Latest / Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News / The Farmhouse Protocol: Why your children need the dirt

Transcript

The Farmhouse Protocol: Why your children need the dirt · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:08
  Hard-hitting medical truth.
• 0:10
  Cutting through conflict and confusion to the understanding you're searching for.
• 0:15
  Join Dr.
• 0:16
  Peter McCullough, world-renowned medical expert and practicing physician for this edition of the McCullough Report.
• 0:24
  Your life may depend on it.
• 0:26
  Let's get real.
• 0:27
  Let's get loud on America Loud Talk News.
• 0:30
  This is the McCullough Report.
• 0:31
  And I'm Dr.
• 0:31
  Peter McCullough, your host.
• 0:33
  This week I've decided to go through a series of stories.
• 0:36
  You've seen me out in the media, and I've provided commentary on a variety of topics.
• 0:41
  Certainly we've seen a tremendous stories develop, certainly out of Washington, geopolitics, public health policy, and the list goes on and on.
• 0:53
  But the first I wanted to tackle was an appearance I had on Newsmax, The Front Line on April 17th, 2025 with Carl Higby, somebody who I know.
• 1:04
  And in that show, Carl had some more down-to-earth kind of good old Americana stories.
• 1:13
  One was about owning land and mowing lawns, and so he had two gentlemen on describing the whole issue of mowing very large lawns Carl commented that he had a farm and he goes back there and how restorative it is to have a farm.
• 1:30
  And then that rolled into my interview.
• 1:43
  And Connecticut Democrat Rosa Deloro was confronting Robert F.
• 1:52
  Kenny at a congressional hearing, and she brought up this whole issue of drinking raw milk, which I'll get to her and Kennedy in a minute, but I wanted to give you the backdrop on drinking raw milk.
• 2:04
  So let me tell you up front, I personally have never had raw milk, and I know many of you have potentially those in the health freedom movement may uh advocate drinking raw milk.
• 2:16
  So I decided to go over this and uh, you know, give you some information, give you some backdrop about drinking raw milk, and that's before the era of pasteurization.
• 2:27
  Remember, Louis Pasteur, uh, a man of great controversy in terms of making a whole series of false claims that we outline in our book, Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality.
• 2:41
  One of the things he did do is he contributed to this uh important process of pasteurization, that is uh heating milk and killing uh the various organisms is in it, the bacteria and parasites and making milk milk more making milk more uh safe to drink.
• 3:08
  And we outlined in our book that prior to that, when uh children drank soured milk and the milk directly from the cow would sour very, very quickly, and before there was any understanding of infectious diseases at all, uh, drinking milk could be quite dangerous.
• 3:26
  The mortality rate for children was astronomical, and we highlight this in our book.
• 3:33
  Uh, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality.
• 3:38
  So let's get into this whole issue and where we are, particularly Carl Higby at Newsmax.
• 3:44
  The farmhouse paradox reclaiming resilience in the age of sterility.
• 3:49
  Today we're peeling back the layers on a concept that has dominated modern pediatrics for decades, the so-called hygiene hypothesis.
• 3:57
  This is an idea that promised us a world free of disease through uh the magic of scrubbing, sanitizing, and isolating our children from the very environment they evolved to inhabit.
• 4:09
  So, this is getting to this issue of excessive cleanliness, uh, just the opposite of living on a farm or drinking raw milk.
• 4:18
  So, but as we look at the skyrocketing rates of asthma, eczema, autoimmune conditions, we have to ask Did we trade our children's immune resilience for a bottle of antibacterial soap?
• 4:31
  Our modern obsession with sterility has not made us healthier, it has made us fragile, creating a generation whose immune systems starved of the environmental signals they were designed to process, are now turning against them.
• 4:45
  The original premise of the hygiene hypothesis formed uh formulated in the late 1980s was simple.
• 4:51
  By living in an overly clean environments, children weren't being exposed to the microbial training their immune systems desperately needed.
• 5:01
  The immune system is not a static defense force.
• 5:04
  It's a learning machine.
• 5:06
  In the first few years of life, it performs high-stakes balancing act between two arms.
• 5:11
  The TH1 response, the T helper 1 response, which fights off intracellular pathogens like viruses, and the TH2, uh T cell helper 2 response, which is responsible for allergic reactions.
• 5:24
  When a society prioritizes sterile surfaces and processed dead food, the immune system often defaults to an overactive TH2 state, that is allergic state.
• 5:36
  Without the constant healthy chatter of soil-based organisms, parasites, and diverse bacteria, to keep the immune system occupied, it begins to hallucinate threats.
• 5:46
  That is, you know, generating allergic or autoimmune responses.
• 5:51
  It starts to uh starts attacking harmless proteins like pollen, peanuts, or pet dander.
• 5:57
  We call this an allergy.
• 5:59
  In more severe cases, it turns out our own tissues leading to autoimmune dysfunction.
• 6:04
  So this is an important concept.
• 6:06
  You know, proteins in pollen or peanuts or dairy or egg or even pet dander, those are harmless proteins.
• 6:15
  They really should not harm us at all.
• 6:18
  What's harmful to us is developing an allergy to them.
• 6:22
  And you know what I'm proposing here is that maybe this is because we have become too sterile in our environmental rearing of our children and of ourselves.
• 6:34
  So if we want to see what a properly calibrated immune system looks like, we shouldn't look at a suburban apartment floor.
• 6:42
  We should look at a traditional diversified farm.
• 6:45
  Researchers have constantly documented the farm effect.
• 6:49
  Children raised on traditional farms, those that house livestock store hay and operate with a high degree of microbial biodiversity, consistently show significantly lower rates of asthma, allergies compared to urban counterparts.
• 7:00
  Rates of asthma, allergies compared to urban counterparts.
• 7:04
  This isn't just about getting dirty, it's about the specific diverse microbial exposure that comes from living in close proximity to animals.
• 7:04
  This isn't just about getting dirty, it's about the specific diverse microbial exposure that comes from living in close proximity to animals.
• 7:12
  When a child breathes in the air of a barn, and I remember as a kid playing in my uncle's barn a lot, they are inhaling a complex cocktail of endotoxins and bacterial debris.
• 7:12
  When a child breathes in the air of a barn, and I remember as a kid playing in my uh uncle's barn a lot, they are inhaling a complex cocktail of endotoxins and bacterial debris.
• 7:26
  While conventional medicine might label this as unclean, the immune system recognizes it as a symphony of biologic information.
• 7:26
  Well, conventional medicine might label
• 7:35
  This exposure acts as a natural immunotherapy, effectively taming the TH2 response and forcing the immune system to recognize what is a threat and what is merely a neighbor.
• 7:47
  Now we must address the most controversial aspect of this farm-based immunity, raw milk.
• 7:52
  To the modern industrial medical complex, raw milk is public health enemy number one.
• 7:57
  I think that's probably an overstatement, but they warn that pathogens and the dangers of unpasteurized unpasteurized dairy, yet we examine the actual data, a starkly different narrative emerges for some.
• 8:10
  Raw milk is not merely a beverage, it's a complex biological delivery system.
• 8:15
  When raw milk is pasteurized, it's heated to temperatures that effectively kill the product.
• 8:21
  Well, you know, it kills the bacteria and fungi and parasites in the product.
• 8:27
  Yes, you kill the bacteria, but you denature delicate proteins, destroy uh enzymatic profiles, wipe out the beneficial comensal uh microbes that may have evolved with humans over the millennia.
• 8:40
  Importantly, you're destroying the disease-fighting antibodies called colostrum, that's part of milk from the cows.
• 8:48
  Now, we don't know how beneficial, you know, a cow's antibodies are uh as you know, grass-eating ruminants to humans, but that's the theory.
• 8:59
  The immunological evidence supporting raw milk consumption is substantial.
• 9:03
  Several landmark European studies have meticulously documented the correlation between raw milk and improved outcomes.
• 9:09
  The Parsifal study, which investigated over 14,800 children across several European countries, identified a significant inverse association between farm milk consumption and childhood asthma.
• 9:22
  Regardless of the child's living environment, those who consume raw milk exhibited lower rates of allergic disease.
• 9:30
  Building on this, the Gabriella study, 8,334 participants took the research further by objectively testing milk samples from the participants' homes.
• 9:40
  They discovered the protective effect was independent of other farm exposures and specifically linked to heat sensitive components of the milk, namely a native whey proteins in the bovine serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin.
• 9:55
  Notably, boiled farm milk showed no such protective effect, confirming the living components are the key.
• 10:01
  Well, they didn't find natural albumin or alpha lactalpumin, albeit those are going to be broke down in the stomach acid anyway.
• 10:11
  But the observation here is that those who you know are drinking raw milk are either on farms, have access to farms because that's where you have to get it, or are taking that effort.
• 10:24
  They're very unlikely to be living in downtown Amsterdam or in Munich or in these uh urban environments where there's zero access to farms or raw milk.
• 10:37
  Now, furthermore, the pasture cohort uh longitudinal study following over 900 children from birth solidified these findings by demonstrating that continuous raw milk consumption early in childhood provides a protective effect against asthma that persists throughout development.
• 10:55
  These results were synthesized in a comprehensive 2019 meta-analysis, which pooled data from 12 publications across eight separate studies.
• 11:03
  The findings were undeniable.
• 11:05
  Early raw, early life raw milk consumption was associated with a 42% lower risk of asthma, 32% lower risk of hay fever, and a 24% lower risk of atopic sensitization.
• 11:18
  And let me tell you, as an epidemiologist, these risk reductions for this type of dramatic exposure are not very big.
• 11:26
  Okay, so it's just not very big.
• 11:29
  That means plenty of raw milk drinking kids developed asthma, hay fever, and atopic sensitization.
• 11:38
  So when you're dealing with nutritional epidemiology, you have to realize you've got to see very big risk associations when we're looking at an adverse exposure and huge risk reductions before you start to think, wow, this really is meaningful.
• 11:54
  So I'd be looking for, you know, basically 80% risk reductions or more to really think this raw milk does anything as an epidemiologist.
• 12:02
  Now, the protective association was found to be statistically significant not only for farm children, but also for those living in non-farm environments who source raw milk.
• 12:11
  Now that's key.
• 12:12
  If you live in a non-farm environment, like just down the road from a farm, you're already out in the rural area anyway.
• 12:18
  You're not going from the inner city to get raw milk.
• 12:21
  That's the flaw in these studies.
• 12:23
  Why is there such an institutional resistance to these findings?
• 12:26
  Why do health authorities treat a glass of raw milk with more suspicion than a processed chemically preserved snack back?
• 12:35
  The answer lies in the industrial regulatory feedback loop.
• 12:38
  Our current system is built on the philosophy of containment and control.
• 12:41
  You can't commodify or standardize biodiverse farm.
• 12:45
  You certainly can't patent the immune modulating effects of raw milk.
• 12:49
  You can, however, pack patent vaccines, uh allergy medications, and specialized infant formulas.
• 12:56
  The institutional push for sterile safety has created reliance on the medical pharmaceutical apparatus.
• 13:02
  If you make the environment uh sterile, the child becomes fragile.
• 13:06
  If the child is fragile, they require more interventions.
• 13:08
  This is a closed loop.
• 13:10
  Uh and sadly, it's perversely and incredibly profitable.
• 13:14
  Now, I don't think this is all intentional, but what I'm describing is a byproduct of this focus on sterility.
• 13:22
  Now, remember, those in the health freedom community have an excessive focus on sterility of things elsewhere.
• 13:29
  So they're filtering water, drinking uh you know, structured water, um, uh, you know, have air purifiers and what have you.
• 13:37
  So you know, drinking raw milk is just the opposite of all that.
• 13:41
  If you're going to drink raw milk, then why not drink tap water out of the tap?
• 13:46
  Um, the, you know, so there's a lot of uh things that don't reconcile in this whole health freedom movement community.
• 13:54
  I know many of you are on different sides of it.
• 13:57
  So we are currently witnessing a massive uncontrolled experiment in our children where the variables are high-tech lifestyles, processed nutrition, and a profound removal from the natural biological world.
• 14:00
  We are currently witnessing a massive uncontrolled experiment in our children, where the variables are high-tech lifestyles, processed nutrition, and a profound removal from the natural biological world.
• 14:14
  The hygiene hypothesis isn't a theory anymore.
• 14:14
  The hygiene hypothesis isn't a theory anymore.
• 14:16
  It's an observation of a systematic institutional uh error.
• 14:16
  It's an observation of a systematic institutional error.
• 14:20
  We have forgotten that we are not separate from the microbial world.
• 14:20
  We have forgotten that we are not separate from the microbial world.
• 14:24
  We're part of it to bolster immunity.
• 14:24
  We're part of it to bolster immunity.
• 14:26
  We don't need more hand sanitizers.
• 14:26
  We don't need more hand sanitizers.
• 14:28
  We need biodiversity to get our kids into the dirt around animals and expose the complex environment of a farm, or at least in a rural area.
• 14:28
  We need biodiversity to get.
• 14:36
  We need biological nutrition, prioritized living, enzyme-rich on unprocessed foods to the extent that they're safe and not contaminated.
• 14:45
  And most importantly, we need critical skepticism, recognizing that official recommendations often serve the interest of industry, not the health of the individual.
• 14:54
  The path forward isn't forward at all.
• 14:57
  It's a return to the wisdom of our ancestors who understood intuitively that a child's health was tied to the health of the soil, the livestock, and the natural world around them.
• 15:05
  It's time to start, it's time to stop fearing the dirt.
• 15:08
  It's time to stop viewing our children's immune systems as a liability to be managed by big pharma and start treating them as an inheritance to be nurtured by the farm.
• 15:18
  In conclusion, the rise in allergic and autoimmune diseases is not an inevitable byproduct of modern life.
• 15:23
  It's a predictable outcome of biological deprivation.
• 15:28
  By this living in an extensively sterile environment, and then, in my view, hyperstimulating the immune system with excessive, again, very unnatural vaccination vaccinations.
• 15:42
  By reintroducing our children to the microbial richness richness of farm life and the immunological potential of raw, unprocessed foods, we aren't uh aren't just taking a risk.
• 15:54
  We are recovering a birthright.
• 15:56
  Uh resilience is not found in a laboratory on a sterile shelf.
• 16:00
  It's found in the soil, the barn, and the raw living sustenance that has sustained human health for generations.
• 16:06
  So stand firm, question the narrative of sterility, and let your children thrive in the environment they were built for.
• 16:13
  And I do believe, you know, taking kids to a farm and a petting farm and going out to zoos and playing in parks, very important.
• 16:21
  Get in bare feet, go walk on the ground, have the kids run around.
• 16:26
  You know, I think uh I do align and resonate with that general theme.
• 16:33
  But I want to give you the other side of this that I've just published in a substack.
• 16:38
  But here are the references supporting this hygiene hypothesis, the farm hypothesis, and that includes Wasser and colleagues in the Parsifal study, loss and colleagues, the Gabriela study, uh loss and colleagues, the pasture study.
• 16:55
  Uh, BRIC has published on uh the association of uh raw milk and reduction in asthma, meta-analysis, uh bars and colleagues, raw milk consumption and uh reduction in atopic diseases, and then von Mutius and colleagues, farm living effects on childhood asthma and allergy in nature reviews immunology.
• 17:18
  So these are uh important and I think very um you know, solid citations supporting those of you who drink raw milk.
• 17:27
  Because I know I'm gonna get a lot of comments on this when you listen this week on America Out Loud.
• 17:35
  So, this is what I just put out on the on a substack on April 18th.
• 17:40
  So I have my interview with um Carl Higby, and I did follow through on my snarky comment.
• 17:46
  So the topic of this substack is uh real risks and theoretical benefits of drinking raw milk.
• 17:52
  And the subtitle was Crazed Purple-haired Democrat unhinged over pasteurized milk.
• 17:58
  So this is all about a recent congressional hearing where 83-year-old uh Connecticut representative uh Rosa DeLauro, who's 83 years old, was admonishing HHS Secretary Robert F.
• 18:14
  Kennedy Jr.
• 18:15
  on his support of raw milk.
• 18:18
  And she's the one who's got uh, you know, dyed purple hair, huge glasses, and just appears, she just appears completely nuts.
• 18:28
  So my snarky comment when Carl Higby asked me this on Newsmax, and this was on prime time, is I said, well, I wouldn't dye my hair purple, but I also wouldn't drink raw milk.
• 18:40
  And I do mean that.
• 18:41
  I I today, if someone handed me a glass of raw milk, I wouldn't drink it.
• 18:45
  Now, here's the downside of raw milk.
• 18:48
  Because raw milk is known to be contaminated with bacteria, it is.
• 18:51
  I mean, when that comes out of the udders of the cow, it's already contaminated for sure.
• 18:56
  Um, is contaminated with bacteria, it's very susceptible to becoming spoiled within a few hours of room temperature.
• 19:03
  You certainly can't leave a bottle on the countertop for very long at all.
• 19:06
  Less than an hour in the Texas heat.
• 19:08
  So if it's at 95 degrees, less than an hour, that milk is bad.
• 19:13
  It must be collected uh in the most sterile fashion, refrigerated and obtained directly from the farm source.
• 19:19
  It lasts a few days in the refrigerator before it spoils, so it must be consumed quickly.
• 19:24
  From a clinical and surveillance perspective, the pathogens most commonly cited by health authorities as risks in raw milk are the following.
• 19:33
  So salmonella, for sure.
• 19:35
  This is associated with fecal contamination during the milking process.
• 19:39
  And as noted in recent outbreaks, salmonella can persist in products like raw age chiege for months.
• 19:46
  E.
• 19:47
  coli, specifically the Shigella toxin producing strains O157H7.
• 19:54
  Um, these are perhaps the most feared strains due to the potential cause severe illness, including hemolytic uremic syndrome and renal failure, particularly in children, campylobacter jejuni.
• 20:06
  This is frequently cited as one of the most common sources of bacterial diarrhea linked to raw dairy consumption, and it can be a trigger for developing Guillaume Baret syndrome, listeria monocytogenies, a particularly dangerous pathogen, it can survive and grow in refrigerated environments.
• 20:23
  That's the problem there.
• 20:24
  It poses significant risk to pregnant women, the elderly and the immunocompromise.
• 20:28
  You'll hear about listeria outbreaks from time to time.
• 20:31
  Brucella, uh Brussella, while it's less common in the United States due to vaccination of the animals and rigorous testing of herds, it remains historically a global concern with raw dairy.
• 20:44
  There's also parasites in the raw milk.
• 20:46
  Uh, that's cryptosporidium, a microscopic parasite that causes cryptosperdiosis, a diarrheal disease, notoriously resistant to many common antibiotics, uh, making sanitation in the milking environment critical.
• 21:00
  Uh Giardia, another protozoan parasite that can contaminate water sources or the environment, and subsequently under the milk supply.
• 21:01
  GiRDia, another protozoan parasite that can contaminate water sources or the environment and subsequently under the milk supply.
• 21:11
  So, as of early 2026, U.S.
• 21:11
  So as of early 2026, U.S.
• 21:14
  raw milk access was as follows.
• 21:14
  raw milk access was as follows.
• 21:17
  There's retail access, that is, you can go buy it in a store in about 10 states that have the most permissive laws allowing the sale of raw milk in in the stores.
• 21:17
  There's retail access, that is, you can go buy it in a store in about 10 states that have the most permissive laws allowing the sale of raw milk in in the stores, but it has to be taken off the shelves very quickly because it spoils so quickly.
• 21:26
  But it has to be taken off the shelves very quickly because it spoils so quickly.
• 21:30
  There's farm gate access.
• 21:32
  That is a significantly larger group of estates, about 28 to 30, including Texas, allow for some form of raw milk purchased directly from the source in the farm.
• 21:42
  So the farm has to be certified in doing this.
• 21:45
  It has to be tested every quarter to terms of the bacterial contamination level.
• 21:50
  And then, you know, it has to be immediately bought.
• 21:53
  So if you were to drive to a farm that's certified in providing raw milk, you could buy a bottle of raw milk, and then you know, you're on your own from there.
• 22:01
  That's 28 to 30 states.
• 22:03
  And then there's prohibitions.
• 22:05
  Uh in roughly nine to ten states uh maintain a strict outright prohibition on the sale of raw milk for human consumption, often forcing consumers to rely on herd share agreements, or in some cases leaving them with no legal avenue at all.
• 22:19
  So if you're in a state that prohibits raw milk, you can still do it privately, but you just have to have some relationship with someone who can provide it and you do it on your own.
• 22:29
  It's not a commercial enterprise.
• 22:34
  So the reality of raw milk risks, lessons learned from the 2023-2024 outbreak.
• 22:40
  So very few people drink raw milk in in the United States.
• 22:43
  But there are some examples.
• 22:44
  So a report by Weinstein and colleagues in 2025 in the CDC MMWR provides a stark evidence-based reminder of the significant public health hazards associated with the consumption of raw, unpasteurized dairy products.
• 22:58
  While proponents often advocate that, you know, there's a nutritional superiority of this immune benefit that we've covered, um, you know, the potential here for children getting very sick and when there are raw milk uh infectious disease problems, that the kids get hit really hard.
• 23:16
  So here's the scope of the outbreak.
• 23:18
  Between September 2023 and March 2024, California health officials identified a major outbreak of salmonella typhi uh linked to a single licensed raw milk dairy farm.
• 23:32
  The scale was substantial, uh, involving 171 confirmed uh in probable cases across five states.
• 23:40
  The data revealed that the outbreak was not merely localized to the event, but a broader public health failure with 70% of the cases and 82% of those uh requiring hospitalization occurring in children and adolescents under the age of 18.
• 23:55
  This demographic uh SKU underscores the heightened vulnerability of young children.
• 24:00
  And this is because the kids are smaller, and when they drink the milk, they can exceed the inoculum or the threshold of bacteria the body can handle before the bacteria take over in the GI tract and really get the kids sick.
• 24:17
  So I insert the graphical abstract from Weinstein and colleagues, and the title of it is Outbreak of Salmonella Typhi Infections linked to commercially distributed raw milk, California in four states, September 2023 to March 2024.
• 24:32
  Um about 70% of the case, it was due to raw milk and heavy cream.
• 24:39
  The remainder was cheese that was made from the raw milk.
• 24:43
  And they tested the cheese even 60 days.
• 24:46
  Typically 60 days of aging is thought to essentially eliminate any risk, uh, but they found the salmonella even 60 days after the cheese from the raw milk was still uh refrigerated and you know, it was alive.
• 25:02
  That was the uh, you know, that was the problem.
• 25:05
  And uh here, uh 98% of the cases were in California, and it was severe.
• 25:13
  And you know, a large fraction of these kids were hospitalized.
• 25:16
  Now, this is very treatable.
• 25:19
  That is Salmonella is very treatable with antibiotics, but it's a matter of recognizing it.
• 25:23
  It becomes much more than just uh a day or two of food poisoning, and there's dehydration, high fever, and pretty severe entercolitis.
• 25:35
  So the uh investigation utilized advanced molecular tools, including home whole sequence sequence, whole genome sequencing to confirm the source.
• 25:45
  Investigators detected the outbreak strain in bottled raw milk, crucially in raw milk and cheese aged for 60 days.
• 25:52
  And these findings challenge the assumption by the FDA that's 60 days' aging requirement is a safeguard against bacterial contamination for the cheese.
• 26:00
  Now, detection of the pathogen in the products from a licensed facility that passed sanitation inspections demonstrates that even environments, uh even regulated environments struggle to eliminate the inherent risks of raw dairy production.
• 26:15
  So the Weinstein report serves as a critical rebuttal to the notion that raw milk is safe, a natural alternative to pasteurized products.
• 26:23
  I'm not denying this, this uh farm hygiene theory.
• 26:27
  I think it is good to get this early environmental exposure.
• 26:30
  But we're down to, you know, just the routine safety.
• 26:33
  We want some modicum of safety when our kids are consuming milk or we're consuming milk.
• 26:37
  I mean, I had a glass of milk last night.
• 26:39
  Uh, you know, I took it out of the refrigerator, I opened the carton, and I'm fine today.
• 26:44
  You know, I want that assurance.
• 26:45
  I don't want to be taking the risk of having life-threatening uh, you know, enter colitis from you know an obvious bacterial or parasitic contaminant.
• 26:56
  The authors emphasize that the risks ranging from severe diarrhea and vomiting to hospitalization are persistent.
• 27:03
  Even with regulatory oversight, public health agencies must continue to prioritize clear, uncompromising message regarding these dangers, particularly for groups at high risk for complications such as children, pregnant women, and the immunocompromise.
• 27:17
  Ultimately, the Weinstein et al.
• 27:19
  investigation confirms that the consumption of unpasteurized dairy is a dangerous gamble, while uh recall the successfully halted immediate distribution of the contaminated items, the broader lesson reserve remains, pasteurization is a non-negotiable standard for ensuring safety in our food supply.
• 27:36
  So, as I navigated this interview last night with Carl Higby, and Carl started out by saying, Dr.
• 27:42
  McCullough, I drink raw milk and I seem to be perfectly healthy.
• 27:46
  I drink as much as I can.
• 27:47
  You know, he also said he has a farm.
• 27:49
  So when you're drinking it immediately, and the bacteria don't have a chance to grow in the raw milk quickly, yeah, you can get below a level where you get sick.
• 28:00
  The gamble is how long is that milk, you know, from the time it comes out of the cow, how long is it in the bottle, and what's the temperature and how quickly do you drink it?
• 28:00
  The gamble is how long is that milk, you know, from the time it comes out of the cow, how long is it in the bottle, and what's the temperature, and how quickly do you drink it?
• 28:11
  That's the entire gamble of raw milk.
• 28:11
  That's the entire gamble of raw milk.
• 28:14
  And many of you have such busy lives.
• 28:14
  And many of you have such busy lives.
• 28:17
  I can't possibly be racing out to a farm trying to get a bottle of milk, keeping it cold enough, and then worrying, you know, as I drink it, am I going to get sick or am I not going to get sick?
• 28:17
  I can't possibly be racing out to a farm trying to get a bottle of milk, keeping it cold enough, and then worrying, you know, as I drink it, am I going to get sick or am I not going to get sick?
• 28:29
  So to
• 28:29
  So to summarize, a bottle of raw milk, if you collect it immediately and you get it right away and you put it in the fridge, can last about three to seven days.
• 28:40
  If you uh have a bottle of milk and it's pasteurized, just standard pasteurized milk, it lasts about double that in the fridge.
• 28:49
  Okay, about double that, about two weeks in the fridge.
• 28:52
  And if you actually use ultra-pasteurized products, which include half and half.
• 28:58
  So I'm drinking coffee right now, and uh I put some half and half in it, which is the way I like it.
• 29:05
  Love coffee in the morning.
• 29:07
  So half and half is ultra-pasteurized.
• 29:11
  Ultra pasteurized lasts in the fridge, even double that of pasteurized milk.
• 29:16
  So now we're talking about a month in the fridge for a half and a half.
• 29:20
  That's what pasteurization has allowed us.
• 29:24
  So it's it's a wonderful advancement.
• 29:26
  I recognize there is heat denaturation of albumin and prealbumin and immunoglobulins and some of the other proteins.
• 29:35
  Uh, but we are getting, you know, you know, proteins that do make an impact and count for protein intake called case casein.
• 29:43
  And we do get in it some saturated fat and certainly calcium.
• 29:47
  Calcium is a big part of milk.
• 29:49
  A glass of milk contains, by the way, about a thousand milligrams of calcium.
• 29:54
  So there you go.
• 29:56
  That's my, you know, distillation of raw milk.
• 30:00
  Uh personally, I'm not going to drink it.
• 30:02
  And uh that's where I stand on it.
• 30:04
  I know many of you will drink it and take that risk, but for sure it's a real risk.
• 30:10
  That's the reason why we do have safety regulations there.
• 30:13
  But I also said in that interview, I wouldn't dye my hair purple.
• 30:17
  So this woman, Rosa DeLoro, who is a Democratic Congresswoman from Connecticut, she's 83 years old.
• 30:26
  When we have people like that that are elected to Congress, and they're completely and totally unhinged in their personal presentation of themselves and in their statements.
• 30:37
  We have to under have to ask ourselves, what are we accomplishing in society with this type of, you know, you know, elected body of officials.
• 30:51
  We just have to ask ourselves, don't we want people elected in Congress who are reasonable, who present themselves in a, you know, conservative, reserved, dignified way, as opposed to being completely unhinged.
• 31:08
  And that goes, by the way, for both sides of the aisle.
• 31:12
  You know, do we want people, either Democrat or Republican, for instance, cursing in public, uh, name-calling, uh, trying to denigrate people, uh, saying horrible things about other people.
• 31:26
  I just don't, I personally don't want it in my life at any level.
• 31:31
  And I see a great, great opportunity to um to improve upon that.
• 31:39
  So uh let's uh let's uh take a break here for our commercial sponsors, and we're gonna return on the backside of the McCullough report for a few more important stories that have appeared on focal points over the uh month of April.
• 31:52
  Let's get real.
• 31:53
  Let's get loud on America Loud Talk News.
• 31:55
  This is a McCullough report.
• 31:57
  One in three people will face cancer, and most never see it coming.
• 32:00
  I'm Dr.
• 32:01
  Kelly Victory with the wellness company, and I know this personally.
• 32:04
  I exercised daily, avoided processed foods, and had no symptoms when a routine mammogram resulted in a cancer diagnosis.
• 32:12
  And modern medicine is often reactive instead of preventative.
• 32:15
  That's why I formulated SHIELD, a two-part system designed to support immune health and antioxidant defense, a chemical-free cocoa mix and soft gels.
• 32:25
  Prevention is power.
• 32:26
  Visit TWC.
• 32:33
  Struggling with your health, energy, and constantly feeling hungry, want to save money on the rising cost of groceries and dramatically improve your health, go to chemicalfree body.com forward slash out loud today, get nature's super multivitamin, doctor formulated green 85 juice formula, empower your immune system, cut your grocery bill, and save 20% on your first order.
• 32:55
  Our hygiene hasn't changed in 50 years, but our diet and the way we eat has creating an environment in your mouth for bacteria to wreck havoc on your teeth and gums.
• 33:05
  For better oral health, get spray dental defense, an oral care line designed to combat acid-creating bacteria.
• 33:13
  The toothpaste, mouthwash, mints, and gum all contain xylitol and natural ingredients shown to dramatically improve oral health.
• 33:21
  Sprite can be found online and at all fine natural retailers.
• 33:28
  Let's get real.
• 33:29
  Let's get loud on America at Loud Talk News.
• 33:31
  This is a McCullough report.
• 33:33
  And I'm Dr.
• 33:33
  Peter McCullough.
• 33:34
  We had the entire first half on raw milk.
• 33:37
  And you know, I have to say one more point.
• 33:39
  I put a punctuation point on this, and I've said it on social media.
• 33:44
  And uh many have said, well, I'm drinking raw milk, and those in the health freedom community.
• 33:49
  I said, listen, you can drink raw milk, but play it safe and have a medical emergency kit from the wellness company on hand so you can treat salmonola and E.
• 33:59
  coli entercolitis quickly.
• 34:01
  Because if you drink a glass of raw milk and in a few hours, you have abdominal cramping, fever, diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting.
• 34:08
  You know what you have.
• 34:10
  You know what the problem is.
• 34:11
  Immediately use the guidebook in the medical emergency kit.
• 34:16
  The one that's really appropriate for this is the forest green emergency medical kit.
• 34:22
  It'll have all the treatment in it to handle this uh problem.
• 34:26
  Also, the aqua blue one is very solid for this as well.
• 34:29
  So I've I've been on social media for those who said, I'm still gonna drink raw milk.
• 34:33
  I said, fine, just have a medical emergency kit on hand so you don't end up in the hospital or end up on dialysis with uh, you know, E.
• 34:42
  coli hemolytic uremic syndrome.
• 34:44
  I mean, just be reasonable.
• 34:46
  So if you go to TWC.health forward slash focal points, get a medical emergency kit, or two, if you live on a farm and you're drinking raw milk or you're driving to farms and obtaining your raw milk, be ready to get sick.
• 35:00
  So, you know, if it happens, you're in good shape.
• 35:00
  So, you know, if it happens, you're in good shape.
• 35:03
  Okay, let's go through just a few more stories.
• 35:03
  Okay, let's go through just a few more stories.
• 35:07
  Uh, one that came up, I we interviewed with L.
• 35:07
  One that came up, I we interviewed with L.
• 35:10
  Todd Wood, who is a great guy.
• 35:10
  Todd Wood, who is a great guy.
• 35:12
  He's the head of um, he's the head of CDM media.
• 35:12
  He's the head of, he's the head of CDM media.
• 35:17
  And uh, you know, on the interview, he he got a little sensitive when we began to talk about Lyme disease because his son was stricken with Lyme disease.
• 35:17
  And you know, on the interview, he got a little sensitive when we began to talk about Lyme disease because his son was stricken with Lyme disease.
• 35:26
  And there is a real syndrome.
• 35:26
  And there is a real syndrome.
• 35:28
  Many of you know this, it's called crazy.
• 35:28
  Many of you know this, it's called chronic Lyme disease.
• 35:31
  And it impacted its son, it's hit my wife's family, in fact, her cousin who's now passed away, had uh pretty severe chronic Lyme disease, it can get into the brain, clearly couldn't get into the heart and cause heart block, neurologic as well as arthritic problems.
• 35:48
  So chronic Lyme disease and persistent immune stimulation, the clinical phenomenon of chronic Lyme disease, often dismissed by mainstream institutions as post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome, is increasingly understood through the lens of persistent antigenic stimulation.
• 36:04
  When borelia borgdorphy, which is the organism in the tick saliva, when you're bitten by a tick, when it gets into the body, it's not fully eradicated by the initial short course antibiotic protocols.
• 36:19
  The remaining bacterial debris, including cell wall fragments and shed membrane proteins, continues to exert a profound pathologic influence on the host immune system.
• 36:30
  So when you get a tick bite and you get Lyme disease, if you don't completely eradicate and your body can't clear it out, there still are parts of the organism that are left in the body.
• 36:40
  Sounds familiar, right?
• 36:41
  It's like the spike protein left in the body after the COVID-19 illness or the proteins from syphilis.
• 36:48
  Syphilis is another organism that its proteins stay in the body in inflammation for decades.
• 36:55
  Now, the mechanisms of chronic inflammation after Lyme disease, the core issue lies in the body's inability to clear these residual antigens.
• 37:04
  These molecules act as pathogen-associated molecular patterns or PAMPS, which are recognized by toll-like receptors on innate immune cells.
• 37:13
  This constant recognition triggers a state of chronic low-grade inflammation.
• 37:18
  Their cytokyme storm perpetuation, the persistent presence of these antigens from the Borelia borderphrine, prevents the immune system from returning to homeostasis.
• 37:32
  Instead, it remains locked in a loop, continually producing pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as TNF, TNF alpha, uh interleukin 6, innerlecin-1 beta, and uh there's autoimmune mimicry.
• 37:48
  Research suggests that some borelia antigens share structural similarities to human proteins.
• 37:54
  And so when the immune system is hyperactivated by persistent debris, it can inadvertently begin to target host tissues, leading to tissue damage that mirrors autoimmune pathology.
• 38:05
  So the body gets faked out and there is autoimmune attack.
• 38:09
  And so this would explain inflammation of the joints, for instance.
• 38:13
  Immune exhaustion over time, this unrelenting demand on the immune system leads to immune exhaustion or dysfunction.
• 38:21
  The body may lose the ability to effectively regulate inflammatory responses resulting from multi-system symptoms, neurologic fatigue, joint pain, and cognitive impairment that define the chronic state.
• 38:34
  So chronic Lyme disease is not merely a subjective experience, but a tangible physiological manifestation of an incomplete clearance of the pathogen.
• 38:43
  The ongoing presence of these antigens serves as a biological signal that maintains the host in a state of high alert, causing significant collateral damage to the patient's own healthy tissue.
• 38:58
  So the answer is for chronic Lyme disease is not to give continued rounds of antibiotics.
• 39:03
  The organism is dead.
• 39:06
  It's really about uh finding ways of helping the immune system clear out the pathogen associated molecular patterns and restoring normality, and that's the great pursuit of those in the chronic Lyme field.
• 39:23
  And I think those in the naturopathic medicine world have made advancements.
• 39:28
  Uh, somebody who I look up to is now actually on the America Out Loud platform, and that's Dr.
• 39:33
  Mariah Hinchy, and she holds the Lyme Bites symposium every year.
• 39:39
  If you want to learn about Lyme disease, I think far and away, that's the most scientific symposium.
• 39:44
  Bring together industry leaders, academic leaders.
• 39:47
  The presentations were excellent and to make progress here, but detoxification is mission critical here, just like with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein retention, it's critical.
• 40:02
  A few other stories that come up on social media, and you may see them in the infectious disease areas.
• 40:08
  A recent interview that Katie Korick had.
• 40:11
  Remember Katie Korick, she's a former news anchor in the morning, and uh she's a cancer survivor herself, where she uh actually used the F-word in an interview and said, where's all this F in cancer coming from?
• 40:25
  And she's uh, you know, going back to uh this observation that there is an explosion in cancer.
• 40:31
  And in 2025, Time magazine had on its cover, where is all this cancer coming from?
• 40:36
  Now it reviewed data over the decades, you know, from 2000 and forward.
• 40:41
  So cancer has been on the rise for a few decades now, but there's a sharp inflection point in 2021 with the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccines, and there are numerous studies mechanistically demonstrating that multiple aspects of COVID-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 infection could be cancer promoting.
• 41:04
  Importantly, the spike protein and a modeling study by Singhan colleagues reduces the activity of two major tumor surveillance systems, P53 and BRCA.
• 41:17
  And so all of us who've had the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2 infection or took the vaccine theoretically, if we had a loss of function or a weakness in either one of those two systems, we could have a cancer kind of get out of control in our body.
• 41:35
  We could lose control over that.
• 41:36
  And the cancer would present more rapidly, would progress at a faster pace and would be more severe.
• 41:43
  And that's essentially the definition of a turbo cancer.
• 41:48
  Additionally, now that's just the spike protein from the infection and the vaccine.
• 41:53
  Additionally, if one has taken a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, there are preclinical data suggesting that the RNA messenger RNA itself can impair our own host DNA repair.
• 42:00
  Suggesting that the RNA, messenger RNA itself can impair our own host DNA repair.
• 42:07
  And then the work of uh John Kentazzaro at Neo7 Bioscience, Nicholas Holscher at the McCullough Foundation has demonstrated that at least part of the Pfizer Moderna code gets reverse transcribed into the human genome, and then the human genome starts to have bizarre protein expression.
• 42:07
  And then the work of uh John Kentazzaro at Neo7 Bioscience, Nicholas Holscher at the McCullough Foundation has demonstrated that at least part of the Pfizer Moderna code gets reverse transcribed into the human genome, and then the human genome starts to have bizarre protein expression.
• 42:27
  And that's been demonstrated in one of my patients in a period.
• 42:27
  And that's been demonstrated in one of my patients in a peer-reviewed paper being related to his cancer.
• 42:32
  So he took the vaccines and he developed really a rapidly developing laryngeal cancer.
• 42:37
  And unfortunately, I diagnosed it quickly.
• 42:40
  We got appropriate treatment, and he's now completely in remission now for several years.
• 42:44
  So that was a turbo cancer with a good outcome.
• 42:47
  But you know, our molecular assessment of my patients suggest wow, that was potentially related to the to the vaccine.
• 42:56
  Now with the Janssen vaccine, the adenoviral vaccine, the adenoviral vector has not been associated with cancer, to my knowledge.
• 43:06
  And then, of course, the Novavax vaccine is just the purified spike protein.
• 43:12
  But there should be an all hands on deck to merge the data from the National Cancer Institute, the cancer registries like the SEER registry with the vaccine administration data to let us know is there a signal among the vaccinated, are cancers more prevalent.
• 43:29
  Are they, you know, progressing at a more rapid rate?
• 43:31
  We look at uh former president Joe Biden who publicly took six vaccines and developed by all criteria a prostate turbo cancer that was you know widely metastatic even while he was in the White House.
• 43:46
  Under watch of White House physicians.
• 43:49
  That should never happen with the prostate cancer.
• 43:51
  It's actually never happened in my practice, let alone for a president who could be examined, you know, any minute.
• 43:57
  He's you know a very high priority to the country.
• 44:00
  So these are some astounding observations.
• 44:04
  Uh and then this paper by Dr.
• 44:06
  Wafik Elderi, uh, who's now been removed from his leadership position in the Cancer Institute at Brown University, and he's been on uh my show.
• 44:16
  Uh, L.
• 44:16
  Dari has published a paper in his journal where he's the editor, oncotarget, demonstrating that uh in I think roughly 300 papers, that both the infection and the vaccine may be associated with cancer.
• 44:34
  Okay, with that conclusion, that means anybody coming through this pandemic with 90% of us having the infection and 81% of us taking the vaccine, these are U.S.
• 44:45
  numbers, we could all potentially be at risk.
• 44:50
  So what am I doing in my clinical practice?
• 44:53
  I'm telling women, stay on top of breast cancer screening, mammography, thermography, ultrasound, MRI, whatever the techniques are, you know, obviously breast self-exam.
• 45:04
  Stay on top of breast cancer risks.
• 45:06
  For women, stay on top of reproductive cancer risks.
• 45:11
  That means uh pelvic exam, bimanual exam, cervix, paps mere, and I think a growing importance of intravaginal ultrasound.
• 45:22
  So if you're going to go to the gynecologist, the intravaginal ultrasound is so easy to do.
• 45:27
  If a speculum goes into the vagina, an ultrasound probe is actually more comfortable going in the vagina, and it can directly look at the uterus.
• 45:36
  So I had a patient uh this week in my office, and there was some question regarding the status of a uterus.
• 45:41
  I said, listen, when you see your gynecologist, just tell them, listen, I want an intravacant ultrasound.
• 45:47
  Look directly at the uterus.
• 45:49
  If there's a cancer growing in there, you want to know.
• 45:52
  You can look at the adenuxa, the fallopian tubes, as well as the ovaries.
• 45:56
  You just want to know if there's something large and concerning there.
• 46:00
  Just don't rely on the doctor's hands itself.
• 46:03
  Ultrasound is safe, effective, a huge advance to the physical exam.
• 46:08
  Now, for both men and women, colon cancer screening.
• 46:12
  So that involves colonoscopy.
• 46:14
  But additionally, we have a fecal DNA test called cologard.
• 46:19
  That can be done.
• 46:20
  And now there's even a blood test called SHIELD.
• 46:24
  So remember, only the colonoscopy can see the early cancers and snip them out before they grow into cancer.
• 46:31
  The cologard and the shield test are detecting cancer DNA.
• 46:35
  So it's a different set of activities.
• 46:38
  Ideally, if you could go through it, you would go through a colonoscopy, but there are people that are fragile, and the colonoscopy poses risks, including clonic perforation, which by the way happened in my mother-in-law when she was elderly.
• 46:50
  And it's all about risks and benefits.
• 46:52
  A recent analysis in the literature suggested you get to about 75 or so.
• 46:57
  It looks like the, you know, there's really a wash on whether or not you should do any more uh colonoscopy.
• 47:05
  So I know I've had two of them at age 50 and age 60.
• 47:08
  I'm going to rethink the next one at 65 or at 70.
• 47:13
  I don't have any family history of colon cancer in my primary family, which is mom, dad, brother, and sister.
• 47:20
  That's uh first degree relative.
• 47:22
  So everybody needs to sort that out.
• 47:24
  For men, additionally, prostate cancer.
• 47:28
  That's the big ticket prostate cancer.
• 47:30
  And there means a doctor doing the digital prostate exam, that is, doctor puts the finger in the rectum, can feel the back of the prostate, which I do in all my male patients to feel a nodule growing there, or or you know, a hard spot, or sometimes just, you know, it just feels different when you feel the cancer with the you know, doctor.
• 47:50
  The rectum is right over the prostate.
• 47:53
  Uh, and then there, of course, seeing a urologist, and the the advantage the urologist has again is the ultrasound, the prosthetic ultrasound.
• 48:02
  So the prostate probe goes up in the rectum, and you can look directly at the prostate by ultrasound.
• 48:09
  Like, what a beneficial thing to do.
• 48:11
  So, men, when you go see a urologist, you can prompt them a little bit and say, listen, there's a question regarding the physical exam or what have you.
• 48:20
  And you know, a big trigger for this is the blood PSA, the prostate uh uh stimulus uh the um prostate uh secreted antigen PSA and uh in prostate-specific antigen, I'm sorry, and uh the PSA and a normal PSA should be under four.
• 48:38
  Now, if it's rising rapidly, kind of zero up through four, that can be a few cancer cells, and clearly, you know, once it gets above four, and if it's skyrockets, if it goes like four, 15, 20, you know, 200, you got a cancer for sure.
• 48:54
  Now, there are many times where the PSA is between uh four and 10.
• 49:00
  10.
• 49:00
  And it just kind of drifts there.
• 49:00
  And it just kind of drifts there.
• 49:02
  Men see urologists, they appropriately get a prostate ultrasound, they appropriately get a biopsy, nothing is found, and they're just observing.
• 49:02
  Men see urologists, they appropriately get a prostate ultrasound, they appropriately get a biopsy, nothing is found, and they're just observing.
• 49:08
  I have many men like that in my clinic.
• 49:08
  I have many men like that in my clinic.
• 49:10
  It's fine to have a PSA 4 to 10 as long as you've had a rigorous uh evaluation.
• 49:10
  It's fine to have a PSA 4 to 10 as long as you've had a rigorous evaluation.
• 49:15
  Um that's you know, blood PSA, there's some subfractions of PSA that can zero in on this, and of course, repeat uh ultrasound and biopsy, but to stay on top of prostatic cancer because there are.
• 49:16
  And that's, you know, blood PSA.
• 49:19
  There's some subfractions of PSA that can zero in on this.
• 49:23
  And of course, repeat ultrasound and biopsy, but to stay on top of prosthetic cancer because there are multiple curative treatments.
• 49:32
  Now, very importantly, the wellness company has released its very first data point on cancer.
• 49:42
  And that is a paper that's been published on the European preprint server by Hulsher and colleagues and Snik Holster from the McCullough Foundation who teamed up with the wellness company.
• 49:58
  And this is reporting on patients who have, you know, purchased ivermectin benbenazole under a doctor's direction.
• 50:10
  And I'm going to get the study up for you.
• 50:15
  At a doctor's direction and consent.
• 50:17
  So where the patient said, listen, I want ivermectin benbenozole for the purposes of cancer treatment.
• 50:27
  And the uh wellness company has told them listen, you can get ivermectin and mambenazole, these two anti-infective antiparasitic drugs in a combination tablet, but you must tell your hematologist oncologist that you're taking this in addition to, you know, the surgery, the chemotherapy and radiation.
• 50:48
  So it's an adjunct to cancer care treatment.
• 50:51
  And none of the patients did this on their own as a standalone treatment.
• 50:55
  Now, preclinical studies that were supporting ivermectin and preclinical and clinical studies for mambenazole, they have anti-cancer effects in reducing tumor proliferation, reducing the blood supply to the cancer, and helping the cancer cells essentially die out.
• 51:11
  And those three mechanisms are approached differently by each drug, but together as a combination, it's always looked very good for cancer.
• 51:22
  So the wellness company compound that was used was the ivermectin, 25 milligram membrosol, 250 milligram capsule.
• 51:32
  And most commonly people took one capsule a day, but looking at the data from a dose ranging study in Johns Hopkins registered and others, I've been telling my patients to take one capsule twice a day, just so you know.
• 51:44
  But the top-line results were that 84.4% reported clinical benefit, 48.4% reported the strongest positive outcomes, either tumor shrinkage or no current evidence of disease.
• 51:58
  And 36.1% reported the disease stayed the same.
• 52:03
  Uh 15% reported disease progression, sadly.
• 52:08
  Now, within that benefit, it's important.
• 52:11
  Another 15% actually had regression.
• 52:14
  The tumors on the routine three-month scans actually shrunk.
• 52:18
  So it's very, very important this uh idea that that is what's called patient reported outcomes.
• 52:26
  That's what patient told us.
• 52:28
  So uh this is teed up perfectly, I think for a long term, large, high-quality randomized trial in a whole range of solid organ tumors.
• 52:41
  Now, there were side effects, 25% GI, fatigue, weakness, dizziness.
• 52:46
  Uh, you know, these were mild.
• 52:48
  93% were able to continue treatment despite the side effects.
• 52:52
  So this is a real-world patient-reported outcome study.
• 52:56
  The most common cancers were prostate in 27.9%, breast 18.3, lung 8.6, and colon 5.1.
• 53:04
  So largely solid organ tumors, not uh bone marrow tumors like leukemia.
• 53:10
  So uh this is uh now out in public.
• 53:14
  There was a press release and a lot of news attention to ivermectin, membazole, uh, in a sense, giving a green light to so many people uh while the National Cancer Institute and the NIH, and that is the government agency that will have to do the definitive study on the converse and the combination of ivermectin benbenazole for sure.
• 53:39
  The wellness company can't do this, generic manufacturers can't do this.
• 53:44
  A budget for such a cancer trial is probably gonna be 100 to 500 million dollars, but it would be the best use of government dollars in research to study this, because this is in addition to surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation.
• 54:00
  This is an adjunct to traditional cancer care.
• 54:04
  Uh, it looks safe, it looks you know, acceptable.
• 54:08
  There are individual ivermectin protocols, one at Cedar Cyanai UCLA and advanced cancer, breast cancer, small study, and with membendazole, Johns Hopkins is pursuing this in uh uh brain and central nervous system cancers.
• 54:24
  Uh at higher doses, by the way, the Hopkins registered uh trial is uh ivermectin at 500, 1,000 and 1500 milligrams a day, so much higher doses of mambenazole.
• 54:38
  So membenazole 500, 1,000 or 1500 milligrams a day for Johns Hopkins.
• 54:43
  So while these studies, these very early studies are done by the academic institutions.
• 54:48
  The proposal on the table is should the National Cancer Institute take the wellness company product or a similar one and just go for it with a large prospect of double blind parallel gloop, randomized clinical trial with hard outcomes.
• 55:03
  And I think the hard outcomes ought to be mortality, cancer death.
• 55:08
  And uh I think it's ready for that myself.
• 55:12
  And in the meantime, a lot of people are saying, Dr.
• 55:14
  McCullough, listen, the work is great with the wellness company is doing.
• 55:18
  We're gonna have some more follow-up on this at 12 months and 24 months, but I can't wait.
• 55:24
  Many people are saying, Dr.
• 55:26
  McCullough, I have cancer, my spouse has cancer, my family members have cancer.
• 55:30
  We have about 20 million people in the United States with cancer at any time.
• 55:34
  They're saying, listen, I can't wait.
• 55:36
  I'm going for it.
• 55:37
  I'm going to the wellness company.
• 55:39
  I'm going to talk to the doctors there.
• 55:41
  So go to TWC.health forward slash focal points.
• 55:44
  So you get in and get your discounts, have your uh choice to select iveromectin benbenazole to buy a canister of it.
• 55:51
  It has 90 capsules and a canister, and go through the check-in with the doctor, let them know you're going to be using it for cancer, and uh then you can get it.
• 56:00
  You can get it.
• 56:00
  Now, for my patients, I look over the liver function test, I make sure everything's okay.
• 56:00
  Now, for my patients, I look over the liver function test, I make sure everything's okay.
• 56:05
  But my advice based on the data now is to take one capsule twice a day empirically in concert and in agreement with the hematology oncology uh doctors and the cancer center the patient's going to.
• 56:05
  But my advice, based on the data now, is to take one capsule twice a day empirically in concert and in agreement with the hematology oncology doctors and the cancer center the patient's going to.
• 56:19
  Well, listen, that's a wrap for this week's McCullough report.
• 56:19
  Well, listen, that's a wrap for this week's McCullough report.
• 56:23
  We covered so much.
• 56:23
  We covered so much.
• 56:24
  Uh, certainly it was fun to cover raw milk and some of the other things we've learned about vaccines.
• 56:24
  Certainly, it was fun to cover raw milk and some of the other things we've learned about vaccines and the pandemic and cancer, and then of course the really positive news on Ivermectin Bimbenazol.
• 56:36
  So thank you so much for listening.
• 56:37
  Let's get real.
• 56:38
  Let's get loud on America Loud Talk News.
• 56:41
  This is a McCullough Report.
• 56:42
  And I'm Dr.
• 56:43
  Peter McCullough, your host.