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David Roth: Green Bay Pastor Leads Charge To Engage · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Friends, family in Christ, welcome our fourth show here in our new studios.
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  And now, we have our first in-studio guest on the new set.
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  We're so blessed to have pastor David Roth, one-way Christian church in Green Bay, brother
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  welcome.
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  Thank you so much.
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  And a very impressive studio, I think even for a face that's made for radio, this actually
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  might make me look good.
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  It makes it really, it makes us look good.
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  And the plus, all the buttons they're pushing on the other side of the wall, do you feel
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  the heat from the LEDs?
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  I do.
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  It's very interesting.
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  Anyway, we're blessed to have this new set up here.
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  We prayed briefly that whatever we do here will glorify God and edify the body of Christ.
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  I had a guest that I was just talking to earlier today about the fact that pastors generally,
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  I mean, you can look at George Barronon research and tackling certain issues or not tackling
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  certain issues for whatever reason.
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  And pastors are generally not doing a great job of equipping the congregations.
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  So one of the reasons we wanted to do a show with you was on the local level, what we
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  can work on as Christians, how we can get more pastors engaged.
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  And this is particularly the Green Bay, Appleton area, Northeast Wisconsin.
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  But this, what we're going to be talking about affects the whole country, we're going
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  to talk about different things in the media and the Johnson Amendment and other things.
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  But let's just basically, first of all, the website, your church's website is owccgb.org.
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  That's one way Christian church in Green Bay.
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  Great church.
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  I was blessed to be a part of the men of iron conference a few years ago and it's good.
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  So what led you on your path of, because I know you started later in life, you became
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  pastor, what seven, eight years ago, eight and a half years ago, when you came right
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  out of the gate, were you preaching on all these political issues?
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  I wasn't.
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  I wasn't.
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  But I've definitely learned over the past eight and a half years, quite a bit going through
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  the process of becoming a pastor.
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  And what became clearer and clearer to me is that the church has kind of lost sight
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  of its purpose.
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  And I think of Acts 242 as the purpose statement for the church, right?
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  The early church was devoted to the apostles' teaching, fellowship, breaking a bread, which
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  is contextualized communion and prayer.
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  But that devotion to teaching, I think, is kind of lost in the church in the sense that
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  over time, because the culture seems to be having a greater impact on the church, than
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  the church having an impact on the culture, consumerism has kind of infiltrated the church.
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  And now you've got from the pulpit of this consumerism, like, I want to make you feel
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  good so you come back, and we've lost sight of the church, not the job of the church.
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  But through this process, it just became crystal clear to me that God's design is for
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  his people, the church, to be the moral influence of his creation.
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  And the church needs to start being the church.
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  And to me, that needs to be the local church.
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  I think we can become overwhelmed as Christians, as what's happening in our nation and globally.
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  And we forget that we're the local church.
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  So why not step back into the public square and restore this nation, but do it locally
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  to its Christian roots?
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  Yes.
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  I mean, this nation was founded, clearly, as a Christian nation.
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  And there's so much re-education that needs to take place, not just in the church, which
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  is important enough for pastors to teach the whole council of God.
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  But in our government schools, our true history, I was talking with Paul Blair, who you
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  know.
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  He's gone to a Liberty pastors training camp yourself.
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  They're doing this week, they're in Virginia doing a training camp.
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  On the black robed regimen, on men of God, on pastors in the early days of this country
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  who led, not only preached, probably thundered away from the scriptures, but they also said
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  an example.
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  They were willing to go out and fight also for the religious freedom and the freedoms of
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  having their church and having free speech and all the blessings of America.
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  We've lost that because here's our transition, David.
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  We've been duped into believing that Christians shouldn't be involved in, quote unquote, politics.
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  Yes.
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  And I'm thinking that's one of the most important things we should be involved with, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  I mean, you think about God's creation and part of His creation is the three governing
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  institutions that He created, family government, church government, and civil government.
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  And what's happened over time, I think, in the American church, is that there's been
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  the Johnson Amendment past, Supreme Court cases, just socialism having an impact on the
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  culture as a whole.
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  And what's happened is the church has basically handed over civil government to the secular
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  world and to the Godless.
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  And we've bought into this lie of deceit of, well, there has to be separation of church
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  and state.
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  You guys should not be talking about politics, but Jesus talked about politics.
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  Jesus was involved in politics and scripture clearly throughout scripture, Old Testament
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  New Testament speaks to God's design for civil government.
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  He's the creator.
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  It belongs to Him and His people should be influencing it morally.
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  Yeah.
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  So many reasons why this is important and we've talked about this so much on this podcast.
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  Think about education, how young children are being, you might want to call it groomed.
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  Many of them are being accessed by those who want to take them away from God, away from
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  their parents, away from the biblical worldview, whatever gender you want to be.
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  And you know, I wasn't planning on doing this.
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  I see this article in front of me here.
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  I wasn't planning on mentioning this.
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  But this is, there's a different worldview that is coming against the church, biblical
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  Christianity, our history as a nation and Christians, what we believe is being salt
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  and light inside the Democrat socialist of America convention.
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  The socialist declared dominance over the Democrat party now and set their sights on 2028.
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  So they're motivated.
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  They're organizing.
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  This is the radical left and they want to take over their party basically.
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  And who knows what's going to happen there, but the point is that platform is godless.
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  You might want to call it demonic, some of what they're pushing, socialism, abortion,
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  LGBTQ, environmental extremism and on and on and on.
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  So let's bring it back to the local level, David.
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  That's why I brought you in here.
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  We had a meeting with a men of God, a bunch of men in Green Bay within the last couple
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  weeks.
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  We were talking about some of this that you put together, engaging locally for the glory
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  of God.
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  And part of the focus, you list up some of the problems, the things that's been happening
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  in our nation and some stats that are very sobering, which we've talked about on this
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  podcast.
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  We don't need to get into today, but you get to areas of focus.
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  And that's where I would love for you to speak to a few things before we talk about other
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  things like the Johnson Amendment.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  So tell me what areas of focus and how local churches need to, and by the way, I'm going
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  to give you Pastor David's email before this is over.
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  And I want you to share his email with your pastor.
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  If you're in Northeast Wisconsin, we would love for you to join the next meeting on how
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  the church can be more influential, biblically and as responsible citizens here in upcoming
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  election efforts.
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  Go ahead, David.
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  We wanted to connect with a couple churches in the local area in Green Bay, come together
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  and discuss these issues about, again, being the local church and start building plank by
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  plank and start focusing on schools, the public schools, focus on city councils, focus on
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  the county board, Brown County, and really get a better understanding of what's happening
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  in there, create an awareness so that the church understands, in the church, the members
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  of the church understand what's happening at the city council level, what's happening
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  at the county level, what's happening in our schools, and organize in such a way that
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  we have people dedicated to schools, for example, and they're identifying the agendas, the
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  actual agendas that are being held in these meetings.
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  And if there's any issues that the church should be aware of, to go and speak out against.
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  There's so much ignorance today.
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  So many people don't know.
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  Tremendous ignorance.
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  The city of Green Bay is a classic example.
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  We talked about how Northeast Wisconsin is considered and perceived to be a conservative
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  part of the state.
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  But when Christians don't vote during spring elections, which is a problem, is you have
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  liberalism controlling the city of Green Bay.
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  I mean, the city council of Green Bay, there's 12 council members, and nine of the 12 are liberal.
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  And so you've got only three conservatives, and what ends up happening is something that
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  we got engaged with as a church body, is we started attending a city council meeting
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  because they wanted to ban conversion therapy, which is to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals.
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  But they've redefined conversion therapy.
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  And that's the issue is there's no doubt conversion therapy of old is terrible, right?
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  Shock treatment, forcing kids to watch pornography, that's horrible, that's horrible.
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  But many of these council members publicly were stating that religious counseling was considered
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  conversion therapy and said it was evil, like biblical counseling, biblical counseling.
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  They considered as evil.
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  And so we went there to the city council meeting and voiced the truth.
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  We shared scripture and the resolution that they wanted to pass on that first evening
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  did not pass as a result of us being there.
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  But they created a motion thereafter that said, okay, we need to go back and write specifically
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  what this resolution is to be all about.
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  In the second meeting, again, we went back and shared the truth.
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  They did pass it, but they've passed it, they amended it to have religious counseling
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  exempt from the ban.
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  And so it's just a good example of how the church, if we just stand up for the truth, we
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  can have an impact, we can have an impact.
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  Ironically that same night they passed a resolution to give nature personhood.
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  So in the city of Green Bay, there's a resolution that has passed that trees, rivers, waterways
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  can be considered people and people can sue on their behalf.
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  So that's what's happening at the city level and the local level and there's not an awareness
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  of what's happening.
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  So we have got to be more aware, be more organized, more committed because the other side and
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  the enemy is definitely.
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  They're active and they're organized and they have funding too.
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  So we've got to try to rally the remnant and do a better job for them and that's why
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  we're having these important conversations.
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  And I would say the city of Green Bay is probably similar to a lot of cities around the
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  country where there's more liberals or leftists or Democrats on a board or on the council
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  than there are Republicans.
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  That's probably more common than we would like to admit because for whatever reason,
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  Christians were as long as we have our freedoms, we don't need to get involved or we've been
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  told that politics is a secular issue that we shouldn't and that's just such a lie.
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  It's a lie of the enemy.
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  And I'll say the reason it's right now such a big lie is because in politics today,
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  the church is not moving towards politics.
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  politics is moving towards theological, spiritual and moral issues.
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  And you name it, right?
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  They've redefined abortion as women's reproductive healthcare, they're redefining gender, marriage.
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  These are theological, moral issues, spiritual issues so the church must be involved.
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  We're going to take a brief pause in a minute but I don't want to wait until the end if
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  you feel comfortable giving your email address.
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  So friends, write this down.
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  You can, first of all, the website, you can contact Pastor David there through the website
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  owccgb.org which is one way Christian church that's in Green Bay, Wisconsin, that's where
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  we are here.
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  Well, we're filming in Appleton at Freedom Project but we live up there and you're the
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  pastor there.
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  So give for those that might want to get more information on what you or we are doing
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  locally.
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  And to maybe pass your email along to their pastors, oh Lord, I pray that more leaders
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  in Northeast Wisconsin would get involved with this and try to see what we can do to
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  write the ship so to speak.
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  Go ahead and give your email address.
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  Yeah, it's pastor dr at owccgb.org.
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  Pastor dr at owccgb.org.
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  You're not a doctor but it's David Ross.
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  Yes, there you go.
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  Pastor dr.
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  Pastor dr.
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  Alright, friends, we can take a brief pause.
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  So there's a new article that came out leftist group seeks to save Johnson amendment that
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  silences church political speech.
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  So this is Americans united for the separation of church and state, which is the second
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  biggest lion America, the separation of church and state.
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  They're asking this federal court in Tyler, Texas to allow to intervene against a proposed
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  consent decree that would free churches from a longstanding regulation that bars tax
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  exempt religious groups from publicly opposing and supporting political candidates.
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  Well, we just talked with Pastor Paul Blair about, I mean, he was in the news about the
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  IRS saying, oh, you can endorse political candidates from the pulpit and Paul goes, nothing
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  has changed.
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  We've been doing it.
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  We've been trying to get other pastors to talk about, quote, moral issues, but they call
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  them political issues.
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  But before we get into more of this, because the left is going to continue to hit hard
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  to try to use it, things like this is a battering ram to the church.
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  So in 2015, 10 years ago, I wrote a book called The Cost of Our Silence.
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  And in that book, and one of the, what, what chapter is that in the chapter called separation
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  of Christianity and state, there's a section called the Johnson amendment.
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  And you can look it up online.
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  I did a blog on that as well, the Johnson amendment and the agenda to silence Christians.
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  There it is, the Johnson amendment and the agenda to silence Christians.
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  Let me tell you a quick story and then I'll let Pastor David respond.
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  In 2015, I did an interview with Jan Markel on understanding the Times radio.
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  And a few other rather high profile for me anyway, interviews about the book, The Cost
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  of Our Silence.
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  And we talked about a lot.
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  The Johnson amendment.
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  Well, then I put this blog out and right around that time, President Trump was campaigning
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  or this was candidate Trump was campaigning for the Republican ticket.
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  And he said, one of the things I'm going to do is repeal the Johnson amendment.
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  Well, most people had no idea what it was.
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  So they started googling it.
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  And since I had done these radio interviews and I've gotten out there on the web and I
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  did my article and it was shared by a lot of people who wanted information on that.
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  Before President Trump mentioned that, people started googling the Johnson amendment.
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  And when President Trump, at that time candidate, Trump mentioned it.
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  And my article was in the top three on Google searches, search results when people would
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  just type in the Johnson amendment.
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  And so people were directed to a Christian perspective, which I thought was hilarious.
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  So thank Donald Trump and thank Jan Markel.
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  But back to the problem with it, as we know, pastors did not have to self censor.
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  But that's what too many of them did.
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  The Johnson amendment came out in 1954.
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  Lyndon B. Johnson, a liberal senator from Texas, wanted to, he was running for re-election,
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  but some Christian groups and anti-communist groups, non-profits were coming against him,
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  putting out information against him.
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  He checked with the IRS, what they were doing was legal.
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  So he said, you know, he must have thought, well, how can I shut them up?
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  How can I?
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  Right.
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  Something in an amendment of the IRS that made me affect their 501C3 and threaten the
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  pastors with that, if they talk about politics, I'll let you share whatever you want about
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  that.
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  Because I could keep going on this issue.
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  So the keyword that you said is threatened, because that's all it was with a threat.
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  Lyndon B. Johnson, and I think even the American United people for separate.
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  United for separation.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, they're fully aware that this is an infringement of the First Amendment of the Constitution.
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  So this is a threat.
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  And unfortunately, it has worked.
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  It has been effective.
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  But a funny story for, on this particular issue, this last election, where the Congressman
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  Tony Weed, whose district is in Wisconsin, in Wisconsin, in the Green Bay area, we were
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  holding an event with him, with Turning Point Action, at our church.
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  On church grounds?
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  Yes, for him to share his story, his testimony, but also his positions.
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  We prayed over Tony Weed, but two days before that event, I got a call from a national correspondent
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  from NBC News.
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  Oh, that's right.
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  I remember that.
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  Telling me, do you realize you're going to lose your 501C3 status if you follow through
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  with this?
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  Oh, my.
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  The irony is, we as a church, when we established eight and a half years ago, we did not file
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  for a 501C3 because churches don't have to.
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  And that's another lie.
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  That's funny.
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  That's another lie.
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  So I corrected him, said, well, there's no threat of us losing our 501C3 because we don't
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  have one.
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  But thank you for the call.
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  But is it an interesting, David, that this is NBC, this is national news, battering or
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  trying to threaten or intimidate a Green Bay church, not to have a political candidate.
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  Come in and not to talk about these issues.
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  First of all, they must believe the lie.
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  They probably believe that maybe.
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  I really think a lot of people erroneously believe that, you know, if churches could
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  otherwise more pastors, I would hope, would talk about these things.
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  And by the way, there's a thing called Pulpit Freedom Sunday.
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  I think it happens every year.
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  Paul Blair was one pastor that kicked that off, helped kick that off with the Family
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  Research Council every year.
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  They talk about politics.
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  They talk about candidates and they say, you need to vote for so and so.
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  And then they send the copies of those sermons to the IRS, not one from my understanding.
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  To this day, not one church has lost its 501C3 status.
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  Friends, tell your pastor.
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  He can talk about anything biblical and moral from the pulpit, even though society and
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  the left has tried to convince us it's political, like pre-born mother or pre-born lives in
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  mother's wombs.
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  It's that's not a political issue, friends.
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  That's murder.
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  That's taking a life of a child.
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  So this leftist group, no surprise, they're seeking to, you know, push this.
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  So we need to move on, though, David.
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  The article we did, we talked about with Paul Blair, was the pastors and politicians
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  don't lose first amendment rights in the pulpit.
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  Now this is over at the Daily Citizen.
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  So I just want to quote, responding to the IRS decision, this is Kelly Shackleford.
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  He's the president and CEO of Chief Counsel for First Liberty.
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  He's, and I'll let you respond to this.
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  He said, first amendment rights don't end when a pastor, church member, or even a political
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  candidate steps on the platform of a church.
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  The IRS weaponized the Johnson Amendment and the left.
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  They weaponized the Johnson Amendment to silence churches and pastors for decades.
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  This recent development is great news for religious organizations, churches, and religious
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  liberty.
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  It is great news, but what do you think in your speculative view, will enough pastors
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  engage now that they know, oh, I can do this?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I can only hope and pray that that's the case.
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  I do see, it's a small movement, but I do see a movement of pastors stepping up and
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  stepping and standing for the truth.
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  Ohio, I just read an article of there's a 80 pastors in the state of Ohio that sent
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  a letter to Kroger's food, headquartered in Cincinnati saying, hey, you need to take
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  a better position on your LGBTQ because they're really promoting that.
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  And in essence, telling them that they're going to be telling the churches, don't shop
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  at Kroger's, you probably wouldn't see that 10 years ago, right?
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  That's true.
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  I'm hoping that more pastors will step forward because again, these issues, as you said,
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  and we've talked about, these are not political issues.
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  These are moral, spiritual, theological issues.
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  And if we're not going to be talking about that from the pulpit, who is going to be?
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  Who is going to train and equip believers to how to respond and what is the truth?
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  And at the end of the day, this has to be all Christ centered and we need to reach the
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  lost and the lost are in the public square and they're attached to politics.
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  They need to hear the gospel, but we definitely do need to get the church engaged.
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  So briefly, I want to just go out to California, briefly and talk about what's happening there.
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  And Jack Hibbs actually warned, we had a video clip, but we don't have enough time to
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  play it now where he actually was warning his congregation in it, whoever would listen,
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  put it on social media, saying if California passes this bill, AB 495, Christians may need
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  to prepare and think about leaving the state.
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  Why would he say that?
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  In Green Bay, in Wisconsin, we're kind of split here politically.
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  Paul Blair doesn't have that problem in Oklahoma, very conservative, Christian-based, California.
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  There's no hope, really, they're gone.
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  Progressive.
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  If they pass these bills, your chances of overturning that is very slim.
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  So these dangerous policies have been enacted.
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  And just your thoughts on Jack Hibbs coming out, and by the way, the bill would permit almost
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  any adult to take custody of a child without parent's being notified based on the
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  care giver phrase, it's just really sad, but it's really dangerous.
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  Very dangerous.
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  No ID required, simply fill out a form, sign an affidavit that you can pick up the child.
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  You can also tell the school, you can vaccinate this child.
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  So it's just another approach by the enemy to destroy the family.
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  There's no doubt that the consequence of, because if they're trying to protect illegal
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  immigrants with this, so that they don't have to show an ID and pick up the child or have
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  somebody else pick up their child, but the consequence of this, I mean, just think about
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  a pedophile who will take advantage of this and say, well, I know Susie, and I'm here
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  to pick her up, and I just need to fill out this affidavit, right?
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  No ID, nothing required.
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  It's terrible.
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  And I agree with Jack Ibs, if you're a believer in Father Jesus Christ, I don't know how
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  you can live in California with what's happening.
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  I lived out there for years.
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  We've got a minute and a half left.
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  I just want to mention that your keys to success at the very end of what we discussed
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  in that meeting locally was to keep everything Christ centered, and that means our discussions
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  with other people, because people are so divided on political issues and on moral issues
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  really, but we still need to truth in love, right?
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  I'm sure you've done sermons on this.
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  We need to keep folks on sharing the gospel.
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  That's important out in culture, setting aside territorial mentalities within the church
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  community, pastor saying, well, I don't want to go over there, because anyway, we've got
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  to stop that.
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  We've got to unite and for the glory of God here in the preservation of our country,
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  and then focus locally showing up to elections and other things.
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  Give your email address one more time.
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  It's pastor dr at owccgb.org.
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  David, I had like a half a dozen more links and topics, media and other things that I
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  thought we were going to get to, but you know how these things go.
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  So thanks for your time.
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  Thanks for coming in the studio and welcome to Freedom Project and the World View Matters
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  new studio.
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  It's amazing.
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  It's a beautiful, beautiful studio.
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  So congratulations.
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  Thank you to God be the glory.
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  Friends, David is at one way Christian church in Green Bay 10 a.m. service on Sundays.
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  And you can also find them on Facebook with friends.
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  We've got to get local churches engaged.
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  It's not just Wisconsin, wherever you're at in the country, start at the local level and
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  please get your pastor awakened, engaged, involved, whatever that means if he's not already.
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  And we appreciate you're sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.