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Pirates fire Shelton, Ken Rosenthal joins, Pivetta’s tipping battle, Red Sox replay review · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's funny, but let's not
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  Speaker 1: make it so obvious. Giants like hey good, hey good,
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  Speaker 1: look at me, look at me.
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  Speaker 2: Out of love when news breaks minutes before the show starts.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in just a moment. It is
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  Speaker 2: a live show every day all year round.
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  Speaker 1: No, they haven't Scott, they haven't named the pope yet,
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  Speaker 1: so we don't have to we don't have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that. He's wait, that is waiting patiently. There is
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  Speaker 1: a new one. There was white smoke today, no black, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: white smoke.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna rely on you to report when we get
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  Speaker 2: the name. You have to say it and pronounce it correctly.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, you are a pope expert on the
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  Speaker 3: show today.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of pressure, yeah, a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 4: of pressure on me to name the pope if they ever,
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  Speaker 4: if they ever get to it, because honestly, I've been
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  Speaker 4: watching this thing for like forty five to fifty minutes
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  Speaker 4: and it's just a lot of pop and circumstance, which
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  Speaker 4: is cool.
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  Speaker 1: Tradition is cool and all, you know and everything, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's get this poke out here.
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  Speaker 2: TV networks are loving it because they get to go.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get a name when we come back. After
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  Speaker 2: you watch three minutes of commercials. I'm not gonna hate
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  Speaker 2: on commercials. They pay the bills for everyone, including us. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: exactly before we begin, AJ, you were just named dork
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  Speaker 2: of the week on Fair Territory. We talked about it
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  Speaker 2: a couple days ago, but it actually did happen. Fair
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  Speaker 2: Territory just completed. If you want to check it out
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  Speaker 2: after our show, go for it. But any quick reply,
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  Speaker 2: I know you caught some of it.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Ken, I don't. I find it extremely unprofessional,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Ken's going to join us here in
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  Speaker 1: a minute that he showed text messages that I sent
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  Speaker 1: in a private chat. I feel like there's a lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: somewhere involved in that them. Maybe I could suit him
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  Speaker 1: for a bow tie or something. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like listen, Ken's just mad because his raindolay was
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  Speaker 1: three plus hours and we were done with a fifty
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  Speaker 1: seven minute raindolay. Before we were done, they were just starting.
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  Speaker 1: It was perfect for Fox. We went from Baltimore, Kansas,
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  Speaker 1: City of Baltimore right in to Dodgers of Braves. It
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  Speaker 1: was like the perfect segue. They got home at one thirty.
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  Speaker 1: I was sleeping by the time. You know, I was
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  Speaker 1: long since I sleep by the time they got on
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  Speaker 1: the air.
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  Speaker 3: Fair trade off crats.
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  Speaker 2: I think instead of the lawsuit settlement with the bow tie,
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  Speaker 2: is Ken wearing a backwards hat at some point in
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  Speaker 2: life and taking a photo for us.
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  Speaker 6: I have a picture of Ken and Grimace, so that's
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  Speaker 6: the only photo I need. This is between This is
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  Speaker 6: between AJ and Ken. I'm sitting my non fox face
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  Speaker 6: out of this.
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  Speaker 3: Fair Okay, can can make it?
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  Speaker 1: Can can make it up to me? This weekend I
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  Speaker 1: am going to see him in New York. But we
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  Speaker 1: all know that Ken's wallet has never been seen, so
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: The alligator arm battle is on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, what's up? Oh? I can't get down there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't get to my pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Ken's gonna join us in a couple minutes. But let's
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  Speaker 2: chime in on this topic first. On our side, breaking news, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: we love breaking news on this show. You don't love
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  Speaker 2: when someone loses their job. And this is actually a
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  Speaker 2: guy who is very well respected, a super nice guy
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  Speaker 2: in the game. Derek Shelton and the manager of the
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  Speaker 2: Pirates for about five years now has been let go
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  Speaker 2: by the team. The team sucks. They're twelve and twenty
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  Speaker 2: six to start the year. They did nothing in the offseason,
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  Speaker 2: just like they always do. They lost Jared Jones to
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  Speaker 2: start the season, so they haven't seen him yet. They're
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  Speaker 2: in shambles a j in a variety of ways right now,
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  Speaker 2: and he's just the fall guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is not Derek Shelton's fault, not
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  Speaker 1: Derek Shelden's fault. They didn't bring in any offensive so
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  Speaker 1: offseason they didn't go out and try it with Skeins
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  Speaker 1: and Keller, and I know Jared Jones was heard and
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  Speaker 1: then Chandler coming, but like.
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  Speaker 7: It's not his fault.
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  Speaker 1: He did the best he could, I think. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I've known Derek Shelton for a really long time, from
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  Speaker 1: back when he was a hitting coach forever ago. So
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  Speaker 1: he's had a great run. He'll get another job. He's
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  Speaker 1: well liked in baseball and he'll find another job. Will
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  Speaker 1: he be a manager again anytime soon? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not Derek Shelton's fault. I know they fired him,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, listen, I love Don Kelly too. I
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  Speaker 1: love Don Kelly. I played against Don Kelly for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. He's kind of the next guy in waiting.
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  Speaker 1: They had him sitting there. They're trying a different voice.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are the Pirates going to the playoffs?
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  Speaker 7: Scott Kratz.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not.
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  Speaker 7: No, they're not.
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  Speaker 6: And that's not Derek Shelton's fault. That's not gonna be
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  Speaker 6: Don Kelly's fault, who I also think is gonna be
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  Speaker 6: a great manager. But unlike some of the managers that
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  Speaker 6: just recently got fired in the last year, Derek Shelton
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  Speaker 6: should get another managerial job, and this time it'll be
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  Speaker 6: a job that's not like a tryout job, because the
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  Speaker 6: Pirates essentially said, hey, we want you to make apple juice,
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  Speaker 6: but we're gonna give you a bunch of lemons. Go
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  Speaker 6: at it like to me the way that you grade
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  Speaker 6: how Derek Shelton did. Ask the players what they thought of,
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  Speaker 6: Ask the players what it was like for them to
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  Speaker 6: come to the park, Ask players who have improved under him,
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  Speaker 6: how he is, how he is as a manager. And
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  Speaker 6: to me, that's his resume, not the record that Bob
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  Speaker 6: Nutting refused to try to improve for his manager.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be real.
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  Speaker 2: Most people are looking at this team not expecting much,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what we're getting. So let's get more here
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  Speaker 2: from our FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal, fresh off of
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  Speaker 2: Fair Territory but more time to digest the news. Ken,
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're not surprised, but what do you think
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  Speaker 2: about what's been a disaster start to the year for
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  Speaker 2: the organization. I'm gonna say that not just the product
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  Speaker 2: on the field.
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  Speaker 5: Not at all surprised by this. And while everything AJ
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  Speaker 5: and Eric just said is true about Derek Shelton, they
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  Speaker 5: were in classic fire the Manager Territory twelve and twenty six,
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  Speaker 5: there seems to be a malaise about them. Is it
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  Speaker 5: his fault? As AJ said, it's absolutely not his fault.
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  Speaker 5: This problem that they have goes so much deeper. It
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  Speaker 5: goes to the general manager who has not done enough
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  Speaker 5: with limited resources, and it goes to the owner who
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  Speaker 5: continually provides limited resources. And I just pointed this out
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  Speaker 5: on Fair Territory. There are teams in similar financial circumstances Milwaukee, Tampa, Bay, Cleveland.
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  Speaker 5: You can even put the A's in that situation right
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  Speaker 5: now or that category. They seem to find a way.
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  Speaker 5: They seem to come up with players. They seem to
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  Speaker 5: just keep it going in a competitive sense. The A's
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  Speaker 5: are new to this relatively speaking. They're just getting competitive now.
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  Speaker 5: But those other three teams, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Tampa Bay,
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  Speaker 5: they're pretty good year after year. If you're the Pittsburgh Pirates,
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  Speaker 5: why can't you do that now? They don't spend enough,
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  Speaker 5: no question. Their off season was dismal in my opinion,
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  Speaker 5: and then they had injuries on top of that. Spencer Horwitz,
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  Speaker 5: their main acquisition, has been out the whole year. But
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  Speaker 5: they need to do better. They need to find players,
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  Speaker 5: they need to develop players, They need to put together
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  Speaker 5: a greater depth of talent than they have. And right
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  Speaker 5: now what's going to happen is the scrutiny is now
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  Speaker 5: going to go to Ben Sherrington, as it should in fairness,
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  Speaker 5: I just don't know the answers there when the owner
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  Speaker 5: is ultimately the biggest problem.
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  Speaker 6: The five year plan for Ben Sherrington is obviously at
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  Speaker 6: the end, and you just mentioned it is is it
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  Speaker 6: unprecedented to think, well, you know what, this guy's done it.
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  Speaker 6: He's done it in a sense that you haven't heard
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  Speaker 6: any peep from Ben Sherrington saying, well, you know, I
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  Speaker 6: haven't really gotten anything. It's been positive. We're pushing in
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  Speaker 6: the right direction that he gets another five year plan
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  Speaker 6: under Bob Nutting.
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  Speaker 5: I would be shocked if he got another five years.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know what his contractual situation is exactly,
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  Speaker 5: but I believe, if I'm not mistaken, this is year
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  Speaker 5: six of this regime, the Sherrington Shelton regime. Nutting for
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  Speaker 5: the past two off seasons has raised expectations, has said
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  Speaker 5: he expects more. So from that perspective to this is
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  Speaker 5: not surprising. But at some point this does fall in
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  Speaker 5: the general manager. And then when it falls in the
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  Speaker 5: general manager, which it almost inevitably will hear you asked
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  Speaker 5: the question, Okay, how does this get better? Hard to
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  Speaker 5: imagine it's get better under this owner. And then you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about, well, why not sell the team? A lot
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  Speaker 5: of people in Pittsburgh want him to sell the team.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people in baseball, I imagine, want him
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  Speaker 5: to sell the team because he is not putting out
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  Speaker 5: a competitive product and they can talk about their investment
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  Speaker 5: in infrastructure. Some low revenue teams always do. We're spending
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  Speaker 5: in the miners we're spending on.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine.
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  Speaker 5: There's a major league team too. That's the main product,
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  Speaker 5: and that's the product that you have to figure out
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  Speaker 5: a way to make competitive.
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  Speaker 1: Ken, you mentioned the Rays and the Guardians and the A's.
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  Speaker 1: They have good players. Though, they have good players, and
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  Speaker 1: they go out and they do supplement him with other
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  Speaker 1: good players.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The Guardians, they went out, they couldn't keep Naylor, so
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  Speaker 1: they went out and got Carlos Santana. And they're always
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  Speaker 1: making moves to try to get better. And they do
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  Speaker 1: sign some free agents, like they brought back Shane Bieber, right,
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  Speaker 1: they brought in Alex Kybb last year to try to help,
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  Speaker 1: and they do make some moves. So to me, it's
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  Speaker 1: apples and order just because the Pirates, I mean Tommy
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  Speaker 1: fam Okay, we love Tommy, right, but he's not taking
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  Speaker 1: your team to the next level along with what you
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  Speaker 1: already have, right, right, they a spend money like so
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  Speaker 1: to me, this is a complete failure from top to
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  Speaker 1: bottom of development. And they develop some pitchers, we'll give
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  Speaker 1: them that, right, but some of their position players haven't
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  Speaker 1: done what they thought. O'Neil Kruz comes to mind, right,
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  Speaker 1: why was he not in center field in the minor league,
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  Speaker 1: so when he gets there, he doesn't have to learn that.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, this is just it's hard to say, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to compare him to this team or that
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  Speaker 1: team because this is a different animal. You know, talk
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  Speaker 1: about the race the Rays develop.
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  Speaker 5: Right, here's way the comparison is valid. The comparison is
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  Speaker 5: valid because the financial resources are similar. And those teams
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  Speaker 5: that you just said make more with less in a
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  Speaker 5: way that the Pirates do not. So when a manager
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  Speaker 5: is fired, it's an organizational failure. Let's not mistake that
• 9:55
  Speaker 5: it is an organizational failure when the manager gets fired.
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  Speaker 5: And that's true for a big market team or a
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  Speaker 5: small market team. It's never just on the manager. But
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  Speaker 5: while you're right in saying, yes, those teams spend more
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  Speaker 5: money from a payroll perspective, it's not that dramatic a difference.
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  Speaker 7: It's not.
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  Speaker 5: The Dodgers and the Marlins and Milwaukee didn't do much
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  Speaker 5: this off season. They seem to find a way to
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  Speaker 5: keep it going. Tampa Bay they signed the guy that
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  Speaker 5: hasn't even played yet, Kim, and that was their big expenditure.
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  Speaker 5: So you're right, those teams are more aggressive in the
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  Speaker 5: way they go about it, but there's still no excuse
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  Speaker 5: for the pirates to be this far behind those clubs.
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  Speaker 2: So ken Don Kelly takes over as intern manager for
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  Speaker 2: the Pirates and unless there is some miraculous run that
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  Speaker 2: he's able to figure out with the same roster, probably
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  Speaker 2: going to be sellers at the trade deadline. So how
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  Speaker 2: do you see the next month or two playing out
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  Speaker 2: for Pittsburgh assuming that it doesn't get that much better
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: and they're not I don't know the Tigers of the
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  Speaker 2: second half of the year because it's not the same talent.
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  Speaker 5: It's interesting, Scott I was just talking to general manager
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  Speaker 5: this morning and he said, you know what, the Pirates
• 12:04
  Speaker 5: are a team. You can't look at them like the
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  Speaker 5: Marlins and Rockies because come the second half of the season,
• 12:09
  Speaker 5: if they get Bubba Chandler in the rotation, if Jared
• 12:12
  Speaker 5: Jones gets healthy, and they get some of their offensive
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  Speaker 5: players back horward, it's kind of filefa et cetera. They'll
• 12:17
  Speaker 5: be a more competitive, kind of pesky team that I
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  Speaker 5: would imagine is still their idea in making this change.
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  Speaker 5: They want to be better, but at the deadline short
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  Speaker 5: they will be sellers. And Andrew Heeney, I would imagine
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  Speaker 5: if he keeps pitching well, will be someone who is attractive,
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  Speaker 5: maybe one of their relievers. It's not like that's been
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  Speaker 5: a strength for them. So yeah, they're sellers, But what
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: are they selling.
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  Speaker 7: Are they gonna sell.
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  Speaker 5: Cabrian Hayes or Brian Reynolds or one of those guys.
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  Speaker 5: Are they gonna sell Paul Skins? I don't see that happening.
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  Speaker 1: So they're in a really.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting and difficult spot because they're not much they can
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  Speaker 5: do to improve in that sense. What they need to do,
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  Speaker 5: obviously is draft better, develop better, spend more money. I
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  Speaker 5: mean all of these things again, organizational failure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Ken, before we get into a different subject, I
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  Speaker 1: got a couple of things. One, why not just keep
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  Speaker 1: Derek Shelton until those guys get there and then see
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  Speaker 1: what you can do with the full team.
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  Speaker 5: But that's okay, hey, let me answer that. I think
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  Speaker 5: in this situation, Derek Shelton seemed to be out of answers,
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  Speaker 5: and every night they were talking about we just need
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  Speaker 5: to be more consistent and better. Yes, all true, but
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  Speaker 5: what they're looking for with Kelly is a.
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  Speaker 3: Spark and a new voice.
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  Speaker 5: You see this all the time in the game with
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  Speaker 5: hitting coaches, sometimes pitching coaches, often managers. That's all they're
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  Speaker 5: looking for here, and again it's not his fault. I
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  Speaker 5: can see the argument for keeping him, but they needed
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  Speaker 5: to change something, and this is the first change. I
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  Speaker 5: don't expect it will be the last.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And then let me go to the league wide
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  Speaker 1: question of this, ken is is this the first domino
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  Speaker 1: to fall? Because we've heard about other managers. You've talked
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  Speaker 1: to other managers on the hot seat. One team's done it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a copy count league, as other teams that are
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: managers might be on that seat. Does this make it
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  Speaker 1: easier for them to make a change.
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  Speaker 5: It shouldn't have any effect on any other team. Every
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: team is its own organism. But you're right, Aj, that
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  Speaker 5: often does happen. In fact, I often tell the story
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  Speaker 5: of when my son was born in nineteen ninety one,
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: the first three days of his life, a manager was
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  Speaker 5: fired Cubs, Royals and then the Oriols, and I was
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: covering the Ools at the time, and of course I
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: had to work two days after my son was born.
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  Speaker 5: But yes, these things do tend to run in waves,
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  Speaker 5: and they often take place around this time of the year,
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  Speaker 5: when the season is getting a little bit more deeper
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  Speaker 5: or getting deeper into the season, and this is a
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  Speaker 5: little early. Maybe we're about twenty three percent in usually
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  Speaker 5: at the forty five percent mark or halfway, not halfway.
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  Speaker 5: But even before that things will happen. I would not
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  Speaker 5: be surprised to see other managers get fired. Two guys
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  Speaker 5: that I thought would might or would be in trouble,
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  Speaker 5: Rockaballdeli and Brandon hyde Hide still could be, I guess
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  Speaker 5: because they can't get out of their own way, but
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  Speaker 5: that is purely a question of their rotation not being
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  Speaker 5: able to get them any kind of quality at all.
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  Speaker 5: Ball Deli. His team's playing better and that's a good
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  Speaker 5: sign for the twins. They're healthy again. So I don't
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  Speaker 5: necessarily see either of those happening. But yes, these things
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  Speaker 5: do tend to run in waves.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Ken, Now my last thing. I know, I was
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  Speaker 1: dork of the week, and that's fine. I deserve it.
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  Speaker 1: But do you retain a lawyer? Do you have a
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: lawyer on retainer? Because there could be a lawsuit coming
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: for you showing text messages that were sent privately amongst people,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and then you showing go on the air that is
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: not legal. Ken, so there could be a lawsuit coming
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: your way. Just be prepared.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I am married to an attorney. I am the son
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: of an attorney.
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: Bringing on.
• 15:59
  Speaker 8: Oh okay, okay, like that, Morgan. We have Morgan and Morgan,
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: and they're for the people.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Ken, Okay, I would say those texts were pretty indocuous.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Reveal whatever that means. Ken, But I just because you're
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: jealous that we had an hour rain delay and we're
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: still done before you guys went on the air. So
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I understand, you're you're you're all right.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Hold on a second.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: For those who weren't watching our show, here's what happened.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: AJ is doing the Royals Orioles game last week.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: And again there's a new pope. Wait, there's a new pope.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Can't wait, we'll finish this later. Wait no, no, go again.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: All right, So what happened was AJ starts a text
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: chain and at that point we're in a rain delay
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: and the Oriols Royals game that he is doing is
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: not and AJ says in the text chain, hey guys,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: watch and learn see how it's done. Because of course
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: we're not gonna be on the air. He's going to
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: be on the air commanding the entire country within minutes.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: His game went into a rain delay, and I said, huh,
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: the baseball God's got your buddy. That's why AJ is
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: dork of the Week.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't get me, because I would take you
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a picture. I was home in bed and you guys
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: were doing the open. Ken had even gone on the air,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, check out my pj's Ken,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: because you guys aren't even on the air and I'm
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: in bed with my feet up.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Well, that was true. We had a three hour rain delay.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Very true.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: These are all real things, and you get to see
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: inside the life of AJ and Ken, including text messages,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: which I'm a fan of. So I would be rooting
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: in Ken's favor if I'm the jury during this epic
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: court case that we're gonna have someday on Foul Territory
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: with all of our families involved.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: All right, Ken, thank you. We'll talk to you about USA.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: By the way, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA new car.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: The new Pope is American, so usay baby.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Well, thanks for the breaking news.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: AJ.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: I appreciate I.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: All fled full circle, full service show.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Thank you. Ken. Thanks.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's spend two.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: More minutes on the pirates Kratz, I hate on them
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: pretty good since this show has existed.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: And we all know the root of the problem.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So at some point it does feel like you're beating
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: a dead horse, But you can't change the owner. That's
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: not going to change, most likely for a while. Then
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you have to look down and for me, the failures
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: on Ben charingteam, right, I mean, other teams are able
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: to put this together. The manager's not winning them an
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: extra ten to fifteen to twenty games to get them
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: No, and the next GM has to come in and
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: be willing to maybe even change the culture of the
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: coaching staff, not the people, just the culture of it
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: in the minor leagues, not in the big leagues. In
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: the minor leagues, because they clearly have to do it
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: from within and produce not just pitchers. They had a
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: wave of position players that came through and that was
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: that was the core of that play off run. They
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: had a few pitchers smattered in there. It has to
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: be everybody. They can't make missteps. And when you're a GM,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: you're the one that's gonna have to take the blame. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: you didn't get any money, it's not your fault age.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I meant it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I've watched probably eight to ten Pirates games this year,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a good chunk of them.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Rike's you gotta spread it out. They suck.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're not the worst team in the league, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not any good either. But yeah, I mean, Paul
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Skeins already has four losses. He only had three last year,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them. His numbers aren't that there,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: still has great numbers, but they don't score any runs.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So I just don't know what you expect out of
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  Speaker 1: the manager to do if you just you know, there's
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• 19:44
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• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Luis Castillo moves from the Mariners to the Orioles, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it's Luis F. Castio, so there is your trade alert.
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  Speaker 2: The Mariners get money, the Orioles get an arm. And
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  Speaker 2: there were some discussions in the offseason, or at least
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: rumors flying between these two teams that maybe that deal
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: could have happened for the really good Louis Castillo.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the Mariners.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Are pretty glad that they didn't end up figuring something
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: out because right now, Aj they are humming and I mean,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: this is a top five offense by most metrics at
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the moment. Ken Rosenthal let off fair territory talking about
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: a Seattle team that's one, I think, nine straight series
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in a row, first place in the AL West, off
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to an awesome start. All you got to do is
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: sign Raddy Tulez and not put some weird plate appearance
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: incentives around it and screw them over at the end
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: of the season like the Pirates.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Mariners are doing it right now. Give them credit in
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this move. I guess it helps the Oriols. They need
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: more arms. They're beat up big time, but no Mariners.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Orioles are thirteen and twenty two. Now they've
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: dropped a couple here to the Twins. Another tough loss yesterday.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It's getting late early. This is the prime example of, Hey,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you can lose a season this early in the season.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You have a lot of ground to make up. The
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: AL East in general, Kratz is not in a great spot.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Besides the Yankees and the Red Sox.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: Everybody's gonna look at the Astro. All the Astros struggled
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: last year.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: The Astros had six years of history of making the playoffs,
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: making a bunch of World Series during that time.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: The Oos don't have that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Kratz, you want to help us explain what happened
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: in the Red Sox game yesterday? Alex Korra said that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: he was confused the call of the runner safe at
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: first stood after they went to replay. This went semi
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: viral on Foul Territory's Twitter account.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: What did you see?
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: That's all play? That tanner Houck didn't set his feet
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: to throw. He tried to just launch it right here.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: The first baseman does not have control of the baseball,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: so being in the runner's lane, he becomes its interference,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: and if the runner is not able to touch first base,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: he is considered safe, or else you would just have
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: the first baseman stand in front of the base until
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: he gets the ball. The guy would have to run
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: around him or slow down. And so it's basically, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: don't know the exact verbiage, but because he was he
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: impeded his route to first base without having control of
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: the ball.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: He's considered safe even though he did not touch the base.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. What you said was right. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: mean because people with Boston's arguing is he got the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: ball back and touch the base before Wyat Langford was
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: able to get there, and I think it was White. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it was White Langford.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: They did it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, wire Lancers should have just trucked him. But
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: is this the problem with Boston's first basement. They don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: know what they're doing because they've never played over there, right, Like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it goes back to that they got. I think it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was Romy Gonzalez. He's never he's really never played over there,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: so this is their first basement. This is what they got.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So I mean, this is all goes back to that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, they they won the game and cost me
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: my my over under. But that's fine.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: And another thing for kids who are watching, if we
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: show the replay again, the ball's on the ground, don't
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: pick the ball up with your glove. You have a
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: first basement's mid especially pick it up with your bare hand.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: If he picks it up with his bare hand and
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: his foot's on the base, he's trying to he's trying
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: to find it, find it right. Yeah, so yeah, it's
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: part of it. But this isn't I mean, it was
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: help throw an absolute lawn dark to him. So that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: not fair either. But actually maybe it wasn't that bad.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: He was stretched inside the baseline there. Hey, everybody says,
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: you know what this guy struggles in the outfield, move
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: him the first Oh, on this catcher's off day, just
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: play him at first base. First base is well, it's
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: not a very valued position from a analytics standpoint. You
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: need to know how to play first base. It is
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: not as simple as people think.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, even a week spent. If you spent
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a week and you watch Christian Walker play first base
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: over the last five years, and then for example this season,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you watch Tristan Cossis play first base for a week,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you can see how much of an impact it makes
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in a game where I don't know if numbers are
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: doing the position justice aj. I mean you're affecting every
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: ground ball essentially in the infield, And I mean if
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you watch a game, you're gonna see multiple times often
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: per game, it make a huge difference, whether it's a pick,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it's footwork, it's position right for your second basement, how
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: much ground you're covering. I mean, there are some guys
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that really stand out. It just it doesn't get a
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: lot of love from the analytics staff. It's true, right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I know Walker discussion yesterday, but that's why watch Walker.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think they signed Christian Walker versus Joseah Brady
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: who was there? Jose Brady could hardly when he was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: there at the end. He could barely even catch a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: ground ball, for get a ball in the dirt, right,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, the guys that can pick the ball aren't valuable.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You can't put a you know, we try to put
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a number on everything, but you can't put a value
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: on guys that can pick the ball. I mean, until
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: someone comes up with a stat that tells me, like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this guy's a better at this or that at first base,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be undervalued. And it's a shame because the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: guys that can really pick it and can hold down
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that place every day and hit should be worth a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: lot of money.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Outs Above average defensive runs saved are not kind to
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: first baseman. Christian Walker has been the best for the
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: last three years statistically, and he's like he I mean
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: he's already been eclipsed by all positions, by the best
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: position players at other positions. First base, the value for
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: you is all in your range, and you're never supposed
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: to go to your right if you have a second
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: basement that covers a lot of ground, because you're always
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: going to your left to cover first base. If they
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: put a value and I've seen teams that use data
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: on balls thrown to you, that is where there's so
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: much value. Yes, the one rate here super easy, you
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: should catch it, But that's like docking. A catcher who
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: catches the ball right down the middle for a strike, Well,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: you know what, he didn't have anything to do with it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Technically you do. And so then they created a value
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: around the edges for first baseman, and that value goes
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: through the roof when you have a guy that can
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: get everything because you have so many throws thrown to
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: you that it is a very undervalued thing to be
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: able to catch the ball at first base on a
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: consistent basis.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Why can't you run a guy over on that play?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: He can, he can, but he wasn't. I mean by
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Langford's too nice. He should have went back to his
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Trenton High School football days and just smashing them out
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of been awesome. Florida versus Miami. We know who's gonna
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: win that fight. You can run a catcher over still,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: everyone says buster or posey rule, blah blah blah. If
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the catcher is standing in the lane and he doesn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: have the ball. Even if he does have the ball,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you can still run over. You just cannot divert your
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: path out of the base path to hit the catcher anymore.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: You can run him over. It's not a collision free league.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: It is a almost collision free league.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Mm hm.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's collision free because they don't teach guys to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: go get guys anymore. So it's clear.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: It used to be.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember, you knew the guys they were
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: coming around third, they were coming to get you, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that was fine. I knew it. Let's go come get
• 28:53
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• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Scott would not make it me.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're trying to run one of us over. I'm sorry,
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't. It wouldn't work.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, also, you still have to have a brain.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I think when you know, the word now is avoidance,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: but it was collision back then. But I mean, be
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: smart about your collision. I mean, if you're trying to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: run into a huge dude and you don't have the momentum,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you might want to think twice about what you're doing. Right, Yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to think about who I'm trying to truck stick.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So no, I think there's something to it. But right now,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to me, it means avoidance, right like, oh, someone's in
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the way, let's avoid this, which the injury prevention part
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I get. We have enough injuries in the game. It's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: pretty annoying right now, So that part I understand. You know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: even if it's the aggressor that's running into a player
• 29:42
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  Speaker 6: So for him, I know, yeah, I know him very well.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: I'm super happy for him. He got one interview in
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: his since he's become a manager. We I mean, since
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  Speaker 6: he's become a bench coach. He had gotten one interview.
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  Speaker 7: I would love to see Neil Walker be his bench coach.
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  Speaker 7: That would be sick.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Mmm, you might you might get involved. I could see
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  Speaker 3: him being a coach some day.
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  Speaker 7: No, he's on TV.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's on TV. But you could still hop
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  Speaker 1: But why would why would why would Neil Walker want
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  Speaker 1: to do that?
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  Speaker 3: Not with this team.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if your task is trying to fix this offense,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you're setting yourself up for a bad looking resume right
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  Speaker 2: off the jump of your coaching career.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 6: They never get to blame. It's the managers to get
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  Speaker 2: So I don't want to overlook how much ship has
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  Speaker 2: gone on for this franchise in the first six weeks
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of the season, because sometimes even during their tanking rebuild days,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: they'll start twelve and eight, people will get excited and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: then I'll kill their hopes.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But this time.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Around, I mean, the on field product's bad. They're switching
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the manager. I don't think that's going to make a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: huge difference. They had the Roberto Clemente wall issue, the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: steps or whatever that was, the bricks that they messed up,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: The latest you got to google it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: We're not going to show it, but there was a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: there was a big fight with an employee and some
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: fans that seemed like they were getting out of hand
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and that's going to turn into some type of lawsuit
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: or something, and it was pretty bad. I don't know
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: all the context, but aj it is piling up. They
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: have had a season's worth of chaos in six weeks.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Did you talk about when the owner walked through the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: stands on opening day? Did you mention that one and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: then sell the team and all that you did? Forgot
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: about that one, but the guy the guy fell over
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the rail, and I mean, wow, it was. It's been
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a rough start for the Pittsburgh Pirates organization. So I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the Steelers will be better if they
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: traded George Pickens the Cowboys. I don't know. I just
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: don't know what there is to look forward to in Pittsburgh,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: because especially on the Pirates side of the stadium's great
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and it's wonderful and it's got great views. But they
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: messed up the Clemente sign. I mean, it's just one
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: thing after another and at some point you got to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: change something and I don't know what that is, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we all know what they say where a fishting's from?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: What's up? Hey, A J.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I know you hate wins and losses, but Robbie Ray
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: is the first.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: It's me.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Robbie Ray is the first Giants pitcher to go five
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and zero the first eight starts of a season since
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Tim Linsey come in twenty ten. Just wanted to give
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: some love to Robbie Ray. That's looking like a good
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: trade for the Giants right now. You can never have
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: enough starting pitching depths. That was a money dump move
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: in my mind from the Mariners a couple of years ago,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and it's really paying dividends for the Giants. Mariners are
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: in a great spot all for them. But I was
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: one that shredded that trade back then because I thought
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that the Giants picked up a guy who went healthy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: AJ is one of the better swinging miss pitchers in baseball.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: If you can locate.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: No the whole well, no, here's the bottom line, the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: rug you're righty. Does he throw it over the plate?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: That's it, throw it over the plate. If he throws
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it over the plate, he's really good. And that's the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: big thing for him right now is his walks are down.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Is the only I mean He has twenty three walks
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in forty four innings, which doesn't seem that great, but
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: for him, that's pretty good because he strikes out a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: lot of guys. He doesn't give up a lot of contact,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: hard contact. So the whole key for him is throw
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it over the plate, Robbie. If he throws it over
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the plate, he's usually pretty darn good. So throw it
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: over the plate, Robbie, you got a chance to be
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Throwing strikes shocker on the mound, Throwing strikes his cy
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: young ear. He only had fifty two walks in one
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety three innings. Other yeah, I mean he
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: was punching. He was getting seventy eighty sixty some walks.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: It's just too many. He's got good enough stuff to
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: get outs in the zone, and that's rare in baseball.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: If you continue to do it, that's how you win syongs.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: For the people.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go over tipping for a moment. It
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: comes up every once in a while. AJ, I know
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: you caught John Boy breaking down some Nick Povetta tipping
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that was going on.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: So what did you see.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Well, here's my thing with this. First of all, I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: don't know you guys answered this for me, and I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: just want to know, is it okay for somewhere like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: John Boy to call out Nick Povetta for tipping and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: go through it. I don't know, because I know I've
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: been a part of games where I know a guy's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: tipping and then we don't really talk about it, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it's like it's one of those things where you don't
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: say it because you don't. And I know this is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: on ex Twitter, so maybe it's a little bit different.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Before I dig into this, do you guys have an
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: opinion on whether it's okay for them to call this
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: guy out and show everybody what he's doing before someone
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on a team says something.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's an issue.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: I've heard you say that before, maybe live game, when
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: you're calling a live game and you see it. To me,
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: that's kind of affecting the game or the I don't
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: want to say gamesmanshit.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: But like you're you're in.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: That game and if somebody has it on in the clubhouse,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: they're like, wait, what did he say. It's kind of
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: like the whole Kenny Rodgers thing where we had the
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: had the pine tar on his hand and then the
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: next inning it was gone, like they made a big
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: deal of it. So maybe in the game I can
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: see why on Twitter or something, somebody finds it, somebody
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: tips somebody else off. To me, I don't have an
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: issue with it. It's happening. There's guys on teams that
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: are employed almost solely to do that, and they are
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: pouring over video and saying figuring out tips.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: From guys exactly. So AJ, I'm pretty strong on this one.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: For me, it's public domain right, like it's going on.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Anyone can see it. So the best people at cracking
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it are, like crack said, guys that are getting paid
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: to do it, and then no one finds out about it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: So if I'm a pitcher, I would love for a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: fan to point out that I'm tipping to catch that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: instead of my division rival knowing it all season long
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: or the entire league knowing it all season long.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: The pitcher savvy, but all the hitters are pissed because
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: they're like, damnit, he sold us all out. We had something.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And I mean Pavetta obviously isn't affecting him that much
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because he's out to a great start, so that I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a simple question. No, let's get
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: back to what actually happened on the field. It was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: giants and padres and Nick Pavetta's pitching. Patrick Bailey was
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: on second Eric six's favorite catcher, and when he grabbed
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: his shirt, fastball, and when he grabbed tapped his helmet
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like that breaking ball. And then the pitching coach saw
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it and went out to the mound like right there,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: grabs his shirt, tries to do the whole light. Oh, nobody,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: look at me. I'm just relaxing my arms. I'm gonna
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: go helmet here. Blah blah blah. Oh there we go. Well,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you know, do the arm thing like, come on, like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: don't all make it so obvious. The catcher sees it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: The pitching coach comes out, Look, let's do the old stretch,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: eat of the arm thingy. I'm gonna give the high target. Huh,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: just kidding. Breaking ball. Pitching coach Rubn Diieoblo comes out
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and goes, we gotta change something up here. Brother changes
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the way he loads in his glove. Patrick Bailey can't
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: see it. Can't do the shirt, can't do the helmet,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: can't do the whole Uh, don't really look at me.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: But everybody look at me while I wave my arms
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: around and then he punched him out and Nick Pavetta
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: walked off the mountain was like, hey, Patrick, good job,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you screwed your own hitter because you couldn't get that one.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think it's funny, but let's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: not make it so obvious. Giants like hey, guys, hey guys,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: look at me, look at me right so right here,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know what's coming. He takes a heater right
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: down the middle. Pavetta turns right around and goes, what
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you got now, bro? Again, John Boyd does a better
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: job of breaking it down than I just did. But
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Those things used to get contentious, man,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: if you caught a dude. I mean, I were times
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: when I walked out to the mound act like I
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was had the rosin bag in my hand, and I
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: was like, stop giving signs. We're gonna change him. You're
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: gonna get someone hurt, or you're someone else on your
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: team is gonna get hurt because we're gonna take care
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: of this, and that usually shut him down for a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: little bit. But it's also on the picture and the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: catcher to know what's going on, so good on the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Podjets for changing it up, but bad on the Giants
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: were just making it so damn obvious. I mean, Patrick
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Bailey was the one, the one part of the video.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: It's definitely worth going back and watching for everybody who
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: hasn't seen it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: He's like.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Trying to like look trying to look over when he
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: was holding his gloot like it wasn't even he wasn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: trying to hide it at all. Like that's why I
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: love I loved getting on second base. I rarely got
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: on second base, but when I did, I love like
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: moving around and like getting people to think, if you
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: can get the catcher because we didn't have mound visits
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: most of my career, get the catcher to come out
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: to change the signs. You kind of did your kind
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: of did your due diligence, you did your gamesmanship. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: just think it's a it's something that is part of
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: the game. And when guys would be like, hey, we're
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: gonna hit somebody, like AJ's talking about, okay, we'll hit
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: somebody if we got somebody on first, like it's always
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: gonna happen. You're gonna change your signs, And then they're
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: gonna try to relay them again. You're gonna change how
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: you're moving your feet. It's part of the game. It's
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: not just hey, throw the ball, Hey catch or catches it,
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: throw it back to the pitcher. There's stuff going on
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: all the time. And that's when you see young guys.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: The game's speeding up on them because they're not seeing everything.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: All they're seeing is throw the strike, catch the strike.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And from a fan perspective, that's fun for early may ball.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: That's fun. Keeps things exciting in a game that otherwise,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: you know, could be who hum during a regular season. Hey,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: there's a long season kind of situation. It's fun to
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: pick that stuff out.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: So that was good. That was fun. All right, we're
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: going full circle here.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: We started off the show without knowing who the pope
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: would be, and now we know that the Pope is
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I think a.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Cubs fan, even though the picture that we put here,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They know he's a Villanova fan. I think though didn't
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: he wasn't he in charge of Villanova there for a
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: little while the Villanova area, So he's a Villanova fan.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've been on the show the entire time
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: that he's been announced, So I've done zero homework so
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: far in the Pope.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I just know he was born in Chicago and he
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: worked in Peru, which you haven't been. If you haven't
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: been to Peru, it's pretty awesome. Macha Picci is well
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: worth the visit. So but yeah, he's he's a Chicago
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: born in Chicago, but he worked at Villanova, I believe
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: for a while. You know, it's being reported he's a
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Cubs fan, but you know, Cubs fans have been known
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to get in high positions and mess it up, So
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: don't mess it up, Pope Leo the fourteenth. By the way,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: if I was Pope, wouldn't I want to take a
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: name where I was the first? Like I want to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: be the first. I don't want to be the fourteenth?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Like who wants to be Leo the fourteenth? Like, let's
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: be Pope Scott Broun the first. Yeah, let's god.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: They were kings. It was you know, King Henry and
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: King whatever else.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: That's because they were named that by their parents. They
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: get to choose, Like I get to choose my name.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I want to be Hope whatever, the first.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: What would your if we started? If we started ft
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: and you got to choose your name. Everybody still knew you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: What name would you choose?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd stay with my name. Pope AJ the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: number one baby, Why would I want to be the fourteen?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: If anything? Yeah, Pope AJ one, Hope, that's what you won,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that's what you would be. I mean, look at Pope
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: John Paul. He was one of the greatest ones, but
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: he was the second Hope John Paul the second you
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: know why because he was from Poland.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: JP two. But yeah, AJ would love that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: He would say AJ one, and no one else is
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: allowed to be called AJ.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I mean we had H two.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: We already do that exactly, see exact. Good good.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, if you're watching this on TV, we will see
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: you tomorrow for Fraser Friday. If you are watching US elsewhere,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: we are staying on for a few minutes to have fun.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: So seeing a second, what what what do you have
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: for us? Aga? I've been told you have something else?
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see this? The Red Sox also are
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: getting in on the Pope move, Smoker, indicating the Red
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Sox have yet to elect a new first basement. That's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: pretty funny, dude, I'm sorry, Wow, that's pretty funny.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: That is good. I like that a lot. That was good.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I did not know what I was like.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Is that for real? What you think the cream Monster
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was on flyre was on fire?
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: There's a lot going on behind there.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, impossible, that's not impossible. Okay, So my my current.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Apartment, they're playing right now. So if it was on fire,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: you would have heard about it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: It could have been this morning. Uh.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: My apartment in Orlando overlooks the Orange Bowl, and at
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: least twice i've seen crazy.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Or the Citrusami.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Citrus Bowl Okay, word police, relax. It overlooks the Stitch.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they don't sponsor me, so I'm calling it
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the Citrus Bowl. So anyway, I've seen twice that level
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: of smoke emerging, not from inside, but right around that
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: area and the fire department and the whole thing.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So anyway, when you were at the that's when you
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: were at the Eed C Scott that you thought there
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: were smoke coming out of it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: But it wasn't smoke. It was something else that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Was Yeah, that was a drone show. I don't even
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: think it's cool for them to smoke anymore. Anyway, krats,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: hat's on.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: The way out.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: I mean we need to talk about this team a
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: little bit more often. AJ's dark horse to make the
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: playoffs this year, and they got a pretty sick hat.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: What does AJ say, easiest over of the year?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Oh so easy. And by the way, Salvia with another hit,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: just trying to back up crouches claim that he's the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: fifth best catcher, even though I don't think. Does he
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: catch you tonight?
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Don't matter.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It's Dhing today, so it doesn't count towards catching Dhing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Logan Logan DH last night, so doesn't count.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Molly Molly DH Molly.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Co movie equality.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: I don't care.
• 45:41
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• 45:44
  Speaker 2: sweat token tonight. Obviously baseball games are going on for
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a long time now.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: But there's playoffs. We're aware of it, so you can
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: get on the excitement.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I bet MGM and any sport no sweat token and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: if you don't win your wager, you get a stake
• 45:58
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• 46:01
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• 46:04
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