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#82 | Jonathan, Indiana, & Isaac | The All Mighty Public Zoo: From Konfusion Kru to Corpus Christi Hip-Hop Legacy · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_07: What's going on, y'all?
• 0:00
  SPEAKER_07: Corporate security regionals back at it again.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_07: Today we're going to focus in on the corporate security hip hop scene.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_07: Real quick, shout out to the uh Scare Investigations Texas for uh helping to support the channel.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_07: Also, Almighty Public Zoo for supporting the channel, supporting this podcast.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_07: Today we got Almighty Public Zoo.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_07: Uh a few uh the crew members from there.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_07: We got uh Indiana, John uh Jonathan and Isaac.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_07: Want to introduce yourselves, fellas?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: How are you doing?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: My name is uh Indiana Walking Stick, born and raised here in Corpus Christi, Texas, been in public zoo since the 90s.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, before it was public zoo, but we'll get to talking about that in a minute.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, what's up, man?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_06: I'm John John81.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_06: Uh or Jonathan, what I've been called worse, it's okay.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_06: Um just like Indy, uh, I've been in public zoo since the the inception of it, since before.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um yeah, I'm just happy to be here, ready to talk about it.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh my name is Isaac Sanchez, uh, newest member of Public Zoo.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm uh a b-boy, and yeah, man, happy to be here.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_05: Happy to be back, man.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, thank you for having us today.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: Really appreciate that.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_05: Cool.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_05: First time in the studio, man.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_05: So what do y'all think about it?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_05: What do y'all think about so far?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_06: I like the woodwork.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_06: I like the woodwork.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_06: This is a very good nice place.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, very beautiful, very legit.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_06: I should I feel like I should have taken my shoes off coming in.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, what so this is not all of y'all, right?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_07: Oh off to the side, we got uh Joe, also another crew member from the public.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, Joe Joe B Z off to the side.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_07: So how many members are there?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_07: Or like 15?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_07: We can't officially get it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_07: I think we don't know how public game.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: The thing is, there's a lot of us.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's just a majority of us are are well into it doing playing our part for as much as we can.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: But there are also people behind the scenes that are public zoo that a lot of people don't ever really see.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you'll see them out, but you won't even really know that they're public zoo, they're not sitting there, oh we're public zoo, but they are putting in a lot of work in areas where you're not seeing it.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_07: So that's interesting.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: We've got a we've got a clockwork system, and it's uh a lot of people that actually contribute and help out with it.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a good thing, man.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_07: That's cool.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_07: So, like some of the so some of the what do they do to contribute?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like you say contribute, like yeah.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we got people who uh like we specifically have guys who do certain things like uh trying to find venues, uh coming up with ideas for new events, uh just overall anything that we can get as far as you know, mandating you're gonna do this, you're gonna do that.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's usually how it goes.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: And uh these people, like I said, they they call the venues.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, you know, what do you got going on on this date?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: We got this coming up.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, oh, you booked, okay, boom, boom, boom.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: So they're trying to find venues.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: We got other guys who are actually trying to plot the venues out, and then we got guys who are out there trying to get sponsorships for it, trying to get everything going.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: So everybody plays their part, and that's the really good thing about it that I like is that that's cool.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Not one person who's just Marlene does a lot of people.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Marlena does a lot for us as well.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, Joe Brock does a lot for us as well.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I mean, there's there's like I said, there's a bunch of people behind the scenes that a lot of people don't really see that really play a big part in this.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot of cats out outside of Corpus, too.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, robots.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Clements, evolve, Mike Melt.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've there like I said, there's a lot of guys that nobody really sees, but they're they're still playing their part as best they can.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_07: So that's awesome.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_07: What's going on in the chat, you guys?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_07: El Vago, what's going on?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_07: And Facebook.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_07: So you guys, so I guess we'll start at the the origins of uh the public zoo.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_07: You two guys are buddies to begin with, right?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, or y'all wearing a confusion crew crew, right?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so uh the way we met was uh through graffiti.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_06: So when I moved to Corpus, um I was like doodling on some paper and like in class when I should have been paying attention.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_06: But so the teacher saw it, turned it into the the principal or the dean or whatever, and they thought I was doing graffiti under another name.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_06: Can I say the name?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so this guy used to graffiti write porn star.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: We're not even five minutes in.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's coming up.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_06: And so they the they thought I was the one scribbling porn star all over the the walls and the lockers and whatnot.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_06: And I had just moved here.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_06: And I had just like checked in the care for like two weeks, maybe.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I don't know, I got like one friend, and like I'm not even sure that guy's actually a friend or not.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they go sleep.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_06: So like they were like talking about expelling me already and all this stuff.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_06: It was crazy.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, I swear to god, it's like me and like nobody believed in me, man.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_06: It's like this is crazy.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_06: And then um, I end up befriending this guy, Robert Peterson.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_06: Uh no one called him Black Rob or Robbie Rob.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_06: And and I started like sharing this story with him, and he's like, Oh, uh, yeah, that's that's the homeboy, Indiana.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_06: And and then to this point in my life, I never met anyone named Indiana.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_06: No, uh right, uh, and then Indiana Walking Stick, like that's not a real name.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_07: Is that really your last name?
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's my real name.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, like it's this is crazy.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I thought that shit was fake.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_06: Like, just like you're saying that's those fucking names are kidding.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: My mom was in love with Harrison Fords.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_06: So then I end up meeting meeting him that way, and then uh I didn't like him initially, and then we ended up obviously becoming friends through a series of events, and yeah, we've just been like kicking it, and then uh we were both breakdancing at the time.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: And um Yeah, he approaches me like, hey, you porn star?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hey man, quit writing in the bathrooms and stuff.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting in trouble, man.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, man.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_06: Man, I was mad I was trying to get a scholarship, man.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_06: Like the NBA won't call me back.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you were playing basketball at the time?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: Since then we've uh been best friends, man.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's hilarious how we met, but it's it's ever since then though, it's been it's been good, I think.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_06: I mean he's alright, man.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and then we were uh we were like breakdancing together.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um and then at the time, this is the late 90s, uh I don't know, like 98 maybe, or 97, 99, I don't know, I don't forget what year it was.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um there was like a ton of breakdance crews and Corbus Care, like a lot.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_06: Like like it was super popular.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_06: Like I was talking about this last night or the other night.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_06: Like even schools had breakdancing teams.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_06: So we uh there was like Carol, the high school we went to uh had a breakdancing team that we were on, and uh King had one, Miller had one.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was nice, uh it was a big deal back then.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Robojosh for still having the trophy from uh high school.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_06: You have yours too?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, I don't have one.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and we we we got trophies from the school, and it was pretty awesome.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_06: Letterman's I mean uh so it was like it was a really big deal.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_06: Um but then like uh we ended up joining this group called Confusion Crew.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was it was originally hip hop kids, and uh it was it was a bunch of guys, uh still homies, uh Daniel, Bobby, Hal, Squint, Baralio, uh Me You, Mike Bustos R R I P, uh Mike Medina.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there was a bunch of guys, and uh it was literally just a breakdancing crew.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: We had some graffiti artists, and we were doing graffiti at the time.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it literally took from that we're hip hop kids, and I think our colors were orange and blue.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Orange and blue, and uh it went from hip-hop kids and we did that for a couple years, and then what he's talking about from '97, '98, we started transitioning from hip-hop kids to all-star b-boys, and then all-star b-boys, we uh kind of uh cut ties with some of our friends.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: They weren't they weren't into it as much as we were at this point.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: We were kind of invested into it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: We liked breakdancing, we were practicing, we were traveling, doing what we could, and the other guys just weren't really into it anymore, so we kind of broke off from that, and that's kind of where Public Zoo started with me, John, uh the two brothers, Medina, which are Matt and Audi.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_05: That was an after Confusion career, yeah.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then uh yeah, because it went from hip-hop to the city.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Confusion lasted for a couple of years, man.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was three to five years ago.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, three to five years, and uh and that's like I said then that was doing the corpus circuit, like having everybody here is corporate circuit, and then uh like I said after that, it was it was just kind of a loss of interest for some of the guys that were doing it.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_05: That that story in itself, though, is like the that's I don't know, like the so common in like hip hop in general.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, people grow up, yeah, like certain members of a crew being more dedicated than others, especially in breaking.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_05: You see that shit all the time.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_05: And then, you know, there's a fallen out, or you know, the two that are more dedicated go battle with other crews that are more dedicated, yeah, and they, you know, or they get to the next level of skill and they go and start battling with other other cats, right?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_05: And the the guys that aren't as into it or aren't as skilled, they kind of you know, they stay back and they do the local thing, and sometimes they either fizzle out or they'll stay in their their little circle, and uh that's what keeps the the drama going and breaking.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_07: I mean what's what's the break scene like now?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like is it is it in corpus or just in general, in corpus?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_05: What I mean uh we'll the indie's gonna talk about it a little bit.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_07: Because it seems like hip hop has gone a long way since since the since its start, like I guess I want to say in like New York or whatever.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but I'm talking about hip-hop in general.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it's globally, um, I mean, the hip hop scene in general is is huge.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um the breaking scene, I think we talked about this on on my the episode uh I was on, but Texas has a as a pretty big breaking scene, like as a pretty big hip-hop scene, but as a whole, like Texas B-boys are uh the best in the world.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I there's no convincing me otherwise.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_05: I I've I've been around and they were a part of that generation where uh those Texas B-boys were establishing those names and those reputations.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: I I came in a little bit after, and I'm more of a fan now, but even now, like we're still I mean, one of the dudes in the Olympic squad was from Houston, yeah, you know, like that that tells you a lot, and he's I mean, he he's a dope b-boy, but he's one of a a big bunch that are all at that level, you know.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_07: So that's pretty cool.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I mean they were kind of on the forefront of of that.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what was that like that's what we were trying to talk about earlier when I was talking with you in the in the truck, it's like uh we uh we we didn't have the internet, so when we saw people, when we went out of town and we saw people like when we first saw Ninja, like ridiculous.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like we've seen something just completely different, and then I was like, I was telling Isaac, like back then when we were dancing, like Texas had just started to kick it up a notch.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: They they took it to another level and doing air flares, uh one-handed air chair poses, uh I mean just creating different styles that nobody else was seeing.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_07: Do you feel like do you feel like they had to like okay, we gotta up our okay?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: They knew what they were doing because uh they literally had the format and the blueprint for it.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how it came about or how Texas just everybody got it at once.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was so crazy because I think what it was is there were so many people competing that you had no choice but to get better.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't get better, you just you weren't you were you were out off to the side.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if it was like this when y'all were like in in those years, but for me, traveling to Texas scene, like every city like we're so spread apart, like every city's like a state here.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_05: Like Dallas is eight hours away, and Dallas has their own like culture of breaking and their own not style blue but blueprint of b-boys that are at a high level.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: Houston, you know, everybody.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: San Antonio, they're all more like dancing based, you know, with some old school powerheads, you know, sprinkled in there.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_05: Austin, it's a it's a melting pot.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_05: What a you know, exactly true.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we it was like that back then too, though.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: There was, I mean the way we ever had any kind of communication with anybody else out of our city was I think we had uh like a forum.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was a break check.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_06: Freestyle session.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was like freestyle session, I think uh bboy.com and breakcheck.com.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: They had these little like little chats, like just chats, like like basically like a like a room, like chat.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like, shit, right?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah, you are chat, what was this?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what it was?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what it was?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: That was the original Call of Duty lobby.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's really what it is.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, you because you could make up big names, you could do what yeah, you could make up big names and everybody just talking crazy.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, what's up?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'll battle you in San Antonio, I'll battle you over here.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: We'll we'll show up.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: Next thing you know, people were showing up to battle each other, and it that's just how it was.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: But even before that, like when we were when we were just dancing and stuff, like even in the city when we first started, and it was big, like how many crews were there?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_06: There was a bunch of there was a lot of there was like crew across the bridge.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: The Playboys is across the bridge, uh fucking uh B I C fucking us.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: There was Cruising Kingsville, Cruising Kingsville, uh script I run.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: They uh they had there was a bunch of different crews in the it was always it was always something going on on the weekend where somebody was gonna bottle something.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_06: Although, like so this is like all before social media.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_06: You could go to like the mall on a Saturday afternoon.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, and we would there would be battles at the mall.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_06: At the mall, yeah, yeah, like it was like on site, yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we were it was weird.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: We were we were very dedicated back then.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you see somebody walk it like the movies.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_06: You see somebody walking across the remember where the Chick-fil-A used to be, like downstairs, um that hallway we would break dance right there, and then we wouldn't.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's Lululemon now in the mall.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_06: And then uh so that would be the spot, and then we would go to King Seattle's on Saturday nights, and like don't even know.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Don't even know whose party it is, but they got a nice dance for it so we're gonna go over there and go dance.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_06: We would just go be like, Oh, there's these b-boys over here.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is there was there ever like a fist fight?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, uh that that was the cool thing about it, yeah, is like it was it was genuine.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like we were battling, we were battling to battle.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't uh like I'm gonna you up.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it was just uh I'm gonna get you on a craft talking.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: There was yeah, never never never came to fisticuffs.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean uh rapping a little different, but break breaking now.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't with no no drama like that I got there.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was gonna say I mean it's it's rare though, but yeah.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean it happens for sure.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's sometimes people just can't control emotion and they get you know a little upset and stuff, so that's natural, but for the most part, it was always fairly clean.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody just so that so that was back in the day, chat forms.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_07: So how do you how do you how do y'all get it now?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I mean I'll tell you what, it's too while to like social media.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't like social media.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I still don't even really get on social media.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'll get on and I'll advertise certain stuff, but I really don't post my life on social media.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the difference now though is it's gotten everybody I think more, I think like what Ronnie was talking about earlier on that podcast you're listening to, it's become more of a they're more it's more friendly now.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's friendly.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not so cutthroat and so ruthless as it was.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's more of a everybody can communicate, so everybody's French with each other or friends with each other.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's so it when you they go to battle and stuff too.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: When they go to battle or something, it's uh it's more of a hey, let's shake hands first, you know.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, good luck.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: When back in the day as a what's up, let's go.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: That I can see like it's it was it was more cutthroat, but uh social media has definitely helped it though.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's look where it's gotten with Red Bull.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's gotten it's got breakdancing into the Olympics.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_07: Do you think it influenced uh wreck dancing being in the Olympics, social media and stuff like that?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think what happened with the Olympics was especially now because they monetized it.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it it it was it was watered down very much, I think.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't like the representation of it, but it was awesome that it was there, but it's just the way it was portrayed and seen, everybody kind of just got the bad end of the stick, I think, visually for it.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: You talking about the Olympics?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it was it I think they rushed it.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Ray Gun, I love you.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: But no, yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was hoping we wouldn't, but you know, yeah, no, but no, yeah, uh definitely the the influence of social media has definitely uh fire-started everything.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's even graffiti, rapping, uh DJing, everything has gotten its best foot forward because of social media now, too.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: Just for my own um, because I've never asked y'all this, but uh when y'all two were traveling, was that under confusion or was that under early public zoo day?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, we did trips out with confusion.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, did you?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and then we also did trips with just as public zoo too.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: Did you so y'all battle and breaking under public zoo?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_05: Damn, okay.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_05: So I thought all that was y'all's confusion years and then public zoo kind of transitioned.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_06: No, I know what it is.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_06: What one time there was uh there used to be an event in Chicago called City versus City, yeah.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_06: And me and this dude went and we just like we talked about going, but we never had a plan to go, and then the day came for us to leave, and we just woke up.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and just went and drove.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: We drove straight to Chicago, yeah, right there.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_05: Straight to Chicago, non-stop non-stop, nonstop all the way.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: In what what kind of vehicle were you on?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh old date with no like GPS or anything.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, we didn't know.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna print it off.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, uh, that's how long ago.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_05: So we were we stayed up and we were you were like with the big map in it, you're like the sheet map.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the map so you had to print the motherfucker so the the shoots wouldn't get operating.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well it was me, him, and Kevin Mack.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Kevin Mack will be a little bit more than a lot of people.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Kevin Mac was that's right, Kevin Mack.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_06: This other guy we stay up with.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_06: And then uh I remember we were driving up there and we had stopped at a store, and I remember this guy bought like these uh like trucker pills to like stay awake with the horny pills or whatever.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, the yellow jack took him.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_06: It's like we're driving, and like I from the passenger scene, I go to sleep for a little bit, and I wake up and I look at him, and he's like and it's I'm like driving slow.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_06: I wake up and like, why are we going so slow?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_06: Like we're on the open intersection hour, like 30 miles an hour.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, what the hell's going on?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_06: I just he's like staring at like you see that up there, bro.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_06: I've been driving for a while.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: I've been driving for a while.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: I and I was just I was literally Kevin Max like in the back seat, completely laid out asleep.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: John John is in the front, he's napping.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm we get to this point where it's like a straightaway, like he it's like so many miles, and you don't have to make any turns.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: So he's like, I'm gonna take a nap.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm taking I was like, go ahead, man, cool, go, go.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm already chock full of these damn pills, and I'm literally like, yeah, it's Asian dick those.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, oh shit, like shit.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey, hey, do you see that up there?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, see what, man?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, them lights up there, man.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: The lights up there.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Man, there ain't no man, pull over, man.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Come on down.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Oh shit.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, I mean, bro, and then we finally get to Chicago, and this guy gets us lost in Chicago, and we don't have like GPS on our yeah, we haven't, yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: This is the era of no internet on your phone.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even think we were cell phones at that point.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: Did we have cell phones?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_06: I think we had a cell phone, but it just wasn't they didn't have cell phones to play a snake on, yeah, like the Nokia 1529 or whatever.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and then when we we got there, we went to the event, and uh it was like um so the city versus city, I don't know if they still do it or not, but basically whatever city you come from, yeah, that's basically what who you're representing.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think Texas, we had enough b-boys from different parts of Texas that we all just teamed up together as Team Texas.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: What year was that?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go try and find that back.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh actually, you know what?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: If you if you find it, I think it was City versus City 3 or something.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Was that when like Angelo went out there?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's when we we we were with Angelo, Recon, uh some Jive Sampos, Sampo, Jive Turkey, right?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_06: There's a few of them out there, all the B-way City guys, yeah.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um Romeo and all them.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that was a fun trip.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_06: But yeah, we used to go on trips all the time.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was funny because everybody everybody just assumed that since you were from Texas, you were just remarkably dope.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't even matter.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't have to dance.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: They were just like that kind of repetitive.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, at this point, uh, the guys who were doing power and like doing new tricks and stuff that nobody had seen before were from Texas.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: So when they were out there, they're like, Oh, y'all from Texas, oh shit.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think you would you told somebody uh they asked you, well, how do y'all train or do you think he's like, Oh, we drink beer, we brush our teeth with beer and drink great Kool-Aid all day.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, and they were just like, Oh, really?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, shit.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: This was in Texas, yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: We were massive with people, but they were like, they were like, Hey, do y'all y'all have tumble?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we still ride.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, they were they were eating it up though.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, that's what and like I was like, for real, bro.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, they still do shootouts at the daytime at noon.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, 10 pace steps, turn a shoot, bro.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, I do my killing in some counties, but once again, there's no internet.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: So they're I mean, they literally take they've taken from whatever western movie they've seen about Texas or whatever, and this is what when was this 2000, 2001, 2002, 2001, yeah.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so at the point back then, there's no internet still, like I'm saying.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just hilarious because you're telling people certain things, like, yeah, we got big ass tumbleweeds, there's dirt in the road, and and you're being satire as hell, and you know, and they're just still like they're talking about like a beauty people at high noon, bro.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, sure are, man.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Every day.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, one of the things that did happen, and this is how I knew we were in Chicago.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_06: We went to the McDonald's and had a Metal detector.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: Just to go and find them.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: And I remember sitting there thinking, like, oh, that's pretty nice.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_06: Like, but it's the people who couldn't get in that you gotta worry about who are still outside.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like they're gonna like rob us for some cheeseburger.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, that's nuts.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_07: What are some of the lessons y'all learned from the early days?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, where do I start?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh don't take any wooden nickels right off the bat.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, I messed the board here again.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think the thing that I've learned is go for what you want to do.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Continue doing what you want to do.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think I think I I stopped breakdancing, and I think I I didn't want to.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because even still now, I still try and break dance.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just do stuff out of random areas and times, but I think if I could go back, I would I wouldn't stop breakdancing.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think I would have continued doing it, and I think it could have been fun still at my age of 43.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_05: Right now, my runny joke is that like I'm training, I got five years to train for the over 40 battles.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, it's funny is like all that generation, those Angelos and all them, they're battling in that.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_05: So like the competition just went to that.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's still at a freaking high level.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_07: It's not like you know, it's cool, bro.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_07: It's like your life, like you like doing stuff, we just keep you continue doing it.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the thing about it.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's I think that's the thing was with us, is like we've we just genuinely love doing this.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: We we love it.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I think we've had a bunch of people with us, but some of them have gone.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, some people there's a lot of people have come and gone with us as far as friendships or as far as just in general being a part of us, but then leaving to like Hawaii or going like our buddy Hob.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Hob lives in Hawaii.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: He was used to be part of the original crew, and he's still one of our good friends, still one of my best friends that I talk to, still too.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, but he's no longer part of it, he doesn't want to do that, he's got his own thing, he's got a spice company.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh cool, and that's a weird way to say OnlyFans.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but uh no, but like like like I was saying, like it's uh it's it's something like it's instilled in me.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: I love doing this.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I'm not gonna stop rapping or stop doing anything like that anytime soon.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's really what it is, it's just you have to have a fire for this.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think everybody right here has a fire for it, and everybody that's still part of the crew has a fire for it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: And to kind of like touch on your question, like I I know you were it was kind of directed to them, but one thing I've always related to John John specifically about and is the marketing aspect that I've learned from like traveling.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um you know, I there's even though I did I I come from the generation that did have like the the social media and the you know, we just use that as ways to make connections so it was easier to get to those people so I could go back to that spot.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_05: But uh when my brother and I were traveling, we were broke, we had like no money, all our we'd pay our rent, and then you know, it was it was off to the next battle.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_05: And who you knew was the difference between how comfortable you were gonna be out there, and to be honest, like that's business, you know what I mean?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like those are business uh relationships.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like recently, I uh I had gone to Nashville for like a wedding like a year ago, and anytime my wife has this rule, like side note, anytime I travel with the wife, she's like, Hey, you get one day, go do your b-boy thing, and I'll go and I'll hit up like every social media.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_05: Who who knows people b-boys in Seattle?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows b-boys in Tennessee or Nashville?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_05: And I had made some connections out in Nashville.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I went for a business trip back in October, and uh one of the guys who I had obsession with teaches at a studio, and he's like, Yo, you teach.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I was like, Yeah, yeah, he's like, Come, uh, he's like, You're gonna be a time for the week on Wednesday or Thursday, come teach uh our advanced class.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I got to go do a guest like spot, but that right there is something I learned from the the days where we were going out there with no money, you know what I mean?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, meet everybody, you know what I mean?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like when it's battle time, that that's different, but off outside of that, you're you're making connections, and I mean, just to bring it full circle, like there's been a ton of times where I've been out in a random city and people ask where I'm from, and I'm like, Corpus, and they're like, Oh, you know, John John, yeah, yeah, John John.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, Oh, that's the homie.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: We he used to come through here back in the early 2000s.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_06: I thought, I thought this was what was gonna say my wife's got this rule when we go to weddings, don't embarrass me with that breakdancing shit.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm like the last person to dance like that at a wedding, man.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm 35, it's hard to get going.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_05: I can't just bust out like Indy, Indy will be down here.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, bro, I gotta stretch, I need to warm up, I gotta Facebook work.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_07: I'm a big dude, but I move, baby.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_07: Hey, shout out to Joe uh Joe Brock for sending the stars on Facebook.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks a lot.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_07: Appreciate that, Joe.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I touch on that of uh often on the podcast, networking, how important that is uh in any industry, bro.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_07: Like, definitely, yeah, just to talk talking to people and stuff like that.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_07: So, you guys have been uh for the last 20 plus years, yes, a public zoo.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, how has the public zoo evolved in terms of music style and community involvement?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_06: So public zoo started as just a breakdance crew, well, like what uh Andy was talking about earlier.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and then like with Confusion crew, some of the core members moved away to uh Dallas and uh Colorado or something.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but what had happened was we had an older guy that was in Public Zoo, his name was Chris.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and I I was talking about this guy before, he's kind of like a mythical creature, like there's only a handful of people who know who he is, uh because he's like completely off the grid.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, but his real name is Chris Tucker, just like fucking smoky, but that was like a real name, but he's an older guy and he went by Dirty Rex, and so he and I were living together, and it was his idea to like want to like evolve public zoo into something.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_06: So we we lived together at this house on the street called Bahamas, and so we referred to the house as Bahamas as the Bahamas, and so like yo, we're kicking at the Bahamas coming through.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it just sounds cool, like, especially if a stranger over here is like, oh man, we gotta be one of the Bahamas.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_06: That's cool, yeah.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_06: We're bringing everybody with us.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_06: And so what had happened was a lot of people would start hanging out at this house.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and then our friend Worm, it was his idea to like, oh, we should like form this like super hip hop crew group of guys.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_07: That's cool.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because we're always together, anyways, and then like some like graffiti writers and a couple skaters, and uh uh and we had a roommate too, uh Rez, R E Z Rez.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_06: And I used to call him the Resonator.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_06: But he was Riz.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_06: No, I call him Resonator.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_06: I know his name is Riz, but I call him Resonator.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, anyways, um, but he's still the homie.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and uh so, anyways, so he was in a band and he had a drum set kit or drum kit set up, uh, and he used to play beats, and so yeah, and then it was Rex's idea to like evolve Public Zoo into like an event group because he worked at Stingers.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_06: This is how long ago it was.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, back when Stingers was yeah, back when Stingers was the place.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um how did Dirty Rex?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know how Dirty Rex got his name.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I honestly thought his name was Rex for a long time.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um that's the weird thing about everybody in public zoo.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone but Isaac's got this weird nickname.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_07: Um it's time.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_06: And so uh it was Rex's idea in his organization because he had just got out of the Marine Corps at that time, and so he was still he still had that mindset, I suppose.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_06: And um, it was his idea to evolve us into a collective hip-hop group.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, that's couldn't that's uh conformed of um you know b-boys and skaters and graffiti writers.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_06: And I think what uh really liked well what I really liked about it because the internet was starting to become new, like Facebook, like people have Facebook accounts.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_06: MySpace was uh that's what it was.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_06: MySpace was real big and photo book, yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_06: I don't like and then so that was like a big deal, and um so what uh we started like just like collecting people who we we felt like were like us because we weren't like into the the Jordans and the bling bling and the tall tees.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_06: But don't get me wrong, I like fucking all that fancy shit too, but it wasn't who we were.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's a culture that is we were just like you couldn't tell if we were like homeless, you couldn't tell if we were skaters, you couldn't tell if we worked at the mall.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_06: Like that's what I liked the most about us, and we just started attracting more people that way and and meeting different people, and that's uh yeah.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Cause well, when we I think at that point, that's when we started to do shows, I think, at like Honey Bee Hams.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and we were at Honey Beehams.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_06: Uh what else?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: What were some of those shows?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what were y'all doing early on?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh they were just like little shows for us.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were they were literally like really hype hops events.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: There was uh like I think it evolved from us talking about it and making a super group into actually we were like we had connections in different places to talk to people, and I think it is Yosef, DJ Yosef.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: He was his, I think, yeah, Yost his uh I think his family owns uh Honeybee Hand Gentry.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: So uh he was a homie back in the day because we used to go to these raves and break down.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: We'd go out to the only place that we could go to go and break people back to the to the rave, yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: We I mean they would play like house music and stuff like that.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, we'd we'd jam it.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they're like the only group of people who were like because we would try to break down to the stingers or something.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_06: They can't break down to stingers back then, and you can get away.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: But we'd go to these raves or anything, or I they used to even uh I think it was like VIP2 or the Honnowville or something, they would have it on Sundays, like uh they would have uh like dance music, so we'd go out there and mess around.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, back to it though.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I got sidetracked.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, we would uh we started doing shows at Honeybee Hams, like they would shut down after hours, and DJ Yosef would go set up a sound system, and we would uh invite people just like basically come hang out and we'd rap a little bit, but for the most part, that's how it started.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: We just literally had these little get-togethers, these little jams, yeah.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then it and then from there it just snowballed.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_06: I think one of the first events, I think or not.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_06: I see dose on the screen, that's why I said it.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_06: But uh not dose, but Rex was calling it don't be a victim.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_06: I think that was the first name.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Who are some of the early like non-B-Boy members?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: Who are some of the what?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Early B boys, yeah.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like non-B-Boys, non-B-Boy.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a big boy.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Rock Worm.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so Worm wasn't a B-boy.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, he was a graffiti writer.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's a graffiti writer.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, so definitely him.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Pez.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Pez is not a uh B Boy.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, Marlena's not a B-boy.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, but she came to our practices all the time.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: She was before there was public dude.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Before there was even public views, she would be at the practices.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_06: Um, that's a good question.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_06: I never thought about that one.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_06: I was curious.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_06: I just assumed everybody break dances.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'm be honest, man.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like, Joe Brock doesn't break dance.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_05: They got the history.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: I bet he could, though, if you want to.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: I bet everybody in the crew I've like these two have been like the OG that I've kind of always picking their brains.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_05: I've never run out of questions.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice, bro.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a little ball of information sometimes, man.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's weird.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_07: What are some of the challenges?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_07: Uh explore the challenges in the group's identity, music, production, and the challenges faced and staying relevant in the evolving hip-hop culture.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, so you know something I always run into?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone thinks I rap.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_06: Like I don't rap.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_07: I thought that too.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_07: And I didn't, I never would have rap, yeah, exactly.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of people think I rap, so I get asked that.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_06: I wasn't even getting asked that last night.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_06: Like, or do you rap?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I rap presents.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_06: I rap.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_06: I rap conversations.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so uh that I think that's like a big mis uh what's the word?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_06: Misconception.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_06: Misconception is that a word?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_06: Miss Misconstrued.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_06: Missy Elliott.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Let you work it.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_06: There, that's what, see, that's why that's why we were friends all these years, because he gets what I'm saying.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_06: All y'all are confused, but he understands.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: Picking up what you're laying down.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um but I think that's something that like people always think like I'm a rapper.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_06: I don't rap, man.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but what's hard for us, I think, to stay relevant is because we are getting older.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I just turned 25 last week.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_06: No, so like now we're entering our 40s.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, we've been doing this since our early 20s and late teens.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: So now it's like staying relevant with kids who were like in diapers.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_06: Like, we started doing this when they were in diapers or not even born yet in some cases.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_06: So I think I think that's the biggest challenge is trying to stay relevant in their eyes.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_06: Like, be honest, like, I'm not like it's not like an end goal of mine.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I gotta have the acceptance of this night, I could care less because we're gonna keep doing this anyways.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_07: But like, right, right, right.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_07: Do you find yourself like uh I guess like asking them or for like hey, what do you think about this?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_07: You know what I mean?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, no, they don't know.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_06: No, we have like several conversations amongst ourselves, so that was like the the for public zoo, like we wanted to do shows for us, yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_06: Like uh that's why Honeybee Hams, the original Honey Be Hams, it was a little bigger than this room that we're in.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_06: So if like 20 of us were there, it seemed like a pack house, right?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so we were doing shows originally just for us and our friends, yeah.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_06: Like that's it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: It was literally a way for us to to hang out and kick it in in a place where it was more open and available together.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_06: And just share our talents with each other and just vibe out and and do whatever.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it was never for us.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_06: It was never about like how many people can we like I think I think it like towards certain parts it did get that way sometimes, but that was always our our our our end goal in the beginning, and it's what we're trying to do now, like shows for self ourselves.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's a little hard to explain, I guess, because it's like it's like we wanna we want to share with everybody what we have to offer, but at the same time, we want to stay kind of true to ourselves and what we've originally been doing all these years, and I think that's where it kind of gets hard for us to play into what everybody wants now in comparison to what we naturally do.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_06: When we first started this to now, there's never as far as I know in Corpus, there's never been a crew like us.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm not trying to like you know big debo anybody, but like this is honestly like a pretty well-organized super crew of like all four funky elements all in one, and and outside of that, a lot of us, you know, the artists and their poets and their business owners and runners.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and as far as I know, there's never been another crew like us uh for the 20 plus years, and still even today, I don't know if there is or not.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_06: Because I don't live in Corpus, so I don't know if there is or not.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_07: But as far as I know, no, because you think it would get to that point, to the point you're at now?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_07: Like 20 years that we would still be doing this 20 years later.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know it it's this was literally just for us, it was friends, it's family.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_06: Remember when I turned to 26?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I remember saying this uh when I turned 26, I was like, damn, I'm 26 and I still break dead.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm getting old.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: I've said that so many times now I'm in my 40s and I'm like, I'm still do you ever have that voice like oh maybe you should stop?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_07: Like, like could you know what I mean?
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um I've had some injuries lately and some I've had to bite through some adversity, and that thought has popped in my head.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: But I mean, over the years, uh the times it has, I I mean, Indy said one of his biggest regrets is quitting.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I've heard that story more times than I can count.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_05: And so for me, it it comes and goes really quickly.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, like I I know that I'll regret it if I do, and as long as I can do it on some kind of level, um, whether it's teaching or just just having fun with it, like I'm I'm winning, you know.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_07: So, how did you uh break the acceptance freeze?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_07: Uh and how how was your inclusion?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: Man, I've known these guys for 15 years, and uh man, that's kind of it took him 15 years before we said yeah, kinda.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, well, not not literally.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you know, yeah, okay.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Before we get to that about how you were in there, give him the little breakdown of how we used to actually uh recruit people, or even you know how we would get them in.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, so so how did y'all how did y'all recruit people?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_07: What was shows?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: Shows or anybody who wanted to open or do anything like that.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'll let you explain it because y'all were doing that at the Bahamas directly.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_06: So I always call it the peak popularity years for public zoo, like in the 2005-ish era or 2008 era.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it used to be like Chris Tucker, Chris Tucker, Dirty Rex used to like literally hold auditions at our house because like so many people wanted to do events with us.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_06: Um so and then it kind of got out of hand where like the people were just joining public zoo like crazy, like it was like 30 plus people in public zoo.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_06: And uh, so I left, I moved away from Corpus in 2006, and I would be like coming home to visit, and I would like people would introduce themselves to me, like, yeah, I'm such and such in public zoo.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_06: Like, cool, man.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_06: And like, never met you in my life.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_06: Like, and I've been in public zoo since day one, and uh, so it got really out of hand, and um, we had like I don't want to say hangarounds, but there was a lot of people that would just be constantly like just around, yeah, which was cool.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying like you're not fucking bull, or excuse me, I don't mean to cuss.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, actually, I didn't mean to cuss.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_06: No, but it's like I'm not trying to say like we're too cool, you can't hang around us, but it just got out of hand.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_06: It really, it really got out of hand.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and that's when we had to like start you know tightening things up, and that's we had like uh well now if you want to join public zoo, you really do gotta be hanging around us for a long time, and then like somebody in public zoo, like someone who's been in public zoo, well, has to like vouch for you uh and or advocate for you.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's cool, and then we put you on like a 90-day probation period, and then like mine was like a hundred blood.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, after 15 years, is that all uh you gotta be active too, like you didn't.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_06: But I was I I was advocating, I was advocating a lot for Isaac, and uh it honestly everyone knew who he was, but honestly, it took a lot of convincing on my end because we've been a core like the core group of public zoo has been together like for years.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's like oh man, I know it's just kind of wild.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_06: Like, we've had so many highs, like literally highs and like spiritual highs, and like the lows of the lows, like we've lost friends, and one of our uh DJ devious passed away, and like that really put us in a weird place for a long time.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um so like I was at so I was advocating for Isaac for a long time to join, but like it was it was nothing personal, it's just like we don't really want to, and that's kind of where we're at.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we were all still kind of in a place where we didn't even know what was going on for a little bit.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there was a point in time where we were we were kind of scatterbrained, all of us.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody knew what we were doing, nobody knew what was going on.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we fell off the map for a little bit and people were wondering where we were actually at.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_05: Even I mean, we weren't I was hanging out with with them.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_05: Anytime John John was in town, we'd go, we'd kick it.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um, Indy's like really good friends with my cousin too.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: So I was hanging out with him when I could.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_05: And then our other homie Dose from who lives in Hawaii.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: Anytime he was in town, we were all you know, kicking it too.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_05: So I always stayed on good terms.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_05: To be honest, I actually reached out to them, um, kind of you know, bringing it back to you.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like, um, I reached out because I I saw they were they were getting active again, and I don't think I've told them this, but no, like you know, it's nothing crazy.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: But like I would I wouldn't have asked.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_05: I think I asked at the right time because at the time I did, I I had already been putting in work.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_05: So like it was almost like like if they would have said no, I would have been good.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I still have uh you know, he'll be car.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like no, yeah.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Isaac.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: He I mean he he he stood his ground, he stayed around.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: He he was like he's saying, he didn't have to.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: He we if we had told him no, he probably he would have been fine.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would have been continuing doing what he is doing, right?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: And like I've told him, like, I I love what he's doing still because he's he like I was I think I was trying to explain it to you about we get old with this and we think about what we're gonna do moving forward or whatever, but like I had told you, like we have opportunity to possibly help other people who want to step up into something similar to public zoo, not public, it doesn't have to be public zoo, but I mean he has the opportunity to teach kids breakdancing, right?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: So he still has that opportunity of being involved in the hip-hop community without having to hurt himself or break dance or prove what he's doing.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I was saying, like, there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: So what he's doing, what he can do after he's done breakdancing or doing that, is still contributed to the hip-hop community by teaching breakdancing, letting them know the evolution of breakdancing and stuff like that, or even the history of hip-hop and corpus and how is your teaching influ uh experience influenced your approach to dance and community outreach?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_05: I think for me, like teaching is it's always been, even though I I enjoy it now and I'm I'm passionate about it now probably more than ever, but it's always just been what you do when you're in B-Ban long enough.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um you you you give back, and it could be it could just be hey, helping some kid with a with a six step, but like that that's part of of breaking culture is each one, teach one.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_05: And um, I think you know, we we haven't really talked about hip hop too much, but out of all the elements of hip hop, like breaking is the one that is like closest to the roots.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_05: Like, and so we those traditions and and shit like that, like we we hold those, like I I would say, you know, I'll say anybody wants to get mad, like more than the other elements.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_05: We we hold to those, those traditions more so than the other elements, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: Each one, teach one, peace, love, unity, having fun, all that stuff.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, man, like when I when I asked, um, you know, I'm gonna toot my own horn a little bit, but one of my goals, I was solo for a minute.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like I had a crew here, uh, shot spills at Rodden.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_05: I left on good terms and stuff.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_05: But um, I left them and for like five years, I was just traveling solo.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I have been doing this 15 years, I've been traveling for 15 years doing this.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um and it's hard to get picked up by a Texas crew, like especially a good one.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like we we've all said they how competitive it's still like that.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_05: And I got picked up by this crew, Los Lobos, shout out to the homies from from Houston and OKC, Dallas.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I have been battling these dudes for a couple years, and then they reached out, and right before the zoo started getting active, I went to B-Boy City, which these guys have both battled at.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, biggest uh crew on crew event in in Texas, and we battled, like we made it to the semifinals.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_05: We battled a crew from the Netherlands.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, came up and we almost took it.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it was a close battle.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I battled with them and then they put me down, and that was like check that box.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_05: So I when I when I reached out, I was kind of on a high of like confidence, you know.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_05: Like, hey man, y'all can say no, but man, I'm I feel like I I also did have stuff to offer too because they I didn't see any any current B-Ways at the time, and I was like, well, they can say no, but I feel like you know, I got something to offer now that I didn't have 15 years ago, other than just being one of the homies, you know.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_07: Well, so yeah, that and that goes with what you're saying, like you have to be active in order to, yeah, yeah.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: We I mean we I mean a lot of us are not as active as we were, but uh it's it's a family, like it's not like we're gonna be like we've been together for so long, he's not breakdancing, but I'm not gonna be like, oh, you're not breakdancing.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_06: Bro, we're legally married, huh?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, basically, basically I'm in lost for sure, but yeah, but no, yeah, everybody was active, and uh everybody who stayed active and did everything.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it just carried on, and I was really glad that Isaac joined because, like I said, he was active, he was doing stuff, he was traveling, he was breakdancing, he was battling.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was one of the things that I think me and John had put up forward about him was that he's the only one right now who's breakdancing, he's the only one who's traveling, he's the only one who's going out and making a name for himself right now.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going anywhere right now, I'm not doing nothing.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like, dude, this he's the perfect piece to this puzzle.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like he and in all honesty, I mean, I feel like he brought a little bit of light back to us because we were like I said, we were we were still at a point of we I'll be honest with everybody.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think we were all at a point of where we were like, shit, what are we gonna do?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: We've even said it, like I was gonna say, like, do you feel like you're gonna be zoo like all like forever, all day, every day.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Never quit it.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh shit, since day one.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but he said that's why.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like that's what I was saying.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's this is something that I'm gonna be doing forever, forever.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably why, but I have no point or intention of stopping anytime soon.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_06: And I mean, we've done tons tons of events too over the years.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I mean, the Gulf War battle raps, um, the Gulf War events, the laces out sneaker events, and then last night, you know, we just did that thousand dollar rap battle event.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, um, and we got some other stuff coming next year.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if we're gonna talk about it yet.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I guess we could talk about that.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_06: We have a graffiti event.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_06: A little, a little bit of I think yeah, there's a talks of a graff talks of a graffiti event coming up.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, so you guys have graffiti artists obviously also.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we have yeah, I mean we are I think we still have every element of hip hop on board still.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: DJ Technique is still doing his thing in San Antonio, and uh we have Clements also in Austin.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's also Evolve and Mike Knight.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Mm Mike Nice, rest in peace.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Mike Melt is down in the valley as well.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: Evolves in the valley.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we've got our graffiti artists, ones in Hawaii, those two.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: We have Waker in Austin.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there we have people spread out all over the place, but a lot of them we've all kind of like slowed down.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I think right now we're about to pick back up, and it's it's gonna be something that's gonna be for me.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_05: It kind of feels like like y'all too, or like the zoo is kind of getting back to grassroots.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like you know what I mean.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm of the mindset, like it doesn't always have to be a big event to make a a difference.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, sometimes like at my class, I have like six students.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_05: I'll put up like 10 bucks and some like little dollar store trophies, and all kids will go hard.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, you know what I mean?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like that kind of concept, but it's really just getting them used to battling and and the culture, and I think we're kind of we're kind of doing that, and you know, like or that's what it feels like for me being.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, that's what I was saying.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think right now it's gonna start, we're gonna start getting back to to doing what we naturally do.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think, especially since we've been talking about everything lately as well.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think uh we're gonna start feeling a little more homely, and it's gonna we're gonna start producing some events that people are gonna be like, oh shit, like okay, like so.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_07: What is uh what are some of the ways that you're gonna get get that out and get the word out?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_07: Do you think uh social media plays an important role as far as getting that out there?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_07: Do you still do word of mouth?
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_07: Like, yeah, we still do word of mouth.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh obviously, Joey B, he still does his uh art walks at QBR, and uh a lot of that partakes in there, like he has uh MCs and out there, uh people performing and stuff like that.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: So we always have a little reach on where people are at, especially with the youngsters right now.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: The youngsters, there's youngsters that are out there rapping right now, and uh they've actually introduced themselves to Joe Brock.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: I've met some of them as well, and uh really good kids that have talent.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I think their little following is starting to get active as well, now that things are starting to come back out and stuff like that.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's a move too, is like providing them a spot or like uh an avenue to do that, even even with like the MC or the the rap culture, like you know, giving them a spot.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, every first of the month we're gonna have a battle.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_05: Some of these kids need some experience.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I'm gonna ask what what effort what efforts are you making to keep the culture alive and engage with younger generations?
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_06: Just keep doing these events like we used to.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_06: So when we used to do these events, they were all the time because we were much younger and we had way less responsibilities, yeah.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_06: And we all we were also super reckless too.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there were there was like at least two shows every month.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_06: We were definitely we were used to do a lot of things, and uh, but now you know now we have kids are you know, we got kids in high school, and uh, you know, we got real life responsibilities that we weren't carrying in our late teens, early 20s.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um but the way that we intend on staying relevant and connecting with the the next generation of Corpus Christi hip hop is by providing these quality events, um, and we do our best to be well organized and fair, but um I don't want people to like get the wrong idea that we only cater to ourselves, but we we do we do cater to ourselves.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_06: Like we're gonna do events that we like, that where we feel are hip-hop to us because hip-hop is such a broad, broad thing, like right, like you would that's a hip-hop to you may not be hip-hop to me, and vice versa, right?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_06: But we're gonna continue to just like put ourselves out there first and like and then we're gonna work with everyone else.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_06: But we do want to give everyone the opportunity, like with these rap battles.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, anybody could have signed up, right?
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_06: Um, whether they do or not.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_06: I I think that concept of one versus one rap battling is kind of like a foreign idea to some people, like constantly trying to explain it, and then like yeah, just go watch the movie Eight Mile and Oh, right, right, yeah.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_06: And then some people get it and some people don't get it, but um but yeah, that's how I think we're moving forward.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_06: We're just more organized, more professional quality events.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I and I think what he means by when he says, like, we're doing it for us, is like we're gonna play the music we want to play that we like to hear, that is the hip hop we listen to.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna let our DJ play what he wants to play, we're gonna let our rappers rap what they want to rap.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I think that's what we mean by when we say like Yeah, not I don't want to be like gatekeeping.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_07: We're not gonna well well, obviously, so there is that pushback.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_07: Well, you should do it like this, yeah.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_07: You should do it like that.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_07: I mean you're like, no, see, well then here's the thing, yeah.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_07: Exactly.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's the it's it if you want to do that, then you create the you make it happen.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Don't tell me what you want me to do because I'm already doing this.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly in the zoo too.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like yeah, like there's like there's an I don't know, like a freedom to be able to kind of go and do your thing.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like, um, yeah, we're in no way holding anybody.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_05: Joey's walk down the space.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like, oh, you you're you're specifically like he can't he goes and he does the artwork he does the art walk with a desire, right?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so they they do that and uh and like like he was saying, like it's you don't you we're not holding you here, we're not gonna hold you here and say, hey, this is this is it.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want you doing no show.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, if he's going off and doing that, that's just more exposure, like right.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's good, like like Joe Brock with the QBR thing.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody's got their own little thing going.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like QBR and like that culture.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not I'm I'm aware of that world, but I don't live there.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_05: I live, I'm a purist like to the core when it comes to four elements of hip.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's my hip hop, you know what I mean?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not gonna knock somebody else's version of it, yeah, you know, just because it's at the same time, bro.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_06: You can't please everybody, yeah.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_06: So last year we did thousand dollar rap battle, and this that wasn't the first time we'd done it, it was just the first time we've done it in a while.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_06: And then there was all these rumors that we rigged it.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, and then last night during the battle, there's like people.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_06: So my wife was sitting in the crowd and she was telling me that she could like overhear people like, oh, this is rigged, this is rigged.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like we didn't do a very good job because I didn't win.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: Like, exactly.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_06: We would have rigged it.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_06: Shout out to you.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_06: I think we're everyone on Facebook.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks a lot for joining.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_07: I don't I don't think we've I don't think we've ever won.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_07: So they think y'all rigged it.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_06: Well, we can't please everyone.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: So my just to piggyback off what they're saying, if you if y'all really believe we're pretty uh rigging it, which we're not, you are more than welcome to like have your own MC battle, and we'll do our best to show up and spread rumors that you're rigging yours to or you know what I mean?
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_06: Like, yeah.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: Man, the people saying that don't know hip hop, man.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_05: I've been telling them this, like, I don't know how many battles I've gone to breaking, and there's like three members from the crew hosting it on the judge, they're judging, and then the crew, like their members like either make it to the finals or win.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_05: That's hip-hop, man.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like, if you don't like it, throw your own battle.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that you know what I mean?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's part of the the culture, and I that's how you know that's what I meant.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like, these kids like they don't understand battle culture, man.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like, uh, b-boys, this is what we do, man.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I've been robbed, like in battles I should have won because of politics.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_05: I've you know, yeah, man.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like, it's part of it, like you, those are the stories that we talked about years ago, and I don't think that these younger generation really understand that.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah, it's okay, like it's not that big of a deal, dog.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_07: Like, yeah, it's okay to like it's okay to lose, basically.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah, you can you can be mad at at the the people throwing the event.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I've been there and done that, but at the end of the day, it's it's really not that big of a deal, man.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's just a it's just another hip-hop check mark, you know.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but uh, what's the importance of lineage and hip hop culture, and how do you pass the knowledge and passion on?
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you what, I'm not a very lineage-wise, like I I look, I love hip-hop and I love music, but there is a lot of stuff that I don't know.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think it's it's uh it's a melting pot of just knowledge, just from wherever you can grab it from.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I saw that up there, who that that uh yes, R.I.P.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: Merc, case move, gunplay music.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Merc right there, one of the greatest graffiti artists in tech in corporate in Texas.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, uh what are you saying?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_07: Oh uh Merc Merck Rock.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: He was uh Yeah, I remember when he was he he uh he was in Hellraiser crew, he's a homie.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: He he was a rapper as well, awesome ass fucking rapper as well.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Hey man, case move.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_06: I knew him back in high school, yeah.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he chopped the one.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_06: Oh Chicano Freestyle.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, when I met him, that's how he introduced himself to me.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: He was uh he was one of the pillars of graffiti in the in the hip-hop community, yeah.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: One of the homies too, him in Inc.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: And uh they used to do artwork with uh me and uh and Astro and Justin Stro.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Dallas.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember Astro?
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I'd be uh it was a long time ago in front of Little Anthony's house.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, on Botham.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, and I was just standing out there, and he so he was walking by and I got the we I don't know, we started talking and he gave me this black book.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_06: So a black book is like, yeah, okay, so you know what that is.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_06: So he gave it to me and he was like, Yeah, just take this with you.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, Yo, but I you get like I don't know you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_06: Like we just met and he's like giving me this book, he's like drawing it and whatever, and have your people drawing it and give it back to me next time I see you.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_06: And I had that book in my possession for like a few weeks until I saw him again, yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_06: So that was my earliest memory of Merck.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I used to substitute teach at uh Moody High School.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_07: I still got a book out there.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_07: Whoever's got it, give it back.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_07: That's how it goes.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: When somebody gets it and you're like, where's my book go?
• 56:58
  unknown: I don't know, man.
• 56:59
  unknown: I'm like, you had it, man.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but that's just that's how Merck was, man.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_06: Merck was that Merck was Merk was cool with everybody, yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_06: And I think that's why so many people loved him.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_07: Right on.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_07: That's good, man.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_07: I appreciate you guys coming on the show.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_07: So, journey, evolution, future prospects.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, what I mean as of right now, we're not gonna be uh we're not gonna do any kind of initiating anybody anytime soon into public zoo.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think what we got going on right now is uh I don't know if it's safe to say this.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: We're in a not a not a building phase, but we are in a we're in a phase right now where we're we're really trying to solidify what we're gonna be doing from now on.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we're gonna focus mainly on making these events as wholeheartedly rooted to its original forms and than anything other than that.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_06: We're not trying to focus on pushing the brand, the brand name because there's two sides of the public zoo, right?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_06: There's the one side that's that's us and like the core members and the core memories and all the things, the good times and the bad times that we all share together, like the lightning in the bottle, right?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_06: And then there's the other side of public zoo that's just the brand, like the surface level.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_06: And so I think we're gonna focus on pushing the uh the brand um and and kind of just building up who we use uh I don't want to say who we used to be because we're not the same people anymore, but just um like my end goal, or I think all of our end goal is like when people bring up Corpus Christi hip hop, like they should always associate that with public zoo.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, nice, and and again, I'm not gatekeeping at all.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_06: Like anyone out there listening or wants to do, they can do whatever.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, anybody can do this if you apply yourself, of course, of course, yeah.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: But and I really think that there's some youngsters that should be trying to do this and keeping something alive, but I think that's where I think that's where the problem lies as well.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard to keep these kids interested in something.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_05: You asked, you know, like a question about like how to keep it going.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_05: And uh when I was at an event, like one of the one of the promoters, Romeo from V Boy City, he uh he said, if you want to keep the scene going in your in your city, you start with the kids.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't really know how you do that with like rapping and stuff like that, but from a breaking perspective, that's why we've always been so you know, like teach the kids, even if it if you only know one move, teach somebody that move, and then they'll go teach their homie your, you know.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um, that's kind of how I plan on doing it as far as as that goes.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um as far as the zoo goes, I'm just I'm just kind of along for the ride, man.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um I hope we do get to the point though where we're we're recruiting like you know, other talent and stuff like that.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um uh we met the other day and I was like, man, I got some I got my eyes on some homies.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_05: I'd love to see them in a zoo shirt, you know.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_06: That time will come.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and I I'm that time will come.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_05: My voice right on.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_07: What's going on?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_07: Uh who's that?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_07: Uh Kelso on Facebook.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, Jr.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_07: Jr.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_07: What's up?
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_07: Uh Marcelo on uh YouTube.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_07: What's going on?
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_07: He says two-sided face, whatever that means.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um but yeah, uh Jr.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_06: JR is the homie.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_06: Um he was there last night with the food truck, his sweet Bay Easy Eats.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna give him a shout out.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, shout out, sweet Bay Easy Eats.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_07: Uh shout out uh GFlow on Facebook, the lead by example, especially for all the kiddos.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, definitely.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so I think we just keep producing quality events.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_06: The next generation will be hopefully inspired to do what we've done and maybe do it better than us.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um yeah, that's that's yeah.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_07: It's like goes down to like, oh, did you did you hear about that show?
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_07: Did you see that show or whatever?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but now it's like, oh, check it out now.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you have to like show it, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_07: That's because I had I was at work last night, and then I was like, damn, I wonder how the battle's going, or whatever.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_07: And I was trying to find like video, like is somebody doing it live so I can see actually see it, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Did it live?
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think he had a live stream on there for block leaders, I think he did.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, nice, or was it right and high podcast?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think it was block leaders.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think he did it by himself.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't really know the difference between the two.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_04: I thought they were together, block leaders and everybody knows, yeah.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, right and high podcast is its own entity by DJ Lil King and then Block Leaders is that the one where that's creep, yeah.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's his name?
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_05: That's uh cast of you've had him on.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_05: I don't the dude in the fedora, he was like like short, huh?
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_05: Creon?
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_05: Creon Martin, right?
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, yeah.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_05: I've seen him on here talking about some real shit.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_05: I want to meet him on these days.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_05: Daddy Cree.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I ain't calling the thing that's Daddy Cree.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_05: Nah, I've seen him on uh I don't think it was riding high or maybe it was here, but he was he was speaking on some real hip hop shit.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was he was saying like uh that it's not our generation no more, like uh as far as uh it's not it's it's I I'll I'll be honest, I have not seen any any youth even in the city or any around sitting uh city service and area.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's one kid, I think it is the name Merc 361.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: Or there's there's there's a kid out here that spits really nice.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he's really he's really good.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: He's got good uh good cadence, got good uh breathing, you know, technique the whole night.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I look at when I look at somebody rapping or something like that.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see what they're doing, how they're the technique, yeah, their techniques and stuff.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's if you're if you're just standing on a stage and you're just doing this right here and that's all you're doing, it's not very entertaining, you know?
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: Stage presence, dog presence and all that.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: You want to see somebody moving.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I I have not seen that in the city.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know I saw that kid, I think it is that who it is, Joe, Merc 361.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, performed, okay.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: And and like he's got he's got a good flow, good cadence, good breathing ability, but I have not seen anybody else really in the city at a young age or a younger age doing stuff like that.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what I would like to see.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, there I've never seen that kid, but a lot of people know that kid, he's got a lot of followers, I've heard, and everything like that.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, damn, I've never really seen him, but that's just the thing, too, is that where are all these people?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: If y'all are out there somewhere, where's the camera?
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: If y'all are out there and you have a talent and are really good at something, please continue to do it.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: Push forward, don't stop doing it.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: Don't be afraid to put yourself out there as well.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's like shit, like, because there's people out there who really do have talent, but it could literally be their parent or sibling that's like, oh, you fucking suck.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do that.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't why are you trying to do that?
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: That would so stupid.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_02: But you really got a talent, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: But they're just they they don't want to see you doing that, and people get discouraged really quick when the whole thing is just keep fucking doing what you want to do, right?
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's there should be no setback or boundaries for yourself if you really enjoy or love doing what you're doing.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: So if there's any rappers out there that are really good, start showing up to these events, start doing something and getting your voice.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_07: Shout out Matt, Noah, and El Valgo on Facebook.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks a lot, you guys, for joining the chat.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_06: Me and Noah got the same last name.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_06: We must be cousins.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_07: Ah, so these nice.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I was gonna ask, because you're talking about like uh updating music-wise, like because it now it's about streaming, right?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you gotta push your your your single out or whatever.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_07: It's not CDs no more.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you I bought a CD last night?
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you did?
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: Were yes.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Mac Yames, man.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out uh co-collective, he showed up with CDs, and I was like, I'm gonna buy one of those motherfuckers, man.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, give me a CD, bro.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't look.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: I said that immediately after I bought it.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know you got a fucking T D player, but just the fact that he had CDs and he was willing to merch it like that.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was like, that's fucking what's up.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I'll find a CD player somewhere.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll throw it in a DVD player.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, my truck's old enough, it's got a CD player.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_07: My daughter, dude, she's nine.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_07: Uh uh, the Honda that we have is still has a CD player.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_07: She's like, what is that?
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_07: So we got her, dude.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_07: Every time we go for a ride, she just takes her CD with her.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, CDs are coming back.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_07: I was thinking that too.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, man, it's the vintage wave.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, man.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_05: We got we buy my uh my six-year-old, uh, a CD player with little like walkmen.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, that gives if you try to put it in.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh man.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_05: I was in that era.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_05: We were in that era.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_06: The Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2's coming out.
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  SPEAKER_05: Mom, let me put him on Wu Tang, dude.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have to like tell him to skip certain certain tracks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, my son is heavy into Doom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really?
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  SPEAKER_02: He he loves Doom.
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  SPEAKER_02: He loves MF Doom.
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  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't fuck with me though.
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  SPEAKER_01: My son don't fuck with me on my lyrics and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you got stuff on on No, I don't really put out music like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just I just kind of rap, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've done it before I've put out CDs with waste of talent and other stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just want to think like he's a heart.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just do my thing, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've I've never really pursued it like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've always just liked to rap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you say he's an MC like the MC, yeah, not a rapper.
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  SPEAKER_05: I mean, he could he could wear both hats, but I consider it.
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  SPEAKER_05: like india mc what's the difference between an mc and a rapper of the master of ceremony i'm able to i'm able to control the crowd i'm able to what is care as what's i'll get you uh i'll get you involved in the show stuff that's mostly legal i try to try to try to incorporate instead of feeding when i want you yeah when i when i'm when i'm rapping i'm watching you too so if you're looking at me from the from the state from the floor of the stage i'm looking at you too so you you're gonna feel like you're there right there wow i'm not gonna go yeah looking everywhere else i'm right here on you it's like that's a basic element of hip hop too yeah i want you to i want you to be there there is an outspoken kills cd out there yeah i gotta get that one i have an indie man i have an indie i have an indie mixtape still i'm telling man i i put out a couple of little things back in the day but as far as like trying to do fully produced music i never i never i i made my own uh i recorded my own stuff one time when i was really fucking heavy into it and i think that's probably my best work but that was even from 2005 or 2006 like but ultimately though i i'll I will never I don't think I'll ever diminish out here I think uh I think I I keep enough entertainment and topics that I talk about when I'm rapping that you you're you're forced to listen I mean yeah really like a little bit off topic but can I tell a story it's pretty funny it's about I just dropped that that uh KRS one quote it kind of made me think of this um so at work for what I do I have to interview like like new hires and stuff like that that I I do the onboarding stuff for our company and um we had this kid come in one time it was probably like early this year and he uh comes in he's like I could tell he's kind of like Erby's got kind of the like a little swag about him you know I'm like hey man like you know what's your story where you from he's like I just got back in Cali it's cool man what you doing out there and he's like I'm doing music and I was like that's cool man like what kind of music and he's like and he's like trying to be like like fake humble about it you know he's like you know I was like yeah just like that just like that like nothing too crazy ain't nothing too crazy I was out in Cali doing music you know I got I got flown out there by a producer and he's flexing and I have like I'm I don't wear you know we I wear a different shirt y'all seen it fits but yeah you dress like Wednesday Adams I dress like Wednesday Adams that's I was waiting for I gave him the layup on the burn but yeah I'm in my Wednesday Adams attire interviewing this kid and I was like hey man so you're a rapper huh he's like yeah I go uh I was like just you might if I ask a question on that he's like what's up I was like yo what's the four elements of hip hop just curiosity and like the funny part is he tried to get like like deep about it and he's like you know man that's a that's a pretty pretty broad question and I was like not really not really he's like he's like no no you know like you gotta think of it like and I'm like whoa you don't have to think of it like anything just just four elements bro and he's like well no because you know it's creativity and it's this I was like I'll tell you what man I was like I don't want to spend too much time on this but just you're fucking fired right I go I just google it real quick and he's like is it breakdancing MC and graffiti and DJing I was like yeah man and he's like I was like you're good bro just put your phone on and I continue the interview like nothing bro I uh I uh I ended up hiring him but I told him after it was funny because I had just seen a dude right before that quote uh Saul Williams and they say and I I'm not gonna pretend like I know anything about rapping or MC but uh the poet that I watched quoted Saul Williams and he said uh they should have never gave the MC the cordless mic or they should have never gave the MC the cordless mic because he strayed too far from the store so you know and I for me the rapper's gonna be mad but like I see that with like rap culture like straying so far from hip hop and so it related and here we are we have this young kid who's a rapper doesn't know the the history that's just me being a purist kind of being an OG hater if you would but no that's really so how do you feel about like some of some some artists or whatever like making it commercialized I mean man it is that was breaking too I I will say now I try not to be that old guy like the old you know salty like that's hot hip hop end but at the same time like I I make it clear like this is my lane of hip hop this is what I'm into and if you're doing it to make money or whatever whatever reason like that's on you man like cats are a lot of kids are getting into it for money if you want my opinion on it I don't think I think your reasons are what creates your longevity you know what I mean if you're doing it for money and you don't blow up in the in the first couple years then you're probably not gonna be around very long.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean and I I've seen that like we've seen that I'm not gonna name drop but we've seen that just being around the rap culture because of public zoo like there's cats that when I was doing my probation at the beginning of the year aren't making moves anymore because they didn't have the success and I I feel like it comes one from your reasons why you're doing it and and two like um your your foundation I was talking to a musician he he does a lot of like a lot of local gigs and yeah I know you can relate to this but man he gave me a dope quote it would uh he said because we were talking about how you know in breaking you have to have a foundation you have to have your your your footwork your your baby freeze your your foundation before you can start doing power moves you got to have foundation right and he gave me this quote he said uh he's like before you can before you can come in and start decorating the house like you you gotta have a something to to decorate on yeah and I was like damn he said you gotta have your walls you gotta have your your base like I was like damn that's cold I'm gonna steal that um but that's how it is like a lot of these kids don't have a a foundation you know and their reasons aren't the or even just uh somebody who's doing it like that's the other thing too is like I mean there could be kids out there that are actually into this and they don't have any kind of outlet because they don't have another friend that's doing it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like I think that plays a part on some of the stuff with some of these younger kids too is like or or they're in that there it's that era of life right now where if you're doing something uh that's even remotely different from somebody it's like oh that's weird like don't do that to them or if you don't get success right away they get really discouraged and everybody is kids like that or dude like if you're not put it right here put it right here buddy like no we can't social media hasn't like especially like the Instagrams and the Facebooks the instant gratification has like it it's it's infiltrated like they're so if they don't get the residuals that they want at that time and if you're really about hip-hop or you're really about any kind of culture like um I've I know I come from a BMX background and we would spend hours to learn one trick.
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  SPEAKER_05: So when I got into breaking spending I spent five years trying to work on one combo.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean like it's not uncommon to to our world about you know for for dedicating that kind of time and I I don't I think with anything the ones that want to do it you'll see them in a few years and the ones that don't but I think it's easier for us the older I get it's easier to spot the ones that will likely not be around I don't know if y'all see the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah no definitely we've seen people come and go like over the years absolutely like big time you don't want to be that that dude but like when they're talking you can kind of see it that it it's almost like they're faking the funk or like you want to be I've I've gone to be nicer about it and be like yo man that's cool man I I think one thing that the internet and social media ruined was art.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think uh I think that how so yeah I think it's the uh like I'll I'll my prime example right now I think would probably be like the uh like the the the bikini clad girls doing graffiti murals and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know but it's it it's like somebody who went to art school for it like you know in comparison to uh was naturally doing it the guy who was naturally doing it is now getting the bad end of the stick because he was doing this for you know just his regular old compassion for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: These people do it nowadays just to get likes and clicks on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of become to where people are more focused on the other stuff that they think it oh look at she's got her titties hanging out or or this guy's over here you know doing this like oh look at that where actual guys who just or the other shit that pisses me off is when they do the whole projection screen shit when they project onto the wall and then they just go and outline up yeah you know that that to me that's shit.
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  SPEAKER_02: I fucking what's wrong to I don't give a fuck I don't give a fuck yeah I don't care I if I know you and I said something and you don't like it I'm I I don't care I'm sorry I just I don't like that shit it I think it takes away I think it takes away from people who actually have talent I think that because I mean for us kids can go out there and trace the whole fucking day a few years behind y'all quote I mean you can always just swipe away you know what I mean yeah that's why I said I don't really I don't get on the internet too much like I don't really post anything like I like with y'all I mean y'all come from a generation where that stuff didn't exist.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah I really don't they're early old to your face um I was not too far behind but one of the things that like for me it I feel like it's easy to get sucked up into that uh and get annoyed by like all the shit you're seeing but I think for for me like I'm okay if like when it comes to like me posting stuff on breaking I don't give a shit if anybody like anybody outside anybody who doesn't break or is not in the Texas breaking scene if they don't like my my post on breaking I can care less dude you know what I mean the Texas b boys and my my crew if they see it and they're like yo that's dope then that's then I won you know what I mean and anybody else like give two shits you know yeah but the banana on the wall did sell for six million and say hey on Facebook says banana on the wall sold for six million and he ate it too I believe no what if I paid six million for a banana I'm gonna eat it too I believe he ate it I think I but I believe he ate it thanks a lot Joe being in the chat appreciate you Joe BZ well thanks a lot you guys for coming on the show uh so how how do you how would you like to promote yourselves or uh hey uh almighty public zoo on Instagram it's uh that's the best way to know what we're doing uh not like individually know what we're doing but like as a group what we're doing next uh um yeah so if y'all want to follow us on that if you haven't already go ahead and do that yeah and it's it's almighty is two words is not because I was trying to search on some stuff and it came almighty I was like yeah all mighty oh the AL mighty yeah yeah so the that way is like a religious thing right like and then there's all Marty which is like a collective group of people that are seeing or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_06: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so on Instagram basically on Instagram that's good you guys you want to plug your personals I mean I know outspoken kills on all the platforms or I would just look up Indiana walking stick and find my life story.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Just find me on the public zoo IG and you can follow also also shout out uh craft crew disc off like you said I don't have a cool nickname so I can't be like yo go follow outspoken like I'm just Isaac there's a million Isaac Sanji the one from Corpus dude he's like Isaac under what is it triggering people go for it he looks like he would be on the no fly list bro you were doing good this whole time I wonder why it's a quiet of there he's waiting for yeah he was waiting to use it well first off they got rid of that they got rid of that they got rid of that list that joke he comes in twice a year and he's like let me know when the pull no uh yeah now watch out for us uh we got some stuff coming up uh thank you for having us out here today he looks like the type of dude that would like search me and be like hey no you need your luggage needs to be checked checks luggage yeah he's got the we checking his luggage trust me it is a random line it's random I'm not even next in line what the they just pull him out you I'm not right now right now we got a question from G flow what do y'all think about South Park Mexican and the charge he was commanding what he does oh okay uh I remember that that's that's fucking old right there where's the okay yeah okay uh shit uh I'll tell you what I don't I I'll just I'll just speak a bit on this G flow uh I don't know if he did it if he did it he did it he's locked up if he didn't do it then they owe him some money but I don't know if if I I haven't seen the video so if there's no video I don't know but as far as that goes I don't even listen to South Park Mexican man I'm more of a chingo bling kind of guy myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I like a chingo bling shout out chingo bling shout out chingo blingo bling yeah if you see this follow me yeah Ramon Esparza just waking up and y'all already had it it's a Mexican quest Mexican quick hey shout out shout out shout out freak man yeah he got he got he got sent home he got sent home by me but he took me home appreciate that right he's a villain I thought you said you weren't pissing everybody who won the battle last night a trip trip trip yeah good good dude one of our homies too he's freaking oh man he's uh he's a really good dude he he was behind the scenes in a lot of the stuff back in the day when we're doing battles and stuff uh he uh he was in some of the goal fors he was making some of the music he would just come to some of the freestyle sessions and stuff and hang out and whatever don't do that damn sorry freak I'm disappointed with freak oh damn oh no but yeah trip uh awesome dude congratulations trip I hate you but I love you at the same time it's all good uh man he he he did really good last night man yeah entertaining so the battle wasn't rigged no no you know I don't people say that though you know what I I've been places where I'm rapping and I don't even think I rapped very great last night I did alright I've been places where I'm fucking rapping really fucking good and people just be like oh he wrote that oh that's written oh he did no uh no he he already came with that like dog like don't be mad because I'm good at my craft it's because it's easy to do that yeah don't be mad at my craft I've been doing this shit for over 20 years I've been doing this since I was 14 like and this shit's just natural to me so I may not say the best shit nowadays but I'm still capable of using this thing up here to my best of my ability and it's not gonna end anytime soon so y'all just be mad if y'all don't like it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well thanks for coming on the show we got to wrap it up you guys Isaac John Indiana walking sticky name real quick let me finish this up real quick just so y'all know because everybody's always wondering Indiana walking stick my mom was in love with Harrison Ford when he came out as Han Solo in Star Wars in 77 she was pregnant with me rest in peace my mom uh in 81 and that's when Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Star came out so that's how I got Indiana Indiana damn what a way to close conversation started out stay tuned for some more episodes you guys pub might almighty public Sue thanks for joining um yeah we got some more episodes coming on stay tuned thanks a lot you guys stay on Skeet Skeet