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Legally Brunette: Mackenzie Shirilla · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host today, Emily Simpson with my sidekick
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Speaker 1: Shane Shane. First of all, I would like to say
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Speaker 1: that I am super super excited to do this episode. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I love doing all the episodes, but sometimes there are
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Speaker 1: things that come out in the news that everybody is
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Speaker 1: talking about, and this is definitely one of the things
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Speaker 1: that everybody is talking about. It is called The Crash.
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Speaker 1: It was new on Netflix a couple days ago. I
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Speaker 1: watched it. I watched it the day it came out.
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Speaker 1: You know, though, before we get into it, I just
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Speaker 1: want to tell you when I was watching it, I
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Speaker 1: already knew the story. I had seen it before, but
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Speaker 1: I couldn't remember where.
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Speaker 2: I had seen it.
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Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe I saw a twenty twenty episode,
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Speaker 1: or maybe I saw forty eight hours or something. Because
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Speaker 1: when they showed the social media clips and the story
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Speaker 1: it happens in Strongsville, Ohio, I was like, I've already
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Speaker 1: seen this. I know this, And then I was called
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Speaker 1: you and I was telling you about it, and then
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Speaker 1: I remembered you reminded me that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had watched documentary on it before. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: it's called well no, the YouTube channel, right is called
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Speaker 2: doctor Insanity. Yes, and there's no interviews. It's all bodycam
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Speaker 2: footage with the narrator. Right.
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Speaker 1: So I remembered when you told me Shane and I
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Speaker 1: had watched that on YouTube. They did Doctor Insanity did
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Speaker 1: an episode on this case, and that's how now I
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Speaker 1: remember where I knew everything from. And then when I
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Speaker 1: was watching it, which we'll get into a little bit more,
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Speaker 1: I remembered that there were some things that I feel
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Speaker 1: like are left out of the documentary, the Netflix documentary,
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Speaker 1: that were in the YouTube version that we saw on
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Speaker 1: Doctor Insanity. Anyway, all right, let's just go briefly through it,
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Speaker 1: give us synopsis so we all are on the same page.
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Speaker 1: It's about McKenzie Shirrilla. So this happened in Strongsville, Ohio
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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two. Seventeen year old McKenzie Shirrilla
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Speaker 1: deliberately crashed her car into a brick building at approximately
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Speaker 1: almost one hundred miles per hour, killing her twenty year
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Speaker 1: old boyfriend Dominic Russo and their nineteen year old friend,
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Speaker 1: Davian Flannagan. Both passengers died at the scene. Prosecutors argued
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Speaker 1: that the crash was intentional. However, Mackenzie's defense insists that
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Speaker 1: her POTS diagnosis caused the accident to occur.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit later about what that is.
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Speaker 2: I think POTTS.
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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what it stands for, but it's
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Speaker 1: some kind of condition where I think you have the
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Speaker 1: tendency to go crazy, well, not well, kill kill people
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Speaker 1: in the car, not exactly, but I think there's some
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Speaker 1: dizzy spells that go along with it. Anyway, as I
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Speaker 1: stated earlier in Netflix, documentary was made on this case
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Speaker 1: called The Crash, which premiered on May fifteenth. The documentary
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Speaker 1: revisits the July twenty twenty two crash and features interviews
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Speaker 1: with the families and friends of Mackenzie Sharilla, Dominic Russo,
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Speaker 1: and Davion Flanagan. It also includes the first ever interview
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Speaker 1: with Mackenzie Shirilla herself, which, by the way, when you
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Speaker 1: and I watched the episode we saw on Doctor Insanity,
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Speaker 1: there was no interview with Mackenzie Shrilla herself.
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Speaker 2: Oh so there was an interview with like an she
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Speaker 2: was interrogated.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, they interview her in prison.
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Speaker 2: Oh so there's as would you like to be on
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Speaker 2: this TV show? And I interviewed, yes, so we'll talk
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Speaker 2: more about that. Yeah. I know that was because when
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Speaker 2: I had watched the documentary on the case, she had
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Speaker 2: not yet been sentenced, right, Yeah, so you didn't see.
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Speaker 1: So this documentary on Netflix shows the trial, not all
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Speaker 1: the trials, some of the trial, highlights from the trial,
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Speaker 1: and then an interview with her from prison.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: The film has drawn significant attention in the day since
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Speaker 1: its release, and on May eighteenth, Cleveland nineteen News reported
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Speaker 1: that McKenzie's father was placed on administrative leave from his
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Speaker 1: job at Mary Queen of Peace School in Cleveland following
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Speaker 1: the documentary's release. According to the school's website, he is
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Speaker 1: the art in Digital Media teacher. I would assume that
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Speaker 1: once the documentary aired and and those parents.
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Speaker 2: Saw the things that he said, and they probably all started, well,
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Speaker 2: we'll get into it.
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Speaker 1: I feel like when we go more through the case,
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Speaker 1: but not only do we need to talk about true
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Speaker 1: crime and intent and whether she intentionally killed them and
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Speaker 1: all those things, but I think as parents, we also
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Speaker 1: need to examine her parents, because I think most of
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Speaker 1: the talk out there on social media has to do
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Speaker 1: with her and how she you know, intentionally drove her
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Speaker 1: car into a brick wall, but also the parents. Her
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Speaker 1: parents were interviewed for this documentary. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that was the smartest thing that they should have done.
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Speaker 1: They probably should have just kept quiet and not been a.
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Speaker 2: Part of it. Oh yeah, because what I saw, which
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Speaker 2: was the documentary I saw, was comprised of just like
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Speaker 2: bodycam footage and then maybe some social media stud the
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Speaker 2: animation to kind of describe, you know, like the accent
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Speaker 2: or something. So the parents were not cool when they
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Speaker 2: went to arrest her. I mean they were like they
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Speaker 2: because they had I'm skipping a little ahead. But when
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Speaker 2: they have her detained and kind of in the in
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Speaker 2: the back in an interrogation room, right, not not available,
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Speaker 2: and like she's not like the front of the police
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Speaker 2: stage or anything, and the and the parents are there.
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Speaker 2: They are demanding that she'd be released and then demanding
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Speaker 2: that they that she have a lawyer, and they're like,
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Speaker 2: she's eighteen, she can make an own decisions. She's eighteen,
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Speaker 2: she can make her own decisions. They're like, we're not
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Speaker 2: having you influencer one. But she's an idiot and wants
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Speaker 2: to speak we're gonna let her speak. So my point
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Speaker 2: of that was the parents were very heavily protective of her.
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Speaker 1: Well as parents should be when your child sungary, when
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Speaker 1: your child is arrested. I mean I probably would do
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Speaker 1: the same thing. The problem is is that in their interview,
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Speaker 1: the things that they say, the lack of accountability is
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Speaker 1: what is so glaring and what I think people who
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Speaker 1: watch it and go to social media.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's it. Wasn't the tone of like, oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh, that's my baby. I was, he's an attorney.
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Speaker 2: Where is she like? It wasn't like concern for her
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Speaker 2: kind of the moment that she's in and trying to
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Speaker 2: care for her. It was like, don't you lay a
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Speaker 2: finger on her, Leave her alone. She didn't do anything.
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Speaker 2: The dad even said she was a dumb kid, she
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Speaker 2: doesn't know anything. They're like, well, she's d eighteen, right,
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Speaker 2: she said. That was his last line of defense. He's like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say. I'll just say
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Speaker 2: she's an idiot. Well she is.
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Speaker 1: She is MCKIZI yeah, McKenzie. Shrilla grew up in Strongsville, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: This is northern Ohio.
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Speaker 2: These are your.
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Speaker 1: People, are these are my people. I actually just say
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Speaker 1: you got at Ohio. Just just letting you all know.
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Speaker 1: I flew home from Ohio last night, just got in.
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Speaker 2: So I was with my to Ohio with you because
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Speaker 2: there's something in the water there.
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Speaker 1: She is active on social media and known for frequently
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Speaker 1: posting about her personal life and relationships. She begins dating
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Speaker 1: Dominic Russo her freshman year of high school. He is
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Speaker 1: a boy from her hometown that is three years older
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Speaker 1: than her. The relationship is described by friends as on
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Speaker 1: and off, emotionally intense and unstable at times. So McKenzie
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Speaker 1: is seventeen and Dominic is aged twenty, and the relationship
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Speaker 1: continues to fluctuate. At this point, they have been dating
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Speaker 1: for four years and are now living together. Can we
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Speaker 1: just talk about that for a second. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Dominic has his own house.
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Speaker 2: No wonder why they didn't know. I wondered why the
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Speaker 2: parents don't know when these kids don't come home till
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Speaker 2: six in the morning or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Because at age seventeen, she's living with her boyfriends already
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Speaker 1: she had apparently this is the why I understand it.
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Speaker 1: She had graduated from high school already, but she was
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Speaker 1: living with her boyfriend, Dominic and Dominic's house.
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Speaker 2: Also, apparently Dominic has funds.
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Speaker 1: I mean he seems to be able to fund a
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Speaker 1: lifestyle because they talk about how McKenzie likes designer things
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Speaker 1: and Advisor clothes.
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Speaker 2: That would be my assumption. They know that when they
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Speaker 2: found the car, there was a scale and there was
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Speaker 2: mushrooms in there.
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Speaker 1: Right, I know, but I'm saying the scale.
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Speaker 2: Is that used to make sure you give yourself the
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Speaker 2: proper dosage. I understand it to distribute, its distribute. I understand.
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Speaker 1: So Dominic does well financially, but I feel like they
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Speaker 1: skip over that place. No, he has his own house, yes,
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Speaker 1: and she went to live with him. My question is
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Speaker 1: what parents allow a seventeen year old girl.
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Speaker 2: I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I know she graduated from high school already, but allow
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Speaker 1: her to go live with her twenty year old boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: The Sherrillas do exactly.
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Speaker 2: Probably like, honey, if you graduate early and you do
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Speaker 2: it to go live with your boyfriend, I can live
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Speaker 2: with your boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Mackenzie's camera role shows that they are often doing drugs
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Speaker 1: and Dominic is frequently buying her nice gifts. Mackenzie is
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Speaker 1: also closely connected with Davion Flanagan, who is part of
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Speaker 1: Dominic's friend group. Now, Davion was a big football star
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Speaker 1: the way I understand it, and then he had an
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Speaker 1: ACL tear, and I believe that pretty much ended his
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Speaker 1: hopes of playing college football. They interview Davion's dad in
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Speaker 1: the documentary, Dave and his sister, and I believe another sibling.
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Speaker 1: I think there were three siblings that were all adopted
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Speaker 1: by this couple, and I felt for the dad. He's
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Speaker 1: in the documentary a lot. The mother doesn't participate.
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Speaker 2: And I don't see it. And in the crash that
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Speaker 2: you saw, they did the police go to Davian's parents
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Speaker 2: to announce that the son had died. Because in this
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Speaker 2: documentary they did it was pretty It was pretty bad
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Speaker 2: to see. I wish I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they included that in this one.
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Speaker 1: I get mixed dream then I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: in there. They interviewed him and he was He was
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Speaker 1: pretty heavily in this documentary giving interviews, and it just
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Speaker 1: it made me sad because I felt like he started
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Speaker 1: hanging out kind of with the wrong crowd when he
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Speaker 1: had that injury. And I feel like if he had
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Speaker 1: never had that injury.
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Speaker 2: I never gone to that party.
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Speaker 1: Right, So this is July thirty first, twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: So we're getting to the act incident. Now, this is
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Speaker 1: in the very early morning hours, like we were just
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Speaker 1: talking about. They're all at a graduation party. There's several friends.
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Speaker 1: It's a big group of them. They all interview these
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Speaker 1: friends and the documentary as well. They leave the house
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Speaker 1: around five am. So McKenzie Sherilla is driving her Toyota Camray.
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Speaker 1: She has Dominic Russo in the front passenger seat that's
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, and Davion Flanagan is in the backseat. The
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Speaker 1: vehicles recorded traveling at extremely high speeds through Strongsville roads. However,
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Speaker 1: they show footage I watched it in the trial. They
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Speaker 1: show footage where she's actually driving around where she wrecks
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Speaker 1: eventually and she's going to normal speed. They show that
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Speaker 1: she has control of the car at one point that
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Speaker 1: she's methodically.
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Speaker 2: She signaled she was slow like normal and then bam right.
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Speaker 1: So then the vehicles recorded traveling at extremely high speeds
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Speaker 1: through Strongsville roads. According to investigators, the car reaches approxim
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles per hour before impact. It travels directly
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Speaker 1: into a brick industrial building you know they have.
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Speaker 2: And that was fast. Did you see the footage? I did.
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Speaker 2: They showed.
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Speaker 1: They showed the footage during the trial. They showed it
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Speaker 1: multiple times, and you know, I can tell you during
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Speaker 1: that trial, I think that was the first time that
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Speaker 1: a lot of people saw that footage. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it was released anywhere. And I think there were a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who were supportive of her thinking that
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Speaker 1: it was an accident that footag until they saw that footage.
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Speaker 2: Judge said that that footage, that piece of evidence, was
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Speaker 2: the most damning evidence. She said, any lay person watching
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Speaker 2: that footage alone would conclude that you purposely tried to
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Speaker 2: run into the wall. Right the car.
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Speaker 1: So the car reaches approximately, first of all, one hundred
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Speaker 1: miles per hour.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that is so well. And it's on a
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Speaker 2: road that didn't even warrant like like you couldn't even
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Speaker 2: no one goes that fast on that street. No, like
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Speaker 2: it was just like a like it went to like
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Speaker 2: a little commercial or business center right right.
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Speaker 1: So there was also no indication of breaking or evasive
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Speaker 1: movement before the collision. Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagun are
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Speaker 1: both killed instantly, and Mackenzie Shrilla survives the crash with injuries.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that a little bit though, because we
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Speaker 1: know that Mackenzie was the only one wearing a seatbelt.
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Speaker 1: The other two didn't have a seatbelt on. Here's my question.
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Speaker 1: Did she intentionally wear a seatbelt knowing that, first of all,
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Speaker 1: I Davion was collateral damage to her.
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Speaker 2: That's my thought. They had said that he was hitching
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Speaker 2: a ride to get home, and she and Dominic, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's the boyfriend thought, or you know whatever, had an
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Speaker 2: issue with him coming, and she was adamant about no,
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Speaker 2: and then he was more like, let's give him a ride.
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Speaker 2: So they fought a little bit, probably just for like,
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Speaker 2: you know, thirty seconds or whatever, and then eventually Davian
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Speaker 2: was able to get in the car. And so if
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Speaker 2: that's true, that kind of demonstrates like she's like, I
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Speaker 2: only want to kill one person.
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Speaker 1: Today, right, but now I'm going to have to kill
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Speaker 1: two because he's in the backside.
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Speaker 2: Hey David, and I'm trying to tell you, buddy, you
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Speaker 2: don't want to get any here. I'm going to kill you.
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Speaker 1: But my question is she has a seatbelt on?
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Speaker 2: Did she did? What was her intent with her own life? Right?
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Speaker 2: Was she prepared to die that day? Legally it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: I know legally it doesn't matter. But I'm really trying
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Speaker 1: to understand what was going through her thought process because
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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent convinced she did it on purpose.
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Speaker 1: And so if she did it on purpose, does she
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Speaker 1: know that Dominic doesn't wear a seatbelt? Like does Dominic
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Speaker 1: not normally wear a seatbelt? And she knows that, so
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Speaker 1: then she puts a seatbelt on, knowing that she has
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Speaker 1: a better chance of surviving and that he won't. And
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Speaker 1: then Daveyon in the back is just collateral damage. Who
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Speaker 1: happens to be back there?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. All I know is I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's probably better she didn't die so she can sit
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Speaker 2: in her prison cell forever.
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Speaker 1: Authorities initially treat the incident as a possible tragic high
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Speaker 1: speed accident. You know the bodycam footage of when the
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Speaker 1: police officers walk up to this car. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can hear the panic in the police officer's voices. It's
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Speaker 1: it's a that car exploded.
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Speaker 2: It hit a brick wall at one hundred miles per hour.
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Speaker 1: With no breaking at all, no none, none, zero, just
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Speaker 1: and it just disintegrated and blew up. And when those
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Speaker 1: police officers with their body cam footage or you know,
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Speaker 1: they're walking up to the car and they're talking and
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Speaker 1: they're saying to call the you know, emergency and now
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Speaker 1: all these things.
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Speaker 2: And there they see one body.
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Speaker 1: I think they see her first, but then they can't
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Speaker 1: even see the other two bodies at first. They have
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Speaker 1: to like really get in there and start pulling the
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Speaker 1: car apart before they even realize there's two other bodies
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Speaker 1: in there.
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Speaker 2: Did the documentary show how the vehicle was found? Like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: they came across it. I don't know. I don't remember.
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Speaker 2: There was a motorcyclist that rode by about forty five
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Speaker 2: minutes after the accident. They probably figured forty five minutes
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Speaker 2: because of the O because of the video cameras, right,
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Speaker 2: and they figured it. And then when he called it,
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Speaker 2: and so he called it, reported it and then the
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Speaker 2: cops come right and he comes by again later on
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Speaker 2: as a little harley Yeah, and he's just like like
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Speaker 2: kind of like, oh, what ended up happening?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was chill and they were talking to him
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Speaker 2: He was just more like, that's not a way to
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Speaker 2: start your Sunday. He was just like very like unemotional.
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Speaker 1: So you're telling me that they sat in that car,
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Speaker 1: but they were all in that car for about forty
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Speaker 1: five minutes before anyone arrived on the scene at least.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, it's forty five minutes from when he called,
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Speaker 2: and then it was another ten minutes before they were
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Speaker 2: able to arrive.
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Speaker 1: So they were in that car for about fifty five minutes.
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Speaker 2: The car, yea. And they might have died on impact,
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Speaker 2: though I imagine I assume that they did.
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Speaker 1: We know that she was alive, obviously, but incapacitated. Investigators
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Speaker 1: began analyzing the vehicle condition, the road environment, possible driver
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Speaker 1: impairment or medical emergency, I assume at first, and this
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Speaker 1: is probably what a lot of people were thinking, was
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Speaker 1: that there was alcohol involved because they were all at
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Speaker 1: a party, right, and they find they find I believe
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Speaker 1: they find mushrooms in her clothing, and then I think there's.
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Speaker 2: In the car too. There's pair of mushrooms in the.
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Speaker 1: Car, and then I think there's also marijuana found as well.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure the initial reaction is that this is
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Speaker 1: some type of impair driving, right, that they're all at
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Speaker 1: a party, that somebody is high who shouldn't be driving it.
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Speaker 1: It's a tragic accident with these three young people. Early
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Speaker 1: theories include that the accident was due to a loss
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Speaker 1: of control or a car malfunction, or some type of
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Speaker 1: medical episode, or a drug related crash, reckless driving maybe
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Speaker 1: that had gone wrong. However, early data begins to shift
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Speaker 1: the direction of the case.
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Speaker 2: What is that little black box from the car? You
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Speaker 2: know what it is? THEB two sensor. I love that,
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Speaker 2: you know that. I think most people do.
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Speaker 1: I had a note was called it, Well, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people you hang out with, Oh, I'm sorry, other people,
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Speaker 1: not housewives, regular people. Well, here in my in my notes,
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Speaker 1: it says it's called an EDR.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what that stands for? Now you're gonna
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Speaker 2: have to look it up.
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Speaker 1: The EDR, which is the black box of a You know,
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Speaker 1: I learned about a black box and a car back
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Speaker 1: when we did Karen Reid. I wasn't aware that there
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Speaker 1: was a black box in a car, kind of like
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Speaker 1: a black box and an airplane that actually records everything,
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Speaker 1: like going forward, backwards, reverse.
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Speaker 2: All those type of things.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that it did that, but I learned
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Speaker 1: that when we did the Karen Reid episodes, and remember
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Speaker 1: they pulled the information from the black box to talk
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Speaker 1: about how she had reversed at a certain speed and
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Speaker 1: things like that.
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Speaker 2: They to start adding like voice recorders in the cockpit
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Speaker 2: recorders in the cars. Now, yeah, so you can start
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Speaker 2: to see what happened in our last moments, because you know,
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Speaker 2: plane has a black box and a cockpit audio recorder, right,
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Speaker 2: two different devices? Right?
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're right, So that's Can you imagine if
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Speaker 1: we could hear the audio of what happened in that car?
17:41
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to either, but I tell you it
17:43
Speaker 1: would answer a lot of questions because I think that's
17:45
Speaker 1: what's so.
17:46
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the mystery. They would answer a lot
17:48
Speaker 2: of questions.
17:49
Speaker 1: Well, that's the mystery of this case, is what happened
17:51
Speaker 1: in those How many seconds did it take once she
17:54
Speaker 1: hit the gas at full throttle to go one hundred
17:56
Speaker 1: miles an hour towards towards a brick wall? I mean,
18:00
Speaker 1: was Davy on in the back?
18:03
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because weren't there kids that looked at their life?
18:06
Speaker 2: Three sixty some kids kind of we're looking at the
18:11
Speaker 2: tracks and kind of had they it looked like a
18:14
Speaker 2: little swerve and then right before and so they were guessing,
18:19
Speaker 2: of course, and it didn't really matter, but that maybe
18:23
Speaker 2: he was reaching over in the steering wheel trying to
18:25
Speaker 2: trying to move it, like don't don't hit the wall,
18:27
Speaker 2: you know, stop kind of thing. I mean, yeah, that's psycho.
18:30
Speaker 2: You're in a car and someone you're a passenger, and
18:32
Speaker 2: they're going that fast towards towards a building, and you
18:34
Speaker 2: have no ability to stop it. I mean, you know
18:37
Speaker 2: what's going to happen.
18:39
Speaker 1: The most critical evidence comes from the cars. Oh it's
18:42
Speaker 1: an event data recorder, that's what EDR stands for. It
18:45
Speaker 1: shows the accelerator pressed at or a near full throttle
18:49
Speaker 1: in the very final moments, no break application before the impact,
18:53
Speaker 1: and sustained high speed travel into the crash site. The
18:56
Speaker 1: prosecutors argue that this indicates that it was a deliberate
19:00
Speaker 1: troll of the vehicle, no attempt to stop or avoid impact,
19:03
Speaker 1: and an intentional acceleration rather than just panic. Now this
19:08
Speaker 1: when I was watching the documentary on Netflix. I remember
19:12
Speaker 1: when you and I were watching the Doctor Insanity episode.
19:15
Speaker 1: To me, it was very clear that the I think
19:19
Speaker 1: it was the other high school kids because you know,
19:21
Speaker 1: they all have each other on Life three sixty and
19:24
Speaker 1: I believe that they had evidence that showed that she
19:27
Speaker 1: had gone to that specific site previously, I think three
19:31
Speaker 1: days prior and kind of had driven around.
19:33
Speaker 2: She wrapped it out that area. She didn't go ninety
19:36
Speaker 2: miles an hour into a wall either when she was
19:37
Speaker 2: doing that.
19:38
Speaker 1: No, but she had driven around that area, right, She
19:40
Speaker 1: had kind of circled.
19:41
Speaker 2: It, right, and that area is not en route to
19:43
Speaker 2: Dabien's house. It's clearly she deviated from the path right
19:48
Speaker 2: it was, how so, it made no sense that she
19:50
Speaker 2: went where she went right. Now.
19:51
Speaker 1: In this Netflix documentary, they show some of these high
19:55
Speaker 1: school kids that are go in and they're talking to
19:58
Speaker 1: the investigators and they're kind of showing the Life three
20:00
Speaker 1: sixty and stuff, but they do not And maybe I
20:03
Speaker 1: missed it, but my takeaway from the Netflix documentary was
20:07
Speaker 1: that they did not make it clear that she had
20:10
Speaker 1: three days prior gone to that specific site and had
20:13
Speaker 1: driven that path kind of like a pre planning type
20:17
Speaker 1: of drive buyer whatever you want to cash it. And
20:20
Speaker 1: then I was thinking to myself, why would they leave
20:22
Speaker 1: that out because even when they showed parts of the trial,
20:25
Speaker 1: I don't believe that was shown either.
20:28
Speaker 2: That's important, and I think that's very important.
20:29
Speaker 1: I think that's such a huge important piece of evidence
20:32
Speaker 1: to show intent and what she was thinking.
20:35
Speaker 2: When they show that so and so bought the weapon
20:38
Speaker 2: on Amazon, it's like it's setting up the crime, right.
20:50
Speaker 1: So investigators reconstruct the crash using vehicle telemetry data, which
20:54
Speaker 1: captures exactly how a vehicle is performing, how the driver
20:57
Speaker 1: is behaving, and the immediate surroundings, the road layout, windy
21:01
Speaker 1: roads that would require navigation and impact analysis. So the
21:05
Speaker 1: findings showed that it was a direct path into the building,
21:08
Speaker 1: which we already talked about.
21:09
Speaker 2: There's no you.
21:09
Speaker 1: Said that there was a maybe on that Life three sixty.
21:12
Speaker 1: It showed a slight No no.
21:15
Speaker 2: I said, I don't remember how those kids believe that
21:19
Speaker 2: to be the case. They were looking at the tracks
21:22
Speaker 2: in the grass and they kind of came with that conclusion.
21:25
Speaker 2: Like I said, at the end of the day, it
21:26
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Legally, she still killed them.
21:29
Speaker 1: So they found that there was a direct path straight
21:31
Speaker 1: into the building. There was no evidence of swerving or correction.
21:34
Speaker 2: No hard breaking in the life three sixty. It was
21:37
Speaker 2: ninety plus miles an hour or whatever it was all
21:39
Speaker 2: the way till it.
21:39
Speaker 1: Hit the wall right, No skid marks consistent with any
21:42
Speaker 1: type of breaking zero and experts testified that this type
21:45
Speaker 1: of pattern is inconsistent with a typical accidental crash because
21:51
Speaker 1: if it's an accident, obviously everyone's going to a reaction.
21:53
Speaker 1: If it's a second before, right, it would break right
21:57
Speaker 1: nearby Cameras capture the vehicle traveling at high speed before
22:00
Speaker 1: the crash, and the footage shows no visible breaking and
22:03
Speaker 1: no reduction in speed before impact. We already talked about
22:06
Speaker 1: that security footage. It's they only they don't get the
22:08
Speaker 1: actual crash into the wall on.
22:10
Speaker 2: The Just as it leaves the frame, you hear it right.
22:14
Speaker 1: You see the car fly by an extreme speed, and
22:18
Speaker 1: then within a split second you hear the crash, which
22:22
Speaker 1: sounds like like a bomb.
22:23
Speaker 2: Like a plane crash.
22:25
Speaker 1: This used alongside the black box data, is used to
22:29
Speaker 1: establish a continuous timeline of acceleration.
22:32
Speaker 2: Okay, so I looked it up. Er, is the black
22:34
Speaker 2: box airbags go off? You know, braking or engine failure
22:40
Speaker 2: or something like that, like all those things obed two
22:43
Speaker 2: sensors more diagnostics of the engine. But I know it
22:47
Speaker 2: can also do like hard breaking and speed and a
22:50
Speaker 2: few other things. So it looks like the EDR is
22:53
Speaker 2: something that's more newer for this reason to do an investigation.
22:59
Speaker 1: They also, I know, they found a slipper that she
23:03
Speaker 1: had been wearing that day when she drove home at
23:04
Speaker 1: like five o'clock in the morning. I guess she had
23:06
Speaker 1: a prod of slipper or something that they found, you know,
23:08
Speaker 1: kind of lodged under the I think the gas pedal maybe,
23:12
Speaker 1: So then they they thought, okay, well, maybe her slipper
23:17
Speaker 1: got stuck on the accelerator or something, but.
23:19
Speaker 2: They did.
23:22
Speaker 1: No, it was just I believe it was just when
23:24
Speaker 1: they were storming, they were well, they did all the
23:26
Speaker 1: testing and the vehicle. They made sure the vehicle wasn't malfunctioning, like,
23:29
Speaker 1: they made sure the brakes were in working order, and
23:31
Speaker 1: that the accelerator and that there wasn't anything stuck, and
23:34
Speaker 1: then they found the slipper kind of lodged underneath the
23:38
Speaker 1: gas pedals. So then they tested that, but they just
23:40
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that it was.
23:42
Speaker 2: Just what's her story? Does she claim that she didn't
23:47
Speaker 2: see the wall or what her story.
23:49
Speaker 1: And she's been consistent. I got to give her a
23:50
Speaker 1: credit for consistency. She says that she does. She only
23:54
Speaker 1: remembers leaving the house that morning, and she has no
23:56
Speaker 1: recollection of anything after that.
23:58
Speaker 2: That's it. It's as easier and so that's her story.
24:01
Speaker 1: She stuck to it when she was in court and
24:03
Speaker 1: when they interview her again at the end of this documentary,
24:05
Speaker 1: when they interview her in prison, it's basically like, I
24:09
Speaker 1: just remember leaving the house and I don't remember anything else.
24:11
Speaker 1: And that is her story.
24:13
Speaker 2: That's what my dad said to say, and that's what
24:15
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and.
24:15
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sticking to, and that's what she says.
24:18
Speaker 1: So on November of twenty twenty two, Mackenzie Sherrilla is
24:22
Speaker 1: arrested and charged in connection with the deaths of.
24:24
Speaker 2: We Skip Halloween. Was she dressed up as she dressed
24:27
Speaker 2: months later three months later? Actually she dresses up as
24:30
Speaker 2: like a corpse. Yeah. I shed blood on her and
24:33
Speaker 2: makeup to look like a corpse and ripped clothes. Yeah,
24:36
Speaker 2: I'm expectedly have like a you know, I don't know,
24:39
Speaker 2: a steering wheel around her at or something. God I
24:42
Speaker 2: mean that's what she was doing.
24:44
Speaker 1: Well, I mean everything she did was tone deaf.
24:45
Speaker 2: After those those two reactions and attention.
24:49
Speaker 1: Well, I don't you know, they show a lot of
24:51
Speaker 1: her interaction on social media. She kept posting like her
24:54
Speaker 1: outfit of the day, and she kept trying to reach
24:56
Speaker 1: out and.
24:58
Speaker 2: She was saying, I can do all kinds of drugs.
24:59
Speaker 2: I'll never die, like I can't die. And she said
25:02
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and You're like, okay, you think you're
25:04
Speaker 2: invincible now, yeah, And I I know that.
25:08
Speaker 1: Davion's dad talked about her social media and how even
25:14
Speaker 1: her mom was in it where it was like someone,
25:17
Speaker 1: you know, some company reached out to her and said
25:19
Speaker 1: we want to, you know, send you something. And then
25:21
Speaker 1: the mom replied, oh my gosh, Mackenzie would be so
25:23
Speaker 1: great to get it would be so great to get
25:25
Speaker 1: a PR package. She's been trying to get a PR package.
25:27
Speaker 1: And this is after the murder.
25:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:30
Speaker 1: So I'm saying the dad of Davion Flanagan, when he's interviewed,
25:34
Speaker 1: he shows these social media posts where it's like the
25:37
Speaker 1: mom Mackenzie and her mom, I mean, she just killed.
25:40
Speaker 2: Two people and she yeah.
25:44
Speaker 1: She's out there trying to get collabs in pr boxes
25:46
Speaker 1: and you know she's just posting on social media and
25:49
Speaker 1: completely tone deaf and you know doing she's just out
25:53
Speaker 1: and about, you know, trying to be an influencer.
25:55
Speaker 2: And that's beyond tone deaf. She killed them. I know
25:58
Speaker 2: it's need be a little more sensitive. Mackenzie, you just
26:01
Speaker 2: killed someone. I mean, it's like there is no word.
26:04
Speaker 2: I don't know what's beyond tone deaf.
26:05
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you call it insanity, I
26:09
Speaker 1: don't know, but.
26:10
Speaker 2: I mean the mother, I mean the mother, those parents
26:14
Speaker 2: were totally on board with their daughter is a saint.
26:17
Speaker 2: I would never do such a thing.
26:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean the dad even makes some
26:23
Speaker 1: remark on this Netflix documentary. I don't remember exactly what
26:25
Speaker 1: it was, but Mackenzie got in trouble at school for something.
26:27
Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. People talk about how
26:29
Speaker 2: she was a.
26:29
Speaker 1: Bully, and you know, she wasn't nice, and she was
26:33
Speaker 1: she got in trouble and she was defiant and all
26:35
Speaker 1: these things. I guess he went to the school and
26:38
Speaker 1: she said I didn't do it. He was like, well
26:40
Speaker 1: that's good enough for me, and I grabbed her and
26:41
Speaker 1: I left and I took her home and I thought, wow,
26:44
Speaker 1: I mean that, just right there in this interview bite,
26:47
Speaker 1: right here in front of the world, millions of people
26:48
Speaker 1: watching this, you basically just said my daughter can do
26:52
Speaker 1: anything she wants to do and there's no accountability, and
26:54
Speaker 1: I will support her one hundred percent. And I'm telling you,
26:57
Speaker 1: these parents were so ridiculous.
26:59
Speaker 2: In this documentary.
27:00
Speaker 1: That's why he's on administrative leave. Because I think people
27:02
Speaker 1: watched it. They know he's a teacher at that private school.
27:06
Speaker 1: Those parents of these private school killers, we don't want
27:11
Speaker 1: this guy associated with the school. We paid money for
27:13
Speaker 1: our kids to go there, and so I bet they
27:16
Speaker 1: got a plethora of emails from parents saying he doesn't
27:19
Speaker 1: represent what you know, what our school is, what we're
27:24
Speaker 1: paying for. And that's why he's on administrative leave.
27:28
Speaker 2: Right His integrity is in question exactly.
27:30
Speaker 1: Also, there were cell phone forensics, so there was text
27:33
Speaker 1: messages that proved Mackenzie and Dominic's relationship was extremely volatile.
27:37
Speaker 1: Mackenzie had threatened to crash her car with dom in
27:40
Speaker 1: the passenger seat once before.
27:42
Speaker 2: They showed.
27:42
Speaker 1: They brought this up during trial, they said Dominic Russo's
27:46
Speaker 1: mother testified that Dominic. That's the boyfriend had called her
27:49
Speaker 1: and said that he was in a.
27:50
Speaker 2: Car to come pick him up.
27:51
Speaker 1: And when it picked up, because he was scared because
27:53
Speaker 1: she was driving erradically and threatening to kill him or
27:55
Speaker 1: something in a car crash.
27:57
Speaker 2: I think it was the other way around. He was
27:59
Speaker 2: dry being probably her car, because they said that was
28:03
Speaker 2: pretty typical, and she kept hitting him and he couldn't drive,
28:07
Speaker 2: and he was afraid to crash. She was such an
28:10
Speaker 2: obstruction to him by hitting him and causing issue and
28:14
Speaker 2: probably saying things that were you know, I.
28:16
Speaker 1: Think this is another specific event. I think that she
28:19
Speaker 1: was driving and she threatened to crash, and that's and
28:23
Speaker 1: he had called his mom and said that he was
28:26
Speaker 1: scared to be with her.
28:27
Speaker 2: This is another specific right.
28:29
Speaker 1: And the mom sent a friend. His name's Hench. I
28:32
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. I don't know if it's
28:34
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or what, but to come and find him
28:37
Speaker 1: because he was scared of being in the car with her.
28:40
Speaker 1: So they testified about that in court, and that was
28:45
Speaker 1: another piece of evidence to establish that she had previously did.
28:48
Speaker 2: They show the audio the It was a video clip,
28:52
Speaker 2: but it was record. It was a video showing another
28:55
Speaker 2: phone playing an audio clip. Did they show that, I
28:58
Speaker 2: don't know what was The boy friend's phone had like
29:01
Speaker 2: an audio message from her, and so I think the
29:06
Speaker 2: brother was doing his own little investigation off the brother
29:09
Speaker 2: after his brother died. He kind of you know, poked around, right,
29:12
Speaker 2: and there was an audio message. Basically she was saying,
29:15
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you, like if you don't come
29:17
Speaker 2: over you, if you break up with me, I can't live.
29:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you like that kind of stuff.
29:21
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's when she was trying to break into
29:22
Speaker 1: his house and she went and leave.
29:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a fifteen minute message. Yeah,
29:27
Speaker 2: it's like psycho. Yeah, they showed that in course, and
29:30
Speaker 2: he goes to a party with her. See how does
29:34
Speaker 2: that work?
29:35
Speaker 1: This is this is young crazy love Dominic should have
29:37
Speaker 1: gone away from that girl a long time ago, and
29:40
Speaker 1: Daveon should have never gotten in the car that day.
29:42
Speaker 1: And all we can do is say that that should
29:44
Speaker 1: have never happened, but it did. Yeah, and it's it's
29:47
Speaker 1: just a horrible, horrible situation and tragedy.
29:52
Speaker 2: You know.
29:52
Speaker 1: There was some of the kids that came in that
29:54
Speaker 1: were the associated with them that came in and were
29:58
Speaker 1: interviewed by.
29:59
Speaker 2: She was so I think she was so obvious in
30:02
Speaker 2: her craziness that it caused kids on their own to
30:07
Speaker 2: talk about it, look into it, and then bring their
30:10
Speaker 2: own testimonies to these investigators. Right.
30:13
Speaker 1: There was the one friend that came in I don't
30:15
Speaker 1: remember his name, but he was interviewed by the police,
30:18
Speaker 1: and he said, because I think the question comes down
30:20
Speaker 1: to why did dom continue to stay with her if
30:22
Speaker 1: she was so crazy?
30:24
Speaker 2: And another question I think is is do you think
30:26
Speaker 2: she tried to kill herself or this them like what
30:29
Speaker 2: do you what do you think of this accident?
30:31
Speaker 1: Right?
30:32
Speaker 2: And that's when he said.
30:33
Speaker 1: He said that he she she claimed to do voodoo
30:36
Speaker 1: on him?
30:36
Speaker 2: Is that what it was? He claimed that she did voodoo? Right,
30:39
Speaker 2: He claimed that she did voodoo. He said it kind
30:41
Speaker 2: of like like, oh yeah, she knows voodoo. Like he
30:45
Speaker 2: said it kind of like like you know, like she
30:47
Speaker 2: got a book and she learned how to voodoo voodoo
30:50
Speaker 2: on him and so he's trapped, yeah, and then she killed.
30:53
Speaker 1: Him and he can't get out, yeah, And that's where
30:55
Speaker 1: it's at.
30:56
Speaker 2: He said it, so like not sure you know voodoo? Voodoo? Right?
31:00
Speaker 2: Then two other kids came forward with Life three sixty. Yeah,
31:05
Speaker 2: and they showed look, ninety plus miles an hour or whatever,
31:08
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour, non stop, no hard break
31:12
Speaker 2: like they showed it. I think that's when they showed
31:15
Speaker 2: the trail of her going several times. You know, I
31:18
Speaker 2: think so too.
31:18
Speaker 1: But I think also there was surveillance video that caught
31:22
Speaker 1: her the three days before.
31:23
Speaker 2: Well it caused them to do that too.
31:25
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm
31:28
Speaker 1: telling you. In that Netflix documentary, when those kids are
31:30
Speaker 1: showing the three sixty and they're showing the path, they
31:33
Speaker 1: do not make it clear that it was three days
31:36
Speaker 1: prior and that she was scoping out the situation. Yeah,
31:41
Speaker 1: all right. So we get to November of twenty twenty two,
31:43
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Sherrilla is arrested and charged in connection with the
31:46
Speaker 1: deaths of Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan. Prosecutors charged her
31:50
Speaker 1: with two counts of murder aggravated vehicular homicide. The cases
31:54
Speaker 1: move forward as a serious felony case and adult court
31:57
Speaker 1: due to the severity of the allegations, despite her young
32:00
Speaker 1: age at the time.
32:01
Speaker 2: You know, five days before eighteenth birthday.
32:03
Speaker 1: Anyways, I actually loved to seeing her get arrested. She
32:08
Speaker 1: acts so surprised, like what, well, I think she was surprised.
32:11
Speaker 1: She was surprised though she wasn't acting. Do you think
32:13
Speaker 1: she thought she thought she got away with it? She
32:16
Speaker 1: didn't think they were going to arrest her. She's over
32:18
Speaker 1: there on social media making videos and dressing up like
32:21
Speaker 1: a corpse and getting collabse and doing outfits of the joke,
32:25
Speaker 1: smoking pot and rolling around in cash. She doesn't care.
32:28
Speaker 1: She doesn't think she's getting arrested. The defense argues that
32:32
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla did not intentionally cause the crash. Their main
32:36
Speaker 1: points include that it was a possible medical emergency related
32:39
Speaker 1: to Mackenzie's POTS condition. Pots can affect neurological functions, causing dizziness, lightheadedness, feigning,
32:47
Speaker 1: and severe brain fog. However, you know what, during the
32:50
Speaker 1: trial they claim that she has this you know, disorder,
32:53
Speaker 1: and that could have been a possibility, But they don't
32:55
Speaker 1: have any type of medical testimony about.
32:58
Speaker 2: It because she's history of it.
33:00
Speaker 1: Probably well, I think she was actually diagnosed with it.
33:03
Speaker 1: But I'm saying they don't have a medical.
33:05
Speaker 2: Why expert expert why.
33:07
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's part of why she tries
33:09
Speaker 1: to appeal her case, or she I think she tries
33:12
Speaker 1: to get I don't know if it's on appeal, or
33:14
Speaker 1: she tries to get a new trial based on ineffective
33:16
Speaker 1: council saying that her defense attorney should have had you know,
33:19
Speaker 1: medical experts to testify as to her disorder. So anyway,
33:24
Speaker 1: she goes to trial. We get to twenty twenty three.
33:26
Speaker 1: This is in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, and she opts for
33:29
Speaker 1: a bench trial, which I guess in Ohio you can
33:33
Speaker 1: have a bench trial or you can do a jury trial.
33:36
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were Mackenzie Sherrilla. Which is
33:38
Speaker 1: better for her a bench trial or a jury Probably
33:41
Speaker 1: a bench.
33:41
Speaker 2: Trial, I don't know. The thinking behind a jury is
33:45
Speaker 2: you might get a sympathy vote. Right, well, you know,
33:48
Speaker 2: I OJ wanted a jury trial because you want a
33:51
Speaker 2: football fan on there that's going to say, oh, Jay
33:53
Speaker 2: didn't do it right, right right? He won the Heisman Trophy,
33:56
Speaker 2: he couldn't kill his wife.
33:57
Speaker 1: I also read because I was looking up what the
33:59
Speaker 1: benefits are, and I read that if you have a
34:02
Speaker 1: case that's technical that has yeah, that is complicated or
34:06
Speaker 1: might have for judge won't let you that. It's better
34:10
Speaker 1: to have a bench trial because a judge is more
34:14
Speaker 1: able to decipher things than to really think critically about
34:17
Speaker 1: It's like.
34:18
Speaker 2: If there's like contracts or something really like that or
34:22
Speaker 2: you know, then they'll have a bench trial. But also
34:24
Speaker 2: you want to ben trap. You think like that judge
34:27
Speaker 2: is seen it all. Yeah, he's not going to care,
34:30
Speaker 2: like he's going to think like she deserved it, you know,
34:32
Speaker 2: if it's like an assault case or something. Yeah, So
34:35
Speaker 2: sometimes you want to bench trial if a judge isn't
34:37
Speaker 2: going to be so sensitive so sympathetic, Yeah, and he'll
34:39
Speaker 2: be kind of like right, thirty days, you're fine.
34:50
Speaker 1: So Mackenzie's case is heard in a bench trial, so
34:53
Speaker 1: there's no jury and this is at Mackenzie's choice. The
34:57
Speaker 1: prosecution argues that the crash was intentional, uncontrolled, not accidental,
35:01
Speaker 1: and the defense maintained that it was a medical emergency
35:04
Speaker 1: and lack of intent argument throughout the trial. They claim
35:08
Speaker 1: Mackenzie was not suicidal and would not risk her own life.
35:12
Speaker 1: You know, that's my only I'm one hundred percent convinced
35:14
Speaker 1: she did it on purpose. It was intentional, She wanted
35:16
Speaker 1: to kill her boyfriend. She was crazy, all those things.
35:19
Speaker 1: I still don't understand what she thought was going to
35:22
Speaker 1: Was she okay dying that day.
35:23
Speaker 2: As she thought, I'll put on a seatbelt and.
35:27
Speaker 1: Hope for the best, right, And it just worked out
35:29
Speaker 1: for her, right?
35:31
Speaker 2: But if not, she was that was the risk she
35:33
Speaker 2: was willing to take in order to kill her boyfriend.
35:37
Speaker 2: But they weren't broken up that night. They were at
35:38
Speaker 2: a party together. So why did she do it that night?
35:41
Speaker 1: Because I heard or read that he had been talking
35:45
Speaker 1: about how he wanted to get away from her and
35:47
Speaker 1: that he did want to break up with her. And
35:48
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that maybe when she left the
35:50
Speaker 1: car that morning, and we don't know what happened in
35:52
Speaker 1: that car when they left at five am and they
35:54
Speaker 1: were driving away, maybe it came up.
35:56
Speaker 2: Maybe they got in an argument.
35:57
Speaker 1: Maybe he said something like, you know, this isn't working
36:01
Speaker 1: out and then.
36:02
Speaker 2: Driving erratically, Yes you're driving with you? You know the
36:06
Speaker 2: two boys that came in with the Life three sixty
36:08
Speaker 2: to show her her activity, which was actually Davian's activity
36:15
Speaker 2: Life three six. Oh yeah, they were actually Davian's friends technically,
36:20
Speaker 2: like they came in as Davian's contacts his friends and
36:23
Speaker 2: showed that they had Life three sixty connected with Davian,
36:26
Speaker 2: And then I understand Life three sixty is well, you
36:30
Speaker 2: can have a setting, you have it always on or
36:33
Speaker 2: only on when you have the app open, right, And
36:35
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they were saying they believed Davian was
36:39
Speaker 2: on his phone, that's why the Life three sixty was working.
36:43
Speaker 2: And they're saying he was probably on his phone because
36:46
Speaker 2: they were fighting so much in the front two seats
36:48
Speaker 2: that he wanted to stay out of the whole thing.
36:50
Speaker 2: He just wanted to go home, so like he probably
36:52
Speaker 2: just buried his head in his phone and just played
36:54
Speaker 2: on his phone while they were fighting. Anyway, that was
36:56
Speaker 2: just a way of saying they were probably bickering in
36:58
Speaker 2: the phone, which is what you were wondering, if ye
37:00
Speaker 2: he's going on in the car.
37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously we'll never know what happened, but
37:03
Speaker 1: my theory would be they left that morning and that
37:07
Speaker 1: there was some type of argument between the two of
37:08
Speaker 1: them and that he had said something about leaving or
37:11
Speaker 1: breaking up, and then that's when she took the opportunity
37:14
Speaker 1: and that's why she went a different paths. She knew
37:16
Speaker 1: exactly where she was going to go, she'd already scoped
37:18
Speaker 1: it out.
37:18
Speaker 2: So you don't think she said after this party Tawara
37:21
Speaker 2: and iight, I'm going to kill him. It was more
37:23
Speaker 2: like she was on the verge and then he gave
37:25
Speaker 2: her another the reason that put her over the top
37:28
Speaker 2: to pull the trigger.
37:29
Speaker 1: I think she was obsessed with him and she wanted
37:32
Speaker 1: to think. Yeah, I think she was obsessed with him.
37:34
Speaker 1: I think she wanted to be with him. I think
37:36
Speaker 1: she wanted to marry him. When there are rumblings from
37:39
Speaker 1: him that he's not happy, that he's suggesting that they
37:42
Speaker 1: break up, that he's saying, you're crazy, I can't do this.
37:46
Speaker 1: Then I think her way of preventing him from ever
37:49
Speaker 1: being able to break up with her is this car
37:52
Speaker 1: crash theory that she has that she'll just take him out.
37:56
Speaker 1: And so I think that she pre planned it and
37:59
Speaker 1: drove her and knew exactly what she was going to do.
38:01
Speaker 2: I don't think she knew when she was going to
38:03
Speaker 2: do what. It could have been that she didn't want
38:04
Speaker 2: dabying in the car. Let Let's there's two scenarios. Either
38:07
Speaker 2: she got in the car with the plan, or she
38:10
Speaker 2: got in the car and then planned it right. Lynn thought, Okay,
38:13
Speaker 2: screw you, I'm going to kill you. Right. So either way,
38:16
Speaker 2: she wouldn't want Daby in there, she wouldn't want dating
38:18
Speaker 2: in there because she wants to be a dominic hall
38:20
Speaker 2: herself or whatever and talk with him. Or the other
38:23
Speaker 2: scenario was I'm gonna I have plans Dabian and they
38:27
Speaker 2: don't include you.
38:29
Speaker 1: I just think something happened in the car.
38:31
Speaker 2: I don't think made her think okay, this is it.
38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think she left that morning from
38:35
Speaker 1: that house thinking that she was going to do that
38:38
Speaker 1: as she tim, because they were fell asleep together and
38:41
Speaker 1: I think maybe there was even someone that said that
38:43
Speaker 1: they had like he like rubbed on her hair.
38:45
Speaker 2: And I don't think they got in a fight at
38:47
Speaker 2: that house, like they were cuddly.
38:49
Speaker 1: I think something happened in that car that triggered her
38:52
Speaker 1: and then.
38:52
Speaker 2: She knew exactly what she was going to do and
38:55
Speaker 2: she did it.
38:57
Speaker 1: So the judge this is in August of twenty twenty three,
38:59
Speaker 1: the version it comes out, and the judge finds that
39:01
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Sharilla guilty on all counts, including two counts of
39:05
Speaker 1: murder aggravated vehicular homicide and the court concludes that the
39:08
Speaker 1: crash was intentional rather than accidental. During her sentencing, the
39:14
Speaker 1: victims made impact statements. Christine Russo, who is Dominic's mother, said,
39:18
Speaker 1: I lost three children in that crash. Not a minute
39:20
Speaker 1: goes by each day that I don't think about my
39:22
Speaker 1: son as well as Davion. My heart is forever broken.
39:26
Speaker 1: Devine Flanagan Mackenzie. I guess I'm sure she was a
39:30
Speaker 1: kid that came over the house. She probably had an
39:32
Speaker 1: attachment to Yeah, this is Davion's sister. I thought she
39:36
Speaker 1: spoke very well for her young age. It showed her
39:39
Speaker 1: come up and speak. She asked that the court gives
39:41
Speaker 1: Shriilla the longest possible sentence. Natalie Sharilla, who is Mackenzie's mother, Okay, this.
39:47
Speaker 2: Was this was this is the statement of all statements.
39:50
Speaker 1: This was so embarrassing. I had a secondhand embarrassment watching this.
39:53
Speaker 1: She goes up to speak, and she spoke only of
39:56
Speaker 1: her daughter's innocence. She does not say anything about the
40:00
Speaker 1: other It's too late. She's already convicted guilty, I know,
40:03
Speaker 1: but she's I'm sure well, she hasn't sentenced her yet
40:06
Speaker 1: so I know, so the mom's pleading for the lesser
40:09
Speaker 1: amount of time.
40:10
Speaker 2: Shouldn't you plead Yeah, but shouldn't you plead on? Like
40:13
Speaker 2: like she has goals and she she just made a
40:15
Speaker 2: mistake kind of thing, like she can get back on
40:18
Speaker 2: the right path after she serves a sentence, not like
40:22
Speaker 2: you're wrong, you're on. And the end, the judge is
40:24
Speaker 2: the one that found her guilty. Yeah, so she's trying
40:27
Speaker 2: to tell the female judge that she was wrong. Yeah.
40:29
Speaker 1: She spoke only of her daughter's innocence. And when the
40:31
Speaker 1: judge asked why she would not speak about the victims,
40:34
Speaker 1: she gave half hard responses, saying they'll miss Dom dearly
40:37
Speaker 1: and called Davion a new friend.
40:40
Speaker 2: I tell you. When she called, the judge said to her,
40:43
Speaker 2: you're talking about your daughter, but you have you showed
40:45
Speaker 2: a remorse because you haven't even talked about the victims
40:48
Speaker 2: at all. She killed two people and you're you're up
40:50
Speaker 2: here giving right.
40:52
Speaker 1: And then she said oh yeah, yea yeah, and then
40:54
Speaker 1: she the mom, the mom back pedals and she's like,
40:56
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, we we love Dom.
40:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Davion, you know it's great. Yeah,
41:00
Speaker 2: She's like, God's great.
41:01
Speaker 1: And then she when she refers to davey On, she goes, well,
41:03
Speaker 1: and you know, Davion, I don't know, he's a new friend.
41:07
Speaker 2: And the judge was like, what does that have to
41:10
Speaker 2: do with Yeah, no sense she was gonna get anyway,
41:12
Speaker 2: But that sure didn't help. That probably made it worse.
41:14
Speaker 1: Oh the mother, I was like, I had secondhand embarrassment
41:17
Speaker 1: watching this mother. It was so cringey, and the judge
41:21
Speaker 1: was just hardcore reprimanding her. She looked like an idiot.
41:25
Speaker 1: She it was so embarrassing. She didn't do anything to
41:28
Speaker 1: help her daughter. All she did was make it a
41:30
Speaker 1: million times worse.
41:31
Speaker 2: She looked like a complete idiot. She proved everyone's understanding. Yeah,
41:35
Speaker 2: Mackenzie is the psychokiller, right.
41:37
Speaker 1: Mackenzie actually spoke and called Dominic her soulmate and said
41:40
Speaker 1: that the families of Dominic and Davion, I'm so deeply sorry.
41:43
Speaker 1: I hope one day you can see I would never
41:45
Speaker 1: let this happen or do it on purpose. I wish
41:48
Speaker 1: I could remember. And then she ends it with I
41:50
Speaker 1: wish I could remember what happened. She's sticking to that story.
41:56
Speaker 2: Why how would that help Mackenzie, What was she trying
41:59
Speaker 2: to say?
42:00
Speaker 1: Well, she's sticking to that she just doesn't know what happened.
42:02
Speaker 2: I mean, she's gonna stay. She's just trying to reiterate.
42:04
Speaker 1: She's reiterating that, you know, she I didn't do it,
42:07
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. That if I don't
42:09
Speaker 1: know what happened, I had no intent. Right, it all
42:11
Speaker 1: goes to intent. The reason she was found guilty was
42:13
Speaker 1: because she intentionally killed them. She intentionally hit the gas
42:17
Speaker 1: one one hundred miles an hour and intentionally drove into
42:19
Speaker 1: a wall. If she continues to stick to I don't
42:22
Speaker 1: know what happened, I don't remember anything, then there's no intent.
42:24
Speaker 1: And so that's what she's sticking to. Clearly her attorney
42:27
Speaker 1: told her that, and she is just her.
42:29
Speaker 2: Dad and her mom and dad. Right.
42:32
Speaker 1: So at the sentencing, Mackenzie sherrilla. It sends to fifteen
42:35
Speaker 1: years to life for each murder conviction served. Concurrently, she
42:39
Speaker 1: will be eligible for Pearl after serving the minimum term,
42:42
Speaker 1: which is estimated to be around twenty thirty seven.
42:46
Speaker 2: Did you see the sentencing that judge actually hand over
42:48
Speaker 2: the sentencing, Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, she said, you'll
42:50
Speaker 2: never get out. Yeah. I think I took it as
42:53
Speaker 2: like you're such a conceited yeah brat, Yeah that you'll that, yeah,
43:02
Speaker 2: you know.
43:03
Speaker 1: Then at the end, this is the part. So you
43:04
Speaker 1: didn't see this because you didn't see the Netflix version.
43:06
Speaker 1: But they do interview her. They show her come in
43:09
Speaker 1: to the prison and they interview her. First of all,
43:12
Speaker 1: she should be found guilty just bite. She has the
43:14
Speaker 1: most ridiculous bun in her hair. That bun, she the
43:21
Speaker 1: bun is a crime. She should be in prison just
43:24
Speaker 1: for the bio.
43:24
Speaker 2: Didn't get out on good behavior because she had an No.
43:27
Speaker 1: That bun is ridiculous. In her mirror, No, she does
43:34
Speaker 1: because she has makeup on. She looks nice. She put
43:36
Speaker 1: herself together so that that bus kill, that bun was intentional.
43:42
Speaker 1: She answers some questions, she doesn't really say much, and
43:46
Speaker 1: then in the end, I love.
43:48
Speaker 2: That the producers did this. They they all.
43:51
Speaker 1: Her attorney is present in the room with her. You
43:53
Speaker 1: don't know it when she's being interviewed because he's off
43:55
Speaker 1: to the side, he's not on camera. Because they ask
43:58
Speaker 1: her like, do you want to say anything else or
44:00
Speaker 1: something like that, is there something else you'd like to say?
44:02
Speaker 1: And she goes, no, I just want to really hammer
44:06
Speaker 1: down the no intent thing, right, like the no intent
44:08
Speaker 1: and then she she kind of refers to the attorney
44:11
Speaker 1: and no intent right, and you can hear him speaking,
44:15
Speaker 1: and she speaks to him. And they left that in
44:18
Speaker 1: there to show she.
44:19
Speaker 2: Has an attorney here help guide her, right exactly.
44:23
Speaker 1: And you know, I thought, this this girl and if
44:26
Speaker 1: she had, if she had a mother, a good mother
44:29
Speaker 1: at all, this mother would say to her, You've done
44:32
Speaker 1: a horrible thing and now you're going to pay for it,
44:35
Speaker 1: and you need to spend your time making yourself a
44:37
Speaker 1: better person. You need to figure out a way in
44:40
Speaker 1: prison where you can help other people, where you can
44:43
Speaker 1: show remorse. You need to write letters to these families.
44:45
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever it is. You need to join
44:48
Speaker 1: a group, You need to find Jesus, you need to
44:51
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But she needs to do something that
44:54
Speaker 1: shows that she has a soul and that she's.
44:58
Speaker 2: Trying to work on herself. To Chris Watts who killed
45:02
Speaker 2: his wife, right, pregnant wife and two little girls. And
45:06
Speaker 2: then the father in the interrogation room was very yeah,
45:10
Speaker 2: Chris Watt's father, the mother's father was very much like
45:14
Speaker 2: you need to come, like, you need to tell us
45:16
Speaker 2: what happened. This is your chance. Where are they? What happened? Like,
45:21
Speaker 2: let's just lay it all I don't remember his words,
45:23
Speaker 2: but he was like, just lay it all out on
45:24
Speaker 2: the table and let's move on. So now that's what
45:28
Speaker 2: this mother needs. That dad to say that you could
45:31
Speaker 2: tell he was I don't want to hear the answer,
45:33
Speaker 2: but he was wanted. He want the answer needed to
45:35
Speaker 2: be known. And because of him, they found her quickly
45:40
Speaker 2: and the two girls, which they might have never found
45:42
Speaker 2: because they were putting those tanks. Those tanks right, And
45:45
Speaker 2: so yeah, that father did the right thing exactly. This mother,
45:49
Speaker 2: she's awful.
45:50
Speaker 1: Right at the very end of this documentary, this is
45:52
Speaker 1: where she has the opportunity to change public opinion of
45:55
Speaker 1: who she is, to talk about remorse or what she's
45:58
Speaker 1: doing to better herself, or how she's going to change
46:02
Speaker 1: the world or help people or do anything good to
46:06
Speaker 1: show that she has any kind of soul.
46:08
Speaker 2: And she doesn't. No, She'll still be in there for her.
46:11
Speaker 2: Did did you see how she tried to negotiate with
46:17
Speaker 2: the whoever was interrogating her in the very beginning, saying
46:22
Speaker 2: she said, she said like, well, can I just like
46:25
Speaker 2: lose my license for ten years or something? Oh? That's
46:28
Speaker 2: what she was like, Oh okay, well this negotiate it.
46:31
Speaker 2: Oh youah, no problem. Ten years sounds good to us, Right,
46:33
Speaker 2: that's a fair deal. You want to talk about tone deaf. Yeah,
46:37
Speaker 2: two people are dead, and she's thinking about her driving
46:41
Speaker 2: as a punishment. And I think she said it in
46:44
Speaker 2: the tone of like that would also suck for her.
46:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like that, I'll sacrifice that, right, Like, I'll
46:51
Speaker 1: give that up, right, And I was like, you're not
46:54
Speaker 1: going to drive ever, Right, you're done. Just one last
46:58
Speaker 1: thing before we conclude the episode. But now, because this
47:01
Speaker 1: case is everywhere, it's all over social media. Now, I've
47:05
Speaker 1: seen so many audio clips of what do they call
47:10
Speaker 1: jail house recordings between her mother, Natalie, and Mackenzie. And
47:15
Speaker 1: once this documentary, we'll take number one on netilize.
47:19
Speaker 2: She sentenced phone calls with her.
47:21
Speaker 1: Mother, well the other several, but I'm going to talk
47:23
Speaker 1: about just specifically in this very recent timeframe, within the
47:25
Speaker 1: last couple of days again.
47:27
Speaker 2: Way after her she's right guilty, the.
47:30
Speaker 1: Mother called her and was telling her about how popular
47:33
Speaker 1: this documentary is and they are giggling on the phone
47:37
Speaker 1: and talking about how it's.
47:39
Speaker 2: Global and she's so excited that.
47:41
Speaker 1: Daily Mail picks it up the comments on social media
47:45
Speaker 1: and then normally Shane says, don't read the comments, but
47:51
Speaker 1: in this situation he would like Mackenzie to read the comments.
47:54
Speaker 1: But then she makes the comment and says something to
47:56
Speaker 1: the effect of I hope Kim Kardashian, you know, helps me,
48:00
Speaker 1: or something.
48:01
Speaker 2: Like they'll like what, They'll do a movie about her,
48:04
Speaker 2: and then Kim Kardashian will play her. I think, because
48:07
Speaker 2: does it because.
48:09
Speaker 1: Community wrongly convicted and wrongly convicted? Well, she's convinced that
48:16
Speaker 1: she's wrongly convicted and she's going.
48:18
Speaker 2: To keep convicted. Right. Do you think that she thinks
48:22
Speaker 2: she didn't do it like she's so crazy? Or do
48:26
Speaker 2: you think she's a sticking to her story and she's
48:29
Speaker 2: used to crying and complaining and then her dad and
48:32
Speaker 2: everyone saying it's okay, dear. That is a really good question.
48:36
Speaker 1: I always have this question about other people too in
48:37
Speaker 1: our lives when I say when I say things like
48:40
Speaker 1: do you think she knows that she's lying?
48:44
Speaker 2: Or is she just so delusional that she actually believes
48:47
Speaker 2: her own lives.
48:48
Speaker 1: Remember, we say that about a lot of people, So
48:50
Speaker 1: in this instance, it's the same scenario.
48:52
Speaker 2: Right.
48:53
Speaker 1: Does she truly believe she's innocent because she's just that
48:57
Speaker 1: delusional and she's had no accountability her whole life and
49:00
Speaker 1: she has horrible parents. Or is she absolutely lying and
49:05
Speaker 1: she knows she's lying, but she's just the skids math
49:09
Speaker 1: and she doesn't care.
49:09
Speaker 2: I think the way she's lived, she whines, complains, stop
49:16
Speaker 2: her fee, and she's so obnoxious that everyone around her
49:20
Speaker 2: price says okay, okay, okay, fine, fine, we won't break up, okay, okay, okay, fine,
49:25
Speaker 2: keep it okay, okay, you didn't do it fine, because
49:28
Speaker 2: they're probably so fed up with her that they always given.
49:32
Speaker 2: But in this case it didn't work. Right, Judge, isn't
49:34
Speaker 2: gonna be like okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, go away. No.
49:36
Speaker 1: I if I had to pick, I would say, I
49:38
Speaker 1: think she's well aware that she's lying, and she knows
49:42
Speaker 1: that it was intentional, And I just think she has
49:45
Speaker 1: no soul. I think she I think she is a
49:48
Speaker 1: soulless person that should spend the rest of her life
49:50
Speaker 1: in jail, and that's where she deserves to be. And
49:54
Speaker 1: that's that and she will be yeah, all right. Thank
49:57
Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening to Legally Brunette. That
49:59
Speaker 1: is our on the crash. If you have any further
50:02
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50:05
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50:07
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50:13
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50:15
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50:18
Speaker 2: I would say, let us know if you like her
50:20
Speaker 2: bun or not. Oh you is the bun the worst crime? No, no,
50:26
Speaker 2: the loss of the two boys.
50:28
Speaker 1: Exactly, But that bun is a crime. We can say
50:30
Speaker 1: that it is a crime.
50:31
Speaker 2: It is jealous.
50:32
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of her bun, of her hair team, of
50:35
Speaker 1: her hair, of her glam team. That's going to be
50:39
Speaker 1: my next confessional.
50:40
Speaker 2: Look, wouldn't be the worst one. It would be better
50:46
Speaker 2: than one. Or well, there was one bad one last year.
50:49
Speaker 2: Pull a but off like that.
50:50
Speaker 1: It's you all right, thank you all right, thanks for listening.