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Ep. 113 Leaving It Better than You Found It w/MSgt Jerry Hoover [VETERANS DAY 2023 SPECIAL] (Privychat 25) · Privycast

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  Speaker A: And our whole squadron was camper
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  teams. And when the security systems
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  would go down and would quit working
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  out in the missile field, we, had to
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  go out and sit on site.
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  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker A: In a fenced in area with a missile
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  underground. And
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  we stayed there for up to three days until they could come
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  out.
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  Speaker C: welcome back to privy. Privy is a
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  podcast about bathrooms, recorded
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  from my, well, bathroom, away
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  from bathroom. I am at the Eastside
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  Christian church, men's bathroom, my recording
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  studio, away from recording studio. Away from
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  bathroom. and I am joined,
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  by my dad, Jerry,
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  Hoover. Dad, how are,
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  I can just to share a bit,
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  for November, here on
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  privy all year round, we
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  try to remind folks, the podcast
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  is a thing that started kind of out of, the
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  desire to be thankful for what we
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  have. And one of the things
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  that spurred from that was, being thankful
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  for, this country that we live
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  in and the people who
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  have, fought and served and many of
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  whom died in the process of getting us to the
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  point where we can poop in a free world. and
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  so I wanted you, to be here
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  to kind of share, because you
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  are a, veteran, do you want to share a
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  bit about your military experience? I'd
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  love for you to share it. I know a bit of it, but I think
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  there's even stuff that I don't know.
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  Speaker A: Yeah. well, after high
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  school, October eigth, I went into
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  basic, training, went to
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  Lacklan Air force base.
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  Speaker C: where was that at?
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  Speaker A: That was in Texas, in San Antonio,
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  Texas. It's hot, and a lot of people have been there and
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  know what San Antonio's like.
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  And I do remember as we first got off the
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  bus, I think it was a greyhound bus, and they started lining
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  people up with the training instructor. It seemed
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  like all he could do was just yell at everybody all
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  the time.
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  Speaker B: Oh, man.
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  Speaker A: To line up and get straightened up, because
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  you're getting ready to have to do this stuff in the
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  next six weeks.
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  Speaker C: Oh, man.
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  Because you're from Florida. was the
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  Texas heat and that a culture
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  shock for you, or was it more, what was
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  the.
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  Speaker A: No, no, it wasn't, because
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  I grew up in that
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  climate similar to Texas, but
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  there were some, a lot of guys that were from up north
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  or back east that just like, they
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  died all the time. They were just sweating all the time.
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  Speaker C: Did guys pass out?
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  Speaker A: Do you remember, we had a couple of guys that did
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  get faint and pass out during training?
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  Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker C: So you went to basic training in
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  Texas. how long were you there
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  and where was the.
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  Speaker A: It's a six week, boot camp.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: And
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  it was about 40 guys as I remember,
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  35 to 40 in our squadron.
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  47, 23rd
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  basic military training squadron.
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  We, all lived in an open dorm with beds and
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  lockers.
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  Speaker C: So it's just like where all the beds are
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  together in one room.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: They're all one big open bay. It had a little bit of space,
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  like three or 4ft in between the beds with a
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  locker on one end of the bed.
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  Speaker C: I have to ask, how many bathrooms
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  did that space have?
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  Speaker A: We had a separate big open
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  room from that. That was, we
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  had an open bay shower
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  area that had about ten showers.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker A: And about, I'm thinking about eight
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  stalls to do your business.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And then we had a day room but there were no chairs in
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  there.
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  Speaker C: What was the day room?
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  Speaker A: The day room was kind of designed for your training instructor to
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  come in and give you some
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  pleasant information about what you're going to do the
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  next day and how you did that day. And maybe
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  yell at a few guys for just screwing off a
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  lot.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Really, man.
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  And I have a feeling, and I don't know this
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  but I think it's different now.
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  I've heard people nowadays where there's less
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  screaming and there's less shouting, but back then it
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  was truly like kind of what you see in the movies sometimes, huh?
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Really?
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: They'd get up in your face.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Ah, man.
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  Speaker A: But yeah, I didn't.
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  Speaker C: They never had to do that for you?
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  Speaker A: No, I was
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  there for about four weeks and we were in the day
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  room and the instructor was, we
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  had two instructors and he was
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  passing out mail. And finally I got a piece of
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  mail from back home.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And you'd be sitting out there just kind of sitting
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  randomly and they just kind of toss it like a frisbee to you
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  here. He'd go along, he'd say, he called
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  out my name and he goes, where have you been all this
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  time? Yeah, I guess you just don't get in any trouble, do
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  you? I, haven't had to yell at you yet.
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  He said, but that's a good thing. Here's your mail. Read it.
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  Speaker C: There you go, man.
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  what took you into the military from high
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  school? You enrolled right away. But
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  what made you do that?
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  Speaker A: I really didn't know what career field
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  I wanted to go into. I did work as a Bret
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  Lair's helper with my father, your
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  grandpa, during
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  the summer and after school. And
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  I did that enough to realize that that's not what I
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  wanted to do for a career.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker A: So I had an old uncle. We all have an old
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  uncle that the family kind of has a
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  tendency to, make fun of and joke about.
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  But he was really a good guy, and he said, hey, how about
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  the army? Yeah, I go, really? The army?
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  He says, yeah, or maybe the air force. He says,
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  yeah, I think maybe you'd be better in the air
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  force. I was an army guy, and I know what it's
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  like. My uncle said, and, my uncle
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  Julian. Julian. And, he said, why don't you.
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  Speaker C: Go in the then?
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  So basic training,
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  you're in Texas, and when that's done, where did you
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  go from there? Did you go back to Florida?
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  Speaker A: No, I went to, I think it was a
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  seven or eight week,
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  security police training
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  school. And that was also in Texas.
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  Speaker C: They always put them where it's hot.
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  Speaker A: Yeah. Put them where it's hot, yeah. Oh,
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  my.
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  Speaker C: For. Was that related to the military
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  or was that just a separate thing, the security police
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  thing?
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  Speaker A: Yeah, it was related to the military. It was just
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  my career field that they
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  suggested, that I
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  went into because of the test that I took in
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  high school. If you're going to consider a military
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  career, they give you what they call an Asvab
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  test. They still do it and they still do it and say, this
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  is what you're geared towards.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And that's where I went.
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  Speaker C: Did you think that was accurate? Yeah,
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  it felt right.
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  Speaker A: Yeah, it did.
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  Speaker B: That's good.
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  Speaker C: That's cool to hear, though, because I don't know, I
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  think if there's kids listening, I think a lot of times kids
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  take that test and they're like.
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  Speaker A: What is this going to tell me?
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  Speaker C: And it's cool to hear what that does.
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  Speaker A: You had administrative, you had
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  different ones. And
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  mechanical. I kind of leaned towards mechanical,
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  but just seemed to be good at the, time.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Security and that type of.
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  Speaker A: Get to carry guns, shoot guns.
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  Speaker C: There you go. Have a good time.
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  so after that training, where did that take you? So
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  you're still in Texas. Where did you go from there?
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  Speaker A: I went to. I got
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  my first base assignment. when they handed
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  that to me in the dorm,
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  they handed out assignments because that was kind of what was coming
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  up. And I looked at it and I go, mount from Air
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  Force base, Montana. What country is
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  that in?
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  Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker C: it could not have been farther from home for you, probably.
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  Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah, that was not on my wish list.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, the frosty forbidden north.
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  So that's your first stop. It was right away,
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  huh?
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  Speaker A: yes.
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  Speaker C: Wow.
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  And I can kind of share what, Mike? Because I give you a
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  little my perspective of Mount Strom,
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  because it always
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  existed. Do you know what I didn't growing
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  up? It was never not there. and so
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  to hear you not know about it is
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  interesting, because I guess in my brain,
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  it's Malmstrom. Everybody in that
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  area knows, but if you're not from there, I guess that makes sense. So
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  did you live on base at first?
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  Speaker A: At first, I lived in a dorm. Yeah, we had
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  two guys per room in
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  a.
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  Speaker B: Long.
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  Speaker C: How long were you, with Malmstrom?
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  Speaker A: My whole first assignment. four years.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: It's a minute man missile.
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  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And I was on, what they called a camper
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  team.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: And our whole squadron was camper
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  teams. And when the security systems
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  would go down and would quit working
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  out in the missile field, we, had to
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  go out and sit on site.
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  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker A: In a fenced in area with a missile
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  underground. And,
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  we stayed there for up to three days until they could
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  come out and fix it.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker C: So you guys literally camped?
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  Speaker A: Yeah, we camped in a camper.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: Truck camper. Just drove it out there.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker A: But they're not as plush as they were today. They weren't very
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  plush.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Wow. Okay, so you secured
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  these missile silos.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: You did that for four years, you said?
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  Speaker A: up to about my third year I did that.
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  And in my last year, I got a cushy job in the
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  vehicle security police vehicle
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  section.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: And I was the guy that handed out vehicles
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  and checked them out and
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  made sure they were ready to go.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: So it was a nice cushy job to have right at the end.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: That's nice.
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  So then your four years are done at
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  that point. Is that kind of one of those moments where
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  I need to decide, am I going in this long
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  term, or am I going to go do something else? Is that kind
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  of when that.
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  What did you do? I know, but what did you do?
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  Or at least I think I know.
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  Speaker A: Well, I got out. oh.
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  Speaker C: Really? I didn't realize that.
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  Speaker A: I got out after my four years.
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  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker A: And,
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  I had just gotten married.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And
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  so I was out and working
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  another job in the city there in
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  Great Falls, as a.
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  I think it was a parking attendant
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  in the town there, checking parking meters
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  and stuff like that.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And then, in the said, you know, I
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  got this military experience. They were looking for people to
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  join the guard. Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Wow.
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  Speaker A: That'd be easy. Go one weekend a
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  know, pretty good paycheck. You get a bonus just for
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  going in. so
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  I went in there.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. So it started out it was going to be one weekend
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  a month.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: One weekend a month, two weeks in the summer for your summer training.
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  Speaker C: That grew from there.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: How did you get to the point where you were doing that? I
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  think full time.
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  Speaker A: Yeah, I went, full time. I called it, active guard,
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  reserve AGR position.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: And they would come open from time
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  to time because people do retire
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  and attrition takes
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  over and people move along and they need
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  an opening for a full time
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  position. And it was also,
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  aircraft based. So it was the first time I got to work
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  with aircraft. Instead of sitting on top of a missile
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  site watching the tumbleweed
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  blow by.
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  Speaker C: In the wintertime,
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  what were you doing on the. With. You're guarding
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  the aircraft. Is that right?
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: And it's like big boy
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  aircraft.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: F 106 is at
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  first, and,
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  yeah, we work night shift and go out there, and they were
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  parked and we had to hang out and
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  be there. And we had some on alert
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  that were ready to go in a moment's notice,
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  if they see something in the sky that they need to
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  go and intercept it. They had pilots sitting
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  in a little dormitory, and they were ready to
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  jump in their cockpit and take off.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker A: And then soon those planes went away and we got
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  the nice, modern f 16.
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  That was a lot of fun, too.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. Because when I was born,
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  you were there. I remember
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  growing up, this is what you were doing.
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  and I don't know how much you want to share, but
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  what were some of the highlights, or maybe not even
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  highlights, but big moments of your time in
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  the guard. Up until the time in the guard,
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  did you have any significant bathroom
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  stops that were, like, this was a challenge or
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  strange bathroom experiences?
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  Speaker A: well, back in basic training,
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  it was pretty modern, other than being a more open
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  stall environment.
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  Speaker C: Like no doors.
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  Speaker A: They had no doors. I do remember
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  stalls, but there were no doors on
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  the toilets. And
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  the
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  shower area, again, like I said, was open
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  bay. And they're
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  always joked about, if you drop
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  your soap, don't bend over to pick it up,
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  because you're in here with people from all over the
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  country and you don't know who they are. Until you
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  get to know your troop
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  friends, just be
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  cautious.
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  Speaker C: You know what's wild is I think that's something that people
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  regularly say when they are referring to prison
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  life. So the fact that it's translating
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  over is just striking.
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  man. Yeah. So the
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  open stall, is there a toilet
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  located straight across from you?
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  Speaker A: They were side by side.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker C: So they're not like head on with each other
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  because that would be a disaster.
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  Speaker A: They were away from the shower area.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker A: And then the sinks, they had sinks similar
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  to this where you could see the plumbing underneath. They had
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  like eight sinks. But the thing
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  was, and we finally caught on to
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  it about our second and third week of training
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  because the instructor would come in
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  once a day while we were out training and he'd do an
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  inspection and we'd always fail
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  it because we had all these showers
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  and all these toilets and sinks to
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  clean, but we didn't have much time to
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  do it. So he finally hinted to us and said,
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  hey, guys, you got to work as a team. And that
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  was the thing is to encourage,
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  teamwork.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: He says, here's what you
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  do. I'm going to say it one time and maybe you guys will
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  figure it out. You got all these sinks
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  you have in toilets,
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  showers you have to clean every day. And I only give
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  you like 15 minutes to do it. He
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  says, don't use all of them. Yeah,
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  only use maybe three of them.
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  And then the others keep those polished in
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  inspection ready condition.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: He said, when you get up in the morning,
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  figure it out. Who's going to do the showers
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  first, who's going to do the sinks and who's going to go to the bathroom.
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  And just use those three items in each
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  area and that's all you have to clean. Keep the others
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  ready to go for inspection, and when it's time to
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  clean, boom, you can do it in 15 minutes. And that's what we did.
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  And it worked.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: So they have kind of extra
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  toilets.
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  Speaker A: And showers and stuff. Yeah, I mean, they're usable, they're
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  there to use. And we were dumb and that's what
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  we were using it until we got figured out.
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  Speaker C: Once you guys had your three toilet system, was there
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  anybody that ever went rogue and went to one of the
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  other ones just because it was clean?
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  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker C: Did they get hazed?
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  Speaker A: Peer pressure?
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: Enough would cause them to maybe I
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  won't. Make sure you clean it.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: And if we get in trouble for it, it's on you.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: Oh, man.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker C: What did they do to them? Just harass them.
• 18:05
  Speaker A: have you ever heard of short sheeting?
• 18:07
  Speaker C: no.
• 18:09
  Speaker A: If you had a person that just wasn't getting it,
• 18:13
  while they were in the bathroom, you could short sheet their
• 18:15
  bed. And what that means
• 18:18
  is they got the sheets folded on the
• 18:21
  bed. You would fold it back so that
• 18:24
  the sheet is halfway. So when they get in bed
• 18:27
  and go to stretch their legs out, it ain't going
• 18:30
  to happen.
• 18:34
  That was just minor stuff.
• 18:36
  Speaker C: Still good, though.
• 18:39
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 18:39
  Speaker C: So then when you made it to the
• 18:42
  guard, was the bathroom situation.
• 18:45
  How was it there? And you can even talk about, like,
• 18:48
  Speaker A: Well, I know on one time
• 18:51
  in the guard, we went to Fort Harrison, it was back in the
• 18:54
  80s for some training during a summer camp.
• 18:56
  Speaker C: Where's that at?
• 18:57
  Speaker A: That's in, Helena, Montana.
• 18:59
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 19:00
  Speaker A: And it was an army training base, and we went there to do some
• 19:03
  training, and it was all open bay
• 19:05
  again.
• 19:06
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 19:06
  Speaker A: Except there were no shower, no doors. No doors,
• 19:09
  no walls, just toilets. A row of about
• 19:12
  15 toilets.
• 19:15
  Speaker B: Ah.
• 19:15
  Speaker A: You're right next to your buddy,
• 19:17
  elbowing. When you're reaching for the paper,
• 19:20
  you might bump into him, but. Yeah,
• 19:23
  but maybe that's the way they did it in the army. But that was
• 19:26
  an army training base. No, remember
• 19:28
  the showers were open and we were on
• 19:31
  cots because we were just there for
• 19:34
  temporary, training.
• 19:37
  and then a time in Indian
• 19:39
  Springs. I think that's Nevada.
• 19:42
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 19:43
  Speaker A: They had stalls with doors.
• 19:46
  Again, open bay showers, et cetera.
• 19:49
  Yeah, but getting to the toilet paper, we
• 19:52
  haven't talked about that yet. It seemed to be all the
• 19:55
  government issued toilet paper was really
• 19:58
  rough.
• 19:58
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's like the stuff they have at the school.
• 20:01
  Yeah, probably. was, Josh
• 20:03
  Werman and I recorded in the Porta potty that sits outside
• 20:06
  of timber Ridge middle school here. And the
• 20:09
  toilet paper in that Porta potty is better than the
• 20:12
  paper they give us at the school.
• 20:14
  Speaker A: Oh, wow.
• 20:14
  Speaker C: It is 100%. So they had pretty rough
• 20:17
  paper.
• 20:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. You could go to the commissary and buy your own
• 20:21
  if you want to keep a roll in your locker.
• 20:23
  Speaker B: okay.
• 20:23
  Speaker C: Did you ever do that?
• 20:25
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker C: Really?
• 20:27
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 20:29
  Speaker A: But I'm talking about post
• 20:32
  basic training.
• 20:33
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker A: In basic training, you didn't get to do exactly
• 20:36
  what you wanted to or have what you wanted to have.
• 20:39
  Speaker B: Right.
• 20:39
  Speaker A: But once you got through that six weeks of training, it was
• 20:42
  more laid back and more
• 20:44
  casual. Once you got to tech school, and then
• 20:47
  once you got to your first base, it was like, okay, you're an
• 20:49
  adult.
• 20:53
  Speaker C: I remember, I knew you
• 20:56
  had.
• 20:56
  Speaker A: A couple of deployments.
• 20:57
  Speaker C: One was to Hawai. And I know that sounds
• 21:00
  weird, but what was you? I
• 21:03
  don't remember that very well because I was, like, eight
• 21:06
  or nine or something.
• 21:07
  Speaker A: Yeah. it was a small
• 21:10
  deployment with just a few handpicked people.
• 21:16
  at this time, it was for some computer training.
• 21:19
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker A: We were starting to go computers and putting everything
• 21:23
  in computers and that stuff.
• 21:25
  And I went.
• 21:28
  And, it was a short time. I think a
• 21:31
  week.
• 21:31
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker A: Might have been two weeks.
• 21:33
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker C: I don't remember you being gone long.
• 21:35
  Speaker A: Yeah. It was an easy,
• 21:38
  place to go for a couple of weeks.
• 21:42
  And we went to the beach.
• 21:44
  And, I remember at the beach being
• 21:47
  originally from Florida, we had some
• 21:50
  Montana friends that went, and
• 21:53
  they got sunburned. I mean, bad.
• 21:56
  Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker C: Like lobster.
• 21:58
  Speaker A: Right. But they made fun of me for wearing a t
• 22:00
  shirt all the time.
• 22:01
  Speaker C: And I go, dude, you're educated.
• 22:04
  Speaker A: You're not going to feel hot until tomorrow when
• 22:07
  you go wake up and you try to put your
• 22:10
  clothes on. And that's exactly what
• 22:13
  happened.
• 22:14
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker A: Because they wanted a quick tan, and
• 22:18
  they wanted to look good, and so
• 22:20
  they paid for it.
• 22:22
  Speaker C: They looked like some sort of red monster running.
• 22:25
  Speaker A: And with their sunglasses on. They had white
• 22:29
  around there. It was like a raccoon. Like a raccoon.
• 22:32
  Speaker C: Yeah. You were seasoned when it came to
• 22:35
  the sun, that's for sure.
• 22:36
  Speaker B: Right. Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker A: And I wore sunscreen.
• 22:38
  Speaker B: They didn't.
• 22:39
  Speaker A: They said, no, we don't need that.
• 22:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker C: They're paying for it probably now and
• 22:44
  then. But, yeah, you
• 22:47
  were at Hawaii. You had more
• 22:50
  on that.
• 22:51
  Speaker A: not really. I don't remember much other than just being
• 22:54
  in a dorm type environment.
• 22:56
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker A: And, not too bad.
• 22:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker A: Now, when I went to Kyrgyzstan after
• 23:06
  911.
• 23:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker C: before you talk about Kyrgyzstan, can you
• 23:13
  kind of give your perspective on 911?
• 23:16
  Because I was pretty young,
• 23:18
  and I just remember you were gone a
• 23:21
  lot. What was that
• 23:23
  like for you?
• 23:25
  Speaker A: Well, I was on duty, at the
• 23:28
  Montana, air National Guard the day it
• 23:31
  happened. And
• 23:35
  it's know, you couldn't believe it,
• 23:38
  but you turn on the tv news up there, and
• 23:41
  there it was. And they played it over and over and over.
• 23:44
  And so, the governor of
• 23:47
  Montana then, activated the
• 23:50
  guard active duty full time, immediately.
• 23:53
  Everybody.
• 23:54
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker A: Be here. Get here. Because we
• 23:57
  may have to go.
• 23:58
  Speaker B: Right.
• 23:59
  Speaker A: And so they pull
• 24:02
  me off of. I was,
• 24:05
  doing a flight sergeant duty that day
• 24:08
  and
• 24:11
  being familiar with the
• 24:13
  armory because I had to
• 24:16
  arm the folks there that were
• 24:19
  on shift. They put me in the
• 24:22
  armory because we were arming everybody
• 24:25
  that could carry a weapon that
• 24:28
  was qualified. We had civil engineers.
• 24:33
  Speaker A: We had motor pool people.
• 24:36
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 24:36
  Speaker A: And they were coming over, and we were just putting them on the
• 24:39
  perimeter of the national guard base in the
• 24:41
  airport, just as ears and eyes.
• 24:44
  Speaker C: Right.
• 24:45
  Speaker A: Because this had just happened, and nobody
• 24:48
  knew how extensive it was going to be.
• 24:51
  Speaker B: Right.
• 24:51
  Speaker A: So we were throwing people out there with weapons,
• 24:54
  of course they were qualified and putting them on a post with
• 24:57
  a radio and a
• 24:59
  vehicle. And
• 25:03
  kind of waiting. Just waiting.
• 25:06
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker A: And, I was stuck in the armory
• 25:09
  till about 09:00 that night when they finally let me go
• 25:12
  home, which I was supposed to go home from.
• 25:15
  I was there from six to six, and I stayed there
• 25:18
  till 09:00 that night. So that was a 15 hours day
• 25:21
  until someone could come and take over.
• 25:24
  Speaker B: Right. Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker C: I remember you being late.
• 25:27
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker B: Man. And then.
• 25:30
  Speaker C: So all that conflict in the
• 25:33
  results of it, you went to Kyrgyzstan.
• 25:35
  Speaker A: Yep. about three months into
• 25:40
  know this would be the mother's. I think it was around
• 25:43
  Mother's Day the following year,
• 25:46
  they were starting to deploy air national
• 25:49
  guard folks that wanted
• 25:52
  to go. You didn't have to go at the time,
• 25:54
  just take volunteers. But the catcher
• 25:57
  was at the time, the deployments were only
• 26:00
  90 days. 90 to 120 days.
• 26:03
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker A: They said, if you go now, you may be able to,
• 26:07
  because in the future, they're going to be six months
• 26:10
  and maybe a year. I says, I'll go
• 26:12
  now. Yeah, I'll go now. And,
• 26:15
  so a group of us went.
• 26:18
  There were probably 15 of us that went. And
• 26:20
  we joined up with a unit down
• 26:23
  in Georgia
• 26:27
  that does this kind
• 26:30
  of thing. They were a deployment type unit, and
• 26:33
  they had the supplies. They had the equipment to
• 26:36
  be deployed anywhere at a moment's notice.
• 26:38
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 26:38
  Speaker A: So all we had to do is just go there.
• 26:40
  Speaker A: And show up. And they put us to work.
• 26:42
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 26:42
  Speaker A: And they gave us everything we needed. I mean, there was
• 26:45
  unlimited equipment that they had. They
• 26:47
  had a big warehouse, and they were well equipped.
• 26:50
  Speaker C: And so you went to Kyrgyzstan with them?
• 26:52
  Speaker A: With them on a plane. Yeah. It was
• 26:55
  a commercial flight, so it was pretty.
• 27:00
  Speaker C: was what was life in Kyrgyzstan like?
• 27:03
  Speaker A: Well, at the time, it was a third world
• 27:06
  country, which I'd never been in.
• 27:08
  And those people didn't even know they
• 27:11
  were poor until we got there, really.
• 27:14
  When the military shows up,
• 27:17
  they've got everything.
• 27:20
  And,
• 27:22
  we were in tents. It was just a
• 27:25
  big tent city that the civil engineers had just
• 27:28
  recently set up. We were the second
• 27:31
  group of people that showed up, and, ah, we
• 27:34
  lived in tents.
• 27:35
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 27:36
  Speaker A: Big tents. Yeah. Uh-huh.
• 27:39
  And it was, again, open bay with beds.
• 27:42
  And then they had showers and
• 27:44
  bathrooms in a mobile trailer type
• 27:47
  environment similar to what
• 27:50
  they do now? in the fire. Lines
• 27:53
  up on the fires and have forest fires.
• 27:55
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 27:57
  Speaker C: Just out in the desert.
• 27:58
  Speaker A: So you had to walk about
• 27:59
  300ft,
• 28:02
  about the size of a football field to get to those because they
• 28:05
  were separated from the living area.
• 28:07
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.
• 28:08
  Speaker A: And, they graveled the whole area. Kind of like your
• 28:11
  yard. It's solid gravel.
• 28:12
  Speaker B: Really? Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker A: They just went in there and just graveled everything. That's crazy. And
• 28:16
  your tent was sitting on gravel.
• 28:18
  Speaker C: But it's like in the middle of nowhere. Kind of, in Kyrgyzstan.
• 28:20
  Speaker B: Or is it near.
• 28:21
  Speaker A: That was near the gansi,
• 28:25
  it was called Gansi air base
• 28:27
  Kyrgyzstan. But the airport
• 28:30
  was the probably had a
• 28:33
  wild was. I guess it was the Gansi
• 28:36
  air base, Kyrgyzstan.
• 28:40
  Manus airport. Manus
• 28:43
  international airport.
• 28:44
  Speaker A: And I think today you can look it up and it's still an airport.
• 28:47
  But our civil engineers
• 28:50
  went in there and they set up a tent city.
• 28:53
  And then we came in for security.
• 28:56
  And then they also were tasked the civil
• 28:59
  engineers were tasked with
• 29:02
  fixing the Runway.
• 29:03
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 29:04
  Speaker A: So our airplanes could come in.
• 29:05
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker A: And land. And then they were stored in a place. And we
• 29:09
  secured the storage area.
• 29:11
  Speaker B: okay.
• 29:12
  Speaker A: But their airport was in such
• 29:15
  disrepair, it was full of potholes and
• 29:18
  cracks because in a third world country, they didn't have the
• 29:20
  means to keep it right that way.
• 29:23
  Keep it in operable condition.
• 29:26
  Speaker C: So you all were doing improvements to that,
• 29:28
  but also securing.
• 29:31
  Speaker A: We were security team, and then
• 29:34
  we were there for the engineers.
• 29:36
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker A: at the time, it
• 29:39
  wasn't really a hotspot like it was in
• 29:42
  Afghanistan later on.
• 29:46
  but we were aware that there could
• 29:48
  be some, bad
• 29:51
  people that don't like us.
• 29:53
  Speaker C: Yeah, you're not far from it over there.
• 29:54
  Speaker A: But the local people in the little villages, in the little
• 29:57
  town there, they loved us.
• 30:00
  They were just happy to see you all the
• 30:03
  time because you could give them a bottle of water and
• 30:06
  they'd just sit, stand around, talk to you forever
• 30:08
  or hand out some little bags of m and Ms or something to
• 30:11
  the kids or maybe
• 30:14
  an MRE. Oh, man. They would do backflips over an
• 30:17
  Mre. But we were
• 30:20
  encouraged not to do that,
• 30:22
  become too friendly because they
• 30:25
  could get in the way or become
• 30:28
  maybe a burden. When you're trying to
• 30:31
  do your job.
• 30:32
  Speaker C: That'S tough because, you could help so much,
• 30:35
  but you can't because
• 30:38
  that's tough.
• 30:41
  What were the bathrooms like in Kyrgyzstan?
• 30:44
  Speaker A: again, they were in a trailer.
• 30:47
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 30:47
  Speaker A: Open bay type.
• 30:49
  Speaker C: Did you ever have to not use that.
• 30:52
  Was there ever a moment where you, did you get
• 30:55
  sick? I always hear, like, when you go.
• 30:57
  Speaker A: To another country, I'm blessed and
• 31:00
  fortunate that I did not ever get sick.
• 31:02
  Speaker B: Really.
• 31:03
  Speaker A: But they did tell you don't drink the
• 31:06
  water.
• 31:06
  Speaker C: Right.
• 31:07
  Speaker A: But guys would forget and use the
• 31:10
  ice cubes and they're made
• 31:13
  of water. Don't use.
• 31:17
  They had containers like you see at
• 31:20
  Walmart with all those big containers,
• 31:23
  on the back of a train. They
• 31:26
  had those packed with bottled water. Oh, wow.
• 31:29
  And they had them scattered all over the base.
• 31:31
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker A: And you could just go and whenever you needed water, just get
• 31:35
  whatever you wanted.
• 31:36
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 31:36
  Speaker A: If you needed three or four cases of water and go put in your
• 31:39
  tent.
• 31:40
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 31:40
  Speaker A: You just went and got it.
• 31:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker A: And they said, drink bottled water. Don't drink the local
• 31:45
  water.
• 31:45
  Speaker C: So the guys that went for the ice cubes, they get
• 31:48
  diarrhea.
• 31:49
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker A: They might go to a local restaurant that was off
• 31:52
  the base a little bit and that's where they got it.
• 31:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker A: Because those people that live there, it didn't bother
• 32:00
  them.
• 32:00
  Speaker C: Right. They're used to it.
• 32:02
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker A: They're used to.
• 32:03
  Speaker A: A little bit of filth.
• 32:05
  Speaker C: Yeah. You always hear about
• 32:08
  water in all these countries and all
• 32:11
  that's in it.
• 32:12
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 32:12
  Speaker C: So you were there for three,
• 32:15
  four months? Three months.
• 32:16
  Speaker A: I was there for 108 days.
• 32:18
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 32:20
  Speaker A: And I didn't go back.
• 32:22
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker A: Because there's other guys that wanted to take their turn
• 32:26
  and go and that was okay with me.
• 32:28
  Speaker B: Right.
• 32:30
  Speaker A: But while we were there on our.
• 32:36
  Speaker A: Security post, we secured the
• 32:39
  outer perimeter of the airport
• 32:41
  and we also secured the weapons storage
• 32:44
  area where the bombs that the airplanes carried.
• 32:47
  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
• 32:48
  Speaker A: And also alert, area where their four
• 32:50
  aircraft were on alert all the time. And they had,
• 32:53
  pilots that
• 32:56
  five minutes or less they could be on in the air.
• 32:59
  Speaker C: Is that for like air defense?
• 33:01
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 33:02
  Speaker A: But at the time where we were, there was
• 33:04
  no real action. But they may
• 33:07
  have had to go over to
• 33:09
  Afghanistan over there and
• 33:12
  they'd have to fly over to himalayas.
• 33:14
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 33:15
  Speaker A: And, in those,
• 33:18
  they called them, we had some
• 33:21
  areas that were, in
• 33:23
  towers.
• 33:24
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 33:25
  Speaker A: Lookout towers.
• 33:26
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker A: In the storage areas.
• 33:28
  Speaker B: Uh-huh.
• 33:28
  Speaker A: So you were up off the ground about 35ft and you
• 33:31
  had to climb up there and there were
• 33:34
  no porta potty
• 33:37
  in that area. It was a
• 33:40
  little further out towards the base. They had some porta potties.
• 33:43
  But it might take you 15 or 20 minutes
• 33:46
  to get somebody to come and get
• 33:49
  you out of that tower and get to the
• 33:51
  bathroom. So you either went before you got
• 33:54
  up in that
• 33:57
  tower or you
• 34:00
  were provided with a five gallon bucket with a lid and some
• 34:02
  toilet paper so you could still look out
• 34:05
  the windows with your binoculars
• 34:08
  and do your job while you're doing your
• 34:11
  job.
• 34:12
  Speaker C: That's awesome.
• 34:15
  It has to be said. So you
• 34:18
  do it into the bucket. Maybe not you, but whoever's
• 34:21
  doing it into the bucket, somebody's
• 34:24
  got to take it down.
• 34:26
  Speaker A: That guy that did it, he
• 34:28
  does it. You do it, you fix it, you clean it.
• 34:31
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker C: Wow.
• 34:33
  Speaker A: So if your relief guy came,
• 34:37
  normally there'd be two buckets there. So you always had
• 34:40
  one bring it back. But as I
• 34:42
  remember, so you're up there usually
• 34:45
  for about 6 hours. And
• 34:48
  then your relief would come and pull a
• 34:51
  six hour shift.
• 34:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker C: These kids at the high school,
• 34:55
  I don't think they can go more than 30 minutes without having
• 34:58
  to go to the bathroom. And I kind of want to just stick them in one of
• 35:01
  those towers and say, figure it out just to train them a
• 35:04
  little bit. There's a skill to be
• 35:07
  learned about holding your bathrooming.
• 35:10
  Speaker A: even in
• 35:13
  some of our outposts we had what they call
• 35:16
  dfps, a defensive fighting
• 35:19
  position, basically a foxhole.
• 35:22
  But it was big enough
• 35:24
  for two guys to maybe sit down and
• 35:27
  be comfortable on a stool.
• 35:30
  And then you're just above ground level
• 35:34
  and your body, you're down
• 35:37
  underground 5ft. And
• 35:40
  all that you can see is up above from your
• 35:42
  shoulders up, but you're looking out towards
• 35:47
  the outer perimeter of the base.
• 35:49
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 35:49
  Speaker A: So if you saw something suspicious, if you're looking,
• 35:53
  you were kind of hidden,
• 35:55
  camouflaged, and it was kind of
• 35:58
  bunkered up. I mean, if you knew what you were looking
• 36:01
  for, if you were a would be perpetrator,
• 36:04
  you could probably figure out where those were.
• 36:08
  But those guys also had a bucket, but didn't
• 36:10
  take them quite as long to get
• 36:13
  somebody to come and get them to the bathroom.
• 36:15
  Speaker C: Right.
• 36:16
  Speaker A: They still had one. And I
• 36:19
  was fortunate to have a
• 36:21
  supervisory job, okay.
• 36:24
  As a flight sergeant. And that was
• 36:27
  my job. They gave me
• 36:30
  a quad, an ATV. It was really
• 36:33
  nice and it had a nice basket
• 36:36
  and stuff on it. And I could carry water
• 36:40
  and just things to the guys that were
• 36:43
  out on post. And we did night shift.
• 36:46
  And I would use that ATV and I would go from post
• 36:49
  to post throughout the night and
• 36:52
  drive up to them, see how they're doing.
• 36:55
  And if they needed that bathroom break, boom, they could
• 36:58
  hop on the ATV and run down to the bathroom by a five
• 37:01
  minute ride. Come back, and I would
• 37:04
  stay there. and that's what I did all night, just go
• 37:07
  from post to post to post.
• 37:10
  and then the guy that's over me, he was back at the
• 37:13
  main, base tent
• 37:16
  where, our
• 37:18
  control center was.
• 37:19
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker A: And he was there. And then if I needed
• 37:23
  something, I just radio him. And sometimes
• 37:26
  they'd come out in a Humvee.
• 37:27
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 37:28
  Speaker A: And also got to run Humvees.
• 37:31
  Speaker B: Yeah. That's cool.
• 37:33
  Speaker A: Yeah. But we, secured the perimeter
• 37:36
  of the base because of the military
• 37:38
  activities. There were also, civilian aircraft
• 37:41
  that came in, too.
• 37:42
  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker A: But our military
• 37:46
  transport planes would come in with supplies,
• 37:49
  and so knowing they were coming
• 37:52
  15 minutes prior, we had to take
• 37:55
  a team to go out in Humvee,
• 37:58
  5 miles out on the perimeter and just
• 38:01
  be a lookout.
• 38:02
  Speaker B: Yeah. Wow.
• 38:03
  Speaker A: So when they came over the Runway, we were out
• 38:05
  there. If we saw something suspicious,
• 38:09
  don't land, that never happened while we
• 38:12
  were there.
• 38:13
  Speaker A: And, they would land the plane
• 38:15
  and they would unload it.
• 38:19
  And,
• 38:19
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 38:20
  Speaker A: The pilot would pull out his credit card and give it to
• 38:23
  the airport manager. He would come out and
• 38:26
  they had to actually pay
• 38:28
  to use, the US government had to pay
• 38:31
  to use their airport every time an airplane landed.
• 38:34
  Speaker B: That's wild. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker A: Because they were banking on
• 38:39
  getting, I imagine, the money from
• 38:42
  the military for just using their
• 38:45
  airstrip.
• 38:46
  Speaker C: You ever have any idea how much they were paying every time?
• 38:49
  Speaker A: Around five grand every landing.
• 38:52
  Speaker C: I mean, that's probably not even that bad.
• 38:54
  Speaker A: Well, of course, that's 20 years ago, too.
• 38:57
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's true.
• 38:58
  Speaker A: And that's what one of the pilots told me. He said, we're
• 39:01
  pushing about five grand every time we land to unload
• 39:04
  this plane. yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 39:06
  Speaker A: It's weird. They needed the stuff.
• 39:09
  And even though we were there to help
• 39:12
  them financially, too, with everything
• 39:15
  that was going on, I guess the property that we had the base on was
• 39:18
  probably rented.
• 39:20
  Speaker B: Interesting.
• 39:21
  Speaker C: that's all the stuff you don't think about.
• 39:23
  Speaker A: Even the base had, we had guys
• 39:26
  up in towers on each corner of the base.
• 39:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker A: And they'd be up there
• 39:32
  and they'd see people drive by and their old cars, their old beat
• 39:35
  up cars. That's the best they could
• 39:38
  do because they were a third world country, and you didn't see
• 39:41
  a car go by that didn't have less
• 39:44
  than five or six people in it. And some people were
• 39:46
  riding on the hood.
• 39:47
  Speaker C: If you're going to go, you're going to make your trip.
• 39:49
  Speaker A: You're going to make your trip. Worthwhile because they would leave the little
• 39:52
  village and kind of go into town.
• 39:53
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker A: and sometimes you'd see people out in the middle of night, walking, walking
• 39:57
  the town.
• 39:58
  Speaker A: And the farmers, they'd go out at night and do their
• 40:01
  farming at night because it was cooler
• 40:04
  being about 95 to 100 degrees at
• 40:07
  night. That's why we
• 40:09
  chose, our group chose to do night shift
• 40:12
  because in the day.
• 40:13
  Speaker C: That's why they all do training in Texas.
• 40:15
  Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And while we were
• 40:18
  in training, they had bottles of
• 40:21
  water. They would just say, constantly, drink water. Yeah,
• 40:24
  drink water. Drink water to expand
• 40:27
  your bladder and to hydrate.
• 40:29
  Speaker C: That's crazy.
• 40:30
  Speaker A: And they stay over there. There's plenty of water.
• 40:32
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker C: You made it through. You're back safe.
• 40:36
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 40:36
  Speaker B: Ah.
• 40:37
  Speaker C: How many more years did you do after that, before you
• 40:40
  retired?
• 40:43
  Speaker A: about twelve,
• 40:46
  I think it was.
• 40:47
  Speaker C: Yeah, that sounds right.
• 40:48
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker A: Let's see. Well, no, that was during 911, so
• 40:51
  I had just been in about,
• 40:54
  been in the air national guard full time.
• 40:56
  About five years. Four
• 40:59
  or five years? Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker C: When did you retire?
• 41:03
  Speaker A: In seven. 2007.
• 41:05
  Speaker B: Yeah. Wow.
• 41:07
  Speaker C: And you did, how many years was that?
• 41:10
  Speaker A: That was. I had four years active,
• 41:13
  in regular, Air force at
• 41:15
  Malstrom Air Force base,
• 41:18
  and then I was in the guard seven
• 41:21
  years, and then I went active guard
• 41:24
  for 20 years.
• 41:26
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 41:27
  Speaker C: So over 30 years.
• 41:28
  Speaker A: So, yeah, the four years and the, 20 years
• 41:31
  were active. And then the seven years guard also
• 41:34
  count for your retirement.
• 41:37
  Wow. On a point system.
• 41:39
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker C: That's wild. I haven't even been alive that
• 41:42
  long. That's crazy.
• 41:45
  well, do you have any other stories from your
• 41:48
  military time? or. I have some things that
• 41:51
  I ask everybody, but I don't want to
• 41:54
  move on from it. If you have more to.
• 41:55
  Speaker A: No, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.
• 41:58
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 41:59
  Speaker A: All the activities over there, being in a tent
• 42:02
  city in a third world country,
• 42:07
  you got to see some things you weren't used to. They say if you go
• 42:10
  to Mexico, you can see a lot of the same stuff. People
• 42:13
  kind of living out of.
• 42:17
  Speaker C: The. They dig the hole in the ground. That's
• 42:20
  the,
• 42:21
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 42:22
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker C: well, first of
• 42:25
  all, thank you, for your service.
• 42:28
  I don't say that often enough. had my whole life to say it.
• 42:31
  I don't think I've said it enough. But, yeah,
• 42:34
  it means a lot and it's cool to hear the whole
• 42:37
  thing because I knew bits and pieces and
• 42:40
  I kind of was an onlooker for, some
• 42:43
  portion of it. But there's a lot of moving
• 42:45
  parts.
• 42:46
  Speaker A: Yeah. And there could have been
• 42:49
  more that I might have missed, but, given time, I'll let you
• 42:52
  know.
• 42:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker C: It might be a part two. Who knows?
• 42:57
  so a few things that I ask everybody,
• 43:00
  and, we'll kind of end the
• 43:03
  episode with these is the first thing. And you kind of shared
• 43:06
  a bit about the toilet paper in the military,
• 43:09
  and maybe it's what you were buying, but what type of
• 43:12
  toilet paper do you prefer nowadays?
• 43:16
  Do you remember what you were buying when you were buying your
• 43:19
  own back.
• 43:20
  Speaker A: Then, thinking,
• 43:23
  probably the cheapest
• 43:26
  one.
• 43:26
  Speaker C: Fly toilet paper that
• 43:29
  was still better than what they were offering, huh?
• 43:31
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Really? Are you
• 43:34
  talking when I was single, living in a dorm?
• 43:36
  Speaker B: Sure.
• 43:37
  Speaker A: Or m. I got married,
• 43:40
  funds were tight, and. Yeah, you just buy the
• 43:43
  cheap stuff.
• 43:44
  Speaker C: That's right.
• 43:45
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker C: Now you guys have that ultra plus
• 43:48
  charmin.
• 43:49
  Speaker A: Ultra plus charmin. Oh, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker C: It's like a carpet.
• 43:52
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That's wonderful.
• 43:55
  Speaker C: The beautiful bears.
• 43:58
  and then,
• 44:01
  when it's on the roll, do you think it needs to
• 44:04
  go over, like, over the top or under the back? What
• 44:07
  do you.
• 44:08
  Speaker A: Over the top.
• 44:09
  Speaker C: Really?
• 44:09
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker A: Like a waterfall.
• 44:12
  That's the way. God,
• 44:15
  I load it. That's the way I leave it.
• 44:17
  Speaker C: Really?
• 44:18
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker C: You actually pay attention to do that.
• 44:21
  Speaker A: I've noticed that.
• 44:22
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker C: Really?
• 44:23
  Speaker A: That you can go to some places or go into a bathroom
• 44:25
  somewhere and go, why is it that way?
• 44:28
  And sometimes it's this way.
• 44:30
  Speaker A: So it probably depends on the janitor.
• 44:32
  Speaker C: So you actually notice that, though?
• 44:33
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker C: Really?
• 44:35
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker C: I'm indifferent, I think. It doesn't matter. So
• 44:41
  if I ever change it to your place, I probably
• 44:44
  ruin it for you.
• 44:47
  okay. from what I can tell, most people agree with
• 44:49
  you. I'm the outlier
• 44:54
  in the shower. Do you prefer liquid or bar
• 44:57
  soap? What do you go for?
• 45:01
  Because I remember growing up.
• 45:03
  Speaker A: yeah, liquid, because that's probably what the wife
• 45:06
  uses.
• 45:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker C: I remember growing up, you dabbled with the irish spring
• 45:10
  bar.
• 45:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that. Irish spring is good.
• 45:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker C: When you had those, did you ever
• 45:16
  carve them while you're in the shower?
• 45:19
  Speaker A: Oh, no, not while I was in the shower.
• 45:20
  Speaker C: But did you carve them at all?
• 45:22
  Speaker B: I did.
• 45:23
  Speaker A: I took a pocket knife out one time, just to
• 45:25
  see how it would move and how it would slice.
• 45:28
  How was it
• 45:31
  taking, like, a wax, like a candle or something, but
• 45:34
  maybe a little softer.
• 45:35
  Speaker C: Was just in the bathroom doing it, or you just.
• 45:37
  Speaker A: No garage.
• 45:39
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker C: interesting. what is your
• 45:43
  opinion on babs? How do you feel about
• 45:45
  babs?
• 45:49
  Speaker A: Maybe occasionally.
• 45:51
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 45:51
  Speaker A: It's good to take a good, warm, soapy bath.
• 45:54
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:59
  Speaker C: you got to shower first. I can't get past it.
• 46:02
  It's weird to me.
• 46:03
  Speaker A: Yeah. I haven't probably
• 46:05
  had a bath type bath in months
• 46:09
  or longer, but, yeah, that's
• 46:12
  probably good, relaxing.
• 46:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker A: Shower.
• 46:15
  Speaker C: Oh, you can share, too.
• 46:18
  What have you been doing since you got out of the
• 46:21
  military?
• 46:25
  Speaker A: Well, when I got out, I got a job as a parking, ah,
• 46:28
  lot attendant.
• 46:29
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker A: And,
• 46:33
  what was the other one? I think that was it. Oh, I
• 46:35
  worked for an office supply place. I worked for them about
• 46:38
  six or.
• 46:39
  Speaker C: Seven years after you got
• 46:42
  out.
• 46:43
  Speaker A: After I got out of regular military.
• 46:45
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 46:45
  Speaker C: Yeah. But after you retired?
• 46:47
  Speaker A: Retired from retired. Full
• 46:50
  military retirement, like I'm doing now.
• 46:53
  Yeah, well, I'd always
• 46:56
  like to. Tools, and gadgets
• 46:58
  and working on stuff like that.
• 47:01
  And I said, I'd like to just have a little
• 47:04
  job working maybe at Ace Hardware.
• 47:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker A: Or maybe at a sporting goods place
• 47:10
  who like to hunt and fish. So I said,
• 47:13
  you know, give it a try. See where it,
• 47:18
  you know, you're getting down to your last two or three
• 47:21
  months of your military
• 47:24
  days and, you're starting to think
• 47:27
  more about this. And so one day at
• 47:29
  church, this guy comes up and, Dan Beavers.
• 47:32
  And he goes, hey,
• 47:35
  I'm just getting to know you here at church a little bit. And I
• 47:38
  understand. Somebody tells me you're getting ready to
• 47:40
  retire from the air
• 47:43
  force, and you're probably going to be looking for maybe
• 47:46
  a little side know to
• 47:49
  supplement your income. I go, yeah.
• 47:52
  I said, I'm thinking about it. Maybe go down to Ace hardware
• 47:55
  and check it out. He said,
• 47:58
  don't. He says, I have
• 48:01
  a job for you. Yeah, I have the
• 48:04
  perfect job. I said, well, what is it? He said,
• 48:06
  well, first I'll tell you, the pay is good. You're
• 48:09
  off on weekends, which I
• 48:12
  never had for a long time. I didn't have holidays
• 48:15
  off, birthdays off,
• 48:17
  Christmas, New Year's, I rarely had
• 48:20
  off. He said, you'll have all those days off,
• 48:23
  and you don't have to work in the summer either.
• 48:29
  And, he said, I've already got the job
• 48:31
  laid out for you. You're in. I go, really? He says, yeah, here's
• 48:34
  my business card. Come up and see me as soon as
• 48:37
  you can, and we will set you up. So when you
• 48:40
  retire, you're ready to go.
• 48:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker A: And I looked at it and it was big sky, bus
• 48:45
  lines, school bus.
• 48:49
  Hey, you got the summers
• 48:51
  off. You only work during school
• 48:54
  days. This could work.
• 48:56
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker A: So I went up there one day and he showed me
• 49:01
  around. I go, yeah, let's do this.
• 49:03
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 49:04
  Speaker A: He says, as soon as you retire, you've got a place.
• 49:07
  Speaker C: How many years have you been driving bus now?
• 49:10
  Speaker A: 16
• 49:13
  years? Yes, 16 years you've been
• 49:16
  driving school bus? That's what I did as soon as I
• 49:18
  retired. I don't since
• 49:21
  seven. Do the math.
• 49:22
  Speaker C: That is crazy.
• 49:23
  Speaker A: Yeah, seven. I retired and I realized it was
• 49:26
  that long? Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 49:28
  Speaker A: I had 30 days off from, paid
• 49:31
  off from, accumulated leave from my other.
• 49:34
  And I went down there and he said, as soon
• 49:37
  as you're done with your vacation, you're in here
• 49:39
  and we'll start your training. That's wild.
• 49:42
  Speaker B: Ah.
• 49:43
  Speaker A: And they trained me up to be a school bus driver.
• 49:46
  And the day, I took my driving test and
• 49:49
  passed it, he said, I got something else to talk to you
• 49:51
  about. I go, what?
• 49:54
  He said, this could be full time if you want it. He
• 49:57
  said, because we have
• 50:00
  a bus trainer that has just
• 50:03
  retired and
• 50:06
  I would like for you to be my bus trainer. I
• 50:08
  go, oh, really? He said, you were
• 50:11
  involved with training. Weren't you in the air national guard at
• 50:14
  Air force? I go, yeah, I was a flight sergeant
• 50:17
  and I was involved with training a lot. He says, well, you're going
• 50:20
  to be my trainer.
• 50:22
  Speaker A: I go, well, you've got about 60
• 50:24
  or 70 other people in this company
• 50:28
  that probably have seniority and have
• 50:31
  experience that I don't have. He says,
• 50:34
  hey, I own the company. I know
• 50:37
  you. I know who you are. I know where you've been. He
• 50:40
  says, you're going to be our trainer.
• 50:43
  Speaker C: That's awesome.
• 50:43
  Speaker A: I go, okay, yeah,
• 50:46
  that's awesome. I said, I can do this.
• 50:48
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker A: He says, since you've just recently taken the test, you know
• 50:52
  exactly what they're looking for, how they test
• 50:55
  and what they're looking for. He says, I think you'll
• 50:58
  do a fine job.
• 50:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 50:59
  Speaker A: And here I am.
• 51:00
  Speaker C: There you are. Still, driving bus.
• 51:04
  Do you do any training for Albany or you're
• 51:07
  just driving now?
• 51:08
  Speaker A: They asked me to, but I didn't want
• 51:11
  those hours.
• 51:12
  I don't want those hours. I'm going to be semi retired now.
• 51:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker C: You're like me. M. You struggle to not be doing
• 51:19
  something.
• 51:19
  Speaker A: I've been there, done that. I know the stress is involved.
• 51:22
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 51:24
  Speaker C: well, cool. I wanted to get that because I
• 51:27
  didn't realize it was that many years, but that's a
• 51:30
  big piece.
• 51:34
  Speaker C: Do you have any bathroom pet peeves. Like, stuff that, when
• 51:36
  people do it and they stuff in the bathroom and you
• 51:39
  find it or you see it.
• 51:41
  Speaker A: It just gravels you well,
• 51:44
  they fail to flush.
• 51:47
  Maybe they used too much
• 51:50
  paper or did something and
• 51:53
  clogged it up. And you go in there and it's
• 51:55
  to the. Yeah, it's almost like
• 51:59
  Niagara Falls. And it's
• 52:02
  lots of brown stuff and toilet paper, and you just turn
• 52:04
  around and shut the door, whatever.
• 52:08
  Speaker C: You just walk away. the worst is when you're in
• 52:11
  charge of it, though. It's like, well, I can't just walk
• 52:14
  away from it now. I have to deal with this mess.
• 52:19
  You guys don't eat out?
• 52:22
  I would say you all don't eat out often, but is there anything
• 52:25
  that does you foul when you eat
• 52:27
  out?
• 52:33
  Speaker A: Not so much. I've noticed. No.
• 52:36
  I'm one that can eat just about anything
• 52:38
  and, do okay.
• 52:40
  Speaker C: Yeah, I'm thinking that maybe I got
• 52:42
  your digestive
• 52:45
  thing.
• 52:49
  You keep a little more vegetables in your system, though, than I
• 52:51
  do. have you ever taken a dark
• 52:54
  shower? Shower in the
• 52:57
  dark?
• 53:00
  Speaker A: I can't remember if I have.
• 53:02
  Speaker C: So I will tell you, I almost exclusively do
• 53:04
  this. I don't shower with the lights, on almost
• 53:07
  ever at our home. I just turn the light
• 53:10
  off and shower because, I don't know, it's. Something about
• 53:14
  it helps you wake up better.
• 53:16
  Speaker B: I don't know.
• 53:17
  Speaker C: so anyway, I started doing that at
• 53:19
  Corbin. Oh, that's where I learned it. Guy there
• 53:22
  was like, hey, dark shower, you should try it. And never went
• 53:25
  back.
• 53:26
  Speaker A: M. I don't know.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, give it a shot. You gotta be careful you don't fall
• 53:31
  down. I've almost slipped a couple of times.
• 53:33
  Speaker A: Yeah. And being an old person now,
• 53:36
  and, you can't afford to fall.
• 53:38
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's fair.
• 53:39
  Speaker A: So I probably won't be trying that one.
• 53:41
  Speaker C: have you ever eaten an orange in the shower or have you ever had
• 53:44
  a snack in the shower?
• 53:45
  Speaker A: no.
• 53:46
  Speaker C: Even as a kid?
• 53:47
  Speaker A: I don't remember ever having a shower as a kid.
• 53:52
  Speaker C: Eating the shower.
• 53:53
  Speaker A: I think mostly with kids we took baths.
• 53:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 53:56
  Speaker C: Do you ever have anything like toilet
• 53:59
  snack, bathroom snack,
• 54:02
  or was grandma not letting you
• 54:05
  stuff out there?
• 54:06
  Speaker A: Maybe a toy or something, but,
• 54:09
  no snack in the shower.
• 54:10
  Speaker B: Interesting.
• 54:13
  Speaker C: So I'm going to save that one.
• 54:19
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker C: First of all, have you ever heard of a waffle
• 54:26
  stomp?
• 54:27
  Speaker A: Waffles?
• 54:28
  Speaker C: A waffle stomp. I will describe it to you and
• 54:31
  then I will ask you if you've.
• 54:32
  Speaker A: Ever performed this okay, so, a waffle.
• 54:35
  Speaker C: Stomp is when you are in the shower
• 54:37
  and you cannot hold it, and you go
• 54:40
  to the bathroom, and then to deal with it,
• 54:43
  you stomp it to get it to go down the drain.
• 54:47
  That's a waffle stomp. So have you ever done
• 54:50
  that?
• 54:50
  Speaker A: Oh, do it in the shower? Yeah, I
• 54:53
  had done it, yes.
• 54:54
  Speaker C: Really?
• 54:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker A: Back many years ago when I was younger.
• 54:58
  Speaker C: Where at? Do you remember?
• 55:00
  Speaker A: I think I was in the dormitory.
• 55:02
  Speaker C: Let's go.
• 55:07
  Speaker A: There was nobody around, so I let it go in the
• 55:10
  shower. That's awesome,
• 55:13
  to be honest.
• 55:15
  Speaker C: Hey. The folks who
• 55:18
  listen to this show regularly know that I am currently
• 55:21
  sitting at three total in my lifetime, one of
• 55:24
  which did happen last calendar year. So
• 55:27
  that's all you need to know about it. We'll move on.
• 55:31
  Speaker C: so, the other option, and I'm confident that this is
• 55:34
  a no, but the other option that people do is they catch it and
• 55:36
  then they toss it in the toilet. And that, to me, is just a bridge too
• 55:39
  far. Yeah.
• 55:43
  That's a thing that people do. They will poop, but they get
• 55:46
  scared and grab it and throw it in the toilet while they're in the shower. I think
• 55:49
  it's insane.
• 55:49
  Speaker A: Oh, no. Never.
• 55:51
  Speaker B: Good.
• 55:52
  Speaker C: and then the only other big question that
• 55:55
  I have is,
• 55:58
  do you have any bathroom wisdom
• 56:01
  to leave people with if you
• 56:04
  needed to impart? You got two grandkids,
• 56:07
  you got a grandson. but if you wanted
• 56:10
  to impart bathroom wisdom, what would you say to
• 56:12
  people?
• 56:16
  Speaker A: I I guess just,
• 56:19
  from past experience of being
• 56:24
  going into a bathroom,
• 56:27
  maybe a public bathroom, and
• 56:29
  it's wet all over, because somebody
• 56:32
  just
• 56:36
  make sure when you leave, it's in as good or
• 56:39
  better condition than when you
• 56:42
  found it.
• 56:43
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's like camping. You got to leave it better than you found
• 56:45
  it.
• 56:46
  Speaker A: Just clean it up. Yeah, it's your stuff.
• 56:49
  Fix it.
• 56:50
  Speaker C: Yeah. I told Silas when he was kind of
• 56:53
  learning the know, little kids, little
• 56:55
  boys, they miss. It just happens. And I
• 56:58
  explained to him, I was like, listen, dude, you're going to miss.
• 57:01
  But the goal is for no one to ever see
• 57:04
  your pee. So if you miss, that's fine. Just
• 57:07
  wipe it up.
• 57:07
  Speaker B: Just clean it up.
• 57:09
  Speaker C: He doesn't do that, all the time,
• 57:11
  but, yeah, leave it better than you found it.
• 57:14
  That's great.
• 57:15
  do you have anything else to share with us before we go?
• 57:18
  And, I'll close it out if you don't. But.
• 57:24
  Speaker A: It'S a
• 57:27
  couple of things that you would observe back
• 57:29
  in my single days. In the military and
• 57:32
  basic training,
• 57:35
  guys would see who could stand back the
• 57:38
  furthest and landed in the
• 57:40
  urinal.
• 57:41
  Speaker C: Really?
• 57:42
  Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you can
• 57:45
  only hose it from
• 57:48
  two or three steps back.
• 57:49
  Speaker C: Did any of them? Okay, here we go.
• 57:52
  So, when I was in middle school, m I'm getting to know
• 57:55
  you. You're getting to know something about me. So, when I was in middle school, you remember
• 57:58
  Riley Higgins? So we were out at some
• 58:01
  bonfire with Joe one night, and Riley Higgins
• 58:03
  said, hey, let's see who can pee the highest on
• 58:06
  this shed. And so we all took turns
• 58:09
  going out behind the shed, trying to see who. Yeah,
• 58:12
  boys. And Riley came back
• 58:15
  and my dude had peed, like, 7ft up.
• 58:18
  Speaker C: And we're all thinking he's cheating. And he's like, no, you pinch
• 58:20
  it and let it build up
• 58:24
  and then you let it go. And,
• 58:27
  I've never tried it, but do you think any of these guys
• 58:30
  ever tried that?
• 58:31
  Speaker A: Oh, gosh, I don't know.
• 58:32
  Speaker C: It gives me the GB's thinking about it.
• 58:34
  Speaker A: I'm sure they have. Ah, man.
• 58:36
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 58:38
  Speaker A: Not my game, though.
• 58:40
  Speaker C: P distance competitions stay out of the
• 58:43
  game. Wow. Anything else for
• 58:45
  us?
• 58:48
  Speaker A: I can't think of anything.
• 58:50
  Speaker C: hey, if you do, though,
• 58:53
  it just gives us a reason to do it again.
• 58:57
  Speaker C: On a scale of one to ten, how weird
• 59:00
  was sitting in this bathroom for the last
• 59:03
  hour?
• 59:06
  Speaker A: five. Yeah, we'll go halfway.
• 59:07
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's not.
• 59:08
  Speaker A: I mean, yeah, could be
• 59:11
  worse. Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker C: At least it's not been used recently.
• 59:15
  well, cool.
• 59:16
  Well, I'm going to close out the show here.
• 59:19
  I'm not going to do all the plugs because I want
• 59:22
  to, leave something. But, thank you for doing
• 59:24
  this. yeah, thank you for your service
• 59:27
  again. And, I'm just going to leave
• 59:30
  folks with the reminder, to keep pooping in the free
• 59:33
  world. this is going to be coming out, either on or
• 59:36
  around veterans day, so thank a vet. And, the
• 59:39
  wounded warriors project is matching funds until
• 59:41
  the 19 November. so if you go
• 59:44
  there, they have a donor who is matching
• 59:47
  up to, I think, $100,000. So, if
• 59:50
  you have been on the fence with the wounded warriors, now is a
• 59:53
  good time to do it, because those funds get doubled.
• 59:56
  so do that, to remember and help those
• 59:59
  who have served, make this world a little more free and a
• 1:00:01
  reminder to keep pooping in the free world. dad, thanks for
• 1:00:04
  being here. Thanks for all you do.
• 1:00:07
  I'm going to flush one of these journals back here.
• 1:00:10
  this has been another episode of privy. Keep pooping in the
• 1:00:12
  free world. And now, as always, don't forget to
• 1:00:15
  flush.
• 1:00:18
  I was going to take those out.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker B: Before I do,
• 1:00:20
  it's.