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Fighting for Your Home: Eric G and Robert Thomas Chat Property Rights · Around the House with Eric G®: Home Improvement Remodeling & DIY

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Foreign.
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Ready
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to
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turn
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your
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house
1:00
into
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the
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home
1:00
you've
1:01
always
1:01
dreamed
1:02
of
1:02
without
1:02
the
1:02
headaches
1:03
or
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huge
1:03
bills.
1:04
You're
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tuned
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to
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around
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the
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House,
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the
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nation's
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number
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improvement
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show
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and
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podcast
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with
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expert
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advice
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that's
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helped
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millions
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tackle
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everything
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from
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remodels
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to
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repairs.
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Hosts
1:16
Eric
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G.
1:16
And
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John
1:17
Dudley
1:17
have
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got
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you
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covered
1:19
with
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the
1:19
best
1:19
advice
1:20
and
1:20
information
1:21
about
1:21
your
1:21
home.
1:22
Now
1:23
let's
1:23
get
1:23
this
1:24
hour
1:24
started.
1:26
Welcome
1:26
to
1:26
the
1:26
around
1:27
the
1:27
House
1:27
show,
1:27
your
1:27
trusted
1:28
source
1:28
for
1:28
everything
1:29
about
1:29
your
1:30
home.
1:30
Thanks
1:30
for
1:30
joining
1:31
me
1:31
today.
1:31
We've
1:31
got
1:31
a
1:32
fun
1:32
one
1:32
ahead.
1:33
We're
1:34
talking
1:34
here
1:34
with
1:35
Robert
1:35
Thomas
1:36
from
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the
1:36
Pacific
1:37
Legal
1:37
Foundation.
1:38
These
1:39
are
1:39
the
1:39
guys
1:39
that
1:39
help
1:40
you
1:40
protect
1:40
your
1:41
property
1:41
rights
1:42
and
1:42
everything
1:42
around
1:42
your
1:43
home
1:43
like
1:43
that.
1:43
Welcome
1:44
to
1:44
around
1:44
the
1:45
House,
1:45
Brother.
1:46
Thank
1:46
you
1:46
very
1:47
much,
1:47
Eric.
1:47
I
1:47
appreciate
1:48
it.
1:49
Thanks
1:49
for
1:49
coming
1:49
on
1:50
today,
1:50
man.
1:50
I
1:50
love
1:51
what
1:51
you
1:51
guys
1:51
are
1:51
doing.
1:52
And
1:52
I
1:52
just
1:53
found
1:53
you
1:53
guys
1:54
recently
1:54
because
1:54
it
1:54
popped
1:55
across
1:55
my
1:56
SO
1:56
social
1:56
media
1:57
feed
1:57
and
1:57
I
1:57
went,
1:58
oh,
1:58
more
1:59
people
1:59
fighting
1:59
for
2:00
the
2:00
little
2:00
guy.
2:01
And
2:01
so
2:01
of
2:02
course,
2:02
I
2:02
reached
2:02
out
2:02
and
2:02
said
2:03
I
2:03
want
2:03
to
2:03
have
2:03
you
2:03
guys
2:03
on
2:03
the
2:04
show
2:04
because
2:04
I
2:05
love
2:05
to
2:05
see
2:05
that
2:05
you're
2:06
helping
2:06
homeowners
2:07
and
2:07
other
2:07
people
2:08
out
2:08
there
2:08
as
2:08
well.
2:09
Wonderful.
2:10
That's
2:11
great
2:11
news.
2:11
And
2:12
we
2:13
not
2:13
long
2:14
ago,
2:14
we're
2:14
the
2:14
oldest
2:15
of
2:16
first
2:17
of
2:17
all,
2:17
let
2:17
me
2:17
go
2:17
back
2:17
and
2:18
say
2:18
that
2:19
our
2:19
primary
2:19
mission
2:19
is
2:20
to
2:20
represent
2:21
property
2:22
owners
2:22
and
2:22
others
2:23
for
2:24
free
2:24
in
2:25
court
2:26
to
2:26
test
2:26
cases
2:28
where
2:28
their
2:29
governments,
2:29
local
2:30
and
2:30
distant,
2:31
are
2:31
infringing
2:32
on
2:32
their
2:32
property
2:33
rights.
2:33
And
2:33
so
2:34
we've
2:35
been
2:35
around.
2:35
I'm
2:36
glad
2:36
you
2:36
found
2:36
us
2:37
recently,
2:37
but
2:37
I'll
2:38
say
2:38
that
2:38
we've
2:38
been
2:38
around
2:39
for
2:39
more
2:39
than
2:39
half
2:39
a
2:40
century
2:41
originating
2:42
down
2:42
here
2:42
in
2:43
California.
2:43
But
2:44
now
2:44
we
2:44
I
2:45
have
2:45
lawyers
2:45
in
2:46
my
2:46
property
2:46
rights
2:47
group
2:47
nationwide
2:48
from
2:48
coast
2:49
to
2:49
coast
2:50
and
2:50
from
2:51
time
2:51
to
2:51
time
2:51
beyond
2:52
coast
2:53
in
2:54
so
2:54
we've
2:54
had
2:54
cases
2:55
in
2:55
Puerto
2:55
Rico,
2:56
Alaska,
2:56
Hawaii,
2:57
other
2:57
places.
2:58
So
2:58
across
2:59
all
2:59
50
2:59
states
3:00
and
3:00
territories.
3:01
So
3:01
I'm
3:02
really
3:02
glad
3:02
you
3:02
found
3:03
us.
3:03
Yeah,
3:04
thanks,
3:04
man.
3:05
And
3:05
again,
3:06
I
3:06
think
3:06
it
3:06
might
3:06
have
3:06
been
3:07
the
3:07
one
3:07
of
3:07
the
3:07
things
3:07
I've
3:08
been
3:08
talking
3:08
about
3:08
on
3:08
the
3:08
radio
3:08
from
3:09
time
3:09
to
3:09
time
3:09
is
3:10
for
3:10
instance,
3:10
like
3:11
the
3:11
California
3:11
Coastal
3:12
Commission.
3:12
They're
3:13
legendary
3:13
and
3:14
in
3:14
kind
3:15
of
3:15
making
3:15
up
3:15
their
3:15
own
3:15
rules
3:16
and
3:16
going
3:16
along
3:16
the
3:16
way,
3:17
especially
3:17
right
3:17
now
3:18
with
3:18
I
3:19
got
3:19
a
3:19
buddy
3:19
that
3:19
was
3:20
an
3:20
architect
3:20
who
3:21
lost
3:21
his
3:22
he
3:22
was
3:22
in
3:22
one
3:22
of
3:22
the
3:22
mobile
3:23
homes
3:23
and
3:24
the
3:24
view
3:24
homes
3:24
in
3:25
the
3:25
Pacific
3:25
Palisades.
3:25
They're
3:26
looking
3:26
right
3:26
down
3:26
the
3:26
beach.
3:27
So
3:27
he's
3:28
got
3:28
years
3:29
ahead
3:29
before
3:29
they
3:30
even
3:30
think
3:30
of
3:30
putting
3:30
something
3:31
back
3:31
on
3:31
there,
3:31
if
3:32
they
3:32
do.
3:33
But
3:33
it's
3:33
been
3:34
fascinating
3:34
following
3:35
that
3:35
and
3:36
Everything
3:36
else
3:36
is
3:36
going
3:36
down
3:37
there,
3:37
or
3:37
quite
3:37
frankly,
3:38
what's
3:38
not
3:38
going
3:38
on
3:39
down
3:39
there.
3:40
It's
3:40
interesting
3:40
to.
3:41
For
3:42
us
3:42
here
3:42
in
3:42
California
3:43
to
3:44
see
3:45
how
3:46
the
3:46
coastal
3:46
commission,
3:47
statewide
3:48
agency
3:48
with
3:50
broad
3:50
jurisdiction
3:51
within
3:52
the
3:52
coastal
3:52
zone,
3:53
a
3:53
few
3:54
hundred
3:54
yards
3:54
inland
3:55
from
3:55
the
3:55
coast,
3:56
but
3:56
the
3:56
tentacles
3:57
reach
3:57
further,
3:58
which
3:58
we've
3:59
known
3:59
about
4:00
for
4:00
years
4:00
here
4:01
for
4:01
decades
4:02
and
4:02
have
4:02
considered
4:03
sort
4:03
of
4:04
one
4:04
of
4:04
the
4:05
biggest
4:07
offenders
4:07
when
4:08
it
4:08
comes
4:08
to
4:09
reasonable
4:10
exercise
4:11
of
4:11
our
4:11
property
4:12
rights.
4:13
How,
4:14
because
4:14
of
4:14
the
4:14
southern
4:15
California
4:15
fires
4:16
and
4:17
other
4:18
events
4:19
lately,
4:20
has
4:20
really
4:20
resonated,
4:21
and
4:21
now
4:22
people
4:22
outside
4:22
of
4:23
California
4:24
are
4:24
seeing.
4:24
Beginning
4:25
to
4:25
see
4:26
how
4:26
can
4:26
that
4:26
be?
4:27
Or
4:27
they're
4:27
beginning
4:28
to
4:28
ask
4:28
those
4:28
type
4:28
of
4:29
questions
4:29
that
4:29
we've
4:30
asked
4:30
and
4:30
challenged
4:31
for
4:31
many,
4:32
many
4:32
years.
4:32
One
4:32
of
4:33
the
4:33
very
4:33
first
4:33
cases
4:34
that
4:35
pacific
4:36
legal
4:36
foundation
4:37
won,
4:38
took
4:39
on
4:39
and
4:39
won
4:40
was
4:40
against
4:40
the
4:40
california
4:41
coastal
4:42
commission.
4:42
And
4:43
a
4:43
case
4:43
in
4:44
1987
4:45
that
4:45
went
4:45
up
4:45
from
4:45
southern
4:46
California,
4:47
went
4:47
up
4:47
to
4:47
the
4:48
u.
4:48
S.
4:48
Supreme
4:48
court,
4:49
and
4:49
the
4:49
u.
4:49
S.
4:49
Supreme
4:50
court
4:50
pretty
4:50
decisively
4:51
smacked
4:51
down
4:52
a
4:52
coastal
4:53
commission's
4:54
attempt
4:54
to
4:55
stretch
4:55
its
4:56
jurisdiction
4:57
and
4:58
use
4:58
its
4:58
power
4:59
to
4:59
force
4:59
homeowners
5:00
to
5:00
give
5:00
up
5:01
a
5:01
property
5:02
for
5:02
something
5:02
as
5:03
simple
5:03
as
5:03
the
5:03
condition.
5:04
As
5:05
a
5:05
condition
5:05
of
5:05
doing
5:06
something
5:06
as
5:06
simple,
5:06
straightforward,
5:07
and
5:07
simple
5:07
as,
5:08
oh,
5:09
I
5:09
want
5:09
to
5:10
tear
5:11
down
5:11
a
5:11
beach
5:11
bungalow
5:12
and
5:12
put
5:12
up
5:13
a
5:13
house.
5:13
In
5:14
a
5:14
case
5:14
called
5:14
nolan
5:14
against
5:15
california
5:15
commission,
5:16
coast.
5:16
California
5:17
coastal
5:17
commission
5:18
was
5:19
our
5:19
very
5:19
first
5:19
big
5:20
win.
5:20
And
5:20
so
5:20
that
5:21
agency
5:21
has
5:22
been
5:22
on
5:22
our
5:22
radar
5:22
since
5:23
at
5:23
least
5:23
1987.
5:25
And
5:25
it
5:25
is
5:26
very
5:26
interesting
5:27
to
5:27
us
5:27
that
5:27
the
5:28
excesses
5:28
of
5:29
that
5:29
agency
5:29
are
5:30
now
5:30
being
5:30
recognized
5:31
outside
5:32
of
5:33
the
5:33
golden
5:33
state.
5:35
Yeah,
5:35
yeah,
5:35
it's.
5:36
It's
5:37
crazy.
5:37
And
5:37
you're
5:37
right.
5:37
I've
5:38
been
5:38
following
5:38
that
5:38
coastal
5:39
commission
5:39
for
5:39
a
5:39
number
5:40
of
5:40
years,
5:40
just
5:40
kind
5:40
of
5:41
watching
5:41
stuff
5:41
because
5:41
you.
5:42
In.
5:42
In
5:42
my
5:43
business
5:43
and
5:43
remodeling
5:44
and
5:44
design,
5:45
you
5:45
kind
5:45
of
5:45
watch
5:45
that
5:46
stuff
5:46
and
5:46
see
5:46
how
5:46
it
5:47
goes.
5:47
And.
5:47
And
5:48
every
5:48
time,
5:49
I
5:49
mean,
5:49
even
5:49
the
5:49
latest
5:50
stuff
5:50
that
5:50
you
5:50
guys
5:50
have,
5:50
the
5:51
new
5:51
case
5:51
that
5:51
you
5:51
guys
5:51
have
5:51
been
5:52
working
5:52
on,
5:52
I
5:52
was
5:52
kind
5:52
of
5:52
reading
5:53
through
5:53
that
5:53
real
5:53
quick,
5:53
and
5:54
what
5:55
they're.
5:55
I
5:55
think
5:55
they're
5:55
asking
5:56
for
5:56
the
5:56
homeowner
5:57
to.
5:57
To
5:57
be
5:57
able
5:58
to
5:58
tear
5:58
their
5:58
house
5:58
down
5:59
at
5:59
a
5:59
moment's
5:59
notice
6:00
and
6:01
basically
6:01
give
6:01
their
6:02
rights
6:02
away
6:02
as
6:02
homeowners
6:03
just
6:03
to
6:03
get
6:04
approval
6:05
or
6:05
a
6:05
potential
6:05
approval
6:07
for
6:07
a
6:08
new
6:08
house.
6:08
Exactly.
6:09
And
6:10
again,
6:11
it's
6:11
one
6:11
of
6:11
those
6:11
things
6:11
that
6:12
until
6:12
you
6:12
see
6:12
it
6:13
almost
6:13
in
6:13
writing,
6:14
that
6:14
it's
6:14
kind
6:14
of
6:15
hard
6:15
to
6:15
believe
6:16
that
6:16
that
6:16
would
6:17
come
6:17
out
6:18
of
6:18
our
6:19
government,
6:19
our
6:21
government
6:21
that's
6:21
supposed
6:22
to
6:22
be
6:22
there,
6:22
chosen
6:23
by
6:23
us,
6:23
working
6:24
for
6:24
us.
6:25
I
6:25
mean,
6:25
if
6:25
you.
6:26
In
6:26
this
6:27
250th
6:29
birthday
6:29
of
6:29
the
6:30
United
6:30
States.
6:31
We
6:31
have
6:32
to
6:32
go
6:32
back
6:32
and
6:32
remember
6:33
that
6:33
if
6:34
we
6:34
ever
6:34
wondered
6:34
what,
6:35
what
6:35
the
6:35
whole
6:35
purpose
6:36
of
6:36
government
6:36
was,
6:36
well,
6:37
250
6:38
years
6:38
ago,
6:38
they
6:39
actually
6:39
wrote
6:39
it
6:39
down
6:40
in
6:41
a
6:41
document
6:41
and
6:41
said
6:41
the
6:41
whole
6:42
purpose
6:42
of
6:42
government
6:43
is
6:43
to
6:44
protect
6:44
people's
6:45
life,
6:45
liberty
6:46
and
6:46
property
6:47
and
6:47
their
6:47
pursuit
6:47
of
6:48
happiness.
6:49
So
6:49
government's
6:49
supposed
6:50
to
6:50
be
6:50
there
6:50
to
6:50
help
6:50
us.
6:51
But
6:51
it
6:51
does
6:51
seem
6:53
a
6:53
lot
6:53
these
6:53
days
6:54
that
6:55
governments
6:55
there
6:56
design.
6:57
Its
6:57
purpose
6:58
is
6:58
to
6:58
do
6:58
something
6:58
else
6:59
and
6:59
it
6:59
isn't
6:59
protect
7:00
us
7:00
exactly.
7:01
In
7:01
the
7:01
case
7:01
you
7:02
mentioned,
7:03
One
7:03
of
7:03
the
7:04
conditions
7:04
of,
7:04
okay,
7:05
we'll
7:05
give
7:05
you
7:05
permission
7:06
to
7:06
do
7:07
x,
7:07
y
7:07
and
7:07
z,
7:08
but
7:09
in
7:09
return
7:09
for
7:09
that,
7:10
you
7:10
have
7:10
to
7:10
agree
7:11
to
7:11
bind
7:11
yourself
7:12
and
7:12
future
7:13
owners
7:14
to
7:14
tear
7:14
down
7:15
your
7:15
house.
7:16
Excuse
7:16
me,
7:16
tear
7:17
out
7:17
that,
7:17
Tear
7:18
out
7:18
the
7:18
improvements
7:19
and
7:19
tear
7:19
down
7:19
your
7:19
house.
7:20
If
7:21
some
7:21
commission,
7:22
the
7:22
commission
7:22
in
7:23
the
7:23
future
7:23
thinks
7:23
you
7:23
should.
7:24
And
7:24
that,
7:24
that,
7:24
that
7:25
just
7:25
seems
7:25
insane
7:26
until
7:27
you
7:27
read
7:27
it
7:28
in
7:28
writing.
7:28
And
7:28
there
7:29
it
7:29
is,
7:29
plain
7:29
as
7:30
day.
7:30
Yeah.
7:31
And,
7:31
and
7:31
so
7:32
we're
7:32
taking
7:32
that
7:32
on
7:33
almost
7:34
right
7:35
after
7:35
we
7:36
closed
7:36
the
7:36
books
7:37
on
7:38
a
7:38
big
7:39
One
7:39
of
7:39
our
7:39
biggest
7:39
wins
7:40
in
7:40
decades
7:41
against
7:41
the
7:41
coastal
7:42
commission
7:43
in
7:43
of
7:43
all
7:44
places,
7:44
the
7:44
California
7:45
supreme
7:45
court.
7:45
We
7:46
did
7:46
not
7:46
have
7:46
to
7:46
go
7:46
to
7:47
the
7:47
u.
7:47
S.
7:47
Supreme
7:47
court
7:48
on
7:48
our
7:48
latest.
7:49
Wow.
7:49
But
7:50
just
7:50
last
7:50
month
7:51
beat
7:51
the
7:52
California
7:52
supreme
7:53
or
7:53
in
7:53
the
7:53
California
7:54
supreme
7:54
court
7:54
Ruled
7:55
for
7:55
us
7:56
unanimously.
7:57
A
7:57
small,
7:59
modest
7:59
little
7:59
home
8:00
builder
8:00
in
8:00
central
8:01
California
8:02
had
8:02
received
8:02
the
8:03
permission
8:04
from
8:04
the
8:04
county.
8:05
He
8:05
was
8:05
out.
8:05
He
8:06
wasn't
8:06
in
8:06
the.
8:06
In
8:06
inside
8:07
any
8:07
city.
8:07
So
8:08
he
8:08
looked
8:08
for
8:08
permissions
8:09
like
8:09
you
8:09
do
8:09
in
8:10
unincorporated
8:11
areas,
8:11
Looked
8:12
for
8:12
approvals
8:14
from
8:14
the
8:15
county
8:15
and
8:15
the
8:15
county,
8:16
which
8:16
had
8:16
a
8:16
long
8:17
history
8:17
with
8:17
this
8:17
guy,
8:18
and
8:19
he
8:19
had
8:19
made.
8:20
Made
8:20
some
8:20
very
8:20
modest
8:21
home
8:22
development,
8:22
Single
8:23
family
8:23
residences,
8:24
and
8:24
had
8:24
actually
8:25
followed
8:25
through
8:26
and
8:26
done
8:26
everything
8:26
the
8:27
right
8:27
way.
8:27
So
8:27
the
8:27
county
8:27
was
8:28
pretty
8:28
familiar
8:28
with
8:28
this
8:29
guy
8:30
and
8:30
issued,
8:31
said,
8:31
yeah,
8:31
yeah,
8:32
you
8:32
can
8:32
continue
8:33
on
8:33
that
8:33
project
8:34
and
8:34
build
8:34
two
8:34
more
8:34
homes.
8:35
Well,
8:36
the
8:36
coastal
8:36
commission
8:37
got
8:37
wind
8:37
of
8:37
it
8:37
and
8:38
then
8:38
in
8:38
again.
8:39
This
8:39
is
8:39
one
8:39
of
8:40
those
8:40
things
8:40
that
8:41
until
8:42
you
8:42
see
8:42
it
8:42
in
8:43
writing,
8:44
it
8:44
kind
8:44
of
8:44
makes
8:44
no
8:44
sense.
8:45
Under
8:45
California
8:46
law,
8:47
the
8:47
coastal.
8:48
Any
8:48
two
8:48
coastal
8:49
commissioners
8:51
can
8:51
appeal
8:53
another
8:53
government
8:54
agency's
8:55
approval
8:55
of
8:56
a
8:56
permit
8:56
in
8:56
the
8:57
coastal
8:57
zone
8:58
to
8:58
themselves.
9:00
It's
9:00
like
9:00
judge,
9:01
jury
9:01
and
9:01
executioner.
9:02
Right?
9:02
We
9:03
tend
9:03
to
9:03
think,
9:03
no,
9:03
the
9:04
judge
9:04
should
9:04
not
9:04
be
9:04
the
9:05
prosecutor.
9:06
But
9:06
under
9:07
the
9:07
California
9:08
system,
9:09
two
9:09
coastal
9:10
commissioners
9:10
can
9:10
object
9:11
and
9:11
say,
9:11
we
9:12
appeal
9:13
the
9:13
local
9:13
government's
9:14
approvals
9:15
to
9:15
the
9:15
very
9:16
commission
9:16
that
9:16
we
9:16
sit
9:17
on.
9:17
And
9:17
that's
9:17
what
9:17
happened
9:18
here.
9:19
And
9:19
that
9:19
there
9:19
was
9:19
a
9:20
fight
9:20
and
9:20
there
9:20
was,
9:20
it
9:20
was
9:21
essentially
9:21
a
9:21
fight
9:22
where
9:23
the
9:23
two
9:23
wolves
9:23
are
9:24
deciding
9:24
over
9:24
which
9:25
of
9:25
them
9:25
gets
9:25
to
9:26
eat
9:26
the
9:26
Lamb
9:27
in
9:27
a
9:27
sense,
9:28
the
9:28
county
9:29
saying
9:29
no,
9:29
we
9:29
have
9:30
jurisdiction
9:30
to
9:30
decide
9:31
this
9:31
issue.
9:31
And
9:31
what
9:32
we
9:32
say
9:33
goes.
9:34
The
9:34
commission
9:34
saying
9:35
no,
9:35
no,
9:35
no.
9:35
We're
9:35
the
9:36
ultimate
9:37
deciders
9:37
of
9:37
what
9:38
goes
9:38
on
9:38
in
9:38
the
9:38
coastal
9:39
zone.
9:40
And
9:40
after
9:40
a
9:40
very
9:41
long
9:41
process,
9:42
our
9:42
client
9:43
was
9:43
vindicated.
9:44
The
9:45
property
9:45
owner,
9:45
the
9:46
home
9:46
builder.
9:47
The
9:47
California
9:48
Supreme
9:48
Court
9:48
unanimously
9:49
said
9:49
that,
9:50
oh
9:50
no,
9:50
Coastal
9:51
commission,
9:51
butt
9:51
out.
9:52
You're
9:52
exceeding
9:52
your
9:52
jurisdiction.
9:53
You're
9:53
not
9:53
supposed
9:54
to
9:54
be
9:54
doing
9:54
that
9:54
type
9:55
of
9:55
thing.
9:56
Local,
9:56
county,
9:57
you
9:57
have
9:58
the
9:58
authority
9:58
to
9:59
decide
9:59
these
9:59
things.
10:00
You
10:00
decided
10:01
that
10:01
he
10:01
should
10:01
be
10:01
allowed
10:02
to
10:02
build
10:03
and
10:03
get
10:04
out
10:04
of
10:04
the
10:04
way.
10:04
And
10:05
it
10:05
ordered
10:05
the
10:05
California
10:06
Coastal
10:06
Commission
10:07
to
10:07
dismiss
10:07
its
10:08
own
10:08
appeal
10:09
and
10:09
let
10:10
these
10:10
permits
10:11
go
10:11
into
10:11
effect.
10:12
So
10:13
we
10:13
think
10:14
that
10:14
one,
10:14
that
10:15
one
10:15
pretty
10:16
significant
10:16
win
10:16
after
10:17
a
10:17
long
10:18
period
10:18
where
10:19
California
10:20
courts
10:20
were
10:20
very
10:21
much
10:21
in
10:21
rule
10:22
in
10:22
favor
10:22
of
10:22
the
10:22
coastal
10:23
Commission.
10:24
So
10:24
that
10:24
gives
10:24
us
10:25
some,
10:27
lets
10:28
us
10:28
take
10:28
heart
10:29
that
10:29
this
10:29
latest
10:29
case,
10:30
the
10:30
courts
10:31
will
10:31
see
10:31
it
10:31
in
10:31
much
10:31
the
10:32
same
10:32
way.
10:32
Make
10:33
sure
10:33
and
10:33
follow
10:33
us
10:33
on
10:34
social
10:34
media
10:34
and
10:35
our
10:35
YouTube
10:35
channels.
10:36
To
10:36
find
10:37
all
10:37
the
10:37
links,
10:37
head
10:38
to
10:38
aroundthehouseonline.com
10:40
we
10:40
will
10:41
be
10:41
right
10:41
back.
10:42
Talking
10:42
about
10:42
your
10:43
property
10:43
rights
10:43
from
10:44
Robert
10:44
Thomas
10:45
from
10:45
the
10:45
Pacific
10:46
Legal
10:46
Foundation.
10:51
The
12:15
kids
12:15
these
12:15
days
12:16
will
12:16
never
12:17
understand.
12:20
What
12:20
it's
12:21
like
12:21
to
12:21
play
12:22
an
12:22
instrument.
12:23
Like
12:24
being
12:24
a
12:25
band.
12:26
What's
12:26
up?
12:26
This
12:26
is
12:27
Sticks
12:27
it
12:27
In
12:27
ya
12:28
and.
12:28
Satchel
12:29
from
12:29
Steel
12:30
Panther
12:30
and
12:30
you
12:31
are
12:31
listening
12:31
to
12:32
around
12:32
the
12:33
House
12:33
with
12:33
Eric.
12:34
G.
12:34
Yeah,
12:35
we
12:36
love
12:36
Eric
12:37
G.
12:37
And
12:37
you
12:37
should
12:38
too.
12:41
Welcome
12:42
back
12:42
to
12:42
around
12:43
the
12:43
House.
12:44
First
12:44
time
12:44
catching
12:45
the
12:45
show.
12:46
Find
12:46
out
12:46
more
12:47
about
12:47
us@aroundthehouse
12:48
online.com
12:50
now
12:50
let's
12:51
get
12:51
back
12:51
to
12:51
talking
12:51
about
12:52
your
12:52
property
12:52
rights
12:53
with
12:53
Robert
12:54
Thomas
12:54
from
12:54
the
12:55
Pacific
12:55
Legal
12:56
Foundation.
12:57
Finally,
12:57
maybe
12:58
getting,
12:58
as
12:59
one
12:59
columnist
12:59
put
13:00
it
13:00
down
13:00
here,
13:00
a
13:00
reckoning
13:02
on
13:02
its,
13:03
on
13:03
its
13:03
excessive
13:04
use
13:04
of
13:04
its
13:05
own
13:05
power.
13:06
No
13:06
kidding.
13:07
And
13:07
it's
13:07
not
13:07
just
13:08
California.
13:09
I
13:09
mean
13:09
I'm
13:09
in
13:09
Oregon.
13:10
Up
13:10
here
13:10
my
13:10
little
13:11
brother
13:11
and
13:11
I
13:11
have
13:11
a,
13:12
a
13:12
beach
13:12
house
13:13
out
13:13
in
13:13
Cannon
13:13
Beach,
13:14
Oregon
13:14
out
13:14
there
13:15
and
13:16
small
13:17
town
13:17
politics,
13:18
man.
13:18
You
13:18
got
13:19
hotel
13:20
owners
13:20
that
13:21
are
13:21
on
13:21
the
13:21
city
13:21
council
13:22
that
13:23
want
13:23
to
13:23
shut
13:24
down
13:24
as
13:24
many
13:25
of
13:25
the
13:25
short
13:26
term
13:26
rentals
13:26
as
13:27
they
13:27
can
13:27
and
13:28
they
13:28
just
13:28
passed
13:29
one
13:29
that
13:29
I'm
13:29
furious
13:30
about
13:30
where
13:31
we
13:31
can't
13:31
use
13:32
our
13:32
fire
13:32
pit
13:33
because
13:35
we
13:36
are
13:36
renting
13:37
short
13:37
term
13:38
rentals
13:38
a
13:38
few
13:38
times
13:38
a
13:39
year
13:39
and
13:40
they
13:40
have
13:40
outlawed
13:41
the
13:41
use
13:41
of
13:42
fire
13:42
pits
13:43
for
13:43
anyone
13:44
that
13:44
is
13:44
renting
13:45
to
13:45
anyone
13:46
short
13:46
term
13:46
rental.
13:47
So
13:47
my
13:47
neighbor
13:48
across
13:48
the
13:48
street
13:49
can
13:49
use
13:49
a
13:49
fire
13:50
pit
13:50
perfectly
13:51
fine.
13:52
The
13:53
here's
13:53
the
13:53
crazy
13:54
part.
13:54
The
13:55
city
13:55
owned
13:56
RV
13:57
park
13:57
next
13:57
to
13:58
propane
13:58
tanks
13:59
and
13:59
fireball
13:59
and
14:00
fire
14:01
prone
14:01
RVs
14:02
and
14:03
I'm
14:03
an
14:03
RV
14:03
owner,
14:04
that's
14:04
perfectly
14:05
okay
14:05
to
14:05
use
14:05
it
14:06
there.
14:06
But
14:06
if
14:06
you're
14:07
renting
14:07
short
14:08
term
14:08
and
14:09
you're
14:09
the
14:09
homeowner,
14:10
you
14:11
can't
14:11
use
14:11
a
14:11
fire
14:11
pit
14:12
in
14:12
the
14:12
city.
14:12
So
14:12
it
14:12
doesn't.
14:13
Let
14:13
me
14:13
get
14:13
this
14:13
straight.
14:14
It
14:14
doesn't
14:14
say,
14:14
well,
14:15
someone's
14:15
renting
14:15
your
14:16
property
14:17
short
14:17
term,
14:17
they
14:18
can't
14:18
use
14:18
the
14:18
fire
14:19
pit.
14:19
But,
14:20
but
14:20
for
14:20
the
14:20
other
14:21
364
14:22
days
14:22
of
14:22
the
14:23
year
14:23
that
14:23
you
14:23
live
14:24
there
14:24
and
14:24
don't
14:25
rent
14:25
it
14:25
to
14:25
somebody
14:26
else
14:26
because
14:27
you
14:27
rent
14:27
it
14:27
that
14:28
one
14:28
day
14:28
to
14:28
somebody
14:29
else,
14:29
then
14:30
you
14:30
can't
14:30
use
14:31
the
14:31
fire
14:31
pit,
14:32
correct?
14:33
100%.
14:34
Okay,
14:35
well,
14:35
that
14:36
makes
14:36
a
14:36
whole
14:36
lot
14:36
of
14:37
no
14:37
sense
14:37
to
14:37
me,
14:38
let's
14:38
put
14:38
it
14:38
that
14:39
way.
14:39
And
14:40
yet
14:40
the
14:40
city
14:40
apparently
14:41
doesn't
14:41
have
14:41
those
14:42
concerns
14:42
because
14:43
in
14:43
its
14:43
own,
14:44
when
14:44
it
14:44
rents
14:45
out
14:45
space,
14:45
hey,
14:46
no
14:46
problem
14:47
is
14:47
it,
14:47
that
14:47
they
14:47
think
14:48
you're
14:48
going
14:48
to
14:48
be
14:48
renting
14:49
to
14:49
arsonists?
14:50
I
14:50
mean,
14:50
what's
14:50
the
14:50
problem?
14:51
And
14:52
on
14:52
top
14:52
of
14:52
that,
14:52
there's
14:53
zero
14:53
history
14:54
of
14:54
fire
14:54
pit
14:55
structure
14:55
fires
14:56
or
14:56
anything
14:57
like
14:57
that
14:57
in
14:57
the,
14:58
there's
14:58
nothing
14:58
in
14:59
recent
14:59
history
15:00
that
15:00
has
15:00
come
15:00
up
15:01
that
15:01
I
15:01
can
15:02
even
15:02
search
15:02
in
15:02
the
15:02
news
15:03
and
15:03
find.
15:03
So
15:04
there's
15:04
just
15:04
no
15:04
story
15:05
there.
15:05
But
15:05
it's,
15:06
it's
15:06
the,
15:06
it's
15:07
the
15:07
personal
15:08
interests,
15:09
it
15:09
seems
15:09
from
15:10
my
15:10
opinion
15:10
at
15:10
least,
15:11
of
15:11
the
15:12
people
15:13
that
15:13
are
15:13
living
15:13
in
15:13
the
15:13
city
15:14
that
15:14
are
15:14
like,
15:14
oh
15:14
no,
15:15
we're
15:15
going
15:15
to
15:15
control
15:15
this
15:16
because
15:16
they
15:17
want
15:17
their
15:17
hotels
15:18
to
15:18
be
15:18
full
15:18
and
15:19
if
15:19
they
15:19
can
15:19
have
15:20
a
15:20
fire
15:20
pit
15:20
at
15:20
their
15:20
hotels,
15:22
that's
15:22
the
15:22
crazy
15:23
part.
15:23
It
15:23
all
15:24
not
15:24
to.
15:25
I
15:25
know
15:26
I
15:26
did
15:26
okay
15:27
in
15:27
high
15:27
school
15:27
history
15:28
and
15:28
I,
15:28
I
15:28
should
15:29
have,
15:29
I
15:29
should
15:29
have
15:29
stuck
15:29
with
15:30
that
15:30
maybe,
15:31
but,
15:31
but,
15:31
and
15:32
the
15:32
reason
15:32
I
15:33
bring
15:33
that
15:33
up
15:33
is
15:34
that
15:34
this
15:34
is,
15:34
this
15:35
all
15:35
stems
15:35
back
15:36
a
15:36
hundred
15:36
years.
15:36
Where
15:37
does
15:37
this
15:37
come
15:37
from?
15:38
People
15:38
always
15:38
ask
15:38
me
15:39
that.
15:39
Where,
15:39
how
15:39
come
15:40
government
15:41
can
15:41
come
15:41
up
15:41
with
15:41
all
15:42
sorts
15:42
of
15:42
things
15:42
that
15:42
make
15:43
no
15:43
sense.
15:44
And
15:44
I
15:45
tell
15:45
them
15:45
it
15:45
started
15:46
at
15:46
least
15:46
with
15:46
respect
15:47
to
15:47
property
15:48
regulation
15:49
and
15:49
the
15:49
limitations
15:50
on
15:50
the
15:50
uses
15:51
of
15:51
property
15:52
about
15:52
a
15:53
hundred
15:53
years
15:53
ago
15:53
with
15:54
the
15:54
advent
15:55
of
15:55
something
15:56
we're
15:56
very
15:56
familiar
15:57
with
15:57
now,
15:57
municipal
15:58
zoning.
15:59
Before
15:59
that,
16:00
governments
16:01
restricted
16:02
people's
16:02
uses
16:03
for
16:04
what
16:04
were
16:05
harmful
16:06
uses.
16:06
You
16:07
couldn't
16:07
make
16:07
use.
16:07
Nobody
16:08
has
16:08
the
16:08
right
16:08
to
16:08
make
16:09
use
16:09
of
16:09
their
16:09
property
16:09
in
16:10
a
16:10
way
16:10
that
16:10
is
16:10
potentially
16:11
harmful
16:11
to
16:12
somebody
16:12
else
16:13
or
16:13
harms
16:13
the
16:13
public.
16:14
And
16:15
that
16:15
that
16:15
notion
16:16
goes
16:16
back
16:16
a
16:17
thousand
16:17
years.
16:18
And
16:19
then
16:19
about
16:19
100
16:20
years
16:20
ago,
16:21
local
16:21
governments
16:22
started
16:22
codifying
16:23
that
16:23
principle
16:24
rather
16:24
than
16:24
leaving
16:25
it
16:25
up
16:25
to
16:26
individual
16:27
homeowners
16:27
saying,
16:28
hey,
16:28
my
16:28
neighbor
16:29
is
16:29
running
16:30
a
16:30
garbage
16:30
dump
16:31
on
16:31
their
16:31
property
16:31
and
16:32
they
16:32
shouldn't
16:32
be
16:32
able
16:32
to
16:32
do
16:32
that
16:33
because
16:33
it
16:33
interferes
16:33
with
16:34
my
16:34
use.
16:35
And
16:35
allowing
16:35
the
16:36
courts
16:36
to
16:36
take
16:36
care
16:37
of
16:37
those
16:37
problems.
16:37
Municipalities
16:38
started
16:40
this
16:40
thing
16:40
called
16:40
zoning,
16:41
where
16:41
they
16:41
said,
16:41
okay,
16:42
this
16:42
part
16:42
of
16:42
town
16:42
is
16:43
the
16:43
residential
16:43
zone.
16:44
Here's
16:44
the
16:44
height
16:44
limits,
16:45
here's
16:45
the
16:45
use
16:45
limits.
16:46
You
16:47
can't
16:47
make
16:47
a
16:47
commercial
16:48
use
16:48
in
16:48
a
16:48
residential
16:49
zone.
16:50
And
16:50
here's
16:51
the
16:51
other
16:51
thing,
16:51
too.
16:52
Setbacks.
16:53
Right.
16:53
You
16:53
can't
16:53
build.
16:53
You
16:54
may
16:54
own
16:55
the
16:55
square
16:56
footage,
16:56
but
16:56
you
16:57
can't
16:57
build
16:57
out
16:57
to
16:57
the
16:57
lot
16:58
line.
16:58
You
16:58
gotta
16:59
set
16:59
it
16:59
back
16:59
for
17:00
various
17:00
reasons.
17:01
But
17:01
you
17:01
could
17:02
on
17:02
the
17:02
north
17:02
side
17:02
of
17:03
the
17:03
street,
17:03
but
17:03
not
17:03
on
17:03
the
17:03
south
17:04
side
17:04
of
17:04
the
17:04
street.
17:05
Yeah,
17:05
and
17:05
that's
17:05
where
17:06
that
17:06
stuff
17:06
gets.
17:06
A
17:06
little
17:06
crazy
17:07
and.
17:08
Yeah,
17:08
exactly.
17:09
And.
17:09
And
17:10
you
17:10
can
17:10
see
17:10
it
17:11
in
17:11
some
17:11
instances
17:12
where.
17:12
Okay,
17:13
height
17:13
limitations
17:14
initially
17:14
came
17:15
about
17:15
because
17:16
the.
17:17
The
17:17
fire
17:18
truck
17:18
ladders
17:18
couldn't
17:19
reach
17:19
up
17:19
more
17:19
than
17:19
three
17:19
stories.
17:20
Oh,
17:20
okay.
17:21
Well,
17:21
then
17:21
maybe
17:22
three
17:22
stories
17:22
should
17:22
be
17:23
our
17:23
height
17:23
limit
17:23
in
17:23
this
17:24
town.
17:24
Oh,
17:24
that
17:24
makes
17:25
some
17:25
sense.
17:26
And
17:26
we
17:26
didn't
17:26
have.
17:26
We
17:27
didn't.
17:27
We
17:27
didn't
17:27
know
17:27
about
17:27
sprinklers
17:28
and
17:28
things
17:28
like
17:29
that
17:29
or
17:29
setbacks.
17:31
Well,
17:31
things
17:31
like
17:31
fire
17:32
trucks
17:32
had
17:32
to
17:32
go
17:32
between
17:33
buildings
17:34
in
17:34
order
17:34
to
17:34
put
17:34
out
17:35
structure
17:35
fires.
17:36
And
17:36
so
17:36
you
17:36
wanted
17:37
some
17:37
space
17:37
between
17:38
buildings
17:38
and
17:39
not
17:39
lot
17:39
lines.
17:40
Buildings
17:40
built
17:41
right
17:41
next
17:41
to
17:41
each
17:42
other
17:42
with
17:42
no
17:42
gap.
17:43
But
17:43
over
17:44
time,
17:44
like
17:44
everything
17:45
else,
17:45
sort
17:45
of
17:45
mission
17:46
creep,
17:46
let's
17:47
call
17:47
it,
17:47
sets
17:47
in
17:48
and
17:49
the
17:49
setback
17:50
itself
17:50
becomes
17:51
something
17:51
that
17:52
maybe
17:53
has
17:53
its
17:53
own.
17:54
It's
17:54
there
17:54
for
17:55
its
17:55
own
17:55
purposes
17:56
almost.
17:56
Well,
17:56
anyway,
17:57
this
17:57
was
17:57
challenged
17:58
100
17:58
years
17:58
ago
17:59
in
17:59
a
18:00
case
18:00
out
18:00
of
18:00
Ohio,
18:01
and
18:02
the
18:02
owner
18:02
said,
18:02
hey,
18:02
these
18:03
restrictions
18:03
that
18:03
you're
18:03
putting
18:04
me
18:04
into,
18:04
these
18:04
zones
18:05
kind
18:05
of
18:06
arbitrarily
18:07
really
18:07
impact
18:08
my
18:08
property
18:09
rights
18:09
because
18:09
you
18:09
haven't
18:10
shown
18:10
that
18:10
I'm
18:10
doing
18:10
anything
18:11
harmful.
18:11
It's
18:11
one
18:12
thing
18:12
to
18:12
say
18:12
I
18:12
can't
18:13
do
18:13
harmful
18:13
things
18:13
with
18:14
my
18:14
property.
18:15
That's
18:15
no
18:15
infringement
18:16
on
18:16
property
18:17
rights.
18:17
But
18:17
to
18:18
simply
18:18
say,
18:18
hey,
18:18
this
18:19
is.
18:19
This
18:19
is
18:19
the
18:19
residential
18:20
parts
18:20
of
18:21
town.
18:21
And
18:21
in
18:22
that
18:22
case,
18:23
village
18:23
of
18:23
Euclid.
18:24
Now,
18:24
the
18:24
city
18:24
of
18:24
Euclid,
18:25
a
18:25
suburb
18:25
of.
18:26
Of
18:26
Cleveland,
18:27
said
18:27
no
18:28
apartment
18:28
buildings.
18:29
And.
18:29
And
18:30
when
18:30
challenged
18:30
on
18:31
that,
18:31
the
18:31
city
18:31
claimed
18:32
that
18:32
apartment
18:32
buildings
18:33
were
18:33
harmful
18:34
and
18:34
detrimental
18:35
to
18:35
the
18:35
health
18:35
of
18:35
the
18:35
community,
18:37
which
18:37
is
18:37
today,
18:38
100
18:38
years
18:38
later,
18:39
almost
18:39
a
18:39
laughable.
18:40
Yeah.
18:40
Rationale.
18:41
But
18:42
in
18:42
the
18:42
end,
18:42
the
18:42
Supreme
18:43
Court
18:44
held
18:45
that
18:46
if
18:46
there's
18:47
any
18:48
sort
18:48
of
18:49
rational
18:50
relationship
18:51
between
18:51
the
18:51
restriction
18:53
and
18:54
the
18:54
furtherance
18:55
of
18:55
what
18:55
the
18:55
court
18:55
called
18:56
the
18:56
public
18:56
health,
18:56
safety,
18:57
welfare
18:57
or
18:58
morals,
18:59
and
18:59
it's
18:59
not
19:00
hard
19:00
to
19:00
see
19:00
how
19:00
you
19:00
can.
19:01
Almost
19:01
anything
19:01
is
19:01
going
19:02
to
19:02
qualify
19:02
on
19:02
that
19:03
standard.
19:03
Yeah,
19:03
Just
19:04
depending
19:04
on
19:05
constitutional
19:05
muster.
19:06
And
19:07
we've
19:07
lived
19:07
with
19:07
what
19:08
we
19:08
lawyers
19:09
call
19:09
the
19:09
rational
19:10
basis
19:10
test.
19:10
If
19:10
there's
19:11
any
19:11
rational
19:11
basis
19:12
for
19:12
the
19:12
restrictions,
19:13
courts
19:13
take
19:14
a
19:14
handoff
19:14
approach.
19:15
And
19:15
that's
19:16
the
19:16
answer
19:16
I
19:16
give
19:17
to
19:17
people
19:17
when
19:17
they
19:18
say
19:18
how
19:18
can,
19:18
how
19:19
wait,
19:19
these
19:19
things
19:19
make
19:20
no
19:20
sense
19:20
to
19:20
us.
19:20
How
19:21
can
19:21
they
19:21
possibly.
19:22
These
19:22
regulations
19:23
be
19:23
upheld.
19:24
Aren't
19:24
they
19:24
unconstitutional?
19:25
And
19:25
I
19:25
said
19:26
talk
19:26
to
19:26
the
19:26
Supreme
19:27
Court
19:27
in
19:27
1926.
19:29
Yeah.
19:29
And.
19:30
And
19:31
see
19:31
about
19:31
changing
19:31
that.
19:32
And
19:32
that's
19:32
one
19:32
of
19:32
our
19:33
missions
19:33
that
19:33
we
19:33
do
19:34
at
19:34
PLF
19:34
is
19:34
we
19:35
have
19:35
cases
19:36
and
19:36
are
19:36
looking
19:36
for
19:37
other
19:37
cases
19:37
that
19:37
are
19:38
challenging
19:38
that
19:39
100
19:40
year
19:40
old
19:40
standard.
19:41
We
19:41
said
19:41
what
19:42
may
19:42
have
19:42
made
19:42
sense
19:42
100
19:43
years
19:43
ago
19:44
doesn't
19:44
make
19:44
sense
19:45
today.
19:46
And
19:47
zoning
19:47
laws
19:48
and
19:48
similar
19:48
types
19:49
of
19:49
restrictions.
19:50
Micromanaging
19:51
your
19:52
ability
19:52
to
19:53
use
19:53
your
19:53
property
19:54
in
19:54
what
19:54
seem
19:55
like
19:55
obviously
19:56
reasonable
19:57
ways
19:58
really
19:58
does
19:58
infringe
19:59
on
19:59
your
19:59
property
20:00
rights.
20:00
And
20:00
the
20:00
burden
20:00
should
20:01
be
20:01
on
20:01
the
20:01
government,
20:01
not
20:02
the
20:02
homeowner.
20:03
The
20:03
burden
20:03
should
20:04
be
20:04
on
20:04
the
20:04
government
20:04
to
20:04
show
20:05
that
20:05
its
20:05
restrictions
20:06
on
20:06
your
20:06
uses
20:06
are
20:07
necessary
20:08
and
20:09
will
20:09
actually
20:10
result
20:10
in
20:11
improvement
20:12
of
20:12
the
20:12
or
20:13
protection
20:13
of
20:13
the
20:13
public
20:14
health,
20:14
safety
20:14
and
20:14
welfare.
20:15
And
20:15
not
20:16
on
20:16
the
20:16
owner.
20:17
Where
20:17
it
20:17
is
20:18
now
20:18
under
20:18
this
20:19
Euclid
20:19
case.
20:20
It
20:21
should
20:21
not
20:21
be
20:21
on
20:21
the
20:22
owner
20:22
to
20:22
prove
20:23
that,
20:23
well,
20:23
there.
20:24
I
20:24
won't.
20:24
What
20:25
I'm
20:25
doing
20:25
won't
20:26
harm
20:26
this.
20:27
It's.
20:27
It
20:27
seems
20:27
that
20:27
the
20:28
burdens
20:28
are
20:28
distributed
20:29
all
20:29
wrong.
20:30
And
20:30
so,
20:30
yeah,
20:31
we're
20:31
trying
20:31
to
20:31
change
20:31
that.
20:32
Yeah,
20:32
I
20:32
just
20:33
saw
20:33
an
20:33
interesting
20:33
one
20:34
happen
20:34
locally
20:35
and
20:35
I'm
20:35
talking
20:36
blocks
20:36
away
20:37
from
20:37
my
20:37
house.
20:38
So
20:38
the
20:39
city
20:39
and
20:40
the
20:40
county,
20:40
a
20:40
couple
20:41
cities
20:41
and
20:41
counties
20:41
are
20:42
going
20:42
to
20:42
take
20:42
this
20:42
little
20:42
narrow
20:43
road
20:43
that
20:43
goes
20:43
between
20:43
houses
20:44
and
20:44
make
20:44
it
20:44
a
20:44
thoroughfare
20:45
because
20:46
we
20:46
are
20:46
a
20:47
state
20:47
of.
20:48
We
20:48
have
20:48
the
20:48
urban
20:49
growth
20:49
boundaries
20:49
which
20:50
says
20:50
you
20:50
can
20:50
build
20:51
here,
20:51
you
20:51
can't
20:51
build
20:51
here,
20:52
that
20:52
kind
20:52
of
20:52
stuff.
20:52
So
20:53
this
20:54
road
20:54
was
20:54
gonna
20:55
go
20:55
through
20:55
and
20:55
people
20:55
were
20:56
gonna
20:56
lose
20:56
all
20:56
their
20:56
backyards.
20:57
I
20:57
mean
20:57
it
20:57
was
20:57
gonna
20:58
be
20:58
a
20:58
fence
20:59
three
20:59
feet
20:59
off
20:59
the
20:59
back
20:59
of
21:00
their
21:00
house
21:00
kind
21:00
of
21:00
thing
21:00
as
21:01
they
21:01
go
21:01
through.
21:01
Because
21:02
around
21:02
the
21:02
house.
21:03
We'll
21:03
be
21:03
right
21:04
back.
22:58
Wel.
22:58
Welcome
22:59
back
22:59
to
22:59
around
22:59
the
23:00
House.
23:01
First
23:01
time
23:01
catching
23:02
the
23:02
show.
23:03
Find
23:03
out
23:03
more
23:03
about
23:04
us@aroundthehouseonline.com.
23:07
Now
23:07
let's
23:07
get
23:07
back
23:08
to
23:08
talking
23:08
about
23:08
your
23:09
property
23:09
rights
23:10
with
23:10
Robert
23:10
Thomas
23:11
from
23:11
the
23:11
Pacific
23:12
Legal
23:12
Foundation.
23:14
So
23:14
they
23:14
were
23:14
gonna
23:14
have
23:14
to
23:14
go
23:15
through
23:15
some
23:15
farmland
23:16
and
23:16
along
23:16
the
23:16
river
23:17
a
23:17
little
23:17
bit.
23:17
The
23:18
homeowner,
23:18
which
23:19
I
23:19
think
23:19
she
23:19
and
23:20
I
23:20
could
23:20
be
23:20
wrong
23:20
here,
23:20
but
23:20
I
23:21
think
23:21
she
23:21
might
23:21
have
23:21
been
23:21
elderly
23:22
or
23:22
she
23:22
was.
23:23
She
23:23
donated
23:24
her
23:24
riverfront
23:25
property
23:26
to
23:27
be
23:27
a
23:27
wetland
23:28
reserve.
23:29
Well,
23:30
the
23:30
county
23:30
rule
23:31
says
23:31
you
23:31
can't
23:31
put
23:32
a
23:32
road
23:32
through
23:32
a
23:32
wetland
23:33
reserve.
23:33
It
23:33
has
23:33
to
23:33
be
23:33
a
23:34
hundred
23:34
yards
23:34
away.
23:35
That
23:35
killed
23:36
that
23:36
project.
23:37
And
23:37
I
23:37
was
23:38
like,
23:38
wow,
23:39
somebody
23:40
used
23:40
the
23:40
wetland
23:40
rules
23:41
back
23:41
against
23:42
them
23:43
to
23:43
stop
23:43
a
23:44
project.
23:44
And
23:44
I
23:45
went
23:45
extreme.
23:46
But
23:47
wow,
23:47
interesting.
23:48
We've
23:49
seen
23:49
that
23:50
not
23:50
only
23:50
from
23:52
the
23:52
federal
23:52
government
23:53
enforcing,
23:54
say
23:55
the
23:55
Clean
23:55
Water
23:55
act
23:56
and
23:57
stretching
23:57
it
23:57
way
23:58
beyond
23:59
what
23:59
Congress
24:00
laid
24:00
out.
24:00
Congress
24:01
back
24:01
in
24:02
the
24:02
people
24:02
forget
24:03
it
24:03
was
24:03
the
24:03
Nixon
24:04
administration.
24:04
Yeah.
24:05
It
24:05
was
24:05
the
24:05
Clean
24:06
Water
24:06
Act.
24:07
And
24:07
it
24:07
was.
24:08
It
24:08
was
24:08
a
24:08
comprehensive
24:09
but
24:09
limited
24:10
to
24:11
certain
24:11
things
24:11
that
24:12
the
24:12
federal
24:12
government
24:13
has
24:13
jurisdiction
24:14
over
24:15
waters
24:16
of
24:16
the
24:16
United
24:16
States.
24:17
And
24:18
over
24:18
time,
24:18
like
24:19
a
24:19
lot
24:19
of
24:19
other
24:19
things,
24:19
that
24:20
mission
24:20
creep
24:20
set
24:21
in
24:21
and
24:21
stretched
24:22
the
24:22
notion
24:22
of
24:22
waters
24:23
of
24:23
the
24:23
United
24:23
States
24:24
to
24:24
was
24:24
at
24:24
one
24:24
point
24:25
there
24:25
was
24:25
actually
24:26
something
24:26
called
24:27
the
24:27
migratory
24:27
bird
24:28
rule.
24:28
It
24:28
was
24:28
considered
24:29
that
24:29
if
24:29
your
24:29
pond
24:30
in
24:30
your
24:30
backyard,
24:31
ducks
24:32
on
24:32
their
24:32
way
24:33
north
24:33
and
24:33
south
24:34
landed
24:34
in
24:35
there,
24:35
that
24:35
was
24:35
considered
24:36
a
24:36
water
24:36
of
24:36
the
24:36
United
24:37
States,
24:37
therefore
24:37
subject
24:38
to
24:38
Clean
24:38
Water
24:39
act
24:39
jurisdiction.
24:40
When
24:40
it
24:40
was
24:40
just
24:40
this
24:40
pond
24:41
in
24:41
your
24:41
backyard.
24:42
Yeah,
24:42
a
24:43
court
24:43
knocked
24:43
that
24:43
with
24:43
the
24:44
Supreme
24:44
Court
24:44
knocked
24:45
that
24:45
one
24:45
down.
24:46
And
24:46
then
24:46
the
24:46
most
24:47
recent
24:47
sort
24:47
of
24:48
knockdown
24:48
of
24:48
that
24:48
was
24:49
again
24:49
one
24:49
of
24:49
our
24:49
cases
24:50
involving
24:51
a
24:51
property
24:51
in
24:52
Idaho
24:52
where
24:52
the
24:53
only
24:53
connection
24:54
to
24:55
an
24:55
actual
24:55
thing
24:56
you
24:56
might
24:56
deem
24:56
navigable
24:57
waters
24:58
of
24:58
the
24:58
United
24:58
States
24:59
was
24:59
subsurface.
25:00
We're
25:01
all
25:01
connected,
25:01
I
25:02
guess.
25:03
But
25:03
you
25:03
know,
25:03
it
25:03
was
25:03
never
25:04
Congress's
25:04
intention.
25:05
So
25:06
there's
25:06
those.
25:06
You
25:07
also
25:07
have
25:07
a
25:07
lot
25:07
of.
25:08
We
25:08
have
25:08
50
25:09
states
25:09
doing
25:09
a
25:10
lot
25:10
of
25:10
similar
25:10
type
25:11
of
25:11
restrictions
25:12
and
25:12
regulations
25:13
on
25:14
those.
25:14
And
25:14
then
25:15
layer
25:15
on
25:15
top
25:16
of
25:16
that
25:16
things
25:16
that
25:17
are
25:17
now
25:17
becoming
25:17
vogue,
25:18
these
25:18
things
25:18
called
25:19
wildlife
25:19
corridors
25:20
to
25:21
allow
25:21
year
25:22
and
25:22
the
25:22
antelope
25:23
play
25:23
across
25:24
your
25:24
property.
25:24
And
25:25
as
25:25
they
25:25
migrate,
25:26
they
25:26
need
25:26
a
25:26
path
25:27
and
25:27
you
25:27
cannot
25:28
build
25:28
in
25:28
the
25:28
path.
25:29
So
25:29
it's
25:29
a
25:29
no
25:29
build
25:30
zone
25:30
on
25:30
your
25:30
property
25:31
that
25:32
follows
25:32
deer
25:32
trails,
25:33
I
25:33
guess.
25:34
And
25:34
we've
25:34
been
25:35
dealing
25:35
with
25:35
some
25:35
of
25:36
those.
25:36
Speaking
25:37
of
25:37
Cannon
25:37
beach,
25:38
there's
25:38
also
25:38
one
25:39
that's
25:39
popped
25:39
up
25:40
in
25:40
the
25:40
news
25:40
lately
25:41
about.
25:41
I
25:42
understand
25:42
Cannon
25:43
beach
25:43
is
25:43
near
25:43
a
25:43
beach,
25:44
let's
25:44
put
25:44
it
25:45
that
25:45
way.
25:45
Y.
25:46
And
25:46
because
25:46
of
25:46
that
25:47
sand
25:47
in
25:48
the
25:48
winter
25:48
time,
25:49
because
25:49
of
25:49
the
25:50
tides
25:50
and
25:50
the
25:50
winds
25:51
and
25:51
the
25:51
weather
25:51
blows
25:52
up
25:52
onto
25:52
people's
25:53
property
25:53
and
25:54
starts
25:54
collecting.
25:55
Well,
25:55
for
25:56
the
25:56
longest
25:56
time,
25:57
the
25:57
Oregon
25:58
I
25:58
think
25:58
it's.
25:58
The
25:58
Department
25:59
of
25:59
Environment
26:01
issued
26:01
permits
26:02
to
26:02
people
26:02
to
26:02
clear
26:03
off
26:04
the
26:04
sand.
26:05
But
26:05
recently,
26:05
apparently
26:06
there's
26:06
been
26:06
a
26:07
change
26:07
of
26:07
heart
26:07
somewhere
26:08
in
26:08
the
26:08
department
26:09
because
26:09
now
26:09
these
26:10
permits
26:10
that
26:10
have
26:10
been
26:10
issued
26:11
for
26:11
years,
26:12
allowing
26:13
property
26:13
owners
26:14
not
26:14
only
26:14
to
26:14
clear
26:15
their
26:15
own
26:15
land
26:15
from
26:16
the
26:16
sand
26:17
and
26:17
their
26:17
houses
26:18
to
26:18
keep
26:18
them
26:18
from
26:18
getting
26:19
buried
26:19
In
26:20
Lawrence
26:20
of
26:20
Arabia
26:21
Dunes,
26:21
I
26:22
suppose
26:22
we're
26:23
also
26:23
clearing
26:24
out
26:24
the
26:25
public
26:25
access
26:25
ways
26:26
to
26:26
and
26:26
from
26:26
the
26:27
beach.
26:27
Yeah.
26:27
Allow
26:28
the
26:28
public
26:28
to
26:28
get
26:28
to
26:29
the
26:29
beach.
26:29
And
26:29
we're
26:29
burying
26:30
those
26:30
paths
26:31
in
26:31
sand.
26:31
And
26:31
the
26:31
owners
26:32
are
26:32
like,
26:32
yeah,
26:32
we'll
26:32
clear
26:33
those
26:33
out,
26:33
too,
26:34
because
26:34
we're,
26:35
we're
26:35
Oregonians
26:36
and,
26:36
and
26:36
we
26:36
appreciate
26:37
the
26:37
ability
26:38
for
26:38
the
26:38
public
26:38
to
26:38
get
26:39
to
26:39
the
26:39
beach.
26:40
Well,
26:40
for
26:40
some
26:40
reason,
26:41
they
26:41
shut
26:41
them
26:41
down
26:41
and
26:41
said,
26:42
no,
26:42
you
26:42
can't
26:42
do
26:42
that.
26:43
So
26:43
meanwhile,
26:43
all
26:43
this
26:44
publicly
26:44
owned
26:45
sand
26:45
is
26:45
piling
26:46
up
26:46
on
26:46
the
26:46
homeowners.
26:47
It's
26:48
even
26:48
worse
26:48
than
26:49
that
26:49
because
26:49
I'm
26:50
watching
26:50
it
26:50
in
26:50
Cannon
26:51
beach
26:51
because
26:51
it's,
26:52
it's
26:52
right
26:52
behind
26:53
the
26:53
beach
26:53
house
26:53
that
26:54
we
26:54
have
26:54
there.
26:54
It's.
26:54
It's.
26:55
We're
26:55
a
26:55
block
26:55
off
26:56
the
26:56
beach.
26:57
Well,
26:57
20
26:58
years
26:58
ago,
26:58
I
26:59
think,
26:59
and
26:59
I
26:59
could
26:59
be
27:00
wrong
27:00
in
27:00
the
27:00
time
27:00
it
27:00
could
27:00
be
27:01
30.
27:01
But
27:02
they
27:02
went
27:02
in
27:02
and
27:02
planted
27:03
some,
27:04
some
27:05
grasses
27:06
in
27:06
front
27:06
of
27:06
the
27:07
beach
27:07
houses
27:07
just
27:08
to
27:08
kind
27:08
of
27:08
keep
27:08
things
27:09
going
27:09
and
27:10
to
27:10
keep
27:10
that
27:10
sand
27:11
from
27:11
moving
27:11
around
27:11
as
27:11
much.
27:12
Well,
27:12
the
27:12
problem
27:12
was
27:12
that
27:13
it's
27:13
a
27:14
now
27:14
considered
27:15
an
27:15
invasive
27:15
plant
27:16
species.
27:16
It's
27:17
not
27:17
supposed
27:17
to
27:17
be
27:17
there.
27:18
Well,
27:19
this
27:19
sand
27:19
is
27:19
now
27:20
grown
27:20
up
27:20
because
27:20
as
27:21
sand
27:21
does,
27:21
when
27:22
it
27:22
starts
27:22
to
27:22
collect,
27:23
it
27:23
keeps
27:23
collecting.
27:24
And
27:24
now
27:25
there's
27:25
this
27:25
huge
27:25
sand
27:26
dunes.
27:26
All
27:26
these
27:27
homes
27:27
that
27:27
had
27:27
a
27:28
beautiful
27:28
view
27:29
of
27:29
the
27:29
beach
27:29
now
27:30
look
27:30
at
27:30
grasses
27:31
and
27:31
sand.
27:32
They
27:33
wanted
27:33
to
27:33
clean
27:33
that
27:33
out
27:34
and
27:34
level
27:34
it
27:34
back
27:34
out
27:35
and
27:35
restore
27:35
it
27:35
the
27:36
way
27:36
it's
27:36
supposed
27:36
to,
27:37
except
27:38
now
27:38
there's
27:38
some
27:39
bird
27:39
or
27:39
something
27:40
that's
27:40
living
27:40
in
27:41
there,
27:41
and
27:42
they
27:42
can't
27:43
go
27:43
in
27:43
and
27:43
do
27:43
that.
27:44
And
27:44
so
27:44
they
27:44
won't
27:44
let
27:44
them
27:45
touch
27:45
it.
27:46
But
27:47
habitat
27:47
for.
27:48
It's
27:48
some
27:48
habitat
27:49
for
27:49
something.
27:49
And
27:50
now
27:50
all
27:50
of
27:50
a
27:50
sudden
27:51
they
27:51
can't
27:51
go
27:51
in
27:51
and
27:51
do
27:52
anything
27:52
with
27:52
it.
27:53
And
27:53
it's
27:53
just
27:53
burying
27:54
the
27:54
homes.
27:54
And
27:54
so
27:55
it's,
27:55
it's
27:55
even
27:55
a
27:55
step
27:56
beyond
27:56
that.
27:56
It's
27:57
the,
27:57
it's.
27:58
The
27:58
bird
27:58
species
27:59
is
27:59
going
27:59
to
27:59
get
27:59
hurt
28:00
if
28:00
you
28:00
remove
28:00
that.
28:00
But
28:01
at
28:01
the
28:01
same
28:02
time,
28:02
every
28:03
year
28:03
that
28:03
gets
28:04
a
28:04
foot
28:04
or
28:04
two
28:04
taller.
28:05
And
28:05
now
28:06
these
28:06
people's
28:06
homes,
28:07
which
28:07
were
28:07
view
28:07
homes,
28:08
are
28:08
really
28:09
view
28:09
homes
28:09
anymore.
28:10
Right?
28:10
They're
28:10
sitting
28:11
behind
28:11
a
28:11
sand
28:11
dune.
28:12
Yeah,
28:12
exactly
28:13
right.
28:13
And
28:14
that's
28:14
getting
28:14
taller
28:14
every
28:15
year.
28:15
And
28:16
they
28:16
can't.
28:16
At
28:17
some
28:17
point
28:17
it's
28:17
going
28:17
to
28:18
come
28:18
onto
28:18
their
28:18
property
28:19
as
28:19
well.
28:19
So.
28:19
Yeah,
28:20
absolutely.
28:20
These.
28:21
You
28:21
and
28:21
I
28:22
could
28:22
talk
28:23
all
28:23
day
28:23
about
28:24
various
28:25
situations
28:26
that
28:27
seem
28:27
utterly
28:27
ridiculous
28:29
and
28:29
yet
28:30
are
28:30
either
28:31
not
28:31
subject
28:31
to
28:32
challenge
28:32
or
28:32
the
28:33
courts
28:33
have
28:33
upheld
28:34
government
28:35
action.
28:36
And
28:36
that's
28:37
like,
28:37
for
28:38
us,
28:38
it
28:39
presents
28:39
a
28:39
target
28:40
rich
28:40
Environment
28:40
in
28:41
that
28:41
sense.
28:41
Right.
28:42
We
28:42
have
28:42
no
28:42
shortage
28:42
of
28:43
people
28:43
calling
28:43
us
28:43
up
28:44
and
28:44
saying,
28:44
hey,
28:44
I
28:44
hear
28:45
you
28:45
work
28:45
for
28:45
free.
28:46
Here's
28:46
a
28:46
case
28:47
I
28:47
have
28:47
that,
28:47
that
28:48
might
28:48
fit
28:49
the
28:49
agenda,
28:50
including
28:50
not
28:51
only
28:51
just
28:51
sort
28:52
of
28:52
generically
28:52
property
28:53
rights,
28:54
but
28:54
also
28:54
specifically
28:55
about
28:56
homes
28:57
that,
28:57
that
28:57
U.S.
28:58
and
28:58
Oregon
28:59
constitutions
29:00
expressly
29:01
protecting
29:01
property,
29:02
private
29:02
property
29:03
and
29:03
property,
29:04
but
29:04
most,
29:06
the
29:06
U.
29:06
S.
29:06
Constitution
29:07
and
29:07
the,
29:07
and
29:07
the
29:08
state
29:08
constitutions
29:09
also
29:09
protect
29:09
homes
29:10
specifically
29:11
in
29:11
an
29:11
area
29:11
that
29:12
a
29:12
lot
29:12
of
29:12
people
29:12
don't
29:13
think
29:13
about.
29:13
That
29:13
I
29:14
would
29:14
like
29:14
to
29:14
put
29:14
on
29:14
your
29:15
radar
29:15
as
29:15
well
29:15
since
29:16
you're
29:16
about
29:16
the
29:16
home.
29:17
Right.
29:17
That,
29:18
that
29:18
searches
29:19
and
29:19
seizures.
29:19
Right.
29:20
We
29:20
tend
29:20
to
29:20
think
29:20
of,
29:21
oh
29:21
hey,
29:21
come
29:21
back
29:22
with
29:22
a
29:22
warrant
29:22
man,
29:23
as
29:24
sort
29:24
of
29:24
a
29:24
thing,
29:24
a
29:25
criminal
29:25
law
29:26
type
29:26
of
29:26
right.
29:27
A
29:27
right
29:27
not
29:28
to
29:28
be
29:28
searched
29:29
and
29:29
seized
29:30
subject
29:30
to
29:31
police
29:31
and
29:31
other
29:31
seizure
29:32
by,
29:33
without
29:33
a,
29:34
without
29:34
some
29:35
probable
29:36
cause
29:36
and
29:36
a
29:36
warrant
29:37
issued
29:38
by
29:38
a
29:38
judge.
29:38
Right.
29:38
A
29:39
judge
29:39
looks
29:39
at
29:39
and
29:39
say,
29:40
yeah,
29:40
there's
29:40
a
29:40
good
29:41
chance
29:41
you're
29:41
gonna
29:41
find
29:42
the
29:42
murder
29:43
weapon
29:43
on
29:43
this
29:43
guy's
29:44
property.
29:44
And
29:44
I'm
29:44
here's
29:45
a
29:45
warrant
29:45
to
29:45
go
29:45
find
29:46
it,
29:46
to
29:46
go
29:46
look
29:47
for
29:47
it
29:47
and
29:47
find
29:47
it.
29:48
But
29:48
what
29:48
we're
29:49
seeing
29:49
more
29:49
and
29:49
more
29:50
now
29:50
is
29:50
what
29:50
we
29:50
call
29:52
administrative
29:52
or
29:53
blanket
29:53
warrants
29:54
where
29:55
in
29:55
order
29:55
to
29:56
get
29:56
some
29:56
license
29:57
to
29:57
do
29:57
an
29:58
occupation
29:59
that
29:59
you
30:00
have
30:00
to
30:00
agree
30:01
to
30:01
warrantless
30:02
unannounced
30:03
searches
30:05
at
30:05
any
30:05
time
30:06
government,
30:07
zoning
30:08
or
30:08
other
30:09
inspectors
30:10
want
30:10
to
30:10
come
30:10
in
30:10
and
30:11
search
30:11
your
30:11
records.
30:12
And
30:13
in
30:13
a
30:13
time
30:13
where
30:14
more
30:14
and
30:14
more
30:15
of
30:15
us
30:15
are
30:16
working
30:16
out
30:16
of
30:17
our
30:17
houses,
30:18
that
30:19
implicates
30:19
the
30:19
right.
30:20
And
30:21
what's
30:21
nice
30:22
about
30:22
the
30:23
U.
30:23
S.
30:23
Constitution
30:24
in
30:24
particular,
30:24
it
30:25
says
30:25
not
30:25
only
30:25
is
30:25
your
30:26
property
30:26
protected,
30:27
your
30:27
person's
30:28
homes,
30:28
houses
30:29
and
30:29
effects
30:30
are
30:30
protected
30:30
against
30:31
unreasonable
30:32
searches
30:32
and
30:32
seizures.
30:33
But
30:34
we
30:34
see
30:34
this
30:34
more
30:34
and
30:35
more.
30:35
And
30:36
so
30:36
you
30:36
have
30:37
physical
30:37
therapists
30:38
who
30:38
work
30:38
out
30:38
of
30:39
their
30:39
home
30:39
saying
30:39
in
30:40
return
30:40
for
30:40
a
30:40
license,
30:41
you've
30:41
got
30:42
to
30:42
open,
30:42
be
30:42
available
30:43
for
30:43
inspection
30:45
unannounced,
30:45
anytime,
30:46
or
30:46
you
30:47
mentioned
30:47
short
30:47
term
30:48
rental
30:48
operators.
30:49
We
30:49
see
30:50
that
30:50
as
30:50
well,
30:51
saying
30:51
as
30:51
a,
30:51
as
30:52
a
30:52
condition
30:52
of
30:52
getting
30:53
this
30:53
license
30:54
from
30:54
the
30:54
government
30:56
to
30:56
operate
30:56
your
30:57
business,
30:58
you
30:58
got
30:58
to
30:58
open
30:58
your
30:58
records,
30:59
your
30:59
houses.
30:59
We're
31:00
going
31:00
to
31:00
be
31:00
able
31:00
to
31:00
come
31:00
in
31:00
and
31:01
look
31:01
around,
31:02
see
31:02
if
31:02
there's
31:02
any
31:02
violations
31:03
of
31:03
law.
31:04
And
31:04
so
31:04
I
31:04
wanted
31:05
to
31:05
put
31:05
that
31:05
on
31:05
your
31:05
radar
31:06
as
31:06
well,
31:06
because
31:07
that
31:08
we've
31:08
got
31:08
a
31:08
textual
31:09
basis
31:09
in
31:09
the
31:10
constitutions.
31:10
Is
31:10
your
31:11
home,
31:11
your
31:11
house
31:12
is
31:12
protected?
31:13
Yep.
31:14
Yeah.
31:14
So
31:14
that's
31:15
clearly
31:15
written.
31:15
There's
31:16
no
31:16
doubt
31:16
about
31:16
that.
31:17
No,
31:17
there
31:17
is
31:18
there.
31:18
At
31:18
least
31:18
in
31:19
my
31:19
mind
31:19
there
31:19
isn't.
31:20
Yeah,
31:20
I
31:20
mean
31:20
to
31:20
me
31:21
that's
31:21
black
31:21
and
31:21
white.
31:22
That's
31:22
how
31:22
I
31:22
see
31:22
that
31:23
one.
31:24
Another
31:24
case?
31:25
Well,
31:26
yeah,
31:26
not
31:26
so
31:27
much.
31:27
So
31:27
that's.
31:28
That's
31:28
what
31:28
our
31:28
job
31:29
is
31:29
as
31:29
specific
31:30
legal
31:30
foundation.
31:31
I'm
31:31
watching
31:32
a
31:32
court
31:32
case,
31:32
pay
31:32
it
31:33
play
31:33
out
31:33
because
31:34
I
31:34
owned
31:35
a
31:35
home
31:35
by
31:35
this
31:35
lake.
31:36
And
31:36
here
31:36
in.
31:36
In
31:37
Oregon,
31:37
we
31:37
have
31:37
Lake
31:37
Oswego,
31:38
which
31:38
is
31:38
south
31:39
of.
31:39
Of
31:40
Portland.
31:40
And
31:41
that
31:41
one's
31:41
been
31:41
going
31:41
on
31:42
for
31:42
a
31:42
number
31:42
of
31:42
years
31:43
because
31:43
it's
31:44
a
31:44
private
31:44
lake.
31:44
When
31:44
I
31:45
purchased
31:45
my
31:46
house,
31:46
I
31:47
had
31:48
a
31:48
portion
31:49
of
31:49
the
31:49
lake
31:49
that
31:49
I
31:50
owned.
31:50
It's
31:50
on
31:50
my
31:50
deed
31:51
of
31:51
my
31:51
home,
31:52
so.
31:52
And
31:52
it
31:52
added
31:52
value
31:53
to
31:53
it
31:53
because
31:53
I
31:54
had
31:54
beach
31:54
rights,
31:54
I
31:55
had
31:55
boat
31:55
rights
31:55
at
31:56
all
31:56
these
31:56
things
31:56
I
31:56
could
31:57
do.
31:57
This
31:58
has
31:58
been
31:58
for
31:59
over
31:59
50
31:59
years,
32:00
probably
32:00
close
32:00
to
32:00
100
32:01
years,
32:01
this
32:01
has
32:01
been
32:01
a
32:01
private
32:02
lake.
32:02
It
32:02
was
32:02
a
32:03
tiny
32:04
lake
32:04
that
32:04
they
32:04
were
32:04
using
32:05
for
32:05
a
32:06
big
32:06
iron
32:07
mill
32:07
before,
32:08
and
32:08
people
32:09
started
32:09
putting
32:09
their
32:09
cabins
32:10
around
32:10
it.
32:10
And
32:11
when
32:11
they
32:11
did
32:11
that
32:11
and
32:12
they
32:12
incorporated
32:12
the
32:13
city,
32:13
so
32:14
many
32:14
houses
32:14
around
32:15
owned
32:16
part
32:16
of
32:16
that
32:16
lake
32:16
because
32:16
it
32:17
was
32:17
done
32:17
over
32:17
private
32:17
property.
32:18
And
32:18
that's
32:18
how
32:18
they
32:18
maintained
32:19
the
32:19
lake
32:19
and.
32:20
And
32:20
all
32:20
the
32:20
other
32:20
stuff.
32:21
Well,
32:21
now
32:22
the
32:22
state
32:22
is
32:23
saying
32:23
that,
32:23
well,
32:23
shoot,
32:24
that's
32:25
not
32:25
a
32:25
private
32:25
lake.
32:26
All
32:26
our.
32:26
All
32:27
our
32:27
waterways
32:28
are
32:29
navigable
32:29
and
32:30
public,
32:31
including
32:31
your
32:32
private
32:32
lake
32:32
that
32:32
they
32:33
own.
32:33
But
32:33
they're
32:33
not
32:34
paying
32:34
anyone
32:35
for
32:35
taking
32:36
away
32:37
their.
32:37
I
32:37
mean,
32:38
that
32:38
added
32:38
40,000
32:39
bucks
32:39
to
32:39
the
32:39
price
32:40
of
32:40
my
32:40
home.
32:41
They
32:41
take
32:41
that
32:41
away.
32:42
I'm
32:42
like,
32:42
where
32:43
is.
32:43
Where's
32:43
my
32:44
compensation
32:44
for
32:44
that?
32:45
There
32:45
you
32:45
go.
32:46
Right?
32:46
I
32:46
mean,
32:46
there
32:46
is
32:47
a
32:47
way.
32:47
If
32:47
they
32:47
want
32:47
to
32:47
turn
32:48
your
32:48
lake
32:48
into
32:49
a
32:49
state
32:50
park,
32:51
pretty
32:51
likely
32:51
there's
32:52
not
32:52
a
32:52
whole
32:52
lot
32:53
you
32:53
can
32:53
do
32:53
about
32:53
it.
32:54
If
32:54
they
32:54
do
32:54
it
32:54
the
32:54
right
32:54
way,
32:55
which
32:55
is
32:55
use
32:56
the
32:56
eminent
32:56
domain
32:57
power,
32:58
take
32:58
it
32:58
for
32:58
public
32:58
use,
33:00
and
33:00
then
33:01
what
33:01
you.
33:01
The
33:01
bar
33:01
you
33:02
note,
33:02
compensate
33:03
you
33:03
at
33:03
the
33:03
fair
33:04
market
33:04
value
33:04
for
33:05
what
33:05
you
33:05
lost.
33:06
Yeah.
33:07
And
33:08
fortunately,
33:09
there
33:09
is
33:09
a.
33:11
I
33:11
won't
33:11
say
33:11
obscure,
33:12
but
33:13
a
33:13
little
33:13
known.
33:14
Maybe
33:14
that's
33:14
the
33:15
same
33:15
definition,
33:15
but
33:16
a
33:16
little
33:16
known
33:16
U.S.
33:17
supreme
33:17
Court
33:18
case
33:18
from
33:18
1980,
33:20
same
33:20
thing.
33:21
It
33:21
was
33:21
a
33:21
private
33:21
marina
33:22
in
33:22
Hawaii
33:24
that
33:24
the
33:24
Corps
33:24
of
33:25
Engineers
33:25
said,
33:25
everybody,
33:26
hey,
33:26
come
33:26
on
33:26
in,
33:27
water's
33:27
fine.
33:28
Navigate
33:29
from
33:29
the
33:29
ocean
33:29
and
33:30
go
33:30
water
33:30
skiing
33:31
in
33:31
this
33:31
private
33:31
marina.
33:31
And
33:32
the
33:32
Corps
33:32
declared
33:33
that
33:33
it
33:33
was
33:33
open
33:33
for
33:33
public
33:34
use
33:34
because
33:34
it
33:34
was
33:35
navigable.
33:36
And
33:36
the
33:37
owners
33:37
objected
33:37
and
33:38
took
33:38
the
33:38
case
33:38
all
33:38
the
33:38
way
33:39
to
33:39
the
33:39
U.S.
33:39
supreme
33:39
Court.
33:40
And
33:40
5
33:40
to
33:40
4
33:40
want
33:41
a
33:41
decision
33:41
that
33:41
said,
33:42
no,
33:42
if
33:42
it's
33:42
private
33:43
under
33:43
state
33:43
law,
33:44
has
33:44
been
33:44
private
33:45
for
33:45
a
33:45
long
33:46
time,
33:46
that
33:47
the.
33:48
The
33:48
government
33:48
cannot
33:49
just
33:49
declare
33:49
that
33:50
it's
33:50
open
33:50
and
33:51
public
33:51
property.
33:52
The
33:52
only
33:53
way
33:53
to
33:53
do
33:53
it
33:53
properly
33:54
is
33:54
to
33:54
take
33:55
it
33:55
by
33:55
eminent
33:55
domain
33:56
and
33:56
the.
33:56
The
33:57
processes
33:57
and
33:57
protections,
33:58
including
33:58
compensation
33:59
that
33:59
you
33:59
have
34:00
there.
34:00
You
34:00
can't
34:01
just
34:01
say,
34:01
hey,
34:01
this
34:02
is
34:02
used.
34:02
It
34:02
was
34:03
private
34:03
property
34:03
yesterday,
34:04
but
34:04
today
34:04
it
34:04
public
34:05
without
34:05
doing
34:06
something.
34:07
So
34:07
that's.
34:07
That's
34:08
a.
34:08
That's
34:08
a
34:09
fascinating
34:09
case.
34:10
And
34:10
again,
34:10
back
34:11
to
34:11
Oregon
34:12
among
34:13
us
34:13
dirt
34:13
lawyers
34:14
is
34:15
famous
34:16
or
34:16
infamous
34:17
for
34:17
a
34:18
case
34:18
from
34:18
your
34:18
Oregon
34:19
Supreme
34:19
Court
34:20
that
34:20
did
34:20
that
34:21
with
34:21
respect
34:21
to
34:21
the
34:22
beach
34:22
rights
34:22
in
34:23
Cannon
34:23
beach
34:24
of
34:24
all
34:24
places,
34:25
that
34:26
for
34:26
a
34:26
longest
34:27
time,
34:27
Oregon
34:28
law
34:28
considered
34:29
certain
34:29
portions
34:30
of
34:30
the
34:30
beach
34:30
private.
34:32
Well,
34:32
along
34:32
comes
34:33
a
34:33
challenger
34:34
to
34:34
say
34:34
we
34:34
want
34:34
to
34:34
use
34:34
this,
34:35
that
34:35
or
34:35
the
34:35
other
34:35
thing
34:36
along
34:37
the
34:37
beach
34:37
and
34:38
along
34:38
a
34:39
riparian
34:40
or
34:40
properties
34:40
near
34:41
next
34:42
to
34:42
that
34:42
that
34:42
are
34:43
adjoining
34:43
waterways,
34:44
whether
34:44
it's
34:44
the
34:45
ocean
34:45
or
34:45
the
34:45
rivers.
34:46
And
34:47
there's
34:47
this
34:47
thing
34:48
called.
34:48
This
34:48
little
34:48
doctrine
34:49
called
34:49
the
34:49
public
34:49
trust
34:50
that
34:50
we
34:50
have
34:50
the
34:51
right
34:51
to.
34:52
Goes
34:52
back
34:52
to
34:52
Roman
34:53
days
34:53
that
34:54
people
34:54
have
34:54
the
34:54
right
34:54
to
34:55
use
34:56
navigable
34:56
waters.
34:57
But
34:57
the
34:58
Oregon
34:58
Supreme
34:58
Court
34:59
said
34:59
that
34:59
right
34:59
also
35:00
includes
35:00
the
35:00
right
35:01
to
35:01
access
35:01
navigable
35:02
waters.
35:03
Even
35:03
if
35:04
Oregon
35:04
law
35:04
for
35:05
the
35:05
longest
35:05
time
35:06
said
35:06
that.
35:06
That
35:07
it
35:07
had
35:07
to
35:07
cross
35:08
over
35:08
what
35:08
was
35:08
Oregon
35:09
law
35:09
said
35:09
was
35:10
private
35:10
property.
35:11
Well,
35:11
the
35:11
court
35:11
kind
35:12
of
35:12
did
35:12
a
35:12
little
35:12
sleight
35:13
of
35:13
hand,
35:13
in
35:13
my
35:14
opinion,
35:15
and
35:15
rewrote
35:16
150
35:16
Years
35:17
of
35:17
Oregon
35:17
law
35:18
to
35:18
declare
35:19
the
35:19
property
35:20
public
35:20
and
35:21
never
35:21
was
35:21
private,
35:22
notwithstanding
35:23
what
35:23
150
35:24
years
35:24
of
35:24
Oregon
35:25
law
35:25
said.
35:26
So
35:26
you
35:26
have
35:27
to
35:27
be
35:27
a
35:27
little
35:27
bit
35:27
careful
35:28
about
35:28
those
35:29
type
35:29
of
35:29
things.
35:30
Unfortunately,
35:31
there's
35:32
a.
35:32
We
35:32
can
35:32
again,
35:33
we
35:33
can
35:33
talk
35:33
about
35:33
these
35:34
situations
35:35
over
35:35
and
35:36
over
35:36
where
35:36
that
35:36
happened.
35:37
Yeah.
35:37
And
35:37
we're
35:38
in
35:38
the
35:38
business
35:38
of
35:38
trying
35:39
to
35:39
take
35:40
that
35:40
little
35:41
obscure
35:41
case
35:42
from
35:42
Hawaii
35:43
that
35:43
the
35:43
U.S.
35:44
supreme
35:44
Court
35:45
decided
35:45
favorably
35:45
in
35:46
the
35:46
property
35:46
owner
35:46
and
35:47
remind
35:47
people
35:47
that
35:48
it's
35:48
still
35:48
the
35:48
law
35:49
that
35:49
you
35:49
can't
35:50
do
35:50
things
35:50
like
35:51
it
35:51
sounds
35:51
like
35:51
they're
35:52
doing
35:52
to
35:52
you
35:52
at
35:52
the
35:52
lake.
35:53
Yeah,
35:54
yeah.
35:54
I
35:54
just
35:54
sold
35:55
my
35:55
house
35:55
this
35:55
last
35:55
year,
35:56
so
35:56
I
35:56
did
35:57
take
35:57
some.
35:58
I
35:58
would
35:58
say
35:58
I
35:58
took
35:59
a
35:59
loss
35:59
a
35:59
little
35:59
bit
36:00
on
36:00
that
36:00
because
36:00
people
36:00
are
36:01
like,
36:01
well,
36:01
who
36:01
knows
36:02
how
36:02
that's
36:02
gonna
36:02
go?
36:03
The
36:04
Supreme
36:04
Court
36:05
in
36:05
Oregon
36:06
gain
36:06
let
36:06
said,
36:07
okay,
36:07
well,
36:07
now
36:08
you
36:08
have.
36:08
People
36:09
can
36:09
access
36:10
the
36:10
lake
36:10
even
36:10
though
36:11
it's.
36:11
They've
36:11
made
36:11
it
36:12
very
36:12
hard
36:12
to
36:12
do
36:12
it.
36:12
They
36:13
have
36:13
to
36:13
kind
36:13
of
36:13
crawl
36:13
down
36:14
a
36:14
sea
36:14
wall
36:14
and,
36:15
And.
36:15
And
36:16
to
36:16
get
36:16
in
36:16
there.
36:16
So
36:17
somebody
36:17
in
36:17
theory
36:18
could
36:18
get
36:18
in
36:18
there
36:18
with
36:19
a.
36:19
With
36:20
a
36:20
paddle
36:20
board
36:21
or
36:21
something,
36:21
but
36:21
there's
36:22
absolutely
36:22
no
36:23
physical
36:23
way
36:24
yet
36:24
for
36:25
them
36:25
because
36:25
they
36:25
haven't
36:26
taken
36:26
the.
36:26
Everything's
36:27
private
36:27
around
36:27
there.
36:28
So
36:28
there
36:28
wasn't
36:28
a
36:28
public
36:29
boat
36:29
launch
36:29
because
36:30
it
36:30
was
36:30
private.
36:30
So
36:31
it's
36:31
all
36:31
private.
36:32
Property.
36:32
But
36:32
the
36:33
only
36:33
city
36:33
park
36:33
that's
36:34
up
36:34
against
36:34
it,
36:34
you
36:34
have
36:34
to
36:35
climb
36:35
down
36:35
a
36:35
little
36:35
seawall,
36:36
go
36:36
across
36:36
some
36:36
rocks
36:36
and,
36:37
and
36:37
you
36:37
could
36:37
get
36:38
in
36:38
down
36:38
there.
36:38
But
36:39
I'm
36:39
just
36:39
waiting
36:40
for
36:40
phase
36:40
two.
36:40
Right.
36:41
What
36:41
do
36:41
they,
36:41
what
36:42
type
36:42
of
36:42
boats?
36:42
I
36:43
mean,
36:43
do
36:43
they.
36:43
Is
36:43
there.
36:44
If
36:44
there's
36:44
no
36:44
launch
36:44
facility,
36:45
they
36:45
bring
36:45
in
36:45
kayaks
36:46
and,
36:47
and
36:47
rafts?
36:47
Well,
36:48
for
36:48
that
36:48
there
36:49
are
36:50
launch
36:50
facilities,
36:50
but
36:51
those
36:51
are
36:52
part
36:52
of
36:52
what
36:52
they
36:53
call
36:53
these
36:53
easements
36:54
that
36:54
are
36:55
for
36:55
the
36:55
owners
36:56
that
36:56
are.
36:57
So
36:57
I
36:57
had
36:57
the
36:58
ability
36:58
to
36:58
join
36:59
one
36:59
of
37:00
three
37:00
easements.
37:01
And
37:01
so
37:01
you
37:01
pay
37:02
for
37:02
the
37:02
maintenance
37:02
of
37:03
that
37:03
easement
37:03
and
37:03
it'll
37:04
have
37:04
a
37:04
bow
37:04
launch,
37:04
it'll
37:05
have
37:05
a
37:05
dock,
37:05
it'll
37:06
have
37:06
picnic
37:07
spots
37:07
and
37:07
boats
37:08
you
37:08
can
37:08
borrow
37:09
or
37:09
kayaks
37:10
you
37:10
can
37:10
borrow
37:10
and
37:10
canoes
37:11
and
37:11
stuff
37:11
like
37:11
that.
37:12
But
37:12
you
37:12
could
37:12
go
37:12
out
37:13
skiing
37:13
and
37:13
stuff
37:13
on
37:13
it,
37:14
no
37:14
problem.
37:15
The
37:15
public
37:15
can't
37:16
use
37:16
those.
37:16
Right?
37:16
The
37:17
public
37:17
can't
37:17
do
37:17
it.
37:17
But
37:18
they
37:18
just
37:18
gave
37:18
them
37:18
right
37:19
to
37:19
put
37:19
their
37:19
own
37:19
kayaks
37:20
or
37:20
something
37:20
on
37:20
there.
37:21
So.
37:21
Okay,
37:21
that's
37:22
the
37:22
first,
37:22
that's
37:23
kind
37:23
of
37:23
the
37:23
slippery
37:23
slope
37:24
of
37:24
the
37:24
first
37:24
part
37:24
through
37:25
the
37:25
Supreme
37:25
Court
37:25
there.
37:25
But
37:26
I
37:26
bet
37:26
you
37:26
there's
37:27
10
37:27
more
37:27
years
37:27
of
37:27
court
37:28
cases
37:28
in
37:28
that
37:28
beast.
37:29
Yep.
37:29
And,
37:29
and
37:30
another
37:30
one
37:30
to
37:31
watch
37:31
is
37:31
we've
37:31
got
37:31
a
37:32
case
37:32
that
37:32
originated
37:33
in
37:33
a
37:33
New
37:33
Mexico
37:34
non
37:34
navigable
37:35
river,
37:35
non
37:35
navigable
37:36
stream.
37:37
And
37:38
the
37:38
public
37:38
was
37:39
coming
37:39
in
37:40
and
37:40
using
37:41
that.
37:41
It's
37:41
not
37:41
supposed
37:42
to
37:42
be
37:42
publicly
37:42
accessible
37:43
because
37:43
it's
37:44
non
37:44
navigable.
37:44
It's
37:45
private
37:45
property.
37:46
Not
37:46
only
37:46
the
37:46
riverbed,
37:47
but
37:47
the,
37:48
the
37:48
access
37:49
to
37:50
that
37:50
thing.
37:51
But
37:51
the
37:51
state
37:51
of
37:52
New
37:52
Mexico
37:52
sort
37:53
of
37:53
rewrote
37:53
the
37:53
laws
37:54
and
37:54
put
37:54
up,
37:55
effectively
37:55
put
37:56
up
37:56
a
37:56
sign
37:56
telling
37:57
the
37:57
public
37:57
come
37:57
on
37:57
in.
37:58
And
37:58
because
37:59
of
37:59
that,
37:59
not
37:59
only
38:00
was
38:00
the
38:01
owner's
38:02
quiet
38:02
enjoyment
38:03
of
38:03
the
38:03
property
38:04
disturbed,
38:04
but
38:05
of
38:05
course
38:05
people
38:05
come
38:05
in
38:06
and
38:06
have
38:06
a
38:07
party
38:07
on
38:07
the
38:07
stream
38:08
and
38:08
kind
38:08
of,
38:09
they're
38:09
not
38:09
good
38:09
stewards
38:10
of
38:10
the
38:10
land
38:11
and,
38:11
and
38:11
our
38:12
clients
38:12
had
38:12
to
38:13
keep
38:13
it
38:14
up
38:14
or,
38:14
and
38:15
clean
38:15
it
38:15
up
38:15
all
38:15
the
38:16
time.
38:17
And
38:17
we're
38:17
now
38:17
taking
38:18
that
38:18
case.
38:18
We
38:18
unfortunately
38:19
we
38:19
lost
38:19
those
38:20
cases
38:20
in
38:20
the
38:20
lower
38:21
courts,
38:21
but
38:21
we're
38:21
now
38:21
taking
38:21
that
38:22
case.
38:22
Supreme
38:22
Court,
38:23
US
38:23
Supreme
38:23
Court
38:24
on,
38:24
on
38:24
that
38:25
issue.
38:25
But
38:25
so
38:25
yeah,
38:26
your,
38:26
your
38:27
situation
38:27
is
38:28
not
38:28
unfortunately
38:29
limited
38:30
to
38:30
your.
38:30
You
38:31
and
38:31
your
38:31
lake,
38:32
but
38:32
is
38:32
one
38:32
that,
38:33
that
38:33
is
38:33
quite
38:34
common
38:35
and
38:35
frequent
38:36
across
38:36
the
38:36
country.
38:37
I'm
38:37
sure
38:38
every
38:38
state
38:39
has
38:39
their
38:39
own
38:40
issues
38:40
with
38:40
that
38:41
depending
38:41
on
38:41
where
38:41
you're
38:42
located.
38:42
But
38:42
you
38:43
guys
38:43
also
38:43
do
38:43
a
38:44
lot
38:44
of
38:44
what
38:44
I
38:44
would
38:44
call
38:44
either
38:45
separation
38:45
of
38:45
powers
38:46
or
38:46
due
38:46
process
38:46
stuff
38:47
too
38:47
out
38:47
there
38:47
from
38:48
hey,
38:49
I
38:49
permitted
38:49
this
38:50
40
38:50
years
38:50
ago,
38:50
but
38:50
now
38:51
you
38:51
want
38:51
me
38:51
to
38:51
tear
38:51
it
38:51
down?
38:52
Yeah.
38:53
I
38:53
mean,
38:53
not
38:53
only
38:54
within.
38:54
We
38:54
have
38:54
several
38:55
sort
38:55
of
38:56
distinct
38:56
units
38:57
within
38:57
Pacific.
38:58
The
38:58
firm,
38:59
the
38:59
law
38:59
firm,
38:59
Pacific
39:00
Legal
39:00
foundation,
39:01
mine
39:01
focuses
39:02
on
39:02
property
39:03
rights.
39:03
We
39:04
have
39:04
three
39:04
other
39:04
groups.
39:05
One
39:05
focuses
39:06
on
39:06
energy
39:07
and
39:07
environmental
39:08
laws
39:09
like
39:09
Clean
39:09
Water
39:10
act
39:10
and
39:10
state
39:11
overregulation
39:13
or
39:13
let's
39:13
say
39:14
in
39:14
some
39:14
states
39:15
they
39:15
have
39:15
anti
39:16
fracking
39:16
measures
39:17
in
39:17
place
39:17
and
39:17
anti
39:18
energy
39:18
measures.
39:19
We
39:19
have
39:19
another
39:20
group,
39:20
as
39:20
you
39:20
say,
39:21
focuses
39:21
on
39:22
maybe
39:22
a
39:22
more
39:23
technical
39:23
issue
39:23
of
39:24
separation
39:24
of
39:24
powers.
39:25
And
39:26
it's
39:26
essentially
39:26
trying
39:27
to
39:27
curb
39:27
in
39:28
excesses
39:29
in
39:30
our
39:30
system.
39:31
Doesn't
39:31
like
39:31
concentration
39:32
of
39:32
power
39:32
in
39:32
any
39:32
particular
39:33
branch
39:34
of
39:34
government.
39:35
We
39:35
tend
39:35
not
39:36
to
39:36
be
39:36
that
39:36
trustful,
39:37
I
39:37
suppose,
39:37
of
39:38
government.
39:38
And
39:38
the
39:38
more
39:38
that
39:39
power
39:39
is
39:39
confused
39:40
and
39:40
distributed,
39:40
the
39:41
better
39:41
off
39:41
we
39:41
all
39:41
are.
39:43
We
39:43
see
39:43
that
39:43
trend
39:44
going
39:44
in
39:44
the
39:44
other
39:44
direction.
39:45
And
39:45
so
39:45
we've
39:45
got
39:45
a
39:46
group
39:46
set
39:46
up
39:47
designed
39:48
to
39:48
focus
39:48
on
39:48
those
39:49
issues.
39:50
And
39:50
the
39:50
other
39:50
issue
39:50
that
39:51
we
39:51
focus
39:51
on
39:51
a
39:52
lot
39:52
is
39:52
called
39:52
equality
39:53
and
39:53
opportunity.
39:54
That
39:54
somewhere
39:55
in
39:55
the
39:56
mix
39:56
we
39:57
think
39:57
the
39:58
idea
39:58
of
39:59
equality
40:00
in
40:00
the
40:00
law
40:00
has
40:01
really
40:01
become
40:01
inequality
40:02
in
40:02
the
40:02
law
40:03
in
40:04
favor
40:04
of
40:04
particular
40:05
people
40:05
or
40:05
groups
40:06
or
40:06
things.
40:07
And
40:08
we
40:08
have
40:08
a
40:08
group
40:09
set
40:09
up
40:09
designed
40:10
to
40:10
look
40:10
for
40:10
those
40:10
type
40:10
of
40:11
cases
40:11
as
40:11
well.
40:12
Yeah,
40:13
yeah,
40:13
it's
40:14
wild.
40:14
I
40:14
mean,
40:14
and
40:15
then,
40:15
and
40:15
again
40:15
I
40:15
see
40:15
stuff
40:16
here
40:16
where
40:16
we're
40:17
seeing
40:17
battles
40:17
here
40:17
in
40:17
Oregon
40:18
just.
40:18
Just
40:19
because
40:19
I
40:19
see
40:19
it
40:19
in
40:19
the
40:19
news
40:19
here
40:20
and
40:20
it's
40:20
local.
40:20
But
40:21
you've
40:21
got
40:21
issues
40:22
now
40:22
that
40:22
it's
40:23
been
40:23
going
40:23
through
40:23
the
40:23
courts
40:24
where
40:24
the
40:25
state
40:25
says,
40:25
well,
40:25
you
40:25
have
40:26
to
40:26
use
40:26
a
40:26
union
40:26
person
40:27
for
40:27
this
40:27
job.
40:28
And
40:29
those
40:29
kind
40:29
of
40:30
things
40:30
also
40:30
get
40:30
interesting
40:31
too
40:31
because
40:32
again,
40:33
they're
40:33
telling
40:33
you
40:33
who
40:33
you
40:34
can
40:34
hire
40:34
and
40:34
who
40:34
you
40:34
can't
40:35
due
40:35
to.
40:35
Not
40:36
because
40:36
of
40:36
the
40:36
quality
40:36
of
40:36
the
40:36
work,
40:37
but
40:37
just
40:37
you
40:37
have
40:37
to
40:37
follow
40:38
this
40:39
because
40:39
they
40:39
want
40:39
to
40:39
support
40:40
an.
40:40
Organization
40:41
forcing
40:41
employees
40:42
who
40:44
don't
40:44
want
40:44
to
40:44
be
40:44
in
40:44
the
40:45
union
40:45
or
40:45
don't
40:46
want
40:46
to
40:46
have
40:46
their
40:46
union
40:47
dues
40:47
go
40:47
to.
40:48
Let's
40:49
say
40:49
if
40:49
a
40:49
union
40:50
makes
40:50
endorses
40:51
political
40:51
candidates
40:52
or
40:52
makes
40:52
political
40:53
statements
40:53
saying,
40:53
hey,
40:54
okay,
40:54
hey,
40:54
I
40:54
don't
40:54
want.
40:55
These
40:55
are
40:55
mandatory
40:56
union
40:56
dues.
40:57
So
40:57
you're
40:58
effectively
40:58
putting
40:59
words
40:59
in
40:59
my
40:59
mouth
41:00
that
41:00
I
41:01
don't
41:01
agree
41:01
with.
41:01
Right.
41:02
I
41:02
have
41:02
to
41:02
pay
41:02
for
41:03
a
41:03
union
41:03
that
41:03
goes
41:04
out
41:04
and
41:04
makes
41:04
political
41:04
statements.
41:06
So
41:06
you
41:06
see
41:06
some
41:06
of
41:06
that
41:07
as
41:07
well,
41:07
right?
41:08
Pretty
41:08
commonly,
41:09
yeah.
41:09
And
41:09
the
41:10
U.S.
41:10
supreme
41:10
Court
41:11
and
41:11
several
41:11
state
41:12
courts
41:12
have
41:12
dealt
41:13
with
41:13
that
41:13
issue
41:13
lately.
41:14
And
41:14
that's
41:14
held
41:15
handled
41:15
by
41:15
one,
41:16
one
41:16
of
41:16
the
41:16
other
41:16
groups
41:17
I
41:17
just
41:17
mentioned
41:17
within
41:18
our
41:19
law
41:19
firm
41:19
does
41:19
that.
41:19
We
41:20
don't
41:20
do
41:20
that
41:20
within
41:20
my
41:21
property
41:21
rights
41:21
group.
41:22
My
41:23
colleagues
41:23
do
41:23
that
41:23
and
41:24
others.
41:24
So
41:24
if
41:24
you
41:24
have
41:24
a
41:24
case
41:25
like
41:25
that,
41:25
give
41:25
them
41:25
a
41:25
call.
41:26
Yeah.
41:27
The
41:27
other
41:27
one
41:27
I'm
41:27
seeing
41:27
too
41:28
is
41:28
just
41:29
building
41:29
department
41:29
issue
41:30
stuff.
41:30
That's
41:31
just
41:31
way
41:31
crazy.
41:32
I
41:32
mean
41:32
great
41:32
example
41:33
city
41:33
of
41:33
Portland
41:34
here,
41:34
when
41:35
they
41:35
took
41:35
all
41:36
of
41:36
their
41:36
permits
41:37
and
41:37
went
41:38
electronic
41:38
with
41:39
them,
41:39
they
41:40
somehow
41:40
lost
41:40
about
41:41
eight
41:41
years
41:41
of
41:42
permits
41:43
in
41:43
that
41:43
transition.
41:45
So
41:45
I
41:45
have
41:46
had
41:46
multiple
41:46
clients
41:47
go
41:47
through
41:47
projects
41:49
where
41:49
they
41:50
were
41:50
told
41:51
by
41:51
the
41:51
previous
41:51
homeowner
41:52
they
41:52
have
41:52
plans
41:53
with
41:53
a
41:53
permit
41:53
stamp
41:54
on
41:54
it
41:55
that
41:55
it
41:55
was
41:55
accepted,
41:56
but
41:57
there's
41:58
no
41:58
record
41:58
of
41:58
it.
41:59
And
41:59
the
41:59
city
41:59
goes,
42:00
well
42:00
prove
42:00
that
42:00
you
42:00
got
42:01
a
42:01
permit.
42:01
Yep.
42:02
And
42:02
they
42:02
put
42:02
the
42:03
burden
42:03
on
42:03
you.
42:04
Yep.
42:04
That
42:05
I
42:05
know
42:05
of
42:05
at
42:05
least
42:06
one
42:06
other
42:06
situation
42:07
like
42:07
that
42:07
invalidating
42:09
something
42:09
like
42:09
10,000
42:10
historical
42:11
permits
42:12
and
42:13
then
42:13
now
42:13
saying
42:14
all
42:14
of
42:14
these
42:14
owners
42:15
have
42:15
either
42:15
have
42:16
illegal
42:16
structures
42:17
that
42:17
at
42:18
least
42:18
in
42:18
the
42:18
county's
42:19
position
42:21
go
42:21
back
42:21
with
42:22
daily
42:22
violations
42:23
of
42:23
I
42:23
don't
42:23
know,
42:24
$100.
42:24
But
42:24
oh,
42:25
you've
42:25
been
42:25
in
42:25
violation
42:26
by
42:26
our
42:26
records,
42:27
the
42:27
records
42:28
we
42:28
lost
42:28
or
42:29
don't
42:29
have.
42:30
You've
42:30
been
42:30
in
42:30
violation
42:30
for
42:31
25
42:31
years
42:32
at
42:32
100
42:32
bucks
42:33
a
42:33
day.
42:33
And
42:34
that
42:34
is
42:34
one
42:35
thing
42:35
we're
42:36
raising
42:36
right
42:36
now.
42:37
We're
42:37
about
42:37
to
42:38
file
42:38
a
42:39
lawsuit
42:39
against
42:40
the
42:40
city
42:40
and
42:41
county
42:41
of
42:41
Honolulu
42:42
for
42:42
the
42:43
short
42:43
term
42:43
rental
42:43
issue.
42:44
And
42:44
in,
42:44
in
42:44
the
42:44
city
42:45
and
42:45
county
42:46
it's
42:46
minimum.
42:48
Well
42:48
it
42:48
varies
42:49
but
42:49
it's
42:49
anywhere
42:50
between
42:50
minimum
42:51
30
42:51
days
42:51
or
42:52
31
42:52
days
42:53
or
42:53
whatever
42:53
it
42:53
is.
42:54
And
42:54
I
42:54
think
42:54
now
42:55
it's
42:55
up
42:55
at,
42:56
up
42:56
at
42:56
180
42:56
days.
42:57
You
42:57
can't
42:57
rent
42:58
for
42:58
less
42:58
than
42:58
180
42:59
days.
42:59
But
43:00
they,
43:00
the
43:00
important
43:00
thing
43:01
is
43:01
they
43:01
also
43:01
make
43:01
it
43:02
illegal
43:02
simply
43:03
to
43:04
advertise
43:04
your
43:05
property
43:05
for
43:05
rent.
43:06
So
43:07
it's
43:07
sounds
43:08
like
43:08
can
43:08
of
43:08
beach.
43:09
Yeah.
43:09
And,
43:10
and
43:10
when
43:10
I
43:10
ask
43:11
people
43:11
to
43:11
guess
43:11
what
43:11
the
43:11
daily
43:12
fine
43:12
is,
43:12
those
43:13
people
43:13
who
43:13
have
43:13
had
43:14
dealt
43:14
with
43:14
building
43:15
departments
43:15
and
43:16
planning
43:16
departments
43:16
before
43:17
say
43:17
I
43:17
don't
43:17
know,
43:17
150,
43:18
200
43:18
bucks
43:18
a
43:19
day.
43:19
No,
43:20
10
43:20
grand
43:20
a
43:21
day
43:21
is
43:21
the
43:21
violation,
43:22
is
43:23
the
43:23
cost.
43:23
And
43:24
so
43:24
we
43:24
have
43:24
a
43:25
client,
43:25
a,
43:25
an
43:26
81
43:26
year
43:26
old
43:27
widow
43:28
who
43:28
from
43:29
rented
43:29
her
43:29
property
43:30
on
43:30
one
43:30
of
43:30
the
43:30
electronic
43:31
platforms
43:32
and
43:32
while
43:33
she
43:33
was
43:33
in
43:33
the
43:34
hospital
43:34
due
43:34
to
43:34
a
43:35
car
43:35
accident,
43:36
somehow
43:37
her
43:38
property,
43:39
which
43:39
she
43:40
didn't
43:40
rent
43:41
for
43:42
less
43:42
than
43:42
the
43:42
minimally
43:43
allowed
43:43
legal
43:44
period
43:45
got
43:45
advertised.
43:47
Or
43:47
you
43:48
could
43:48
click
43:48
and
43:48
click
43:49
two
43:49
days
43:50
or
43:50
something
43:50
instead
43:51
of
43:51
31
43:51
days.
43:52
Yeah.
43:52
And
43:53
city
43:53
zoning
43:53
inspectors
43:54
went
43:54
and
43:54
clicked
43:54
and
43:55
sent
43:55
her
43:55
a
43:55
notice
43:56
of
43:56
violation
43:57
and
43:57
said
43:58
it
43:58
took
43:58
her
43:58
59
43:59
days
43:59
once
43:59
she
43:59
got
44:00
out
44:00
of
44:00
the
44:00
hospital.
44:01
Oh,
44:01
she
44:02
got
44:02
out.
44:02
Oh
44:02
my
44:03
goodness.
44:03
I
44:03
better
44:03
deal
44:04
with
44:04
this.
44:04
Dealt
44:04
with
44:05
it.
44:05
Fixed
44:05
it
44:05
within
44:06
two
44:06
Minutes
44:06
dealt
44:07
with
44:07
the
44:07
platform
44:07
and
44:07
said,
44:08
hey,
44:08
get
44:08
that.
44:08
Don't
44:09
make
44:09
it
44:09
so
44:09
people
44:10
can
44:10
click.
44:10
Two
44:11
days
44:11
only.
44:11
It's
44:11
30
44:12
days
44:12
here
44:12
in
44:12
Honolulu.
44:13
They
44:14
did,
44:14
but
44:15
Meanwhile,
44:15
it
44:15
was
44:15
59
44:16
days
44:16
at
44:16
10
44:17
grand
44:17
a
44:17
day.
44:18
So
44:18
the
44:18
city's
44:18
coming
44:18
after
44:19
her
44:19
for
44:19
$590,000.
44:23
Wow.
44:23
That
44:23
makes
44:23
my
44:24
thousand
44:24
dollar
44:24
fine
44:25
for
44:25
using
44:25
the
44:25
solo
44:26
stove
44:26
in
44:26
the
44:26
driveway
44:27
looks
44:27
small.
44:27
Yeah.
44:28
Or
44:29
your
44:29
fire
44:29
pit.
44:30
Right,
44:30
Exactly.
44:32
I
44:32
mean,
44:32
we
44:33
look
44:33
for
44:33
those
44:33
type
44:34
of
44:34
cases
44:34
as
44:34
well.
44:34
And
44:35
again,
44:35
fortunately
44:36
for
44:37
us,
44:37
the
44:37
US
44:38
Constitution
44:38
and
44:39
state
44:39
constitutions
44:40
bar
44:40
what
44:40
they
44:40
call
44:40
excessive
44:41
fines.
44:42
Yes.
44:42
And
44:43
we
44:43
think
44:43
10
44:43
grand
44:44
a
44:44
day
44:44
for
44:44
a
44:45
mistake,
44:46
kind
44:46
of.
44:47
If
44:47
there
44:47
was
44:47
a
44:47
definition,
44:48
an
44:48
example
44:49
in
44:49
the
44:49
dictionary
44:50
of
44:50
what
44:50
an
44:50
excessive
44:51
fine
44:51
is,
44:51
that
44:51
would
44:51
qualify.
44:52
No
44:53
kidding.
44:53
Especially
44:53
when
44:54
it's
44:54
an
44:54
administration
44:55
issue
44:55
of
44:56
a
44:56
website
44:56
that
44:56
she's
44:57
not
44:57
in
44:57
control
44:57
of.
44:58
Right.
44:58
And
44:58
it's
44:58
not
44:59
like
44:59
she
44:59
rented
44:59
it
44:59
or
45:00
intended
45:00
to
45:00
rent
45:01
it,
45:01
or
45:01
these
45:02
guys
45:02
showed
45:02
up
45:02
and
45:03
said,
45:03
I
45:03
have
45:03
a
45:03
reservation,
45:04
you
45:04
have
45:04
to
45:04
honor
45:04
it.
45:04
She'd
45:05
say,
45:05
I
45:05
can't.
45:05
It's
45:05
illegal.
45:06
Right.
45:06
Yeah.
45:07
I
45:07
mean,
45:07
that
45:07
was,
45:07
That's
45:07
a,
45:08
that's
45:08
a
45:08
property.
45:09
That's
45:09
a
45:09
VRBO
45:10
or
45:11
Airbnb
45:12
or
45:12
whoever
45:12
was
45:13
administrating
45:13
that.
45:14
I
45:14
have
45:14
no
45:14
idea
45:14
who
45:14
it
45:14
was,
45:14
but
45:15
it
45:15
was.
45:15
That's
45:15
their
45:16
problem.
45:16
But
45:17
it's
45:17
now
45:17
her
45:17
problem
45:18
because
45:18
it's
45:19
costing
45:19
her
45:20
tons
45:20
of
45:20
money
45:20
for
45:20
that.
45:21
So
45:21
look
45:22
for
45:22
that
45:22
one.
45:22
One
45:23
of
45:23
the.
45:23
Not
45:24
very
45:24
soon.
45:25
Yeah.
45:27
When
45:27
we
45:27
will
45:27
launch
45:28
that
45:28
one.
45:28
But
45:29
yeah,
45:29
I
45:29
mean,
45:29
again,
45:30
there's.
45:30
There's
45:30
not
45:31
a.
45:31
You
45:31
wish
45:32
there
45:32
wasn't.
45:32
Maybe
45:32
in
45:33
my.
45:34
My
45:34
dream
45:34
is
45:34
to
45:35
have
45:35
the
45:35
world
45:36
such
45:36
that
45:36
I'd
45:37
have
45:37
to
45:37
go
45:37
be
45:37
a.
45:38
I
45:38
don't
45:39
know,
45:39
a.
45:39
A
45:40
estate
45:40
planning
45:41
lawyer
45:41
or
45:41
something
45:42
like
45:42
that.
45:42
Because
45:43
none
45:43
of
45:43
these
45:43
problems
45:44
would
45:44
exist.
45:44
Right.
45:45
That
45:45
everybody.
45:46
The
45:46
government
45:47
played
45:47
by
45:48
the
45:48
rules,
45:49
did
45:49
not
45:49
come
45:49
after
45:50
people
45:50
like
45:51
this.
45:51
But
45:51
I
45:51
have
45:52
to
45:52
say,
45:52
unfortunately,
45:53
I
45:53
don't
45:53
think
45:53
there's
45:53
any
45:53
danger
45:54
of
45:54
us
45:54
being
45:54
put
45:54
out
45:55
of
45:55
business
45:55
anytime
45:56
soon
45:56
because
45:56
they
45:57
keep
45:57
doing
45:57
it
45:58
and
45:58
it.
45:58
Seems
45:59
like
45:59
it's
45:59
getting
45:59
worse,
46:00
not
46:00
better.
46:01
A
46:01
lot.
46:01
Those
46:02
of
46:02
us
46:02
who've
46:02
been
46:02
around
46:02
for
46:03
a
46:03
while
46:03
have
46:03
seen.
46:04
Seen
46:04
a
46:04
lot.
46:05
What's
46:06
very
46:06
good
46:06
now
46:07
is
46:07
that
46:08
with
46:09
the
46:09
Internet,
46:09
with
46:10
social
46:10
media,
46:11
with
46:11
media
46:12
itself,
46:13
they
46:13
cover
46:13
these
46:14
stories
46:14
that
46:14
would
46:15
before,
46:15
would
46:15
never
46:15
make
46:16
anything
46:16
maybe,
46:16
but
46:17
the
46:17
local
46:17
paper.
46:18
And
46:18
so
46:18
there's
46:19
an
46:19
opportunity
46:20
to
46:20
find
46:21
out
46:21
more
46:21
what's
46:22
going
46:22
on.
46:22
And
46:22
I've,
46:23
I've
46:23
wondered
46:23
that
46:24
same
46:24
thing
46:24
that
46:24
you.
46:25
Is
46:25
it
46:25
that
46:25
it's
46:25
happening
46:26
more?
46:27
Is
46:27
it
46:27
that
46:27
we
46:27
know
46:27
about,
46:28
that
46:28
it's
46:28
happening
46:29
more?
46:31
Yeah,
46:32
I'VE
46:32
been
46:33
around
46:33
doing
46:33
this
46:33
for
46:34
35
46:35
years
46:35
or
46:35
so.
46:36
And
46:36
so
46:36
I'm
46:36
so
46:37
into
46:37
it
46:37
that,
46:38
oh,
46:38
it's
46:39
always
46:39
been
46:39
this
46:39
way,
46:39
but
46:40
maybe
46:40
it
46:40
hasn't.
46:40
Is
46:41
it,
46:41
is
46:41
it
46:41
getting
46:42
worse?
46:43
Yeah.
46:43
And
46:43
I
46:43
think
46:43
before,
46:44
to
46:44
be
46:44
honest,
46:44
I
46:45
think
46:45
what
46:45
might
46:45
happen
46:46
too
46:46
is
46:46
you
46:46
have
46:46
your,
46:47
your
46:47
local,
46:47
let's
46:48
call
46:48
it
46:48
your
46:48
local
46:48
newspaper.
46:49
They
46:50
maybe
46:50
don't
46:50
want
46:50
to
46:51
step
46:51
on
46:51
the
46:51
toes
46:52
of
46:52
the
46:52
local
46:53
commissioners
46:54
and
46:54
hey,
46:55
let's,
46:55
let's,
46:56
let's
46:56
do
46:56
a
46:56
little
46:56
tiny
46:57
story
46:57
on
46:57
the
46:57
back
46:57
of
46:58
the
46:58
B
46:58
section
46:59
or
46:59
something
46:59
and
47:00
you
47:00
bury.
47:00
It
47:00
where
47:01
nowadays
47:01
it's
47:01
facility,
47:02
right?
47:03
Where
47:03
they
47:03
have
47:03
the
47:03
weekly
47:04
menu
47:04
at
47:04
the,
47:04
of
47:04
the
47:05
senior
47:05
facility
47:05
or
47:06
the
47:06
school.
47:07
It's
47:08
buried
47:08
in
47:08
there
47:08
and
47:08
they
47:09
covered
47:09
it.
47:09
But
47:09
really
47:10
now
47:10
I
47:11
think
47:11
somebody
47:11
posts
47:12
it
47:12
up
47:12
on
47:12
Tik
47:12
Tok
47:13
and
47:13
it's
47:13
out
47:13
there.
47:13
Boom.
47:14
Right?
47:15
And,
47:15
and
47:16
we
47:16
see
47:16
that
47:16
too
47:17
with
47:17
the
47:17
willingness
47:18
of
47:18
lawyers.
47:19
Right.
47:20
Or
47:21
clients,
47:22
let's
47:22
say.
47:23
And
47:23
for
47:24
the
47:24
longest
47:24
time
47:24
before
47:25
I
47:25
came
47:25
to
47:26
this,
47:26
the
47:26
non
47:26
profit
47:27
that
47:27
I
47:27
work
47:27
for
47:28
now
47:28
as
47:29
a
47:29
lawyer,
47:29
that
47:30
vibe
47:30
was
47:30
definitely
47:31
there.
47:31
You
47:31
had
47:32
clients
47:33
who
47:33
had
47:34
multiple
47:35
projects
47:36
maybe
47:36
underway
47:37
and
47:38
you
47:38
didn't
47:38
want
47:38
to
47:38
be
47:39
the
47:39
guy
47:39
that
47:39
sues
47:39
the
47:40
city
47:40
because
47:40
they
47:41
did
47:41
a
47:41
bad
47:41
thing
47:42
with
47:42
respect
47:42
to
47:42
Project
47:43
A,
47:43
because
47:43
you
47:44
got
47:44
Project
47:44
B,
47:44
C,
47:45
D
47:45
and
47:45
E
47:45
there.
47:46
But
47:46
if
47:47
you
47:47
challenge
47:47
them
47:48
on
47:48
A,
47:49
there's
47:49
at
47:49
least
47:50
a
47:50
feeling
47:50
that
47:51
B,
47:51
C,
47:51
D
47:52
and
47:52
E,
47:52
you're
47:52
going
47:52
to
47:52
end
47:53
up
47:53
in
47:53
the
47:53
later
47:54
box
47:55
or
47:55
in
47:55
purgatory
47:56
someplace.
47:57
And
47:57
so
47:57
there's
47:57
that
47:58
as
47:58
well.
47:58
And,
47:59
and
47:59
there
47:59
is
48:00
a,
48:00
a
48:02
sense
48:03
that
48:03
sometimes
48:04
local
48:04
law
48:04
firms
48:05
may
48:05
not
48:05
want
48:05
to
48:06
do
48:06
that,
48:06
which
48:06
is
48:06
why
48:07
our
48:07
outfit,
48:08
one
48:08
of
48:08
the
48:08
reasons
48:09
our
48:09
outfit
48:09
was
48:09
formed
48:10
is
48:10
we
48:10
don't
48:10
have
48:10
those
48:11
kind
48:11
of
48:11
ties.
48:12
Right.
48:12
We're
48:12
not
48:12
in
48:13
the
48:13
area,
48:14
generally
48:14
speaking.
48:15
And
48:16
so
48:16
we're
48:16
not
48:16
bound
48:16
to
48:17
say
48:17
we're
48:17
worried
48:18
about
48:18
the
48:18
political
48:19
relationships
48:20
with
48:20
the
48:21
local
48:21
governments
48:21
and
48:22
appeasing
48:22
them.
48:22
We
48:22
can
48:23
look
48:24
for
48:24
cases
48:24
that
48:25
are
48:26
good
48:26
cases
48:26
to
48:27
develop
48:27
and
48:27
shape
48:28
the
48:28
law
48:29
the
48:29
right
48:29
way,
48:30
regardless
48:31
of
48:31
what
48:31
impacts
48:32
they
48:32
may
48:32
have.
48:33
That
48:33
makes
48:34
sense.
48:34
You're
48:34
not
48:34
trying
48:34
to
48:35
step
48:35
on,
48:35
you're
48:35
not
48:36
worried
48:36
about
48:36
stepping
48:36
on
48:36
Jim
48:37
and
48:37
Tina's
48:38
making
48:38
up
48:38
names
48:39
down
48:39
at
48:39
the
48:39
City
48:39
Hall.
48:40
You're
48:40
not
48:40
worried
48:40
about
48:40
stepping
48:41
on
48:41
their
48:41
toes
48:41
because
48:41
you
48:42
got
48:42
a
48:42
barbecue
48:42
with
48:42
them
48:42
next
48:43
weekend.
48:43
Precisely,
48:44
Precisely.
48:44
Makes
48:45
sense.
48:45
We
48:45
think
48:45
that's
48:46
helped,
48:46
I
48:46
mean,
48:46
in
48:46
terms
48:47
of
48:47
making
48:47
the
48:47
law
48:47
more
48:48
predictable,
48:49
more
48:49
uniform,
48:50
more,
48:50
let's
48:51
say,
48:52
government
48:52
actions
48:52
conforming
48:53
to
48:54
the
48:54
requirements
48:55
that
48:56
you
48:56
read
48:56
either
48:57
in
48:57
state
48:58
laws
48:58
or
48:59
the
48:59
U.S.
48:59
constitution
49:00
or
49:00
other
49:00
places.
49:01
The
49:02
whole
49:02
idea
49:02
of
49:02
having
49:03
these
49:03
laws
49:03
here
49:03
Is
49:04
to
49:04
make
49:04
it
49:04
so
49:04
you
49:04
and
49:05
I
49:05
know
49:05
how
49:05
to
49:05
shape
49:06
our
49:06
behavior
49:07
in
49:07
a
49:08
way
49:08
that's.
49:08
That's
49:09
predictable
49:09
and
49:10
maybe
49:10
we
49:10
hope
49:11
is
49:12
least
49:12
burdensome.
49:13
But
49:13
boy,
49:14
I've.
49:14
You've
49:15
got
49:15
to
49:15
be
49:16
a
49:16
lawyer
49:17
just
49:17
to
49:18
be
49:18
a
49:18
be.
49:19
If
49:19
you
49:19
want
49:20
to
49:20
do
49:20
some
49:20
remodelings
49:21
on
49:21
your
49:21
house,
49:21
not
49:22
only
49:22
have
49:22
to
49:22
be
49:22
your
49:22
own
49:23
gc,
49:23
you
49:23
got
49:23
to
49:24
go
49:24
be
49:24
a
49:24
lawyer
49:24
too,
49:25
right?
49:25
At.
49:26
At
49:26
your
49:26
own
49:26
risk,
49:27
right?
49:28
You,
49:28
You.
49:28
You
49:28
move
49:29
a
49:29
piece
49:29
of
49:30
dirt
49:30
that's
49:30
wrong,
49:30
and
49:31
it
49:31
turns
49:31
out
49:31
that
49:31
it's
49:32
part
49:32
of
49:32
wetlands.
49:33
Better
49:34
call
49:34
me
49:34
up
49:34
because
49:35
the
49:36
u.
49:36
S.
49:36
Attorney
49:37
could
49:37
be
49:37
knocking
49:37
on
49:37
your
49:37
door.
49:39
And
49:39
I
49:39
thought
49:39
I
49:39
had
49:39
a
49:40
dirt
49:40
field.
49:40
And
49:41
there's
49:41
literally
49:41
a
49:41
case
49:42
like
49:42
that
49:42
from
49:43
15
49:43
years
49:43
ago
49:44
at
49:44
the
49:44
u.
49:44
S.
49:44
Supreme
49:45
court.
49:45
Farmer
49:46
plowed
49:47
what
49:48
every
49:48
picture
49:49
I've
49:49
ever
49:49
seen
49:50
looks
49:50
like
49:50
just
49:51
some
49:51
fields
49:51
for
49:52
his
49:52
crops.
49:52
Well,
49:53
it
49:53
turns
49:53
out
49:53
that
49:53
it
49:53
was
49:54
deemed
49:54
wetlands
49:55
under
49:55
government
49:55
regulations.
49:56
And
49:56
so
49:56
he
49:56
got
49:57
criminally
49:57
charged
49:58
with
49:58
violation
49:59
of
49:59
the
49:59
clean
49:59
water
50:00
act.
50:00
Yeah,
50:01
it's
50:01
crazy.
50:02
It's
50:02
crazy.
50:03
You
50:03
know,
50:03
and
50:03
it's.
50:03
And
50:04
it's
50:04
everywhere.
50:04
I
50:04
mean,
50:04
it's
50:04
just.
50:05
Just
50:05
like
50:05
here
50:05
with.
50:06
We
50:06
pulled
50:06
every
50:06
permit
50:07
we
50:07
needed
50:07
to
50:07
on
50:07
that
50:08
cannon
50:08
beach
50:08
house
50:08
remodel.
50:10
And
50:10
the
50:10
inspection
50:11
for
50:12
the
50:12
permit
50:14
for
50:14
the
50:14
short
50:15
term
50:15
rental
50:15
permit
50:16
that
50:16
we
50:16
had
50:16
to
50:16
do
50:17
was
50:18
10
50:18
times
50:18
the
50:19
inspection
50:20
of
50:20
the
50:20
building
50:21
department
50:21
and
50:22
the
50:22
electrical
50:22
department.
50:23
And
50:24
it's
50:24
like,
50:24
wow,
50:26
way
50:26
deeper
50:26
inspection
50:27
than
50:27
even
50:27
what
50:27
the
50:27
building
50:27
department
50:28
was
50:28
doing.
50:29
There
50:29
was
50:29
a
50:29
study
50:30
released
50:30
not
50:30
too
50:30
long
50:31
ago
50:31
about
50:31
what
50:32
wire
50:33
home.
50:33
The
50:34
average.
50:34
The
50:34
median
50:34
home
50:35
price
50:35
in
50:35
California
50:36
something
50:36
like
50:36
900
50:37
grand.
50:38
Well,
50:38
200
50:38
grand
50:39
or
50:39
more
50:39
of
50:40
that
50:40
is
50:40
regulatory.
50:41
The
50:41
costs
50:41
of
50:42
regulatory
50:42
compliance.
50:43
And
50:44
yeah,
50:44
I'm
50:44
not
50:44
saying.
50:45
And
50:45
we're
50:45
not
50:45
saying
50:46
that
50:46
we
50:46
should
50:46
just
50:46
be
50:47
the
50:47
wild
50:47
west
50:47
and
50:47
just
50:48
build
50:48
whatever
50:48
you
50:48
want,
50:49
but
50:49
there's
50:50
got
50:50
to
50:50
be
50:50
some
50:50
kind
50:51
of
50:51
limits
50:51
to
50:51
that
50:51
because
50:52
it's.
50:52
It's
50:52
forcing
50:53
people
50:53
out.
50:54
California
50:54
had
50:55
this
50:55
massive
50:55
out
50:56
migration
50:56
of
50:57
people
50:57
moving
50:58
to
50:58
places
50:58
that
50:59
are
51:00
less
51:01
burdensome,
51:01
have
51:02
less
51:02
regular
51:03
burdensome
51:03
regulatory
51:04
schemes,
51:04
a
51:04
little
51:04
more
51:04
freedom.
51:05
Florida
51:06
is
51:06
a
51:06
prime
51:06
example.
51:07
Texas
51:07
is
51:07
a
51:07
prime
51:07
example.
51:08
But
51:09
you
51:09
know,
51:09
when.
51:09
When
51:10
you
51:10
lose
51:10
your
51:11
young
51:11
people
51:12
to
51:12
other
51:13
states
51:13
because
51:13
they
51:14
can't
51:14
afford
51:14
to
51:14
live
51:15
there
51:15
unless
51:16
they
51:16
live
51:16
in
51:16
two
51:17
or
51:17
three
51:17
generation
51:17
households
51:18
with
51:18
their
51:18
grandpa
51:19
and
51:19
grandma.
51:20
Something.
51:20
Something's
51:21
off
51:21
kilter.
51:22
That
51:22
should
51:22
tell
51:22
you
51:22
something's
51:23
off
51:23
kilter.
51:23
So
51:24
one
51:24
of
51:24
that's
51:24
what
51:25
motivates
51:25
us
51:26
in
51:26
many
51:27
circumstances
51:28
is
51:28
we're
51:29
trying
51:29
to,
51:29
you
51:29
know,
51:30
ultimately,
51:30
yeah,
51:30
we're
51:31
interested
51:31
in
51:33
shaping
51:33
government
51:33
behavior
51:34
to
51:34
the
51:34
requirements
51:35
of
51:35
law,
51:36
but
51:36
also
51:36
to
51:36
the
51:37
sort
51:37
of
51:37
the
51:37
real
51:37
consequences
51:39
of
51:40
not
51:40
doing
51:40
so.
51:41
And
51:41
that's
51:42
like,
51:42
yeah,
51:42
my
51:42
house.
51:43
I
51:43
can't
51:43
afford
51:43
a
51:43
house
51:44
because
51:44
it's
51:44
a
51:44
million
51:45
two
51:45
in
51:45
my
51:45
neighborhood.
51:47
If
51:47
I
51:47
want
51:47
to
51:47
live
51:47
in
51:48
the
51:48
neighborhood
51:48
I've
51:48
lived
51:49
in
51:49
with
51:49
my
51:49
mom
51:49
and
51:49
dad
51:50
all
51:50
my
51:50
life,
51:51
when
51:51
it
51:51
comes
51:51
time
51:52
to
51:52
leave
51:52
the
51:52
nest,
51:52
I
51:53
can't
51:53
afford
51:53
to
51:53
do
51:53
so.
51:54
Well,
51:55
that's
51:55
crazy.
51:55
I
51:55
mean
51:55
like
51:56
here
51:56
for
51:56
instance,
51:56
they
51:56
just
51:57
put
51:57
a
51:57
hold
51:57
on
51:57
it
51:57
because
51:58
they're
51:58
trying
51:58
to
51:58
get.
51:58
Because
51:59
everybody's
51:59
been
51:59
leaving
51:59
Portland.
52:00
Same
52:00
kind
52:00
of
52:00
thing.
52:01
But
52:02
as
52:02
of
52:02
a
52:03
year
52:03
ago,
52:03
if
52:03
you
52:03
were
52:03
going
52:03
to
52:04
go
52:04
pull
52:04
a
52:04
permit
52:04
to
52:04
build
52:05
a
52:05
house
52:05
on
52:05
an
52:06
existing
52:06
lot
52:06
that
52:07
maybe
52:07
had
52:07
a
52:07
burned
52:07
down
52:08
house
52:08
or
52:08
something
52:08
on
52:08
it,
52:09
you
52:09
could
52:09
spend
52:10
$90,000
52:11
on
52:11
permit
52:12
fees
52:13
because
52:13
you
52:13
had
52:13
to
52:13
give
52:14
money
52:14
to
52:14
transit,
52:15
to
52:15
the
52:15
parks,
52:15
to
52:16
water
52:17
and
52:18
all
52:18
of
52:18
those
52:18
little
52:19
hoops
52:19
to
52:19
jump
52:20
in
52:20
to
52:20
fund
52:20
all
52:21
these
52:21
other
52:21
little
52:21
pet
52:21
projects.
52:22
But
52:23
nonetheless
52:23
it
52:23
still
52:24
added
52:24
$90,000
52:25
to
52:25
the
52:25
price
52:25
of
52:25
a
52:25
house.
52:26
Yeah,
52:26
they're
52:26
very
52:26
famous
52:27
case
52:27
and
52:27
I
52:28
always
52:28
mistake
52:29
how
52:29
to
52:29
pronounce
52:29
this
52:30
town
52:31
in
52:31
Oregon.
52:32
Tiger,
52:33
Tigard.
52:34
Tiger
52:34
right
52:34
next
52:34
door
52:35
to
52:35
me.
52:35
Right
52:35
next
52:36
door
52:36
to
52:36
me.
52:36
Oh
52:36
well,
52:36
very,
52:37
very,
52:37
very
52:38
famous
52:38
case
52:38
along
52:39
fano
52:39
creek
52:40
in
52:41
yeah.
52:42
That
52:42
went
52:42
to
52:42
the
52:42
u.
52:42
S.
52:42
Supreme
52:43
court
52:43
on
52:43
those
52:43
permitting
52:44
fees.
52:45
And
52:45
the
52:45
court
52:46
said
52:46
well,
52:47
struck
52:47
down
52:48
the
52:48
city's
52:48
attempt
52:49
to
52:50
impose
52:51
a.
52:52
A
52:52
said
52:53
not
52:53
only
52:53
did
52:53
you
52:54
have
52:54
to
52:54
give
52:54
up
52:54
some
52:54
fees,
52:54
but
52:55
you
52:55
actually
52:55
give
52:55
up
52:56
a
52:56
portion
52:56
of
52:56
your.
52:56
Your
52:57
properties
52:57
for
52:57
a
52:57
bike
52:58
path
52:58
for
52:58
the.
52:58
For
52:59
what?
52:59
A
52:59
hardware.
52:59
Hardware
53:00
store
53:00
want
53:00
to
53:01
do
53:01
a
53:01
little
53:01
renovation.
53:02
And
53:02
so
53:02
the
53:02
city
53:03
said
53:03
as
53:03
a
53:03
condition
53:03
of
53:03
that,
53:04
you
53:04
gotta
53:04
give
53:04
up
53:05
a
53:05
bike
53:05
path
53:05
along
53:06
the
53:06
creek.
53:07
And
53:07
the
53:07
city's.
53:08
The
53:08
owner
53:08
was
53:09
like
53:09
what,
53:10
what
53:10
is
53:10
what
53:10
I'm
53:10
doing
53:11
have
53:11
to
53:11
do
53:11
with
53:11
a
53:11
bike
53:12
path?
53:12
The
53:12
city's
53:13
response
53:13
was
53:13
well,
53:14
we
53:14
can.
53:15
That's
53:15
why.
53:16
Yep.
53:17
I
53:18
forgot
53:18
about
53:18
that
53:18
until
53:19
you
53:19
mentioned
53:19
it.
53:19
I
53:19
remember
53:20
that
53:20
because
53:20
I
53:20
remember
53:20
that
53:20
hitting
53:21
a
53:21
number
53:21
of
53:22
years
53:22
back
53:22
and
53:23
that's
53:23
exactly
53:23
what
53:24
it
53:24
was.
53:24
Fano
53:24
creek
53:25
trail,
53:25
which
53:25
goes
53:26
right
53:26
up
53:26
the
53:26
road
53:26
from
53:27
me.
53:27
So
53:27
forever
53:27
on
53:28
the
53:28
trail.
53:29
One
53:29
of
53:29
the
53:29
conditions
53:30
when
53:30
the
53:30
owner
53:30
finally
53:31
wins
53:32
and
53:32
said
53:32
and
53:32
the
53:32
city
53:33
says
53:33
okay,
53:34
cry
53:34
uncle.
53:34
And
53:34
we
53:35
tap
53:35
out.
53:35
What
53:35
do
53:36
you
53:36
want?
53:36
Owner?
53:37
The
53:37
owner
53:37
said
53:37
well
53:38
help
53:38
me
53:38
pay
53:38
some
53:39
of
53:39
my
53:39
attorney's
53:39
fees.
53:39
And
53:40
I
53:40
want
53:40
you
53:40
to
53:40
put
53:40
a
53:40
plaque
53:42
on
53:42
the
53:42
bike
53:43
path
53:44
that
53:44
said
53:44
with
53:45
the
53:45
case
53:45
name
53:45
and
53:45
citation
53:46
from
53:47
the
53:47
u.
53:47
S.
53:47
Supreme
53:48
court
53:48
to
53:48
remind
53:48
people
53:49
of
53:49
that.
53:49
It's
53:49
very
53:49
famous
53:50
among
53:50
us
53:50
dirt
53:51
lawyers.
53:51
And
53:51
we
53:51
go
53:52
there
53:52
and
53:52
let
53:52
take
53:52
pictures
53:53
of
53:53
the
53:53
plaque
53:53
that's
53:54
Set
53:54
into
53:54
the
53:54
ground
53:55
right
53:55
there
53:55
on
53:55
the
53:55
bike
53:56
path.
53:56
Okay.
53:57
I
53:57
think
53:57
for
53:57
this
53:58
episode,
53:58
we're
53:58
gonna
53:58
have
53:58
to.
53:59
I'm
53:59
gonna
53:59
have
53:59
to
53:59
go
53:59
find
54:00
that
54:00
and
54:00
use
54:00
that
54:01
as
54:01
our
54:01
cover.
54:02
There
54:02
you
54:02
go.
54:03
There
54:03
you
54:03
go.
54:04
I
54:04
can.
54:04
I
54:05
can
54:05
give
54:05
you
54:05
the
54:05
GPS
54:06
coordinates.
54:07
There
54:07
we
54:07
go.
54:07
I
54:08
think
54:08
I
54:08
know
54:08
where
54:08
it
54:08
is
54:09
because
54:09
it's
54:09
right
54:09
over
54:09
by
54:10
the.
54:10
The
54:10
pub.
54:10
That's
54:11
there
54:11
too.
54:11
That's
54:11
on
54:12
the
54:12
trail.
54:12
So
54:12
it's
54:12
right
54:12
on
54:13
what
54:13
the
54:14
main
54:14
street
54:14
is.
54:15
Crosses
54:16
the
54:16
bike
54:16
path.
54:16
Yep.
54:17
It
54:17
used
54:17
to
54:17
be
54:18
an
54:18
Ace
54:18
Hardware
54:19
100.
54:20
It's
54:20
no
54:21
longer
54:21
anymore
54:21
because
54:22
the
54:22
owners
54:23
passed
54:23
away.
54:24
But
54:24
one
54:24
of
54:24
the
54:25
things
54:25
that
54:25
Mrs.
54:26
Dolan
54:26
said
54:27
she
54:27
wanted
54:28
before
54:28
at
54:29
the
54:29
end
54:29
of
54:29
the
54:29
case
54:29
was
54:30
she
54:30
wanted
54:30
that
54:30
plaque
54:31
to
54:31
remind
54:31
people.
54:32
And
54:32
there
54:32
it
54:32
is.
54:33
So
54:33
it's.
54:33
It's.
54:34
It's
54:34
really
54:34
neat.
54:35
I
54:35
don't
54:35
know
54:35
why.
54:35
It's
54:36
just.
54:36
It's.
54:36
It's.
54:36
It's
54:37
not
54:37
this
54:37
spectacular
54:38
national
54:39
park,
54:39
but
54:40
we
54:40
kind
54:40
of
54:40
go
54:40
there
54:41
and
54:41
pay
54:41
homage
54:42
to
54:42
her
54:43
anytime
54:43
we're
54:43
in
54:43
the
54:43
neighborhood.
54:45
Absolutely.
54:45
Well,
54:45
Robert,
54:46
we're
54:46
running
54:46
out
54:46
of
54:46
time,
54:47
brother.
54:47
What
54:47
is
54:47
the
54:48
best
54:48
way
54:48
to
54:48
people
54:48
to.
54:49
To
54:49
find
54:50
you
54:50
guys
54:50
if
54:50
they
54:50
have
54:51
a
54:51
case,
54:51
if
54:51
they
54:51
want
54:51
to
54:52
donate
54:52
to
54:52
the
54:53
cause
54:53
and
54:54
help
54:54
support
54:54
you
54:55
guys?
54:55
How
54:55
do
54:55
they
54:55
do
54:56
that?
54:56
You're
54:57
talking
54:57
my
54:57
language.
54:58
The
54:58
easiest,
54:59
best
54:59
place
54:59
is
54:59
like
55:00
everything
55:00
else
55:00
on
55:00
the
55:01
Web,
55:01
www.pacificlegal.org.
55:05
Or
55:06
just
55:06
hit
55:06
your
55:07
search
55:07
engines
55:07
and
55:08
say,
55:08
find
55:08
me
55:08
Pacific
55:09
Legal
55:09
Foundation.
55:10
You're
55:10
going
55:10
to
55:10
find
55:10
us.
55:11
We
55:11
have
55:12
a.
55:12
A
55:12
place
55:13
where
55:13
we
55:13
say
55:13
if
55:14
you
55:14
have
55:14
questions,
55:15
comments,
55:15
a
55:16
potential
55:16
case
55:16
you
55:16
want
55:17
us
55:17
to
55:17
evaluate
55:18
free
55:18
of
55:18
charge.
55:19
Give
55:19
us
55:19
some
55:20
details.
55:20
Let
55:20
us
55:20
know
55:20
how
55:21
to
55:21
find
55:21
you.
55:21
Tell
55:21
us
55:22
what's
55:22
going
55:22
on
55:22
and
55:22
hit
55:23
send
55:24
and
55:24
it'll
55:25
come
55:25
to
55:25
us.
55:25
I
55:25
get
55:26
those
55:26
every
55:26
day.
55:27
We
55:27
love
55:27
talking
55:28
to
55:28
people
55:28
and
55:29
evaluating
55:30
their
55:30
cases.
55:30
Not.
55:31
We
55:31
may
55:31
not
55:31
be
55:31
able
55:32
to
55:32
take
55:32
every
55:32
case
55:32
that
55:33
comes
55:33
along,
55:33
but
55:33
we're
55:34
very
55:34
happy
55:34
to
55:35
take
55:35
a
55:35
look
55:35
at
55:35
it
55:35
without
55:36
charging
55:36
legal
55:37
fees.
55:38
So
55:38
find
55:38
out
55:39
what
55:39
we
55:39
do.
55:39
There's
55:39
a
55:40
donation
55:40
place
55:40
for
55:41
donations.
55:41
We
55:42
live
55:42
100%
55:43
on
55:43
donations,
55:44
and
55:45
our
55:45
donors
55:46
have
55:46
very
55:47
generously
55:47
allowed
55:48
us
55:48
to
55:48
go
55:48
out
55:48
and
55:48
do
55:48
things
55:49
and
55:49
fight
55:49
the
55:49
good
55:50
fight.
55:50
So
55:51
anything.
55:52
Most
55:52
of
55:52
our
55:52
donors
55:53
are
55:53
small
55:54
donors.
55:54
They're
55:54
not
55:54
big
55:55
corporate
55:55
donors,
55:56
that
55:56
sort
55:56
of
55:56
thing.
55:57
So
55:57
most
55:57
of
55:57
our
55:58
funding
55:58
comes
55:58
through
55:59
smaller,
56:00
modest
56:01
individual
56:02
donations.
56:03
Everything
56:04
helps.
56:05
There's
56:05
a
56:06
big
56:06
safety
56:06
orange.
56:07
Yeah,
56:08
the
56:08
government
56:08
litigates
56:09
without
56:10
budget.
56:11
Except
56:11
it's
56:12
your
56:12
money
56:13
if
56:13
you
56:13
have
56:13
to
56:14
hire
56:14
private
56:14
lawyers.
56:15
One
56:15
of
56:15
the
56:15
first
56:15
things
56:16
I
56:16
used
56:16
to
56:16
do
56:17
was
56:17
to
56:17
tell
56:17
a
56:18
lot
56:18
of
56:18
clients,
56:18
I
56:19
want
56:19
to
56:19
take
56:19
your
56:20
case
56:20
as
56:20
a
56:20
private
56:20
lawyer,
56:21
but
56:21
I
56:21
can't
56:22
because
56:22
it
56:22
makes
56:22
no
56:23
economic
56:23
sense
56:24
to
56:24
take
56:24
your
56:24
case.
56:24
And
56:24
the
56:25
government's
56:25
going
56:25
to
56:25
sit
56:25
there
56:26
and
56:26
string
56:27
you
56:27
out
56:27
till
56:27
you
56:27
bleed
56:28
out
56:28
economically.
56:30
We
56:30
don't
56:30
worry
56:31
about
56:31
that
56:31
with
56:31
plf.
56:32
If
56:32
the
56:32
principal
56:33
is
56:33
good,
56:33
if
56:33
the
56:33
case
56:34
is
56:34
good,
56:35
we're
56:35
in.
56:35
We
56:36
stay
56:36
the
56:36
course.
56:37
You
56:37
don't
56:37
worry
56:38
about
56:38
budget.
56:39
Robert,
56:40
thank
56:40
you
56:40
for
56:40
coming
56:41
on
56:41
the
56:41
show,
56:41
man.
56:42
I
56:42
love
56:43
what
56:43
you
56:43
guys
56:43
are
56:44
doing.
56:44
Pacific
56:44
Legal
56:45
Foundation.
56:46
Robert
56:47
H.
56:47
Thomas.
56:47
Brother,
56:48
thanks
56:48
for
56:48
coming
56:48
on
56:49
today
56:49
and
56:49
educating
56:49
everybody.
56:50
I
56:50
love
56:50
this.
56:51
Eric.
56:51
It's.
56:52
It's
56:52
a
56:52
pleasure
56:52
to
56:52
have
56:53
met
56:53
you
56:53
and
56:53
to
56:54
talk.
56:54
A
56:54
little
56:54
shy
56:55
with
56:55
you
56:55
for
56:55
the
56:55
last
56:56
hour.
56:56
I
56:56
appreciate
56:56
it.
56:57
Thanks,
56:58
brother.
56:58
I'm
56:58
Eric
56:58
G.
56:59
You've
56:59
been
56:59
listening
57:00
to
57:00
around
57:01
the
57:01
House.
57:10
Don't
57:11
make
57:11
the
57:11
good
57:11
story.
57:12
Knock
57:13
one
57:13
back.
57:13
No
57:14
buzz,
57:14
no
57:15
worry.
57:15
No
57:16
one
57:16
ever
57:16
talks
57:17
about
57:17
the
57:17
shots.
57:17
They
57:18
didn't
57:18
take
57:19
drinks.
57:19
They
57:19
never
57:20
drank.
57:20
Hell,
57:21
they
57:21
never
57:21
raised.
57:22
Yee
57:22
haw.
57:23
Y',
57:23
all,
57:23
it's
57:23
only
57:24
nine.