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From Food Boxes to Job Creation: What Keeps Alan Rosenstock Up At Night · None of Your Business Podcast

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  I want to know how you found two minutes to even leave the office
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  today like. It's been a busy day.
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  The cases I met with this morning, it's horrible.
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  I left with one. I'm just still at my desk.
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  Horrible stuff. I just did the last case just
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  now. Young lady with genetic
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  disorder. One in 200,000 people have it.
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  It's leads towards blindness. Regular person wants to go to
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  work impossible challenges. That was just That's the most
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  recent case. I met one after next this
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  morning. He's saying it's impossible to
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  go to work, right? She cannot work.
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  She can't work. People have this vision of an
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  honey, someone sitting on an apartment.
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  No, no, it's a regular person. Regular person.
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  I shouldn't have said this is this is your challenge and
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  that's what's going on there. That that was most recent, but I
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  had a whole string of them this morning, straight from one to
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  the next. I'm going to have money come
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  back. Welcome back everybody to
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  another amazing episode of the None of Your Business podcast.
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  I'm your host, Michael Greenfield.
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  Today with me is the leader of Tom K Chavez.
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  I would say the leader of our community.
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  And in so many ways you are synonymous with, Josh has said
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  helping and everything else along with it.
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  I've learned so much from you. So I will call you Rabbi.
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  Rabbi Alan Rosenstock is here with us from Tom K Chavez.
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  Thank you so much for being here.
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  I appreciate the time that you are spending with us.
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  I know that every minute you're with us here is, you know, time
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  that you're not spending helping others.
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  So it's very meaningful that you're able to do this, but this
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  also helps others. I thank you for having me.
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  I'm not a rabbi and I'm not a leader of the community.
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  Otherwise I agree with everything you said.
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  I'm just one of the people who participate to the best of my
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  ability. OK, let's slow down a little
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  bit. First of all, as far as a
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  community is concerned, a community with Hatsala and a
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  community with Tom Het Shabbos is not a community without those
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  two, right? Like you need to have certain
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  things. You have a shul, you need to
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  have a million of people. You actually need 15 people at
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  least so that five don't show up, right?
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  And you have to have AI think a hatzalah, right?
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  Probably a supermarket or two or like a seasons or two, you know,
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  and a hatbox and you know, but a Tom Ke Shabbos is really like
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  essential in having a community. And to me that that's why I look
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  at you as a leader of a community.
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  I also ordained you as a rabbi because I learned from you, and
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  to me, that's more important than anything.
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  Forget about your understanding of meat and milk and the rules
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  of engagement in the kitchen. To me, it's more important that
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  you're learning something from someone, and that's where I call
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  someone a rabbi. So to me, you're a rabbi.
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  I look up to you. You're a person that I've been
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  following for a very, very long time.
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  We've had our a lot of connections in the past with the
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  volunteer work that we've crossed paths with over the
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  years. Today though, it's really more
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  about getting to know who you are, what your background is,
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  where you're from, what got you to what you're doing, what your
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  wish list is, what is happening in the world right now, and what
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  to expect from the future. That's really the conversation
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  breakdown that I'd like to do with you today.
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  So so first of all, welcome to the program.
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  Thank you I. Appreciate you being here.
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  And of course, thank you to all our subscribers.
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  Thank you to the Prime Source production team and to all the
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  wonderful work that we're putting out there in the world,
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  which is amazing. You're familiar with podcasts
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  already. So, you know, you know the
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  concept of what you're doing here, but we try to do things a
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  little bit differently in terms of, you know, it's not really
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  about all about Tom K Shabbos. I think most people know already
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  today what Tom K Shabbos is, but I really want to dive a little
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  bit deeper, A, into who you are, but B, more importantly as well,
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  I said I'm just as important, I would say is the need of Tom K
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  Shabbos. And when it comes to the
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  challenges that people have in a community, like what it means to
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  help, what are the guidelines of helping?
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  When, when should someone help? What's enabling, what's not?
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  When do you feel like it's important to step up?
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  When should people, you know, get involved or the frustrations
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  of them not getting involved? And I want to get into all that,
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  if that's OK with you. Yeah, You get to use this once,
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  by the way, in case it comes up and I ask you a question and
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  it's, you know, something that you, by the way, you know,
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  getting you to laugh was one of my most important goals of
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  today. So I'm already good.
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  We can shut this down and move on because I know that you live
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  in a life of challenges in terms of dealing with others and it's
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  must be very difficult for you. Where did this come from?
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  Who are you? Where where you from?
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  Where your parents, grandparents from?
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  Where did you grow up? Give me a little bit of who you
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  are. I grew up proudly in Washington
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  Heights to refugee parents and refugee community, and I've
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  often felt I'm richer for it because their perspective is one
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  that can't be replicated in today's world.
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  It's it's a humble bruyer used to say that the killer was built
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  with the pennies of penniless refugees.
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  You could walk into a shul of 500 men and maybe 6-7 hundred
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  ladies. Of course, as was an ocean was
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  packed every Shabbos and you couldn't tell who had money, who
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  didn't have money. We were friends.
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  No one was trying to show off the other one.
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  It was the warmest, the most encouraging way to grow up.
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  And my parents who both are from pre war Germans, pre war
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  Germany, they were part of that fabric.
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  And I was privileged to grow up in a family like that, in a
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  community like that. Wow, OK, that's amazing.
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  You said a lot, by the way. First of all, you said that the
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  shules are filled with women. So that's a thing.
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  And when you grew up in in the world, because today, I don't
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  know if it's as it was then, you know, there are women that come
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  to shul, but it's always like 3/4 of men and a quarter of, of,
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  of women. I think in those shules in those
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  days, there was a much bigger space for women to come.
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  What changed? I don't know.
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  I, I don't want to indict today's society.
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  Many things have changed. But I have to tell you, when I,
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  when I remember, I'm really saying that the reason there was
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  a hash karma minion is so that the wife can come home.
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  So you had little children. Of course there was no Arab.
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  So a husband and wife both felt the need to dive in.
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  But Sieber in in pack Kayla. So they had a Haskoma minion.
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  So the husband can go to Haskoma and then the wife can go to the
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  main minion. It was pretty unthinkable for
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  the lady to stay home. All of my my sister went with my
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  mother, with the grandmother say that that everyone went, all the
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  ladies went to Seoul. Wow, I.
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  Don't know what changed, but things changed what?
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  Do you think it was? What do you think it is society?
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  That that's too long for this podcast.
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  I try to live in today's worlds and there those, as Rabshimov
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  Schwab used to say, the good old days weren't.
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  I can't live in yesteryear. I faced today's challenges in
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  today's worlds, in today's society and that's doesn't help
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  me to reflect on the past and why we are where we are today.
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  I got to face the reality of today in addressing the
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  challenges of today, and that's what I do.
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  OK, that's a healthy way of looking at it.
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  I like that So. But let's go back a minute for
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  the way you grew up in that society, in that world.
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  What kind of seductive organizations were there then?
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  What can we learn from then? Like when you said that
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  everybody was sort of on the same playing field and you
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  didn't feel that one person was wealthier than another.
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  There wasn't the front of shul or back of shul feeling, I
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  guess. So what kind of classic
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  organizations were there when you grew up?
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  So I can't say there were many classic organizations.
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  Classic was done quietly. The most beautiful thing that
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  they want one most beautiful method of to talk to the head is
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  something we've adopted here with their permission.
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  When someone is sitting Shiva, we give them a wooden box that's
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  locked and it's got a slit in it and we give them an envelope.
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  And in an envelope is 2 things, hundreds of dollars in cash and
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  a letter. And the letter says, quotes a
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  Kitsu Shukan on earth that says woe to the community where
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  someone cannot sit Shiva properly because they need the
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  panosa. And therefore every single
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  person who sits Shiva in our community is getting this box,
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  this letter and this money. If you need the money, you take
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  it. If you don't need the money, you
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  slide it into the lock box. Since we have many boxes that
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  are all identical and then we are only we only opened them on
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  occasion. No one will ever know who took
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  it, who didn't take. It's a beautiful way of giving
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  sadaqa. And I was so touched that not
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  only did I ask if we could bring that to our community, and Tom
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  Clay Shabbos does that, but I actually asked to borrow one of
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  the boxes. And I built the same box.
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  And we have maybe a dozen such boxes.
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  And it goes to everyone. As long as we know about the
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  Shiva. That's a beautiful thing.
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  Wow I never knew this. This is very cool.
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  I love it. So someone says Shiva, you have
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  a box that gets delivered to them and there's an envelope
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  with it. How much money is in there?
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  Do it. Hundreds.
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  It used to be 500 oz, 300. It's a token.
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  It's not going to make it. And no one has to this day.
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  I'll give it to a millionaire. And he says, Alan, this is
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  himself. He said do me a favor, if you
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  didn't take it, we would just be giving it to people who are
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  struggling would be embarrassing to everyone has to have it and
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  they read the letter and they accept it and we put the box
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  there and the letter envelope the money.
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  That's it. What a cool concept.
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  It's a beautiful thing. Take me back to where you were
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  growing up. I like that you went through it
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  so quickly, but I also want to go back to it a little bit.
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  So you know, what schools did you go to afterwards?
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  When did you get involved in Tom Ke Shabbos?
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  Did you work for a company like? What was your life like as you
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  know, post teenager and you know, you're you're definitely
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  an entrepreneur type of mindset person because you're a a
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  thinker, you're on the move, you're a networker, You're
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  you're you're responsible for what budget a year the.
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  Budget is we raise between 10 and $11 million a year.
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  So you're running a over $10 million organization, right?
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  That's a big feat. And that's something that
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  doesn't come lightly. And it's a lot of responsibility
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  and it's something that comes from experience of dealing with
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  something or you know, you have in you a certain way of thinking
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  or doing. So I would like to tap into who
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  that is. Who are you?
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  Where did that come from? What did you start off as?
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  It's actually simpler than you can imagine.
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  After high school, I went to college at night, working in the
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  jewelry industry during the day. In 1993, I opened up my own
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  business. As you mentioned, I'm
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  entrepreneurial. One business left to the next
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  and I was vertically integrated. I was travelling frequently to
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  Asia. I started manufacturing there.
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  It was one day that someone we were carpooling, a group of my
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  friends were driving to Manhattan.
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  That's where my my company was located and everyone had to
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  drive and all the employees. One day I was in the off on the
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  in the car on the way back. I still remember it was the
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  George Washington Bridge and someone said, you know, there's
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  someone in our community, there's no food.
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  If any of your wife would maybe want to drop off some food, make
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  a cooker or something, just drop it off on the lawn.
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  I was stunned by the comment. And when I got home, I I made a
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  phone call or two, no knew anything about it.
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  So to tell you how long ago that was, I took my Ford Taurus
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  station wagon and I drove to Pathmark.
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  Now neither of those exist anymore and I loaded up the back
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  of the car with food and I drove over to the person's house and I
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  just put everything on the lawn and drove away.
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  The next morning I found out that some of that food went to
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  waste because the family's electricity had been shut off.
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  They didn't have refrigeration, and I just made some phone calls
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  like anyone else from the office the next day.
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  Just how is it possible in today's days, early 90s?
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  How is it possible that this family without food, the, that
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  sounds like the Alto Shtetl, you know, Eastern Europe 1831, not
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  in the 1990s. And I found out they, they had
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  some people doing different things, but there was no unified
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  effort. I started doing homework,
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  looking into it, making some phone calls.
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  And I think my Yakish background helped that.
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  What I did is all I did is put some people together and said,
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  let's, if you all would work together, we wouldn't have
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  people sliding through the cracks like that.
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  So. What community was this?
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  Monty. Oh, this was Monty.
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  You were. Living in Monty we.
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  Moved to Monty in 1984. Oh, got it.
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  OK, when he got married, so I banned people together and I
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  said, you know, I'll take care of the money.
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  Just do what you have to do. And at the time, I could write
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  the check. It wasn't a big to do.
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  And once we had unified and we created the the organizational
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  name Tomko Chabas in Rockland County, well, people started
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  coming out of the woodwork. We started hearing about other
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  people. So you created the name Tomko
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  Chabas knowing that Tonko Chavez is a known name?
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  Like how did that? Happen Tonko Chavez, a bar park.
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  There weren't There weren't many of them.
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  They had Tonko Chavez a bar park.
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  I don't know if they had other. So we created Tonko Chavez of
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  Rockland County. Your own little 5O1C3, but
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  you're using the name to. Be we didn't even have a 5O1C3.
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  Let's go back to when we first started, we didn't have a bank
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  account, we didn't have an organizational name, didn't have
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  a 5O1C3. We had nothing.
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  And what we did is it was a Sonic called Rob Polychek living
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  in Williamsburg has, I don't know if he's alive anymore.
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  His organization's name is Tadakova Kassad.
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  And he used to give telenium leftover food from the bakeries
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  and butchers, whatever they came with, anything leftover.
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  And every second week, a volunteer.
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  Remember Shloem Zalm? He was a bus driver for the
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  Mazel Bus lines. None of this exists anymore.
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  I'm sure he's around somewhere. He would drive after he dropped
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  off his route in Muncie, he would drive to Williamsburg to
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  pick up whatever was leftover from their distribution.
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  And he would bring it up to us and we would go ahead and
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  distribute it. The accumulated effort at the
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  time was about 24 families like everyone, And I often wondered
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  if we're doing them a favor or not.
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  The the hollers were hard as a board.
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  There was, there was nothing. You know, we did this every
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  second week. Well, I was busy with my jewelry
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  and I just suggested that, you know, we stop stepping it up and
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  maybe we should buy our own collars when we didn't have any
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  money. I said, well, it's not a
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  problem. So remember when I asked people
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  if I couldn't write the check myself because it started
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  growing, I would ask people, can you write a check?
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  Well, they wrote the check to Based Filler and to get a tax
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  deduction and based Filler wrote a check to the bakery.
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  So I still remember Marsha Eisenberg, a non religious woman
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  on 1st Ave. working for like a council over there, Jewish
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  council. She got us taxed it up.
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  First we incorporated Tunka Shopping County.
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  She got U.S. tax deductibility with that was like win a
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  lottery, people to write checks to us.
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  And then we had volunteers who would take the checks and
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  deposit them. Initially I was doing every
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  check I would deposit in the bank every Friday would go to
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  the bank and I would make the deposits myself.
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  So while I was doing my business on the side, I just kept
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  stanking checks for deposits and write a deposit slip. 100% of
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  the time the bank would send back the slip the following
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  week, correcting my mathematical errors.
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  Whatever it is, I still remember those days.
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  There were no employees, there was no one.
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  There was just my shirt pocket. I would go to the bank and every
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  week they taught the staff to greet people by name.
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  I remember they would say every weekend and have a wonderful
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  weekend, Mr. Shabbos. And after maybe 2-3 months of
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  this, I said, you know, I come here every week.
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  You can call me, just just call me Tom, say that's fine.
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  I, you can be on a first name basis with me.
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  It's all good. That's great.
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  I'm saying that when I, when I, when I was getting everyone
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  wrong. So then this volunteer picked it
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  up for six months. That month it said it was just,
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  we did the best we could and it slowly grew.
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  I guess the biggest change occurred.
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  I was sitting in my company in the, in the jewelry office.
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  I said, wow, what a failure. We are the most embarrassing
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  organization out there. Every box of food we send out
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  represents a failure. It represents a failure of
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  Claudia Stroll. Having found that person a
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  working job during the week, why are we patting ourselves on the
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  back for delivering the box of food?
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  We're not heroes. We can and must do more.
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  And So what I did is I started advocating for the first person
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  job and the next person. We started doing job placement
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  and it became very taxing. I was doing that at the same
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  time I was running my business and we had employees.
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  And it was like when I was travelling to Asia up to my my
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  record at 7 times in one year. I was manufacturing out there it
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  but that I started counting our successes by how many boxes of
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  food we didn't send out. Today, if I can jump ahead a
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  little bit, a job placement division, a person by the
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  Markowitz is placing of average of four jobs for unemployed
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  people per week. I'm closest with him That is a
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  success. A box of food is not a success.
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  But then when we were doing all this job placement, we found
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  people who had zero job skills. They were a diamond setter, they
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  were a bust or truck driver. They're not going to be the
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  fondest of their family without finding them such a similar job.
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  So I started contacting people said can you teach a course?
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  Can you teach this man? Actually, I said, can you teach
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  this man? I spoken in two years, meaning
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  one shot this morning after speaking, some guy came to me
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  and said, can I speak to you privately?
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  Which is standard, even means he's broke or is going to give
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  him $1,000,000. There's no way to know.
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  Same face. They all have poker faces.
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  And he said he was in the jewelry industry.
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  And I know this man, he's not alive anymore.
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  And he said, my business is gone.
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  It collapsed, It's gone. I'm going to have to find a job.
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  And I don't know how to use a computer.
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  And the following week, I spoken Rabbi Shabbos Ishul, and I
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  repeated that story. I said someone here can teach
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  that man how to use a computer. And that you'll have a meeting
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  run by David Schneeweiss, the orthodontist.
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  At Sunday. They put a meeting together, and
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  they said if there's one, there's got to be a bunch of
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  them. We're going to teach every
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  single person how to use a computer, anyone who needs it.
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  And we form classes. And now we have QuickBooks
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  classes. Excellent.
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  OK, So that feeds directly into job placement.
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  Now there's some people. There's nothing you can do.
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  And that's where the food box comes in.
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  Today I met with this woman who has a genetic disease.
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  It's leading to blindness. A single lady wants to go off to
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  work, She can't work. Yesterday I met with a single
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  mother who doesn't have a car, can't get to work and we're
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  working on all sorts of things. We're trying to put the package
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  together and there's some people who think we're we're dealing
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  with now with a man who had a kidney, a liver transplant, but
• 18:43
  things have gone wrong. He hasn't worked in weeks, in
• 18:46
  weeks, hasn't worked in months. I judged before Pesach there was
• 18:50
  a man in our community who had a massive heart attack.
• 18:54
  As we speak, he's on a trach, He gets dialysis.
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  He was the breadwinner there. The wife has a menial job.
• 19:03
  Impossible. They can't afford a thing.
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  So there is a place for food, but only if there's no other
• 19:09
  option. Wow, I, I, I'm, I'm blown away
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  by what you're saying because before I had you here today, I
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  had questions that, you know, I started asking people in my
• 19:19
  circles when I see them in the mornings or, you know, I'm
• 19:22
  speaking to them and I'm like, oh, I'm having a guest.
• 19:24
  What's a good question I should ask?
• 19:25
  And one of the questions that I got when I told people that I'm
• 19:29
  interviewing you was, is Chavez maybe enabling people, you know,
• 19:35
  is giving away food to people, just showing them that their
• 19:39
  mindset is wrong and you're just, you know, you're feeding
• 19:41
  into their challenges. I didn't even have to ask the
• 19:44
  question to you when you answered it to me already.
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  So we have a sock that from a breast.
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  I was a town. If someone is not doing all they
• 19:52
  can do, we have no Kiev to give him Sidak at all.
• 19:55
  Period. And the statement.
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  One more time if someone. Is not doing all that they can
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  do. How do you know what all they
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  can do? Is excellent question that's a
• 20:03
  qualified excellent but first of all that goes back to the clay
• 20:05
  Yakar Ozv Taz of Emo. He says if the only says being
• 20:10
  finest me and doesn't work to help themselves.
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  No, Kiev. And we had that.
• 20:16
  We had a family whose electricity was shut off.
• 20:18
  And this man, nothing. He was busy with investments,
• 20:22
  which means going to your uncle to return the money to, to
• 20:25
  shimmer that rounds around. Nothing.
• 20:26
  Completely meaningless. Nothing that we did not turn on
• 20:29
  electricity. I know that man.
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  And I saw the Orange and Rockland truck pulling out.
• 20:34
  He begged me for it because his grandkids are over.
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  Now that may strike you as home, as heartless.
• 20:39
  We have a sock and that goes back to the Clay Yorker.
• 20:43
  So we need, I always tell people I'm looking for a partner and
• 20:46
  you are my partner. What are you doing?
• 20:48
  We will partner with you. So if they let, let's say we can
• 20:51
  find them a job at $60,000 a year, they can't leave on
• 20:53
  $60,000 a year. We'll help you.
• 20:56
  But I need to know you're getting up in the morning, going
• 20:58
  to work and after 4-5, six months here, let's see if you
• 21:01
  can move up in the company or get a different job.
• 21:02
  And we're going to help you because Library Markowitz of Job
• 21:04
  placement will step in. But you, I'm clear to do all you
• 21:09
  can before you come to us. I have a couple, wonderful
• 21:14
  couple. The wife is medically
• 21:17
  challenged, hasn't not not able to work.
• 21:20
  Husband was earning the princely sum of $65,000.
• 21:24
  He as a bookkeeper before Pesach, he had a triple bypass.
• 21:27
  What's the plan? He's doing all he can.
• 21:30
  They they they really don't make it.
• 21:31
  They just juggle everything and then he's out.
• 21:34
  OK, so we have to provide them with food for Pesach, but that's
• 21:37
  what they do what they can. That's what it's supposed to be.
• 21:40
  No, we don't enable. No one wants to be only to the
• 21:42
  point to get a box of food at the door.
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  No one. I don't care who you are.
• 21:46
  How do they go? How they paying their clothing?
• 21:47
  How they buying their kids through our clothing?
• 21:50
  How do they pay medical insurance?
• 21:51
  How do they get and keep the kids in school?
• 21:53
  How do they get gas for the car? I'm curious, did did your
• 21:56
  mindset change over the years that you learn as you got
• 22:00
  involved in this? You, you're, you're quoting
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  like, you know, halachas and rabbanim that are have given you
• 22:04
  a, you know, authority to do certain things.
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  You know, what is it? Did it shift for you?
• 22:08
  Was it a mind change for you? Because like I'm curious, like
• 22:11
  in the beginning, if it was like, no, no, no, everyone needs
• 22:13
  to get. And how was that mind shift for
• 22:15
  you as a leader of this organization?
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  Had I not shifted my mindset, that would have been the
• 22:20
  greatest failure of time. I'm a different person today
• 22:23
  than it was 10 years ago, and I hope I can say the same thing
• 22:26
  again in 10 years. The most important thing I've
• 22:28
  done is document all shiles and chuvas and no, I can't show it
• 22:31
  to you. All shiles and chuvas for the
• 22:33
  last 30 some odd years and they've been riveting,
• 22:36
  fantastically interesting, fantastic.
• 22:38
  I'm gone as far as Ravkan, Kanyevsky and Revel Yashov and
• 22:41
  Fantastic can. You share a question.
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  What are those? Oh, many of them.
• 22:45
  And one of them is fantastic. I was.
• 22:48
  I was just recounting it this morning at the office.
• 22:50
  A well known wealthy fellow called me up.
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  He must meet with me. It's an emergency, but in
• 22:58
  private. OK.
• 22:59
  So we agreed that that night we we came up with a place.
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  It was a back of whatever. And he looked down.
• 23:04
  He said, I, I don't know how to say this.
• 23:06
  What my business is about to go bankrupt.
• 23:08
  You're the only one who can save it.
• 23:09
  I had no idea what this man's talking about.
• 23:12
  I'm a jewelry manufacturer and he was in an unrelated line.
• 23:16
  I said, how can I save it? What can I do?
• 23:19
  And he slid across the desk to me a check for $5000.
• 23:21
  He said, get this to the nium. It's the only thing that will
• 23:24
  save my business. Now my rebbe is Diane Donner in
• 23:27
  London. I called the Diane and it said
• 23:29
  fantastic story. You got to hear the story.
• 23:31
  Great. Sunday he called me back and
• 23:33
  said I discussed the shiler with Pavraim Karnievsky.
• 23:36
  I said, Shila, I told you a story.
• 23:38
  He said no. So Shiloh, if someone's going
• 23:41
  bankrupt, do they have that logic right?
• 23:43
  That means his debt exceeds his assets.
• 23:46
  Does he have the logic right to take money and give it to
• 23:49
  Tadaka? That was a shiler that was
• 23:51
  presented from Diane Donner Pavraim Karnievsky based upon
• 23:55
  that story. Not so interesting.
• 23:56
  I would not have thought this to Shiloh.
• 23:58
  I thought it was telling a story.
• 24:00
  And Raheim Khandevsky paskin #1 yes #2 he asked for the name of
• 24:04
  the person, so he couldn't solve for the person's panosa.
• 24:07
  That's a true leader. Now it's interesting when you
• 24:10
  Paskin, yes, what he was saying is if I told you, you can
• 24:13
  advertise your product in the New York Times, Wall Street
• 24:18
  Journal, whatever, and you'll have an ROI return on
• 24:21
  investment, you'd say, sure. What he's saying is what the
• 24:24
  Mamora Khazal have presented us with as guaranteed assurances,
• 24:29
  what Gabby giving to DACA, that is stronger than any
• 24:33
  advertisement. That is an investment with an
• 24:36
  unbelievable ROI. That's what Heim Karievski was
• 24:39
  teaching us through that sock that that was just one of many,
• 24:42
  many. It's very interesting.
• 24:43
  That's beautiful and I appreciate you sharing.
• 24:44
  I want to, I want to go this topic for a second simply
• 24:48
  because two things I'm thinking about, a few things I'm thinking
• 24:52
  about as you're talking and I want to get into it now, is that
• 24:55
  you're a parent, right? You are a father and you have
• 24:59
  responsibilities of being a father.
• 25:01
  You're, you know, a husband, the father, you know, you're a
• 25:06
  person that has a lot of responsibilities at home as well
• 25:09
  on top of the responsibilities of the organization.
• 25:12
  And I'm reminded by a conversation I had a few years
• 25:15
  ago with Hatsala member's wife, who told me I wish my husband
• 25:21
  would run as quickly to our needs as he does to the
• 25:25
  community's needs. And it just blew me away.
• 25:28
  And I was like, wow, that's that's sad, you know, but it's
• 25:33
  it's something that's alarming. At the same time, we should
• 25:35
  recognize that, you know, I said starts at home, right?
• 25:38
  That that old adage. How did you figure that part
• 25:42
  out? Did you figure it out?
• 25:43
  Were there challenges to you? I happen to know one of your
• 25:45
  children. And, you know, he's a phenomenal
• 25:48
  person, just the personality and, you know, easygoing, but at
• 25:52
  the same time vivacious, just the, you know, a person that's
• 25:55
  very, very successful in his own way.
• 25:57
  And he speaks so highly of you and every time I speak to him.
• 26:01
  And so I know you did a great job with one of your kids
• 26:04
  because. My wife did a great job.
• 26:06
  You know what's interesting? My children have been part of
• 26:09
  this and by by the way, it is a it it was something that took
• 26:13
  some work. I it's very difficult.
• 26:15
  It's a natural impulse to help others before you see what you
• 26:21
  your needs at home. I used to have a rule.
• 26:23
  You're not allowed to volunteer in the in the warehouse until
• 26:25
  you've helped your mother slash wife.
• 26:27
  Whatever the case may be, make Shabbos.
• 26:28
  Don't come on down here and be hero before you're here at home.
• 26:32
  But it's easier said than done. And when the children were act,
• 26:36
  it was very hard because yes, you can prioritize the family,
• 26:39
  but then there's an emergency. You told your wife you're going
• 26:42
  to go shopping and you find someone living in a car.
• 26:44
  Now what? Someone's right now in the car.
• 26:46
  It's Thursday night. You need to go shopping.
• 26:48
  What do you do that takes a hero of a wife because it falls upon
• 26:54
  her shoulders. Now the kids were too young to
• 26:56
  drive. But since you bring a family,
• 26:57
  I'll I'll bring I'll just tell you what he used to do.
• 26:59
  The ultimate board of Direct is always for my kids at the dinner
• 27:02
  table. We had formal dinners.
• 27:04
  I would present them with a singular challenge I faced that
• 27:07
  day without any names and said how would you have handled it?
• 27:10
  Well, well, yeah, this is awesome.
• 27:11
  Hold on a second. Break this down for me.
• 27:13
  How many kids do you have at the table?
• 27:14
  Actually, I have nine children. 9.
• 27:16
  Children, yeah, but they they were not all one got mad.
• 27:18
  Not all at the same time eating dinner, but.
• 27:20
  No, no, no, we all eaten at the same time.
• 27:22
  But my oldest daughter got married before my youngest
• 27:24
  daughter was married was born was.
• 27:25
  Born right, Right. So I imagine they're all not,
• 27:27
  but that's how. I would present them with a
• 27:29
  single you. Ate dinner at home.
• 27:31
  Yeah, of course. We'll we all sat down together.
• 27:33
  You're saying every night. Yeah.
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  That that there. There's one thing that you've
• 27:37
  you did right. In my opinion, my wife did
• 27:38
  right. Well, you made sure to be home
• 27:40
  at night to have dinner. Yeah, we all sat down together
• 27:42
  and then I would present them with a singular situation that
• 27:46
  happened that day. For example, I had a great one.
• 27:48
  This was an amazing story. Now we had a rule.
• 27:52
  You cannot vote to indict unless you hear two.
• 27:54
  You can envision two sides of the store.
• 27:56
  I want to hear two sides of the coin.
• 27:59
  A fertile mind man, husband and wife came to my door.
• 28:03
  Four children. They're living in the car.
• 28:05
  They lived in a van. Do we help if they said we have
• 28:07
  no one? We need to happen to know the
• 28:09
  husband because I once hired him to do a project.
• 28:11
  A talented man. He's also very lazy, comes late
• 28:13
  to work. Do you help them or do you not
• 28:14
  help them? That's the question straight up,
• 28:16
  straight out. OK, you start as a rule, Masquim
• 28:20
  and Asad. If you know what that means,
• 28:22
  it's same thing. Then Sanhedrin, the youngest has
• 28:23
  to appoint first, so he or she is not influenced by the older
• 28:27
  one's opinion. Cool.
• 28:28
  So the youngest one could be 5 years old, seven years old.
• 28:30
  Anyone had can have an opinion, but it's he's Masquim and Asad.
• 28:33
  That's how that's how the Sanhedrin used to do it came to
• 28:35
  Deanie Nafos. It's the greatest sage was in
• 28:39
  the center. And so that you always started
• 28:42
  with the least experienced who could opine so that they're not
• 28:45
  influenced by the but the case we started Basil Manasad and we
• 28:50
  go up there and the basic mascot of the family is the two sides
• 28:53
  to this debate. Number one, you say we are not
• 28:56
  here to help lazy people. Let them figure it out.
• 29:00
  We're here to help widows, orphans, not lazy people.
• 29:04
  What's the flip side of that coin?
• 29:06
  The Gomorrah says that 40 days before the teep was formed,
• 29:11
  Bosco yotos vameras on the Ossier.
• 29:15
  Bosco emanates from Shamayim and attributes to this person that
• 29:19
  he'll either be wealthy or poor. Maybe he's not poor because he's
• 29:22
  lazy, but he's lazy because his Bosco was poor.
• 29:26
  That flips around cause and effect.
• 29:29
  But I like fertile minds. And so first we had the debate
• 29:32
  and then I called Diane Dunner and he consults with Ravkhan
• 29:35
  Kanievsky. And Ravkhan Kanievsky quoted the
• 29:39
  Hofitzheim and I saw it in print.
• 29:41
  Who says if the only tries to work, I could just borrow?
• 29:44
  Who pours lead in his bones? He can't do it.
• 29:48
  That challenges us. Every time we meet a situation,
• 29:53
  we have to ask. We don't know what this person's
• 29:56
  boss Collier was. Is he doing everything he can to
• 30:01
  go ahead and find his family and we'll look to partner with him.
• 30:04
  And sometimes you see people continually losing jobs and they
• 30:09
  don't want to and you start hearing the Bosco, you know,
• 30:13
  it's not an absolute. I can't say that.
• 30:14
  Are we possibly charmed or Bosco, Liz?
• 30:17
  But it added dimension. You're asked if I've changed my
• 30:19
  perspective over the years that added dimension.
• 30:22
  That's fantastic. All these things have added
• 30:24
  dimensions. I'm a different person today
• 30:26
  than it was when we started 30 some odd years ago.
• 30:28
  Yeah, no, I absolutely love that and I appreciate what you're
• 30:30
  saying. First of all, you're skipping it
• 30:31
  over like it's normal. Or maybe it's because you're
• 30:34
  yucky or because you're so regimented proudly.
• 30:36
  I can write that down. Yes, probably yucky.
• 30:40
  But having dinner with your kids every night at home is something
• 30:44
  that I think a lot of people skip and, you know, don't
• 30:48
  realize the I. Loved it.
• 30:49
  Those are wonderful times. Yeah, those are wonderful times.
• 30:51
  And and I think there were, I've heard this before from very well
• 30:55
  off people that talk about how they have discussions with their
• 30:57
  kids at night and they bring up a debate and they want to see
• 31:00
  how the responses go back and forth.
• 31:02
  So kudos to you for bringing that up and having your kids
• 31:04
  grow up in an environment of thinking of just, you know,
• 31:07
  logical thinking and just back and forth.
• 31:09
  And I love that. I love that for you, I have to
• 31:11
  apologize to you for something, you know, when, when you, when
• 31:15
  you do something to someone or speak about them and they don't
• 31:18
  know, there's a whole idea that you should apologize to them,
• 31:20
  right? You know, and I, so I never
• 31:22
  thought to apologize to you about this, but I'm thinking I
• 31:24
  should. You came into our shul around 15
• 31:27
  years ago. So I guess, you know, it was
• 31:29
  like, you know, I guess it was before the time that you learn
• 31:32
  things also, right, Because you said 10 years.
• 31:33
  So you made a comment in the shul that bothered me.
• 31:36
  It just it irked me and when I went out of that, that prayer
• 31:41
  that day, I I just davening. I just like I was turned off.
• 31:45
  I was like, I don't know. You know what?
• 31:47
  Let me see what other organizations need help.
• 31:49
  You're probably right. I don't know what I said but.
• 31:51
  No, no, no. Probably.
• 31:52
  I want to tell you what it was and I want to break it down for
• 31:54
  you because I want to. I want to talk about it for a
• 31:56
  minute. I think it's important.
• 31:57
  You got up there and what you said was is that you guys are in
• 32:01
  your beautiful homes with your swimming pools and your Shabbos
• 32:06
  kiddish and we have people suffering.
• 32:08
  You need to help them. I know exactly what's true.
• 32:10
  You were Dovington and I remember saying it.
• 32:13
  That was Robbie Vaughn and Shul. I said yes.
• 32:17
  I regretted the statement afterwards.
• 32:19
  I don't believe I sound. I didn't intend to sound that
• 32:22
  the way before I speak. I usually say it's Phyllis,
• 32:24
  Derek, I have no idea. I speak unscripted and the
• 32:27
  statement was meant it it was it didn't come out the way it was
• 32:30
  intended. But you were right.
• 32:32
  Yes, I did it one time. I knew exactly 1 single time and
• 32:34
  it might be working for. You I'm I'm shocked.
• 32:37
  I I thought it was just like your MO, like this is how
• 32:39
  you're. One time I made that statement,
• 32:40
  it was the second year I spoke in Rabbit Vine.
• 32:42
  The first year I spoke when the show was in Rosselle, down there
• 32:46
  in Hurwitz's house. You know, I have to tell you, I
• 32:48
  feel terrible because you're, here's a guy who left a jewelry
• 32:51
  business. I started an organization for
• 32:53
  our community walks on Shabbos for hours to speak in the
• 32:56
  community shul. And I felt this and it's
• 32:58
  unbelievable. You did the right thing, but
• 33:00
  it's honestly I, I grew from that.
• 33:03
  And I said, it doesn't matter. He must at the end of the day,
• 33:06
  what I said to myself ultimately, like a few weeks
• 33:08
  later is that you're in it. And when you're so deep in it, I
• 33:12
  felt like you were in the quicksand and there was so much
• 33:15
  going on around you of people that needed help.
• 33:16
  And it's hard for you to walk to a shul through swimming pools
• 33:19
  and houses and just, and I'm like, I don't have a swimming
• 33:21
  pool. Well, for me, I'm not you.
• 33:23
  Know so it was it was a mistake to make the comment and I'm sure
• 33:26
  I've made other mistakes but I remember that single time I just
• 33:28
  made that mistake I knew exactly what it was firstly I spoken the
• 33:31
  news to Robert Viners. I made that statement, it was a
• 33:33
  mistake, I regretted it almost immediately.
• 33:35
  And it's difficult to all day long meet with people who can't
• 33:40
  afford toilet paper and then try to relay their anxiety, their
• 33:48
  fear, their loneliness, the helplessness to people who are
• 33:51
  living so well. And nonetheless, I have to be
• 33:54
  regarded after any more done the cops cause for people.
• 33:57
  I shouldn't bench them with money.
• 33:59
  Let them live. I know exactly when that
• 34:01
  happened. One single time I made that
• 34:02
  mistake and I've been walking for 20 years.
• 34:05
  I've been speaking in shules. I walk as far as Chestnut Ridge
• 34:07
  Rd. to Chestnut Ridge Ribelang. I walk all the way out to the
• 34:10
  other way. My furthest ever walk was 7 1/2
• 34:12
  miles each way to the top of a Pomona up on you're.
• 34:14
  Kidding. 7 1/2 miles on each way.
• 34:17
  Came home 5 O clock in the afternoon.
• 34:18
  Been walking for 10s of years. That was my singular biggest
• 34:23
  mistake. That comment I made Robert Vine
• 34:24
  and shul. Only time I ever made the
• 34:26
  comment how. How would you say things
• 34:29
  differently now? What would you say to to
• 34:31
  penetrate my heart? I don't say anymore.
• 34:33
  What would you say then? Well, I do I.
• 34:35
  Go from shul to shul. I share with them what's going
• 34:37
  on, and I leave it at that. They can do with it whatever
• 34:40
  they want. The pun of it, Shirov used to
• 34:42
  say when he knocked on the door, he hoped no one answered.
• 34:45
  How was that week, that Shabbos when I walked Robbie Vine and
• 34:48
  shul, How was that a success? I have to do my stylus and walk,
• 34:53
  and then I walked back. That's all I had to do.
• 34:56
  The fact that I spoke a few minutes, fine, messed up, but I
• 35:00
  still did my estados and that's enough for me.
• 35:03
  I've walked for hours and hours and hours.
• 35:05
  Doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't bother.
• 35:07
  It's I I celebrated it gives me ishbadas.
• 35:10
  Clear my mind. Think of the cases.
• 35:12
  How can we make a difference? Am I doing enough?
• 35:15
  Make it has been enough. Everything is going on out
• 35:17
  yourself, totally by yourself. There's no cell phone.
• 35:20
  There's no one to see if you leave your house 6:00 in the
• 35:24
  morning early. It depends how far you're
• 35:25
  walking. And you just walk and the
• 35:27
  streets are quiet and you just left to yourself.
• 35:29
  And it's wonderful. And so I made a mistake at that.
• 35:31
  How, how often do you, by the way, I love that you're, you're
• 35:35
  you remember it because. It obviously impacted the way
• 35:38
  made that mistake. Right.
• 35:39
  And then you learn from it and you and you move.
• 35:41
  You move on. How often do you do the Shabbos
• 35:43
  walks? I used to do it as a summer
• 35:45
  sport but it's very, very hard when it's 80 some odd degrees
• 35:51
  walking for hours. And how many shoes do you cover
• 35:53
  a year when you say that? I I want to know whoever any
• 35:56
  show will have me call my gun. Wow.
• 35:58
  So. I, I have to, I have to pause
• 36:01
  you there. I have a tremendous amount of
• 36:03
  respect for you for the things that you've done and I'm
• 36:05
  learning now about it. It's so mesmerizing to me
• 36:09
  because you know, when you see an organization, you don't
• 36:13
  really realize the person behind it had to drop every success
• 36:17
  that he had financially and his and on his way of
• 36:20
  entrepreneurship and in terms of doing this.
• 36:22
  So kudos to you and thank you. I want, I want to move to the
• 36:24
  other topic that I was thinking about is that you're seeing so
• 36:27
  much pain and it's difficult. You just said it a minute ago
• 36:31
  because how can I, you know what, but what do you do to
• 36:34
  remove yourself from that pain? I'm, I'm on a practical level.
• 36:37
  First of all, do you go on vacations?
• 36:38
  Do you, do you go away? Do you watch television?
• 36:41
  You don't, you don't have a smartphone.
• 36:42
  So how do you disconnect? Who is your person?
• 36:47
  Everybody in trauma that deals with things.
• 36:49
  I always say like a hotel of members need someone to debrief
• 36:52
  to unwind with. You know, there's, you're seeing
• 36:54
  a lot, you're seeing the depth of a lot of negativity that goes
• 36:58
  on in this world, unfortunately. And that boss call that you
• 37:01
  referred to, you're the one that gets to see that and it's very,
• 37:04
  very challenging. I can't imagine how how tolling
• 37:07
  it is on you. And you're, you know, just in
• 37:08
  general your lifestyle, when and how do you disconnect so.
• 37:13
  I'm going to need a few minutes to respond to that.
• 37:15
  Let me first go to why am I here today?
• 37:17
  Why did I take off time to come today?
• 37:20
  And that's related to your question.
• 37:23
  Every challenge is addressed by a hero.
• 37:27
  I focus on the most amazing people whom I have met who
• 37:31
  quietly do heroic things. I remember a man who gave me
• 37:36
  $10,000 to give to his ex-wife. His kids were out of the house.
• 37:40
  It wasn't for his kids. He just said I once was married
• 37:42
  to that woman and she doesn't have an easy please give her
• 37:45
  10,000. Don't tell it came from me.
• 37:47
  I remember a family who was saving up for dining room set
• 37:51
  and there was a house fire and the neighbors were collecting
• 37:54
  and the husband and wife turned over all the money they'd saved
• 37:58
  from the dining room set that they'll they'll find with a
• 38:00
  folding table and folding chairs.
• 38:02
  I remember two brothers in Fields who had raised a small
• 38:07
  amount of money for Purim, and I asked to meet with them.
• 38:09
  Why did they want the parents couldn't understand.
• 38:11
  I'm coming up. Maybe they raised $40.
• 38:13
  I don't remember what it was. Why they coming up said I want
• 38:16
  to meet them and I challenged them.
• 38:18
  I said, what more can you do? Think big, let's do it together.
• 38:24
  And they started kids with filling.
• 38:26
  People who cannot afford basics can't afford to buy filling for
• 38:29
  the kids. So they now they run it by the
• 38:32
  way, they run it with the family kids with filling.
• 38:36
  That's one of our divisions. It's we, we partner with anyone.
• 38:39
  Then the two hero ladies who started are Gown, Gamache.
• 38:43
  Then there's a Stifle crew families who run Bobby's Place.
• 38:46
  I'm asking you what your outlet is and how you disconnect, and
• 38:48
  you're telling me how much more you connect.
• 38:50
  Because that is my outlet. The heroes keep me going.
• 38:54
  Everyone has a talent. Everyone can and must do
• 38:57
  something. I'm surrounded by people and
• 39:00
  encouraged by people who rise to the occasion.
• 39:04
  There are no great people, the common people who do great
• 39:07
  things. And I feel bad that in one
• 39:11
  misstatement, I misspoke for all of them because these people are
• 39:16
  heroes. The kid who holds, who runs the
• 39:18
  lemonade stand to raise money, People who open gallon gamachs,
• 39:23
  people who teach courses we have not education division
• 39:26
  volunteers teaching courses, people who calling in job with
• 39:29
  jobs. That's my therapy.
• 39:32
  These people drive us. They encourage us.
• 39:36
  I took the time to be on a podcast because every single
• 39:39
  person can and must. Everyone has a talent.
• 39:43
  Some people can help financially.
• 39:45
  Other people have a talent. Imagine if every person
• 39:47
  listening to this podcast called in with one job opening.
• 39:50
  That's what encourages me. I live a charmed existence.
• 39:55
  I meet challenges, but then I meet the heroes who address
• 39:57
  those challenges. It's the most incredible life.
• 40:00
  It can't describe to you what it's like.
• 40:02
  I'm a kind of node in this world.
• 40:04
  Every day I feel like I've won a lottery.
• 40:06
  Horrific challenges right now. This morning I met with there's
• 40:10
  a husband and wife who have major shell and bias problems.
• 40:13
  It's due to finances. If we can address those finances
• 40:16
  and I'm talking about it's a young couple.
• 40:18
  Get the man a solid job, help his Panosa.
• 40:22
  You can save a marriage and someone's going to do it.
• 40:25
  The only question is who it is and that takes place all the
• 40:27
  time. I don't get down, I get up.
• 40:30
  I'm encouraged. It's it's the most amazing thing
• 40:33
  to see Colliesville band together.
• 40:36
  In most beautiful way, absolutely beautiful.
• 40:38
  But I'm still going to push you for an answer.
• 40:39
  Do you read books? Do you watch movies?
• 40:41
  You listen to music? You go on to the beach?
• 40:43
  Do you go for walks? You're telling me that you the
• 40:46
  the walk that you go to on the shul for Shabbos to talk about
• 40:49
  that? That's the best.
• 40:50
  That's what I'm trying to extract something more.
• 40:51
  OK, yes. Maybe I'm going to get your wife
• 40:53
  here. I need to No.
• 40:53
  No, no, I do. I love reading books.
• 40:55
  OK, there we. Go I'm a voracious reader and
• 40:57
  I've grown from a lot of them. Sure.
• 40:59
  I just. I keep reading.
• 41:01
  You have any favorites? The one that impacted me the
• 41:03
  most was a book on Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs taught me how to run
• 41:07
  Tomeka Shabbos. No way.
• 41:09
  I just had to read his book. What he did is Apple Computer.
• 41:12
  You heard of Apple, right? You heard of the iPhone.
• 41:14
  Good. We'll do.
• 41:15
  OK. I don't know what it is.
• 41:16
  I don't have either one. But he was, he walked into a
• 41:20
  meeting and you're discussing something called an app.
• 41:23
  And they said obviously we're going to be the only ones create
• 41:25
  to create the apps. And he said no, anyone can
• 41:29
  create an app as long as it's approved by us.
• 41:32
  If I read nothing else but that, I realized in an instant,
• 41:36
  Twinkly Shabbos is not about what we can do.
• 41:39
  It's an open forum for involvement.
• 41:42
  It's a platform, not an organization.
• 41:45
  Anything you want to do to help your fellow get anything at all,
• 41:50
  Call me. I'll give out my number.
• 41:52
  No problem. 845-356-0202 ext 3 O four.
• 41:57
  I want to meet with you. Let's do this together.
• 42:00
  That's what I got from the Steve Jobs books.
• 42:02
  It's a platform. Anyone can do anything and you
• 42:04
  have talent. Do it.
• 42:05
  I love how everything I'm going to ask you leads back to your
• 42:08
  tone. Que Shabbos.
• 42:09
  Because it's really your life. It's really everything.
• 42:11
  It's amazing to me, unbelievable.
• 42:13
  It's the most beautiful. Life to live.
• 42:15
  I have to tell you that, you know, I've met with a lot of
• 42:18
  leaders of different organizations and this kind of
• 42:21
  answer I've never gotten and I, I don't think I'll ever get it,
• 42:24
  which is everything that I ask you about what, what you know,
• 42:27
  kind of release you have leads you back to that.
• 42:30
  But I like it. I like what's happening here.
• 42:32
  I like that, you know, you read and you learn something and you
• 42:34
  adapt it to your organization and you grow from that.
• 42:36
  What else do you go to the beach and learn from that?
• 42:38
  No. Do you bike?
• 42:40
  Yes. Oh, OK.
• 42:41
  I love biking. Really.
• 42:43
  I love biking. OK.
• 42:44
  Do you bike for Hi have? You ever done that?
• 42:46
  No, it's out of my league. First I bike only alone.
• 42:48
  Gives me time to be alone and I actually on the phone off during
• 42:52
  that period of time. Unless there's some emergency
• 42:53
  going on, I'll keep it on and I'll just bike slowly.
• 42:58
  Not the none of these bike for type.
• 43:00
  I'm not in that league. Got it.
• 43:01
  My bike is I spent real money on it.
• 43:03
  It was somewhere between 350 and $500 about 20 some odd years
• 43:07
  ago. It's real money and the long I
• 43:10
  use it, you know, if I amortize it, it's less per year.
• 43:14
  And I actually, I'd say, OK, I'm going to try these fancy bikes.
• 43:18
  I borrowed someone's $15,000 Italian bike that didn't work
• 43:21
  for me. No, didn't like it.
• 43:23
  I borrowed someone else's $3500 bike new.
• 43:25
  So I got my old bike. I said that's good.
• 43:28
  That's the bike I use. It's great.
• 43:31
  That's it's a great. It gives you time away and
• 43:35
  depending on what's going on that day, if I could, I could
• 43:38
  take as little as 15 minutes to ride.
• 43:40
  I only do it obviously in nice weather and at the longest
• 43:44
  you'll ever go is a 31 mile route on Heritage Trail, which
• 43:47
  takes me 3 hours and 10 minutes. I'm I'm a slow rider, but it's
• 43:51
  beautiful. You're way, you're fresh.
• 43:54
  It's amazing. Wow, OK, good.
• 43:56
  I'm I'm, I'm actually happy hearing this, that you do have
• 43:58
  those outlets. It's important.
• 44:01
  Anything else that would surprise me as far as your
• 44:03
  outlets are concerned or things that you get do do you vacation
• 44:06
  ever you go away? Yes, but it's not, you know,
• 44:08
  it's what we call vacation in the winter.
• 44:10
  We borrow someone's dear friend's house in Boca.
• 44:14
  OK, but I take it for 10 days or 12 to 10 between a week and 10
• 44:17
  days. I take my computer with me,
• 44:20
  cycle response emails, and I have my phone, but I'm working
• 44:23
  from there. OK, I can go for a bike ride.
• 44:26
  It's winter time, it's January, if I will, then I'll go for a
• 44:28
  bike ride. Come back, respond.
• 44:30
  I think I think it's important for for for me to know for
• 44:34
  people to know that when you're you're leading an organization,
• 44:37
  you want to run to first of all, that anyone can do anything.
• 44:39
  That's a great message that and it's true.
• 44:41
  Everyone has a talent within something that they can
• 44:43
  contribute. Is there something missing that
• 44:46
  you see in the world right now in terms of a need?
• 44:49
  I like what you're saying in terms of if there's someone that
• 44:51
  has something you can adapt to it.
• 44:53
  Is there something that you say to yourself like, oh, I wish
• 44:55
  this and this was, you know, you know, available or out there?
• 45:01
  I can't say I can't give you an answer there, because the
• 45:04
  greatest ideas right now are in the minds of people who have not
• 45:09
  yet contacted me but will contact me after I published my
• 45:11
  number. I don't know.
• 45:14
  My greatest concern is that we seem as a society to turn a
• 45:18
  little materialistic, which means turning inside.
• 45:21
  We're turning a little inward. And Kylie Sol's survival through
• 45:25
  the gullets has always been that we not only dobbbing Blush and
• 45:28
  Robin, but we live Blush and Robin.
• 45:31
  We look after each other and yes, people do, but maybe we
• 45:34
  could do more for each other if we could get more people
• 45:37
  involved. And I want to hear their ideas.
• 45:39
  There's so much need and I don't have a resolution, but they do
• 45:42
  and they can run, they can share whatever initiative they bring
• 45:47
  to us and we'll help them. We'll partner with them in to
• 45:49
  any extent they want. I love that.
• 45:51
  And and by the way, it's so funny for me to say this, but
• 45:53
  congratulations on what you've done because it's a big, it's a
• 45:57
  big feat. It's yatta dishmaya.
• 45:58
  Creating, creating that it's, it's you, you know, you can call
• 46:03
  it siata dishmaya. I can call it you're Stadlas.
• 46:06
  You know, you have to put that effort in in order for that
• 46:08
  siata dishmaya to happen. And boy, do you put in that
• 46:10
  effort. It's, it's amazing to me,
• 46:12
  astonishing. So, you know, there's, there's
• 46:14
  all that that's going on in your world of Shabbos and there's a
• 46:17
  lot that we can learn from. So I want to, you know, ask you
• 46:20
  this, a young couple comes to you and they're starting their
• 46:24
  life out and they live in Muncie, Lakewood, you know, a
• 46:28
  place where a house would be $1,000,000 taxes would be
• 46:31
  $20,000 a year. You know, what do you suggest?
• 46:36
  What do you tell a young couple that comes to you now and says,
• 46:39
  please help guide me, What should I do?
• 46:42
  In fact, maybe you can tell me even no, it's better for me to
• 46:45
  address a teenager or it's a it's a double question.
• 46:49
  At what point should or could you advise someone young in what
• 46:54
  direction to take for success in our world that we're living in
• 46:57
  with the challenges and the, you know, the pay socks and the
• 47:00
  private tuitions and all that stuff.
• 47:02
  And what would your advice be to them as a couple, growing or,
• 47:06
  you know, heading in a certain direction?
• 47:08
  Would you tell them where to live?
• 47:09
  Would you tell them how many kids to have?
• 47:11
  Would you tell them what What's not, schools to go to or careers
• 47:14
  to follow? When people come to me, I do
• 47:16
  caution them that money is one of the more expensive places in
• 47:18
  which to live, and I ask that they plan and do it as a couple.
• 47:22
  They have to plan as a couple, and what they have to do is try
• 47:26
  to start working in an industry with this potential for either
• 47:30
  them to go out on their own or make a very good living.
• 47:32
  There has to be a hobby, man. It has to be some plan, some
• 47:36
  trajectory because if they take a dead end job going nowhere,
• 47:39
  it's they're going to be struggling.
• 47:42
  Let's go deeper into that. You mentioned before, earlier,
• 47:44
  before we were just when you walked in about AI, you were
• 47:48
  joking because you don't have a smartphone.
• 47:50
  So AI is a big deal these days in this world.
• 47:53
  And it for all intents and purposes, it just means that
• 47:55
  computers and technology is taking over a lot of jobs.
• 47:59
  And you're aware of that. OK, So having that in mind and
• 48:04
  also the expenses of living in a certain community now re answer
• 48:08
  that question, how do you go into a business knowing that you
• 48:12
  it could be your own? And I think that was your
• 48:13
  suggestion like just go into something that you can start
• 48:16
  your own. Is that first of?
• 48:17
  All I'm not concerned about AI taking people's jobs because I
• 48:20
  remember when they started with EZ pass.
• 48:23
  You're not going to need tollbooth clerks ATM, not going
• 48:27
  to need a bank teller, but the post office.
• 48:30
  In fact, you never interact with people anymore.
• 48:32
  You push 3 + 6 down on your head saying, OK, at the end of the
• 48:36
  day, more people are employed in America.
• 48:38
  They were before they started this because people are employed
• 48:41
  in the industries that create all that those functions.
• 48:44
  And I've what I've lived through the cycle.
• 48:46
  I remember what they invented, calculators.
• 48:48
  Remember you? What was this?
• 48:50
  My brother Michael, he's 65. His bum mitzvah, he got a
• 48:53
  calculator, But my Bumitz was two years.
• 48:56
  It's OK. So 52 years ago, they had just
• 49:00
  he got a cat. We were fascinated.
• 49:02
  We sat around the dining room table as a family looking at
• 49:05
  this machine that we were taught.
• 49:07
  My father was big and all of us doing math in our heads.
• 49:09
  And we found that this clunky machine wasn't so small, was
• 49:13
  able to do his math as fast as us.
• 49:15
  We're fascinated so and, and as we go on, then came the computer
• 49:19
  and the cell phone and the ATM is an easy pass.
• 49:22
  And so wait a second, everyone's going to be unemployed.
• 49:24
  So given what your concerns are, AI, everyone should be
• 49:27
  unemployed now because everyone has machines doing everything.
• 49:30
  And it's a you call, it used to be a memory.
• 49:32
  You go to a company that had a secretary in front.
• 49:34
  I remember one of my clients said JC Penney.
• 49:36
  I was so annoyed. You go to the corporate office
• 49:38
  and instead of the receptionist greeting you at every floor,
• 49:43
  there's a telephone on the desk and you have to dial into the
• 49:46
  extension of the person meeting with them thinking this is
• 49:48
  horrible. They just replace every
• 49:51
  receptionist for every floor of JC Penney.
• 49:53
  OK, at the end of the day, employment is greater today than
• 49:55
  it was back then, so that doesn't concern me greatly.
• 49:59
  Interesting point. OK, so back to where we were
• 50:00
  with the couple. Yes, couples coming to you.
• 50:02
  So, OK, so if there's no one answer, I usually call library
• 50:06
  Mark, what's into the meeting, who is job place?
• 50:08
  If we talk about different positions that might be open
• 50:11
  industries, some are very dangerous, like Amazon.
• 50:14
  Amazon shuts people off like that on a regular basis.
• 50:17
  I have people come to with hundreds of thousands of dollars
• 50:19
  in credit card debt and inventory that's worth far less
• 50:22
  than they paid for it. So that's a dangerous thing.
• 50:24
  But there are some. I know Walmart's we have people
• 50:28
  have gone into eBay, something people forgot about, but we sit
• 50:32
  down and discuss different industries and it's hopefully
• 50:35
  they go into other people besides myself and Ivy
• 50:37
  Markowitz, because there's no one true answer.
• 50:40
  What what listen, Markowitz says.
• 50:41
  They'll tend to ask them what's your interests?
• 50:43
  Where's your heart? What what focus do you have to
• 50:46
  help guard? Let them guard themselves a
• 50:48
  little bit. Then we might be able to pick up
• 50:51
  the phone and partner them with someone, introduce them to
• 50:54
  someone with in that field. Got it.
• 50:56
  So that's for the career, but what else do you tell?
• 50:58
  What other advice do you give to young people that telling them
• 51:01
  to look out for for their lives to live a lifestyle?
• 51:04
  They have to learn the word budgeting is not a good word
• 51:08
  because it's it's a restrictive word.
• 51:10
  Fiscal sanity, fiscal fiscal stability.
• 51:15
  At any point in the in the economic range, they can and
• 51:19
  must make wise economic decisions.
• 51:22
  I'd like to highlight two organizations doing marvellous
• 51:24
  work. One is Masila.
• 51:25
  Masila was started by an outstanding Jew called Shmuli
• 51:28
  Margulies, and he's one who invented the concept of you have
• 51:32
  a financial coach, you sit down, my husband and wife have to do
• 51:36
  it together and keep an A spreadsheet.
• 51:38
  And this way you don't fall into trouble.
• 51:40
  You don't run into trouble, you don't fall into it.
• 51:42
  It's a hole. The other organization is called
• 51:44
  Living Smarter Jewish. It's an OU initiative.
• 51:47
  I'm close with both organizations.
• 51:48
  What's the difference? They both have coaches.
• 51:50
  A mosquito charges. Living Smarter Jewish does not
• 51:54
  charge. But if someone has financial
• 51:56
  ability, let's go to Moseela. You know something?
• 51:59
  If you pay for a service, you're going to take it more seriously.
• 52:03
  Our education division, by the way, we used to charge $100 for
• 52:06
  the full semester. If they attended every class,
• 52:08
  they got a full refund because they had something in there.
• 52:10
  So in a similar manner, if they have a financial coach, they
• 52:13
  learn to live more carefully. I remember meeting someone in
• 52:16
  Brooklyn once who was a young man, told me he was in
• 52:19
  significant debt. When I met him, he owned 2
• 52:21
  rental homes besides his own and he said Shimuli Margulies
• 52:24
  coached him in the early years of Masila and he was he was fine
• 52:28
  and he's now has investments. Beautiful.
• 52:30
  We had someone here from RSK also that does something similar
• 52:33
  great, the financial coaching. So your advice really is
• 52:35
  financial coaching? Financial coaching is so
• 52:37
  important, right? And someone doesn't have the
• 52:40
  ability, financial ability to hire a coach.
• 52:42
  Go to livingsmarterjewish.org. Right, that, that is good advice
• 52:46
  actually. So, you know, and, and you're,
• 52:49
  you're saying so many smart things in terms of, you know,
• 52:52
  lifestyle and living. And I threw that question at you
• 52:54
  that you got a little nauseous from when I said, you know, do
• 52:57
  you tell them how many kids to have?
• 52:58
  I, I, I asked that question because it's something that I
• 53:02
  think about in terms of, you know, you have a mitzvah to have
• 53:05
  kids and to bring them to this world.
• 53:07
  Yep. Did this question ever come up
• 53:09
  to go all the way to up high? And I wonder which is do you
• 53:12
  keep having kids if you know you can't afford it?
• 53:14
  If you have a if you have a disability, let's say you're the
• 53:16
  kind of husband or wife and you're sitting together and you
• 53:19
  know that you have the Max capacity of bringing a certain
• 53:22
  amount of income because of whatever, you know, thing you
• 53:25
  mentioned before that you know, you're your boss Cole or
• 53:27
  whatever it was. What do you do then?
• 53:29
  Is that a discussion to have? Is that something that you ever
• 53:31
  think about? Each person has their own rub.
• 53:33
  I'll share with you something Rob Schlesinger told me.
• 53:35
  Rob, I forgot. Say Stroll Schlesinger told me
• 53:38
  that when you or someone has a baby in the hospital, they send
• 53:42
  the mother home with a care package.
• 53:44
  And he says a cottage borough who does the same thing, they
• 53:46
  allow the challenges that the parents are going to have, some
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  of which can be financial. But a cottage borough who sends
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  a laundry care package? I will not answer that question
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  on this podcast or to Eddie Yochid, but people have come
• 53:57
  through with that and I refer them to their own Das Torah, not
• 54:01
  mine, dear Das Torah. And it's, I get it.
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  But do you have an opinion on it?
• 54:05
  Nope. My opinion is you defer to
• 54:08
  Dastura. OK?
• 54:09
  It's not my place, I hear. So, so that's not something you
• 54:11
  want to get into, not at all. So because obviously it's a lot
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  of money to have a lot of kids and the private school.
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  For a moment, yeah. Had I had the number of kids I
• 54:20
  could afford, You know, when I was starting my business, there
• 54:23
  were two years I made almost no money.
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  The bank was trying to take my house.
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  Had I cut back And there were tough years?
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  He said. You know, one of my children,
• 54:30
  ask them, there were tough years and they only had the number of
• 54:33
  children could afford what happened then afterwards when
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  Barsham was. So that's my personal take on
• 54:38
  that, but I'm not going to apply for someone else.
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  But I'm Barsham very pleased that it was impossible.
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  We didn't, we couldn't afford food.
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  We went through the toughest of times, but we kept moving
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  forward and the care package came with each child and Barsham
• 54:54
  life turned easier. Right.
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  That's actually beautiful. I, you know, I resonate with it
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  a little bit. I have to tell you, when I
• 55:00
  started off also, there were times that was like how we can
• 55:03
  make Shabbos. That's correct.
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  You know, I shared this once on the podcast.
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  It was very difficult for me to share it then, but I already
• 55:10
  shared it once. I'll say it to you, so you hear
• 55:12
  it is that we, we didn't know we were in such a bad situation
• 55:18
  that we were thinking, it's getting close to Chavez and no
• 55:20
  one's inviting us for a meal. What do we do?
• 55:23
  And that feeling I carry with me for the rest of my life.
• 55:27
  It's most horrific thing and I met someone who told me that he
• 55:31
  and his wife were debating they could afford one of two things,
• 55:34
  either a dip or a salad. Didn't know which one.
• 55:36
  They didn't have enough money for both.
• 55:39
  I don't have an alarm clock. These things keep me awake at
• 55:42
  night. I get a very, very.
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  I just can't stop thinking about these things.
• 55:46
  The stories drive me. Yeah, yeah, as they should.
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  I need to go back to the question you asked before.
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  Oh, please, yes, you asked me what's missing.
• 55:54
  Oh. Yes.
• 55:55
  Of course, the biggest thing that's missing is I'm waiting
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  for this and this someone is going to come up with a
• 56:00
  solution. The challenge is age
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  discrimination is a lot. I know so many people in the
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  60s, talented, successful people.
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  No one wants to hire them. Age discrimination is out there.
• 56:15
  I'm looking for someone. I'm challenging anyone to come
• 56:18
  up with a solution. I need to change the trajectory.
• 56:22
  We need to change the way we look at these old people.
• 56:24
  When I used to work in Asia, back in Asia, they respect the
• 56:27
  elders. They defer to the elders.
• 56:29
  Here, we respect the youth. The cool guy with the Ferragamo
• 56:32
  belt, he's got the answer to my company.
• 56:34
  He's who I got to bring in. I just spoke the other day to
• 56:37
  someone in his 60s. He would manage real estate for
• 56:41
  30 years. He's a master at it.
• 56:44
  They sold the portfolio. He's unemployed now.
• 56:47
  Last night I were, I was working in the warehouse, a man who's
• 56:50
  got to be high 50s, young 60s. He came over to me quietly.
• 56:53
  He said I still don't have a job.
• 56:54
  Is there anything you can do? That was last night.
• 56:56
  It happens every day. I got to be honest with you, I
• 56:59
  wish I speak about this with my friends sometimes that we can
• 57:02
  open up a company that doesn't make money.
• 57:04
  It doesn't have to, it could, it could flat even out, but just
• 57:06
  gives people jobs correctly, you know.
• 57:08
  So I implore the world to answer that question because that can
• 57:12
  answer that as well. You can give a job to anybody.
• 57:14
  It could be 60, it could be 70. I experienced what you're
• 57:16
  talking about by the way, I'm I'm currently speaking to people
• 57:19
  that are over 60 and are having a hard time.
• 57:21
  Terrible and one have to hard time there's no one will hire
• 57:23
  them what's supposed to what's supposed to happen.
• 57:25
  I can tell you stories from that you more than you have time in
• 57:28
  this podcast for people who have died, poor people.
• 57:32
  I know a man 80s. It's a horrible story.
• 57:34
  By the time he was he was poor in a home.
• 57:37
  He was a decent man. He was if I'm not mistaken, he
• 57:40
  had a PhD or something. A successful.
• 57:42
  No one wants him. What do you mean no one wants
• 57:44
  him? Is that the best we can do as a
• 57:45
  society? No one wants you.
• 57:47
  But I have one thing I can tell you, I believe with every fiber
• 57:51
  of my being that a coach bro who takes notes.
• 57:53
  And one day I'm going to be old. And if I stop for one second and
• 57:57
  realize that it comes around, I think I'm going to have a
• 57:59
  different perspective. Yeah, very well said.
• 58:01
  I appreciate where you're coming from.
• 58:03
  The idea of the discrimination thing, it's difficult.
• 58:07
  I wish there was some sort of company that we can all, you
• 58:10
  know, chip into and run and have those jobs available.
• 58:14
  But we the definitely the idea of thinking about it and
• 58:17
  discussing it is a step further. So I'm happy you're bringing it
• 58:20
  up. I once built a business plan.
• 58:22
  I wrote a business plan for a Co optly owned matzo bakery.
• 58:25
  You can't outsource that to China.
• 58:27
  One of the few things you can't, which is why I scripted it.
• 58:30
  Co optly owned by the employees it was.
• 58:33
  I simply don't have the bandwidth to create that.
• 58:36
  Again, the concept is what that there's a.
• 58:38
  They themselves that not age discrimination is not going to
• 58:41
  not present each of these people own highly of their business and
• 58:45
  it'll be disproportionate, which means the people at the Top Gun
• 58:47
  or whatever it's a run, run Amata Bakery, own it.
• 58:50
  It's completely yours. And then they can tell
• 58:52
  Arbumenium six months later and those two will be a Paranasa.
• 58:56
  It cannot be outsourced to Asia and there's no age
• 59:00
  discrimination and it's their business.
• 59:01
  That's what I wanted to do. I actually she wrote a business
• 59:03
  plan for it, but I just have that much bandwidth, right?
• 59:06
  But I'm looking someone out there is going to have a
• 59:08
  solution if they can hire someone older that that's the
• 59:11
  most intense thing. How Kurdish Park will take note.
• 59:14
  Yeah. No, I appreciate that.
• 59:15
  The idea of a business plan that you wrote, I mean that's, those
• 59:19
  are good ideas to do, but finding those people to take
• 59:23
  ownership of that, that's the challenge.
• 59:25
  But. We're going to partner with
• 59:26
  anyone. Anyone wants to do something?
• 59:28
  My phone number 845-356-0202 ext to a throat.
• 59:32
  We will partner with you. So, so and we'll put the number
• 59:35
  on the bottom, but yes, what I'm saying is so, so the idea and
• 59:38
  the concept that you're saying is if someone has the ability to
• 59:41
  take on the project, yes, then let's do it.
• 59:43
  I'll partner, you'll partner up. With them 100%.
• 59:45
  And I love that and I love everything about you and what
• 59:48
  you're doing. And I appreciate you being here
• 59:49
  so much and, and, and just taking the time to explain to us
• 59:53
  who you are. The background of Tom Hay and,
• 59:55
  and everything that's been done with it.
• 59:56
  It's, it's just fascinating. Do you have any questions for
• 59:59
  me? It's just something I'd like to
• 1:00:00
  ask my guests. As a matter of fact, they don't.
• 1:00:04
  I apologize. My mind, my mind is I have to
• 1:00:06
  know the truth. My mind is going back to the
• 1:00:08
  office I got. I got 1,000,000 cases since I
• 1:00:10
  did. Questions.
• 1:00:11
  What questions do I got to go back to?
• 1:00:12
  I got to get. There, there's so many cases
• 1:00:14
  every time I'm going to go right down to the to the office right
• 1:00:16
  now. Wow, OK, I I appreciate that.
• 1:00:20
  Before I let you go though I do, I'll ask my guest also another
• 1:00:23
  question, which is if you open the podcast tomorrow, who would
• 1:00:26
  you ask to be your first guest? Is there someone that comes to
• 1:00:28
  mind? It's an interesting question.
• 1:00:30
  I'm going to give you an answer. You don't expect a man called
• 1:00:33
  Mickey Montel. You know who Mona Montel is?
• 1:00:36
  Yes, I do. Her husband is one of the most
• 1:00:38
  fantastic people he'll ever meet.
• 1:00:40
  He shared a room in a hotel with a man called Shama Kalbach.
• 1:00:45
  He's been around the block, experienced more than you ever
• 1:00:48
  might imagine. He's had one of the most
• 1:00:50
  fantastically interesting lives. Anyone.
• 1:00:52
  It's very but completely different than any other person
• 1:00:54
  you'll ever have on this podcast.
• 1:00:56
  I can't wait. I don't know if we'll do it.
• 1:00:57
  I didn't ask him. You're going to ask.
• 1:00:59
  Him. I'm going to know you're going
• 1:01:00
  to ask him. I thought you can say, you can
• 1:01:01
  mention I mentioned it. He's most interesting person
• 1:01:04
  he'll ever meet. Yeah, someone actually was here
• 1:01:05
  who recommended Mona, so you know, just she's a busy woman,
• 1:01:10
  You. Know Moan is very I'm very close
• 1:01:11
  with Mona. Yeah, yeah, she's very busy.
• 1:01:13
  And but we'll get her. We'll get her husband.
• 1:01:15
  I like this idea. I love the concept.
• 1:01:18
  Look, I, I appreciate everything you're doing and I, I now
• 1:01:21
  understand better, you know, the world of Tom Hay.
• 1:01:24
  The volunteer part that people can participate is mostly the
• 1:01:27
  Thursday night. Times will we change it to
• 1:01:29
  Wednesday night? OK ladies come to the warehouse
• 1:01:32
  Wednesday during the day, OK? And they bag a produce.
• 1:01:35
  So Wednesday is available for anybody in the Muncie community.
• 1:01:38
  But the the real volunteer the volunteers could be teach a
• 1:01:41
  course get involved in family. You want to save a family.
• 1:01:43
  I can part you with a part with a family.
• 1:01:45
  Amazing. I made a lot.
• 1:01:47
  Another man last night at the warehouse came to me.
• 1:01:49
  His business is struggling. He needs a business coach.
• 1:01:51
  OK, We have volunteer business coaches, by the way.
• 1:01:53
  OK. Can you save a man's business?
• 1:01:55
  Get involved in something. Go ahead.
• 1:01:56
  Volunteer in that way. No problem.
• 1:01:58
  Then one million ways to volunteer and we'll set you up
• 1:02:00
  at the right thing. Whatever works for you, I love.
• 1:02:02
  It, I think that's going to be the title of the podcast.
• 1:02:04
  There's a million ways to volunteer and that's.
• 1:02:07
  And before we saw an off, I want to apologize for the K, the
• 1:02:10
  statement that made in shul. It was a mistake, but you
• 1:02:13
  learned from your mistakes. You know what?
• 1:02:15
  The fact that you're owning up to it like that is so it's just
• 1:02:18
  amazing to see you as a person and to get to know you.
• 1:02:21
  Every time I see you, you're jumping from 1 headset project
• 1:02:24
  to the next. And if it's not your family
• 1:02:26
  you're busy with, it's that. But you are a person that's a
• 1:02:29
  man of your word. When you say something, you do
• 1:02:31
  it. I've had a lot of experiences
• 1:02:33
  with you and you're on top of everything.
• 1:02:35
  And there's so much going on in your world.
• 1:02:37
  Hashem should continue to bless you to have Caius to keep going.
• 1:02:40
  And of course, we shouldn't have the need for Tom Chi Shabbos.
• 1:02:43
  But we do need people in the community that step up and get
• 1:02:47
  involved. And you, as, like I said in the
• 1:02:49
  beginning, are a true leader of our community and a friend and a
• 1:02:52
  person that I will call Rabbi. So Rabbi Alan Rose, like thank
• 1:02:55
  you so much for joining us. Thank you for having that's a
• 1:02:57
  wrap. That was really, really.