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The Late Debate | 9 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Free Leitch and filling in for
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond. Joe Hildebry coming up tonight. The Victorian Liberals
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  Speaker 3: come up with yet another way to shoot themselves in
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  Speaker 3: the foot. The Australian Tax Office commissioner he's in trouble
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  Speaker 3: for stereotyping supporters of the Collingwood.
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  Speaker 2: Football Club, would you believe it?
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  Speaker 3: And physicists have reverse engineered the Big Bang to work
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  Speaker 3: out how many years we have left until the earth implodes.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll have time to get to that story. But first,
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  Speaker 3: less than two years ago, fifty eight point nine percent
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  Speaker 3: of Tasmanians voted no to the Voice and to dividing
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  Speaker 3: Australians by race. So what do you think Liberal leader
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  Speaker 3: Jeremy Rockcliffe is promising to do if we elected later
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  Speaker 3: this month.
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  Speaker 2: Well you already know, don't you.
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  Speaker 4: We're very committed to reconciliation and very committed of course,
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  Speaker 4: to truth.
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  Speaker 2: Telling and healing.
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  Speaker 4: It just so happens that in our budget was key
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  Speaker 4: investments into closing the gap, but also setting up an
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  Speaker 4: Aboriginal lad truth telling and healing process by the establishment
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  Speaker 4: of truth telling commissioners. This was in the budget. The
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  Speaker 4: budget did not get through the parliament because Dean Winter
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  Speaker 4: forced an election.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, he's promising eight hundred thousand dollars to establish a
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  Speaker 3: truth telling process, which indigenous people insist must lead to
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  Speaker 3: a treaty because nothing says we're listening to voters like
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  Speaker 3: doing the exact opposite of what they just told you.
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  Speaker 5: Freya, I don't know what they're doing. I mean, the
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  Speaker 5: Tasmanian Liberals have also promised to establish a state run
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  Speaker 5: insurance firm, so I'm not sure if they're the Liberal
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  Speaker 5: Party or the Socialist Party anymore. Done there, it does
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  Speaker 5: seem strange, but fifty eight percent of Tasmanians voted against
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  Speaker 5: the Voice. If you look at specifically voters, it would
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  Speaker 5: have been much higher, So I don't know whose votes
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  Speaker 5: they think they're winning. And interestingly, this was supposed to
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  Speaker 5: also include a treaty. Thankfully they decide, oh, a treaty
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  Speaker 5: might be a little bit radical, but we're going to
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  Speaker 5: stick with the truth Telling Commission. If you want to
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  Speaker 5: know how a truth telling commission will turn out, look
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  Speaker 5: at the eurok Justice Commission. Report which was just released
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria, which included over a hundred recommendations that were
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  Speaker 5: really really radical, all about reparations and land back and
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  Speaker 5: things like that. And so that's why this is heading.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know who they think they're winning with this,
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  Speaker 5: but it's really stupid.
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  Speaker 6: I think Bruce Pasco identifies as a Tasmanian indigenous figures,
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  Speaker 6: so maybe they could start the truth telling with it,
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  Speaker 6: could be the first witness.
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  Speaker 3: As Freya said that the problem with this is that
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  Speaker 3: you can't have truth telling and then not have the
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  Speaker 3: next stage, which is, in light of all that's been said, what.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to do about it?
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  Speaker 3: And the Tasmanian Aboriginal Center are already saying this Truth
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  Speaker 3: Telling Committee must result in stolen land being returned to
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  Speaker 3: Tasmanian Aboriginal people.
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  Speaker 2: So that's not the intention of the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: Why would you start down a road the end of
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  Speaker 3: which you do not want to reach?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the thing is you can't unpick the past.
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  Speaker 6: And obviously the past has been a pretty horrible place
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  Speaker 6: for most people on the planet throughout history, and you
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  Speaker 6: cannot undo that until we invent a time machine. And
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  Speaker 6: even then we all know that once you go back
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  Speaker 6: in time and fiddle around, it always has unintended consequences.
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  Speaker 6: It's in the Simpsons, it's everywhere. People just do the research.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, ironically, the Tasmanian Aboriginal experience has been probably
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  Speaker 6: the worst of any in Australia. They're basically all wiped out.
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  Speaker 6: Some people call that genocide. I think that's probably a
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  Speaker 6: mischaracterization because it was in large part due to it
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  Speaker 6: was due to greed, it was due to fear, it
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  Speaker 6: was due to incompetence that I don't think there was
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  Speaker 6: a deliberate campaign of extermination that was sanctioned by the government.
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  Speaker 6: But people can argue about that, and that should be
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  Speaker 6: taught in schools. People should know about that. But the
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  Speaker 6: idea that I mean, I mean, we know enough about
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  Speaker 6: that already. There are historians doing work on that, have
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  Speaker 6: done work on that. It is in the public domain.
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  Speaker 6: All you need to do is put it on the
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  Speaker 6: curriculum and everyone can know this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this sort of.
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  Speaker 6: Thing of truth telling is theater, and particularly when I'm
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  Speaker 6: not convinced it's going to be the most impartial truth telling,
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  Speaker 6: and because by its nature, as you say, it's already
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  Speaker 6: pre determined. It's already a geared towards a predetermined results.
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  Speaker 5: And the Indigenous people that have the know how and
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  Speaker 5: the networking skills to get on these commissions for truth
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  Speaker 5: telling generally are not the most disadvantaged people. They're the
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  Speaker 5: elites who can and who can afford to spend the
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  Speaker 5: time I'm doing this stuff, and so what does this
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  Speaker 5: actually do to advance practical reconciliation? What does this actually
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  Speaker 5: do to materially improve the lives of the state's most
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  Speaker 5: disadvantaged people. And keep in mind, in Tasmania, it's not
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  Speaker 5: just Indigenous people that are severely disadvantaged. There are a
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  Speaker 5: lot of very poor Anglo Tasmanians that are also really struggling.
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  Speaker 5: I think the state Liberal Party down there needs to
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  Speaker 5: focus on helping the most disadvantage in Tasmania, whether they
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  Speaker 5: are Indigenous or not.
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  Speaker 3: Tasmania has got the highest proportion of Indigenous people outside
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  Speaker 3: the Northern Territory in Australia. At the referendum, they had
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  Speaker 3: the highest turnout of any state or territory in the
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  Speaker 3: country and voted, as I said, fifty eight point nine
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  Speaker 3: percent no. So for the Liberal Party to go down
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  Speaker 3: this track in order to be re elected. Just why
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  Speaker 3: would you bother voting for the Liberals. You might as
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  Speaker 3: well vote for Labor or the Greens, because that's what
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  Speaker 3: you're getting.
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  Speaker 6: I love the fact that Jeremy Rockcliffe complained that Dean
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  Speaker 6: win to then Winter has outflanked him on the right.
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  Speaker 6: We were going to do a truth telling commission and
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  Speaker 6: then that all that dastardly did Winter he came along
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  Speaker 6: and called an election.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's very silly.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's not just the Tasmanian Liberals that have misguided
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  Speaker 5: ideas about how they might possibly win back government. It's
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  Speaker 5: also the Victorian Liberal Party that seems to be struggling
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  Speaker 5: a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: This these days.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, we've seen the.
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  Speaker 2: Five years, last twenty years, the.
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  Speaker 5: Last twenty years. Of course, we've seen the Perzuto Deeming
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  Speaker 5: saga go on and on and on. Well it's not
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  Speaker 5: over yet, and that'll give us plenty more to talk
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  Speaker 5: about on this show for many more months to come.
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  Speaker 5: Now they are going to mediation in the courts and
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  Speaker 5: that is due to come back in September, so we've
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  Speaker 5: got at least another couple of months. And if they
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  Speaker 5: can't resolve the dispute in mediation. Well, then it's going
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  Speaker 5: to go through the full court process, which could drag
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  Speaker 5: into next year and even possibly hang over the state election.
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  Speaker 5: A group of conservative I think they're allies of Deeming
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  Speaker 5: and the Liberal Party as saying that it's against the
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  Speaker 5: party's constitution to provide the loan to John Perzuto because
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  Speaker 5: it benefits an individual with the party's funds, and so
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  Speaker 5: they're looking for the court to strike that down. They've
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  Speaker 5: already tried an injunction once a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 5: and the court rejected that, saying this is half banked,
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  Speaker 5: it's silly. So I don't know how far they're going
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  Speaker 5: to get with this one. But seriously, at this point,
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  Speaker 5: whether you're team Deeming or team Perzuto, can we just
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  Speaker 5: stop like nobody is winning at this point.
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  Speaker 3: So this story comes out just a couple of days
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  Speaker 3: after we reported that sixty percent of Victorians well thinking
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  Speaker 3: that the Labor Party does not deserve to be elected,
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  Speaker 3: don't believe the Liberal Party is ready to govern.
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  Speaker 2: You're thinking, oh, that's a bit harsh, But then a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of days later, the Victorian Liberals prove no, you're
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  Speaker 3: spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Were still's squabbling amongst ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: As Freya said, this is going to go to media
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  Speaker 3: with a court date set for September. If they can't
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  Speaker 3: resolve themselves, a trial would last months. Then after a
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  Speaker 3: trial there'd be an appeal presumably, so this could well
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  Speaker 3: go right up to.
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  Speaker 2: The next election next year.
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  Speaker 3: It's no way Victorians would vote for a Liberal Party
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  Speaker 3: that are squabbling amongst themselves. They would trust the devil
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  Speaker 3: they know rather than this rabble.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got to say, I have just never seen
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  Speaker 6: an organize a political organization with the capacity to destroy
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  Speaker 6: itself like the Victorian Liberal Party. And this is someone
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  Speaker 6: who went through the rud Gillard rub years and you know,
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  Speaker 6: I've still got PTSD.
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  Speaker 1: But this is just bonkers now.
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  Speaker 6: And the thing is that the issue cannot really go
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  Speaker 6: away as long as Pursudo is still in the Parliament,
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  Speaker 6: so he needs to sort of just remove himself, remove
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  Speaker 6: any trace of all of that pilava from the Liberal
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  Speaker 6: Party brand. And the fact that the Libs are openly
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  Speaker 6: saying that they can't risk him going because they're scared
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  Speaker 6: they would lose a by election in Hawthorne. Like for
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  Speaker 6: people who don't know Malbot Hawthorne is the most blue
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  Speaker 6: blood liberal suburb you could possibly imagine. It is just
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  Speaker 6: absolutely dripping in you know, dripping in pearls. And they're
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  Speaker 6: obviously scared that they could lose it to the Teals
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  Speaker 6: or possibly even Labor. Labor came really close last time.
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  Speaker 6: Again because the Liberal Party in Victoria is just not
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  Speaker 6: fit for purpose.
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  Speaker 1: It is a dead parrot.
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  Speaker 6: And and again the fact that we are still talking
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  Speaker 6: about is the fact that Less seriously talking about using
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  Speaker 6: one and a half million bucks worth of money that
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  Speaker 6: could go towards the next campaign. And again it's amazing
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  Speaker 6: to think that it's only eighteen months away now or less.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's next November. It has to be called.
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  Speaker 6: It has to run because they've got fixed terms. It
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  Speaker 6: is just bonkers that they are just pissing this money
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  Speaker 6: up against a wall.
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  Speaker 5: They're actually not pissing it up against the wall. This
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  Speaker 5: is an investing.
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  Speaker 1: It's an investment in the thanking.
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  Speaker 5: An interest on this loan annually, so you know, is
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  Speaker 5: the revenue raising exercise for the future of its right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think going the recond in terms of they're polling.
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  Speaker 6: It, I don't think I'll paid it back by next
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  Speaker 6: November when they're really going to need it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and again I'm told that it's not time.
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  Speaker 2: Though.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm a Victorian, it's not the squabbling that makes
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  Speaker 3: me not want to vote for them. It's the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they have put party pragmatism before principle. You've got
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  Speaker 3: a former leader who smeared one of his own colleagues,
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  Speaker 3: then kept this process going through court, refused to settle,
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  Speaker 3: and they're bailing him out financially because they're worried about
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  Speaker 3: a by election.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than saying he did the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 3: We support women's rights and so we're going to support
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  Speaker 3: more Eddeeming. Incidentally, she's one of the defendants in this
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  Speaker 3: case because if they're successful in demonstrating the money should
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  Speaker 3: not have been loaned to PURSUITO, she's a defendant because
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  Speaker 3: more Ademing would need to then pay that money back
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  Speaker 3: and put him into bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just messy on every every single side.
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on to AFL football, which is one of
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  Speaker 3: our favorite topics.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about you. Free you at AFL.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I was born in Hawthorne and grew up going
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  Speaker 5: for the Hawks. Followed it since I left Hawthorne at
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  Speaker 5: the age of seven. But now I'm right into.
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  Speaker 2: It, like you're a pretty good couple of decades.
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  Speaker 3: But who's not having a great run of it is
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  Speaker 3: the ATO Commissioner Rob Heffernan. He sends out a weekly
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  Speaker 3: email to the twenty thousand or so staff that he
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  Speaker 3: has under him, and email is mostly news, but there's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of personal banter, quite a bit about
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  Speaker 3: football because he is a Collingwood supporter, well knowing that
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  Speaker 3: someone sent him an AI generated meme of a Collingwood supporter.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see what it looks like.
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  Speaker 3: There, you've got a Collingwood and typically known as tattooed
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  Speaker 3: toothless ferals Collingwood supporters, and true to type, there's the
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  Speaker 3: Collingwood fan AI doll. You've got the big beer gut,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the false teeth ready to be put in,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the tattoo, and you've got the French fries.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. Well, someone sent him this meme as.
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  Speaker 3: A bit of a joke, and he replied in his
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  Speaker 3: weekly email that he'd received that it was a bit funny,
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  Speaker 3: and he wrote not a bad likeness, I must say.
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  Speaker 3: Now bear in mind, Rob Heffernon is a Collingwood supporter himself,
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  Speaker 3: but would you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: One of the staff at the ATO.
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  Speaker 3: Was very up teryotyping Collingwood supporters and made an official complaint.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that, but an anonymous Collingwood supporter went onto
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  Speaker 3: the ATO website and used their right to no form
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  Speaker 3: to demand that the emails be publicly released so people
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  Speaker 3: can see what the commissioner of the ATHEO was saying
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  Speaker 3: about supporters of them.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, James, Sorry, I have to stop him. I have
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  Speaker 6: to stop you right there. I have to stop me
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  Speaker 6: right there. Sorry, you're saying that Collingwood sport went on
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  Speaker 6: and demanded that the information. Are you telling me that
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  Speaker 6: Collingwood fans have learned how to read and write spelling.
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  Speaker 3: For apparently was atrocious? But yes, that's what happened, probably
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  Speaker 3: chet GPT.
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  Speaker 6: You're oh god, this is like Planet of the Apes.
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  Speaker 6: They got to rise up and enslaves.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe though?
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  Speaker 3: Someone would go imagined by this, especially when Effiden himself
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  Speaker 3: is a Collegwood support. He's laughing at himself, not everybody
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  Speaker 3: else exactly.
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  Speaker 7: That's what makes the situations so absurd.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not just the one out of twenty thousand
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  Speaker 5: ATO staff that complained. Also, a journalist from the Guardian
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  Speaker 5: who helped write up this story said, the ubiquitous loathing
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  Speaker 5: of the Magpies is rooted in century old tropes of
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  Speaker 5: the working class, and it persists despite neither the club
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  Speaker 5: nor its suburb today reflecting their humble origins.
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  Speaker 3: That's a journal who's never been to the football when.
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  Speaker 7: Worth the AFL.
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  Speaker 6: Look, we all know that Collingwood has become a hits
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  Speaker 6: to paradise, mate, we all know that's okay, we know
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  Speaker 6: that we just don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine that. But also this is the.
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  Speaker 6: This is the the incredible thing about that statement from
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  Speaker 6: Antoine is that that is also kind of that is
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  Speaker 6: also the most outrageously pretentious anti working class snide attitude
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  Speaker 6: that you can possibly have. So they're not saying, oh no,
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  Speaker 6: it's terrible that you it's terrible that you're all picking
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  Speaker 6: on the working class. And of course the people who
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  Speaker 6: actually are working class are not the ones being offended.
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  Speaker 6: But it's the pretentious snobs like this who don't. They
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  Speaker 6: don't say I let the working class a light, or
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  Speaker 6: some of my best friends of working class, they say,
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  Speaker 6: oh no, no, no, we're not working class anymore. It's okay,
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  Speaker 6: we've gentrified, we're not like that anymore. So they're the
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  Speaker 6: one sort of holding their nose and running a million
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  Speaker 6: miles away from the trope as well. And it is
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  Speaker 6: just so incredibly nauseating. As I said on the show
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  Speaker 6: last night. Incidentally, when we're talking about Carlton players who
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: are just as obnoxious, they're just calling players with money
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  Speaker 6: and a few extra teeth, Like taking the piece out
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  Speaker 6: of your rival footy team is like like cow. You
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  Speaker 6: would have to write for The Guardian to get offended
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  Speaker 6: by that, Like it is just impossible to think how
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  Speaker 6: you would have to, Like imagine I think the Ato
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  Speaker 6: didn't They recently have a thing where they finish at
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  Speaker 6: four p fifty three instead of five o'clock and I
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: think that was one of the eight X And they
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: they've got very progressive inclusive bathrooms and everything. But again, like,
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  Speaker 6: imagine being so bereft of real problems in your life.
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  Speaker 6: Imagine being so humorless, so up yourself, so pretentious that
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  Speaker 6: you could actually take the time out of your day.
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's those extra seven minutes they have per day
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  Speaker 6: between four fifty three and five pm and go and
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  Speaker 6: write a complaint about an AI generated picture of a
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  Speaker 6: toy that doesn't exist. And you wonder why people think that, maybe,
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: just maybe car bureaucrats are the hardest working people in
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  Speaker 6: the world.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't think that might be.
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  Speaker 6: Wait till the next round of redundancies come along. That's
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  Speaker 6: where we should have the full disclosure far the complaine.
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  Speaker 1: Right there you go.
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  Speaker 3: The other part of this, of course, is if you're
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  Speaker 3: a Collingwood support and they're doing very very well at
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the moment and have done for a couple of years,
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  Speaker 3: so you've got no reason to complain.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 6: All You can find that out by watching the pictures
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  Speaker 6: and everything. You don't even have to read about it exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go back in time to twenty twelve. You may
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  Speaker 3: or may not remember a couple of radio hosts at
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: TODAYFM decided to play a prank on the Royal Family.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: There's been a development in that story more than ten
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: years later, but just to jog your memory as to
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  Speaker 3: what originally went down, this is the prank that they
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  Speaker 3: played on the Royal family.
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  Speaker 8: The radio DJ who, along with his co host mel
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  Speaker 8: Greg ring a London hospital in twenty twelve, with the
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  Speaker 8: then Dutchess of Cambridge had been admitted for severe morning signals.
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  Speaker 8: The two DAYFM duo, impersonating that then Prince Charles and
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  Speaker 8: Queen Elizabeth unexpectedly nursed Jacyntha Saldana put the call through.
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  Speaker 8: Days later, the mother of two killed herself.
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  Speaker 3: So a prank that went horribly wrong. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: that was more than ten years ago. But today it
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: was announced that Michael Christian, one of the radio hosts,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: is suing os Stereo, his employer, after he was made
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: redundant from the station, claiming that after that prank went wrong,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: he was vilified, berated and bullied in the media, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Austereo failed to look after his mental well being, They
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: failed to rehabilitate his image with the public, and they
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: failed to support him generally. So he's now suing. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: should point out his co host she made a settlement
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: with the radio station quite some time ago.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: But what do we think about this.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Frail where twelve thirteen years after the event, he's now
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: claiming damages. So there's no doubt that it was tragic
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: for everybody. He was vilified, as was his co host.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Right around the world. People said it was a disgraceful
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: thing for them to do. They should never have put
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that nurse who then took her life tragically in that situation.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But twelve thirteen years later, is it valid to go
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: back and say, my employer should have looked after me better.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I need compensation.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely true that today IFM or the organization
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: that owns TODAYFM, did breach the media code at the time. AKMA,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: who regulates the media, found that they breached the code.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: They didn't ask the nurses for consent before broadcasting the
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: prank call, and if they'd done that, maybe this whole
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: thing could have been avoided because they would have realized, actually,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: this is a really stupid thing to broadcast. But alas
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: they didn't, and that's kind of how the other presenter
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: ended up settling. In the Fair Work Commission, they found
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: that they didn't provide a safe workplace.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: So I do get it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: If he'd done this at the time and said you
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: have not provided a safe workplace by allowing this to
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: go to air, even after concerns were raised about it,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I would have a lot of sympathy for him. But
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: now saying, over the last ten years, my career hasn't
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: gone as well as I would have liked to. I'm
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: going to blame you and this incident that happened over
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: ten years ago.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: I think that's a bit of a stretch.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure how much grand he has if he'd
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: launched this complaint at the time. Definitely a lot of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: sympathy for him, but again, he also participated in the prank, so.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: You know, I don't know. I think this is kind
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: of playing the victim here.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a different view.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I have to say.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: I remember this really, really well, and it was one
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: of those examples where you just see the sheer, unbridled
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: power of a frothing, angry mob and it is terrifying
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: and quite frankly, it made me sick. The people who
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: were trying to blame these two for the nurse's suicide
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I thought were the most obnoxious, holier than now superior
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: and the usual sort of Karens, the sort of people
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: who would write you complaints to the ATO about you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Collin would support a toy. It was absolutely disgraceful and
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: you sort of look back on it now, and everyone
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: I think would look back on it now and say,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: oh gee, that was a bit of a you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: it was clear, obviously, you don't just go and take
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: your own life because of one phone call. There are
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: other factors, obviously, and that's obvious to anyone at the
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: time with half a brain.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: In their head.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: But it was just the most vicious scapegoating of these two.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: I knew me a little bit. I spoke to Mel
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Greg who you know, would come on the show and
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: talk about come on Studio ten and talk about it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: I worked at the same company a year or two
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: after this happened, for a year, and it was just horrible.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: These guys were just made to walk the plank. They
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: were made to go and put their you know, put
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: their faces on televisns.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: They had.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Terribly sorry they were, and how awful sorry they were. Obviously,
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: I wrote, you know, I wrote a piece and publicly
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: defending them, saying radio hosts FM radio hosts do prank
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: calls all the time. They do it all the time
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: in Australia they have done for decades. They do it
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: all the time in every country in the world, including
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: in the UK. There is no way they would have expected,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: a little unk known that they would actually be pulled through.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: There's no way they could ever have foreseen that this
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: would have such tragic consequences, and yet all of it
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: was put on them. They are incredibly young, they're incredibly inexperienced,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: and it was just that social media mob mentality that
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: was and I remember really really well because it just
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: made me think, these sorts of people, these sorts of
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: crusaders who think that they're the ones on the right
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: side of history, or they're the ones pushing the hashtag
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: and you know, trying to make things trends so they
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: can shame people as much as they possibly can. These
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: are the people who really have blood on there.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: So given all of that, do you think ten eleven,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: twelve years later.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, Actually, I think clearly if you look
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: at the difference between what Mel did, which was Mel
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: was about to walk away from it, but that was
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: her radio career over. Basically, she just couldn't take it anymore.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: And he obviously decided he dreamed of this his whole
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: life of being radio thing, and you know, said obviously
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: said don't worry, we'll look after you. Presumably if he
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: doesn't throw anyone under the bus or make life difficult
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: for them. And that's cool too, that's fine. Too, But
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: when they then just decide it's actually no longer expedient
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: for us to on her outside of the bargain because
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: everything's blown over, which is obviously what he feels has happened.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: Maybe they've got another side of the story. I do
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: think he's got the right feel a little bit pissed
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: off because whenever his kids google his name, or whenever
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: you know, anyone looks up thinking that is what they
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: are going to see, and that is not his fault
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: and he shouldn't have to wear the consprace.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, tragic, tragic prank call gone incredibly wrong. Well, something
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: else that's going very wrong is the Earth Frequency Festival.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: This is an electronic techno festival, but now it's defending
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: itself over allegations of anti Semitism. The organizer of the
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: electronic music festival basically has asked all the major bands
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: participating in the festival to sign a pledge that it
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: calls an ethical artist policy. Except when you look at
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: what exactly this ethical artist policy is requiring the bands
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: to commit to, it's actually just pro Palestinian propaganda. It's
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: all about building an apart type free, anti genocide culture,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: and it was developed in consultation with Palestinians. Now, there
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: was an Israeli group called the Infected Mushroom group. They
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: do techno music, Infected Mushroom very timely for this week
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: with the Aaron Pattison case. But they said, no, we're
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: not going to sign this pledge that is extremely pro Palestine,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: anti Israel. And so they've said they are going to
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: pull out of the festival. And then the organizer, the
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: drafter of this pledge, who is the chair of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Northern Rivers Palestine Action Group, said this is a win
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: for BDS, the boycott's investment and sanctions movement, And that's
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: the fundamental thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: They can say this is pro Palestinian, but if it
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: is so biased, so anti Israel, that no Jewish group
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: in good conscience could participate because they would never sign
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: this pledge, then I think that crosses the line from
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: just being anti Zionists to being anti Semitic. And then
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: the fact that they celebrated the Jews not attending.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Come on, so this music.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Festival, Joe, they wanted to create a safe space quote
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: for those who don't support human rights abuses, and so
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: That would probably be pretty much everyone in a.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Hey, what about the people who do support human rights abuses?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Where's our festival? Where do where go? Splendor in the grass.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the socialism unfair coming up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: It's like one of those signs in my sunburn says
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: racism not welcome. I have to keep stopping the car
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: and turning around. And I was going to be racist today,
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: but now I've said a sign saying racism not welcome.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Before you can put a let down.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: At this festival, you have to sign a document saying
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you reject racism, you reject apartheid, and you reject genocide.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And if you don't reject genocide, you can't perform it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: That The clue is in those things. Isn't it racism, apartheid?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Hang on a second, Jennies, I know what you're talking
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: about now. And the fact that it was developed in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: consultation with Palestinian communities and it was put together by
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: someone who heads up the Northern Ruin's Friends of Palestine
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: group should have been a massive hint.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Why why was it develop the start?
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I was developed in front of you know, in consultation
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: with you know, also because you know who else has
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: a bit of experience of genocide for Jews. So I
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: wasn't it develt with you know, say the Executive Council
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: of Australian Jury, what about Rwanda and Burundi they experienced
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: a genocide? What about Kosovo?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: While now that this has made the media, the organizers
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: of the festival have added to the pledge that you
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: oppose anti Semitism and all forms of oppression, and they said, quote,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it didn't quite hit the mark.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: The message didn't land as we intended.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I would argue the message landed exactly as they intended.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's just that they got caught. Now they're busy rewriting.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: The poople exactly. And this is what frustrates me so much.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: The arts have been completely hijacked by radical activists. We
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: saw this at the Glastonbury Music Festival where we heard
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: chance of death to the IDF and thousands of young
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: people just going along with this incitement to violence. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: it's really sad because the Jewish community historically have been
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: massive sponsors of the arts and very artistic obviously lots
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: of great Israelian Jewish band and who have now been
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: marginalized from the spaces in the industry that they've helped create.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: But don't worry, they stand against anti Semitism, So maybe
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: we should just retract all of this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: But if it didn't hit the mark, why is the
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: guy who drafted the statement exactly hailing as a win
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: the fact that a win for boycott, divestments and sanctions
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: movement that the only Israeli at left?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Which rates the question?
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Did he draft the policy just to get rid of
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: them because he didn't want them there and in doing
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: so and them going and him describing them going as
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: a win, is that not a.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Form of ethnic cleansing?
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: Just saying maybe people who are sort of complaining about
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: all this genocide or this apartheid, all this racism, maybe
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: they're looking in the wrong direction. Maybe it's kind of
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: your own.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Well, if you have to see you can't escape crazy
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Left his music festivals, you can always get some peace
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and quiet at your local university. Actually, no, even the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: universities who infested with Left. The Socialism twenty twenty five
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: conference is happening in the US at the moment.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It'll happen here in Sydney in.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: August, But university professors have been talking about the fact
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: that the only reason they are employed at universities despite
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the fact they regard these universities as helping to uphold
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the colony. But they work there anyway because it's an
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: opportunity to a mass power and use the university money
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to destroy the university. Have listened to Professor Iman Abdali
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: talking about why she works at the University of Chicago.
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: The University of Chicago it's evil, like, you know, it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: a colonial landlord, Like why would I put any of
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: my political energy into this space? And I kind of
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: had a little bit of disdain for for like people
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: who spend a lot of time doing that and the
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: genocide really collapsed that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: She goes on to say, the reason she decided to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: rem main working at the university is because it's a
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: wonderful place to a mass power quote unquote. She has
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: at the university access to thousands of young people that
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: she can mobilize for her favorite leftish fetishes. This is
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: an admission, Joe, of many parents fear if I send
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: my kids to a local university, they're going to be
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: indoctrinated by professors who are not there to educate, They're
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: there to promote propaganda.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: She's sang the quiet part out loud.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: It is amazing, and you do. You look at you think,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: how on earth is this person a professor of anything?
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: And then we have as an example of her fine
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: academic work, James and Freyer a paper called Walking the
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Orientalism Tightrope How Muslim Americans construct their gender ideologies. You
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: just know it's kind of in good Dadja, Okay, you're ready.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: Abstract political and popular tropes portray Muslims as a monolithically,
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: uniquely and inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, a phenomenon of which
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Muslims are acutely aware. This study asks whether and how
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: islamophobic tropes influence the Muslim's gender ideologies. Using life history
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: interviews with Muslim Americans, we find a diversity of gender beliefs,
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: challenging the discourses that frame Muslim's gender ideologies is monolithic.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Four major typologies emerge in our data. Loyal, patriarchal reactionies,
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: critical guarutarians, and performance to galitarians. I can't wait till
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: she brings this up at the next ISIS meeting. These
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: beliefs are multifacet are composed of a dialogue logic exchange
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: between beliefs towards gener relations perceptions of Islamic doctrine and
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: negotiations with what we call the Orientalist gaze. Each group
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: navigates how their ideas about gender fit into our challenge
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: a broader society that is scrutinizing Muslims, and each group
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: articulates their gender beliefs through and against Islamophobic discourse, a
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: process akin to walking in Orientalism typewrite.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: That's the abstract that's meant to be the clear and concise.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Plot enroll in.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: It's so crazy, though, because this is what conservatives have
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: been warning about for decades, the long march through the institutions,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and now the left doesn't.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: Even try to hide it. They're openly gloating about it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: So Trump defund these universities now, and I fear it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: the same thing in Australia as well.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think she could make a great breakdownswer Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: But another crazy lefty that we've talked a fair bit
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: about on this show is the Democrat nominee for the
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: mayor of New York, Zorhan mum Dani. Some of his
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: radical socialist policies include city run grocery stores, higher taxation.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: He's said billionaires just shouldn't exist full stop. But what
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: is so perplexing about the case of Zorai Mumdani is
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: that one in three of the wealthiest residents of New
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: York actually supported him. The people who he says should
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: not exist, the millionaires he is waging war against, surprisingly
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: supported Mamdani in significant numbers. He's got a group called
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the Mamdani Millionaires, comprised of young venture capitalists and law
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: firms who've donated surprisingly large amounts to his campaign thus far.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: And what really gets me is one of these venture capitalists,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: twenty seven year old young urban professionals, said, you know,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: I just think we should pay our fair share of tax.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Sure you should, but give.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Your money away voluntarily, that is the moral thing to do.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Voting for socialism will only hurt the city. So I
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: don't know what it is with these self loathing rich people.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: If you feel so convicted about your obscene levels of wealth,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: there's an easy way to fix that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Give it to us, well, take it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: It's self loathing. And where did they learn to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: so self loathing? University? Maybe these are not just millionaires.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Typically they are young millionaires, as you said, who have
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: made their money through the tech industry and now using
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: their money to promote socialism.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Would you believe?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Jd Vance points out the contradictions not just with these
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: supporters of Mandami who are millionaires, but with the left
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: in general.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And jd Vance points out that he used to.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Think the inherent contradictions within the left would cause the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: left to come undone, and yet strangely, the left just
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: keeps growing and growing in strength. This is an interesting
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: little monologue he gives, and then he answers the questions
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to why the contradictions within leftism don't actually matter to leftists.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: I may not speak for many of you, but I
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: was once comforted by these contradictions within the modern left.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: How could privilege whites march around with a straight feast
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: to crying white privilege? How could progressives pretend to love
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: conservative Muslims despite those Muslims views on gender and sexuality.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: But the answer is obvious if you think about it,
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: and it's a very very dangerous and very sad answer.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The radicals of the far.
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: Left they don't need a unifying ideology of what they're for,
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: because they know very well what they're against.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: And so the unifying thing amongst leftists, Joe he says,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: is hate. They hate the West, they hate conservatism, they
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: hate tradition. They don't have a vision for the future.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: They simply want to dismantle everything. And if you dismantle
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: everything because of your Muslim beliefs, I dismand everything because
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: of my queer gender theory beliefs. And you want to
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: dismantle everything because you're a communist. Even though we might
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: disagree our enemy capitalism, the Western system, we have that
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: in common and so we band together. Thus the country
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: addictions don't really matter. We're aligned against Western civilizers.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: But do you know how they reconcile their views on say,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: generine sexuality with their support for conservative Muslims by this,
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: by walking the orientalism titrope, how Muslim Americans construct their
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: gender ideology.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And it's true, you drown, You drown what.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: Is obviously, bleedingly obvious to blind, freddy, to ordinary working people.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: And we actually get to this in absolute gobbledygook, in
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: absolute elitist, esoteric garbage. And these are the people who
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: are perpetuating the socialist resolution. Again, it's not poor people.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: There's this idea that socialism is for or of poor people.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: This is something that is devised again and again by
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: the upper middle class, by people like these academics at
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: the University of Chicago or the University of Texts or whatever,
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  Speaker 6: who go to these socialism conferences and tell each other
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  Speaker 6: what they're going to do to fix society. The people
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  Speaker 6: who wrote the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels,
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  Speaker 6: they were the most elite microcosm of society. Karl Marx
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  Speaker 6: came from a family of lawyers who own vineyards in
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: the French countryside. Frederick Engels, his family owned the factories
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  Speaker 6: in England that the Communist Manifesto was CROKEETI. He was
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  Speaker 6: the owner of them, and they produced his book called
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: the Communist Manifesto. That it's supposed to be a liberating
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  Speaker 6: home for workers, these workers who they study like animals
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  Speaker 6: in a zoo, and you know.
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  Speaker 1: What it turns into.
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  Speaker 6: These So when the Soviet Union invaded Poland in nineteen
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  Speaker 6: thirty nine, because they did as well, just as the
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  Speaker 6: Nazis did, the Soviets invaded from the east. The soldiers
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  Speaker 6: would get all the Soviets all the Polish soldiers and
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  Speaker 6: civilians that they round them all up and they would
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  Speaker 6: look at their hands, and if they didn't have callous,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: roughed up working man's hands, they were shot. Now, if
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Karl Marx and Frederick Engels happened to be in the
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  Speaker 6: Polish Army in nineteen thirty nine, they would have been
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  Speaker 6: taken out the back and shot as a result of
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  Speaker 6: their own ideological insanity. That tells you everything you need
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  Speaker 6: to know about socialism and communist Very well said.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look at what's making news tomorrow, including the Australian
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  Speaker 3: Defense Force can't produce a missile, but they've just released
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  Speaker 3: the cookbook.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming up in a moment.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
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  Speaker 3: what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll start, of course with the
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  Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph and you can imagine it's not a happy
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: front page here in New South Wales. The headline reads
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  Speaker 3: we blew it shattered blues let series slip. In front
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  Speaker 3: of eighty thousand fans at home Bush Stadium twenty four
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  Speaker 3: to twelve, Queensland won the State of Origin series decider
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  Speaker 3: this evening. The Cans Post, however, is a much happier
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  Speaker 3: front page Origin triumph. Maron sealed the State of Origin
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  Speaker 3: series with a perfect performance. Whis the Queensland Origin Champions.
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  Speaker 1: Playing this match?
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  Speaker 6: We actually won the last one and we just let
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  Speaker 6: them win on the scoreboard just so we could have
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  Speaker 6: the decider.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how they repay us.
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  Speaker 7: Very sad.
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  Speaker 5: Well, well done New South Wales anyway, better luck next time.
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  Speaker 5: Moving on to the Australian Now, by royal decree Charmers
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  Speaker 5: to follow Henry eight and tax as he pleases, Jim
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  Speaker 5: Chalmers is seeking special powers that would allow him to
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  Speaker 5: net more people with his planned superannuation tax hike without
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: parliamentary approval under a little known clause in his bill
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  Speaker 5: to tax the unrealized capital gains of high value funds
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: using a so called Henry eighth clause. Constitutional experts said
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  Speaker 5: doctor Chalmers would be able to adjust key parts of
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the tax plan once he sees how much money it
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  Speaker 5: is bringing into the treasury. Now, the article then goes
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: on to say this, while legal is constitutionally disreputable, I
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  Speaker 5: mean no kidding. He's basically said he can change the
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  Speaker 5: tax law as he sees.
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  Speaker 7: Fit without sending it past Parliament. This is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: If it was invented by Henry the Eighth, chances are
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  Speaker 6: it probably I don't know how much of this guy's
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: backstory you guys are, but look, maybe he's just going
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: to do it so people don't inadvertently get caught up
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  Speaker 6: in it. So maybe he's you know, maybe he's doing
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  Speaker 6: it for us.
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  Speaker 8: Ah.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't be so sure, but anyway, moving on, another
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  Speaker 5: article in the Australian missile program won't fly but Harmony
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  Speaker 5: Cookbook piece of cake for defense, They say. An army
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  Speaker 5: marches on its stomach, and so too does defenses Guided
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  Speaker 5: Weapons and Explosive Ordinance Group, which has produced a Taste
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  Speaker 5: of Harmony Cookbook cool with taxpayer funds. The group, headed
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  Speaker 5: by Air Marshall Leon Phillips, has its work cut out
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  Speaker 5: establishing a twenty billion dollar plus domestic missile manufacturing industry,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: a goal that remains a distant one, but Phillips believes
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: in the incredible power of food and that it will
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: help his team get the job done. Authorizing an eighteen
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  Speaker 5: hundred dollars print run of the recipe book to celebrate
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  Speaker 5: Harmony Wig earlier this year when we talk about government waste,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: defense and the missile program spending money on a recipe
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: book to promote harmony, I think that's top of the
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  Speaker 5: list so far.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the recipes in this recipe book produced by
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the Defense Force include mystery meat stirfry, potato soup and
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: smoked taxpayer.
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  Speaker 2: Should be But what is it?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Is it everything?
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  Speaker 6: And this soldiers mess a bit of a mystery meat
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: stirfrye like the eighty.
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  Speaker 3: If we're going to put out a why isn't it
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  Speaker 3: just a Chinese cookbook that would.
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  Speaker 7: Make exactly well?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: They do have some Chinese inspired recipes in there, apparently
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: also in the Australian Tomorrow, Kefas in class not our worry.
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  Speaker 5: The New South Wales Director of Public Schools says activism
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  Speaker 5: in classrooms is against the rules for teachers, but not
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: the department's responsibility. It is up to individual principles to
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: reprimand teachers for wearing Kefias scuffs or Palestine t shirts
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: to work. The workplace manager or principal manages the matter.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Nick Magripplis wroach to Jewish community leaders. I mean, it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't this say at all. The department is abrogating its
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: responsibility to keep students safe and to create a neutral
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: learning environment. Not our job to make sure teachers don't
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: use classrooms as a platform for activism.
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  Speaker 2: It certainly sounds that way.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the policy, but it's not our job to enforce it.
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  Speaker 3: And if it is always enforced, well that's nothing to
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: do with it.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's just a very default bureaucratic response where
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: they don't actually see the forest for the trees, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: so they just explain why it's not there, you know
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, actually, under our operational structure, it
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: is not our responsibility to do that. That relies in the
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: blah under subsection three of the second Act of the
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's too much, I reckon good. Yeah, very kind.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Let's get to the Allelaide advertiser. Safety in question at
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: childcare centers, reads the headline. More than one four hundred
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Australian childcare services, or nearly one in ten, including seventeen
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: percent of those in South Australia, are not meeting national
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: quality standards. The latest industry snapshot shows a worrying total
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of ninety two percent of the country's eighteen thousand and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: thirteen childcare centers are quote working towards standards that may
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: report from the Australian Children's Education and Care Quality Authority
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: reveals now they assess these childcare organizations under six headings.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: There's governance, relationships with children, safety, physical environment, staffing and
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: educational programs. And it's pretty concerning that ninety two percent
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: nationally are working towards being proficient in these things rather
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: than having already demonstrated proficiency across those six things.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, this is news because of the allegations of.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Child abuse, particularly in Victoria, that have come to light recently.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: If you're a parent, it just makes you all the
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: more nervous about sending your child for care from someone
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: else when you get these sort of reports.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly, it's concerning but unfortunately not surprising. And kids are
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: the most vulnerable people. They can't speak up for themselves,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: so it would make me very hesitant to send my
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: kids to daycare.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is, thankfully, it is incredibly rare.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: But again, this is why the cause to just ban
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: all male childcare workers are so misguided, because a big
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: cause of the reason, if not the biggest cause of
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: the reason why they're failing to meet all these standards,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: and they have to get all these exemptions because otherwise
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: the childcases and would collapse. Is because they don't have
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: enough workers. They don't have enough people to do it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: So I could have their reverspect. Anyway, Let's get to
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: the Herald Sun and crack down on protest nuisances. Exclusive
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: by Karlie Douglas. Serial protest pests who defy orders to
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: move on from unauthorized rallies would risk spending up to
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: two years behind bars. Under a Baton led state government,
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: a new protest registration system under the control of Victoria
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Police would be rolled out and police powers would be
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: beefed up if the coalition is elected next year. And
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: also you will see if you look at the front
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: page that Superman is an awesome movie, not at all woke.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: It's just about two a hit cinemas in Australia and
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: it is an absolute cor cud. But yes, getting back
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: to the protesters, I think it's pretty sensible. I think
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: this failure for the Victorians have a proper functioning permit system.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: All the Viclibs have put this up in Parliament numerous
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: times before, and Victorian Labor has blocked it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: In I think it was twenty fifteen.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: They repealed polices move on orders. That that means the
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: police are essentially powerless to actually control these protesters, which
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: is putting the safety of the Jewish community at risk.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: It also means that when these guys go absolutely feral
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: and rogue, or if they run through chant anti Semitic
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: slogan's Death to the Idea, or run through restaurants or whatever,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: no one's actually in charge, because no one is officially
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: responsible for their behavior.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: So all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: When we come back, physicists have worked out when the
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: world will end.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: We'll tell you after the break if we get there.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program, Fray. An interesting stat for you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Do you know, according to Harvard University, your chances of
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: being stung by a bee are six million to one,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: which means you are more likely statistically to be struck
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: by lightning than to be bitten more stung by a bee.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Wow, well, I wish the people in this French town
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: had that luck. Over the weekend, a French town was
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: attacked by a swarm of bees, leaving dozens of people
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: injured and three in critical condition.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: In hospital.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: The whole incident only lasted thirty minutes, but twenty four
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: people were stung and one seventy eight year old man
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: suffered cardiac arrest. Now, unfortunately we don't have any vision
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: of the actual event itself, but I think it might
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: have looked something a little like this.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Its size is immeasurable, its power is limitless.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Its enemy is man.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: Really bad.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I said that it only lasted thirty minutes.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Do you mean that only lasted thirty minutes? I know
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes is a long time.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: And no one really knows why it happened.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: One theory is that some Asian hornets attacked the bee's nest,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: causing them to get aggressive, but no one knows. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: that poor french Town has been subjected to some horrifying
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: stuff over the weeks.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: It just ran my life got attacked by a swarm
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: of bees while she was walking the dog. Ones I
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: actually had to drive and come and pick her up
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: because she was intar ANCHI of stress. And then it
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: was even worse because I was laughing so much I
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: couldn't actually see through the tears to drive home.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So really both of us were affected.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: Another sign of the apocalypse that is rained down on
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: planet Earth is this little event. In beautiful downtown Pennsylvania,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: a stretch of the highway Interstate eighty I turned into
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: a dairy disaster after a multi truck crash spilled hundreds
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: of boxes of shredded mozzarella across the highway.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: One of the trucks was hauling mozzarella cheese and another
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: was carrying sanitation waves. As you can see, boxes of
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: cheese were scattered across the roadway, resulting in traffic delays
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: as crews worked to clean up the debris. Has Matt
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: was not called to the scene, but we're told Pendant
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: had to use salt after the cheese melted, creating a
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: slick almost aicy.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Fortunately there were no injuries reported, but the traffic did
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: go into meltdown as other drivers stopped to try to
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: get a pizza.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: The action.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Very good, Joe, very good. This is why we have.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Save myself out well.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I wasn't sure whether we get time to tell her
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: this next story, but turns out, fortuitously we have enough time.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Scientists at Cornell University and in Shanghai have worked out
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: how long.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: We have left until the Earth implodes.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: They say that the Earth has been expanding, but eventually,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: like a rubber band, it will get to a point
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: where it starts to contract, so the Big Bang will
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: become the big crunch. And they've warned us, we only
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: have you ready for this joke twenty billion years left
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: before the end of the world. So whatever you're planning
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: to do, I suggest don't just think about it. Make
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: your plans tick off all those things on your bucket list.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: You've only got twenty billion years left.
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: Fair, So silly?
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, the Earth, according to this article, has been
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: around for thirteen point eight billion years, so we're not
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: even halfway through Earth's life cycle. So you hear people
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: stressing about the end of the world. It's okay, guys,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: We've got another twenty billions.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: The great thing about these scientists, these physicists, is they
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: cannot be wrong, or at least they can't be proved wrong,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: because in twenty billion miles.
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: No one will twenty billion years.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to finish this crossword.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: This is from US Tonight stick Around. Coming up is
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: the Reading Penny Show.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Good Night