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Normally Podcast: Media Bias, Miami Elections & Erika Kirk’s Strength · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we're back. Normally the show was normally it
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  Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm there to sell him him and I'm Carol Markowitz
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  Speaker 2: plus going over there, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: It's all right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I mentioned this, but my kids did
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  Speaker 1: me so dirty this week.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what they do?
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  Speaker 1: They posed really nicely for our picture and now I
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  Speaker 1: have to do a Christmas card.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yay. Great. Because I'm still suffering with what I'm
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  Speaker 2: writing on.
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  Speaker 1: Mine, I decided not to write anything. I was like, yeah, Sela.
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  Speaker 2: Vi, I don't know. I did that last year and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people were like, oh, I missed the
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  Speaker 2: little story about your kids, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, writing is hard.
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  Speaker 2: Writing is very hard. And we were just saying that
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  Speaker 2: right before the show began, talking far easier than writing.
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  Speaker 2: Writing is difficult, and it's yeah hard. So we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to get totally into this because this isn't one
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  Speaker 2: of our topics. But a lot of people are asking
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  Speaker 2: what we think about the Myami mayoral race going to
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  Speaker 2: a Democrat, and we had talked about it on the
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  Speaker 2: show before, and I think we should just get into
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit, so I would just say what
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  Speaker 2: I've said previously on the show is the Miami mayor
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  Speaker 2: is not like the New York mayor. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: this huge, you know, big deal mayor. It's a few neighborhoods.
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  Speaker 2: It's Miami City. Nevertheless, it's not great that a seat
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  Speaker 2: that had been Republican for a very long time, and
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  Speaker 2: again fairly liberal republican, but still Republican, has now gone
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  Speaker 2: to a Democrat. Two things about this One, it's an
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  Speaker 2: off year election. Democrats are more motivated. We talk about
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  Speaker 2: that on here all the time. Two, they don't actually
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  Speaker 2: run under a party, so it's not even like you
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  Speaker 2: could say, oh, there was a party line thing, although
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe Democrats came out and voted for her anyway,
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  Speaker 2: But Eileen Higgins is the new going to be the
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  Speaker 2: new mayor of the City of Miami. Now, again, this
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  Speaker 2: is only a few neighborhoods. It does not include. For example,
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  Speaker 2: people think of Miami, they think of South Beach they
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  Speaker 2: have a Republican mayor. Surfside they have a Republican mayor.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you know, Sunny Isles they have a Republican mayor.
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  Speaker 2: Bay Harbor they have a Republican mayor. These are all
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  Speaker 2: the different areas of Miami under the Miami Dade umbrella.
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  Speaker 2: So this is just one part of it.
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  Speaker 1: There are many Miamis.
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  Speaker 2: There are many many Miamis who knew.
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  Speaker 1: I do think this is like, you know, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: portend great things. Right. There was also another special election
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  Speaker 1: for this is a state based House representative in Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: not a US House representative, but he the Republican lost
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  Speaker 1: a seat there that in twenty twenty four he had
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  Speaker 1: won by some twenty plus points. Yeah, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a district that was plus twelve in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: and he was just edged out by the Democrats. So
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  Speaker 1: that is you know, there's obvious energy here from Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: There are obvious issues for Republicans that if they are
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  Speaker 1: not on top of addressing and if they are intent
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  Speaker 1: on pretending don't exist, yes, you'll get more of this.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The message of these races has to be the
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  Speaker 2: Republican Party has to get the voters more motivated. There
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  Speaker 2: is something to be said for we just had a
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  Speaker 2: presidential election last year. The Republican candidate won. Republican candidates
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  Speaker 2: are on cruise control a little bit not candidates. Republican
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  Speaker 2: voters are on cruise control a little bit. The party
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  Speaker 2: needs to work on that, The president needs to work
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  Speaker 2: on that. We need to have the messaging bee. We
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  Speaker 2: need you to come out and vote again. It's time
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  Speaker 2: to come back out. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Let's make it happen every two years. Guys, that's how
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  Speaker 1: it works. So but you got I look, it is
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  Speaker 1: the business of convincing people over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Over and over again. Hard we do. Yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get back into what our first topic of the
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  Speaker 2: day is. It's actually a combination of two of our things.
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  Speaker 2: Now it can be told and still mad Bro's it's
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  Speaker 2: a topic made for us. So it turns out that
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  Speaker 2: youth mental health health suffered because schools stayed closed and
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  Speaker 2: improved when schools reopened. No way, who could have guessed this.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine who figured this out. Yeah, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: we have this new evidence. As if we didn't know that,
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  Speaker 1: like there were very real social costs to social isolation
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  Speaker 1: before this. Like this is the thing that bothered me
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  Speaker 1: about COVID is that no one did risk analysis. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: they went all in just in uninfection. As if that
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  Speaker 1: were the only risk in the world. And it's as
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  Speaker 1: if we knew nothing about human behavior up until that moment. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so then they were just like, no screens for seven
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  Speaker 1: hours a day is fine for kids, and in your
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  Speaker 1: house all day is totally fine. We don't have any
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  Speaker 1: refuting evidence for that. It's like your brain. Your brain's
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  Speaker 1: the refuting evidence.
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  Speaker 2: But also it was evidence that they themselves had produced
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  Speaker 2: before that. That's it's really crazy. It's that the same
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  Speaker 2: people who had made the evidence to say this stuff
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  Speaker 2: is bad, like screens or not seeing faces for or
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing, then reverse themselves because they were
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  Speaker 2: told to. Basically, it was like, no, now you have
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  Speaker 2: to change what you thought before, and they they it
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  Speaker 2: was just a big lie. And when you have a
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  Speaker 2: result that you want and you change the evidence to
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  Speaker 2: get to that result, that is not science. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what we were saying the whole time, is that none
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  Speaker 2: of this is science based. None of this has any
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  Speaker 2: basis and anything factual. You're just telling us what the teachers'
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  Speaker 2: unions want you to say, and that doesn't fly. This
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  Speaker 2: is also this was a study of nearly two hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand California school children who have private insurance. So this
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  Speaker 2: is already not The poorest segment of the population is
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  Speaker 2: who I think has been absolutely ignored throughout this whole process. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I was on America's newsroom today and I felt myself
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  Speaker 2: getting angry talking about this time, like I am still mad, bro,
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  Speaker 2: and I really I like started getting like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the poorest kids were held back from going to school.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember all the rich parents around me sending
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  Speaker 2: their kids to private school or going to their beach
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  Speaker 2: house and sending the open public schools there or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and the poorest kids had nobody saying anything, and the
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  Speaker 2: teachers union stopped those schools from opening the longest, you know,
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  Speaker 2: going back to California, the truth is that the private
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  Speaker 2: schools opened months and months before the public schools. Gavin
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  Speaker 2: Newsom's kids got to go to school, well before the
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  Speaker 2: public school kids got to go to school. So it
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  Speaker 2: just it really still pisses me off, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I'm ever going to get over that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like also, they continue to give themselves an
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  Speaker 1: out right. So the headline on this New York Times
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  Speaker 1: coverage of this study, which was produced by the journal Epidemiology, says,
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  Speaker 1: youth mental health improved when schools reopened. Study finds with
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  Speaker 1: the end of school shutdowns, children's mental health appointments fell sharply,
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  Speaker 1: though other factors may have contributed. There's also inside here
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  Speaker 1: a quote from one of the doctors who was involved
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  Speaker 1: in this. This is definitely a piece of evidence that
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  Speaker 1: I wish we'd have at the beginning of the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: to inform the conversations we were having a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people knew that we knew badly. We were saying it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were saying it. There was evidence, as you point out,
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  Speaker 1: that the very same elite organizations had studied in the past.
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  Speaker 1: There was also specific study of kids who missed school
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  Speaker 1: for a long period of time due to Katrina when
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  Speaker 1: they were displaced that the NPR reporter who famously wrote
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  Speaker 1: the Now It Can Be Told book on school closings
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't report on very much while she was
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  Speaker 1: at NPR, oh education reporter, She noted that there was
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  Speaker 1: a study available for this that was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is real bad for students. Yes, yes, And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, this cop out where they're like, I wish
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  Speaker 1: we'd had this information, had we known. Yeah, you could
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  Speaker 1: check Georgia or Texas or Florida or Europe.
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  Speaker 2: Or say right, Europe opens in the summer of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, do the CARDI b ies the you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can see with your eyes the European children were
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  Speaker 2: not dropping dead. And that we knew, we knew. And
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  Speaker 2: the other thing, I'm it's gonna continue to be angry
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  Speaker 2: about this, and another thing, and one more thing. We
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  Speaker 2: knew since the beginning that older people were at most
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  Speaker 2: at risk for this virus. We knew that March twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: I have evidence that I was saying that in March
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and I'm nobody. So we knew that the
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  Speaker 2: kids were out of school. When the elderly population went
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  Speaker 2: back to like seeing shows and going to restaurants and
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  Speaker 2: just you know, being right up in each other's faces,
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  Speaker 2: and the kids still stayed out of school. It was
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  Speaker 2: a political calculation. It was all about politics. It was
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  Speaker 2: all about what Randy Winingarten wanted. And that's what went
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  Speaker 2: wrong here. I do appreciate that the author of this
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  Speaker 2: New York Times piece about the study does mention that
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  Speaker 2: by fall of that year, many private and public schools,
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  Speaker 2: mostly in Republican led states, reopened. So it was a
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  Speaker 2: political thing. And guess who thinks that somebody else is
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  Speaker 2: responsible for this, Mary Catherine, here's Randy Weingarten looking for
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  Speaker 2: somebody to blame.
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder what you think, like looking back to
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  Speaker 4: that tumultuous period of time, do you think that teacher
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  Speaker 4: unions and Democrats have done enough self examination in the
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  Speaker 4: role they played in pandemic school closures?
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  Speaker 1: Like were their mistakes made?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Of course there were, and there were mistakes made
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  Speaker 3: by everyone. There was huge mistakes made by the Trump
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  Speaker 3: administration to not be clear, to not focus on safety
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  Speaker 3: as they were focusing on reopening it. Reopening became political,
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  Speaker 3: not became something that we all should have prioritized.
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  Speaker 2: Reopening became political. It was you, ma'am. It was you.
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  Speaker 1: It was you. She does this dance every time where
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  Speaker 1: she as they all did. She's like, I wanted to open.
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  Speaker 1: I just I wanted to open safely. The safely meant
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: give me many, many, many billions of dollars. Yeah, me
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  Speaker 1: first place in the vaccine line. Then I won't go
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  Speaker 1: back to school. Also give me more billions. And the
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  Speaker 1: safety that I'm going to set the bar for cannot
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  Speaker 1: possibly be reached by ninety percent of schools.
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  Speaker 2: Will never be met.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, was what she did. That was what she did.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at the map that she offered, under
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: the strictures that she offered when they came and wrote
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  Speaker 1: policy for the Biden administration, it was unattainable. The point
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: was to say we want to open and to not
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  Speaker 1: allow reopening. That's what she did. And by the way,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: can I read some of the specifics here. The study
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  Speaker 1: published on Monday, tracked medical claims for one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty five thousand privately ensured children from ages five to eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Nine months after school's reopened. The probability that a child
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  Speaker 1: would be seen by a provider for a mental health
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  Speaker 1: condition was reduced by forty three percent. The authors found
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  Speaker 1: spending on mental health medications decrease by seven point five percent,
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  Speaker 1: and spending on other treatments like therapy decreased by ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: The improvements were more striking among girls, which is something
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  Speaker 1: we always hear about mental health challenges. These are the
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  Speaker 1: prices we paid for, frankly, the ransom that Randy Winingarden wanted.
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  Speaker 1: And God, by the way, in your taxpayer money. Because
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: while this was happening. It's not just mistakes were made.
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  Speaker 1: People like us who were pointing out that the NPR
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  Speaker 1: reporter had written in June. Anya Kamenets is her name,
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  Speaker 1: She had written in June about kids of essential workers
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  Speaker 1: gathering at YMCA's and ways they had mitigated spread, and
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: that there hadn't been not a dang infection that came
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: from the kids of essential workers in these spaces. We
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: all knew if you wanted to figure it out, you
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  Speaker 1: could have figured it out. And we're pointing out that
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: this is real and it's happening in Europe and Britain,
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  Speaker 1: and they're calling us like human sacrifice people.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they wanted teachers to die. Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 2: the other thing, Like, you know, Andy Winegarden doesn't have school,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have kids in the public school system. We did,
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  Speaker 2: you and I did. What did we not care if
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: our kids were going to die? Of course we cared,
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I think we cared maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more than Randy Winegarden did. So the fact that we
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  Speaker 2: had seen the data, seen what Europe was doing, seeing
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  Speaker 2: what was happening in certain states, we didn't make a
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous decision to want our kids to go back to school,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, for both of us it changed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things going forward and the way that we
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: looked at the public school systems where we lived. So
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not alone in that. Randy Winegarden, as
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  Speaker 2: people like to say, is the biggest school choice advocate
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  Speaker 2: in the country.
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  Speaker 1: She really is.
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  Speaker 2: It really does push people out of public schools and
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  Speaker 2: into private schools and they end up, you know, petitioning
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  Speaker 2: their governments to have school vouchers and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: She's at the forefront of that, you know revolution. Congratulations
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  Speaker 2: Randy Winerarten.
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  Speaker 1: I would say she's done far more than I have
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  Speaker 1: for the cause, and I guess in that way I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate her. But this, the gas lighting continues to this
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  Speaker 1: day about what they did, which is say we want
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  Speaker 1: schools open, make it impossible for them to open. And
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: the very credulous allies in the press were like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they want them open, they want them open.
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  Speaker 1: No another thing they did, by the way, I just
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  Speaker 1: can end again one more thing. Another thing they did
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  Speaker 1: was was say, well, the communities, the marginalized communities that
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about, that we are allegedly disadvantaging by having
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  Speaker 1: schools closed, they don't want to open. And you did
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  Speaker 1: see in polling that many minority families were more worried
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  Speaker 1: about infection than others, perhaps because they had generational households,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: all sorts of things. But what you also found is
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: once schools opened in an area and you saw that
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: no one was dropping dead, everyone wanted to go back. Yea.
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  Speaker 2: So it was right.
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  Speaker 1: It was a spiral created and sustained by school boards
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  Speaker 1: and teachers unions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, they're not going to get away with this,
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: not on normally, not on this show. No, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to keep talking about it. We'll be right back with
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: more on normally.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with the media's newest line
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: of attack on Donald Trump, which woo it's a doozy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's old, Carola. They're gonna do the investigation on an
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: old president.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: Now have we had an old president before? I can't remember.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: It's never happened, right, it never happened.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: So The Atlantic has a piece called the Enfeebling of
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: the President. Trump is showing signs that he's lost the
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: physical stamina to do the job. And our friend Tom
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Bevan at RCP tweeted this and said unbelievable balls by
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: media orgs to push this stuff after four years of
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: gaslight in the public over Joe Biden. There's another piece
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: in the New York Times by Frank Bruney, is sleepy
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Donald to the new sleepy Joe? Was there an old
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: sleepy Joe? I missed the story on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yo, did you guys do that? Don't worry
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  Speaker 1: does Frank have an op ed on that? Because I
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: don't think he does. He yes, Frank says at a
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: cabinet meeting last Tuesday, President Trump didn't merely close his
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: eyes and achieve a dreary stillness universally recognized as a
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: vertical net. He did so during a gathering convened at
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: least in part so he could bathe in his acolytes flattery.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: They batted their eyes at him. He might want to
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: think twice about letting the television cameras in next time.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: And he says it's giving us presidential deja vu. He's
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: starting to give President Joe Biden vibes. I of all
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: the criticisms you can make of don I know, Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: there are many, Yeah, the one about his energy level,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: than that's not it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: He actually has more vigor than I do often, and
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: like this guy, he really doesn't sleep and I really
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: like sleep. So he and I just can't align on this.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: They keep talking about the MRI that he had in October.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: The Atlantic piece goes over it again that we don't
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: know what he had the MRI on, and I don't know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: He seems more than fine, Like, get him on something else,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: get him on being abrasive, get him on you know,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: being rude, any of any of those things fine, but
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: fun lack of energy is just something I don't see
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: them pinning on him, especially again after ignoring the last
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: guy completely and telling us that we were crazy for
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: thinking that that guy wasn't qualified or wasn't up to
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the run.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a classic media ploy, right, which
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: is like, oh no, we're on the case, just only
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: for the people who we dislike. That's it, that's the rule.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: And this is why, you know, many conservatives get understandably
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: extremely frustrated with this double standard, because the media will
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: suddenly pretend that this very big issue, the fitness of
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the president, the mental fitness of the president, is a
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: very big and important issue that they cannot ignore. It
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: would be irresponsible, and it's like, where were why are you?
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  Speaker 1: Where were you? We know exactly where you were. You
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: were hiding, Yeah, for four years, and you lied to everybody.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And this trust deficit has a lot of downstream, really
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: bad effects, not just with the media trust deficite, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: every major institution that insisted on lying to us about
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  Speaker 1: many things in twenty twenty.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yep, and those lies are still reverberating now because nobody
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: believes anything anymore. Nobody believes anyone anymore. The conspiracy nutty
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: culture that we're in right now is a direct result
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of that. I think back to all the lies we
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: were told, and this is why nobody believes anything anymore.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: But okay, the Atlantic piece, you know, the writer is like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the meeting was really boring. I'm also not interested in
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: sitting through several hours worth of secretaries delivering absequious praise.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: But they're doing it for his benefit. If he wants
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: more efficient meetings, he has the power to make it so.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: During one and the thing is, it's written so like
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: how much he hates these people. During one moment, Secretary
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio prattled on about how only Trump
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: could achieve a ceasefire in Gaza, which by the way,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: is true. Trump himself slumped slowly forward with his eyes closed,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: and sat up before his eyelids fluttered again. The President
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: did rouse himself at the end of the meeting, finding
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the energy for a racist rant about Somali's I'm sorry,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: like it's just, you know, the idea that everything that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: these people do is bad and you need to constantly be,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: you know, pummeling them for Rubio prattled on Marco. Rubio
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: prattled on, I've noun prattle.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Ever, I actually watched that meeting and he definitely didn't prattle.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It is again, even if you hate Donald Trump, yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and they do, having media availabilities and open cabinet meetings
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis is greater than not doing those things.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Even if you don't like the way that people talk
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: in the meeting, guess what you're in the room, you
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: get to report on it. These are things that Biden
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: did not offer, period.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And they didn't care. They didn't care that Biden never
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: talked to them. Ever, he was never allowing media to
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: be anywhere near him because then they would know the truth,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: which they already knew because we could all see it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you want to do the eyes again, we
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: could do two Cardi eyes in one and one I
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: got see with the eye.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Well, so that's my thing. My thing too, is like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you could see this in polling where like eighty five
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: percent of voters six months before the press ever dealt
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: with it, were like, yeah, he's too old for a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: second term. Yep, everyone could see it. It was majorities
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of Democrats. I want to say, sixty five to seventy
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: percent of Democrats said this, and the press was just like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: la la la la la. That is not true and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that doesn't work. And I do love to watch Nate
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Silver periodically lose his mind at near a Tanden over this.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Near a Tanden was a Biden administration, highly placed official
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: who no doubt hit all of this, no doubt knew
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: about it. And yet she will be on X like, ooh,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that president is looking quite old? Can you tell from
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a distance now near when you couldn't tell in the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: room before.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a twenty twenty one column called there's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: something wrong with the President.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: We all knowed it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Come on, everybody called it. Though I don't even feel
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: like I was unique among that. I think we were
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: all like, there's something really wrong with this guy?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, should we call this podcast?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: We all knew, We all knew all.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Along many things. We knew many things.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on Normally and widow defense.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We are still on it, all right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: We're back on Normally with an occasional segment which I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wish wasn't necessary, and that is widow Defense. Erica Kirk
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is once again taking criticism because she is in public,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: out and about, talking, smiling, quoting things, defending Turning Point USA,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the legacy of her husband, and people don't like that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: They don't like it. They think it portends that she
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: didn't really care. It's unsreely. Yeah, I hate this argument. Widows,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: as I know very well having been widowed myself, function,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: They raise their children, they smile, they go out, they
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: do things, and they should because you want them learning
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to go about life again. I think that Erica Kirk
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: has done it in a really kind of stunningly strong way.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And I almost think this happened with me a bit too.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I almost think strength, which by the way, I think
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is a gift of her faith and was with me.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Strength sort of works against you because if you're not
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: looking crushed all the time. For people they think that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's somehow suspicious. I want to note this guy, John
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Pavlovitz tweeted today, I've had paper cuts that took longer
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to heal than Erica Kirk.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Ah what a jerk and.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Hold on, wait for it. His bio is this author
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of If God Is Love, Don't be a jerk?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Like, seriously, dude, book my friend. Hey, I have a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: book recommendation for you.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It is especially for someone who claims to be religious
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: as he does. It's really the bar is solo not
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to publicly castigate a widow with two young children.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Right. It's like, if you're going to judge someone, just
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: do it in your head, Like why do you need
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to tell everybody this? And that's another thing. I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that people just have stopped having inside thoughts, like sometimes
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you can just think something and not share it with
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: your followers. It's really possible. It's been done, it is.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I spoke to some of this on America's newsroom the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: other day, particularly the argument you get from some people
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that Erica Kirk is a public figure, therefore everything is
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in bounds. Here's what I had to say about that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's really fitting that Charlie's message that he
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: left behind is not bare knuckle politics or even ideology,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: but pointing people toward God and toward a practical way
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of practicing their faith. I think that's what he was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: very much into, particularly at the end of his life,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and Erica is stepping into those shoes to communicate that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: as well. When she notes that people don't know you,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: people don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just want to note when she takes incoming and takes
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: criticism about how she's living her life because she is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: out there and she is a public figure. She's a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: public figure now because her husband was murdered in cold
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: blood and because she believes in his legacy, and because
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: she wants to speak about it, because she smiles or
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: speaks well, that means she's powerful. She's a powerful woman
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of faith, and she is being given power to do
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: this from a God who loves her. And people don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: understand that many the life she lives behind the scenes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: she's probably shielding us from a lot of her innermost feelings.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And I really, as somebody who was widowed myself with
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: two young children, I admire the strength she's showing and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the way that she's had to step into these shoes
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and to do this, and I frankly, to do battle
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: against darker forces who are trying to speak about Charlie's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: legacy themselves. She's the person to do it, and she's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: doing a great job.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: She really is. That's the thing. Like I root for her,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I root for TPUSA. And it's like if Charlie could
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: see that some of the people that he considered friends
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: are taking a sledgehammer to his organization and criticizing his
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: wife and throwing her under the bus like this, Like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I just I can't believe what he would say. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: just imagine him seeing this and just being devastated at
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: how this all turned out.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's really shocking. And I think the trust deficit
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier, where many people have been
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: betrayed by major institutions and media, and frankly, the AI
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: world is going to make it even harder for us
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to know what is true and what is not. Combined
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: with the attention economy, has created some of the worst
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: incentives and actors I have ever seen my life. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have known many widows, many of them are treated very badly.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: They people get in legal fights, they get in fights
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: over property and legacy and all sorts of things. They're
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: shunned from their former families. Like all sorts of bad
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: stuff happens, because grief is really hard for people. But
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I've never seen what the Candace Owens and at all
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: are pulling with Erica Kurkin. And it's really really wrong.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And we have to use our discernment to decide when
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: asking questions isn't just asking questions.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Right, asking really stupid questions is not actually the way
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of anything. Yeah, you know
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: my own shirts and Egyptian planes and I don't know
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: French and Masade agents and just it's stupid. It is stupidity.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And if you're falling for it, I urge you to
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: get help, talk to somebody, Go to people you care
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: about and say, I've been following Candace Owens, and she says,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and see what they say about it. If they really
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: care about you, they're going to try to talk you
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: down from it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Well, and as Erica notes, and I think she's right.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: She says, she follows Charlie's rule on this by not
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: always answering each charge and I think that's probably the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: correct spiritual decision for her that she doesn't have to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: get She's been admirably above the fray this entire time,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: whether the left or the former friends of the Right
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: are talking about her, I think she's done the right thing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: So she talks about that, but she also noted what
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: she wants is justice, and one way to achieve that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: is not to taint the jury pool with a giant
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory flood that makes it harder to get justice.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So I pray for her just in her daily life
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and everything she's doing, and we will always be on
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Wido defense hear it normally.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays
• 26:47
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• 26:51
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• 26:54
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• 26:57
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• 26:58
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• 27:01
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• 27:05
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