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Fitness: Science vs. The Soul with Gareth Nock · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: I am so excited to be here tonight.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Knock knock.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: Who's here?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's Gareth Knock.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: I am so excited to have you on the show.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: We had this fantastic conversation a number of weeks ago, talking about sleep and talking about fitness and sort of the crossroads of science and, you know, well-being in this current world and state that we're in.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I just felt super inspired.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Gareth is here with me today.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: He is the founder of the Knock Academy, host of the Start Talking podcast and Knock Knock Who's There podcast.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to talk tonight about fitness specifically and science versus the soul, which when Gareth gave me the title, I was so excited.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna get nerd out.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: So welcome and thanks for being here.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you for having me.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's an honor.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And as you said, you know, we had a conversation and you know, we kind of connected via a conversation about my podcast, and then here we are.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's all good.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the the beauty of the the world of podcasting and how it um connects people.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I've never had my network opened up so much as I have the last few years.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, pleasure to be here, excited to chat and yeah, dig into some great content.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: So just to get me started, like tell me who you are, what you're about, where you're from, and and how did your fitness journey begin?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a story.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so let's start with I sound a little strange.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I literally about four hours ago got asked if I was South African while I was at Starbucks, um, which I'm not.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm English originally.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so born and raised in the UK till I was probably about mid-20s or so, and then since then I've been traveling and living all over the place.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what hence this strange accent that nobody can decipher.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, I also grew up kind of just outside South London.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's just say it's not the uh the most well-spoken part of England.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: So uh it's a little lazy, it was a little sloppy anyway, and then throw in some Canadian, a bit of Kiwi, and some other stuff.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you end up with this accent.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where I'm from.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh based now in um in Stowville, Ontario, so just north of Toronto.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, this is where I've been for the last couple of years, but I've been in Toronto, well, in Toronto and around for the last 10.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, this is home.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess where did I where did it start?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let me take you back to I guess the the why and how it started.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I had a a childhood of let's say less than healthy habits.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in a yeah, I was an 80s kid.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone that was born around the 80s will know that cooking your food in the microwave, taking things out of a box and watching it in front of the TV was pretty standard behaviour.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I guess we, you know, the parents were doing the best they could with what they had at the time, and that was it.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was where we were at, and that's how we kind of lived our life.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't have a lot of rules and boundaries around food, really, uh nutrition and movement, which I am quite grateful of in many cases because it did help me learn and grow and evolve as a kid to not have those boundaries and give them some freedom.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: However, when you're given freedom around food and you don't have the best relationship with it, it can lead to tricky, tricky situations.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I was pretty overweight, unhealthy.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um kind of flitted in and out of like my last few years of kind of school and into like college, and it just didn't um none of those things sat very well with me.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up finding a job.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was on my feet all day, and suddenly, you know, five hours of work on your feet, quick lunch break, five hours of work on your feet.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'd never moved so much, started to lose some weight, and that was kind of without even really trying.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then I fell into a job.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was in this job, I worked in retail, so I was on my feet all day.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone that's worked in retail knows that you can easily rack up 10,000, 15,000 steps a day, just kind of being on your feet and moving around the store.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh there was a job came up, and it was for a lifeguard, a pool lifeguard, in a hotel uh stroke gym chain in the UK.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: And to be honest, it was uh free training uh course, and I'd literally never done a training course before in my life, uh, other than uh a few not particularly good grades out of like high school or the equivalent.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I decided to go for it.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: And quite honestly, I don't really think at the time, well no, I know at the time that I definitely didn't feel like I belonged.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel like my overweight, unhealthy body belonged in a swimming pool, uh, let alone saving anybody.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I'm sure there's hundreds of jokes in that alone that we don't need to get into.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: But it it that kind of paved the path.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I went into it and I just I guess it continued down this path.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was in an environment where health and fitness was prevalent.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: They trained me to, you know, I became a lifeguard, I did some health and fitness qualifications.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: That was reluctantly so at the time, and that was 21 years ago.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: 22 nearly.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I was 17 at the time.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, and I guess it just kind of went, to be honest.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: The four or five years, I just messed around and did a few certifications, did a little bit of kind of like gym floor assistant, pool lifeguard without really any direction, and then it just kind of grew into what is now my my life, really.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, for the most part, it's it's health and fitness, you know, it's a family business that we run, we're all in it, and yeah, that's kind of that's kind of where it went to.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it went on a whole load of U-turns along the way and bends, but that's kind of where it all started from.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's kind of amazing, though.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm I'm just trying to like imagine, like at 17, like how you you mustered up the courage and bravery to to make such a a big shift and the vulnerability that you had to embody literally to to go into that.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's incredible.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's not just a small thing.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's like like you you reference the 80s.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's like a scary scene in like an 80s movie where the kid is like, you know, forced to go into this this path.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: But wow, that's really amazing.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's it when I look back on it, it's quite incredible.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I speak on this, you know, a fair bit on podcasts and other other mediums, and it always fascinates me that the initial thing that people see is that bravery, and and it's taken me quite a long time to I guess embrace that.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing I wish that between that like first couple of years stepping into that brand new world and my late 30s, and I just turned 40 last year, so in a in that period of time, that like 20 plus years, I really struggled with bravery, and I really struggled with vulnerability, and I seem to have it, and and whether it was just like a not understanding the world, maybe, or you know, maybe naively, and that was a good thing.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then that whole transition through like 20s and 30s, where I had so much crippling anxiety around those brave decisions and vulnerability and being open, and it took me till my late 30s to find that again.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I credit podcasting with a lot of that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, it it really was when I look back on it, I'm like, what was I doing?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: And how did I how did I even get to that point?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: How did I set my foot in the door and get into that?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: But obviously very grateful that I did.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you kind of wonder like where the where the true inspiration comes from, where that like that giant push from the universe that's like this is what you're gonna do, and you're like, okay, yeah, let me just go do this.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let me just go completely change my life around here.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm sure people have lots of stories that they could share where it just it didn't necessarily make sense based on the path that you were on, but looking back, it's it's it's such a pivotal um experience for you.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think as I think we are kind of minus funny.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I recorded a podcast a few uh last week sometime where we were talking about developmental brain um, you know, within kids and and all these sorts of things.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: And they talked, you know, the person we had on the show was talking about how you know between like 16 and and 24, it's like the whole brain kind of like sheds itself, especially in men, and you're kind of starting again, and they're almost like back in this like toddler stage.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of I think that was probably some of it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was probably so, you know, in the in the politest way possible, so dumb at that point in life that I was like, oh yeah, it's not a really good idea.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's do that.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I also think as well, to some degree for me, and and I I mentioned about finding this place of vulnerability again.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was 16, overweight, unhealthy.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was the the kid in my year at school that hadn't had a girlfriend, that hadn't had even any, you know, real interaction, you know, other than a few friends.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I got to this point in life where I found this job, I was on my feet all day.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was forced to talk to people and be a bit more extroverted in my personality because it made me money and it was great at the time.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I started to lose weight, and then that started to tip the scales a little bit, and suddenly I'm like, oh, I'm starting to get attention.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, anyone who's been a 17-year-old boy or has parented one will know exactly what they're like.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that was my probably the main thing that up most of my time is okay, where do I find access to the opposite sex and where are, you know, where can I get attention?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what you know, we're it's inbuilt on us to do, right?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that I think is a lot of that driving.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where that maybe that bravery comes from, that primal instinct where I hadn't experienced that a lot as a kid through school.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and and there was some, you know, the kind of outcast feeling, there was some bullying and some other stuff that kind of went along with that.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Fortunately, you know, nothing physical, but you know, a lot of kind of emotional, mental stuff.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was it.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where the bravery probably came from.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Probably the uh bit of naive naivety and a bit of uh a bit of stupidity as well, maybe.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: So as you kind of look at that experience, and then you've got a couple decades worth of you know putting yourself into the world of fitness.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, when we talk about, you know, the science of it versus the soul, you know, can you kind of speak to like how how is it for you now versus how it was for you then?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: That what that that moment where fitness became a bug for you, not just something you're doing because you feel better or you're getting out there, but this is something you're just really driven by.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's uh a great question.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I think early on it was geared into you know a career that I was kind of considering staying in, and it was a lot around, you know, lose body fat, gain muscle.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that was where it was kind of my training was rooted in, and it was uh a little bit performance-based, but really aesthetic based for the most part.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it, you know, I had massive changes.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I did a lot of education in nutrition, a lot of education with health and fitness and the body, and you know, the mechanics of the body, and started to be able to learn how to use that to change the shape of my body.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I did that a lot in the early years, and it was it was quite self-serving and quite um, as I said, quite aesthetic based in my goals.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say that kind of led even a little bit up to current day.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's still something that's important to me.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and I pride myself on that.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: But the difference then is I think it kind of took over and it started to create some habits that I had around nutrition early on, started to switch those the opposite way.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I had this relationship with food that was very strict, lots of weighing stuff and calculating stuff and making sure I had enough of this and enough of that, and that is important, and and there obvious there is obviously a great science around that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: However, it became quite obsessive in what I did.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, I gained a lot of muscle, um, you know, I kind of went up and down with body fat and how I looked, and and that was really hard because if you're you know you're building muscle and you're trying to increase or you're bulking, it changes the shape of your body, your body fat goes up, and when you don't have a great relationship with what you see in the mirror, that can be a real challenge.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So there was some kind of mental struggles through that, and I think it took a lot of acceptance that I'm working on still at 40, but acceptance that you know this is I'm very grateful for what my body can do now.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I've kind of gone through that, and it was a lot, you know, I did a lot of fitness presenting, a lot of conferences and things when you're on stage in front of a lot of people who said that you know is a lot of pressure from the fitness industry.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I just I think I realized that I could probably get to about 35 and realize I was kind of over it and that it wasn't those things that I thought were important weren't, and actually became a way better coach.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I also believe that for me becoming a parent shifted massively my approach on things so within health and fitness, because now I've got this person I'm 100% responsible for that I need to be a role model to, and I need to show good habits, not just habits that can lead towards a goal.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because any I can write down the science of how many calories you need and what macronutrients you need and what kind of training you do, but that doesn't speak to you know an impressionable mind or anybody at the level of the soul, right?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And what that person needs and the things that they need to work on.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it changed a lot for me, and I think it's helped me just become a better coach and just look at it as you know, I'm gonna celebrate what my body can do.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's far from perfect, but it's strong.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm able to be a great dad, utilize it, I can run my business, I feel energetic, healthy, you know, I feel a wide and awake at five in the morning, and you know, I get my sleep in, and those things are way more important to me now.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: But it took me a long time to get there.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can appreciate that.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think probably a lot of people go through that.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think becoming a parent sort of, you know, I I can relate to that in that I didn't realize what how important self-care was in terms of what you're modeling for your child until I had a child.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I kind of took for granted like self-care, you could kind of just fit in anytime, but when you're trying to keep a little one alive, like you said.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, oh, I'm really responsible for keeping this little person alive.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: They send them home from the hospital with you and they're like, here you go, here's your human.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, all right, so when's somebody showing up to show me how I do this?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's like the big joke, right?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the manual?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: We read all the manuals, nothing was helpful, but anyway, um, you know, I I sort of had like this crisis myself with what everything I thought I was supposed to do to keep the human alive was working.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: I did a good job with that, you know.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I didn't realize how to fit myself into that picture.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I sort of put myself last and and then started to suffer for it because, you know, being a new parent is exhausting.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: You don't really sleep.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: And sort of just by default was like, all right, there's gotta be something better than this for me.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, this is not what I envisioned as a parent being exhausted all the time and deprived of of you know time for myself.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, even just going to nutrition, like I'm trying to decide what to feed this tiny human and and make sure it's healthy, and then I'm just grabbing whatever quick and easy for myself, you know.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I think I think it really reflects a lot back on yourself of like what am I putting out into the world?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if if I'm gonna send this little one on their way, what am I giving them?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: What am I arming them with in life?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that I think that comes down to our wellness and the way we communicate and you know our emotional regulation and all those things, right?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: We arm them with so many things, and you know, the other thing I was I always think about over the last five years is how much they also teach us in that too, and teach us how to be better and and how to show up.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, we kind of laugh that we need a manual, but what we find out is they're the manual.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: That is for sure the truth.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: One of what someone said to me, uh, we teach our we teach our kids everything we know and then they teach us everything else.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's the discovery every day.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what it what am I gonna learn today that I don't know about the world from this this little being?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:59
  unknown: Oh yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you make it work?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that like a lot of people will ask me, okay, so I get it, I'm supposed to sleep all this time, but like how the heck do you make it work?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and and stay fit and eat well and do all the things.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: What what is the magical formula that works for your family?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Great question.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think the most important thing to start that with is that it is the magical formula for our family.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: And here's where we get into the uh the science versus the the real world or the soul and how that, you know, how we feed that and what that looks like for everybody is a little bit different.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: However, what you know we specialize in as a business because as we realised, we are extremely busy parents um that don't have enough time to move as much as we should and feel great.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's our client base, exactly those people, busy parents that want to move more and feel great.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: And uh why we pitch it like that is because that's really what a lot of people in the same position as us need.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And how we do that as a family, there's a few things, and yes, there's this, you know, we won't talk too much about sleep because that's definitely not my area of expertise.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'll uh pass the baton on that later.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: But we were very adamant that we were gonna be very cautious around sleep habits in our house.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: First thing I read some articles about how the average parents seven hours, sorry, seven years of sleep deprivation for a new parent.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, absolutely not.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is that gonna be me?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't do well without my sleep cycle.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and my wife sleeps way more than I do and needs it too.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: So we were adamant that we were gonna do that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate there's definitely some luck and some fortune in how your children sleep.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: However, we were adamant that we were gonna create this environment where everybody could sleep and feel great because that was, you know, everything we do is affected by it.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that I speak to this to our clients all the time.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you feel after you've had a bad night's sleep?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's the chance of you doing a hard workout?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: What's the chance of you making a good choice with your nutrition?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna happen, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I was like, I know what's gonna happen when I don't sleep well because I've been out, you know, till 3 a.m.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: and then try to stay on my fitness the next day.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: No way, I'm ordering pizza and I'm lying on the couch getting like 500 accepted.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know what happens, right?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if you constantly imagine that now times seven days, times seven years or whatever.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a big part of us.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: So for us, we started that journey, and then we also looked at ensuring that as soon as she could understand that the self-care thing, whatever that looks like, was obvious in our house.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: So when we were going out to do something, it was why we were doing it and making sure the messaging was there.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: So mummy's going to the gym, when we go to the gym, she feels good, she feels stronger, and it's good for our mental health, as opposed to mummy needs to get her pre-baby body back, which that's a whole thing we don't want to talk about.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I'll go off on a rant, but maybe later.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it's that orientation, right?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Of of where we're at and embracing that and knowing that, you know, and I know we say that, Daddy, why are you going downstairs to work out?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going downstairs to work out because it makes me feel good.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna be stronger and I'm gonna be able to, you know, throw you around and play wrestling on the bed.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like that I don't just do that at 40 years old, I have to be conditioned to do that, or else otherwise, you know, I'm slipping a disc and I'm in hospital.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: So there's there's many reasons why we made it uh we made it important that we exercise in and around our home so that she can see that, and especially in the last few years, we moved to a house where we were able to have a home gym, and for many other reasons as well, that we we moved to a new community.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: But that was one of them to have that space so she could see it and she could be in it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that was key.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that meant that we could keep our workouts up because I just shared with you before we were recording, we had March break here in Canada last week, and the week before our daughter had stomach flu.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had two weeks of trying to run a business, trying to keep my workouts in, trying to eat well with a five-year-old, you know, on my hip all day.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: So this is just another example.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: We have it.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: So she knows, so like we're gonna go in the basement now, and I put uh she's big into Disney and Disney's Encanto right now, as probably most five year olds are.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So she says, Can I do a dance break, Disney dance break on YouTube?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: On the, you know, and we have it, we have our business here, so our studio set up, so it's got flashy lights and a big screen.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: So she loves it.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: She comes down here, she puts on a couple of dance videos like half an hour.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I did My workout next to her so she can see me doing it, she's doing her activity.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we made it a we've just made it an inbuilt thing that we do.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that's kind of another thing we do.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're kind of two big things.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: We always sit down and eat together as a family.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is key for our nutrition.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: So every meal, well, every dinner um is down as a family.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: We eat the same food.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: We've always encouraged her to do that.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we were again, we're big foodies, so we were adamant that we wanted her to have experience all of these foods early on and enjoy them so we can share, you know.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I appreciate that not every food is a favorite food for a five-year-old, but you know, that's the messaging, right?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Not everything's gonna be your favorite, but have a little bit of what you love and a little bit of what you don't love so much, and it's balance.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a big thing.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: And just movement in general.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: We walk a lot as a family.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: We walk to school, we walk home from school, we get out there and we move, and you know, it's just fitting those things in around the schedule of a child or around the schedule of whatever it is that consumes your time.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, it's 5 a.m.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: to work out, it's um, you know, or I'm making sure I get I'm walking to school and walking back.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm very fortunate to have built, you know, to have a lifestyle where I can do that.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, just that, right?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's an extra 20 minutes, you know, each way.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: So 40 minutes of walking a day for me and for the dog.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the dog's not unhealthy and overweight in the corner, like she gets movement too.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it it for us, it's just creating an environment where these things are part of what we do, and we're doing them for the right reason.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a very long-winded answer, but uh to give a few ideas and then summarize kind of you know how I position that in our house.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully that was clear enough, made sense.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think it's super clear.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think what's really great about that, and that I'm picking up in terms of themes, is that there are there are conscious choices that you're making.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not just this assumption that you're gonna figure it out, and there's a communication piece too.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Not only, I'm sure between you and your wife, like you can't just kind of go in different directions and your daughter's left, like, well, what am I doing?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: You have to consciously, you know, plan and organize and think about how are we gonna make this work as a family and making those those choices and decisions to support it.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: And and like you said, creating the environment in which it's so much easier for you to be successful because you've already set yourself up.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you're not sort of, you know, waking up and like, so what's going on today?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: How are we gonna make this work?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're you've already sort of set the tone and got the bowl rolling for yourself.
• 25:06
  unknown: Yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I see that.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think that's some of the skills that really work.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: You can kind of apply it to wherever you need to as a family.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, I'm 100% behind prioritizing sleep as like the first thing because it is.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean that if we did want to go into the science, you know, the science behind, you know, if if you don't get a good night's sleep, your capacity mentally to make good decisions is not there.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Your your willingness to stick with, like you said, like staying out until 3 a.m.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: and then waking up and thinking that you're gonna have the same amount of ability to do the workout that you typically do if you got your eight or nine hours is just not it's not gonna happen.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's sort of setting those foundational pieces as well.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's so so important.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, sleep's such a big topic.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I hear that you're gonna be on a very amazing podcast soon talking about it.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um I believe so.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is the word on the street.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I thank you for that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's like a good plug for everybody.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I agree with you, just as a complete side note, you know, the the the podcasting world is just such a great place to connect with people and to, you know, to share some of these these pieces that ultimately what we're trying to do is just live the best lives that we can.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: And um, everybody's got these little bits and pieces of secrets of things that are their special sauce that works for them.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: And if you can take it and apply it, whether it's the framework or it's a specific idea, you know, improving the quality of your life, especially now.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Especially now.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like, you know, the experience that people have had over the past couple of years with the pandemic, with being home and quarantining on various different levels, you know, everybody's in a different place.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: And what those two years looked like for people is very different.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I think we can all agree that the environment in the world that we're stepping back out into, you know, in some ways with a new sense of normal, it's making us think about the way that we're existing and what's worth keeping and what's worth letting go, you know.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, any great lessons for you either in terms of fitness or just uh keeping those routines working in your life over the past couple of years?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the the the key the things to keep and the things to let go of uh really powerful for me the last few years to look at those things.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I I shared obviously a little bit about how you know I walk my daughter to school, I pick her up.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm here, we get to hang out.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like she had uh she had a incremental weather day today at school, so she was home, so she hung out.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: We know I worked a little bit, but we kind of hung out for the rest of the time.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the the reason why I bring that back up is that you know, and I'm sure some people will hear that and say, well, that's really nice if you've got the environment where you can do that.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: But uh what I wanted to come back to is it comes from hard decisions.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: So making those decisions of what to lose and what to keep are really difficult.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll I'll share a little story of mine the last few years.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I went into the beginning of you know this global pandemic with a full-time leadership role with a massive fitness company.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd been in this role for about two or three years, traveling over the country, uh, doing heaps of cool stuff with cool people, a job that I truly loved.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd actually come out of a meeting, I think everything shut down in Canada on the the Monday of like mid-March, so like to the day almost right now.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: The week prior to that, I'd been in a big meeting, you know, with all of the leadership of the company discussing where my role was going, where we were going as a department, and I was on the path of something that was really exciting, and I was quite married to the the title, and my ego was well at play, and it was the one of hands down, one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make to let go of that job.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it took me three months of going back and forward.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I had the the luxury of being on uh on benefit when I wasn't working, so I worked for a big period of time during COVID, then I was laid off for a little bit, then I went back, and I what basically happened is you know, the universe fate, whatever you want to call it, my role changed a lot, and what was on the cards for me wasn't there.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I had this little helping hand, this little shove.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it was hard because I didn't know what the business was going to look like, and I made a decision to step away from that, and I I'll share exactly the moment because I still know it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was sitting at the table, we're eating dinner as a family, and I turned to my daughter while I was sitting there in a real not in a good place mentally, and I said, Do you remember when daddy would travel everywhere for work and you talk to me on on Messenger and we'd we'd you know I'd talk to you before bedtime and I'd go to all these different places and I'd bring you back something fun.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, But you know, I wasn't here that much because I was away a lot, and you know, it wasn't a huge amount of travelling, but and she says, and she said, Yeah, I remember.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, and I said, Do you know what daddy does now?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: And she says, Yes, you go downstairs, and and at the time I was just coaching a little bit online.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I said, Do I go downstairs?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: I coach my clients, and then I come back upstairs and then we play and we hang out and we do so.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you want daddy to do?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, I want daddy to go down to the basement and then come up and play with me.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was it.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was it.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a few few tearful nights and some, you know, some navigating things, and then that was it.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I took that little bit of part-time coaching that I was just kind of doing while you know we were figuring out the world and launched a brand new business.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it was geared around my purpose, which is being the best dad I can be, and you know, making an impact on the world, which with this business that I run now, I can do both those things.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: So that is what I learned during I could have just said this is what I learned, it would have been a lot quicker.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it hopefully it paints the picture that that's what I learned.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: I learned that big, brave decisions are really difficult.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you know, if you really ask the hard questions of why, I think we come to the right decision.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't learn that until the last two years.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I I think that's great.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that you took the long road there because I think the story is is really important and relatable.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, kind of what I was thinking when you were first saying is like I heard like that little voice in the back of your head, must be nice, must be nice.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, that that kind of assumption that people have that, you know, you you've been dealt some sort of, you know, golden set of cards that you get to have this, that this is just, but you're right, it's it, it was choices, but some hard ones and some ones made without knowing exactly what is going to happen, but done with the right intention and with probably a lot of faith that it was gonna work out because you prioritize things that you wanted them to be.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and it's it's funny that someone actually made a call, I think it was on a social media post or something, and I and I spoke to a friend of mine that also runs his own business, and they said, Hey, look, what's your thought on this?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Someone made a kind of comment that's like that thing, oh, it must be nice.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd made some, you know, probably some video that was kind of targeting the market of people we have, and it was, oh, it must be nice to have that flexibility, and kind of felt like I was like, you know, I kind of want to respond with like justifying it.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Do you want my advice?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, and he said, just reply with, yeah, it is nice.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is, and thank you.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I don't need to explain myself to you.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: My life is nice, and if anyone doesn't like that, that's kind of tough because I love working at home, I love having my own business, I love being here and being out of go, oh, my daughter's not going to school today because the weather's bad.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, all right, so what?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just stay home and hang out.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is really nice, but come spend a day in my life and see about all the hard stuff that you have to do when you run a business, and you know, you you sit down in your basement all day in your in your professional office setting, and it is hard work, it is really hard work.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that that kind of has been my response, and I'm really what it's really hard for me to respond like that because it's not my natural personality, but I'm I'm trying my best to say, yeah, yeah, it's nice.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoy my life, and I'm glad I made the hard decisions to get it where it is.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and it's totally worth celebrating.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the that people can kind of look at entrepreneurs and and especially entrepreneurs that have become successful and sort of try to dissect it and figure out, well, what was it that they got that I don't have that they're so lucky to have that makes them successful?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think people are reluctant to believe that it really does take a little bit of like, you know, you relinquishing the need to control what the outcome is.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's different than when you have you have a 401k and you have a plan and everything is there, and sort of being like, well, I understand that it's also means that I'm I'm it stops with me.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: So if nobody else ops in to do this stuff, it's not happening.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be me.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a lot of it's a lot of responsibility, but it's an incredible amount of freedom that you're allotted for that.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not, it's not entirely just free-for all.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's freedom.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, it's that choice of your freedom comes from you having that that decision-making authority and control.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it absolutely is.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it I kind of think of it like this.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: If you imagine a if you imagine a 400-meter hurdle race around a track, so anyone that doesn't know what that is, they run around in a circle, there's eight lanes, and I just see it that sometimes you're in one lane and you're stuck in that one lane, and there's all these hurdles that you have to jump over, life hurdles, work hurdles, everything.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the only difference is I'm running it, I just got all eight lanes.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I got a bit more freedom.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm running around, and I can kind of jump in and out of this, and I can do that, and I have a bit more freedom and flexibility.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have the same hurdles, you know.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'm I'm up, I have to work from five till seven in the morning, and then I work at seven till nine at night.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I don't, and sometimes I work in the day, and and and sometimes I'm overcoming those other hurdles that come up in life.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just very fortunate to have a situation where I can do that, um, you know, and I appreciate that there's um there's lots of people that that maybe can't get to that position, but it starts with those those tough choices, and yes, there's freedom, but there's struggles as well along with it.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it actually, when I was sitting here telling that kind of that story and and bringing that all together, is it's much like people's fitness journey.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy to say, oh, it must be nice to be in shape.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it is nice to be in shape.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is it's also a lot of work, it's a lot of work, and come back with me on a little journey to when I was 16, 15.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about being in shape and how, oh, it must be easy for you.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that has really helped me with you know my empathy skills as a coach.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because you do get a lot of that, oh, it must be, oh, it's nice for you, it must be easy, because you know, you get to move move and work out for a job, and you get to, you know, look like that.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, but I didn't look like this.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that that's a whole other message in the way we approach people and and what they look like.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: But it's true, it is there's a lot of hard work behind that, you know, there's a lot of the science of it, right?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of understanding what you put in your body, there's a lot of understanding exercise and movement, and you don't have to be a fitness professional to do that, but you do have to invest time and you know, have a coach that comes and helps you with that stuff so you can understand it because it's a lot of hard work and it's overwhelming, it's overwhelming for me, and I'm meant to know all that stuff.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, for someone who doesn't, it can be overwhelming, and it's easy to see someone's current state or end state, whatever you want to call it in regards to their physicality, and not see that and want that straight away.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: So anyone embarking on that fitness journey, remember that.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that there's there's there's a story behind everyone, and you know, we we don't we don't know what that is.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's so important, and it's that comparisonitis, like that, like don't compare like chapter one in your novel to somebody's chapter 10.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: They've already they're already 10 chapters in.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: They've been putting in the work, they've been putting in the time, you know, it's not it's not overnight, you know.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so yeah, I think that's really important.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think if people can learn anything from that, it's that, you know, challenging your own assumptions about what it's like for people and and approaching with curiosity.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I love being curious.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: I love figuring out like how the heck do people make this work?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because I know how hard it is, you know, in my life for the things.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I love sleep.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm a a prioritizer of sleep, but it's still a challenge for me.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: I still have to have the discipline of like, okay, nope, this is the time that everything shuts down and I go to bed, or I haven't done a great job.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta be honest about that, and I need to get back into it and and reset that routine.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: So um I agree with you.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think in those moments, it that's when you really need a coach.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: So so tell me more about your coaching, how it is that your approach is different and um what's making it so successful for people?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, big big question.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: So why is it different?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the thing essentially it isn't.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh that might if anyone to then just like stop listening uh because they're like, well, that wasn't interesting.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's not, and I can paint you this beautiful picture, and I'll start, I will get to the point, but I'll start with this little bit that I think is important, is the fitness industry and the coaching, health and fitness, nutrition, wellness, whatever you want to call it, is uh most of the time about 10% of the same science and facts and the same things that work.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: We need to coach to certain things.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: There are uh, you know, there's uh carbs, proteins, fats, there's micronutrients.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's not changed in hundreds and hundreds, ever.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's not changed ever.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um as long as we've been writing books and recording information, it's been the same thing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's the energy balance within the body, you know, the amount of calories you use up or the energy you use up on a daily basis and the amount you go, it's the same science, the same fact we've had hundreds of years.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: We still squat, lunge, push, pull, like primal movements are the same they've been since we've been recording information.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: So what we're essentially doing in the business is nothing different from anyone else because that stuff remains the fact.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: What we're trying to do is take that and apply it to uh busy parents that want to move more and feel good so they can show up as great parents and in what they do, run their businesses, show up at work and do those things.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: And we know that if you move more, you feel good.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Tied into that as we move more and we eat well, we generally sleep better, we have better habits around that.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: And overall, you know, good sleep, good nutrition, good movement, quality, those things are gonna lead to you feeling better, okay?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that will start to build this pattern of success, and that pattern of success creates a pattern of consistency.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: And for anyone that ever listened to something on social media, read an article, saw a video about something that was gonna give you these magical results from fitness, know that nothing is magical, and they all work.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Either the claims are lies or they all work for the same reason, which is you're moving more, you're managing your energy balance with your nutrition better through some system, but it's all working for the same reason.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's where our start.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: So we try and approach it from this point of view, first and foremost.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Secondly, that's very like out there.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So take it, take what you want, leave what you don't.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you a little bit about why what we actually do and why it's different.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: So we apply those principles.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what we do is we run an online, it's basically an online fitness studio.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we have a schedule of workout routines, training sessions, you know, kind of group-based classes, group-based training, and also one-to-one, but predominantly group is our focus.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: The reason why we're different is we have a platform where everyone, I can see everybody, they can see me, there's accountability, there's technique correction, there is all these ways to enhance your workouts, and there are proven skills to coaching and connecting via a camera, which are very different than in person, to help you be successful and you know continue that journey.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of what we do differently and what we you know focus it on.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's just to give you an example, if anybody listening right now goes on in YouTube's best fitness workout, you'll find two million hits in there.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: And there's still 80% of the population in North America that aren't getting enough physical activity.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not lack of resources.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta find something to hold you accountable and keep you there, get you on track and make sure you're doing it well.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of what we do, you know, in a different format in regards to online coaching and uh obviously the approach that we take to it.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's odd.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think that that is a huge thing because you're right, because you can because I was even I was telling you I I got myself a rowing machine and I was like, all right, I really have to make sure I'm doing like proper form and stuff.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like I can't just, you know, go at this machine not knowing what I'm doing.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's about a million options.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, easy beginner, you know, like um 15 minutes.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just want to get the format right before I I try to do anything too much.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: And you're right, there's a ton, but there was nobody on the other side of that who is like, wait, wait, wait, no, drop your shoulders more.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like make sure you're anchoring your shoulder blades, you know, you're you're leaning back too far when you're where you're supposed to just come a little bit, you know.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, that's making me think like how how vital that piece, that feedback loop is.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's yeah, understanding how to how to how to correct that position, but also just knowing that it's even not as effective as it could be.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: So picture it like this uh you wanna draw a draw a stick man picture on a piece of paper or whatever, depending on your artistic skills.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna draw a picture looking at it.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now close your eyes and try and draw that same picture and tell me what it comes out like.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's never gonna be the same, or you write your name and you don't look like this it's hard to you're not looking in on yourself exercising to say, hey, this looks absolutely A, you might not know what a good technique looks like, and even if you do, I have many people that have been exercising for years, you know, other fitness professionals that come and train with us, and they're like, I can't believe how you know how much those little corrections make.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Difference, I'm like, yeah, because you can't see yourself excellent.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: None of us can, even in a mirror, it's not really, you know, the second you're looking at yourself, you're probably affecting your technique.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you often need that person watching in and coaching you, and and that's what we do.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it makes a huge difference in the way people are executing things, and you know, the beauty of convenience that they can do it right from their basement or their lounge or their spare room or whatever that looks like.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, making a big impact, and you know, we're we're loving doing it and and helping people out.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so tell me a little bit about if people are interested in in checking out what you do, what are the ways that they can connect with you?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um social media, website.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you want to come along for the journey and learn a little bit more about myself and and my wife Nikki, who runs a business with me, then you can probably the best place to go over to Instagram and find us at the knock academy, and that's N-O-C-K Academy.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: And just come give us a follow.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Check out what we're up to.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: We post on there daily, you know, our schedules, what we're up to, our things our clients are saying.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: We post ridiculous reels that we think are funny, and hopefully we'll get the odd laugh out of them.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're just on there trying to build a build our community out.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we're kind of what we call our wider community.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we also have our podcast, as you heard earlier, uh, which I'm probably the thing I'm most proud of the last couple of years is the name of that podcast, Knock Knock, who's there, because we co-hosted it together.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I thought it was funny.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'll keep going on about it forever until it's not a podcast anymore.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: But we have fitness guests on, we uh we have an amazing series of sleep-esque experts coming up real soon.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: You might know one of them.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um and we uh we talk to many people in the worlds of health and fitness, but we also bring the Nock Academy members on to tell their stories.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: So they talk about their experience with us, their fitness journeys, we have these amazing conversations like this one, and talk about all of those types of things.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really uh a different thing that we do within the podcast.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: So another great place to connect if that's something, a medium you like.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can just head over to thenocacademy.com where you can find out uh basically all of that stuff, the links, the podcast, what we what we do, how we do it, um, a little bit more information about us.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, we'll be happily just to connect.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, we have that wider community that we encourage people to Facebook and all those sorts of things, every social media platform.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: We just like to get people encouraged, and if somebody can take something away from a a post I make about a correct push-up technique, and that's that's all you ever get from what we do, then that makes me happy.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's impacting the world the way I want to.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, hopefully that leads to someone else getting more from what we do, and obviously us continuing to have a successful business.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: So any any connection, any, you know, any person that we can support on their journey, we're always happy to.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I think it's fantastic what you're doing.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I love following you on Instagram.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: I love the reels because I haven't figured out how to do those yet.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I always appreciate when somebody can do them.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't taken the time to figure it out.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I think what also really excites me about what you're doing and what lights me up about what I'm doing is that you've you've found this beautiful crossroads of the things that you're passionate about, of being able to do those things, prioritize your family and your daughter, and make the world a better, brighter place just by investing in the things that make you happy.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that, if nothing else, if people get nothing else, and I hope they do more, but if they get nothing else, that that choice and that prioritization in your life, I think is such a great model for other people to take and run with.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because I just know the people that I'm connecting with who are doing that, it is making the lives of everyone who's, you know, in in close circle to them or just seeing what they're up to more exciting, more inspired, you know.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I thank you for doing that.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that is such a a great piece of what we're able to do.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I love the podcast as well.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't listened to um the Start Talking podcast yet, but um knock knock who's there is wonderful.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: I love the the dual hosting um that you and your wife Nikki do.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's fantastic.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh I kind of secretly hate that I've been podcasting like 10 times longer than her, and she was just like, oh, I'm gonna podcast.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Yeah, I can probably do that, right?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: And she just like burst into it.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's like, wow, Nikki's so good at podcasting.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, uh, excuse me.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, she yeah, she took to it like a like a natural and uh like I said, it's a real passion of mine, and it's helped me explore, you know, that that curiosity, explore life, so you know, really enjoyable part of what we do.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, thank you for your kind words.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: All all tremendously heartfelt.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so appreciative of you coming on the show.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm really excited to see where uh things go for you as your business is growing, and I will continue to listen to the podcast excited to come on and talk about sleep anytime.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I would love to have you back.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we can we can dive a little more deep into the parenting piece of things and being an entrepreneur because I think that that is such a great way to uh explore what we do because there is like at the at the heart of every parent is just wanting to do better for their little ones.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: So um I would love to do that at some point in the future.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I thank you so much for being here.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you've been an excellent guest, and of course, you're a pro.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I really encourage you all to go um follow the Nock Academy on Instagram, go check out the podcast, um, and we'll link everything in the show notes for you.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's been uh it's been an absolute pleasure.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'd love to just finish by saying remember that the world of health and fitness is 10% fact and 90% opinion.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: So wherever you're on your journey, many different things, you can choose any approach you like.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: They're all gonna pretty much go down the same path in regards to that kind of that fact and that science.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: But do something you enjoy to do because you'll keep doing it, you'll be consistent, you'll celebrate your successes, and that is the the hierarchy of achieving your results.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most important thing.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right, everyone, have a good one.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.