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Infamous Female Serial Killers · Boozy Banter with Friends

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SPEAKER_00: Grab a cocktail as we talk about life and death.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything in between and beyond.
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SPEAKER_00: Join us for a little boozy banter with friends.
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SPEAKER_02: I think are we already recording?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Hello.
0:38
SPEAKER_02: Hello.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: We're working things out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We're doing it.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: We're doing it.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: It's trial and error for sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Today was a a doozy, but it's um, it's you know that we're gonna close out this year.
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SPEAKER_01: Nailing this.
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SPEAKER_01: We we are.
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SPEAKER_01: I I can feel it.
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SPEAKER_01: So believe in us.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: Which I mean, can you believe how quickly this fall is going by?
1:09
SPEAKER_01: Like it's already like we're we're in the last months of the year.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Last months of the year.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: So before you know it, it's gonna be a new year.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm kinda ready, kinda not ready.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Like You've loved holidays, though.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: I do.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: I do love the holidays.
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SPEAKER_02: Christmas is your favorite.
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SPEAKER_01: It really is.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: It really is.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: But um, and 2026 has been a really good year, I feel like.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it wasn't crazy.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, it wasn't busy like it was busy, but not like we usually have.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I can't really say that I'm looking forward to 2027 because there's nothing really about 2027 that's like gonna that's standing out.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: Valerie graduates.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: Um there you go.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's a big deal.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: Uh we have some travels, you know, in 2027, which is normal.
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SPEAKER_01: But other than that, like it just there's nothing about 2027 that's like, oh my gosh, I can't wait till next year.
2:15
SPEAKER_01: It's just another year.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm looking for next year.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping things mellow out for me for next year.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: I know the last top of 2026 have just sucked.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You've had a do the year.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The big one.
2:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: According to all the people on the TikTok who read fortunes and stuff, you should be having a really great fall.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, bring it on.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
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SPEAKER_02: Bring it on.
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SPEAKER_02: You believe that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_02: That's um whatever I have to do.
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SPEAKER_02: Knock on sort of wood.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Knock on particle board.
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SPEAKER_01: Sort of?
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's our problem.
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SPEAKER_01: We need more real wood in here.
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SPEAKER_01: There is real wood in here.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just too far to read.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that'd be great if uh have like a killer fall.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You never know.
3:08
SPEAKER_02: You never know.
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SPEAKER_02: That could happen.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, just getting started with fall.
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SPEAKER_02: So um, one thing I am ready for fall is a change in the weather.
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SPEAKER_02: And I know in Florida we don't really have that big of a change in weather.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But we walk in the mornings.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's sweltering.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just sad.
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SPEAKER_01: I see all of these news reports about all this beautiful weather that the northeast is getting, and I'm like, just a little, we just need a little bit down here.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not easy.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not asking for a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm asking for 10 degrees.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a lot for Florida, though.
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SPEAKER_01: 10 degrees is winter weather again.
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SPEAKER_02: But I am looking for a little crisper morning.
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SPEAKER_02: Um little crisper weather in the morning for our walks.
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SPEAKER_01: Where the only reason you're sweating is because you're putting in a good walk versus just because you're standing outside and yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I think if the weather gets nice, we'll do more than four miles.
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SPEAKER_01: I I think so.
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SPEAKER_01: I think so.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the the real reason that we cap it at four is because it we are so hot.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you can barely breathe because it's so hot.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: So um, and our fingers swell.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, I know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, damn, we gotta stop eating so much salt, maybe.
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SPEAKER_01: Isn't that what makes your hands?
4:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, but it happens to me too.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's only happened lately.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so uh we are moving on with our problems.
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SPEAKER_01: We're bringing back an old, old, a two-month-old favorite from our trip to uh Asheville when we stopped at New Belgium and I picked up that mimosa tasting beer.
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SPEAKER_01: Wait, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The uh the Dominga.
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SPEAKER_01: The Dominga.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's what is it grapefruit?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a grapefruit.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's very tasty.
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SPEAKER_01: It's very mild.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's just an easy, easy drinking beer, especially when it's hot.
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SPEAKER_01: Great.
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SPEAKER_01: Paloma.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Great, that's what it was.
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SPEAKER_01: A paloma.
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SPEAKER_02: A paloma.
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SPEAKER_01: It's delicious, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really so yeah, that's what we're drinking today.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and then we're gonna jump right into your story.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: But I have something from the Daily Mail I want to tell you about first.
5:29
SPEAKER_02: You know how I love Rivoland Mail.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I uh I it's been hit or miss lately for me because um they I know they're from the UK, they're you know, a British paper and all that, but I can only take so much of the Sussex drama.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I just don't care.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
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SPEAKER_01: Come on now.
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SPEAKER_01: They're they seem like self-absorbed, whiny people that are extremely entitled.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what that's what I get out of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Do I want to read article after article about how entitled and self-absorbed they are?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: One was enough.
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SPEAKER_01: That told me everything I need to know, and I'm ready to move on.
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SPEAKER_01: But over there, that's that's big news.
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SPEAKER_01: I guess it's the equivalent of like our political drama we have here.
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SPEAKER_02: But or I would say it's it's our equivalent to like not Britney Spears, uh, who's the popular one now.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: She just got married.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_01: Taylor Swift.
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SPEAKER_01: Taylor Swift?
6:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe you're right.
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SPEAKER_01: Like every time I turn around, they're talking about her for something else.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
6:50
SPEAKER_01: I guess if you are a big what do they call them?
6:53
SPEAKER_01: Swifties.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh I was gonna say Twifties.
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SPEAKER_01: Um Twifties better.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: But I guess if you're a tw you were gonna say Twifty again, if you're Twifty, then you would follow it and you'd be like, oh my God, she went out to dinner.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, she brushed her teeth this morning.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you would be super invested.
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SPEAKER_02: I guess that's putting her pants on the same way I did this morning.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you think?
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe not.
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SPEAKER_01: Because according to these news articles, like people are not that are this famous are not doing the same things as us.
7:31
SPEAKER_01: Somebody's putting their pants on for them, or they magically appear on their legs.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's happening, but it it clearly is not the same for us normal folk.
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SPEAKER_01: So And I'm okay with that, to be honest.
7:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:44
SPEAKER_01: But this was a good one.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, did you hear that a new wildcat species has been identified?
7:51
SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: It's called the I don't know if I'm gonna say it right.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's called a tilkayo, tiger cat leopard, leopardus tilkayo.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a small wild cat um native to Bolivia.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And it was formally identified through a 2026 genetic study of tiger cats.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's the first cat species that they've identified since 1923.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's super sad or really cool.
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SPEAKER_01: So evidently, like the local communities in Bolivia knew all about it, but it hadn't been formally identified.
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SPEAKER_01: It's smaller than a house cat and it only weighs about three pounds.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, I bet it's cute.
8:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So um it's like a big deal because you know I think it is a big deal.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh people are like, hey, we have, you know, new new things.
9:03
SPEAKER_01: So which I feel like is crazy in this day and age that they're still discovering new animals.
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SPEAKER_01: Um look how cute it is.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, look how cute it is.
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SPEAKER_01: It's so cute.
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SPEAKER_01: So oh, it's all cute.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: I know.
9:26
SPEAKER_02: Squish is so.
9:27
SPEAKER_02: I know, right?
9:28
SPEAKER_02: I think it may be I'm gonna be a naysayer right now.
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SPEAKER_02: Gonna be a downer.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_02: But I don't think maybe we just destroyed its habitat enough to where there's no place for it to go and there's no place for it to hide.
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SPEAKER_02: And so of course we're gonna discover it because we tore everything down.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't doubt it.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: Did you see the picture?
9:49
SPEAKER_01: I think it was in the Which is sad.
9:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not the we have the Orlando Sentinel, so whatever the like Miami Herald.
9:59
SPEAKER_01: Is it the Miami Herald?
10:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, just whatever.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: Whatever the newspaper is down there.
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SPEAKER_01: They posted a picture of a mama panther with two babies.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw that on the news.
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SPEAKER_01: The one that was laying like right like in a construction area.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like they had destroyed like the ha all the habitat.
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SPEAKER_01: And so there's like behind them you can see like where the forest started, like the wood started, and then right in front of it, they're laying like in the construction area.
10:31
SPEAKER_01: It's like they have nowhere to go.
10:33
SPEAKER_01: So they're like laying, you know, on a cleared piece of land where they're gonna build a new house.
10:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's it.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: Which, you know, the sad thing is that they got the place to go.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: They don't.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: And they get so that's their area.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: So when they start putting in the extra roads and they start having the extra traffic, one of them's gonna get hit.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: Something's gonna get hit because they're they they're like, this is a safe area for us, but really it's not anymore.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: And they don't know the difference.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: Say we're green spaces.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: So about so now that you already talked about one of those poor cats getting hit by a car, let's talk about more death, shall we?
11:16
SPEAKER_01: Like how much do it.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: I didn't really think they went together, but okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, death is death, Tosha.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: Death is death.
11:30
SPEAKER_01: What do you have for me today to tell you about death?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I figured that much out, but to tell you about women, early women, serial killers.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know.
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SPEAKER_02: We talk a lot about I guess we don't talk a lot about serial killers, but we do from time to time.
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SPEAKER_01: We do they're primarily male.
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SPEAKER_01: All almost all.
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SPEAKER_01: We do we do like to find female serial killers.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, remember the one that rented out the house, the rooms in California.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, there have been some.
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SPEAKER_01: There's been some.
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SPEAKER_01: But if but they're few and far between.
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SPEAKER_01: They are.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you don't hear.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, the first one that comes to mind is Eileen Warnos.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, but other than that, most of the time you're you don't really hear about female serial killers.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm gonna tell you about some early female killers.
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SPEAKER_02: Early serial killers.
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SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
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SPEAKER_02: Where I believe it's m would have been much easier to get away with it.
12:27
SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Especially since, you know, I'm a woman.
12:30
SPEAKER_02: I can't possibly Oh my goodness, I would never.
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SPEAKER_02: So the first uh one I'm gonna tell you about is Belle Gunnis.
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SPEAKER_02: She was born in 1859 and died in 1908.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Belle arrived in America full of ambition, born Ruinhildred.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a name.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Dorseth Shoreseth.
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SPEAKER_02: I think I probably butchered that part.
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SPEAKER_02: In Norway, she grew up poor and was determined to rise above her circumstances.
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SPEAKER_02: When she immigrated to the United States, she reinvented herself as Belle, a woman who can charm, intimidate, and manipulate with ease.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Belle was not a dainty woman at all.
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SPEAKER_02: She was nearly six feet tall, broad shoulders, and strong enough to butcher livestock without assistance.
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SPEAKER_02: Now that's some kind of uh that Belle.
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SPEAKER_02: She's a she's a sweet girl, but damn, she can butcher some livestock like the rest of us.
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SPEAKER_02: She don't need help or nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: She ran her Indiana farm with efficiency of a military commander.
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SPEAKER_02: But beneath the domestic facade was a woman who viewed human relationships as financial transactions.
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SPEAKER_02: Her first husband died suddenly.
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SPEAKER_02: So did her second.
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SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh fortunately, though, both of them were very well insured.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: It makes you wonder back then who took out the insurance.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
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SPEAKER_02: If I was a fetting girl.
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SPEAKER_01: They were like, oh, I better get insurance in case something happens to me, so my wife is taken care of.
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SPEAKER_01: Or was she like, oh, I'm gonna get insurance on my husband.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe she convinced them just in case.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a good idea.
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SPEAKER_02: Belle collected the payouts with a stoic expression and moved on.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Then she discovered a more profitable strategy.
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SPEAKER_02: Lonely men.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: She placed newspaper ads seeking wealthy bachelors.
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SPEAKER_02: Her tone was warm, inviting, and deceptively wholesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Men traveled from across the country to meet her along with their savings.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll take care of you only if you're rich, though.
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SPEAKER_01: I you have to wonder, like, what was the what what was it like back then that men would read a post on like Craigslist and be like, oh, there's the wife for me.
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SPEAKER_01: Let me travel out and meet my wife.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like it was she sounds genuine.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know, Belle greeted each of them with a hearty meal, a charming smile, and a promise of a happy future.
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SPEAKER_02: Then she killed them.
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SPEAKER_02: Immediately?
15:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes, sometimes she did it with poison.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes she did it with blunt force and sometimes with a knife.
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SPEAKER_02: Simple, easy, quick.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:51
SPEAKER_01: None of these men told somebody where they were going.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: We're like, Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm out.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: But she had a plan.
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SPEAKER_02: She buried the bodies around her farm, often dismembered and sometimes uh burned.
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SPEAKER_02: Always hidden though.
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SPEAKER_02: Neighbors, this is what you were curious about, neighbors noticing men arriving but never leaving.
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SPEAKER_02: Belle would explain it away with ease.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, he went back home.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, he left early.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, he ran off with another woman from down the road.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, but back then, having that many men stopping by your house, like you would have had a reputation.
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SPEAKER_01: You'd have been like, Look at that bell.
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SPEAKER_01: Another man.
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SPEAKER_01: Another man stopping by her house.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're talking at the Gunnis farm.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: But you know, people believed her though.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Belle was a very convincing with her reasons uh why they weren't around anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: Her crimes continued for years until her farm burned down in 1908.
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SPEAKER_02: In the remains, investigators found dozens of bodies.
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SPEAKER_02: Men, children, and even a woman who had worked for Belle.
17:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't know where the kids come from.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: Nobody is talking about these kids that died.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: But they apparently they found it.
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SPEAKER_02: They also found a headless female corpse that was supposed to be Belle.
17:17
SPEAKER_02: What?
17:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't know like how she cut her off her own head and then burned down her farm.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Seems a little suspicious.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: And you know what else was suspicious?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that the body didn't match Belle.
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SPEAKER_02: It was smaller, lighter, and suspiciously convenient.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: Belle Guinness vanished.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Some say she fled California.
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SPEAKER_02: Others claim she lived under a new identity.
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SPEAKER_02: And a few swear she confessed on her deathbed decades later.
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SPEAKER_02: But Belle remains one of America's greatest criminal mysteries, a woman who built a fortune on death and walked away her own legend.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: So they never found out what happened.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Never found out.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: Could you imagine, like, oh, maybe the pressure was getting on.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe she's like, I gotta get out of here.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: I gotta get the getting.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: If she was smart enough, I guess you're smart enough to like kill all those men, dispose of their bodies, take their money.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, she would be able to fake her own death.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: But I think she probably should have fixed somebody who was a little more herself.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, according to her description, I think that might have been kind of hard.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: I found she was very um She wasn't your average woman.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: No.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: No.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: Are you ready for the next I'm ready late on?
18:52
SPEAKER_02: This one is Amelia Dyer.
18:55
SPEAKER_02: She was born in 1837 and died in 1896.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: Amelia's story begins in the soot-soaked streets of Victoria in England, where poverty was so widespread that desperation became a business opportunity.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard about her?
19:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, just little bits.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: She was born in 1837, the daughter of a shoemaker, and grew up watching her mother suffer from mental illness.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine having a mental illness back then?
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: No, because they didn't really know what it was, what that was, and you were possessed or crazy that you were committed.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: It had to be a terrible time.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Um it was a trauma that shaped her in ways that no one really could imagine.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: And I I can I can believe that.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: As a young woman, she trained as a nurse and a midwife.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: She was intelligent, literate, and outwardly respectable, the kind of um, the kind of woman Victorian society, society trusted.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: But beneath that calm exterior was a mind that had learned to detach from pain and eventually from morality.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: When she discovered the world of baby farming.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: What?
20:16
SPEAKER_02: You heard me right.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: Baby farming.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: She found her calling.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Unwed mothers were often shamed, impoverished, and abandoned.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, women paid her to care for their infants.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Some hoped that to reclaim their children later, while others simply hope that their babies would survive.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: Amelia took their money and with a gentle smile and promises of safety, then mutted the infants, often within hours of receiving them.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: As you can imagine, uh, something like that, people would take notice a little more.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: So she moved constantly.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: She changed her name frequently.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: But through all that, she kept meticulous records.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, she was highly organized and very good at what she did.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: Neighbors noticed she never seemed to keep the babies for long.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: But Victorian England was a place where people minded their own business, especially when poverty was involved.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: Her crimes escalated until she was killing infants at a rate that was staggering.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Some estimates place her total number of victims in the hundreds.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: No.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: And if that's true, it would make her one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: But you can't keep that hidden for long.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: You get cocky.
21:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: And in uh 1896, that's when her downfall came.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: When a baby's body was found floating in the Thams with a label still attached.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: Police raised.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Her home and found piles of baby clothes, letters from desperate mothers.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: I know, and evidence so overwhelming that even the most hardened detective was just shaken to his core.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Amelia, she was arrested, tried, and hanged.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: She showed no remorse.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Her final words were calm, almost bored.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: And she said, I have nothing to say.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: I did what I did.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: Sounds like she had a touch of her mother's mental illness.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: But also she was really good at detaching from all kinds of emotions, I would imagine.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: She left behind a legacy so horrifying that it helped actually change British laws on childcare and adoption.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: Amelia didn't just kill children.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: She exposed the rot in society that allowed desperation to become a commodity.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine back then?
23:00
SPEAKER_02: These poor, poor mothers were just looking for help.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: And she may was like, Yeah, I got your baby.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: Give me some money.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: I'll take care of you.
23:11
SPEAKER_02: I'll take care of it.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: Jeez.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: But in the end, uh no.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: That was kind of sad.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: Babies.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: But uh there is more.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: More death and sadness.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: More death and sadness and women killers.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh the next one I'm going to talk about is Jane Taupin.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: She was born in 1859 and died in 1938.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: These women actually all lived pretty long lives.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Like you would expect with the shenanigans that they were up to, that they would have been like early, but no.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, I guess we really don't know how long Belle lived.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean That's right.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: Like 18 or 1908 is just when her farm burned down, but who knows if she really did die in that farm in the fire, or if she continued to have to wonder, has anybody ever looked to see in that time frame after she was supposedly killed, were there any unusual crimes across the country?
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, back then they didn't have like interconnected police.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, like, are there any crimes around the country that matched the ones that she was committing?
24:32
SPEAKER_01: That's a good question.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: She's done that research.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe she was starting to get older and she kind of um accumulated enough wealth to be happy for she just or lived a meager life or left and actually found a man that and let him live.
24:52
unknown: Let him live.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: So that she would be taken care of for the rest of her life.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: You never know.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: You know?
24:58
SPEAKER_02: You never know.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: We never know about Belle.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: No.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: We'll always be curious.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: So Jane Topin's life began with tragedy, as as a lot of these women were finding out.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: She was born Herera Kelly, and she was the daughter of an alcoholic father who eventually sent her to an orphanage.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: She was renamed, reshaped, and placed into domestic service.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like back in that time, that was a common thing.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: It's either you became a nurse or you were put into domestic service.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: But Jane was not invisible.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: She was observant, intelligent, and fascinated by human vulnerability.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: When she became a nurse.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh, there we go.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: Both.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: She did both.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: She did both.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: She found the perfect environment, access to medication, authority over patients, and the ability to experiment without suspicion.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: Jane was charming and cheerful and loved by her coworkers.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Patients trusted her.
26:05
SPEAKER_02: Supervisors even praised her for her compassion.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: And she murdered at least 31 people doing it too.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: Jane's methods were clinical.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: She used morphine and atropine to manipulate the victim's nervous systems and watching their reaction with scientific curiosity.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: This one was she was evil.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: Like this is downright evil.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, and this is another reason why she's very evil.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: She often climbed into the beds as they died, holding them close, whispering to them, studying their final breaths.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
26:49
SPEAKER_03: Just let go.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: No.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: She later confessed that she found the process thrilling.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: Jane didn't kill out of anger or financial gain.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: She killed because she enjoyed the power, the moment when life slipped away, and she alone controlled the outcome.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: Her victims, including patients, friends, and even members of her own family who had taken care of her as a child.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: Were they really taking good care of her?
27:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, why'd she kill them?
27:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
27:28
SPEAKER_01: Surprised things didn't come out later, you know, that they had done something to her.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: She had really been Well, I don't know.
27:35
SPEAKER_02: Maybe she did.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: She did.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Because she poisoned them slowly, tenderly, as if performing a twisted act of love.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Her downfall came when she murdered an entire family in a single summer.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: She got bowsy.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: Investigators finally noticed a pattern.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: Healthy people died shortly after Jane visited them.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: She was arrested, tried, and declared insane.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: Jane spent the rest of her life in an asylum where she reportedly told nurses she wanted to kill them.
28:11
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: She died.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: She's like, I'm in an asylum.
28:13
SPEAKER_02: She's like, I want to kill you.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do?
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Lock me up.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm already here.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: She died in 1938, leaving behind a legacy of medical horror that still haunts history of nursing.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Now she's a big thing.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: That's a twisted one.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: But she's not the first one that I've heard of that's killed their patients.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: She just has a lot.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: She has a lot of them.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: But I I feel like there are just some people that shouldn't be doctors and nurses.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of training and schooling to go through to be like, I'm just gonna do it to murder people.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: I just want to watch them slowly.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a just want to crawl into bed with them while they're late.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: I guess so.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's pretty crazy.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: All right.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: One more for you.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: All right.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: This one is Lizzie Holliday.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: She was born in 1859 and she died in 1918.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: I know it's a little bubbly, isn't it?
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, that Lizzie.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: Now, Lizzie was not methodical like the others.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh, she was chaotic, unpredictable, violent, and some say impossible to control.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: Now I just want to say, can you really control a woman?
29:43
SPEAKER_01: Mm-mm.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: All right.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: What you went what years was this?
29:46
SPEAKER_02: This was 1859.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe back then.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: In 1918.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: She died young.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, no, she guess she didn't die that young.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: What year?
29:55
SPEAKER_02: 1859.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: 59 and 1918.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: No, I guess she didn't.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: She would have been like 50s.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's that's not young for.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: It's young for today's standards.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: Right, but not.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: But back then, that's not considered young.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: She was born Eliza Margaret McNally, and she was born in Ireland.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: She immigrated to America and immediately began leaving a trail of destruction.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: Lizzie married multiple men.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: Most of them died under suspicious circumstances.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: She burned down houses, stabbed neighbors, stole horses, and lied constantly.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: This one was a firecracker.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: She escaped jail more than once.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes she pretended to be insane, and sometimes by sheer determination.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: Her life was a series of escalating disasters.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: She moved from town to town, leaving behind rumors, injuries, and the occasional corpse or two.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: People feared her not because she was clever, but because she was volatile, a human wildfire.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Her most infamous crime occurred in 1893 when police searched her property and found bodies of two women and her husband.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: The women had been mutilated and her husband had been shot and stabbed.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Lizzie claimed though that she was innocent.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't me, I didn't do it.
31:27
SPEAKER_02: Then she claimed insanity.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: Then she claimed she was framed.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't me.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: I didn't do it.
31:36
SPEAKER_02: Then she said, I don't remember.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: I forgot.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how those women died in my husband.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: My husband's dead?
31:46
SPEAKER_02: You can't be kidding.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: But as you can imagine, no one believed her.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: Newspapers called her the worst woman on earth.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine getting to that point where, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to tell you a story about the worst woman on earth?
32:06
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Which is pretty impressive considering she did live in the era of Amelia and Belle.
32:15
SPEAKER_02: Lizzie was sentenced to a life sentence in an asylum where she continued her pattern of violence, not surprising.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: She attacked staff, threatened other patients, and attempted to kill a nurse.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: She died in 1918, leaving behind a legacy of pure, unfiltered chaos.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: The worst woman on earth.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Like all the time.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: She's like, ah fuck it.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: That's how I picture this woman to be.
33:04
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Just like, oh, you you dare me?
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think I'm just gonna do it because I want to do it.
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, you're telling me I can't do it?
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm doing it now.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Or you say that's not allowed?
33:15
SPEAKER_02: Guess what's gonna happen?
33:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do it.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: She sounds very uh I bet you she was fun at parties until she wasn't.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: She was evil at the party.
33:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but can you imagine?
33:30
SPEAKER_02: I bet you she was at times pretty entertaining.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, she wasn't like oh right, evil.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: She probably was like that fun-loving, um, on the verge of being a psycho.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: She was a psycho.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: There's no on the verge.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: She was a psycho.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: All right, baby.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Well, those were good.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: Those are my serial killer women.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed those.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: There's some crazy bitches in history.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Man.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Hear about them all the time.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Like you hear so much stuff about women who, you know, did all these things and they were persecuted for them because they were women.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: But there were some women out there that were just like, you can't, you don't, you can't tell me what to do.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: I'll do what I want.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: Play Clisszy.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you say no?
34:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, guess what?
34:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do it.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do that and make it 10 times worse.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: Even like I was watching some show talking about um Bonnie and Clyde, and they were trying to spin it that Bonnie was just kind of roped in.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: She didn't know what she was getting herself into, and she was just so in love with Clyde that she just did whatever he wanted.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking, No, but I don't believe I I feel like she knew exactly what was going on, and she's like, I'm gonna do it.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do what I want so I can live the life that I want, you know.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: That was what she wanted to do, and she went out and did it.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like there's a lot of women probably who did that and makes you wonder how many actually got away with it.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: I feel like, I mean, we should really look into podcasts.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Especially in the wild west.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: Like you watch all these westerns, and there's these women who are so badly used and abused, you know, by these people moving out west and these new towns.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: And the lifestyle in the lifestyle and being so poor.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: But then you hear about Belle Guinness and how she invited these lonely men.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: Clearly, there were men out there that were wanted something else or wanted to build a family that she was able to take advantage of.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: So it makes you wonder how many more that this happened to.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: Because honestly, had her farm not burned down, how long would she have gotten away with it and no one would have ever known?
36:02
SPEAKER_01: So, how many women did get away with it and no one ever knew?
36:06
SPEAKER_02: Or just did it once or twice and didn't get greedy.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Like I think I feel like each one of these women just were greedy and they just kept going and going and going and going until they're why the greedy it wasn't like back then they were they had material things to spend the money on.
36:26
SPEAKER_01: It's just I think it's a little bit of the power.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm able to do this, I'm getting away with something.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna keep doing it.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, crazy.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, that's what I got.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really good.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: So thanks.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: All right.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess we'll wrap it up until next time because I feel another burp coming on.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do that off the camera so that way you guys don't hear.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, normally I wouldn't say that out loud, but I don't want to be like the uh hiccup.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: I kind of feel like I that's where I feel like I'm at right now.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm gonna have the hiccups or something.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, let's not do that.
37:08
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37:09
unknown: Wait a minute.
37:10
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37:12
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37:16
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