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- 0:00Speaker 1: Section fifty three of Discourses of Epictetus by Epictetus, translated
- 0:06Speaker 1: by George Long. This LibriVox recording is in the public domain.
- 0:10Speaker 1: Read by Christine Rucker, March second, twenty twenty two, Westford, Massachusetts,
- 0:16Speaker 1: Book two, Chapter twenty three, on the power of speaking.
- 0:21Speaker 1: Every man will read a book with more pleasure, or
- 0:24Speaker 1: even with more ease, if it is written in fairer characters. Therefore,
- 0:29Speaker 1: every man will also listen more readily to what is
- 0:32Speaker 1: spoken if it is signified by appropriate and becoming words.
- 0:36Speaker 1: We must not say then that there is no faculty
- 0:39Speaker 1: of expression, for this affirmation is the characteristic of an
- 0:43Speaker 1: impious and also of a timid man. Of an impious
- 0:47Speaker 1: man because he undervalues the gifts which come from God,
- 0:51Speaker 1: just as if he would take away the commodity of
- 0:54Speaker 1: the power of vision, or of hearing, or of seeing.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Has then God given you eyes to no ppse And
- 1:00Speaker 1: to no purpose has he infused into them a spirit
- 1:04Speaker 1: so strong and of such skillful contrivance as to reach
- 1:08Speaker 1: a long way and to fashion the forms of things
- 1:11Speaker 1: which are seen. What messenger is so swift and vigilant,
- 1:15Speaker 1: And to no purpose has he made the interjacent atmosphere
- 1:18Speaker 1: so efficacious and elastic that the vision penetrates through the atmosphere,
- 1:23Speaker 1: which is, in a manner moved. And to no purpose
- 1:27Speaker 1: has He made light without the presence of which there
- 1:29Speaker 1: would be no use in any other thing. Man be
- 1:33Speaker 1: neither ungrateful for these gifts, nor ye forget the things
- 1:37Speaker 1: which are superior to them, But indeed for the power
- 1:40Speaker 1: of seeing and hearing, and indeed for life itself, and
- 1:44Speaker 1: for the things which contribute to support it, for the
- 1:48Speaker 1: fruits which are dry, and for wine and oil. Give
- 1:51Speaker 1: thanks to God. But remember that He has given you
- 1:55Speaker 1: something else better than all these. I mean the power
- 1:59Speaker 1: of using them, proving them, and estimating the value of each.
- 2:04Speaker 1: For what is that which gives information about each of
- 2:07Speaker 1: these powers? What each of them is worth? Is it
- 2:10Speaker 1: each faculty itself? Did you ever hear the faculty of
- 2:14Speaker 1: vision saying anything about itself? Or the faculty of hearing,
- 2:18Speaker 1: or wheat or barley, or a horse or a dog? Null?
- 2:22Speaker 1: But they are appointed as ministers and slaves to serve
- 2:26Speaker 1: the faculty which has the power of making use of
- 2:29Speaker 1: the appearances of things. And if you inquire, what is
- 2:33Speaker 1: the value of each thing of whom do you inquire,
- 2:36Speaker 1: who answers you? How, then, can any other faculty be
- 2:40Speaker 1: more powerful than this, which uses the rest as ministers,
- 2:44Speaker 1: and itself proves each and pronounces about them. For which
- 2:48Speaker 1: of them knows what itself is and what is its
- 2:51Speaker 1: own value? Which of them knows when it ought to
- 2:55Speaker 1: employ itself? And when not? What faculty is it which
- 2:59Speaker 1: open and closes the eyes and turns them away from
- 3:03Speaker 1: objects to which it ought not to apply them, and
- 3:07Speaker 1: does not apply them to other objects? Is it the
- 3:10Speaker 1: faculty of vision? No, but it is the faculty of
- 3:14Speaker 1: the will? What is that faculty which closes and opens
- 3:18Speaker 1: the ears? What is that by which they are curious
- 3:21Speaker 1: and inquisitive, or, on the contrary, unmoved by what is said?
- 3:26Speaker 1: Is it the faculty of hearing? It is no other
- 3:29Speaker 1: than the faculty of the will? Will this faculty, then,
- 3:34Speaker 1: seeing that it is amidst all the other faculties, which
- 3:37Speaker 1: are blind and dumb and unable to see anything except
- 3:42Speaker 1: the very acts for which they are pointed, in order
- 3:45Speaker 1: to minister to this faculty and serve it. But this
- 3:49Speaker 1: faculty alone sees sharp and sees what is the value
- 3:53Speaker 1: of each of the rest? Will this faculty declare to
- 3:56Speaker 1: us that anything else is the best, or that it's is?
- 4:01Speaker 1: And what else does the eye do when is open? Then? See?
- 4:05Speaker 1: But whether we ought to look on the wife of
- 4:08Speaker 1: a certain person, and in what manner? Who tells us
- 4:12Speaker 1: the faculty of the will? And whether we ought to
- 4:15Speaker 1: believe what is said or not to believe it, And
- 4:18Speaker 1: if we do believe, whether we ought to be moved
- 4:21Speaker 1: by it or not? Who tells us? Is it not
- 4:25Speaker 1: the faculty of the will? But this faculty of speaking
- 4:29Speaker 1: and of ornamenting words? If there is indeed any such
- 4:33Speaker 1: peculiar faculty, What else does it do when there happens
- 4:37Speaker 1: to be discourse about a thing? Then to ornament the
- 4:41Speaker 1: words and arrange them as hairdressers do the hair. But
- 4:45Speaker 1: whether it is better to speak or to be silent,
- 4:48Speaker 1: and better to speak in this way or that way?
- 4:51Speaker 1: And whether this is becoming or not becoming? And the
- 4:54Speaker 1: season for each and the use? What else tells us?
- 4:58Speaker 1: Then the faculty of the will? Would you have it
- 5:01Speaker 1: then to come forward and condemn itself? What then it
- 5:06Speaker 1: the will says? If the fact is so, can that
- 5:10Speaker 1: which ministers be superior to that which it ministers? Can
- 5:14Speaker 1: the horse be superior to the rider, or the dog
- 5:18Speaker 1: to the huntsman, or the instrument to the musician, or
- 5:22Speaker 1: the servants to the king. What is that which makes
- 5:25Speaker 1: use of the rest the will? What takes care of
- 5:29Speaker 1: all the will? What destroys the whole man at one
- 5:33Speaker 1: time by hunger, at another time by hanging, and at
- 5:36Speaker 1: another time by a precipice? The will? Then? Is anything
- 5:41Speaker 1: stronger in men than this? And how is it possible
- 5:44Speaker 1: that the things which are subject to restraint are stronger
- 5:48Speaker 1: than that which is not what things are naturally formed
- 5:52Speaker 1: to hinder the faculty of vision, both will and things
- 5:56Speaker 1: which do not depend on the faculty of will. It
- 5:59Speaker 1: is what's the same with the faculty of hearing, with
- 6:02Speaker 1: the faculty of speaking in like manner, But what has
- 6:05Speaker 1: the natural power of hindering the will? Nothing which is
- 6:09Speaker 1: independent of the will, but only the will itself when
- 6:14Speaker 1: it is perverted. Therefore, this the will is alone vice
- 6:19Speaker 1: or alone virtue. Then, being so great a faculty, and
- 6:23Speaker 1: set over all the rest, let it the will come
- 6:27Speaker 1: forward and tell us that the most excellent of all
- 6:30Speaker 1: things is the flesh. Not even if the flesh itself
- 6:34Speaker 1: declared that it is the most excellent? Would any person
- 6:38Speaker 1: bear that it should say this? But what is it Epicurus,
- 6:42Speaker 1: which pronounces this, which wrote about the end purpose of
- 6:46Speaker 1: our being, which wrote on the nature of things, which
- 6:50Speaker 1: wrote about the canon rule of truth, which led you
- 6:53Speaker 1: to wear a beard, which wrote when it was dying,
- 6:57Speaker 1: that it was spending the last and a happy day?
- 7:00Speaker 1: Was this the flesh or the will? Then? Do you
- 7:04Speaker 1: admit that you possess anything superior to this the will?
- 7:08Speaker 1: And are you not mad? Are you, in fact so blind?
- 7:12Speaker 1: And death? What? Then, does any man despise the other faculties?
- 7:18Speaker 1: I hope not? Does any man say that there is
- 7:21Speaker 1: no use or excellence in the speaking faculty? I hope not.
- 7:26Speaker 1: That would be foolish, impious, ungrateful towards God. But a
- 7:30Speaker 1: man renders to each thing its due value. For there
- 7:34Speaker 1: is some use even in an ass, but not so
- 7:37Speaker 1: much as in an ox. There is also use in
- 7:41Speaker 1: a dog, but not so much as in a slave.
- 7:44Speaker 1: There is also some use in a slave, but not
- 7:47Speaker 1: so much as in citizens. There is also some use
- 7:51Speaker 1: in citizens, but not so much as in magistrates. Not. Indeed,
- 7:57Speaker 1: because some things are superior, must we under value the
- 8:00Speaker 1: use which other things have. There is a certain value
- 8:04Speaker 1: in the power of speaking, but it is not so
- 8:06Speaker 1: great as the power of the will when I speak. Thus,
- 8:09Speaker 1: let no man think that I ask you to neglect
- 8:12Speaker 1: the power of speaking, For neither do I ask you
- 8:15Speaker 1: to neglect the eyes, nor the ears, nor the hands,
- 8:18Speaker 1: nor the feet, nor clothing nor shoes. But if you
- 8:22Speaker 1: ask me, what, then is the most excellent of all things,
- 8:26Speaker 1: what must I say? I cannot say the power of speaking,
- 8:30Speaker 1: but the power of the will, when it is right
- 8:32Speaker 1: or fee For it is this which uses the other,
- 8:36Speaker 1: the power of speaking, and all the other faculties, both
- 8:40Speaker 1: small and great. For when this faculty of the will
- 8:44Speaker 1: is set right, a man who is not good becomes good,
- 8:48Speaker 1: but when it fails, a man becomes bad. It is
- 8:51Speaker 1: through this that we are unfortunate, that we are fortunate,
- 8:55Speaker 1: that we blame one another, are pleased with one another.
- 8:59Speaker 1: In a word, it is this which, if we neglect,
- 9:01Speaker 1: it makes unhappiness, and if we carefully look after, it
- 9:06Speaker 1: makes happiness. But to take away the faculty of speaking,
- 9:10Speaker 1: and to say that there is no such faculty in reality,
- 9:14Speaker 1: is the act not only of an ungrateful man towards
- 9:17Speaker 1: those who gave it, but also of a cowardly man,
- 9:21Speaker 1: For such a person seems to me to fear if
- 9:23Speaker 1: there is any faculty of this kind, that we shall
- 9:26Speaker 1: not be able to despise it. Such also are those
- 9:31Speaker 1: who say that there is no difference between beauty and ugliness.
- 9:35Speaker 1: Then it would happen that a man would be affected
- 9:38Speaker 1: in the same way if he saw their cities, and
- 9:41Speaker 1: if he saw Achilles, in the same way if he
- 9:45Speaker 1: saw Helen and any other woman. But these are foolish
- 9:49Speaker 1: and clownish notions, and the notions of men who know
- 9:53Speaker 1: not the nature of each thing, but are afraid if
- 9:56Speaker 1: a man shall see the difference, that he shall immediately
- 9:59Speaker 1: be seized and carried off vanquished. But this is the
- 10:03Speaker 1: great matter, to leave each thing the power faculty which
- 10:07Speaker 1: it has, and leaving it to this power to see
- 10:10Speaker 1: what is the worth of the power, and to learn
- 10:12Speaker 1: what is the most excellent of all things, and to
- 10:15Speaker 1: pursue this. Always to be diligent about this, considering all
- 10:21Speaker 1: of the things of secondary value compared with this. But yet,
- 10:25Speaker 1: as far as we can not neglecting all those other things,
- 10:30Speaker 1: for we must take care of the eyes also, not
- 10:33Speaker 1: as if they were the most excellent thing. But we
- 10:35Speaker 1: must take care of them on account of the most
- 10:38Speaker 1: excellent thing, because it will not be in its true
- 10:41Speaker 1: natural condition if it does not rightly use the other
- 10:45Speaker 1: faculties and prefer some things to others. What then is
- 10:50Speaker 1: usually done? Men generally act as the traveler would do
- 10:54Speaker 1: on his way to his own country, when he enters
- 10:56Speaker 1: a good inn, and, being pleased with it, should remain there. Man,
- 11:01Speaker 1: have you forgotten your purpose? You are not traveling to
- 11:05Speaker 1: this inn, but you were passing through it. But this
- 11:08Speaker 1: is a pleasant in, And how many other inns are pleasant,
- 11:12Speaker 1: and how many meadows are pleasant, yet only for passing through.
- 11:17Speaker 1: But your purpose is this to return to your country,
- 11:20Speaker 1: to relieve your kinsmen of anxiety, to discharge the duties
- 11:24Speaker 1: of a citizen, to marry, to beget children, to fill
- 11:28Speaker 1: the usual magistracies. Where you are not come to select
- 11:32Speaker 1: more pleasant places, but to live in these where you
- 11:36Speaker 1: were born and of which you were made a citizen.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Something of the kind takes place in the matter which
- 11:42Speaker 1: we are considering. Since by the aid of speech and
- 11:46Speaker 1: such communication as you receive here, you must advance to
- 11:50Speaker 1: perfection and purge your will and correct the faculty which
- 11:54Speaker 1: makes use of the appearances of things, And since it
- 11:58Speaker 1: is necessary also for the tea delivery of theorems to
- 12:02Speaker 1: be affected by a certain mode of expression and with
- 12:06Speaker 1: a certain variety and sharpness, some persons captivated by these
- 12:11Speaker 1: things abide in them, one captivated by the expression, another
- 12:16Speaker 1: by syllogisms, another again by sulphisms, and still another by
- 12:21Speaker 1: some other in pante quieu of the kind. And there
- 12:25Speaker 1: they stay and waste away, as if they were among syriens. Man.
- 12:30Speaker 1: Your purpose business was to make yourself capable of using
- 12:34Speaker 1: conformably to nature the appearances presented to you in your desires,
- 12:39Speaker 1: not to be frustrated in your aversion from things, not
- 12:42Speaker 1: to fall into that which you would avoid, never to
- 12:46Speaker 1: have no luck, as one may say, nor ever to
- 12:49Speaker 1: have bad luck, to be free, not hindered, not compelled,
- 12:54Speaker 1: conforming yourself to the administration of Zeus, obeying it well,
- 12:58Speaker 1: satisfied with this blaming no one, charging no one with fault,
- 13:03Speaker 1: able from your whole soul to utter these verses lead
- 13:07Speaker 1: me o Zeus, and thou too destiny. Then, having this
- 13:12Speaker 1: purpose before you, if some little form of expression pleases you,
- 13:16Speaker 1: if some theorems please you, do you abide among them
- 13:19Speaker 1: and choose to dwell there forgetting the things at home?
- 13:23Speaker 1: And do you say these things are fine? Who says
- 13:26Speaker 1: they are not fine? But only as being away home?
- 13:30Speaker 1: As ends are? For what hinders you from being an
- 13:34Speaker 1: unfortunate man? Even if you speak like Demosthenes? And what
- 13:39Speaker 1: prevents you? If you can resolve syllogisms like Chrysippus, from
- 13:43Speaker 1: being wretched and from sorrowing, from envying, in a word,
- 13:48Speaker 1: from being disturbed, from being unhappy? Nothing, you see then
- 13:53Speaker 1: that these were ends worth nothing, and that the purpose
- 13:57Speaker 1: before you was something else. When I speak thus to
- 14:01Speaker 1: some persons, they think that I am rejecting care about speaking,
- 14:05Speaker 1: or care about theorems. But I am not rejecting his care.
- 14:09Speaker 1: But I am rejecting the abiding about these things incessantly
- 14:14Speaker 1: and putting our hopes in them. If a man, by
- 14:17Speaker 1: this teaching does harm to those who listen to him,
- 14:20Speaker 1: reckon me too among those who do this harm. For
- 14:25Speaker 1: I am not able when I see one thing which
- 14:28Speaker 1: is most excellent and supreme, to say that another is so,
- 14:33Speaker 1: in order to please you. End a Book two, Chapter
- 14:38Speaker 1: twenty three