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The Kenny Report | 24 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Rogue Senator Lydia Thorpe confuses herself and disappoints the nation
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  Speaker 2: by vowing to stick around. Tim MP Allegora Spender confirms
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  Speaker 2: she's met and had calls with Simon Holmes at court,
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  Speaker 2: the man behind Climate two hundred, which donated more than
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars to her campaign in the US.
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris calls Donald Trump a fascist. As the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: attacks fire up. I'll check in on the Pacific Islands
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  Speaker 2: and their climate critique of Australia, the Queensland election, Tim
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  Speaker 2: and Mark on the panel, and Alexander Downer on foreign affairs.
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  Speaker 1: To bring it home, let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the world and the country are going nuts, and
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  Speaker 2: so many people are running from reality and the truth.
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  Speaker 2: I could fill the whole hour with examples of this
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  Speaker 2: nonsense and hypocrisy, but let me run through a few
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  Speaker 2: at the top of the program tonight. Let's start with
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  Speaker 2: Senator Lydia Thorpe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know we've.
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  Speaker 2: Already heard too much from her, and we've spoken too
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  Speaker 2: much about her, But when it comes to whether or
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  Speaker 2: not she remains in the Senate whether or not she
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  Speaker 2: made her oath of allegiance properly or whether she has
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  Speaker 2: broken it. This is important stuff and I'll show you
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  Speaker 2: all the bizarre and relevant comments tonight. Yesterday, with calls
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  Speaker 2: for her to resign from Parliament resounding around the country,
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  Speaker 2: Thorpe told the ABC she hadn't really made.
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  Speaker 1: The oath back in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember doing that, and I swear allegiance to
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  Speaker 3: the Queen's hairs if you listen close enough, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: her heirs.
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  Speaker 4: It was her hairs that I was giving my allegiance to.
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  Speaker 3: And now that you know they're not no longer here,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where that stands.
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  Speaker 4: But significance enough my job. I'm not resigning.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty embarrassing stuff, isn't it. She's like a toddler closing
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  Speaker 2: her eyes and covering her ears and screaming.
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  Speaker 1: But sure enough she did say hairs, true.
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  Speaker 3: Allegiance to her Majesty, Queen wisom at the second heir,
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  Speaker 3: hairs and successes according.
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  Speaker 1: To law I reckon.
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  Speaker 2: Most of us would put that down to mispronunciation, but
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  Speaker 2: not content with this idiocy. Thorpe also objected to the
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  Speaker 2: whole practice.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not an expert on the colonial laws. The only
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  Speaker 4: experience I've had with colonial laws is a.
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  Speaker 3: Violence of them, and the violence of pledging allegiance to
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  Speaker 3: the oppressor is absolutely out of date and absolutely a
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  Speaker 3: discussing thing to make someone do.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, there's an easy way to fix all this.
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  Speaker 2: If she hates the system so much, quit Parliament and
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  Speaker 2: give up the pay and perks worth upwards of three
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year, and there are plenty of
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  Speaker 2: people gunning for her. Pauline Hansen told us last night
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  Speaker 2: that she's keen to get rid of Thorpe from the Senate.
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually going to chase up and refer her to
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  Speaker 5: the High Court. I'm going to look at this procedure.
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  Speaker 5: She admits that she never gave the oath of allegiance,
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  Speaker 5: which he should under Section forty two of the Extrained Constitution.
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  Speaker 6: If not, we.
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  Speaker 5: Refer her under the News laws passed by the privileges.
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  Speaker 2: And coalition MPs have been calling for a close look
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  Speaker 2: at whether Thorpe could be expelled. Perhaps it was fear
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  Speaker 2: of losing her pay, platform and privileges for the next
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  Speaker 2: three and a half years who knows, but something prompted
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  Speaker 2: the senator to change her tune entirely when she appeared
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  Speaker 2: on Sky News this morning.
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  Speaker 7: Now, forgive me for not being.
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  Speaker 8: My English grammar isn't as good as others, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Spoke what I read, so I misspoke.
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  Speaker 8: And to have this country question or particularly you know,
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  Speaker 8: people like Dutton and other senators from his party. For
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  Speaker 8: them to question my legitimacy in this job is an insult.
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  Speaker 8: And they can't get rid of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for once in her life, it seems Thorpe
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  Speaker 2: might be correct.
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  Speaker 1: They probably can't get rid of her. The nation is
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  Speaker 1: stuck with her.
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  Speaker 2: We we just have to wait for her term to
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  Speaker 2: expire in three and a half years time. Wouldn't it
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  Speaker 2: be nice if we could ignore her until then? Next,
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  Speaker 2: let's get back to accountability and transparency when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the tills Climate two hundred and Simon Holmes A Court.
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  Speaker 2: I went through this yesterday because the Teal MP for
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  Speaker 2: Wentworth Alegra Spencer admitted that she'd lobbied the Australian Financial
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  Speaker 2: Review trying to convince them not to list the founder
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  Speaker 2: and convener of Climate two hundred, Simon Holmes A Court
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  Speaker 2: as one of the most covertly powerful people in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Climate two hundred is Spender's biggest donor, contributing more than
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars to her campaign, but Spender wanted
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  Speaker 2: the man behind Climate two hundred to remain out of
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  Speaker 2: the limelight for his power in politics, not to be
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  Speaker 2: highlighted by the AFR.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as I said last night, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is pretty hypocritical from the Teals because they claimed to
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  Speaker 2: stand for transparency and integrity in politics, but they've worked
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  Speaker 2: behind the scenes to try to hide the influence of
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  Speaker 2: homes A Court and Climate two hundred, their biggest financial
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  Speaker 2: backer and strategic advisor. Anyway, imagine my surprise when I
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  Speaker 2: was sitting at home last night and received a text from.
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  Speaker 1: Simon Holmes A Court.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was possible, he said, But you
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  Speaker 2: out grubbed yourself tonight, Chris. Yeah, apparently it's grubby to
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  Speaker 2: report the facts.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Holmes a Court to point.
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  Speaker 2: Out any errors in what I had to say, and
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  Speaker 2: eventually the best he came up with was that I
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  Speaker 2: called the Climate two hundred organization a renewable energy advocacy
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  Speaker 2: group where it's well to be fair it's not entirely.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's into other stuff as well, but its
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  Speaker 2: main focus is climate action, and the main action it
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  Speaker 2: promotes is renewable energy. You can see that from the
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  Speaker 2: videos on its website.
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  Speaker 9: If you want leaders who'll tackle climate change and help
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  Speaker 9: us become a clean tech superpower, then join the thousands
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  Speaker 9: of ozsi's helping to get climate focused independence elected to Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a clean tech superpower. Given homes a Court rejects nuclear,
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  Speaker 2: that means renewables. His other complaint was that I implied he
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  Speaker 2: directs the tills.
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  Speaker 1: But I tend to call the spade a spade.
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  Speaker 2: And if I wanted to say he directs them, I
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  Speaker 2: would have said so.
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  Speaker 1: But let's be.
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  Speaker 2: Very direct about homes A Court and the tills and
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  Speaker 2: Climate two hundred. He started Climate two hundred. It's his baby,
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  Speaker 2: and he's prominent on their website still as the founder
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  Speaker 2: and convena. The website also plays down homes of Court's funding,
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  Speaker 2: with a page dedicated to showing he's donated just two
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  Speaker 2: percent of their funds and noting that he draws no salary. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he hardly needs a salary, As I said, he inherited
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  Speaker 2: a fortune homes of Court texts me last night that
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  Speaker 2: he and his wife have tipped in two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars out of total Climate two hundred funds
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  Speaker 2: of thirteen million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty big political war chest.
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  Speaker 2: And what do they do for those chosen independent or
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  Speaker 2: TILL candidates with all that money?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the site lists that and they say they.
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  Speaker 2: Provide strategic communications analytics, which I guess is polling and research.
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  Speaker 2: They also provide campaign engagement, helping these people to run
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  Speaker 2: their election campaigns. And they provide direct funding. Yep, just
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  Speaker 2: as I said last night, it's quite an operation. They're
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  Speaker 2: the biggest funders of the tills, and the tills get
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  Speaker 2: all that support, and of course they only get that
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  Speaker 2: support if they match the Climate two hundred agenda mainly
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  Speaker 2: climate action, oh and integrity. And the website proudly trumpets
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  Speaker 2: the success of the tilS that it's backed, including of
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  Speaker 2: course Allegra Spender, Zoey Daniels, Monique Ryan and the whole game.
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  Speaker 2: They really do look like a political party, don't they,
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  Speaker 2: But they say they're not. Of course anyway, that's how
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  Speaker 2: it works. That's Simon Holmes, a Court's role, and he's
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  Speaker 2: looking to expand it.
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  Speaker 10: This community dependent movement, it's got legs. Wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 10: if there are many more next time, and Climate two
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  Speaker 10: hundred will be there to help them.
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  Speaker 2: And despite all this, both Allegra Spender and Zoe Daniels
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  Speaker 2: privately lobbied the Australian Financial Review to remove Homes a
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  Speaker 2: Court from their covert power list. It seems to be
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  Speaker 2: a case of attempting to use covert power to keep
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  Speaker 2: covert power covert. But wait, there's more. Have a listened
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  Speaker 2: to Spender this morning how often.
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  Speaker 11: You talk to Simon Holmes a Court for example, and
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  Speaker 11: how dependent you are on him given that he did donate.
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  Speaker 5: Seven hundred thousand dollars to your campaign.
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  Speaker 11: So the Climate two hundred, which had donated, as he said,
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  Speaker 11: seven hundred thousand dollars to that campaign, there are eleven
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  Speaker 11: thousand donuts to to Climate two hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, lots of donors, we know. But she went
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  Speaker 2: on and she didn't answer the question. It took Laura
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  Speaker 2: a couple more goes.
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  Speaker 11: I think I had seen Simon homes of Court. I
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  Speaker 11: think I may have met with him once the entire
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  Speaker 11: time since I've been elected.
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  Speaker 12: Really really this met with him, you know.
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  Speaker 1: On the phone.
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  Speaker 12: I don't.
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  Speaker 11: Maybe I've spoken to him like maybe two or three
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  Speaker 11: times the entire time I have been elected. So I
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  Speaker 11: just think that the sense of power is this is
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think this is the media running a
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  Speaker 11: story and you know, I think certainly the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 11: running a story on this.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't talk to him on the phone, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't hang on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe sometimes really Homes of Court is in touch
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  Speaker 2: with her and this story apparently is some sort of
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  Speaker 2: attack on theis well. No, it's a report of facts
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  Speaker 2: of what has happened the tier MPs alegra Spender and
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  Speaker 2: Zoe Daniel tried to get Homes of Court off the
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  Speaker 2: list of.
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  Speaker 1: Covert political power brokers.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Holmes a Court whether he asked them to
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  Speaker 2: make that approach, and he told me no.
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  Speaker 1: Still I reckon the.
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  Speaker 2: Australian Financial Review might have blown Homes of courts cover.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you think next year they might have to drop
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  Speaker 2: him from their covert power list and just stick him
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  Speaker 2: on the overt one. At least that's a win for transparency.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go now to the Pacific, where Prime Minister Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanizi has arrived in Samoa for the Commonwealth Heads of
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  Speaker 2: Government meeting and we all know what Australia will cop
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  Speaker 2: at this meeting. As usual, especially from the Pacific nations,
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  Speaker 2: there'll be a big focus on climate change as an
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  Speaker 2: as extential threat. It's already started in the Chogham videos.
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  Speaker 7: One of the things, of course they have to recognize
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  Speaker 7: is so that this triple planetary crisis that we have
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  Speaker 7: key climate change bladoverstylas and pollution.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt Australia will be portrayed as some sort of
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  Speaker 2: climate ogre rather than China or India or Indonesia. And
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  Speaker 2: true to form, the Albanezi government is already apologizing for
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  Speaker 2: us and taking the chance to stick it to their
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  Speaker 2: political opponents.
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  Speaker 13: All the public statements we have made. I think we
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  Speaker 13: all understand the existential threat that climate change poses to
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  Speaker 13: the peoples of the Pacific. I think we all understand
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  Speaker 13: the effects of climate change in Australia which we have seen.
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  Speaker 13: You know, we're not the government like mister Abbott's and
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  Speaker 13: mister Morrison's or that.
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  Speaker 6: Mister or that has the views.
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  Speaker 13: Mister Dubbin has demonstrated where the science of climate change
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  Speaker 13: isn't accepted and the experience of specific peace peoples is diminished.
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  Speaker 13: To remember him call saying talking about making jokes about
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  Speaker 13: water lapping at the door. So we understand the extent
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  Speaker 13: of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can all see where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen this movie before, so I thought it might
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  Speaker 2: be worthwhile sharing some facts about how Pacific nations generate
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  Speaker 2: their electricity. I mean, we know that scientifically, whatever Australia
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  Speaker 2: does with our one percent of global emissions, it won't
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  Speaker 2: change the climate one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: But we get attacked regardless.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess, no matter how tiny the Pacific nations
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  Speaker 2: emissions are, they should be reducing them too, right, So
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  Speaker 2: let's look at the host nation Samoa. It produces about
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent of its electricity from renewable sources and nearly
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  Speaker 2: seventy percent from fossil fuels. That's a higher share of
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  Speaker 2: fossil fuels than Australia, and in the island nation of
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  Speaker 2: Tonga it's much worse, only twelve percent solar and a
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  Speaker 2: eight percent fossil fuels. With its mountainous lands and hydro electricity,
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  Speaker 2: FIGI does a lot better, but still it's over forty
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  Speaker 2: percent fossil fuels, and that's just for electricity. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: it's much worse in nations like Solomon Islands and Ciribas,
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  Speaker 2: where they get all their electricity from fossil fuels one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent, So there's a big job to be done
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  Speaker 2: on energy transitions there. And in Papa New Guinea, by
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  Speaker 2: far the largest of the Pacific nations, three quarters of
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  Speaker 2: its electricity comes from oil and gas, with a little
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  Speaker 2: geothermal and hydro.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Before the Pacific Islands lecture us and demand reparations from us.
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  Speaker 2: They might want to lift their own game, and of
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  Speaker 2: course we'll be there to help them, no doubt. They'll
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  Speaker 2: tell us that renewables are difficult and impractical and expensive
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  Speaker 2: to establish, to which I would say, you don't say.
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  Speaker 2: Now to the United States, where people are already casting
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  Speaker 2: ballots at early voting, and there are only eleven days
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  Speaker 2: till election date, the Democrats are looking pretty worried because
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  Speaker 2: they've returned to their main theme, really their only theme
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  Speaker 2: of the past decade, again, putting aside any talk of
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  Speaker 2: policy or plans or their record. Once more, it's all
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  Speaker 2: about the evils of Donald Trump, as they fire up
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  Speaker 2: over a New York Times story reheating claims from Trump's
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  Speaker 2: former chief of staff that apparently he spoke positively about
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  Speaker 2: Adolph Hitler.
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  Speaker 14: So yesterday we learned that Donald Trump's former chief of staff,
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  Speaker 14: John Kelly, a retired four star general, confirmed that while
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  Speaker 14: Donald Trump was president, he said he wanted generals like
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  Speaker 14: Adolf Hitler.
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  Speaker 2: Had Look at that staged press conference there on the
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  Speaker 2: phony gravitas, dressing this up like some national emerging see
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  Speaker 2: when it's just the same old partisan attack.
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  Speaker 14: It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 14: would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for
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  Speaker 14: the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 14: of Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Really, with war in the Middle East, with Israel under
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  Speaker 2: sustained attack on numerous fronts, they want to go with this.
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  Speaker 14: Donald Trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable. So the bottom
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  Speaker 14: line is this, we know what Donald Trump wants. He
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  Speaker 14: wants unchecked power. The question in thirteen days will be
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  Speaker 14: what do the American people want?
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  Speaker 1: Look, this is politics.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, it's a tight race, and the Democrats have to
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  Speaker 2: try to energize their base to get them out to vote.
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  Speaker 1: But do they ever listen to themselves.
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  Speaker 12: Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 14: I do, Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 1: He's a fascist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually said that about her political opponent, about
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  Speaker 2: a man who has already served as president of the
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  Speaker 2: United States, and she's the current vice president and she
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  Speaker 2: wants to be the next president. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: this sort of hysteria will win crucial voters over I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to think not to me. It just shows that
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris will say and do anything if she thinks
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  Speaker 2: there's a political advantage. Let's go to Susan McDonald now
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  Speaker 2: joining me alive from Queensland, of course, from Ingham in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Susan. I've got to get
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  Speaker 2: onto the matters in your Senates, in that wonderful Senate where,
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  Speaker 2: of course we have all these esteemed senators from around
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  Speaker 2: the nation, and we have Lydia Thorpe as well. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think she's in any strife? Do you think any
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  Speaker 2: legal challenge to her position viable? Or do we just
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  Speaker 2: have to wait for her to serve out her term.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Chris, I should start by saying, this is what
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  Speaker 7: you get when you vote for the Greens. It was
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  Speaker 7: the Greens who delivered us, Lydia thought to the Senate,
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  Speaker 7: to the Australian Senate, and what an embarrassment that has been.
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  Speaker 7: I think the legal angle is interesting, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: I don't see how there is a moral ground for
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  Speaker 7: taking nearly a quarter of a million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 7: But having we've already got rid of the having to
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  Speaker 7: swear allegiance to God, she doesn't apparently swear allegiance to
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  Speaker 7: the King.
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  Speaker 1: Who's left?
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  Speaker 7: Does she support Australia is not Australian either. I think
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  Speaker 7: she has been. She's embarrassed Australia, and I think she
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  Speaker 7: should be standing down purely on the moral grounds that
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  Speaker 7: she doesn't back the Senate, she doesn't back the job
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  Speaker 7: she does, and she certainly shouldn't be taking the money
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  Speaker 7: that she's getting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the height of hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've had a bunch of governor generals, including
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  Speaker 2: the current one, who are Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: But they're happy to at least a buyd by the.
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  Speaker 2: System that's in place for now, I suppose. But Lydia
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  Speaker 2: Thorpe just defies it. She says it's illegitimate, yet she's
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  Speaker 2: happy to take them. We'll see what happens. But I
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  Speaker 2: suspect nothing's going to happen. I want to get to
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  Speaker 2: the Queensland election. It's obviously very tight, but there's this
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary push from labor now to try almost really copying
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: American politics and making abortion an issue. There are a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: campaign signage Paul Signy saying a vote for the MP
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  Speaker 2: is a vote to make abortion a crime. I think
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  Speaker 2: we can show these up now, A vote to make
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  Speaker 2: abortion a crime. This is pretty ugly politics, is it
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  Speaker 2: coming through? Well?
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  Speaker 7: It's outrageous, isn't it. And it's a distraction. It's trying
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  Speaker 7: to stop what Queenslanders are saying. They are worried about
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  Speaker 7: crimeorried about their car being stolen, not being able to
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  Speaker 7: get to work or the kids to school, about waking
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: up with somebody in their homes. They're worried about whether
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: or not they will die in an ambulance ramped on
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: the steps of the hospital. They're worried about the outrageous
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: wastage of money. Queenslanders will be spending seven billion dollars
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: a year on interest repayments by the end of this term.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: You know, this is what Queenslanders are worried about and
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: labor is doing everything they can in partnership with the
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: cat As, I have to say, have demonstrated that they
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: have their preferencing labor to go back into government. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: you know, I think this is shocking. It's a real
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: sell out of Queenslanders by trying to distract and divert
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: attention from their failures. That's why they want to talk
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: about a new issue.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Well, it could work.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's a very emotive issue and as one that's very
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: important to a lot of people. I've just got to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: put up a headline here though, because your own federal
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: colleague is Senaton just into an Amberjimba Price.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: She's actually thrown full onto this.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Fire earlier in the week talking about the need to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: have new laws when it comes to abortion.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And this is not a federal issue.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: It's all about state governments and it's also about conscience votes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So do you think that's the wrong move for the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: federal politicians to be buying in?
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Well, it is a state issue. It has to be
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: resolved by the states. And I think, to be absolutely clear,
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: Queenslanders across the state when I talk to them, whether
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: it be here in Ingham, in North Queensland or right
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: across the state. They're telling me that crime is what
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: they're worried about. They're telling me about health services, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: not one has raised abortion laws as something that they
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: want to talk about. So I think this is an
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: incredible distraction by Labor and the CATA parties to try
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: and divert attention from their terrible failures. And what I'm
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: saying to Queenslanders if they want change, they have to
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: vote for change. They have to vote for change, whether
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: it be today, tomorrow or Saturday. Vote for change because
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: that's the only thing that'll set off the mess that
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Queensland is in. Thanks to Labor.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Susan, I appreciate it. Susan McDonald there,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: who's the Shadow Resources minister joining us there? Live from
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Ingham in Queensland. Off to the polls on Saturday. As
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you know, people voting already got to.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Take a break.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: On the other side, Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair, they
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: always sort out the problems of the world about talk
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: about calls for a yet another public holiday in Victoria.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Plus a museum wants to remember the climate protesting vandals. Okay,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I lamented at the top of the show that the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: world's gone a bit crazy.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Let's sort it out now.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph that
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studio.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: To you guys now, Mark, presumably you went to work
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: today and you Tim, Presumably you guys work today. Occasionally
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: people in Victoria do go to work, don't you?
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: You add a.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Public holiday now for the Grand Final. I was down
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: there for that a couple of weeks ago. That was
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: a new public holiday added in by Daniel Andrew and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: now just into Alan wants to add in another one
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: for treaty or for indigenous purposes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Mark, what's going on?
• 23:09
  Speaker 16: I know it's ridiculous, but I nearly had a heart
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: attack when I saw the news that there was even
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: getting floated, not just from my own business and what
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: we've got to pay out, but just for the Victorian debt.
• 23:18
  Speaker 16: We can't lose that much productivity, but to celebrate indigenous culture,
• 23:23
  Speaker 16: like I can already tell you most of my boys
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: what they're going to do is they're going to go
• 23:26
  Speaker 16: down to the park and get drunk, like most Australians
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: on a public holiday. I think that there'd be a
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: much better, more appropriate, less racist way to celebrate Indigenous
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: culture than that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at just Cinder Allen. Here's
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: what she's had to say about it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: There's also the suggestion of a new public holiday in Victoria,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: which could mark the day a treaty is signed.
• 23:49
  Speaker 13: Treaty is not just about our people, it's about all
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: people that live here on our country.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's not the hard left Victorian premier. That's an ABC explainer,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: same thing, Tim.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: The thing is here and so many public holidays in Victoria.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Soon the calendar will just mark the working days in Victoria.
• 24:08
  Speaker 17: Absolutely. Well, you know, here's the way that maybe we
• 24:10
  Speaker 17: can Victorian's can have another public holiday without going through,
• 24:14
  Speaker 17: as Mark says, going through the financial and social sort
• 24:17
  Speaker 17: of difficulties involved. Just declare, reprospectively declare all the days
• 24:23
  Speaker 17: that Victoria lost during the lockdowns as pre public holidays,
• 24:27
  Speaker 17: and then just just just just back to them into
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: it going forward. And you're basically right, because as we
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: all remember, Victoria had a public holiday for a year
• 24:36
  Speaker 17: and a half or something ridiculous. So well let's let's uh,
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: let's just score the score those up and then when
• 24:41
  Speaker 17: that period run out, then look at look at the
• 24:43
  Speaker 17: next step.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, it's a good way to live.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: The one catches.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Somebody has to pay for all this. Somebody as and Mark,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: as an employer, you're in the frame as well. You're
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in the frame to actually pay for them. I want
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to I want to go to the US politics, where everything
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: is a lot more sensible.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at the New.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: York Times and their latest headline, and they've rehashed a story,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: certainly with a credible figure, with a former chief of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: staff to Donald Trump, John Kelly, again saying that he's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a dictator and suggesting that he has said positive things
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in the past about Adolf Hitler, and the Democrats are
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: right onto this.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: He is the vice president today.
• 25:25
  Speaker 14: It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
• 25:30
  Speaker 14: would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for
• 25:35
  Speaker 14: the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of thousands
• 25:40
  Speaker 14: of Americans.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as the old adage mark to whoever first invokes
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Hitler sort of uses the argument, but they're actually saying, now,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Adolf Hitler Donald Trump.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Same thing.
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Yeah, you can just smell the desperation now you
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: can even actually see it on her face there as well.
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: She's terrified. They're absolutely rattled.
• 26:01
  Speaker 16: But you're right, is this this is a classic out
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: of the playbook for the left, that's it. But once
• 26:05
  Speaker 16: you throw out Hitler, they think that's the Trump card
• 26:08
  Speaker 16: that's going to win them everything.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: But it's not.
• 26:10
  Speaker 16: I think people don't understand that Trump supporters don't care
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: what Trump says.
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: They care about what he stands for.
• 26:17
  Speaker 16: The only people that care about the exact words that
• 26:19
  Speaker 16: Trump uses or what he said and all that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: Sort of stuff.
• 26:21
  Speaker 16: And Democrats they're the only ones that care. Like most people,
• 26:24
  Speaker 16: just they want Trump to be undisciplined, say ridiculous things,
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: his anti establishment, all that sort of stuff.
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: That's what they like about him. So really, all she's
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: done is just put.
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: A spotlight on one of the reasons why that Trump
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: supporters love him so much.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: What confounds me, Tim is, you know, they've been unsuccessful
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: really in killing Trump off for.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The last decade.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yet right when it's getting close and the.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Poles are narrowing on the eve of the pole, so
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what strategy do they go to.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: They go to the same strategy they've used for the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: last ten years. And that is demonized Donald. Have a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: look at this little excerpt from a from a town
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: hall with Anderson Cooper from CE and and she's she's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: just out with it here.
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I do, Yes, I do.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, He's a fascist, tim even though he's been president
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: before and he's running in an election to be president again.
• 27:20
  Speaker 17: Absolutely. Remember a few weeks ago, really a few months
• 27:25
  Speaker 17: ago maybe, when when Kamala Harris was selling joy as
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: the message of her campaign. Where's the joy in the meantime?
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: You've got You've got You've got Donald Trump smiling and
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: laughing and interacting with people as he hands out burgers
• 27:38
  Speaker 17: and McDonald's, and they're all like, they're mckitler Burger's, you
• 27:41
  Speaker 17: fascist monster.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: The joy?
• 27:44
  Speaker 17: And when you lose the joy in American politics, you
• 27:47
  Speaker 17: might be losing the race.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: They want to kill Trump and kill Ronald McDonald and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that's how.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They're going to bring joy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 17: They brought Grimace instead of their old crew.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Would you like Grimace with that?
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show another clip of Kamala Harris. Sorry
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to do that to everybody at home, but I think
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you're going to enjoy this clip. This is quite extraordinary.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: She set down for an interview and she's pressed, of course,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: on how bad Joe Biden was. You know, how these
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: faculties were not up to the job of being president.
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: Have a look, Joe Biden is an extremely accomplished, experienced
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: and capable in every way that anyone would want if
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: they're president.
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: You never saw.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: Anything like what happened at the debate night behind closed
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: doors with him.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: It was a bad debate.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: People have bad debates.
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: He is absolutely that's the reason why you're here.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: And he's not running for the top of the ticket.
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: Well, you'd have to ask him if that's the.
• 28:54
  Speaker 13: Only reason why he's doing so.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Weld Jim, she should pull out of the race and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: let him recontest.
• 29:03
  Speaker 17: There's a whole lot just happening in a very short
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: time in that clip. Wasn't here for a start. When
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: she was, when the Kamala was reeling off all the
• 29:10
  Speaker 17: reasons why Jel was so great, there wasn't a lot
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: of eye contact. She's like, well, you know, he's really great,
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: you know, totally honest about this, And then at the
• 29:19
  Speaker 17: end one you'd have to ask him about it. You know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 17: he's brain so scrabbed. He won't give you an answer,
• 29:23
  Speaker 17: so to hell with you. She's all over the show.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: She's so strategic, she's so clever Mark that when she's
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: telling everybody how brilliant the serving president is, she doesn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: even think that they might then ask her why he's
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: decided not to recontest.
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: He's but on mate, This is the thing. She's's noticed
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: this as well, with all her fracking stuff. All she's
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: doing is she's just she'll just say whatever they tell
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: her to say. But then what happens is someone asks
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: a very simple question and she's completely lost because she's
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: off the script. I just want to play a game
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: of poker with her, because that tale is so's She's
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: as transparent as glad rap.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It'll be beautiful. She looks.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: She needs an advisor to have a look at what's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: going on in Australia.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: She's got to learn how to play politics.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You just give out free bus rides, free lunches and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: public holidays.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: That's the way to get elected.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm actually going to undermine that theory because I
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: want to go and show just how stupid we are
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in this country. Let's have a look at what's happened
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in Western Australia. Here that first of all, a famous
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: painting at the Western Australian Art Gallery was attacked by
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: these climate activists. Luckily there's a piece of perspecs in
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: front of this famous mccovern painting and so their woodside
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: emblem only went onto the perspects and didn't damage the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: actual painting. But now the West Australian Museum has paid
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: we don't know who how much to get that bit
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of perspects.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And keep that as a bit of history.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: They want to immortalize the climate action vandals.
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: Tim Well, these people always consider art that which doesn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 17: offend them. I mean, I know the people always talking
• 31:08
  Speaker 17: about wanting edgy art and so on, and this would
• 31:10
  Speaker 17: fall into the edgy category. But let's say the WA
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: Museum's administrators work up tomorrow morning to find the driveways
• 31:17
  Speaker 17: outside their very impressive houses blocked with a four ton
• 31:21
  Speaker 17: statue of a vandal. You know, like, let's put let's
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: put them put it back on them and see they
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: like it. Because no one in Western Australia or Australia
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: likes this sort of vandalism stuff, and we hate it
• 31:34
  Speaker 17: even more. I guess when it's being rewarded and supported
• 31:37
  Speaker 17: in this sort of way.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be rewarded. Mark.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Perhaps the solution here is not to keep that perspects
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and put it on display at the West Australian Museum,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: but build a perspects box and put one of the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: protesters in there and just put them on display.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: Oh I like that, Chris, you're an artist. That's kidneys.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I'm a thinking man.
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: Ala Harris, the big brains.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: Ma.
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: I was going to go down and get one of
• 32:07
  Speaker 16: those big bags of vomit that they were using down
• 32:09
  Speaker 16: at at the protest just the other week here in
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: Melbourne and see if I can sell that to the
• 32:13
  Speaker 16: museum as well.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So that's all.
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: It's easy, just sure, just the activism they're trying to capitalize.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, some of the horse everything down there. Take
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: it to the West Australian Museum.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Pay for it. Thanks for joining us, guys.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Have a good obviously, another long weekend presumably in Victoria.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: We'll see you when you get back to work eventually.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Magnificent and Tim Blancher, both coming from the great state
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: of Victoria.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Now stick around because that's the break.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to catch up with Keith Pitt on the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Renewable Energy ruse why power bills won't be going down
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: anytime soon. Talked a lot about Australian politics and US
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: politics tonight, as we often do, and I've got to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: say the way the state election campaign in Queensland is
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: shaping up, they're are hints of the America organization of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Australian politics, especially the way that Labour has tried to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: weaponize the issue of abortion in this final week. Here's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: some of the exchange between the two leaders on the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Sky News leaders for him earlier in the week.
• 33:13
  Speaker 17: Do you believe in a woman's right to choose?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: I know, well it probably won't work for his TikTok.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: But yes, Oh that got you, didn't it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Queensland now and catch up with National
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: MP Formal Resources Minister Keith Pitt joining us from Bunderberg.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Keith, that this is pretty ugly politics, especially when Chris
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of fully says there will be no change under the law,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: especially of course, when all these issues are always decided
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: by conscience votes. Is this is an American wedge issue
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to try and frighten, especially female voters.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Of back to labor, Chris. It's even worse than that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: It's clearly a scare tactic.
• 34:00
  Speaker 18: And I've been on the pre pole here where the
• 34:02
  Speaker 18: Labor member for Bunderberg and this is exactly what I heard,
• 34:06
  Speaker 18: is saying things like don't let Bree Watson, our Liberal
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: National Party candidate for Bunderberg, jail women and girls for
• 34:13
  Speaker 18: having an abortion. I mean, it is disgraceful the idea
• 34:18
  Speaker 18: that this is even something that you would run as
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: a sloganeering campaign in an election, and you would pull
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: up a voter who you don't know their history, you
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: don't know what's happened to them personally, you don't know
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: how many tough decisions they might have had to make,
• 34:31
  Speaker 18: and to use it on the booth. I just think
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: it's been absolutely disgraceful in the last couple of weeks.
• 34:36
  Speaker 18: Something that is so personal and so sensitive. This is
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: Labor should hang their heads in shame. They should be
• 34:42
  Speaker 18: voted out, Chris.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But this is deliberate, this is organized. We can show
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you the posters that have been putting up at polling booth.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So to say a vote for LMP is a vote
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Abortion a crime.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: So this is very highly organized, very deliberate by Labor,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and they will be expecting and the ballot box, they
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: will expect that this works. We've seen the polls shift
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to Labor during the campaign. Are you worried about the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: impact of this?
• 35:10
  Speaker 18: Absolutely, Chris. And this is a very bad labor government.
• 35:13
  Speaker 18: Queensland needs a fresh start. The only way to do
• 35:16
  Speaker 18: that is to vote for the Liberal National Party. And
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: yet we see these scare campaigns trying to put second
• 35:21
  Speaker 18: thoughts into the minds of voters just as they walk
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: into the booth. I thought, what I saw pictures of
• 35:25
  Speaker 18: me as the devil In the last federal campaign. I'd
• 35:28
  Speaker 18: seen the worst of it, but this is much worse.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Chris. Why would you use something like this?
• 35:33
  Speaker 18: I know they're desperate, but it's just so low rent,
• 35:36
  Speaker 18: it's so very very ordinary.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It's such a poor reflection.
• 35:39
  Speaker 18: On Queensland Labor and I think they're local members they
• 35:42
  Speaker 18: really don't like this approach.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: All right, just very quickly, I want to get onto
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the economic debate. Costings are out today. Let's have a
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: look at what some of the leaders had to say.
• 35:52
  Speaker 19: Today is the day they have to outline where the
• 35:55
  Speaker 19: cuts will come from. The money has to come from somewhere.
• 35:59
  Speaker 19: They've tried their best to hide their cuts for as
• 36:02
  Speaker 19: long as they possibly can, but today is the day
• 36:06
  Speaker 19: they have to outline what they will cut.
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: I confirm the Liberal National Government will not be borrowing
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: to fundo election promises, thereby flattening Labour's debt trajectory.
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: Across the Fords, debt will be lower.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Under an LNP government.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, on Keith is on this Keith, this is
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: going to be a big issue and I'm as surely
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Labour is not going to be running on any agenda
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: of economic responsibility.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: That's just not going to fly right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 18: Well, Labour said out right that you'll have a debt
• 36:35
  Speaker 18: of one hundred and seventy billion dollars.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: They just they just borrow it at all.
• 36:39
  Speaker 18: But the Queensland on PA they've said that they won't
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: do the pump hydro on Central Coinsland that is over
• 36:43
  Speaker 18: ten billion dollars. Straight up, that's a pretty easy decision.
• 36:46
  Speaker 18: But you've got to get in and see the books.
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: We've seen it so many times Chris that I know
• 36:50
  Speaker 18: you have. What Labour poot forward is just never true,
• 36:53
  Speaker 18: It's never accurate, and things are always much much worse
• 36:56
  Speaker 18: when we get into government than we expected. David Jenski
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: will be a great Queensland treasure.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: They should be voted from them. Let's say he gets
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to find out. Thanks for joining us, Keith.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I appreciate a election of this Saturday, of course, all
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the coverage here on Sky News. Now I want to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: get back to energy and electricity and what I showed
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you yesterday. This amazing admission from the Australian Energy Market Operator.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 6: But you're saying you cannot guarantee that the current government
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: policy settings which you model will deliver lower power prices.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: No, yep, they can't guarantee lower prices. Let's catch up
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: now with Aden Morrison from the Center for Independent Studies.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: He's joining us live from Brisbane. Good to speak to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you again. Aiden. This was a staggering admission from a EMO.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: They're saying that they do make no effort to actually
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: model the end cost to consumers of electricity and they
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: can't say under the government's renewables only model whether or
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: not prices will actually go down.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Look, it's not staggering to me at all. Actually, I've
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: been watching this for quite a while, and it's been
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: very clear that in all the fine print, all the
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: effort that's been made to say something along the lines
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: of we've got the least cost system is also qualified
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: by certain words which say it's only the least cost
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: system that meets all of the government's policies that have
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: been overlaid onto it. And so they've gotten out there
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: they've pretty much said, we've optimized within the constraints of
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: assuming all the government policies are made and kept and
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: totally successful. So there's absolutely no guarantee this is the
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: least cost system we could have. Overall, there's certainly no
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: guarantee that the price is going to go down because
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: they haven't put all the costs in there. They have
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: simply not modeled all of the distribution network upgrade costs.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: They haven't modeled huge parts of the storage which can
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: be put onto consumers to buy their own storage systems
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: to firm the whole grid. So it was always very
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: clear that there was no way they could ever make
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: that claim, and if you look at the fine print,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: they've always had it out. They've always been very clear
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: about not saying that those would go down. It's just
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: remarkable how long they've been able to get away with
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: creating the impression that this is some sort of economic
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: and bill lowering nirvana. That's certainly not the case. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: anyone serious watching this has been familiar that for a
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: long time it does not look like a cheaper system
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: than the system we currently have at the moment.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been absolutely expert at calling that out,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: both in public comments like this, but also in detailed
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: submissions and papers. And this is the key point though,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: for the sake of this country, no one's been doing
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the work. We've been led to believe by the government
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: that don't you worry. You've got a email and you've
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: got this CSIRO and they're looking at all this. But
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: we're seeing that these bodies have been politicized and instead
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: of coming out publicly and saying no, we're only modeling
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: essentially the government's model, and we're not comparing eggs with eggs.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: We're not doing a rational analysis of all the options
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: on the table.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: They've just been going.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Along for the ride, So nobody has actually evaluated the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: best and most effective and cheapest option for this country.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: That's exactly right, And I think the degree to which
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: we've got the wrong impression about what the Integrated System
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: plan actually does is absolutely phenomenal, and it was clarified
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: in the Senate hearings yesterday. They were asked, so there's
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: no analysis of whether that's a good idea or not.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: And this has been reference to those government policies that
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: are basically incorporated as given inevitably the successful policies, right,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: And the answer was no, sorry, we don't analyze that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: So that tells you what you need to know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: It is just shameful and it's frightening for the future
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of this country. Thanks for joining us again, Aidan, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Adan Morrison there from the Center for Independent
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Studies will keep on this issue, don't you worry about that. Now,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: coming up after the break, I'm going to catch up
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: with a former foreign minister, Alexander Downer. We'll talk about
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the US election, the war in the Middle East, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: North Korean troops in Russia. Now, the US Secretary of
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: State Anthony Blincoln has been in Israel attempting to broke
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: us some kind of a peace deal, but Israel remains
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: under attack from Iran, BacT Hamas and Hezbollah. The world
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: of weights Israel's retaliation against Iran ATSFF. Of course, I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: asked former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer for his assessment of
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the situation.
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: Well, my advice to the Americans is, who do we
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: want to win this war?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: We want Israel to win it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 15: So the Israelis have got to pursue the tactics, the
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: military tactics that they think are going to be most
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: likely to work. I mean, the Americans have been telling
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: them to de escalate, to stop attacking Hamas in Gaza,
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: to stop us attacking Hasbalah, to go easy on the Iranians.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: It's all been bad advice.
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: The best advice we can give to the Israelis is
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: to take out their enemies and make sure that in
• 41:44
  Speaker 15: the future they can't be attacked and there's a system
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: of deterrence established. So in terms of Iranian targets, I
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: mean that the Israelis are going to have to work
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: out what the best targets are. I imagine they'll be
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: missile launching and missile storage sites and so on. Military targets,
• 42:03
  Speaker 15: of course, but the Americans shouldn't be trying to micromanage
• 42:08
  Speaker 15: a war that they are not directly fighting. They should
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: let the Israelis do that and make sure the Israelis win.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm still baffled.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: It still astonishes me daily that all we hear from
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the international community, including Australia and the US, of course,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: is for Israel to de escalate. Where are the calls
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: now to hum Us to say, hand over the hostages,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: surrender yourselves. You've lost your leadership, You can't win anything
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: out of this. The best thing for you and your
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: people is to surrender. Why don't we hear those calls?
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's incomprehensible, and I think, I'm sorry. I
• 42:48
  Speaker 15: think some of it is born of anti Israeli, even
• 42:52
  Speaker 15: anti Semitic sentiment. I mean, look, the bottom line here, Israel.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Has to win.
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: Its enemies have to surrender unconditionally and the hostages handed over.
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: Of course, the war will finish in ten minutes. If
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: the hostages are handed over and Hamas gives an undertaking
• 43:14
  Speaker 15: not to attack Israel any further, of course they won't
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: be fighting in Lebanon if Hezbala give a commitment not
• 43:21
  Speaker 15: to attack Israel anymore and unconditionally, if you like, surrender.
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: But you know, every major war we've been involved in
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: the Second World War, We didn't ask the Nazis or
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: tell our soldiers to de escalate, or ask the Nazis
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: to de escalate. We demanded surrender, unconditional surrender, and once
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: they surrendered, the war ended. So once Hamas surrender and
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: once they hand over the hostages, once hasbal surrender and
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: is An Iran given a commitment not to attack Israel anymore,
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: the war will be finished.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Spot on, Alexander.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: It's just tragic that we don't hear world leaders talking
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: in those terms. That's what we need, that support for
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that outcome and support for Israel getting to that outcome.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I want to go to another flashpoint we haven't focused
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: on enough, and.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: That of course is Ukraine.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: How disturbed should we be by this news that North
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Korean soldiers are in Ukraine, that the Russians are now
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: sending in North Korean soldiers.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: Well, I think we should be concerned on two fronts.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: First of all, it demonstrates that Russians are rarely struggling.
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: The Americans tell me that one hundred and twenty thousand
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: Russian soldiers have been killed one hundred and twenty thousand
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: in the Ukraine War since February twenty twenty two and
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: five hundred thousand wounded. I mean, it's a terrible toll
• 44:51
  Speaker 15: that Putin has imposed. Ultimately, he is imposed on his people.
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: So the reports are that something like ten to twelve
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: thousand North Korean troops have been recruited to help the Russians.
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: The problem with this is talking of escalation and de escalation.
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: They are escalating this war into something that is becoming,
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: if you like, an international war, and that is the
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: great fear that all of these wars will gradually come together,
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: you know, China versus Taiwan, the Iranians against the Israelis
• 45:28
  Speaker 15: using their proxies, and the Russians against the Ukrainians, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: they're all supporting each other. And this is a very
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: great danger, which does underline the really important need for
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: the Americans and their allies to provide truly effective deterrents
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: for all of those adversaries to understand if they keep
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: going this way, then terrible things will happen to them.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I think I should just correct myself on the lie
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I said those North Korean troops were in Ukraine.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: That's not the case.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: We know they're in Russia now, and there are fears
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that we used to supply run in Ukraine. Yeah, expected
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to be on their way to Ukraine, but no evidence
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: there there yet.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Just on that, talking.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: About the role the importance of American leadership, let's look
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: at the election that's just over a week away now,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris out today making very serious words of
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: concern to the nation about the about Trump and Mike
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Kelly's words again that he's a fascist and he likes Hitler.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, this seems like a very desperate ploy this
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: late in the campaign, doesn't it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 46:44
  Speaker 15: I mean, this does illustrate the closeness of the race
• 46:50
  Speaker 15: and the desperation as the race comes to an end.
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: I mean desperation on both sides. But I mean the
• 46:57
  Speaker 15: Democrats have been running this line Donald Trump is a
• 47:02
  Speaker 15: fascist and a Nazi and everything I'm under the sun.
• 47:06
  Speaker 15: I mean it's clearly on whatever you think of Donald Trump,
• 47:10
  Speaker 15: it's clearly completely absurd, completely absurd. And I've been in
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: America for the last few weeks. Obviously the American people
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: know it's just political rhetoricans a scare campaign. I don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: think it's helping them. I think the problem for Kamala
• 47:27
  Speaker 15: Harris's people think she doesn't have a clue about policy issues.
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: And whilst in my experience Americans don't much like Donald Trump,
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: and they certainly don't like the things we don't like
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: about him, they think on policy he's quite good, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: they prefer his economic policy and his security policy and
• 47:47
  Speaker 15: his international policies to Kamala Harris's so running this scare
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: campaign is all the Democrats have left. It may work,
• 47:58
  Speaker 15: but I'm not sure. I think it remains.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Neck and neck. Alexander Danna, thanks again for joining us.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. Chris.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating stuff. It is going down to the wire,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Let's have a look at some of your
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: feedback from what I had to say last night about
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the US campaign and Joe Biden calling for Donald Trump
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to be locked up no less. Lex says Joe is
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: the perfect representation of the current Democratic Party, unstable, disorganized,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: and incoheres. Bill says, no one of the joints a mess.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Look who's running the show. Another viewer says we're ready
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: to turn the page on the Democrats, And finally, Bob says,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: can someone please tell me why they're voting for this candidate?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It's beyond me to think Kamala Harris could be President
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: of the United States.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: We'll all know soon enough. Thanks for joining me, I'll
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: see you next week.