calendar. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: we do have the Big Guy coming out on February fifteenth,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Tops twenty twenty five, Series one is coming out. We're
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: gonna have a special podcast coming up. We're gonna have
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a two podcast week next week. One of them will
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: be covering Top Series one, so certainly check that out.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have the whole shi bang.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Up on ras Ball with the related posts so you
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: can see pictures of the designs as we get into
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: some of our favorite inserts and all sorts of little details.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Because this is the big release every year and it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be exciting. I'm pumped for it, mostly because I'm
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in on the designed for twenty twenty five. As we've discussed,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: after kind of being out the past couple of years.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's a great design that I think is gonna age.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Fairly well too. So brew let everybody know what else
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is coming on the calendar because we had some additions,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: some late editions from twenty twenty four, still can keeping
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: those printing presses going.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the full rundown here because you mentioned a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: series one. We got the Panini three and two coming
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: out on about a week from today. Three and two
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: is a pretty cool product if you're really into patches, relics,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: things like that. Got the Panini Prospect Edition coming out
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: later this month and select. But we also have kind
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of some holding patterns for your heritage high number, which
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: is to me a very hit or missed products, sometimes great,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: sometimes not so great. Panini Flawless and Pinian National Treasures
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: two huge products in the Panini realm. Those are absolutely
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: beautiful cards. Kind of comes down to are you a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: licensed card guy or not? And I think both of
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: those are still kind of TBD on the timing. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the other one I want to call out that just
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: came out I believe was on the twenty fifth of Ganuary,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: but we didn't really hit it previously was Diamond Icons
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: came out for tops, and I want to call this
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: out for two reasons, Like when you talk about premium products,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Diamond Icons is like one of the most premium products.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Our tops hobby boxes are roughly four thousand dollars this
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: time around, and I think you get like ten cards.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I think you get each ten card box, nine autograph
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: cards or eight autographs sulused to cut signature, and one relic.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It's kind of odd that you get the one relic
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: in verse of a normal hobby box. But they're also
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: touting a new card technology this year with diamond icons,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and they call it their liquid Silver technology, which is
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: kind of a combination of chrome and actual also like
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: three D kind of cars like multi dimensional cards, not
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: really three D, but you know, has a lot more
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: texture and depth to it and so very interesting. Please
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: don't go buy diamond icons one of those products that
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's one of those that you could probably buy.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: You know, there's only like ten cards in the set,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: probably worth more than the entire hobby box like at
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, but still a really cool,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: cool thing coming out. But it's one of those maybe
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: wait a few few years to pick up diamond icons
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of your favorite players. So lots of fun coming out
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: or just came out. But we're still trying our best
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to finish up twenty twenty four while getting into twenty
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: twenty five with Top Series one. So lots of fun
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: stuff going on the card card market and excited to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: break down Series one here before too long for you guys.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, and it is really fair. I'll
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be fascinated to see when they bring out twenty twenty
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: four Heritage High Number because obviously, I think the big
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: thing holding that back.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Is the Paul schemes of it all.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So you have to imagine he's signing a decent number
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of real one autographs for that product, and it's gonna
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: look really great on that nineteen seven five design that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Tops used, So.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: That will be I.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Think a big, big boost to the market when that hits,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: probably pretty soon after series one. I would imagine that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: once they got that on the calendar they were able
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to kind of map it out from there, because yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's full boar ahead as we get into the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five releases after series one, they should be
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: coming hot and heavy after that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, we're going to take a quick break, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: stick around because when we come back from that break,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into our NL East preview with
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Rico stick around everybody, all right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: We're going to dive right into our NL Least preview
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and to help us out with this division. This week,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we've got another great guest on. We've got Joe Urrico
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: from Fangrass and Fantasy Pros. How you doing tonight, Joe,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and welcome to the pod.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I'm doing fantastic. I really appreciate you guys bringing me
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: on tonight. Mike. It was great to get to hang
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: out with you in Arizona. I know we were having
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: some great conversations down there, so it's gonna be good
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: to kind of expand on those. It's been a while,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: but it should be a lot of fun tonight, guys.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. So let everybody know where they
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: can reach you on socials and find your work specifically
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: outside of Fangrass, Fantasy Pros or anything else you want
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to plug.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Everything I do, generally speaking, gets shared out over on
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Twitter at Joe Rico ninety nine. I have a Blue
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Sky account. I'm I'm still so like Twitter. I'm so
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: used to Twitter that I just end up posting a
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: lot of stuff on there, and then sometimes I'll be like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, I got to post the links over on
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Blue Sky, So if I do anything significant, you'll find
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the links on both. But Twitter is the best way
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: to just see those links of different podcasts that I
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: do at Fantasy Pros or any other writing I do
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: at Fangraphs. Social media is generally the best way to
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: find those.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: All right, that sounds great, Well, let's get right into
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the na least. We're going to do our normal setup
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that we've done the past few preview pods here where
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to go through each team in alphabetical order,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and for each team, we're we're going to pick one buy,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: one cell, and one prospect pick to click. So those
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: categories are kind of broad, but we're especially going to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be looking at NFBC ADP data for those buys and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: cells to try to kind of hone in on redraftees.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But like I said, you can get a little interesting
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: with your picks. None of us know what each other
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: has picked, so I think that's been one of the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: more fun parts about this preview. We're going to kick
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: off with the Atlanta Braves, who last year came just
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: shy of the division title, going eighty nine and seventy
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: three as injuries hampered them down the stretch. It was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: really fascinating how they were even able to be a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: playoff team considering the losses they sustained to the likes
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of a Kuna Strid, Austin Reiley, and others throughout that squad, So.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: They should be retooled.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Actually, fan Grafts, your fangrafs, you guys just dropped your
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: playoff odds today. Looks like the Braves are one of
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the favorites for the World Series overall. Kind of makes
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: sense when you're bringing back an MVP candidate like a Kunya.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: But we're focused on the fantasy stuff here, Joe, who
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is your buye from the Atlanta Braves?
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: So I have chosen Ozzi Alby's the returning second basement.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I mean he was there last year, but he did
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: miss a lot of time. It felt like he wasn't
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: really around only ninety nine games. But one of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: things I do at Fangrafts, the main thing I've done
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: throughout the offseason is keep tabs on the second base rankings.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Actually just updated them today if you guys want to
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: go check them out. But Ozzie Alby's is in that
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: kind of elite tier for me, and it's a position
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: where I really want to lock down an elite player
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: because second base is one of those It's not awful,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: but it's pretty pretty bad once you get out of
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: the top ten or so names. And I think with
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: all Ozzie Albi's, you're getting a guy who Ostin will
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: be healthy to begin the season, a guy who in
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: each of the past two full seasons we've seen thirty
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: three and thirteen and thirty and twenty, both of them
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: with pretty solid batting averages in the two eighty and
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: two sixty range. So I think with a full season,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: hopefully we get Acuna back. I know there's been some
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: talk about first weekend of May, there is a series
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: against the Dodgers he's targeting. So we get five months
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: of Akunya, we get Austin Riley who's going to hopefully
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: bounce back as well Matt Olson bouncing back. We have
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: to hope for a lot of bounce backs with the Braves.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: But I think if everybody is doing what they're supposed
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: to be doing, there's no reason why Albi's can't come
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: close to that one hundred and one hundred run in
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: RBI total somewhere in the thirty home run range while
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: giving you stolen bases in a pretty decent batting average.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: He's not going to hit three hundred or compete for
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the batting title, but somewhere in the two sixty range.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I really like Ozzi Alby's. He's been a big target
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: of mine in the fifth roughly the fifth round generally
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: speaking this year by ADP. That of course depends on
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: if you're playing in twelves or fifteen's, but my favorite
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: target on the braves this year is definitely going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: be Ozzie Alby's.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I like this pick. I've always been an Albi's fan.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Brew I forget.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Are you pro Albi's or anti Albi's, I just.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Because I usually have an opinion, I am pro Albi's
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I like him.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: We talk off on this podcast about how the game
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: has changed with the last few years, and you need
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: power and speed early and in a you know, fourth,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: fifth round type scenario, Alby's gives you that. I just
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: think he's been kind of like forgotten with some of
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: the injuries and in time he's missed, but like the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: after the there's like six good second basement maybe maybe five,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: depends on how you want to look at it. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: then at that point it's just like it's gone. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: so like having somebody like Alby's is a huge, huge
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: you get. And when you look at the what's around
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the ADP there, I'm like, do I want Albi's or
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Pete Alonzo? That's not that hard of a choice for me,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So I yeah, I'm very pro pro Albi's excellent.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I like it was he your pick for the buye
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: or who is your bye here?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Brew?
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: He was almost my pick. I will give him a
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: second ring. But there's a guy I absolutely love in
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: this rotation. His name starts with Spencer. It depends which
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: one you want. I'm gonna go with schwellen Back there
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: because oh, you're.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Going the other way.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You thought I was gonna go the other way. You
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: were already gonna gonna integrated me for that one. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I like, I love what Spencer Schwellenback can bring to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: the to the table. I actually look at what he
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: did last year is like what he can build upon
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of times he comes to the rookie. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: mean he he went through the miners being a roughly
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: nine to ten strikeout per per nine kind of guy. Uh,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: he was just over nine last year. In his rookie season,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: he was always in like the two walk per nine.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: That's basically where it was last year. But the big
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: difference was he was always an upper forties or even
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: mid fifties ground ball guy, and he was low forties
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: last year. And so like, I just that learning he
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: has more to go. And that's the recipe for me.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Keep them on the ground, don't put guys on, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: strike just enough to be dangerous. And then you add
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: on that Atlanta Braves factor of it all. It's I mean,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: he's I know he's still going at probably a pretty
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: high price for a second year pitcher, but I would
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: not be shocked at all if we were talking about
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: him as a top ten pitcher next year and he's
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: he's challenging in all the all those metrics. I mean,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: maybe innans cap concerns maybe at the end of the season,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: but I'm I'm all in on Schwellenbach.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this pick. I mean, I think everyone
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: all their pods. I've been listening to all of the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: stuff that I've been reading in the off season. Schwellenbach
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: is I think a big favorite for lots of people.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna continually be moving up draft boards.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: He has five pitches that are above one hundred stuff plus.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: In the sixth there's a ninety eight stuff plus slider,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: more meat on the bone. In terms of development, this
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: is a guy who is a closer for Nebraska, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: so like, yeah, all the arrows here in Strombuck, I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: think are pointing up. Joe, are you with us on
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: this Schwellenbach train?
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I am, I am. The price is the price is
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: pretty expensive. He's been progressively getting more expensive. If you
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: look on the NFBC, they have like charts if you
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: click on the player's name and you can see the
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: picks throughout the draft season and a lot of the time,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: and like November, you're seeing him in the one twenties,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: one thirties. But if you just short by the recent ADP,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: if you're looking just from even the middle of January onward,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: he's going in the mid eighties. So he's definitely getting
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: more expensive. He's becoming more fully priced. But I have
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: him right in that own right in that ranking range,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: in my own rankings of where he is going in ADP.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: He's my thirty first starting pitcher, and I mean this
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: factors in relief pitchers as well on the nfbc's ADP,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: but he's the thirty fourth pitcher overall, so we're in
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the same general ballpark. The team context is great, the strikeouts,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: good command. I think the ground balls are going to
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: becoming more Like you guys have alluded to. I think
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: he's very, very good. I just worry that where are
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: we going from here in the next six weeks. If
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: this price goes up another couple of rounds, That's what
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna have to top out. As of right now.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: This is about as much as I'm willing to pay
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: for him. But still I think he's a tremendous talent
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: with tremendous team context. If he was a seventeen game
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: winner who gave you a three to four ERA, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised at all.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like it all right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: For my buy, I'm actually, even though I was very
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: glowing there on Albi's and Schwellenbach, I've got a separate one,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and this one is a deep, deep dart throw. He
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: is going past pick six hundred his ADP since the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: beginning of the year is average pick six eighty four,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: currently slated to be the fifth starter in this rotation.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It is Ian Anderson. If you remember this guy from
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a few years ago when he made his debut, also
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: had a really hot rookie card, you know, after that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty Braves world Series run or not world Series run,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: but deep playoff run, and when he debuted during that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: shortened season. What I really like here about Ian Anderson
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of like what you've talked about,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: great ground ball rate. He's been injured, but he was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: in the minor leagues coming back last year from a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: shoulder and an elbow and finally was getting back on
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the mound through sixty eight innings across a couple of stops,
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  Speaker 1: came with a fifty one point nine percent ground ball rate.
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  Speaker 1: By all measures, it sounds like the splitter, slash change,
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  Speaker 1: whatever off speed pitch he's got there, whatever he calls
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  Speaker 1: it is just nasty as all get out. That is
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  Speaker 1: his bread and butter, and honestly, I'm a little surprised
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  Speaker 1: he never came up for the Braves last year in
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: terms of like just down the stretch needing another arm
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  Speaker 1: that he never quite.
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  Speaker 2: Made that debut in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: But I think because people, you know, he hasn't pitched
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty two, people have lost track of him.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you can get something that is like
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  Speaker 2: a kin to a.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: League averages era around four with maybe like eight K
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: nine and just a good shot at winds on the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves, I think they are going to use to
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  Speaker 1: start and given the price, I don't think you can
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: go wrong with Ian Anderson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to argue with The price is free,
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  Speaker 3: so that's that's usually a price that I like to pay,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I The only thing I have with with
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Anderson is what's the control going to be? That's really
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: what it comes down to for me.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that you look back at
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  Speaker 3: the season and go, man, how do we end up
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: with a starter that had a one point five whip Like?
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of guy that I feel like Anderson
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: could be everything else, you know, the Braves shine of
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: the of the pitching, you know, he they you know,
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  Speaker 3: he actually got consideration to pitch in the wild Card
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Series at the end of the season last year, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: clearly the Braves believe in him, so I there are
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: worse dart throws for sure at the end of your
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: rotation than a brave pitcher with with some some good
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: history and upside. I'm probably gonna stick a steer away
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: just just that time off and that control is usually
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the last thing to come back, so I'll shade away.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: But hey, at the price I don't want, you said,
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  Speaker 3: six hundred something.
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  Speaker 4: I don't mind him in a draft and hole type
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: of format for sure, And at that point you're not
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  Speaker 4: finding many players who have a chance to be viable
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: rotation arms and the six hundred to six to fifty
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  Speaker 4: type of range. So if people want to want to
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  Speaker 4: take a chance, then I don't mind it at all.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not going to look at what he did
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  Speaker 4: last time I was in the big leagues and say
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: it was terribly encouraging. But what he did last year
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: in TRIPA A was not too bad at all. It
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: was a sub for era command. Worries me a little
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: bit for sure, But at that price it is kind
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: of hard to go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to the cell side here, so
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: little time to get more negative. Joe, who is yourself?
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: So I've gone with Sean Murphy Okay, I don't hate him,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: but I think that when you look at the trends
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: over the last couple of years, they've been pretty bad.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: He has been banged up. He's that we only played
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: seventy two games last year, but we haven't really I've
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: seen that power the way it was very prevalent, especially
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: the year prior in twenty twenty three. In the first
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: half of twenty twenty three, like Sean Murphy looked fantastic,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: and then since I guess it was about August of
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, maybe even a little bit before then,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: it's been really, really rough. He's been striking out more.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: The barrel rate has gone down, the hard hit rate
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: has gone down quite a lot, from forty five to
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: thirty six, the barrel from sixteen percent to nine and
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: a half percent. I worry as he gets older and
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: he's about to be heading into his age thirty season,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: are they going to start and it's going to tie
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: in with the prospect that I like. So I might
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: have given that one away a little bit, but they're
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: kind of tied together. I think Sean Murphy will start
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: to lose playing time over the course of this season.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that if you are in a one
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: catcher league, isn't a two catcher league if he's your
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: second catcher, it's hard to hate that. But there might
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: be some people who take the chance on him in
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: a one catcher format thinking he's the Braves catcher, it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: a great lineup, et cetera, et cetera. But I just
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: think some of the trends over the last couple of
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: years have been pretty concerned At this point, I just
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: want to stay away from him altogether.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm torn on Sean Murphy. Like I can see
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: both sides of the story, like what you're saying in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: terms of like the aging curve. On the other side,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: like he did he tore that oblique literally on day
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: one of the twenty twenty four season that he dealt
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: with last year, So you.
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  Speaker 2: Can see the redemption story.
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  Speaker 4: Brew.
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  Speaker 2: What do you see for Sean Murphy going to twenty
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: twenty five.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Do you think he can bounce back to being a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: useful catcher or is this the beginning of the end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'm not gonna steal a Joe's thunder here
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: on the prospect. That was the first comment I was
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: gonna make when he was saying this is a similar concern.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: But I'll let you you take that when when we
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: get there. But yeah, I think Murphy he had his
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: best year when he first came over to Atlanta, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I think that just raised the overall sea level and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: prices for him. And now that he's kind of come
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: back to earth and then started to actually tail off,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: like this is not unexpected for a catcher in this
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: phase of his career, Like it's he's now starting to
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: go on the wrong side of thirty and he has.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It's been a few years since he's really performed. And frankly,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: he's never been great with the bat. He's you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: his best career years has been two fifty hitter with
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: twenty homers, Like that's nothing to write home about. But
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: he just had that one really good year when he
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: first came came over to Atlanta. He only got a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: one hundred eight games, he had twenty one homers and
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: people are like, oh, I can dream on this. It
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just it just hasn't held true. And that was a
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: little bit luck fueled. So I have no problem with
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: this one.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: All right, who is your cell here for Atlanta?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna stay on the same theme. We're gonna
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: go Spencer again and I'm gonna go on the other
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: side with Spencer Strider, which this has nothing to do
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: with the talent on Spencer Strider. I look very clear
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Spencer Strider is probably one of the best pitchers in
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the game. Love to see him and Paul Skens go
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: at it, but I just I don't have confidence right now,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: and what the heck the Braves are gonna do with him?
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: From a return perspective, I do think they're one of
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the best teams in the in the in the East,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and because of that, I think they're gonna be willing
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: to kind of play it slow as Strider. They've already
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: said they're gonna play it slow, and traditionally when people
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: teams say they're gonna play it slow, they played even slower.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: I think Strider wants to come back, but I just
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: don't have any confidence anywhere from April first to July
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: first of when we're going to see Strider, and it's
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: definitely baked into his price. He's the fifty third pitcher
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: going off the board. But I'll go around there and
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: take Jack Flaherty. I'll take you see Kakuchi, I'll take.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: You know, a guy like Zach Gallen kind of all
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: in the same range there that I feel like I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: know what I'm getting and you know cooler. You and
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I have been on this spot long enough that I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: always draft every hurt guy.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So Spencer Strider for your boy, yes.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: And so I'm trying my best to follow my new
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: ros resolution from last year and just stay away from
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that those questionable of guys because I think he could
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: potentially win your league if he is there day one.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I just have zero confidence that's gonna happen. So I'm
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: avoiding that just because I've I don't want to sink
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: my season before it's even started.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of my considerations too, because a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: lot of like what you said, and you look at
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: this Atlanta rotation, it goes pretty deep into the minor leagues,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: not only like the Ian Anderson as talking about, but
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Grant Holmes has been pretty solid. You still have Smith
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: shav around, Hurston Waldrip, Bryce Elder for spot starts my
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: prospect by sitting down there.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Joe, what do you think about Spencer Strider? And like
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: all of the.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Projection systems, this is what also shocks means, they're all
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: pretty much slated for him to pitch one hundred and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: fifteen to one hundred twenty innings. Are you taking the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: over under on that, Joe?
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  Speaker 4: I think they're probably roughly right, but I think it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I'd probably lean towards the under, just because you never
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: know with the uncertainty if they're going to hold him
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: back another week, another two weeks. If they start out
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: well in April, there's no need to rush them, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: it probably will start out pretty well. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: disagree with this one. I think it depends on your
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: format to some extent. If you're playing on an NFBC
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: league where you don't have an IL spot and you
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: have to just hold Spencer Stryder and you can't replace him.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: If those who aren't familiar with the NFBC, you have
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: seven bench spots and you can choose to do whatever
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: you like with them, and if you're killing one of
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: those for two months on Spencer Stryder, that's going to
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: be pretty detrimental, Especially on the NFBC when you're trying
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: to find the advantages for the weekend matchups. You're trying
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: to find a bat going into Coors or Great American Ballpark,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: it can really hinder you if you're playing in a
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: league with an IL spot and he continues to go
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: around pick one, forty one, fifty and you're getting him
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in the eighth to tenth round and you can stick
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: them on the IL. I'm doing that every single time,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and I'm hoping that when it gets to my home
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: league draft, which is one of the few that I
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: still do that has IL spots. Most of my leagues
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: are NFBC, but I'm hoping those guys haven't done the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: research and boost up around or so, because even if
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I'm paying like you know, one twenty or something like
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: that for bencer Strider, I don't really care if he
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: misses two months if he's on the IL, especially in
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: a tenor at twelve team league where you can get
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: replacement level value that's really really high off the wire.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: So it is kind of format dependent, But I don't
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: have any problem with fading a guy going into the
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: season injured. We've played the same song for many years now.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: We know how it generally works. When a guy starts
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: off the season injured. Maybe he comes back and looks great,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: but it's safer to bet against that.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: It's one thing for me to say this in the
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: pod here in February, just hit the draft table like
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be really hard when he's sitting there and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: you're looking at the rest of the options around it
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and being in. The first report out of spring training
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: is that he's throwing gas. Like right, it's gonna it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be hard to pass that up.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: So especially that report that they want him to have
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: a regular spring training but they're not going to have
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: him start the regular season, Like what is that? What
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: is that? Like?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: That was honestly that report was what actually did it
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: in for me. I'm just like, I'm not playing that game.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Totally fair.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, my cell here is actually the other
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: injured star for the Braves and it's I mean, it's
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Ronald Lacuna Junior. All day long, I cannot get on
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: board with spending a second round pick on this guy,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: who again, I mean actually, compared to what they were
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: saying glowingly about Strider, Atlanta has already said, hey, this
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: guy's not going to play at least for the first month,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: So you're already knocking off that set of played appearances.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: All the projections, and when you put him into.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: An auction calculator have him slated for like thirty five
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to forty stolen bases. I don't know if that's really
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be the route that he goes, considering he's coming
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: back from you know, the second ACL tear on the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: other knee, so both knees have been repaired.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: You're looking at on.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Top of this all, before the injury, Ronald Lacuna's profile
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: was really not looking so hot. The whiffs had kind
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of come back into his game compared to where he
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: peaked in twenty twenty three. You kind of saw some
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: regression in before that. The ISO had really taken a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: step back. The hard hit rate took a step back,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the barrel rate.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Took a step back.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And so he does all that then tears his ACL,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and I can't get on board with a second round
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: pick when you're looking at really needing to build your
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: team out at that point that you know you're passing
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: on just more solid options that you know are going
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to play and going to be able to put up
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: numbers between even Jazz Chisholm, Trey Turner, Jackson, Merrill, Catel Marte,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Austin Riley. I know there's like some names in there
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that we're not always biggest fans of, but like we're
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: not big fans of taking them in like the early
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: second round sort of thing. And so if Akunya, like
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: if it levels out to where you know you can
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: buy him for more of like a I think part
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of it is just like I'm going to be way
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: under the projections on this something more like a two
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: eighty with twenty something bombs and maybe thirty stolen bases
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: like twenty five I is more like it. That's where
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I've kind of got him because I just don't see
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: how this recover so quickly, because he's kind of got
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of hurdles to get past, not only the injury,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: but just trying to unwind whatever performance he had put
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: in and those sporty nine games before he went down.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the question ultimately with the CUNA is
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: how much how much does he run? Like yeah, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: mean he's running on like forty year old knees at
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: this point, and so he can steal seventy, he can
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: steal seven, like I would not be shocked with you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I Mean, those are both unlikely outcomes, but like that's
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's a crazy range for him here,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: and you're expecting at this point to have that. So
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I almost look at the Braves at this point and
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: be like, man, are you gonna have a full team
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: to start the season, Like there's plenty of guys, but
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: do we have Bryce Elder and Jared Kellnick or do
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: we have Spencer Strider and Ronald Acunya. Like there's a
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: wide range of outcomes here, so I'm clear that gonna
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: argue with you, or I just threw the other injured starrups,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: so no concerns here. But again, you get that draft
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: table and the Kunya in there, it's easy to dream.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: It's easy to dream.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And the other thing too is I just don't know
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: how you successfully build your team after that if you
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: don't know what range of stlee bases he is going
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to give you, you.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Know, if it's going to be high or low.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Like it, you can't kind of plan into the next
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: few rounds to say, oh, yeah, I need somebody who
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: can pop thirty stone bases or no, I can actually
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: go somebody who has a good average or has good power.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: So just lots lots of things that I just don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: like about that high pick. Okay, let's move on to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: our prospect pick to clicks, Joe, I think you allude
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: to who I might even just like kind of put
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: him in there, start penciling him in before you say it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But I will hand the floor over to you. Who
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: is your prospect pick to click? Possibly a backstep.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've gone here with Drake Baldwin, and it
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: does kind of tie into the narrative with Sean Murphy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I feel like over the course of the season there's
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: a good chance that they start to turn to Baldwin. So,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: first off, he's gonna be twenty four years old next month.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: He's not some nineteen year old that they'd have to rush.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: He's at the age where he is ready to make
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: that jump. And if you look at what he's done
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: specifically last year throughout the Miners, it's really impressive stuff.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Sixteen homers over one hundred and twenty four games. The
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: ratios are really nice, thirteen percent walk right, seventeen percent
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: strikeout right. He hit two seventy six. The WRC plus
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: was one nineteen. He's projected as an above average defensive catcher.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I just think when you're looking at a talent like
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: this up and coming when you don't really have any
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: reason to hold him down in the minors any longer.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: He's been in the miners in their system now for
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: three whole seasons. I feel like, and this might be
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: more intuition, but I have heard some people talk about
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: that there's a good chance he does come up. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: feel like Baldwin is somebody has like a late investment
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: in drafts and just pulling up his ADP. He is
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: going in re draft leagues where even is he if
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: I can pull him up here, five thirty is the ADP.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: So in those draft champions, if you're looking for like
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: a third or a fourth catcher, I think he's a
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: really nice target who you might end up getting something
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: closer to that ZIPS projection, which is one hundred and
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: five games. Zips does project more for like a whole
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: season for everybody. But if you get thirteen homers fifty
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: seven RBI in a two thirty five batting average out
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: of a catcher you take in the five thirties, not
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: to mention going into a good lineup, if if if
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: my thing breaks right here and he actually does get
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: into the starting lineup, then I think then you could
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: be looking at potentially like sixty runs sixty RBIs from him,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: So there is some risk to it, but you don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: have to pay up a whole lot in the draft
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: room for him.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: And if you look at the catchers going around him
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: in that area, Carson Kelly and Victor Carrottini, So like, yeah,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: if you need to chase a little bit of upside
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a catcher and draft and hold, I think Drake Baldwin's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a great course.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: They call that the warm body part of the draft.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it starts getting there. Who's your picker group?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I want the other spectrum definitely guy not
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: getting drafted. And I think I was really inspired by
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: our discussions last week when we went a little too deep,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and so I'm going with the starter here. I'm going
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: with D D R Fluentz. And if you haven't heard
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: of d d Or Fuentez, he's a nineteen year old
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: that has only made it to a ball and he's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: a starter with a ninety eight mile hour fastball. He
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: is a slider, splitter guy, and he just lit it
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: up last year as a nineteen year old in single
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: A h he had a thirty two percent strike up
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: k rate. He had a seven percent walk rate, which
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: theres have been questions about some of his command. And
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: so he's one of those that he signed as a
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: free agent in twenty two out of Columbia, and he's like,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: he is going to be shooting up prospect rankings. There's
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: no question about it. He is electric. He got in
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: a he actually got in seventy five innings as a
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: nineteen year old last year, which I think is something
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: really actually impressive and bringing in a two seven four
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: era while like I said, mowing down guys that here
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: are two three years older than him and Coolly, I'm
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: speaking your language. I know you like these young guys
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: at lout level. So I'm expecting high A, maybe even
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: touching a double A this year in his twenty year
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: old season. And let's be clear, it's not like he
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: just he's barely nineteen. He's he's nineteen and a half.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Like he's going to be nineteen for the majority of
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: this season. So I think he's gonna be a guy
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: we're talking about next year of that next kind of
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: great Atlanta prospect that they're going to rush through the system.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: And that's the other reason I like this. This kind
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: of pick is that it's normally a guy like this.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: You're talking three.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Four years at Atlanta, Like, we're talking to guy that
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: kind of clicks in twenty five and is actually consideration
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: in twenty six with this kind of stuff. So I'm
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: excited about him. I'm going deep a little bit more
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: than we traditionally do, but definitely a guy that should
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: be available in vast majority of leagues. And if you're
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: in a dynasty league or one of those formats late
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: in the draft, this is a great, great dart throw.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I like it. I was just clicking through adding him
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to all my watch lists.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't find me absolutely why I hate our
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: podcast at times, because I never could own these guys anymore.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm also sticking on the pitching side, and I'm
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: going with a personal kind of goober that I can
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: never quit, I don't think.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: And his roiber salinis as.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: He came up with the Braves, he signed with them
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: out of Venezuela and just showed up with crazy k
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: rates throughout the minor league. Stops big, big fastball on
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: him as well as a loud slider. The problem here
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: is that the Command's always been a little bit shaky.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: He was traded in that Sean Murphy trade with Shalan
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Eliers over to the Athletics. The Athletics couldn't quite harness
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that control. What did the Braves do in the off
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: season here? They actually claimed him back from the Athletics
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: after the A's designated him for assignment, moved him on
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to Well, no, he's not on the forty man roster
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: right now, let me check it again.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: An NRI for spring training, but not on the forty
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: man roster. We've just kind of gone through lots of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: names here in terms of like how the Braves have
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: been good at pitching development. And I also look at
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the back into that bullpen. It's a little bit of
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Riso Iglesias and a bunch of kind of setup guys
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: on that bullpen. There's not really a standout closer choice
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: behind Iglesias. Selnis does have closer stuff. It'd be great
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: if he could harness it to be able to turn
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: into a starting pitcher. But if he has to go
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to the bullpen, I think this guy becomes like a
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: really huge weapon where just loud, loud stuff, probably big walks,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: but something like a twelve plus K nine as a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: reliever that there's a couple of different ways that he
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: can go and because he got lost in that athletic system,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: totally free in Dynasty and Keeper league. So I'm gonna
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: take a dart again on my boys, Alinas.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I just want to see if you can get blow
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: seven k per nine. That's all I want to know.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: He's not with the ACE, so I think he can
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: do That's fair. All right, Well, let's move on to
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the Miami Marlins.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna be talking al Central next week,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna have the bleakest team in the league
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: coming that week. I think this is probably the second bleakest.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It is not a terribly exciting lineup. The rotation is
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: banged up, and the bullpen is rough. That like, it
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: is maybe fun to try to throw some darts at
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: some of that bullpen, but you have to remember that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: this is not a team that's going to be producing.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: To me, saves this division in the and Eleast. Probably
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: should totally steamroll with the Marlins as they continue rebuilding
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: under Peter Bendix. But with all those parameters of mine, Joe,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: who is your buy and this.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: Roster, I am going with the returning ace and cy
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Young winner Sandy al Contra. Yeah, I know that there's
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: going to be some risk. There'll be some people who
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: are avoiding him off the injury, but I would argue
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: that because he was healthy at the end of last
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: season and he wanted to pitch at the end of
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: last season. But there was there was no point. They
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: were already I think they were probably eliminated from playoff
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: contention in may Or or June, and I'm only slightly exaggerating,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: so there was no real point for the Marlins to
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: rush him back. But I think now that he has
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: had not only that time last year to recover, but
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: now an entire offseason on top of it as well,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: I think that Sandy can return, maybe not to full
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: form immediately, but let's say we even get that Zips projection,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: which is the low actually ATC is slightly lower, So
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I'll use that one one hundred and fifty three innings.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: If you get those one hundred and fifty three innings
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: of a three seven to four era, and you're getting
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: a whip in the one point one five to one
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: point two range going around pick one fifty, because that's
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: the real thing here, he's not priced like Sandy al Contra.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: His ADP over the last thirty five drafts on the
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: NFBC the Draft Champions is one hundred and sixty two.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: So at that range in the eleventh round, I'll take
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: a chance on Sandy. There's also a pretty good chance
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: he gets traded at some point just looking at the
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: trajectory of the Marlins and my god, I hate to
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: say it, but he's probably gonna be wearing Dodger blue
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: at some point in the summer. So even if he's not,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: let's say he gets traded anywhere like we had. Just
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: like you said, off the top, almost anywhere else is
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: a positive in terms of win potential. So I'll take
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: the chance on Sandy, even if that doesn't mean I'm
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: getting two hundred and twenty innings like we were kind
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: of used to there for a while. Even if it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty, I'll definitely sign
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: up with that. Where he's going, I like it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I would say the same, but I'm not, Oh no,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: you don't like him. Sandy's Sandy's myself. This is why
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: we want to do this. But it's it's for exactly
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the reasons that Joe's talking about is I think people
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: look at him and he's coming back healthy and they're
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: paying like he did expect him to be somewhat healthy.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: But I actually just don't like the profile of Sandy
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: al Katara. It's more from the lack of strikeouts perspective
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: and pitching on the Marlins. I think you make a
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: great point about a potential trade because I'm looking at
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: al Kantara here and be like, I'm happy if I
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: get eight wins out of the guy maybe and you know,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: maybe seven and a half eight strikeouts per nine. And
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's what scares me a little bit here
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: with al Katara is like he's been off for a while,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: what's gonna bounce back? But more is just the situation
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and a lot of the leagues that I'm playing, I
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: think there is league dependent here if you're talking inning
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: caps type leagues, like you got to get those strikeouts somewhere,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: and so unless you're you know, putting him with Paul Skeens,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: like he is a drag on that strikeouts, And at
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: that point in the draft, I'm not quite ready to
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: go there for a guy that I'm just not confident
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen when he's getting back. So there's like
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: two or three different strikes for me against it. But
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I was out on Elkantara regardless of the injury. I
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: was out on prior just because he was a little
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: bit too much of the artists for me and didn't
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: have that blowway stuff. On the Marlins, he gets traded
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: to the Dodgers, we can have a different conversation because
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: he can be in the bullpen and there's nowhere else
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: to pitch. But yeah, I there's this is a situation.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm more selling the Marlins than El Kantar himself,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: but I'm okay missing out on this one.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: I think those are those are totally fair points. The
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: strikeouts have always been the thing with him, Like he
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: would get the two hundred strikeouts, but it's because he
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: would pitch two hundred and twenty innings and we're not
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: going to get two hundred and twenty innings this year.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: I think the strikeouts where they were the last time
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: we saw him in twenty twenty three, dipping below twenty percent.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know that that's the true talent level. I
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: think when you look at the stuff being at one ten,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: you look at the velocity being where it is, you
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: look at the swinging strike rate being like the twelve
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: to thirteen percent range, I feel like he can be
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: in the twenty two to twenty four percent strikeout rate,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: which is not a huge difference, but it does it
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: does help out a little bit. But I don't have
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: any problem with with people fading him either, Like I
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: totally understand that side of the coin. If he doesn't
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: get traded and you end up with six wins over
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five innings, and I'm gonna feel
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: pretty stupid at the end of the year. But I
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: think the upside is high enough and the price is
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: low enough for me personally where I'm willing to take
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: the chance. Not to say I'm going to be overweight
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: to the field in terms of my shares, but a
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: couple of shares here and there, just in case, in
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: case I miss out. But I totally get the fade
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: stands as well.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's gonna be a wide distribution that on
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: that draft ADP for sure.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I liked this pick for Joe.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I think I actually lean a little bit more towards
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the buy, but it's also a little bit of the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: way I construct my teams. I mean, you just saw
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: on the braves, I just took two dudes with like
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: one point four whips, and so like, if I can
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: get Sandial Contra's whip contribution to be able to bring
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: down and absorb some of the back end, you know,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: when I'm chasing strikeouts late, especially given the way that
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: you know our RAS ball strategy of like we usually
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: kind of fade pictures early that because you got to
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: make up those k's in the back end. You got
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to find somebody who can be a stalwart for you
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: at whip, you know, to be like your number two
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: isch starter, which I think Sandy can do. But I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: see your point.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Brew.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: The point about the minimum and maximum pick though, is
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: very good because his minimum pick this year and all
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: NFBC drafts is one hundred and eight. The maximum is
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: two hundred and forty three.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: No geez. Yeah, that's a huge spread. Yeah, it's crazy. Okay, Brew,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: who's the yearby here from the from the Marlins.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, I am going with say, it was really sad
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: to say the fourth guy off the board for the
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Marlins with a pick like two seventy, and that is
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Connor Norby. I am a big Connor Norby fan. I'm
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: so disappointed that he was really let go from the
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Baltimore organization there and an ill fated trade, But I
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: think there's a ton of potential for him to be
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: a fifteen to fifteen type of guy, maybe even upside
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: on that with kind of a respectable you know, two
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: sixty two seventy average second base, third base eligibility like
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: those are both areas that definitely are not as deep
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: as they happened in the past, and so as if
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: you're going down the draft board looking for upside, this
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: is a guy that has literally nobody.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Is a way to play.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: They have every reason to give him a shot at
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: the top of the lineup and you know, score as
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: many possible runs for this team, which is probably like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: eighty max when you were playing on the Marlins. But
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I think that there is definitely a ton of upside
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: with here with Norby. I'm not gonna call him a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: breakout by any means, but definitely from a kind of
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: a sleeper perspective, it doesn't seem like he's getting appreciation
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: for what he did at the end of last season,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: and there's nothing in his profile that says he can't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: do that or more so love Connor Norby. Like I said,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give him fifteen and fifteen season, but if
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: he does twenty twenty, I'm not shocked. And at that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: two seventy EIGHTYP sign me.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Up all day. Yeah. I like this and should be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: second and third base eligible.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Yep, he should be. So we just talked about you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: know that second base, Cliff there, you miss out on
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the first five or six second basement wait till Connor Norby.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I'm perfectly fine with that.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Uh okay, Well my pick I attempted to find somebody
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: out of the top one thousand picks, couldn't quite do it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: This dude's coming in average seven fifty, which is like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: the default for like end of the draft. Like has
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: been taken in one draft this month, nine seventy ninth ranked.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: It's their backup catcher Liam Hicks because I'm buying this
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Zips line which really projects him to be able to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: take over the catcher job or honestly, first base and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: DH are also wide open as the Marlins between catcher
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: DH and first space have Nick Fortez, Jonah Bride, Griffin Co. Nine,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and then Liam Hicks, who they picked up in the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Rule five draft from the Tigers in the offseason. The
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Zips line on him is two forty eight three one
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: three thirty two over four hundred and thirty one played appearances,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: because I think Zips is picking up that this guy's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: going to get a lot of playing time for the Marlins,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and this is a great kind of catcher two option
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: if you get desperate where I mean, if you can
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: get a catcher too who just kind of is playing
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: enough at catcher to keep you going, but then picking
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: up those extra at bats at first base in DH
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, he could walk into something like a league
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: average ish batting average with that two forty eight, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: then you know, if he puts up fifty runs fifty rbi,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: that goes a long way for a catcher two in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: like a fifteen team league.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: That he was in my f paz DC.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't quite take him because I was able to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: fill catcher before that. But if you get desperate in
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: some of those really deep drafting holes and need another catcher,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I think Liam Hicks is gonna buy. Honestly, like May
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: beginning pretty much every day at bats here for the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Miami Marlins.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I like it. I like it especially because nobody's saw
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard anybody mention his name all draft season.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of drafts. I've done four Draft Champions,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: and you get into the end and you have like
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: usually three catchers. I'm thinking, well, maybe I want a fourth,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: you know, and I really want a fourth catcher. Can
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I get by with three? But the last round next
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: Draft Champions, I'm probably going with Liam.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: CKX glad to bring you hear around.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the William Hicks fan Club, because he's gonna
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: be in a lot of my like only articles and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: then up into fifteen's that catch your thing around.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun Liam Hicks summer. Okay, let's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: get back to the cells. Joe, it is your turn
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: on the cell.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: So the thing with the Marlins is it's hard to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: really sell anybody considering the prices this year.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: You know this was my problem too.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Everybody is relatively reasonably priced. They don't have a top
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: one hundred player. Heck, they don't have a top one
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty player. But the player I'm gonna be
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: fading comparatively speaking, is going to have to be Xavier Edwards.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: And it's not to say that I don't like him,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: but what the price going up the way it is,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: considering the massive lack of power to the point where
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: the bad X hasn't projected for two home runs nearly
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: six hundred played appearances, it does scream like, this is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: a huge deficiency for me. If I'm taking him, Excuse me,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: it's gonna have to be in a build where I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: have just stupid elite power and no speed, and I'm
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: really hoping to balance that out. And the thing is,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: if you do that, then you're kind of negating all
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the good you had by taking all the power bats early,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: because then you're taking a thirty home run guy with
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: Xavier Edwards. Then you get a couple of fifteen home
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: run guys might as well. So I think he has
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: the potential to do good things, but with the price
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: going up and really him only being an asset in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: the two categories, and the batting average is not going
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: to be three twenty eight again, it's projected to be somewhere,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: probably pretty decent in the two seventies. Maybe he gets
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: up to two eighty, but you're not getting any excuse me,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: you're not getting any homers, you're not getting any RBI.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: You're probably captain about seventy runs and with a top
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: one fifty pick or in that range. For me, I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: just I just don't really want to do it. I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: think I've drafted him once in twelve leagues and that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: was like what I mentioned earlier, where I just really
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: needed batting average and speed and I didn't feel great
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: about it. So he's generally a fade for me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I look at this one and you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: see Mason Win seeing there one one round later, Like
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Mason Winn could hit three hundred, he has that hit tool.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Does he going to I don't know, but like he
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: has that ability. Could he steal thirty yes? Could he
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: pop fifteen?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Like that like you're hoping for that from Xavier Edwards
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: and you know he's not gonna hit fifteen, Like he's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: the Louis Rayahs of speed. Because yeah, so I have
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: no qualms about it. It was just even seeing him
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: at one fifty, like I know I faded all Contaro,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm right there with you on Edwards too.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: All right, my cell here it's Max Meyer. I'm just
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: not in on the Max Meyer experiencing longer. Part of
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: it is like this is one of those players where
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you can scout the stat line for the minor leagues
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: and really fool yourself because he was really fantastic coming
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: through the miners, putting up gaudy k rates with you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: good control, and then he gets to the majors and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work. The caves have totally disappeared, and the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: big reason is that his big fastball just doesn't have
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: great shape and it doesn't fool major league hitterers anymore.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: On top of it all, it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Says he's listed at six foot, He's not six foot.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: From watching him pitch, this is a little tiny guy
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: where like he you can see why he's battled shoulder
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: and elbow injuries throughout his career because it takes a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: lot of effort for him to get up to that velocity.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: And I used to be in on him because I'm
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: a pretty big scout the statline guy for minor leagues,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: but he's become like a pretty good reminder for me of, hey,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: you do have to put eyes on some of these guys.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: You really need to put.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Take into a lot more of the qualitative pieces of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: prospects along with that stat line before you kind of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: fall into a whole life this. So then you add
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: in just the factor of playing for the Marlins. Honestly,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: will be lucky to reach like five or six wins
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: even over an entire season if he can hold up.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just out on the Max Meyer experience,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and even if he goes somewhere else, it's just not
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I think the picture that he's been build to be.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: I think he's an example of a guy who the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: organization just kind of ruined him all the games they've
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: played with him, back and forth, up and down. Last season,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: I was banging my head against the wall seeing these
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: guys that the Marlins were going to be starting and thinking,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: Where's Max Meyer. Where is Max Meyer? Why are they
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: doing this? They kept him down for so long, and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: his performance in minor leagues was actually kind of bad
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: in the second half of twenty twenty four. He wasn't
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: even getting minor league batters out. So as much as
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: I hate this, I have to agree with you. I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: thought Max Meyer was going to be the next big thing,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: but anywhere else but Miami. He might have been, but
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: not for the Marlins.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: I saw him pitching person at the beginning of last year,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: and he looked phenomenal. Turns out he was pitching against
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals, who looked just terrible, which been the issue.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: But like it was the same thing, like like he
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: looked great, and then like why did he not get
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: the chance to run? Why didn't they give him?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Like there.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like that happened so often in this game,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: where like you have a glimpse and that the player
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: looks like they're ready, and they're like, well, they'll still
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: be there, let me save some time, let me get
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: some service time or something like that. So yeah, I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Myers looks like he's got something and it looks like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: he's lost it.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's move on to our prospect pic to click.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Joe is who is yours here?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Somebody that they acquired last year mid season in that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: trade with Arizona, and I believe it was the AJ
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: Puck trade, but there may have been a couple of
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: trade but no, no, I do believe it was the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: AJ Puck trade. And it's Davison Della Santos, who was
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: just a monster in the minor leagues last year forty homers,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty driven in with a two ninety
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: four batting average one thirty two WRC plus. He wasn't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: quite as effective coming to Miami in the minor league.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: The strikeout rate went up a little bit, by the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: numbers were still just unbelievable across the miners. Now. The
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: thing is the if you're looking at roster resource and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: you're looking for where he is in their lineup right now,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: you're not going to find him because they currently haven't
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: projected in triple A. I don't know if I really
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: expect that to happen. Considering what he did in the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: miners last year, does he really have much else to prove?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: As much as I like Jonah Bride as like a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: late DC pick, is he really going to be the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: guy that stops you from starting a guy who was
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: just crushing the miners last year. So I think Dela
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: Santos ends up playing pretty close to what the projections
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: are calling for, and even like the smallest projection is
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: ninety four games up to one thirty six, but let's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: say he gets to that loftiest one thirty six game
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: projection twenty four homers, seventy five RBI with a two
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: fifty three batting average, and you're getting that right now
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: going around pick four hundred at a position in first
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: base that's not terribly deep. So I really like Dela Santos.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: I know I'm not digging terribly deep on the prospects here.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: He's one of the top ones, but I'm more of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: a redraft guy, so I'm taking the low hanging fruit
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: here with divison Dela Santos.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love del Santos. Brew Revi come down
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: on Dalla Santas going into twenty five.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. Like it's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: you just can't argue it, like you look what he
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: did and looked how he did it, like you can't
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: argue against it, and Arizona just clearly didn't have a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: spot to give it a chance to run. What I'm
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: intrigued with is he did play a little bit of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: third base last year, and so like, can he get
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: a little third base eligibility? Is he, you know, can
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: be able to play a few places in the diamond.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's a great defender by any means,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: but can he you know, sneak that out and if
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna do it, Marlins be a spot for it.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: But I think he's one of those ones that's gonna
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: be really fun to watch because I don't think there's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: any question that his power is gonna play down there
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: in Miami. Uh So it'll be fun to watch. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: hope he makes the team out spring.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's here? Pick to click?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I I think you know Joe's the redraft guy today.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going with the Dynasty picks today, going deep again,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going with Thomas White for the Marlins. He was
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: their thirty fifth overall pick in twenty three, and the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: competitive balance a rounds there. He is is a big
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: time arm. He was actually the Minor League pitcher of
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: the Year for the Marlins last year. He got all
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: the web to high A as a nineteen year old,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: so again a younger pitcher here, but he's been a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: very consistent, nearly thirty percent k rate guy in the miners,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: keeping the control pretty goshdarn reasonable. He you know, three
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: to four walk for nine, but that's still definitely developing
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: at that age, especially when you're getting to the high
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: A position here, and he roughively throughout his career has
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: kept the ball on the ground. So all those things
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: that I generally look for, you know, ended up across
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: two levels last year, bringing a two eight e ra
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: A across A and high A. So lots of like there,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: and there's just not a lot in front of him
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the Marlins rotation, Like yeah, we
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: got we talked about Sandy. He's not gonna be there long.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: And so I think White's gonna jump up a list
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: this year and there's gonna be a lot lot of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: folks that are be clamoring for him to get to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: get a peek, not in twenty five, but probably early
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: twenty six. So Thomas White going deep for the second
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: time in a row. I'll come back up here. We
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: get some some later picks, but definitely a guy that
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I've got my eye.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: On, all right.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: The one that I've got for my pick to click
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: here is another kind of like off season free agency
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: NRI guy. And this is Ronnie Simone, second baseman but
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: mostly utility guy who's coming.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Over from the Rays.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Where this is another kind of Bendex has got a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: whole bevy of these guys. Vidal Bruhan, who's there, He
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: already has shipped out of town, Xavier Edwards and now
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Simon of like these kind of up the middle
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: utility guys who can really spell anybody in a pinch,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: good on the bass, pass, decent batting average. And that's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: mostly why I'm going with Simone here, that you can
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: see the path where let's say you know Edwards struggles
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit, or Auto Lopez doesn't quite bounce back
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: to what he did in twenty twenty four, or there's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: any injuries. I think Simon's the first guy up to
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: be able to fill that role and like just kind
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: of keep that line going in terms of all these
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: same sort of middle infielders the Marlins seem to be
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: pumping out right now that Simon I think is going
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: to be can be a great kind of salve as
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: a utility player going into twenty twenty five in deep leagues,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: in you know, more dynasty ish situations like if you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: do need something where you've in a super crazy deep
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: dynasty and just need some depth, he'll work out there,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll only I think is another spot where I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: like Simon, but I think there's also some prospect value
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: where if you know he can put together some decent
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: stolen bases in the first half, can accrue some value
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: for you and keep your leagues and be shoppable.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: I think so. Ronnie Simon is my pick here for
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: the Miami Marlins.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: We're going deep. We're going deep with our prospects right now.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I mean it is the Miami Marlins. Get it's not
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: exactly named brands here. I think last week I just
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: picked the number one prospect for like all the teams,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: So we're just covering our bases.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's move on to the New York Mets,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: who have had quite the offseason, obviously bringing in Juan
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Soto coming off of a season in twenty twenty four
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in which they went to the NLCS powered by Grimace
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of devil magic. I think this team
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: is going to be pretty dangerous getting to twenty twenty five,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: as I don't think they're also done buying, because they
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: do have some holes in the back end of their
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: lineup and the back end of their rotation. But with
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: all those thoughts in mind, Joe, who's your buye here
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: for the New York Mets.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going with somebody from the back end of that rotation.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: My choice is David Peterson. This was my pick too,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: pick Yes, there we go beautiful. So I think with
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Peterson over the last couple of years before twenty twenty four,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: he had shown some incredible flashes intos of strikeouts twenty
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: seven p per twenty six percent. Last year that went
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: all the way down below twenty percent, so you'd probably
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: think he had a horrible time of it, but he didn't.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: He had a two to nine era. The whip was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: a bit high at one two nine, although it was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: much lower than he had been, but it was a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: pretty successful season for him even without those strikeouts. On
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: the surface, when I look at especially things like swinging
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: strike rate, which I really really like to look at,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: it fell a little bit. It went from twelve point
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: three percent to eleven percent, but that doesn't indicate that
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: his strikeout rate should have dropped by seven points. If
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: you look at the projections, generally they have him gone
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: back to that twenty two percent strikeout rate range, and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of them are projecting a sub four era
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: with a whip somewhere in that one to three range.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna love that one to three whip, but
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: you're getting a guy who should be pitching for a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: good team you can project double digit wins. Was somewhere
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: in the four range, hopefully a little bit lower. And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: I'm also hoping for those strikeouts to bounce back to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: where they had been for the majority of his career
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: when you look at the fact that he's not going
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: off the board until pick three seventy one on average.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: I've been drafting a lot of days with Peterson in
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: the hope that we can get some more strikeouts in
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think those are a lot of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: my same thoughts there too. And honestly, he morphed into
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: a much better pitcher down the stretch, you know, in
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: the second half in seventy seven and a third innings
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: he put up in K nine that went over eight.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: The era was two seventy nine supported by a three
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: eighteen fip there and even though you rattled off like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the one three whip that the projection's having for it,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's where he's gonna be. It
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: seemed like last year, you know, he was rounding into
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: a much better pitcher. You have Jose Serians in her
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: field now chucking down balls and I do think that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: we're looking at somebody who with just a great five
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: pitch mix, has finally harnessed that arsenal. And given the price,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I think you're putting him on this roster too. I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: think Peterson could be a sneaky guy for you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: twelve ish wins going into this season, and especially given
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: that price, you can't beat it.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: One last thing with him is that he threw on
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: the first pitch sixty three point seven percent strikes and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: the walk rate was below ten percent for the first
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: time in his career. So love those things put together.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, brew are you meaning on
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: the David Peterson train.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've liked Peterson the past. The problem with Peterson's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: they just haven't let him run. They haven't give him
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: the chance.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: And so he's always been that guy that like you
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: pick up off the waiver wire and just like you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: start him for like a two start week and then
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: they just demote him or send it to the bullpen, or
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: do something funny. You're like, come on, like this. He
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: never seems to blow up on you. He never seems
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: to be that kind of guy that's gonna really cause
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: you problems. He's also not gonna just blow you away,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: like he is just solid, and that's there is so
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: much value to that. So I think the great picks.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: I do think you're right the k rate last year
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: is gonna scare some folks away, and you're not really
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: paying much for if that. If that is the case,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: like that, you're not giving something up here. But there's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: definitely upside and there's definitely a guy that can handle
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: a big workload, which is very valuable. So I got
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: no calls with you guys here.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Nice who's her buy in the Mets?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I thought you guys were gonna go with the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: same spot I was when you said back into the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Mets rotation. But maybe I'm going in the middle. I'm
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: going with the guy going slightly higher in Clay Holmes.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: And when I first started looking at Holmes, I was like, yeah,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be out, like the transition of the reliever
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: to starter, like is it going to work out? And
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: the more I looked at him, like he has a
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: starter profile. He has a good three pitch mix. I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: wish he had more fastball than just using the sinker,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: but he has a good three pitch mix. He has
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: good control. He was never the reliever that just like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: blew you away and had crazy like control issues. And
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: that's why he was successful. Like he was successful because
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: he was reliable and he was able to work around
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: the hits. He was able to take care of things.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: And what just blows me away with Holmes is his
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: ground ball rate is just absolutely unbelievable. It is if
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: you look at if you look at Savant, he has
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: the one hundredth percentile for a ground ball rate. His
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: ground ball rate is mid sixties. Like that's just uncanny.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: And so what I love about that for a guy
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: at this point, Like, yeah, I think there's some maybe
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: some Indians concerns, like because he's got to get that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: built up. He is just not gonna law up on you.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna be Homer prone, even though he does
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: tend to let the ball get in the air a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: little bit more like from a home run perspective, when
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: it does get in the air, it does tend to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more risky. But overall, I think
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: the price is right and I'm just shocked that people
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: are not that he is not getting some like helium
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: moving up draft boards after that signing. I expected him
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: to be going higher. So I'm gonna be taking some
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: some flyers with Clay Holmes because I just think the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: floor is pretty high at this point. The ceiling is
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: not necessarily high either. But it's kind of the same
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: argument with Peterson. I think you end up getting a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: lot that you like out of it, and he's gonna
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: kind of fly under the radar for a pretty good team.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I like it, and yeah, just
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: another good cheap pitcher. Can't beat those. Okay, move on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: to ourselves here, Joe, who is yourself from the Mets?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: It's a spicy one, mister Wan Soto, Okay, Okay, So
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: it's more so in the con I don't think he's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: gonna be bad. It's not like I think Wan Soto
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: is gonna just bought him out and hit seven home
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: runs this year or something. But in the context of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: you're paying a top five or seven pick for him,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of data. First year, big brand new contract,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of guys. Maybe they take the foot off
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: the gas, maybe there's some other things that go into it,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: but a lot of the time they have a bit
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: of a disappointing season. We saw it with Lindora New
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: York a couple of years ago, Trey Turner first year
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: in Philly. It is countless examples. It's nothing I can
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: look at really in the profile to say Wan Soto
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: is bad, or Wan Soto is this, Wan Soto is that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: But when I'm looking at the rest of the first round, specifically,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: like the top picks there, I'd rather take Corbyn Carroll,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: I'd rather take Fernando Tattoos. I'd probably rather take Mookie Betts,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: not generally a picture in the first round guy. So
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: that's not really the way I would go, But I
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: could see myself going with Scooble over him. I think
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: he's probably he deserves to go in the first round,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: and there will be people who think, Joe, you're you're
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: absolutely crazy, but I think he's more so like thirteen
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: to fifteen range as opposed to the seven or eight pick.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: You need to spend on him, which could be argued
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: as semantics. But in the first round, if I get
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: a mid first round pick, I'm not really taking one.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not really wanting to take one. Soda. If it's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: obp that's a different story. But in a standard five
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: by five league. I think Sodo more belongs at the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: back end of the first round.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't think it's anything against Sodo. I think
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: it's the key thing here. It's the fact that he
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: doesn't have speed, Like that's the big thing for me
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: in that first round. Like if you leave that first
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: round without speed, I agree with the new the new face,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: the new team, but I can't leave the first round
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: without speed right now. I just can't see doing that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: because later you're buying Xavier Edwards and that's not a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: recipe for success. So I got no qualms with it.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: I think people get scared when he's like, oh, you're
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: selling the first round. I know I sold one last
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: last week. And it's just like when you're selling the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: first round or like you are setting the tone for
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: your entire season. You need to be comfortable and confident
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: in that pick.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: Agree leaving Yankee Stadium as well with that short portion, right,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: like there are certain things you can point to. Is
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: that they and again like he's not bad. He is.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: He's still a brilliant, brilliant probably a Hall of Fame
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: baseball player. But like I said, I've done twelve drafts
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: and I haven't taken him even once, so maybe that's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: just a me thing, but just not in the not
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: in the Wan Soto business this season. Maybe next year
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: if he's a second rounder. But we'll see.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Come to cards and categories for
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: hot takes from Joey Rico won Soto. Not bad, bru.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Who's your cell here on the Mets?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Cool?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: You already know my my selling the Mets, but it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be a spicy cell, but
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: I feel vindicated right now, and so I'm selling Mark Fientto's.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: I look Vento's his ADPs in the in the nineties,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: and you know, I wrote him up this past weekend
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: as a postential bust. And really where it comes from
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: is he's got one of the highest harmeworm for fly
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: ball rates in the league. Only two guys hiring him
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: are Judge and Otani. And he does have a profile
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: that can do that, don't get me wrong, but there's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: got to be some regression there. And the other problem
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: with him is, like the blueprint to get rid of
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Vento's if you're a picture is like clear as day.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: The stuff that moves horizontally, he can't hit like we're
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: talking like Sarriatto from Major League here, like he does not,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Like he's hitting below two hundred on like your sliders,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: your sweepers, all of that stuff is just something he
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: knows how to handle until he fixes that. Like I'm
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: going up, there's a picture and I'm just throwing your
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: slider after slider slider. He doesn't. He's chasing all of it.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: He's not doing the right thing with it. And the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: other problem is, like I look at the draft board
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: around him, and I'm like, do I want that risk
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: with just this really big power upside? Or do I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: want Junior Camanio, Jordan Westberg? Do Like do I want
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: to go with a Matt McClain, Do I want to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: go with a Marcus Simeon? Like there's so many other
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: guys around there that I feel so much more confident
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: in that Viento's has a short track record and there's
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: like some clear like if I feel like I can
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: strike Vento's out, that's probably not the kind of guy
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: that I want to draft. He can probably handle the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: fifty mile hour fastball, but it's it's definitely a guy
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: for me that I am. I'm fading pretty hard, and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: I know, I know there's a lot of lovers out
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: there for Vento's, but it's it's I just.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Don't see it. Yeah, I think it's fairy.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: I think he is his prices pushed up by third
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: base being so thin, and then part of it is, Yeah,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I am just really scared about like what this adjustment
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: year looks like for Mark Vento's because I think it
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: could be frustrating. And that two sixty six batting average
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: was probably a career high. I just don't see that
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: coming back, Like how was he going in front of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Junior Camaniro. But that's what I don't know.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna happen for too many Moneys.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: But my devil's advocate argument there would be that cam
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: and Aro hasn't done it yet and Vianto's just hit
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: almost thirty, Like like yep a canon Aro, Like you're
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: hoping camon Arow does this year what Vano's did last year,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: as much as it might have been a bit of
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: a mirage, Like I think there's bottom out potential with
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Danto's too, he could hit two twenty. But I also
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: think that the home the power is pretty secure. But
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: just that the swing and miss is just so severe. Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I took him a couple of times in early draft rooms,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: but inside of the top of a hundred, it is
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a tough choice.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just don't feel right, dude, I think, I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: think is the problem. Like you feel little feel a
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: little gross afterwards.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right myself, this pains me horribly because I
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: love this dude and he drove me to a lot
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: of success last year. My cell is Sean Manaya. I
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: love him, I love the profile, I love what he
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: can offer you. I buy into the projections. The problem
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: is the projections are not what his price is right
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: now in drafts. You know he's going right now around
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: pick one eighty ish. I mean, this is a guy
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: who I was suggesting to pick last year when he
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: was you know, down and pick three hundred. So like
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: that's when I love like being able to get somebody
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: like Manya.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: But like, given he's coming off of.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty one in two thirds innings plus
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: the playoff run, that's a career high.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: You're also looking at he.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Found that new arm slot last year, and you know
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: it worked for him. But whenever you're talking new armslots,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: you're talking more injury risk or already has been injured,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: because like he's finding a lower slot, and so I'm
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: just worried that, like if you're kind of counting on
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: some sourt of stability from Mania the way that you
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: know people are right now in drafts, he's going, you know,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: right next to guys i'd rather take in terms of
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: like zach Eflynn and Seth Lugo, because that is when
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: you want to take that kind of like one hundred
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: and eighty innings stalwart. I'm just not sure that you're
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: barking up the right tree if you're taking Seohn Andya that.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I love the dude, but this is just way too
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: rich of a price. If he does fall back to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: where like you can buy him as projections in terms
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, nine K nine and around like a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, late or upper threes, right, then I'm back in.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: But this is just too rich of a price. As
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: people kind of have really honed in on seeing what
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Manya did last year and thinking that he can just
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: copy and paste it.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think he got very lucky the babbit,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: being that love was probably not going to happen again
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: in the two forty five range. His babbob is usually
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: fairly controlled, but that was an outlier, stranding even seventy
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: five percent of base runners. He hasn't been able to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: do that the last couple of seasons. I think it
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: was a bit of an outlier. I've dated my starting
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: pitcher rankings before we started going tonight, and he's at
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: seventy five for me, So yeah, he's I'm not landing
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: him anywhere.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Yep, I totally agree.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get on to our prospect picks to click, Joe,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: who is your pick here?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: I am going with little Akunya, with Luis Anhelunya here.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: He's not getting a lot of buzz in drafts, which
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: I understand, but I also don't like. We're not one
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: hundred percent sure where he is going to play at
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: this point in time. But as Jeff McNeil at this
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: point still going to be an everyday player, that's kind
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: of what I'm thinking. Maybe McNeil gets moved out, maybe
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: they put Akunya in there at second base, or do
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: a little bit of shuffling around the infield. He only
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: had fourteen games last season, and it's hard to really
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: draw much from fourteen game sample size, but he had
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: three home runs, headed three oh eight one to sixty
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: six WRC, plus he was barreling the ball up at
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: a nine percent rate. He is an Akunya, so he
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: comes by it honestly, and I think that honestly. If
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: you're looking at the draft price this season, I get it.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: But the potential there when you're talking about pick four hundred,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: roughly pick four hundred three to ninety seven with a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: range of three sixteen to four thirty seven, that's where
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: I'll take a shot on a player with this kind
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: of pedigree, with these kinds of tools, who has a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: like incredible speed. He stole fifty seven bases in the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: minors in twenty twenty three. This guy has decent power.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I think he can hit for an OK batting average.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Like there's a lot there to really like, and I
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: think that the talent will probably win out even if
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: it doesn't come to the second half of the season.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a great pick.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: You look at what's in front of him. You mentioned
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Jeff McNeil, but he also complained in the outfields he
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: could potentially play third base. So it's like Jose Siri
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Brett Benbi like, there's not it's there's multiple spots and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: opportunity there. And you're right, I think it's the speed
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: here that's you know something, Come I am, I'm just
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: I'm actually very surprised he's not going higher because of
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: simply the name. Maybe maybe it's like the injury bug
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: is rubbing off or something. I don't know, but it's
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: it's it is surprising. So I like this pick.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And unlike Xavier Edwards, non zero power, like I
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: think Acuno can hit not you know, eight to ten
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: homers every year to add to those bags where he
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: he's detrimental, but he's not absolutely killing you in that category.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Crew, who's your pick to click on the Mets?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I've been I've been going on now on the
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: pitching ground, and I'm gonna keep going with all my
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: prospects here, and I'm gonna go with a much high,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: much higher, much more known pitcher in Brandon Sprout. Sprout's
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: the the the the best pitching prospect in that Mets
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: system in my opinion, And you know, I think he's
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: a guy that I would not be shocked to see
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: fifteen starts out of this year. Just looking at that
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Mets rotation like they're they've got plenty of pictures, but like,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: there's not a single guy that doesn't have a question mark,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: even Clay Holmes, who I just espouse, David Peterson, who
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: you guys espoused, Like, there are still questions with almost
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: every single one of those guys. And so you know, Sprout,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: he's he's going into his twenty four year old season,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: so you know, there's nothing.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Else to prove.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: He spent the majority of time at Double A and
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: Triple A last year. He did struggle a little bit
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: at Triple A, but you know, he's he's a guy
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: that definitely is a swing and miss kind of guy.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: He can pill put over one hundred mile an hour
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: and he generally has some control over it. It's not
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: perfect by any means, but he definitely has hit and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: missed kind of stuff. So if he gets fifteen twenty
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: starts in a strong lineup, I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: He's kind of a guy that you know, ends up
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: being mid rotation material and he just kind of learned
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: on the job. So I think Sprout's a great dart
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: throw late and late in the rounds because he's not
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: gonna have a spot coming out of the spring, but
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: one or two injuries that that's rotation or somebody like
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: a you know, a Manaia just kind of needing a break,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: not doing what he needs to do. I think Sprouts
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: can get a few spot starts and take advantage of it.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: So yep, he's he's my guy going forward, and I
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna click, and I think he's gonna be
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: a stalwart in that rotation long term.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: This rotation has a potential to be pretty ugly this
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: season if things don't work out, like he might make
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: twenty five starts. I mean when you're looking at Manaya,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: you're looking at Manaia as your projected ace. That's a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: tough one. That's a tough one.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like every single guy in this rotation has
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: like a twenty five to fifty chance of getting injured.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: And so that what let's do the math here, means
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: two and fifty percent chance that somebody gets injured in
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: that five man like and you're you know, six guys,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: Paul Blackburn like, it's there's just not much standing in
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: his way. So I'm excited about.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Him total post.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean a lot of what you just said.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: I think you can put on the dude that I'm
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: going to pick here, I'm picking the other prospect arm
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: Jonah Toong that you know, if you're in a league
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: where uh Brandon Sprote is maybe already owned because he's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: the number one Mets prospect, I think you can go
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit down that list pick up Jonah Tong
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: who got up to double A last year. And I
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: think Joe you highlighted this. This is not a great
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: rotation and Eveven if they you know, I think part
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: of the reason maybe they're not spending on it is
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: because they know that they've got these guys coming through
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: the miners, and I think that the Mets are in
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: process of kind of trying to build a Dodgers like
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: pitching factory and keep up with them. And so you know,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: not only do you have Tyler McGill down there projected
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: open the miners, but you got sprot you got Tidwell,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: and then I think Tong can make the jump this year,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: especially as the Mets want to be competitive, They're gonna
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: throw everything they can at this and really use every
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: bullet that they can in the bullpen. Tong, like I said,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: he's a couple of rungs down from sprote, but came
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: off a great year in which he threw a three
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: or three erra across one hundred and thirteen innings with
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: double A and high A. So that is really like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: the factors. You know, he hasn't gotten a big taste
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: of the upper majors, but or the upper miners. But
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: this is a guy who all of the prospect reports
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: are pretty glowing on the fastball, slider, curveball, change up
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: combo and then even like the command grade is a
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: little low, but I mean he was able to keep
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: the walk rate just around ten percent last year in
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: the miners. You know, if he can shave that down
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: or even keep it at ten percent, I think he
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: can still you know, be able to manage in the majors.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: So h to Jonah Toong here is my pick.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: All the same reasons, right, It's that that rotation is scary.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: I think Tong has a lot uh is a little
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: bit riskier profile, but also has probably actually has a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: little bit more upside if you want to really project,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: then even Sprout does. But like at wider variational potential outcomes.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to the Philadelphia Phillies, who won
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: this division last year and are pretty much just running
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: it back from a team perspective.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Plus Jesus So they added.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Hazyus Losardo in the off season here and otherwise it's
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: pretty similar up and down.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: You know, they continue to.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Build out some of their platoons, with Max Kepler joining
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: up with this team and Jordan Romano our buddy, your buddy,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Joe Rico from the North coming down to close here
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Phillies is what it's looking like.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: But I think they're going to be right in the mix.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Again for this division and should be slated at least
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: for a playoff spot, because this is quite the super
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: team going forward in Philadelphia. All those caveats, all that
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: set up, Joe, who is your bye on the Phillies.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: First off, I'll say it's kind of funny that Toronto
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: and Philadelphia kind of essentially traded injured relievers because Toronto
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: didn't want Romano because he was hurt, Philadelphia didn't want
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: Hoffman because he was hurt, and then he failed a
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: couple of other physicals and both teams just said, all right, sure,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: let's make the swap, So I don't know how much
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: I trust either of them, probably but as far as
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: I could throw them. But getting back to my by
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: choice here, it's going to be JT. Real Mudo, and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people at this point just
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: assume he's cooked, and there's a chance heading into his
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: age thirty four season, before he steps on a major
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: league diamond in a regular season game again, he'll be
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: thirty four. And I think if you look at the
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: stolen bases, you look at the fact that he missed
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: time last year, you could look at that profile and say, yeah,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: I want to kind of avoid JT. Real Mudo, But
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: the underlying data was still very good. Ten percent barrel rate,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: forty six percent hard hit rate. You might say, yeah,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: he's still two bases in ninety nine games, so that
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: part of his game is probably gone, and there's a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: chance that he just doesn't steal as much to try
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: and maintain his health as he gets older. But he
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: stolls a seventy ninth percentile sprint speed. That's pretty incredible
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: for anybody, but for a catcher heading into his age
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: thirty four season, that's very very good. So I do
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: buy the projection. Saying that he can get back into
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: the seven to nine or ten steel range. He is
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: a batting average asset, especially compared to the rest of
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: the catcher field. He's in a great lineup, and I've
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: heard some people say that, well, he's gonna lose playing time,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: They're not gonna play him as much. Garrett Stubbs might
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: get the odd game here and there, but who's kidding who?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: Garrett Stubbs had a sixty three WRC plus last year.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: He's not taken over a JT. Real Mudo's job. So
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: I think the playing time is secure, the lineup is secure,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: and I think the performance is that of a top
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: ten catcher who is not currently being drafted as a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: top ten catcher. If you're looking just by ADP, he's
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: going actually, no, I misspoke. He is actually the tenth
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: catcher by ADP. But I think that he should be
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: probably in that seven or eight range, and I'm going
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: to be probably reaching a round or so to get
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: him in the upcoming two catcher drafts in particular.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it that, Like I think, you know,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: it was also an injury riddled season for him, that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, if he gets better health, I think he
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: can get back to that upper echelon of catchers.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: If you just simply look at the twenty twenty one
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: through twenty twenty three versions of Real Mouso and then
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: look at twenty twenty four like this, if you just
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: project the games that he missed for another thirty forty games,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: it's the exact same stelete, like nothing, nothing really changed.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, he's being drafted probably probably arguably five spots
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: lower than he had been. He may have been too
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: high previously, but yeah, I have no qualms that you
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: look at it and go. I actually had him and
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: tried to trade in this offseason a dynasty league, and
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: nobody had any interest in the guy like I could.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: I couldn't pawn him off for free. But I think
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: he's he's going to be a cheap catcher, which is
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: very odd.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's here?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: Bye here brew Well, Joe did a great job of
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: the intro for this one, And I'm going to do
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: my buy and self at the same time, because if
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: I do my buy, you know who my cell is.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: And I'm buying Oryan kirkeran uh for for the Phillies here.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: He is the best arm in that bullpen. There is
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: no if answer butts about it. He just absolutely lights
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: lights things up. He is in the top twentieth percentile
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: in pretty much every stat rate from a pitching perspective,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: and he has had no problem. You know, he came
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: up a few years ago, like in the playoff time
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: for him just like everybody, Oh, this is the future,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: future closer and he he is, He still is. He
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: had a two twenty nine ERA last year, struck out
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: seventy four guys in sixty three innings. And you know,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: the for anybody listening that wants to know the comp
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: that excites excites everybody. One of the most similar pictures
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: to Kirkering over on Savant is Paul Skins. So Paul
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: Skans in the bullpen, let's let's run it back. Let's
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: ignore the comp for Gregory Sota right next to it.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: This little bias here, But I think he can absolutely run.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: And I just don't think Jordan Romano is going to
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: be healthy. Like I just like it's been like a
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: year and a half now that like we don't know
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: if he can walk type of thing. So I just
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: don't believe. I think Romano has the job to start
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: because they brought him in, but I think Kirk Koreen
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: ends up with more than half of the saves on this.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Team this season.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Totally fair. I'm really confusing the whole Romano saga. Like
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: you figure Toronto. He's from Toronto too, He's from just
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: a suburb just north of Toronto. You'd figure they'd want
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: to keep him around, like he's the hometown boy. They
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: have this whole closer entrance, the way that every team
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: has a closer entrance. Now if they let him go,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: my initial thought process, so there must be something really
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: wrong with him, and then a more intelligent organization offers
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: him the same amount of money Toronto would have had
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: to offer him. So I don't know what to make
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: of it. I really don't, but I'm leaning towards investing
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: in Kirkering as a little bit of a later option,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: maybe even Jose Alvarado if he's cheap enough, just because
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: I don't trust Romano.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you hit the name on the head,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: like when we talked about selling Romano. It is like
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: when you look at that team that actually says like
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: I have zero interest in you and I don't even
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: want to try to trade you like that that is scary.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: They just they literally just let him walk and so
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: clearly they have zero excitement. And then they signed Jeff Hoffman, Like,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: so what do they know that nobody else does, or
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: maybe just that Philadelphia doesn't.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: So I'm Toronto just knows nothing.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: That's very very true, very very true. Alright, Cooly, what
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: about you.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm doing this because I've never been
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: in on this guy, but like when I saw him
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: where he's going in drafts, it's just perplexing how late
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: he's going this year.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: It's Aaron Nola. I've never been in on Aaron.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Nola because it's usually like a volume based one hundred
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: and ninety innings of like a nine k per nine.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: The ra came back last year to where it should be.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I mean that twenty twenty three is just kind of
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: like a blip when you look at everything that kind
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: of happened, and the left on base percentage was awful.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I think that Phillies defense really failed him in twenty
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: twenty three, but they shorted.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Up a little bit better last year.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: The babbit actually went up, but you know, the left
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: on base percentage got back to a little bit more
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: of like an Aaron Nola level allowed him to put
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: up that three to fifty seven era just an our
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: player raider projecting going forward for twenty twenty five, he's
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: the fifty seventh player, and in drafts right now he's
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: going as like the eighty fourth player off the board.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: So there's a huge gap in terms of just like
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: straight dollars. That like is really perplexing for somebody like
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Aaron Nolan. I think it is that a combination of
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: people who had maybe owned him and finally bought in
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: on that twenty twenty three season bad taste in their
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: mouth have kind of settled into Nola being what he
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: is and not having anything extra. But given especially the
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: state of pitching nowadays in terms of you just coming
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: up with the nine pitchers to get into a standard
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: rod starting spot like is really tough. And if you
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: can pencil somebody in every week, like Aaron Nola on
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: a good team who should give you mid teens wins,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: this is maybe the first year I'm going to end
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: up with any Aaron Nola shares kind of like on
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: my teams where I'm gonna actually like he's going to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: fall far enough where he also gives you enough volume
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: where you can kind of count on him as a
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: number one if you need him to be, buy him
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: as like a number two, but you can maybe slate
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: him in as you're number one going forward, because there
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: just aren't very many pictures out there doing this level
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: of volume. The way Eron Nola has been, I.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Don't know what to make of him. There's the stupid
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: funny argument of every other year Aaron Nola looks good
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: and then he looks terrible, the odds and the even years,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: and we're heading up into an odd year which is
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: historically not been good for him, And I know that's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: that's rubbish, but at the same time, it's what he's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: done every year going back to twenty eighteen. He's kind
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: of alternated these good and bad years. Now To get
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: to something a little more analytical, the strikeout, right, if
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: you go back every year from twenty twenty, it's fallen
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: every single year now, not drastically, but just from thirty
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: three to thirty to twenty nine, to twenty five and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: a half to twenty four. So I wonder if he
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: can still be counted on as an above average source
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: of strikeouts, or if we're going to see him take
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: another dip. But concerning the team context and the volume
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: he provides, I agree that considering the price has fallen
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: this year, this is the time to kind of jump
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: in with him.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's very dependent on the format, because you
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: have the point about the strikeouts. The thing he does
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: do is he pitches a lot of innings. You know,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: he's you can look back and basically every year he's
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: two hundred strikeouts and you can just take into the bank.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: And so if you're in some of those leagues that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: you are trying to get like there's not innings caps
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: and you're just trying to get volume through, especially like
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: maybe a set of weekly lineup type league, this is
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: really a great profile to have in there because you
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: just know you're gonna get six, seven, maybe eight Indians
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: every single time he goes out there. And so even
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: if the strikeouts aren't top tier, he gets you the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: same number of strikeouts and he going to go deep
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: and get wins things like that. So I'm very interested
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: in those types of formats, maybe a little less so
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: in some of the formats where you have caps or
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: things like that. So it's interesting to talk about Aaron
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Nola at this kind of point. So I'm glad Mike
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: that you're finally buying him and we'll go to bat
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: the next auction.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, we really will see you there. Okay, Joe, who
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: is your cell on the Phillies?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: So I had listed too because I had a feeling
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: that one of them was going to be taken, and
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: he was, but was Jordan Ramana was listed as one
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: of them. So I'm going to go to my alternate option,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: which is not going to be popular. But I am
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: more on the fade side with Zach Wheeler, especially considering
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: his price at this point. Top twenty pick for a
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: guy heading into his age thirty five season who has
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: been a little bit charmed in terms of the injury
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: luck to this point. You know, two hundred hundred ninety
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty three, two thirteen one to ninety five,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: he's kind of been able to dodge those bullets when
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of pictures around him generally haven't been. And
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: I think, considering the advanced age combined with the advanced
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: price this year, like he is the fourth pitcher off
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: the board and number one, I mean it's Otani, so
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: technically he's the third pitcher off the board. I just
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: don't want to take a picture in the second round.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: And if I am going to take a picture in
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: the second round, it's probably gonna be somebody young and
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: on the upturn, like a Garrett Crochet. Maybe, you know,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: maybe I take a chance on Logan Gilbert, but I
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: just can't can't see myself spending a second round pick
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: on a thirty five year old who it's gonna say
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: it sound kind of stupid, and maybe it is, but
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: he's kind of due for an injury. The way the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: pitchers get hurt, you can't stay healthy forever, especially as
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: you continue to get older. So I think at this
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: point he probably is my fade.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is totally fair.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: You're never gonna come on a rasball podcast and try
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: to convince the host to spend a first or second
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: round pick on a pitcher. So you have found your brethren.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: One thing I will stay to kind of hijack and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to do this, but it's breaking news
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: right here we're talking about the National League East, is
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: that Pete Alonzo has just agreed to go back to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: the New York Mets.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Wow, fantastic that, Uh, I don't know if that really
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: changes the outlook for it, but like.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: I'm still so still in Biento's.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Even harder.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe right, passing bomb live on the air, that's amazing. Yeah,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: we haven't had one of those in a while, appreciated Joe.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, usually on this podcast, we just cursed guys get injured.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: So this is this is good news or maybe really
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: really bad news.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: So all right, mysel here is the new shiny toy
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: that they brought into Philadelphia. It's Hazus Lizardo. Just because
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: I've never really been a Lizardo fan, and now that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: you're taking them out of a good ballpark situation, I
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: think this is going to really unravel really quickly. It's
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: already being picked up within the Zips and the bat projections.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Who I mean, the zips is the worst on him,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: with a four to three six ERA over one hundred
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: and nine and a third innings. The Bats got him
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: at a four two seven rat at one hundred and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: forty innings. I think that's what you're looking at here
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: for Hazus Lozardo is just a really rough ra correction
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: coming because, like I said, the home park has done
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of work for him between being in Oakland
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and then going in Miami, career home road splits. His
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: home splits because he was at Oakland in Miami three
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: ninety six ERA, over three hundred innings on the road
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: four seventy five ERA and two hundred and twelve innings.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: You're putting him in Philadelphia, which is a great hitters park.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: I think that there he's going to run into lots
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: of lineups that are just going to load up right
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: handed bats against him and te off. So you kind
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: of I haven't even talked about the injury risk with
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: Lizardo between the back, the shoulder, forearm, the elbow, everything
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: in the canneg chain has been busted on Lazardo over
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: the years, and it's just it feels like a landmind
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: as he's sitting there in the drafts that I don't
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: think he gives you volume. I don't think the volume
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: he's going to give you is even something you want
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: this year, as that ERA should go well north to
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the four.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you. I
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: absolutely love the skills of Lozardo, but that's where it stops.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: That's the problem. Like I'm still looking at Lozardo from
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: like five years ago with athletics and being like, man,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: I want that, and then it's just literally, I don't
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: know if he has two arms anymore at this point.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: So I think it's an easy cell. But I think
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: it's also easy to dream, and I think that's why
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: people keep buying them.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: That twenty twenty two season was magic, Like just the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: numbers across the board thirty percent, strikeout right, one oh four,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: whip three thirty two era. I don't know if we're
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: ever getting that again. I unfortunately have to disagree here.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: I used to love Hajes Azardo. I thought he was
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: that was the next big thing, but I don't think
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: so anymore.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on to our prospect picks to click. So, Joe,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: who's yours for the Philadelphi Phillies.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not going for the top ranked prospect in
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: the system here. So for those thinking, oh, it's Joe,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: he's going to go Andrew Payner here, he's taken all
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: the low hanging fruit. No, I'm going to go Justin Crawford.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: And it's not just because his father was one of
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: my favorite players to watch growing up. I adored Carl Crawford,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: but Justin Crawford here, and it's interesting he hasn't been
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: drafted over the last month, even as deep as the
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: Draft Champions on NFBC, not inside the top seven hundred
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: and fifty picks. Maybe he shouldn't be, but what he
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: did last year mostly it was split between High A
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: and Double A, but all told, one hundred and ten games,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: nine homers, forty two steals in a three thirteen batting
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: average one hundred and thirty on the WRC plus. He
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't walk a ton six and a half percent, but
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: he doesn't strike out a lot either. That's typically been
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: below twenty percent that strikeout rate. He's still very young.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: He has a non roster invite to spring training, so
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: it's not crazy to think maybe he could sneak his
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: way into the back end of the bench, although I
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: think it's probably unlikely. This is more one for the future.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: I think if we're looking at twenty twenty six drafts
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: for E draft, or if you're looking at dynasty buys,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: I think the Crawford is somebody who could potentially be
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: a legit major league player. I think his defense is
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: projected to be fairly solid as well, so probably not
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: this year. Except for maybe down the stretch. But I
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: think twenty twenty six, Justin Crawford is somebody that I'm
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: really going to be interested in.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm torn on him because the ground ball rate
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: is so insane that but I do think, like the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: way that MLB is starting to emphasize balls and play,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: he's going to be the type of player who really
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: kind of tests to see, like if we can get
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: back to that ad style of baseball, and like if
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the rules keep shifting towards increasing balls and play like
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: creating hits, I think Crawford becomes more and more valuable.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: So it is interesting to see kind of how he
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: develops with the league around him, because if he can stick,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: it is another non zero power situation where it's projected
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: for two homers like Xavier Edwards, and the homers can
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: be or the sole and bases can be like otherworldly
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: here that I know he hasn't quite done that in
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: the minor leagues, but I think he's got the wherewithal
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: to like really push it to like fifty sixty stolen
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: bases in a peak year. So I think this is
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: this is a solid pick because this is also like
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: a make or break year for Crawford. I think that, like,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: if you are in a dynasty keeper situation, picking him
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: up now to see what he turns into is could
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: really pay off for you. I think down the road,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: if he kind of hits that next level and finds
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: his stroke and gets closer to the major leagues, brew,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: who is your pick to click?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am going a little bit higher. I
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: thought Joe's just gonna steal with me, so I'm not
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: taking the number one prospect. I thought he was gonna
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: go with the number two, which is where I'm going
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: with Aiden Miller. Yeah, twenty year old shortstop for Philly
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: Issues for their first round draft pick in twenty three.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Guy posted a one thirty three WRC plus across the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: miners last year. He went all the way from single
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: A to double A. And he's the kind of guy
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: that just fills the statutes across the board, and he
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: also is very patient hitter, kind of the things you
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: look for. So he ended up with eleven homers twenty
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: three steals last year, walked twelve percent of the time
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: struck out low twenties, and that's just a very very
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: solid profile for a twenty year old. That's still kind
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: of learned the ropes, and he's also going to be
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: a pretty solid overall defender. So I really like what
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: he's done, and he is up there on overall ranks,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: and he's starting to get into the top twenty thirty
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: prospect list, but I don't still hear him talked about
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: that much, and so I think he's going to be
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: a guy that once Painter gets out of that system
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: and he's you know, a lot of prospect ranks, He's
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Miller's gonna be talked about left
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: and right all the time. So maybe maybe I'm just
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: not listening to the right podcast or something like that,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: but I just don't hear Miller's name enough. So I'm
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: excited about him. I think he can do a lot
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: of damage and he's gonna be a stalwart for that
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: team for a handful of years coming up here.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna go pretty chalky here on
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: the Phillies prospects because I'm taking number three Moist's chasse.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: He came over in the trade.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: For Greg Risoto from Baltimore last year, and the biggest
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: reason here is that, I mean, you could see it's.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Kind of classically in the vein of the other guys.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I've been picking big loud stuff, huge, huge fastball. The
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: thing with the Orioles though, is that the control was
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: there was no semblance of control in his profile. The
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: walks per nine were you know, five or six. Seven
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: comes over, the Phillies immediately cuts it into the threes.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: So I think the Phillies found something with Chasse right
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: off the bat, and this is gonna look like a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: really bad trade in the end for the Orioles because
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: they desperately need an arm like Chasse, because I think
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: there is like really upside, like huge upside in terms
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: of like being a front of a rotation piece for Chasse,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: and then the downside is he just slots in it
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: as a great closer because of that great fastball. I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: think that he's got a couple of pass to playing
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: time in Philadelphia in twenty twenty five and then to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: the future. I think really like the world's his oyster.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: This is a guy with just really great stuff. I
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: think he's really gonna pop and is still maybe floating
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: just off of some radars in some of the dynasty
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: and keeper leagues out there.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: You're definitely going with the high strikeout, high high risk
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: guys today.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: I love there's you got the guys that could be
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: dominant closers if they could just figure out how to
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: keep it over the plate.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, just wait till we get to our next team,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: the Washington Nationals, who last year finished second to last
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: year in the division, but up and coming team, lots
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: of interesting players. I think this is also a team
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: where not only are they up and coming, but they
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: play their youngsters, so that makes it a fascinating spot
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: for buys and prospect picks to click here. I think
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: in the Washington Nationals, I'm gonna be interesting to see
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: if maybe they can push a little bit for a
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: wild card. You know, things come together, you see some
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: good seasons out of Dylan Cruz and James wood c
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: j Abrams, bab pounces back. I don't think it's out
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: of the run of possibilities that the Nationals can make
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: that type of run coming off of a seventy one
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: win season last year.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: But Joe, who is your buye on the Nets?
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: I agree that by the way, that they could potentially,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: if things break right for them, make a push for
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: a last wild card spot in eighty seven win team
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: or something like that. I'm a little bit biased with
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: this guy because he's a friend. He's a friend of
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: Fantasy pros. We love him. DJ Hurts. DJ Hurts broke
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: onto the scene last year and was fantastic. I know
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: some people will look at the four sixteen era and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: be like, Okay, he was whatever three twenty six expected
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: era three seventy one FIP and his Sierra, which is
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: my personal favorite of the era estimators, was at three
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: seventy seven. He struck out twenty seven point seven percent
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: of batters in his first run against major league hitters,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: which is which is no small feet. And he's a
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: guy who had generally had a bit of a command issue,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: more than a bit of a command issue throughout the miners.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: Sometimes we're looking at fourteen sixteen, sometimes even in small
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: sample sizes, as high as a twenty percent walk rate,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: but he had it below ten percent, and it wasn't
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: such a small sample. It was nineteen starts, eighty eight innings,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: pitched the swinging strike rate, backs out the strikeouts that
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: he's going to give you, So probably somewhere in that
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: twenty five to twenty seven percent range, as long as
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: he's able to maintain the command we saw last year.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: If we see that walk rate jump up to thirteen
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: fifteen percent again, then he's an easy drop. But if
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: he's able to keep that below ten percent and do
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: essentially the same thing he did last year, I see
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: him as a late target who can be your seventh
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: or eighth starting pitcher. He's not going until pick three
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: point fifteen on average, and somebody who could I think
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: very easily return like a three seventy five type of
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: era if things really break right with a hell of
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of strikeouts. So DJ Hurts is my pick here.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: I am a little bias because I love the guy,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: but that's who I'm going with.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: No, I love this, This is a great pick.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I love streaming him last year, and I think he's
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: one of your last choices on the draft board if
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: you want somebody who can get double digit k nines rates,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: So especially if you're in like a CA nine league,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: DJ Hurris has to be one of your last picks.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: I think for a picture, just given what he can
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: provide for you. Brew who is hereby here on the Nats.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it's always fun when there's just not
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: that much to choose from.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Uh are pretty fair.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: They are. So I'm I'm gonna go a little bit
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: deeper on this one, and I'm going with Jose Tina
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: Mine too. The third baseman. I think he is slotted
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: in to be the starting third baseman for the for
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: the Nats this year. He has sneaky good power and
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: sneaky like this is a guy that has been able to,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: you know, one hundred games last year and the Miners,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: he had eighteen homers. He came up and there's would
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: end up being in part of the trade there and
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: with Layne Thomas, and he still he swatted three homers
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: across forty four games, so he did, you know, just
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: light things on fire. But he's still six bases, only
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: got caught once. And so he's been one of those
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: guys that throughout the Miners has been kind of a
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: if you round it up, probably a twenty five twenty
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: five type of guy, hitting for actually pretty reasonable averages.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: And then if you look at the projections, like they're
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: all way under what that would be, and they're still
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: giving him like one hundred games, and they're saying he's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: gonna be like less than a ten to ten guy
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: hitting like two forty. Like, I see nothing in this
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: profile that says that he you know he Besides, he
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't walk, So if we're obp leagues, not not your guy.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: But he has decent plate approach, he's relatively you know,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: he's not striking out thirty five percent of the time.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: He's you know, in the mid twenty and he's gonna
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: fill your stat sheet overall. He just doesn't have the
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: sexy name. He just doesn't pop up on a lot
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: of reports things like that. But if he has everyday
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: playing time, why why not when you can get a
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: guy that can do that across the Diamonds. So coolly,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: what did I miss? Because you also have the same buy.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you hit a lot of
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: it that. It's also just like he hits the ball
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: pretty hard for a twenty three year old that has
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: had this profile in coming across the Cleveland system. Should
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: pick up probably second and third base and maybe could
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: spell Abrams at short. So like, if he can pick
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: up all three eligibilities, that's huge. DVR turned me on
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: too him after our podcast that we recorded a few
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, just because of a lot of what you
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: were saying in the profile that it's almost like really
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: hard to see how Tana doesn't like go to sixty
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: fifteen to fifteen, and given how cheap he is in drafts,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: like it's all kind of upside from there on top
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: of it all, Like you can almost see that easy
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: tweak in his profile because like his contact rates are
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: pretty solid, and like I think he's really great at.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Putting the bat on the ball.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of taking it to the next level
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: and teaching him some sort of selectivity that if he can,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, he has run double digit walk rates in
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: the minors before that. It's not like a jan kil
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Fernandez situation here where he is swinging and everything that
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: he has shown patients before. So if they can kind
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: of hammer that home in Washington to be able to
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: kind of round him into the next level, you're looking
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: at somebody who could really break out really big in
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Jose Tana.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: Leave it to us degree on our buy for a
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: guy going with ADP of five hundred.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, I'm impressed by some of these kind
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: of double dips that we've been doing. All right, let's
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: move on to ourselves. Joe, who's yourself for Washington.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: It is going to be C. J. Abrams remains very lofty.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: So adp over the last month generally is about fifty.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: Sometimes he even pushes up into the thirties. Sometimes he
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: falls to the sixties. I don't understand any anywhere in
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: that range really, So that's kind of where he was
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: going last year generally speaking. And he disappointed. And not
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: only did he disappoint, so we'll break down how he did.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: So the stolen bases fell from forty seven to thirty one,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: runs went down from eighty three to seventy nine. RBI
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 4: home runs stayed about the same. Batting average state about
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: the same. But we also got this five alarm knucklehead
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: fire that he's staying out all night at the casino,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if that's something he's going to outgrow.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: Probably it is. Probably there was something going whatever, But
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: do I really want to invest in a guy where
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: not only did he fail to take that next step forward,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: but now I also have to worry about if there's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: character problems, if there's going to be potentially because I'll say,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 4: what happened in a year ago is Luis Garcia got
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: sent down by the Nationals, Abrams got benched. So these
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: players who look like cornerstone to their future, they're not
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: afraid to take drastic punitive measures with them. So if
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: Abrams is fooling around or whatever, there's a chance, first
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: of all, that he loses playing time. But also I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: don't think that what he gives you is really necessarily
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: a third or a fourth round pick fewer than twenty homers.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: The lineup is improving, but I'm not really thinking he's
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: gonna hit ninety runs or even eighty run. Maybe he
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: gets to eighty, but I just think that generally speaking,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: he's overrated because we still think that he's a huge
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: stolen base guy after what he did in twenty twenty three,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: but he's stole thirty one bases. He's projected for about that. Again,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: I don't need to pay a third round price for that.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: I can go throughout the draft and take different guys
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 4: who give me twenty stolen bases. I like, short stop
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: is a fairly deep position to begin with, so I
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: don't feel the need to reach up here to secure
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: a shortstop. So there's a ton of reasons why I
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: just I just haven't found myself interested in CJ. Abrams
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: for the second year in a row. I just think
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: the price. If he was going in the eighties or nineties,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: that's fine, But in the forties, I just can't do it.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I can see this too in terms of like the floor,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: the floor is pretty deep, he's a below average defender
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: at shortstop, and some of the other factors he brought up,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: like you just don't know. He's a very volume based player,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: and if any of that volume kind of starts to
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: to peel back, or if the Nationals decide they want
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: to go a different way, you can see how it
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: unravels pretty fast.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Brew who's yoursel here?
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I know I'm gonna get a ton of
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: hate for this one, and I'm selling James Wood, and
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: I'm there's reasons. There's reasons, and it's not long term
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: sell it. This is just really more redrafts sell. James
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: Wood has incredible talent, kills the ball, you know, has
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: great speed, all those kind of things. The problem I
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: got with James Wood is twofold one. You know, he
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: was not a fish and based dealer last year at all.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: And if the Nationals are actually relatively competitive, they can't
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: have him just trying to figure it out on the fly.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: I think they have to have him reeled back a
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: little bit. I'm not buying the projections of him, you know,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: stealing twenty bases getting caught five times, like he's maybe
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: stealing twenty getting caught twelve Like. It's just he was
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: not the most efficient. I think he's still still figuring
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: things out. But the biggest thing that I'm worried about
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: with him is he he has this like weird Cabrian
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: Hayes profile, which is he doesn't hit the ball in
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: the air. He has the lowest launch aangle. His launch
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: angle is two point four percent last year. That means
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: he's hitting it down like straight into the ground and
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: he's he needs to figure out that launchangle and that
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: will start to unleash some crazy power. I just don't
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: know that he's gonna be able to do all of
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: those things at the age he is and figuring things out,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: like I think long term he will make those adjustments.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: But I'm not banking on like people are taking him
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: in like the third round now at some point, so
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: his ADP is still in the fifties. But you were
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: seeing him go in the third round and like you're
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: expecting him to go twenty five, twenty five and you know,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: improve the average, but he's probably gonna hit two fifty,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: two sixty, And I just think there's enough downside there
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: that if he doesn't figure the things out, like I
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm paying for him figuring things out. I'm
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: taking Brent Rooker like multiple rounds later and being just
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: as happy. But that's also because I absolutely love Brent Rooker.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: But I just see there's so many things that he
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: has to figure out for him to fully unleash that
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: potential that I think people a gonna be slightly disappointed
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: in twenty five, and then as he starts to figure
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: out that value shoots up long term. So I'm selling
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: James Wood. I'm probably like the only person selling James would.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: But as just as I look at the profile, there's
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: things that he has to figure out, and I those
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: are not easy things to figure out in the short
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: term unless all of a sudden, you've you know, took
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: the launch angle revolution, like you know, Chris Bryant back
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: in the day, something like that. So we'll see, we'll see.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: Time will tell. I know, you guys both disagree with
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: me if that's fine.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you. I don't like my initial
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: reaction was kind of surprised. But the launch angle thing,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: you know, welsch Menzin mentioned it the other day on
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: one of our Fantasy Pro shows, and he still hit
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: nine home runs because he still was just such a
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: strong individual and he was STI label to muscle nine
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: of them out. But eve Ben in triple A, his
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: launch angle was three and a half degrees. It wasn't
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: just like major league pitchers did this to him. It's
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: a problem. It's a problem that he needs to work on.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: Is he going to be able to fix that at
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: his age, which is twenty two without a ton of
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: major league experience, it's fair to bet against that, And
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: especially with the range he's going. He's fully priced. You're
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: not getting a discount. You're not taking a late flyer
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: on him. He's a foundational piece of your lineup. I'd
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: rather take wyat Langford. I'd rather take a lot of
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: guys going in that range over him. Langford a couple
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: picks earlier. But yeah, I find it hard to disagree
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: with anything you said.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I do really love the profile. Part
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: of it is like it's really tough because he's a
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: very good hitter, and I like he hits the ground
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: balls because he smokes them through, and like that's why
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: the batting average compared to most guys that have a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: six seven power batter power hitter frame, like you don't
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: count on that average, like James Wood's average, I think
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: will be there because he hits it so hard.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: Like can he make that shift the way that vlad
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: Guerrero did when he first came up, and like start
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: launching it because if he does, like lookout, then we're
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: talking you know, first rounder. But until then it is
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a rich price. I can see
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about, price wise.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at his triple A his triple
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: A line, he hit ten homers in fifty two games
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, just project that out thirty homers.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: He had a thirty seven percent home run for flyball
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: rate in triple A. It literally like if he hit
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: a fly ball, it went out of the park, and
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: like that's just not sustainable. And with this type of profile, like, yeah,
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: he has the power to be able to do that
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: if he can figure out how to get that launch
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: angle up. He's not like hitting in field fly balls
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: or things like that, like he absolutely murders the ball.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: Is just as a matter of fact, will he figure
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: this out this year? And that's where I'm like, I
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: think he's going to start to figure it out. If
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: I can buy September James Wood, I'm in, Like, I
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: just I'm buying the whole season of James Wood, and
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's it's gonna be a little bit a
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: little bit rocky.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: My cell here is it's a little bit later of
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: a cell, but it's Nathaniel Lowe first basement here just
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: because it's a little bit of a reminder too in
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: terms of like the depth of the first base profile position,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: like it is very very thin this year that you
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: know it used to be. I would be able to
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: go into drafts, and Nathaniel Lowe was a little bit
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: of like a check to say, hey, is low still
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: on the board, because if he is, I've got my
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: kind of first last first base corner infield option if
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: I'm desperate, and I can keep buying stolen bases in
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: different spots and kind of being a little bit more
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: aggressive and making sure that I'm getting profiles I really
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: like as opposed to trying to lock myself into a
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: first basement where there isn't much growth. Low is also,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: you know, he's been really almost too passive, and the
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: barrel rate has really been starting to degrade on him.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: I think the move here to Washington, you're also I
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: know that they traded a previous and piece in Robert
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Garcia for him, but this is a team that you know,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: just last year they had Joey Gallop for a little
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: bit and shipped him out of town because they wanted
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: to start bringing in youth. I think Nathaniel Low needs
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: to kind of watch out for that. But it is
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: also a little bit of like a flashing red light
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: to people out there that hey, you cannot be counting
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: on people like Nathaniel Low, who you thought were solid
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: every day forst basement out there, because then you're gonna
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: be looking at a dude who's like barely giving you
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: a batting average that's league average, gonna be maybe giving
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: you like fifteen to eighteen homers and just like really
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: killing you in all sorts of categories. And you've got
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: to get on your first baseman much quicker this year.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't disagree. I actually went looked at the ADP.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, there's the and a low. Maybe that's
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: a by opportunity to start looking into him, like it's
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: just there's just not enough there, there's not enough meat
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: left on the bone at this point. He's he's kind
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: of a minus at first base at this point.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's your corner infielder, I'm okay with it.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: But if it's your starting first baseman, then I think
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: you may have waited a bit too long.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Okay, who's your pictically here, joe.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: By pick? Are we we're doing prospect?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: No? Are we not prospect?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Sorry the terminology. I was like, hold on, I
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 4: already gave a regular Yeah, that's what happens when I, uh,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 4: when I'm not used to set up. But no, my
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 4: prospect pick is Jarlen Schussinna and I got Yeah. So
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: from what you mentioned earlier about the closer potential, somebody
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: who just needs to figure out the command, he was
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: one of the pieces that came over, I believe in
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: that trade for Juan Soto a couple of years ago,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 4: when they just completely revamped the entire team. It's incredible
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: how they're the base of that team was fully built
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: out from that trade pretty much. But Susanna gives you
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: a ton of strikeouts. He has pretty much throughout his
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: entire minor league career in the thirty ish percent range,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: in the last couple of years in the thirty five
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: percent range. Command is not terrible. Like a lot of
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: times you'll see these kind of guys in the minors
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: and it's like a fourteen to fifteen percent walk rate.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: You think it'd be a closer, but he's only in
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: that nine to ten percent range. The last couple of seasons.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: The eras have not been good, and you can look
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: at Okay five, fourteen, four to forty seven at various levels,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: but he's really getting killed in the babbit. It's like
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: in the three seventies every year, and he's always beating
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: it in terms of the pips and the x fips
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: by like a couple of runs. So I don't think
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: the true talent level is in the fours. I think,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: especially when you look at where this team is at.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, the projected closer right now is Jorge Lopez,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: so I think there's a good chance that they move
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: off of him. At some point. Now, maybe it's not
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: just Lopez that the roster resource has Derek Law and
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: Jose Ferrara also projected at the back end there. But
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: it's gross. It's a really grow situation. I think there's
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: a chance that Susana, if he starts off the year
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 4: looking good, there's a chance that he ends up as
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: the closer. And I think there's a chance you agree.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: There, Yeah, I mean I think there's like a couple
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: of routes that he can go, just like Chase even
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he can. He has a much
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: bigger frame than Tchasse. It's a six to six frame,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: and so like Susanna could easily be a starter, but
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: if they want to fast track him, he'll be a
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: great live arm in the bullpen. So this also kind
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand with how the Nationals are
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: kind of tracking throughout the season that this is kind
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: of their ace in the pocket. You know, if they're
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: running five hundred through the All Star break, I think
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: you can see Susana be moved pretty quickly so that
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: they can maybe make a run at that wild card spot.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: And yeah, even long term, you just got to love
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: what the profile looks like. In terms of it's kind
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: of it's really hard to find like your next wave
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: of aces in dynasty and keeper leagues, and I think
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: Susan is one of the few arms that can really
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: push it to getting you into that top ten range
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly within a year or two.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, brew, who is your pick to click
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: from the prospect side on the nets?
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad we're just gonna stick with six six
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: pictures and I'm going to go with Travis Deakora, the
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: national's single a pitcher. He only has a whole one
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: season under his belt that he got in twenty twenty four,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: but he was absolutely dominant. He struck out thirteen and
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: a half guys per nine on a thirty nine percent
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: k K rate and kept the walks under under three
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: per nine eight percent walk rate, keeps the ball on
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: the ground. Actually was a little bit unlucky with leaving
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: guys on base. And his ERA was two thirty three.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: His FIP was actually one eighty seven. He was a
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: twenty year old at that a. Like he just dominated,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: and like he is this big, tall, lanky guy, like
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: you can just imagine him filling out and just pump
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: gas that he is hard to hit, and you know,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: he's got all kinds of upside written all over him.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: So he's not fully a known quantity yet, but he
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: is starting to fly up pitchure rankings. And you know,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: if if you want to compare him to another guy
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: in the miners, like Noah Schultz, I think is a
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: very very reasonable calm for a similar type type of picture,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: similar lenky type guy. I think he's gonna be in
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: the miners all year in twenty twenty five, but he's
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be knocking on the door early in twenty six,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: and that rotation is not the hardest to break into
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: at this point. So I think that he's going to
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: be flying up draft word which for sure going into
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: next year. So by him, now, buy him before everybody
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: is fully on board. But I don't think it's going
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: to be long before everybody is buying Sikora.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm right locksed up with you that
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: like this is the guy who's more twenty twenty six,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, but like we're going to be talking
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: about maybe than number one pitching prospect kind of late
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: in the summer that he's gonna especially if he is
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: in double a shoving. It's gonna be really hard for
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  Speaker 1: the news to just kind of spread fast and wide. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we did it, guys. We did forty five
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  Speaker 1: ish players here all together. Let's wrap it up here
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  Speaker 1: for this week.
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  Speaker 4: Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Let everybody know where they can find you again.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first off, guys, really appreciate you having me on.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. I love the format, breaking
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  Speaker 4: down the buy to sell the prospect. I might have
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  Speaker 4: to steal it for a show or two myself. It's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of fun. But you guys, fine, Mark, so
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  Speaker 4: you can go ahead. Gray al right's not gonna come
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  Speaker 4: after me if I if I call the no. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you guys can find me at Fangraphs doing some writing
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  Speaker 4: over there. The second base rankings we're just updated, if
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  Speaker 4: you guys want to go take a peek. And then
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  Speaker 4: Fantasy Pros all kinds of podcasts right now on the
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  Speaker 4: baseball side. You can check out wherever you get your
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  Speaker 4: podcasts or on YouTube. We're going to be doing some
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  Speaker 4: live streams on Twitch as well, so Fantasy Pros, Fangrafts.
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  Speaker 4: If you search them, I'm sure you'll find it. But
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  Speaker 4: Joe Alrico ninety nine is where you can find me
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  Speaker 4: across the socials. But once again, guys really appreciate the invite.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, it was great having you on. We've had
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  Speaker 1: a blast talking the NL East here together. Brew Let
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  Speaker 1: everybody know where they can find you. Yep, find me
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  Speaker 1: a Twitter slash x. I followed Joe's approach here, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm also on Blue Sky, but I tend to forget
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  Speaker 1: about it, but I at least got there, which was
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  Speaker 1: the first thing. But find me on Twitter slash x
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  Speaker 1: Jay Brewer one seven. Find me in Rasball on the
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  Speaker 1: weekends doing your hitter profiles top one hundred hitters for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. We are just finishing going
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  Speaker 1: through some more busts our breakouts.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be hitting sleepers this coming weekend and before we
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  Speaker 3: start breaking down the top one hitters for the spring
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  Speaker 3: training timeframe. So Cooley, how about you? Where from folks
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  Speaker 3: find you?
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  Speaker 1: Yep, you can always find me on this podcast every
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  Speaker 2: See everybody,