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201: The Interview and The Lie · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jess Wexler, you're listening to Movie Meltdown,
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  Speaker 1: our movie's The Lie.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 3: And hi, this is Joshua Leonard.
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  Speaker 2: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown, I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Greg. I'm Ben.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 9: And we are back for another episode of The Caffeinated
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  Speaker 9: Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 3: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 10: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 8: It's time for The Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 9: We are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 9: Nancy's Bagel Rounds where we get together, drink coffee, talk movies,
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  Speaker 9: and discuss their exciting flavor names, which reminds me it's
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  Speaker 9: a new flavor. We've never had this one before. It's
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  Speaker 9: pretty exciting. So, Marlena, I ask you, what blend of
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  Speaker 9: coffee are we drinking this week? You acted like you
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  Speaker 9: were going to remember, didn't you? Saddle Mountain. There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was a quiz show.
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  Speaker 9: Saddle Mountain. Yes, thanks to our friends at Columbia River Coffee,
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  Speaker 9: they sent us some Saddle Mountain. Let's enjoy some now.
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  Speaker 9: So this is a slightly different episode. We have a
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  Speaker 9: guest with us. I guess I'll go ahead and throw
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  Speaker 9: you in here. This is Emily. Hi. And we've been
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  Speaker 9: talking online, and you work for the local paper. I
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  Speaker 9: guess we can plug them.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Not everybody's from here that listens, so the Courier-Journal. It's
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  Speaker 9: a huge paper here. All right, we only have one.
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  Speaker 9: It's not New York. So she's from the paper. And
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  Speaker 9: we were talking about doing a piece on the fact
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  Speaker 9: that we sit in this coffee shop and do a show.
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  Speaker 9: So then as we got into it, I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 9: figuring you're going to have some sort of questions for us.
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  Speaker 9: Just a couple. So why not, like, do that? I mean,
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  Speaker 9: we usually intro with something. It'll be me yammering on
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  Speaker 9: about some movie I watched this week. So instead, I
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  Speaker 9: thought there's probably a lot of people listening at home
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  Speaker 9: that don't know some of these answers. Probably some people
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  Speaker 9: on the show don't know. So... I thought it would
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  Speaker 9: be good for everybody if we just throw it out
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  Speaker 9: there in the middle of the show. So, um, I
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  Speaker 9: guess we'll get into that. What, what do you have
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  Speaker 9: questions about the show?
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  Speaker 12: Hmm.
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  Speaker 13: Well, um, I guess the biggest question is, might take
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  Speaker 13: a little bit to answer, but how did this show develop?
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  Speaker 10: How did you kind of get to this point?
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  Speaker 9: Started at birth. This is going to be a long story. Um,
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  Speaker 9: it really is a lot of little pieces. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: there is stuff that I can go back. We, we,
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  Speaker 9: recently just did a whole episode on our first love
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  Speaker 9: of movies and the first movie we saw that kind
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  Speaker 9: of like really made us change the way we think
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  Speaker 9: about movies. So that goes back to when I was
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  Speaker 9: a little kid. So you can say it started there,
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  Speaker 9: and that was sort of the love of movies. Going
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  Speaker 9: forward to more of this coming together, I guess we
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  Speaker 9: can stop in the middle. Again, as we mentioned on
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  Speaker 9: a recent episode, there were several of us that worked
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  Speaker 9: together in a video store and used to stand around
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  Speaker 9: Having these conversations all day long, and again, I think
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  Speaker 9: it was planting the seed. I think I always kind
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  Speaker 9: of had that sick idea that I wanted to have
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  Speaker 9: my own show. Doesn't everybody have that, really? I want
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  Speaker 9: to have my own talk show. I'm still waiting to
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  Speaker 9: get a desk and a chair. That hasn't come together yet.
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  Speaker 9: But in general, I think I always had some sort
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  Speaker 9: of weird idea that I wanted to put something together
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  Speaker 9: like that and sort of meshing that together with the
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  Speaker 9: weird conversations we had At the video store, I think
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  Speaker 9: it started to sort of come piece itself together in
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  Speaker 9: a little bit there. And then, again, we've been working
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  Speaker 9: with Nancy's for quite a while. So that's probably the
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  Speaker 9: very beginning of this process is I started working with
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  Speaker 9: her and putting together art shows and stuff here. And
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  Speaker 9: we had quite a run there for about two, three years.
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  Speaker 9: We had a really successful run of art shows based
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  Speaker 9: out of here. And a lot of those same people
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  Speaker 9: are involved, some of which were on the show. So
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  Speaker 9: I was already seeing a lot of crossover. So again,
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  Speaker 9: my love of movies was already tying into the art
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  Speaker 9: geek world. So from pretty early on, I put together
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  Speaker 9: one that was like a movie geek art show. And
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  Speaker 9: everybody did movie-themed artwork. And that was a decent tie-in.
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  Speaker 9: And again, sort of solidifying all this stuff together. So
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  Speaker 9: at that point, I think I started talking to a
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  Speaker 9: couple of the artists, I mean, Misty had always been
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  Speaker 9: on board, so I roped her in from the beginning.
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  Speaker 9: Roger was one of our artists at that point, and
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  Speaker 9: he was interested in doing it. So we sort of
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  Speaker 9: pieced together about four people early on, and I'd just
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  Speaker 9: kind of gotten fascinated with the idea of doing this
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  Speaker 9: kind of thing. I'd just sort of discovered it myself,
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  Speaker 9: and within about a couple of months was already working
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  Speaker 9: on putting mine together. So it was a pretty quick
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  Speaker 9: turnaround from when I, again, I think I always wanted
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  Speaker 9: to do a version of this and just the technology
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  Speaker 9: hadn't caught up with us yet. So it was right
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  Speaker 9: about that time that I, that I found them online
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  Speaker 9: and was like, actually the first one I hated. And
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  Speaker 9: that was half the, the reason for it was like,
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  Speaker 9: I can put something better together, better than this. It's like, I,
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  Speaker 9: I don't like what they're doing. They're selling themselves short. They're, they're,
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  Speaker 9: they're really putting like no effort into it. And, uh,
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  Speaker 9: so yeah, I was just like, I think I could
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  Speaker 9: put something together and I think I know people, you know, that,
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  Speaker 9: that have, Better conversations that are entertaining. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 9: think that's kind of where all that started. So that
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  Speaker 9: was actually as of December, we'll be having our fifth
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  Speaker 9: anniversary show. It's been four full years, but yeah, we
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  Speaker 9: started right about.
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  Speaker 10: Any big plans for your fifth anniversary?
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  Speaker 9: We're also coming up on 200 episodes, and I don't
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  Speaker 9: think we're doing anything. We're planning a live event here
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  Speaker 9: at Nancy's. That's not specifically tied to either, really, but
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  Speaker 9: I think that's going to be our first real big
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  Speaker 9: public celebration.
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  Speaker 13: And then how did.
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  Speaker 10: You get the know-how to do all this stuff?
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  Speaker 9: Trial and error. If you go back, hit and miss
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  Speaker 9: over the years. It goes through areas where it sounds great,
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  Speaker 9: and then something will change. that's part of the problem
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  Speaker 9: is we've, I don't like sitting around the house from
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  Speaker 9: day one. I kind of wanted it to be able
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  Speaker 9: to pick up and move if necessary, if possible. So
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  Speaker 9: I always liked going to events and going out into
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  Speaker 9: the world. There's probably a lot of podcasts that are
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  Speaker 9: sitting in their mom's basement and never leave the, you know,
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  Speaker 9: in front of the computer wearing a Skype headset. And
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  Speaker 9: it's like, I don't, I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 9: I think from day one, I wanted it to be
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  Speaker 9: people around the table. I wanted to be able to
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  Speaker 9: actually meet up with, with, you know, get friends together and,
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  Speaker 9: Have a conversation. I think that's a key element to
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  Speaker 9: our show is it feels very much like a real
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  Speaker 9: conversation that you might have with your friends. And I
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  Speaker 9: don't think you can do that with Skype. Skype always
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  Speaker 9: sounds weird. It sounds like you're eavesdropping on a phone call.
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  Speaker 9: And I never wanted to do that. I've tried it
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  Speaker 9: a few times, and it's never the same. I just
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  Speaker 9: don't respond to it the same. So I always wanted
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  Speaker 9: to be able to do that. So from that came
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  Speaker 9: piecing together, going in debt. We'll put it that way.
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  Speaker 9: for mixers and microphones, and then trying to figure out
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  Speaker 9: what sounds best, and then each time we would move
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  Speaker 9: to a new location, it would totally ruin all that,
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  Speaker 9: and I'd start from scratch. Massively, what I got here,
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  Speaker 9: the sound here is hard to deal with. I think
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  Speaker 9: just in the last six months, I've really kind of
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  Speaker 9: found a way to make it come off pretty good
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  Speaker 9: in here, so it's a constant battle. Each time we
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  Speaker 9: move to a different setting, it's a whole different set
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  Speaker 9: of scenarios and And stuff to readjust for.
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  Speaker 13: Well, and then for, I guess, everyone else, why are
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  Speaker 13: you all part of this? What do you get from...
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  Speaker 13: What's the allure? What do you kind of get from it?
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  Speaker 9: Got the gun under the table. Don't you say a word.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I was a fan from.
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  Speaker 6: I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, I obviously knew Brian worked at a video store
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  Speaker 3: with him, and he said early on, hey, I've got
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  Speaker 3: this project I'm putting together. Tell me what you think
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 9: And from.
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  Speaker 3: maybe like the third episode I started listening and not
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  Speaker 3: too long after then I had a job that allowed
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  Speaker 3: me to I had on headphones and I could listen
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  Speaker 3: to eight podcasts from different people a day and so
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  Speaker 3: it was a great environment that I could kind of
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  Speaker 3: learn this is still probably my favorite show of all
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  Speaker 3: of them and one day he said I would even
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  Speaker 3: write in because they had like a listener comment section
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  Speaker 3: so I'd write in early on and say my peace
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  Speaker 3: of mind and finally said, why don't you just come
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  Speaker 3: over and record with us? I've been hooked ever since.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it's like a book club for a movie geek.
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  Speaker 3: You get an assignment, you watch it, you might watch
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  Speaker 3: it again, or something like that, and then you get
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  Speaker 3: together and do what I've always done with my friends,
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  Speaker 3: is after you go watch a movie, go talk about it.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's part of my doing, is I like
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  Speaker 9: roping people in. So as we've gone along, again, I've
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  Speaker 9: kind of As we find somebody that I think is
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  Speaker 9: interesting and has something to say, I kind of like
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  Speaker 9: invite people in. And that's really when we got here.
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  Speaker 9: It's like when it was, for a while we were
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  Speaker 9: doing it on the house, which was not a good scenario.
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  Speaker 9: And it's hard to invite people in, so I wanted
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  Speaker 9: a place to be able to meet. And, yeah, once
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  Speaker 9: we got here, I just kind of opened it up.
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  Speaker 9: So we've got a lot of interesting tie-ins to different things.
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  Speaker 9: Lucy works with the Lexington Film League, so that's kind
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  Speaker 9: of how we eat. came to, you know, I was
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  Speaker 9: working with stuff that they were doing in Lexington, and
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  Speaker 9: we got an interesting crossover, so now we're trying to
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  Speaker 9: tie the cities together and find all the geeks in
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  Speaker 9: both of them and get them to come to all
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  Speaker 9: the same projects.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, I came in basically the way Brian described. I
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  Speaker 14: knew him, we talked at work about movies and stuff,
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  Speaker 14: and then I was in a couple of the art shows.
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  Speaker 14: I was in one here, and then He asked me
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  Speaker 14: if I wanted to come talk about movies, and I did,
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  Speaker 14: and it was really fun. And there were other people
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  Speaker 14: here who knew movies I hadn't seen. And also, I
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  Speaker 14: like Nancy's. It was like, oh, we're doing that at Nancy's.
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  Speaker 14: And it's just stayed interesting since then. I sometimes, during
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  Speaker 14: the podcast, have to make notes of some of the
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  Speaker 14: things that, get mentioned.
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  Speaker 8: Because I have to look them up later and.
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  Speaker 14: That's kind of how I get my new feed of
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  Speaker 14: stuff I want to see is from things people mention
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  Speaker 14: that I haven't seen I.
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  Speaker 9: Hope that's how it's working for the listeners too so
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  Speaker 9: it's interesting that it also works for the people on
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  Speaker 9: the show I don't think there's a huge dividing line
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  Speaker 9: I think that's what I like about what we're trying
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  Speaker 9: to do is that I think the people listening at
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  Speaker 9: home don't feel that way with traditional TV shows and
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  Speaker 9: even like radio broadcasting There's a big disconnect, and you
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  Speaker 9: don't feel like, you know, there's a very phony persona
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  Speaker 9: that gets put on when they get in front of
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  Speaker 9: the camera or behind the microphone, and I don't think
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  Speaker 9: we have that. I think if you listen to this
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  Speaker 9: real quick, you realize we don't have that.
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  Speaker 13: I was going to ask what makes this different than
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  Speaker 13: some of the other movie podcasts and whatnot.
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  Speaker 9: There are a lot out there. I won't pretend like
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  Speaker 9: there aren't. And, again, it's weird because I've watched a
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  Speaker 9: ton of them come up since then. I mean, when
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  Speaker 9: I started, I only knew of, like, two other people
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  Speaker 9: really that were doing it beforehand that I talked to
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  Speaker 9: and even they weren't in this I mean they were
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  Speaker 9: regional but they were not in the city so it's
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  Speaker 9: it's funny how much now there's a multitude of shows
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  Speaker 9: out there and still a good portion of the population
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  Speaker 9: has no idea what a podcast is but I again
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  Speaker 9: I think it's I think it's the way that we
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  Speaker 9: identify with the movies and the way that we sort
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  Speaker 9: of put ourselves into this situation it's like we we
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  Speaker 9: sort of get a whole discussion going that I think
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  Speaker 9: it's different than a lot of other shows. I don't
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  Speaker 9: know what you guys think, but I think it's... I
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  Speaker 9: try to address it from every angle and look at
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  Speaker 9: not just what's going on in the movie, because sometimes
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  Speaker 9: that's a discussion in itself, but also what was going
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  Speaker 9: on when the movie was made. Sometimes that's equally as
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  Speaker 9: interesting as what happened during the filming of the movie
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  Speaker 9: or what happened at the time of the movie, especially
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  Speaker 9: if you go back and look at old movies. Sometimes
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  Speaker 9: it's a very different scenario as to why they are
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  Speaker 9: the way they are. And then also just I try
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  Speaker 9: to tie it in. I think we all kind of
• 14:09
  Speaker 9: look at stuff, just people in general, you look at
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  Speaker 9: it personally. And I think, I know I would try
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  Speaker 9: to put a personal spin on it and be like,
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  Speaker 9: why do I respond to this movie a specific way?
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  Speaker 9: And I think, at least from my end, that's what
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  Speaker 9: I always try to do. That a lot of shows
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  Speaker 9: I don't think necessarily attempt to do that.
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  Speaker 10: What do you guys think? What makes you all different
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  Speaker 10: than other movie podcasts?
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  Speaker 8: I don't listen to other movies. podcasts. I do listen
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  Speaker 8: to other podcasts.
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  Speaker 10: I was keeping my mouth shut for that same reason.
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  Speaker 14: And usually I save podcasts for like certain periods of
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  Speaker 14: time like when I'm doing certain kinds of work it's
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  Speaker 14: like I can look forward to listening to a podcast while.
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  Speaker 8: I'm working on stuff.
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  Speaker 14: But I've tried to listen to a few other movie
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  Speaker 14: podcasts but I didn't get engaged and.
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  Speaker 8: I do listen to other podcasts. I love, you know,
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  Speaker 8: like The Moth.
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  Speaker 14: Storytelling, things like that, Radio Lab.
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  Speaker 9: Stephen Tobolowsky. We were just discussing him earlier. He's awesome.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, what do you think that people get
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  Speaker 13: from changing, you know, asking a little different, what do
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  Speaker 13: you think people get from yours that maybe is a
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  Speaker 13: little bit special or they get more of from yours?
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  Speaker 5: I think they get, like, On top of just, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the topical movie stuff, you can throw a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of personal narrative in there. Like, we'll tell some pretty
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  Speaker 5: interesting stories to each other, and that always, I think,
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  Speaker 5: makes for a good listening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I think the difference, definitely, between ours and, you know...
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  Speaker 10: I mean, podcasts are a lot different than, like, NPR
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  Speaker 10: radio shows, but so many things kind of have some sort...
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  Speaker 10: Not that we're not structured, but they have some sort
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  Speaker 10: of a script. We definitely don't.
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  Speaker 15: We just.
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  Speaker 10: We're allowed to go off on tangents. Sometimes it's not.
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  Speaker 9: Always a good thing. And we do.
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  Speaker 10: But, you know, it's just kind of off the cuff.
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  Speaker 9: I think people identify with that. I think that's the
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  Speaker 9: conversational style of it is the fact that we just,
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  Speaker 9: because I really don't, I structure the way that we
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  Speaker 9: do the show, but after that it's just throw it
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  Speaker 9: out there and let everybody say what they want to say.
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  Speaker 9: Don't really, you know, steer people towards one opinion. Everybody
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  Speaker 9: has a different take on stuff, and I try to
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  Speaker 9: get everybody to voice what they think about it.
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  Speaker 13: And I'm still coming kind of into this, so I
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  Speaker 13: apologize if this is an easy or stupid question to ask,
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  Speaker 13: but how do you all pick the movies?
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  Speaker 10: Is it by vote, or is it by.
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  Speaker 9: Usually random, and random means I come up with it.
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  Speaker 9: Every once in a while, we'll throw other ones in.
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  Speaker 9: Like this one, I just sort of threw out there
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  Speaker 9: to see what kind of good option we could come
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  Speaker 9: up with, and I think Fred came up with this one.
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  Speaker 9: But I know everybody's kind of suggested stuff. We've got a...
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  Speaker 9: list that's the size of a phone book now that
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  Speaker 9: we're attempting to get through but it's it's you know
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  Speaker 9: we only do a few at a time and then
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  Speaker 9: there's other episodes we don't even address the movie so
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  Speaker 9: the movies are just sort of we get to them
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  Speaker 9: as we get to them and i kind of like
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  Speaker 9: that because it gives us you know we've always got
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  Speaker 9: something to work on that's sort of why i love
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: movies you'll never be done it's it's there's so many
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: movies out there that you you could watch them every
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: day of your life and just kind of scratch the
• 17:16
  Speaker 9: surface of what is out there so it's i don't
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: know it's always entertaining There.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Are a lot of movie podcasts that focus on a genre,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: and that's not necessarily fun. Eventually you get to the
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: point where they're rehashing the same thing, or it seems
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: like they're talking about the same subject.
• 17:35
  Speaker 10: Or they're analyzing it within the box of that genre.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Right, and to somebody from the outside that may not
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: be as well-versed in it, it's not as interesting. To me, this,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: we can go from the worst horrible movie you've ever seen.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: Bigfoot.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: To, you know, the best, you know, indie film or
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Academy Award winning film or anything. The range is wide open. Sci-fi, horror, everything. And,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you know, looking through the list, and again, it's not,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know, and you don't like talking about yourself,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: but I looked through the list on the website a
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: few weeks ago and I was kind of like almost
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a proud moment. Like, this is a good list. It's
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: got a good mix of trash to, you know, something
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that you'd recommend to your mom.
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And so that, that's, that's kind of fun. Uh, that
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: kind of keeps it interesting. You never really know what
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you're going to watch, uh, with this, with this show.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And I think that along with that, I think, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Ben brought up the, that we just kind of talk and,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you know, personal narratives and things like that. And, I think,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's coming from my perspective, you know, especially
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: listening to it early on. There was one point right
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: before I started on the show where I was talking
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: about listening to the podcast. I said, I even caught
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: myself because I'm talking to a real-life friend about a
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: person whom I've never met on the show, but I'd
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: listened to for hours. And I said, oh, my friend
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: said this movie was really good. And I caught myself
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and I said, I just referenced somebody as a friend
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: that I've never met, you know, but... I've never felt
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that way about any other podcast, but it is. I mean,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I think you feel like you're more connected, maybe. That
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: seems weird to talk about.
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think.
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: It's true, though.
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: I don't think any of us are presenting ourselves as
• 19:31
  Speaker 14: movie critics in the way we talk about movies.
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: I've gone out of my way to not... I don't
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: respond well to the way people critique movies, and I never...
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: I mean, sometimes I'll throw it out there just trying
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: to describe to people what we do, but I don't usually...
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: talk about it like it's a critique, or a review
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: as much as a discussion. It's like I like it
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: to be, I don't even go in with it set 100%.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Like sometimes it's just sort of a general idea of
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: what I thought of it, and it's through the discussion
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: that we have that I kind of figure out, oh, yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: you're right. You know, you bring up a good point.
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think we've kind of swayed each other
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: on a lot of different things over the years, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: it's like, I'll go in with one feeling, and I
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: may not totally turn it around, but I'll be like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: you've got a good point that I never thought of,
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: and it was only through this discussion that I kind
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: of realized that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 13: Is there any movie that, any, or any type of
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: movies that are kind of out of, that you don't do,
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: like they're really old movies, or, you know, The Notebook,
• 20:30
  Speaker 13: Chick Flicks, or anything?
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: We've done a little of everything. I mean, I like
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: Going way back, and we've done stuff like Rebecca was
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: an awesome episode, and we did a lot of stuff,
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: and that's early Hitchcock.
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: What's he?
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: Oh, we did Harvey. When Harry Met Sally. We did, well,
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: and that's, yeah, going to the other. That was a
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: specific request, but we did When Harry Met Sally. Some
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: people boycotted it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: We don't need garbage pail kids.
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: I'm still up for that one. Marlena loves that one.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I want to do that one.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: I need to change. It just keeps coming up.
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: It's on the list. I'm sorry, Tangerine.
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: I just don't think you're pretty anymore.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: So, again, I think we like kind of going into
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: the ridiculous stuff. And we like throwing out some of
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: the really schlocky B-movie stuff. Just because, again, sometimes... the reason,
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: but that they, you know, especially with drive-in stuff and
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: B movies, it's like a lot of the times the
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: reason they got made is for an entirely different than
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: what's on the screen. It's like they were, they were
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: supposed to be, you know, an allegory about this, or
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: they were meant to, you know, sway the public's feelings
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: about that. And it's really interesting to go back and
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: look at why. And I think that's kind of what
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: we do. I like to mesh all that into one
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: big thing and be like, it's a discussion about the
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: movie itself, but it's also a discussion about just movies
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: in general and the the making of them and the,
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: the sort of world that we've created with their existence.
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: It's like, you've got all these movie geeks that most
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: of their life comes to, you know, we tie everything
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: to movies and we, you know, we reference lines from them. We,
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: you know, we, we tie them to our everyday life.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: And I think that's kind of what I try to
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: do with this is, is not just present the movie,
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: but how we, as you know, fans of movies respond
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: to the movies. And I think that's what comes into
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: it every week.
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: Cool.
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: And then you were telling me how you had some
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: famous people on. I think you said Lily Tomlin and
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: Billy Dee Williams. Are those the top moments when you
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: think back on the last five years? Or what are
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: the top favorite things that have come out of this?
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: Sometimes it's that, but it's funny. Sometimes it's more of
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: just our... I mean, when we get a really good
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: discussion going sometimes, I can look back. through the list,
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: and I'll be like, oh, man, I remember that episode.
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: And I remember it being really good. And it may
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: just be, you know, six or seven of us sitting
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: in a coffee shop talking. And it is parallel with
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: some of the bigger stars sometimes because it's really fun.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: But we have had probably one of the more interesting
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: ones having people in here. I mean, we had Jess Weixler,
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: who we're going to be talking about this coming, you know, episode.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: She was in here. sitting in her, you know, drinking
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: coffee with us, talking about making movies, and then talking about,
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: you know, we had her sit down and watch a
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: movie that she has nothing to do with, and she
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: sat in for that discussion, and that was, again, probably
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: one of the more interesting segments, because listening to her
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: as an actress talk about what people on screen are doing,
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: I think is a different level, and I really liked
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: doing that, and then we, I try to do that
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: as often as we can, anytime we can find an
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: actor that's willing to sit in for those kind of segments,
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: those I really like because it gives a really different
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: perspective than what people sitting in the audience think about
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: a movie.
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: What are your all's favorite moments, I guess, from doing this?
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: I like the discussion of War Horse.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: The argument or discussion?
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: The argument was great, yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 14: And I hadn't seen it yet, but it just like
• 24:02
  Speaker 14: really primed me to go see that movie.
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: You just liked seeing my hateful side.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I did.
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: That was kind of fun.
• 24:08
  Speaker 14: And I liked when we talked about, another great one
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: was at the Lebowski Fest when we talked about Raising
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: Arizona and the band.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: That was funny. That was really funny.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: That was one of the road shows there. We went
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: out to, again, I try to highlight what we have.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, we're coming out of a weird place to
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: be doing a show about the entertainment industry. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: we're not in L.A. We're not even in New York
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: or Chicago. We're in the middle of the country here.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: And you would think there would be nothing to find here.
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: But it's funny. Like, the more I go, like, I'll
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: plan stuff out. And we've got so many things that
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: we're going to. and a lot of which center around
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: this city. So, I mean, we had Lebowski Fest, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: I'm like, most people don't realize that started here. Like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: it's become this big thing, and it hits all these cities,
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: but people don't realize this is where it came from.
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: So we, again, I also like to do it probably wrong.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: I don't like, it's a little too on the nose sometimes,
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: so it's like, okay, I think we should go to
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: Lebowski Fest, but not talk about the big Lebowski. But
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: we like the Coen Brothers, let's pick another Coen. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: we're sitting in the parking lot of Lebowski Fest, talking
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: about raising Arizona, which I thought was fun. So yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: there's pictures of us in the van holding mics from
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: one seat to the next, and I've got the recorder
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: in the car, and we're actually recording. In the parking
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: lot of Lebowski Fest.
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there was something very beautiful about turning a minivan
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: into a de facto studio in the parking lot of
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: Lebowski Fest. It felt very Lebowski in and of itself.
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of. I do that a lot.
• 25:40
  Speaker 14: People kept wandering by the van who were dressed as
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: things that were not in the movie.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Was Moses in Lebowski Fest?
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: That's the director's cut.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: You missed it. Flashback.
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: I think, I mean, I don't ever really go to
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: Lebowski Fest. That was my first time going, but I
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: was just amused by the fact that people dress up
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: from inanimate objects from the movie because they've run out
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: of costume ideas. Like, there were so many people that
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: were dressed up as the rug.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: That one guy was really good.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: Oh, and what was the one that we couldn't figure
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: it out?
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: The King and Queen?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: The King and Queen.
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: The Royal We?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: The Royal We. That was genius.
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: So sad.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: So what do you see in the future?
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: I mean, is there any on-location place that you're really
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: hoping to go to?
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, what do you see happening?
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: We've been a lot of places. I mean, when I
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: look back at some of the different, I mean, we
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: usually don't go more than, I mean, there's usually a
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: dry spell, but once we hit like the heading into
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: the warmer months out of the year, there's probably not
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: a month that goes by that we're not on location somewhere. And,
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: you know, so we do a lot of stuff that
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: shows here, and then we've been to Chicago and done stuff,
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: and we go to Lexington, and we do Cincinnati and Indianapolis.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: So we hit a lot of different locations in this area,
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: sort of the regional area here. Can you make, like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: film festivals?
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: Like, one day you want to go to Cannes or something?
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: I'd love to be able to do a tie-in. We
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: need to hit Sundance. We need to hit, yeah, as
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: long as... That's the problem. At this point, I think
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: that's what we need to get to that level. We
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: need funding. So we need somebody to start kicking in
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: some cash and either take donations or we'll hawk anything.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: We don't care. We'll start doing that. I mean, we've
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: got a place for commercials right now. All we need
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: is somebody to start throwing some.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: Cash at us.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: That'd be cool if we could get a tour bus.
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: I'm up for that, too. I think we need to
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: travel around. Again, I like going out and actually... getting
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: in the middle of the world and talking with real
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: people and talking with people that actually work in the movies.
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: So I think that's the way to go about it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: And when we're not, I like kind of having a
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: home base here, and this is kind of what this
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: has become. I would say it's our second home, but
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: it's kind of our first home, really. If we do
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: one that's not on location at a film festival or
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: at a convention or something, it's from Nancy. So it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: kind of become our main base of operation when we're
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: in Louisville.
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: Is there any, I mean, for all y'all, is there
• 28:13
  Speaker 13: any celebrity actor or someone who, like, if you could
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: get them on the show, then, like, you've arrived or
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: then you can be happy?
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: I'm already happy.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: We had Roger Corman.
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: I'm still, like, he's the reason half the people in
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: Hollywood are working today. So I thought that was pretty amazing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you interviewed Willie Tomlin.
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was pretty huge.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody comes by.
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: You can't help liking them after they sit around and
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: talk about movies with you.
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: Like if you get Johnny Depp and Nancy's Bagels, is
• 28:51
  Speaker 13: that going to be like.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: That would be cool.
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: Actually, after that thing that Misty posted about the bird
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: on his head, I don't want to hear him talk
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: ever again. I really don't.
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: That's true. We're also not PC in any way, shape,
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: or form, so.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I have to keep Lou our chances of Johnny Depp.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I have to keep track of.
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: Which bridges we've burned as we go.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: I mean, he does still have family in Lou from
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: what I've heard.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: That's the thing. I mean, we do have their tie-in,
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: so I'm still working on that Jennifer Lawrence thing. I mean,
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: our family still lives here. George Clooney. George Clooney's got
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: to come back, so.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: He seems, he's just, you try not to like him
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: and you give up.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: He seems like such a good guy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: Well, lastly, because I'll probably have more questions.
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: Later, but I guess for right now, what is it
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: about movies that you guys love so much? I mean,
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: why not music or something else? What is it about
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: movies that really just kind of pulls you in?
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: I like other stuff too.
• 29:52
  Speaker 14: I actually don't like anything else.
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: But I don't know why I like movies exclusively. I
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: don't actually have an answer to that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: I just don't respond to other stuff the same. The
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: same thing with Red. I like other stuff, but I've
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: realized that in trying to work with stuff over the years,
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: it's like, I mean, I even did just doing interviews
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: and stuff with other people for a different thing. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: was doing interviews with musicians and stuff, and I just
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: didn't respond the same it's like i could pick the
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: specific people that i liked and i wanted to interview
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: them but it's like if i had to go and
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: talk to musicians every day i i just i don't
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: have that love for it the same i think there's
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: a disconnect between me and music or me and anything
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: else that that isn't there with movies it's like movies
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: is just a connection from from childhood and it's never
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: gone away and i i think.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: For me you know You get the cliche of people
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: comparing a book to a movie. And to me, I've
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: gone through enough evaluation of books that I can have
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: a degree in literature and all that does is prepare
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: me for this, not for what I do in the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: real world. And to me, a movie is one of
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the greatest art forms because it's visual, you've got music,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you've got acting, you've got directing, you've got Everything that
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: you can throw in and people say, oh, there's so
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: much more in a book, for instance, because they can
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: go into such detail. Well, you don't realize, the average person,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I guess, doesn't realize how much detail there is in
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: a scene and how much you can show with just
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: an actress lingering on a thought for a moment or...
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: what's in the background or what she's wearing or anything.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And the only sense you really can't get out of
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: it is smell.
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: Or even touch.
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: That's what I was going to say.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And a good director can do that by the way
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: they react to how something tastes or smells. And to me,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a great movie is a painting and it is a
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: song and it is theater all rolled into one and
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a great piece of literature. And so with movies, you
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: can take two hours out of your life and completely
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: immerse yourself quickly. And I don't have time for books
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: anymore to really devote to that. But a film, I
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: can knock out four or five in a week if
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm having a good week. And it's just not the same.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And we can quickly watch it and get right back
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: into the discussion. You couldn't have that with a... A
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: book club would have to be a month for me,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: not a week. To me, that's how I latch on
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: And it's a communal experience, which a book is not,
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: unless you're all reading aloud together. For me, movies are
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: just sort of magic. I mean, having worked in production,
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  Speaker 11: it's sort of a miracle that there's ever a good
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: movie ever. That's true.
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  Speaker 12: It is.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, seriously, because it has to start with a
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: really solid script, and then 10 million things can go
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: wrong from there, and then after they actually finish shooting it,
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: another 20 million things can go wrong from there. So
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: the fact that any good movie gets made ever is
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: like an achievement beyond anything my mind can even wrap
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  Speaker 11: itself around.
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  Speaker 10: I think that's all I have right now, but probably
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  Speaker 10: more questions later. All right.
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  Speaker 9: Take a break now?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Get some more coffee.
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  Speaker 9: All right. We will take a break, go reload on
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  Speaker 9: the coffee, and be back with this week's movie.
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  Speaker 17: Battles of your youth cause this is just.
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  Speaker 6: Don't answer that doorbell unless you're ready for a lovely
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: young package of trouble.
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  Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Candy Wilson, the babysitter.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: The babysitter. She came to sit with baby and ended
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: up with daddy. And now together for the first time,
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: two motion pictures that spell double trouble. The babysitter and
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: weekend with the babysitter. Two different babysitters, two different stories,
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  Speaker 6: right out of your own living room. Only the names
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: have been changed to protect the guilty.
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  Speaker 4: Candy, you don't think that I would.
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  Speaker 16: I'm old enough to be.
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  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 18: Maxwell, you're old enough to do anything you want to do.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: They hear back to back. Don't miss The Babysitter and
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: Weekend with The Babysitter. A double-barreled film experience that hits home.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Perhaps your home.
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: Right now, you're all that life is.
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: That's what I said.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Right now. A Crown International release rated R.
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  Speaker 9: All games considered. With news.
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  Speaker 8: Now we have a press release.
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  Speaker 2: Views.
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  Speaker 9: The fiction I know is not everyone's cup of tea,
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: but this one is pretty creepy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 15: I like it.
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  Speaker 9: Reviews.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me as much because you're not worried
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: about the weapons tables because there aren't any.
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: And interviews.
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  Speaker 3: Sean Patrick Fennin.
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  Speaker 8: Greg Payline from Microtactics Incorporated. I'm Andy Chambers with Games Workshop.
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• 37:43
  Speaker 4: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: What's going on?
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I've been pretty depressed recently.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: What is it that you do exactly? I'm a musician.
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: You got gigs coming up soon?
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: Nothing in the immediate future.
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: Kind of anxious.
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: Joyless.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: Remember, we need organic baby diapers.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I don't really like my job.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: Green X, you bet.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: Green X, you bet.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up?
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: Tell everybody I'm an old prick.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't tell anybody that you were an old prick.
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: How many old pricks work here?
• 38:17
  Speaker 21: Watch it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Hi, Radco, it's Lonnie.
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: I don't think I'm going to be able to make
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: it in today.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: Oh, God, not again.
• 38:30
  Speaker 22: Not again.
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: Why?
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: Why you can't come to me?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Please just stop yelling at me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: Why can't I come to you?
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 38:36
  Speaker 22: Radko.
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: Radko, my daughter died last night.
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: We just heard the news about Santa.
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: It's Patrick.
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: I just heard the news about the baby.
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: It's okay, baby.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: Daddy loves you.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: How was your day?
• 38:54
  Speaker 15: Unusual.
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: Usual.
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry, but we got, uh, memorial stuff we've got
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: to send out to some, like, Evites.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Evites?
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: I baked you this quiche.
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: You doing okay?
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: Hey.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's so sweet, babe. I got this.
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: Do you know a three-letter word for distance?
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: Starts with an F.
• 39:18
  Speaker 14: This isn't the life that we wanted.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: If you want your life to change, you need to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: be honest with yourself and your wife.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: But music sucks.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, music sucks.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: We're allowed to change things, right?
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: I just have this perfect vision, you know, of us.
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: I've got to tell you something.
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: You whisper that you were getting tired Got a look
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: in your eye Looks a lot like goodbye Hold on
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: to your secrets tonight Don't want to know I'm okay
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: with this silence It's a truth that I don't want.
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: To hear You're hiding regret in your smile.
• 40:23
  Speaker 19: There's a storm in your eyes I've seen coming for
• 40:27
  Speaker 19: a while Hang on to.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: The past tense tonight.
• 40:33
  Speaker 17: Don't say a word I'm okay.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: With the quiet.
• 40:50
  Speaker 17: That'll make it through the night.
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: I don't mind if you wait.
• 40:55
  Speaker 19: Before you tear me apart Look me in the eye Lie, lie,
• 41:05
  Speaker 19: lie Lie, lie, lie Alright.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: We are back and it is time for this week's
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: Sofa Theater Feature. This week's Sofa Theater Feature is The Lie.
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: The year is 2011, director Joshua Leonard. They plot, according
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: to IMDb, a man's life is altered unexpectedly after telling
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: a lie to get out of work. So with that
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: spoiler alert, and this one in particular, we've sort of
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: touched on it a while back, but we didn't spoil
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: anything then because the movie hadn't even come out yet.
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: So we've given ourselves like a year and a half
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: window at this point, especially because it's streaming right now.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: So Go watch it beforehand because we're not only going
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: to reveal the lie, but then everything that it totally
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: tears apart in the process. So, yeah, go watch it beforehand.
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: You've been warned.
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: All right.
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: That having been said, where would you like to begin?
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm already on the record as I totally love
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: this movie.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: I really, really like this movie.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: I have to say, going back, because I saw it
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: in the theater when we were there at the film
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: fest when they were presenting it, And I think at
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: the time I was more... And it's weird because I didn't...
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: I mean, we hadn't even talked to Jess at that point.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: But I was really kind of impressed with her performance.
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: And that sort of overshadowed everything else, I guess. Because
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: I remember... I like the movie, but it's like re-watching
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: it this time. I appreciate a lot more of what's
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: going on. And I give Joshua Leonard a lot more
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: credit for what he put together in the process. I
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: don't know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 18: I think.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: I ended up respecting it a lot more as a
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: movie going back and re-watching it the second time.
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: I was afraid I was going to be disappointed re-watching it,
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: but no, I'm still down.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: My first time viewing it was at the film festival
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: as well. I always have that, if you see something
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: with a film festival crowd, you're all going to love it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: you know, right away.
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: It's a weird thing.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: So I walked away from it thinking, was it as
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: good as I thought? Was it, you know, was the performances,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you know, you've got the director sitting in front of you,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: you interview him 10 minutes later. That was, you know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: so when I watched the second time, I was very
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: aware of that. And kind of the same thing. I
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: thought I was also the first time I was very
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: aware of tonally where he was going, or maybe confused
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: tonally with where he was going.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: You think.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Straight away, is this a comedy? Just a dark comedy?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Or is this a drama that has some comedy thrown in?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: It definitely kind of fits somewhere in there. And I
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: thought maybe, well, when I go back, I'm going to
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: maybe even see flaws in that. You know, perhaps. This
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: time I was like, oh no, it comfortably fits in
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: that that right on the edge of, I want to
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: turn it off because I'm physically uncomfortable with where this
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: is going. You know, like I've referenced in the past,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: my wonder years, I want to change the channel because
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: he's just said something stupid or, um, you know, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I was again, also afraid I was going to just
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: hate the, hate the characters this time.
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, what kind of a person would do
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: something like this? So, but it really, um, walks that
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: line very well, I think, throughout the film.
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: And I think, again, I almost became more sympathetic this
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: time around. I mean, you see what he's done and
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: how wrong it is, but you also see that snowball
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: effect going, and you're just like, then all of a sudden,
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: this time around, I was a little more putting myself
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: in his shoes and be like, well, God, what do
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: you do? I mean, you made this stupid mistake. You
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: shouldn't do that. But now that you have... what do
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: you do, like, there's no recovery from this, so I,
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: I think I got a little more into his, I
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: think I was a little more detached that first time,
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: and just sort of watching it, and again, not knowing
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: where the story was going, and what he was doing
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: with the weird tone, because it's not, it's barely a comedy,
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's a little bit of comedy here and there,
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: and that's funny that online, that's how they list it, too,
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: it's an indie film slash comedy, according to them, but
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: I'm like, It's so much drama. I don't know.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: I find myself laughing so much.
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: Uncomfortable.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: There aren't even.
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: Really jokes or anything. It's just when the characters do something,
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: I just.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: Can't help it. It's so funny.
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: I think the first time when he just doesn't go
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: into work, like he walks up and then he just turns.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: Around, I start laughing there.
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: And then I see him making the phone call and
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: you can see his.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Boss in the window.
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: It's hilarious.
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: And then when he goes to the diner, because what
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: do you do when you give yourself a day off?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: You go get breakfast.
• 46:06
  Speaker 14: These hash browns are amazing. There's a lot about it
• 46:12
  Speaker 14: that's really funny.
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: You do feel voyeuristic watching it. It's so.
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: Well, it's very naturalistic, although.
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: Oh, and then, I love the waitress.
• 46:32
  Speaker 14: Waiter, waitress.
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: But, what's a three-letter word for distance? It starts with
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: an S.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Far?
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: Far?
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: To me, that does a lot for the tone of
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: the movie, just that one little exchange.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's eating at the diner, and he's like, oh, man,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: it's my day off. It's going to be the best
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: day off ever. He's like, like you said, these hash
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: browns are amazing. And she just kind of was like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: I don't care.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: And he's just disappointed.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: He's like, no, you're supposed to be like, thank you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: And he's just like, right then, even her not acknowledging
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: him is just the start of like, I made a mistake.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: This is not going as I planned.
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: That was great. Oh, the awkwardness in it. Like the dinner. Oh,
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: the dinner.
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: If one of your friends hit your other friends up
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: for investment, they'll get dinner.
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: There are so many moments in this movie where it
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: was just so uncomfortable. It's excruciating. Like the awkwardness that
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: you feel when you're watching The Office or something like that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: And you're like, oh, no, dinner. That's what I felt
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: like a lot of times.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: It's funny you mention that because The Office right now
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: is doing a version of this story with Jim and Pam.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: It's going into really dark territory. Ever since Steve Carell left,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: they just... No, wait.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: Jim is like doing like.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: He's.
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: Going into business with a friend of his and he
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: hasn't told Pam.
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: And it's just.
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: Going along and it's getting more and more awkward. And
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: at the same time, her ex is getting married. And
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: she's starting to feel like they just know everything about each.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Other, and she keeps needing, well, tell me something about
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: you that I don't know. And he has this massive thing.
• 48:22
  Speaker 14: It's very un-gym-like for him to do that, but it's,
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: I was like watching the online videos with my daughter,
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: and I was like, this is pretty much the same
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: similar kind of couple story.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Just the compulsive, like, I'm not going to say anything.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: You can tell the whole movie, like, he has this
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: voice that's just screaming in his head and it's driving
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: him nuts. Just, like, just tell someone that, you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: you lied about your kid and he's like, I can't
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, once you get to that point, there's
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: no turning back.
• 48:54
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: And I remember when we talked to Joshua, he was like,
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: he was, like, sort of equated it to the basic
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: thing that we all do. And I was like, he's
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: kind of got a point. Like, so many people have
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: been like, oh, I can't come in today. My grandmother died.
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: Or my father had a stroke. Or, like, he references
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: these other lies or little things that we make up
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: to get out of things. But you can't, like, that
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: one somehow crosses into something. such a dark place that
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: it's like not only can you not say that and
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: he does but then once you say that like it's
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: not like oh my grandmother died and everybody's like oh
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: okay well that happens but this one it's so dark
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: and so like personally affecting that everybody you know has
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: to adjust the way they behave around you, and everything
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: about his... Everybody is so nice. Yeah, everything about his
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: office changes from that moment on.
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: Oh, and the one guy who was.
• 49:49
  Speaker 14: I wonder where I remembered him from, but the one
• 49:52
  Speaker 14: guy at work was the cop that was tortured in
• 49:56
  Speaker 14: Reservoir Dogs.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: That was him.
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: That was him.
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: I did not even recognize him.
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: That was him. But the scene at the bar where
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: he's like... I took the heat for you.
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: And at the end, he's like, he's like, Evite's in
• 50:11
  Speaker 14: a memorial service?
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: He's like, no, I'm okay. I'm okay.
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: It's like, he needs to be comforted about this. It's
• 50:20
  Speaker 14: just messed him up so bad.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: That's why, to me, it is a comedy, because it's
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: not ha-ha comedy. how funny and awkward life is. You know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: it's like, that really would happen.
• 50:33
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: The lady would bring you a quiche and what, you know, what, what.
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: And I admired that scene so much because I do
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: think it was a comedy. And I think that first
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: scene was so hilarious. And then the scene where he's
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: at his soul-crushing job. The ketchup. I don't know if you... Yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 11: it's like, good drip, bad drip, bad drip. And then
• 50:52
  Speaker 11: good drip.
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: And then when he finally.
• 50:53
  Speaker 11: It's like, best drip so far! It's like, exclamation point,
• 50:57
  Speaker 11: exclamation point. That was the best. He got so excited
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: when something actually worked out.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Was it all the same drip?
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: It was all pretty much the same drip. But that
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: scene where she brings the quiche over, it was so restrained. Like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: that easily could have gone into Farrelly Brothers territory, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: it could have dragged on and on and gotten more absurd. And, like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: they kind of did the appropriate amount of uncomfortably, awesomely funny,
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: I don't understand what you're doing, and you don't understand
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: what I'm doing. And then we walk away. And, like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: it never went over the top. It was always sort
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: of consistent.
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: That acting was just so... Yeah, it did, yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 14: Fine-tuned and and jess you know i had met her
• 51:38
  Speaker 14: already before i saw this movie and then i saw
• 51:40
  Speaker 14: the movie and i'm like holy yeah uh because.
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: The scene where she listens to his song.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: It's amazing you had mentioned that before and i mentioned
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: it to her i was like that i had high.
• 51:55
  Speaker 14: Expectations and even the second time still with high expectations
• 52:00
  Speaker 14: and That's just such a great scene.
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: I've been there.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: It's really uncomfortable.
• 52:06
  Speaker 9: Is it a soul crusher, would you say?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I love the reveal later on when he says, I'm
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: using it.
• 52:12
  Speaker 9: And she goes, yeah, your music sucks.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: It doesn't even fit into this conversation.
• 52:23
  Speaker 11: She's amazing at the reaction shot generally because that seems
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: so fantastic. And then the scene where he's caught in
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: the lie and he's still going and she's giving him
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: the Claire Huxtable look like, don't you dare.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I know what you're doing right now. she doesn't even
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: say anything. Yeah, yeah. You can tell everything that she's thinking.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, but that scene, for me, like, I felt like
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: the movie at that point, it had all been very naturalistic,
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: and the acting was just very, like, this is real life,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: the scenes play out, felt like in just painful real time,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: and at that point, I was like, at this moment,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: where she asked for the bag of money, like, this
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: could turn into, like, like, Danny DeVito, like, dark comedy, like,
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: it could have been this, like, free fall of mischief,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: where they're on the run, like, with this money, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: they're like, and she just immediately, like, She's not mad.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: She's like, I don't care as long as we have money.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. I just felt like.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: I was like, can this movie go just batshit crazy
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: for the last 30 minutes or so?
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: But I like how it stayed... It kept that naturalistic tone.
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: There is a mounting tension when something's working so well.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: The silence goes on for so long.
• 53:24
  Speaker 14: You think, how are they going to mess it up?
• 53:26
  Speaker 14: You know it's like you were saying. How does a
• 53:29
  Speaker 14: good movie ever get made? Because by that point.
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: so many things could be so wrong.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 14: It's like now they have to keep walking across that
• 53:39
  Speaker 14: tightrope to get to the end.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 53:42
  Speaker 14: And I love the moment when she kicks him out.
• 53:46
  Speaker 14: And he goes outside and stands outside the door.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: For a while.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: There's nothing else to do.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what's he going to do? And then he goes
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: back in.
• 53:58
  Speaker 14: To me, that's utterly believable. I've been fired from a job.
• 54:02
  Speaker 14: and gone home, and had lunch, and went back.
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: And it was never brought up again.
• 54:09
  Speaker 15: Oh, wow.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: I've done that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the scene that made me the most
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: uncomfortable in the whole movie, and I don't even know why,
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: is the part where she's, like, crying, and she's telling
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: him that he's a good dad. That part made me
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: so uncomfortable.
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: That was, like, that whole last part.
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: I just wanted that scene to be over.
• 54:27
  Speaker 9: No, that last, I mean, the part where she just
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: looks at him is just... vicious but the part after
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: that that's the thing where they just sit down and
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: they have that like that's the part I'm most amazed
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: with especially this time I'm just like that is the
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: most realistic conversation like of anything that could happen in
• 54:45
  Speaker 9: that scenario it would be really easy for it to
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: go horribly like off the rails and stupid and yet
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: they found a way to ground it and it really
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: stays like a real conversation.
• 54:55
  Speaker 12: And I'm not I'm not putting this on you at
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: all at all because I'm the asshole here but you've
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: made choices that I don't understand and I feel like
• 55:19
  Speaker 12: I'm stuck I'm stuck in some fucking college dream because
• 55:33
  Speaker 12: I haven't had time to figure out what I, what
• 55:37
  Speaker 12: I want or, or I just haven't, I haven't had
• 55:40
  Speaker 12: time and I'm not, I'm not bitching.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: It's what a man should do.
• 55:45
  Speaker 12: It's, it's what a man should be is be able
• 55:47
  Speaker 12: to take care of his wife and his child. And that's,
• 55:51
  Speaker 12: that's what I want to be able to do for
• 55:53
  Speaker 12: you guys. I want to be able to do that
• 55:55
  Speaker 12: so bad, but like, I don't know what I care
• 55:58
  Speaker 12: about anymore.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: What made that confrontation like so good was that like
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: it represented how like in real life those moments where
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: you're like getting really dramatic and like regular people aren't
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: you know used to that kind of drama all the
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: time in their lives like it's not the movies so
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: like when that does happen when you do have like
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: a like a life changing argument like that you're just
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: like oh well I'm supposed to do like in the
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: movies where I kick him out and I just stare
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: at him in silence and then she's like wait no
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: come back in we have to you know be adults
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: and talk about this And that's just that self-consciousness. It's awkward,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: and it came through really well.
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: What was so amazing was the way it didn't... I mean, again,
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: he makes a huge, stupid mistake. But right off the bat,
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: it doesn't become all about her just yelling at him.
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: There's this other underlying problem going on in their relationship.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: And as soon as he mentions her.
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: You see this look, again, her ridiculously expressive face. You
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: see this look come over her face of suddenly she
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: blames herself, not even for what he did, but just
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: for all of it. Again, she's that kind of person,
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: and you watch it in that reaction of all of
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: a sudden, from that point on, it's not about you're stupid,
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: you did this wrong thing. It's something's not right here,
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: and it's a problem with our relationship, not this lie
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: that you told. It becomes more about them as a
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: couple than his stupid actions.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I think she, you know, cause I, she makes that
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: transition of, I'm not going back to this. And I think, um,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I was more aware of this time of by the
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: time she's had her afternoon with tank, she's changed, you know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: because she had the weekend where they went to the, um,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: where they went camping. And, you know, at first I thought,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: why was that even in the movie? Why, why, why
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: would they, why does it show that?
• 57:49
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It shows their closeness and everything. And that he's carrying
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: this lie. But you almost needed that. Because if they
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: didn't have that... This is how perfect our life could be.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: And what we used to be. She would have kicked
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: him out. And it would have just been over. So
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: this kind of gives you something to cling back to.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: And I think she had already made her decision about...
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I'm changing my life. While she was with Tensh. That afternoon.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: She was like, I'm done. I've changed.
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: And I.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I really liked when she comes in and it's right
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: before the reveal. And you know it's coming. You know
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: that because he's hiding the monies. You know this is
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: the time in the movie where everything's going to be
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: coming to an end. And he looks at her and
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: he says, your face looks fantastic. And it's a joke.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: It's a joke, but it's... But at the same time.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Is, okay, that may be, yes, it's a joke and
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: a Facebook thing, but at the same time, Maybe she's
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: also carrying– maybe she's changed. Maybe she's not going to
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: be the person she was before too. And maybe that's
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: reading way too much into that. But it seemed to
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: be handled a lot better than, yuck, yuck, your face
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: looks great. Because they didn't give you that second to
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: laugh about it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: I think they do that really well too. on two ends.
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: It's like number one is I think even in the beginning.
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: I think early on you can see. And again, this
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: is a credit to both of them acting wise. And
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: I noticed even Josh more this time too. It's like
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: you totally buy them as a couple. And not only
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: as a couple that used to be in love and
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: now it's falling apart. there's still love there. And you,
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: and for that to come through in this short amount
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: of time, it's like, that's an amazing performance and amazing
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: writing to just put in those key moments that are like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: it definitely comes through that you see, they still really
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: love each other. Things have gotten way out of what
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: they wanted them to be, but that's still that core
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: relationship still there. And then what you were saying with
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: the camping, I also think we need not only the camping,
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: but that moment with him and the baby on the
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: floor and, And the moment of him and the baby
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: in the park, we need those or we would hate him. Like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: after what he says, you know, it's like, it's such
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: a horrible thing. And it would be really easy, especially
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: in a lesser movie, I think it would be really
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: easy to just write him off from that point on.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: And because you see, she's right, he's a good father.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: It's like, you know, it's like you see him not
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: only being a good dad, but genuinely loving this baby.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: And he didn't say it. out of anything else other
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: than it's just a stupid thought that came out of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: his head but you still see that it's not like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: it's something he was you know wishing for like this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: baby is what's making them you know have this horrible
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: life it you know because you could almost construe that
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: if that's what you wanted to you know take it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: in a different in a different script and i think
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: they do a really good job of making it where
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: you save you know this character so that he's not
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: so dark that you just immediately hate him because you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 9: need to not be able to hate him later in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: the story.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, in the instant where he, like, lies to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: his boss and tells him that the baby is dead,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 10: I know that is, that's definitely taboo to, like, use
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: your child, like, the sickness or especially the death of
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: your child as an excuse, but his boss was just
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: such a dick.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: Like, what would you do?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: I mean, he was, like, yelling at him, you know, like,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 10: I don't know. I mean, if my boss was yelling
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 10: at me like that, I don't know what I would say.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 11: It seems more like a reaction to shame his boss, too.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: You're going to be this insensitive?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: Well, how about this?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: The kid's dead.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: Now what are you going to say? I think that's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: a lot of... It was almost like a knee-jerk reaction.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 12: Like, oh yeah?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: Watch this. Which is why it makes it so stupid
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: that he blurted it out.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 15: And then.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: Like, the movie, to me, it just felt so short. Like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: I don't know what was the runtime of it. I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: didn't bother to look, but it just felt so, like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 10: it was over.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: It is 1.21. Yeah. It's just above feature length, but
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: in a way, I think that's to its credit. I think, again,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: watching it this time, I'm like, it makes it so tight,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: what it does. It's like nothing is wasted. And I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: realize that within, again, I've given it more credit as
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: a director this time around because... The shot of, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 9: the waitress, I think, isn't just there because it's funny.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: It's also, we're watching her. He skipped out on his job.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: We're watching her at her job. She went there that day.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: This is her grind every day dealing with it. And, yeah,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: it's like we're seeing the other side with her. And
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: that's just a minute, but it plays into the grand picture.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: Same thing with that couple in the grocery.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: They're not just there for no reason. It's like he's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: watching that relationship with what they used to have. Everything
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 9: that's in there is so perfectly planted.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 10: Every scene is so essential, and you almost don't even
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: realize it until the end. Like the couple that they're
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: friends with at first, that they're having dinner with, and
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 10: it's just like, you know, you wouldn't really, I don't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 10: think you could really understand how that fits into the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 10: picture of things until the end.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: It's a movie form like an American short story. which
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: I've been rooting for.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 14: I think it ought to evolve for our limited attention
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 14: spans that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: They make these potent little short movies.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 14: And they used to do, I've seen some that were,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 14: there was a series, American Short Stories, and they would
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 14: film them and make little movies. There was one called
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 14: A Vintage Thunderbird that I've never been able to find again,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 14: but it was a great, tight little movie. And so
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 14: I was already rooting for that and I kind of thought,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: you know, maybe I'm overrating the movie because I just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 14: like that approach so much and I'm, I'm wanting it to,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 14: to happen to offset what the other big form is,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 14: you know, is the Sopranos, the big panoramic.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: Uh, HBO series or something like that.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 14: But, uh, I love short stories, but I don't really
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 14: read them anymore.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: So I want movies to fill that void and to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: have that kind of quality. That's what movies are for, man.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 14: It was based on a T.C.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: Boyle story.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 14: And the story itself is kind of remarkable because it's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 14: kind of like old 70s metafiction. It's like one of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 14: those stories that's about fiction. like, you know, but it's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 14: also got this, like, really positive spin, and it's also
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 14: like the short stories that came sometime after that were, like,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 14: trying to get away from metafiction and experimental fiction and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 14: were more focused, you know, like Raymond Carver's stories that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 14: were more domestic drama and very immediate.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: And so it's kind of both.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 14: It's very immediate and And yet, it's kind of like, uh,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 14: why are we, what does fiction do for us in
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 14: our lives? And it sort of uproots them enough to, like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 14: act and live more deliberately.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: Which is a really nice way to look at fiction.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: It's not the only thing.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: It can do.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: But, uh, it reminds me of the movie, um, The
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: Return of Martin Aguirre.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 14: A French movie, um, with Gerard Depardieu, because French movies
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 14: have to have him.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's in the French roles, I believe.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 14: It's a great movie, and it's like the Simpsons episode
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 14: when they find out Principal Skinner isn't really.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: Who he says he is.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 14: Because, like, off in the war, he comes back and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 14: takes over the life of somebody else. And that's what
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 14: happens in The Return of Martin Guare. That's the Summers meme.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: Didn't they remake it?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah, they remade it as Summer's Bee and I never
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 14: watched that. Because that was when they were making all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 14: my favorite foreign films into The Vanishing and.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: You Probably Wouldn't Like Me. They still do that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 14: But they asked the writers of The Simpsons if it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: was based on The Return of Martin Guerrero and they
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 14: said no, it was based on a Borghese story.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: But it's the same thing. A guy goes off to war.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: He comes back to his wife and he's a different guy.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 8: Uh, but the cool thing is, uh, it, it said,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: I think it's like in the 1300s. And, uh, he
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: teaches her to.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 14: Write because there's this whole thing about like, somebody says
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 14: nothing but wickedness.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: Ever comes from reading and writing. And, uh, And she
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: signs her name with an X. But in the trial
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: that comes up, she says, no, I can write my name.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: And she goes up. But they still hang him. Spoiler alert.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: Spoiler alert.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 14: But when he's on trial, she says she can look
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 14: at his face and see that he's saying, save yourself,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 14: her and the baby.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: And it's kind of like that.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 14: It's like a movie that's about, you know, why is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 14: fiction a good thing if we presume that it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: Is i think again you're you're looking for like those
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: kind of stories and and you can get those occasionally
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: in indie film i mean it's about the only way
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: not not always again they're making so many indie films
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 9: now that sometimes what used to be the only the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: good stuff got made but now they're making so many
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: because it's so cheap now that there's a lot of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: stuff coming through that's not quite up to par but
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: i think that's the only like way that you could
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: do this and Again, I think that's what separates this,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: the way that they went about it. Because you guys
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: have brought up two different versions of how they could
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: have gone super mainstream with it. And I was trying
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 9: to think of what something sort of similar has been.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: And I was thinking like last year, that movie The Dilemma,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: when it was like they were caught in this situation
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: where I saw my best friend's wife cheating with another guy.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 9: And then do I tell... But again, I haven't even
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: watched that movie. All I saw was the trailer. And
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: they fell down 14 times in the trailer. It became
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: a big, goofy, slapstick kind of thing.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 15: And this.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: I mean, if you just threw this script at somebody else,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 9: it could very easily fall into that of ridiculous scenarios
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: of lies spinning out of control and ridiculous physical comedy
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: coming into play.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: If you weren't... Let's call it Jim Carrey.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: If you cast Kevin James in it. And it's like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: you could really... And again, I think that's what I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: was so impressed with this time, is watching how much
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 9: they pull that back and how realistic they keep it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, you really don't feel like anything that goes
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 9: on in this couldn't take place in somebody you know's life.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: It's all pretty real world.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: I think for it to be like more Hollywood style
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: it would have to have I mean the end of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 10: it was realistic and it was sweet and you could
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: tell like everything's going to be fun and they're going
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: to work out but there would be more like running
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 10: towards each other with their arms open if it were
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: like a Hollywood movie I would.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: Have to end in an airport on top of.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: The Empire State Building In a warehouse after they killed
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: all the bad guys.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: It's a different genre, but all right.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of restraint in it, and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: it feels real because of that. I think because life.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: Is.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's important. Life and death.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: You know, everything is such a big deal, but really
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: essentially nothing happens nobody is hurt by this other than
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: the people that give him money but nothing nothing really
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: happened other than attitude people reactions you know coming back
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: and saying you know i screwed up you know but
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: so much about their lives changed you know there's some
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: films where 40 people die in the film and the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: main character is not changed at all.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah by the end it's just wrap it up there's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: no development at all whereas nothing happens in this basically
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: and their lives are monumentously changed.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I like that, that it does feel more real. Otherwise,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: you could have made this Hollywood and all kinds of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: things could have happened.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that's what's so interesting about a movie,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: especially that it's entitled The Lie. It's not really about
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: the lie. But what all goes on is not... Well,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: that's the thing. It's like it's not that... lie that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: he tells is not it's just the catalyst for everything
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: else that takes place and and sort of it's really
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: i mean the whole movie really is about growing up
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 9: and like and having to deal with not only who
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: you are but who you've become compared to who you
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: thought you were going to be and that's a really
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 9: big thing you know that that's a big thing and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 9: that's most of what this movie becomes by the end
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: of it and it has nothing to do with the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: lie he told it's just what spirals things off into
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: that and it's it's him sort of dealing with that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: and then you realize she's dealing with that too and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: they won't tell each other that they're going through this
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: and that i guess is the secondary lie is is
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 9: not being honest with your you know your husband or
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: wife or whoever's in your life that you aren't happy with.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: Um okay.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 21: I was like am i gonna do this am i
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 21: not gonna do this Yes, no, yes, okay. One of
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 21: my professors at school recommended me for a job.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: Are you serious?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 10: That's awesome.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 16: My final writing requirement was chosen to be published in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 16: a kind of prestigious health law journal. It was legal
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 16: issues relating to AIDS. And he gave it to the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 16: policy and government relations staff over at Masser. They know
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 16: they have a strange public image, so they want to
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 16: get more AIDS research dollars there.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: Masser Drug Company?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 10: But the thing is, is they.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: When were you going to tell me?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 10: I'm telling you now. Look, I wasn't sure when the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: right occasion was, and it happened very fast.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 13: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: Clover, you're going to work for Masser?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: Master has no interest in curing AIDS.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: They want to keep pushing their drugs on people.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: This is blowing me the fuck away right now.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: This is really weird.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: No, it's not.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 12: Strange for you to be telling us this, don't you think?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 16: No, because I just went for my second interview where
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 16: they talked to me about it and I was like.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: Oh, I'm going to talk to him.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Didn't hear about that first interview.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: We're talking 401k.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 16: Life insurance the best medical benefits that money can buy.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Right yeah cool.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: Sell your soul for some money.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: Sounds like it could be.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: Great i i agree i think it's great right honey.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah i think it's really great yeah thank you this
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: is so strange if you knew her.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: If you knew her, you would understand how strange this is.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the lie that both of their lives
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: have become. And while you would think that sounds like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: just a depressing movie, if it were made by any
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: other indie director, like, I don't know, Darren Aronofsky or someone,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: the viewpoint would have been just so dark and there
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: would have been no signs of humor or hope, really,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: at all. But I like that it made it a
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: point to, like, show you, you know, the humorous bits
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: or the positive things. Like, the shots of the baby
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: were really hopeful. Like, it kind of, it was essential. Like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: the scene where they're asleep and the baby's in between
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: just kind of looking around. Like, it's just so innocent.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: The baby was great.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: The baby's pretty impressive.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: And, like, the fact that the movie took so much
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: time to, like, have those close-ups on the baby, like,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: it just gave this feeling of hope.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I think that was just really crucial. It kind of.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: Made the movie stand out.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: Because just, like, indie movies.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: Today are just so, just, like, dark and, like, I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: don't know, just depressing, and there's just no, it's just like, yeah,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: I guess, you know, real life is tough and everything,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: but you're just like, it's like made from the viewpoint
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: of someone who's just like, dark thoughts, dark thoughts, like, hopelessness,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: it's just, and this was kind of like a nice, like, breath.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Of fresh air.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 10: I feel like, almost like the, the whole, I'm miserable
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 10: in my life, and I have no idea where I'm going, that, like,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 10: that's almost a genre in itself, like, that's such.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: A common theme, especially in indie movies, you.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 10: Know, like, Tiny furniture.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: Even, what's the Miranda July movie about the cat? What
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 10: is that called?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 15: The Future.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 10: You know, movies where people are like, we're kind of unhappy.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: I don't know what we're doing with our lives. It's
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 10: a pretty common theme in indie movies. But this one
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 10: was a little bit different just because it ended differently.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: It was more positive. I like them.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: I did want to at least throw it out there
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: because I know I took it from a very specific
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: perspective and I think We all kind of have that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: level of like, what the hell's happened to me? I
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: think we all do that. But it's a very specific
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: thing that he's dealing with. And I know we have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: at least two people here who have kids, and if
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: I'm not mistaken, have taken jobs that they don't like.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: And I think so much of this is not just
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: the dealing with who you've become, but also that day-to-day
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: grind of I hate what I have to do, but
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: it's that putting, you know, prioritizing. It's like, but I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: have to take care of my kids. I have to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: take care of my family. And that's what you do.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: You know, it's like, I got to be, I got
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: to be a dad. I got to be a man
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: and take care of my family kind of idea. But it's,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: it gets to a point where it's really hard. So
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: I don't know. What, what were your thoughts on that?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 10: Well, Greg even said, like, as she was taking our
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 10: names and what we did for living in our religion group,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: what was it that you said? I don't really.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like to identify myself by what I do.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: How many hours a day? Way more than you should
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: work in a week. Because none of that is who
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like I am. I go in, I do
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: the job. I wouldn't do it if I weren't paid
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: for it. That's for sure. Whereas there's a lot of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: other jobs that I've had, I would gladly still do
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: them even not being paid for them. This feels more
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: like just doing this is more what I went to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: school for, what I feel comfortable at, who I am.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'd hate to think for him, my
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: music sucks, but if you need somebody to tell you that,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: you need somebody to tell you. I don't know.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: I think a lot of people live their life like that.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: More than probably want to admit to themselves, and more
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: than I think a lot of people realize how many
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: people are kind of miserable in their day-to-day existence, and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: it really just kind of looks at that in this
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: one little window. It doesn't dwell on it, but you
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: just see him dealing with going to work, and the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 9: waitress dealing with being at work, and it's like just
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 9: those little moments of how much that is kind of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 9: a heavy thing to deal with, and they touch on it.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and that's a pretty common thing, but I think
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 14: His job didn't seem really terrible. He was doing video editing, and,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 14: you know, there are, like, little bitchy things that come
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 14: up during the day that were kind.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: Of office space-like. Oh, we had to go back and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: fix that for you? Okay.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: But I think the thing is, like, when she's contemplating
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 14: taking this job with the evil Empire... It just feels like.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: It's going in the wrong direction. And that's when it
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: really goes sour for him. I don't know. Doesn't seem
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: like a terrible gig.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 9: I think it's all perspective, though. I mean, usually when
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 9: you're in that situation, you feel like it's the worst
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: thing ever. And other people will look at your job
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: and be like, well, so? You want to know what
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: I do? I mean, everybody has that thought about themselves.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean, they had to edit that movie.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: And that had to be grueling.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 14: And, you know, it's like, well, how's editing this scene
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 14: with the baby?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: Brutal.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 9: Because it's his passion.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: You have to do the work.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: It's his passion. It depends on, what you're into.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: And the guy was in Blair Witch Project. They shot
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 8: 19 hours of film for that movie.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Editing was just... Practically got frostbite.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Did she love that? Yeah, and the other thing.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 14: That reminds me about Blair Witch, because he was the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 14: guy who wandered off and disappeared.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 12: Josh!
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was that guy.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 14: But I really liked that movie, and one of the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 14: things that struck me about it.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: Was the actual horror. Like, I kept thinking, how are
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: they going to mess this up? Because it's a horror movie.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: They're going to mess it up. How are they going
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: to mess it up? But I love the ending.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 14: The final image of horror was the map guy standing
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 14: in the corner. Because that asks the question, what kind
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 14: of supernatural force of authority can tell somebody to stand
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 14: in the corner while somebody else is being killed?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: And that....
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 14: And it's like that absurd force that keeps people going
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 14: to their futile jobs. And I just thought it was
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 14: so poetic. I thought it was a really smart movie.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is the Blair Witch made him a video editor.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 9: That's what happened to him. We never did see what
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 9: happened to John.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 14: He probably had to edit the video. Because, you know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 14: at the end, it's all edited somehow.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: Did they just shoot it that way? No, Josh had
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: to survive.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 14: Find it, edit it, and then leave it.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: For the others.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: Go on to make this movie.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: The flaw of found footage.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: Josh. I think they.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 10: Did a really good job of, you know, it's like,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: there were certain things about him that were so douchey.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: So douchey.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 10: But in the end, he wasn't really a douche. And
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: I think that was amazing. That took a lot of work.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: And that's weird because it's him on every angle. It's
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: like he wrote the screenplay. He's directing it. And he's
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: acting in it. So it's really like you'd think he'd
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: make himself look great. But he went out of his
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: way to make himself almost unlikable at times.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: The part where I was just like, okay, maybe I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: do hate this guy. It's when they're in bed and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 10: they're like, after he'd made her dinner... And they show
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: his back, and he has that tattoo that goes down
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 10: his spine. I was just like, oh, God.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 14: Were those, like, Mandarin characters in the form of a spine?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: I think it was letters.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: Letters?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: And then the part where he's in the place that
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: sells medical marijuana, and he's like, and, you know, maybe
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: you can, like, paint... And you can be inspired by
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: the music that we're playing. And I can be inspired
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 10: by your paintings. I was just like, oh.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: No, again, that moment was so good. Because, again, it
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: touches on all these different things. Because it captures that
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: moment when he's in a relationship, but he's kind of
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: having this connection with a girl. And he's midway in,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: and he's just doing what he does naturally. And all
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: of a sudden he goes, oh. I'm not supposed to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: be having this moment with a girl. I'm married and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: have a baby. I should mention that right now. He
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: just sort of blurts out. He just comes to that.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: You don't even see it coming. And then it just
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: smacks him in the face. Oh, this would be going
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 9: in a totally different direction if I weren't married. But
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: I'm married and have a baby. I'm going out of town.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: I really like that moment because you can see how
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 11: much he's enjoying the fantasy of it. But then as
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 11: soon as it becomes a potential reality, when she's like, okay,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 11: when are we doing this thing? He's like, eh, sometime.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 9: How about this weekend?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 11: Absolutely not. I have a kid, by the way.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: And you see why his musical career is the way
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 9: it is. It's like you see him and his brother
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 9: haven't recorded in years, but he still identifies himself as, oh,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 9: I'm in a band. That's his career is music, not
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: him editing all day long. His career, he still tells himself.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: It's music, but, I mean, they haven't recorded anything in
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: years until that wonderful song we get. But, yeah, then
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 9: you see with her, it's like she's immediate, and she
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: actually does want to make plans and do something, and
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 9: he doesn't know how to deal with that. He's just like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: I just, I'm all talk. I just, I don't actually
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: do anything.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: You know, even from the scene, as a director, to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: put yourself in it, he's so awkward and unlikable in
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: that first scene.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: The medical marijuana?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that he's... He starts the movie out with a lie.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: All he does is tell her lies, just trying to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: get this prescription. And you're like, this guy tells horrible lies.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: He's uncomfortable. We know what he wants. The doctor knows
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: what he wants, and he won't just come out and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: say it. And, you know, that takes, I don't know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: it takes a lot for a director. Everybody's got a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: certain amount of pride. to say, I'm just going, kind
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: of like a Woody Allen kind of thing, I think,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: that I'm going to put myself out here, and I'm
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: going to expose every bad part of myself, and it
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: may not be him, but there's still some part of
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: him that's in there, and he's willing to do that,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: put that out there, and be that jerk of a
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: character in those moments, and has the guts to do it.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 14: That's true, but his hair always looks fantastic. And the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 14: whole movie has a kind of Instagram coloration. I think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 14: it predates that actual phenomenon. But I like how they
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 14: have the little clips of their.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: The little road trip things?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 14: Yeah, their life together. You get sort of family picture sense.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 14: And they play out... Probably some of it was improvised
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 14: because they just speak so naturally with each other.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 8: And I think that's also the way he works a
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: lot of times. Or at least coming off Blair Witch.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 14: It has that same natural conversation kind of thing.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: But in a way, his character in Blair Witch, he
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: was a very mellow... I can't remember.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: I just remember him kind of yelling a lot. But
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: before that, he was a real mellow.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 8: Kind of person.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, he was really straightforward. Whenever
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: they were arguing, he was like, Look, you're tired.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: I'm tired.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: This is stupid.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: And I'm just thinking, like, in this character, he's just
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: such a sweet guy. And he's so, like, caged. Like,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: he would never, you know, he'd be too embarrassed to, like,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: outwardly tell someone, like, what he thinks. You know, it
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: was just, I thought just from watching Blair Witch, like,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: this guy, oh, yeah, the guy who was in that movie,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: he must be a jerk in real life.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, he's just a really good actor.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 8: He is really good, I think. He's really good.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 14: And there was, Jess is not the only Kentucky person
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 14: in the movie.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 11: Weirdest cameo ever. I was wondering about that. As Allison.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what does she say?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 15: I don't remember.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: I think she's in the video clip.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 8: She's in it so briefly. In the commercial, isn't she?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 8: Is that her?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 11: No, her character is the babysitter in East L.A. Oh,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 11: the one that he goes, yeah. And she answers the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 11: door and is like, here you go, Allison. Thank you
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 11: so much for whatever. And then kisses her and then
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 11: is like, over.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 14: And that's the point where you're watching the movie and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 14: you're guessing, what's the lot?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: He's having an affair?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 15: No.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, there was the Governor Schwarzenegger thing.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 10: Is this the Arnold Schwarzenegger story?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 11: Did he address that or explain what that cameo was about?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 14: Well, and then there was also the guy from Trash
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 14: was the waitress at the diner.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: Holly Woodlawn.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 9: I think it's just calling in people he knows, I guess.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 14: Holly Woodlawn was like one of the old Andy Warhol
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 14: factory people and was in Trash and then like does
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 14: sort of a drag show and was also the Holly
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 14: mentioned in the Lou Reed song.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 8: Walk on the Wild Side.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 9: Sounds about right.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: That was The Waitress.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 9: But, I mean, there's all those little cameos. I mean, Seven. Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: She's great.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 9: That came out of nowhere right at the end.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: And I loved the line, I love Portland. I met
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: an owl there once. Oh, that was beautiful. And she said,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: you really put me on the right path or something
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: like that. Because you met an owl? Well, you met me.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: What's that got to do with.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 18: You know?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: You know, Go ahead. I love that line.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: It's a great scene all around.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry. I feel like I bring up Bridesmaids every
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 10: time Lucy's around, but it made me think of the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 10: scene of Bridesmaids where she's like, I met a dolphin
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 10: down there.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 10: Did you think of that? I don't know why.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 9: I think those are the moments when it definitely full-on
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: is a comedy, and maybe it's just because I'm laughing
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 9: more at the weird hippie lifestyle. But I think there's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: some truth to it, and they show that with the brother...
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 9: is really the wise character of the bunch. Like, he's
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: the one that kind of sees where they're going wrong.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: He kind of, like, he's putting, definitely with his brother,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: he's trying to point him down the right path. He's
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 9: just like, yeah, I'm like this, but you can't be
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: like this anymore. You know, you've made your choice. You
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 9: have a child now. You have a family. You have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: to take care of it. But then they definitely want
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 9: to poke fun at, you know, the biodegradable diapers and,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: you know, like, they have so many, like, Just sort
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: of poking fun at all their weird, like, hippie lifestyle
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: things that... Can we.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 11: Oh, sorry.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 9: Go ahead.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 11: No, I was just going to say, can we address
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 11: the Tank character? Because he has his own lie.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: Because I feel like I'm Tank. I'm the guy. Like,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 11: that's the path I've chosen. I live in the RV
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 11: down by the ocean. I'm not having kids, and that's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 11: what I do.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: That's my recording studio in your.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 22: Bathroom yeah i felt like i couldn't understand like the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 22: choice to lie about her presence was that just him
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 22: not wanting to acknowledge that he was actually moving into
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 22: an adult relationship that's.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's heading towards where his brother is,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: and he doesn't want to admit it to himself more
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: than anybody.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I love the scene where he's like, well, there
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 14: is a woman's underwear on the floor.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: I'm just, I don't know. I don't know how it
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: got there.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: No, my favorite with him is, you guys never call
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: before you come over.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And they do that shot of the RV, and.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 9: He's like, you don't have a phone.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: I'll call you. I'll call you.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: That's the best moment.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: And he tells her, you know, you really need to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: stop stopping by with that unnoticed. And she goes, I've
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: not been here forever. And you're like, well, for the future.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: You know, like, future reference. Yeah, he's a good character.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: He's a lot of fun.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 14: Yeah, he's kind of like a Kramer-esque sort of foil
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 14: because he has this great idea, too.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: But it turns out.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: It's actually good.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what's so funny is that, you know, the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: comment is like, your face looks nice.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, there might be something to this. And
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: then the line with Seven, I really like that she,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: he hands her the bag of money. I don't know
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: if she realizes that it's a bag of money or not,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: but then she goes, yeah, I bought him some avocados.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: And he goes, oh, that's nice. You know, like, you know,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: it's just so, you know, She's such a pure character,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: I think, in that one little snippet that you see
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: of her. And that she is interested in the wife
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: and the kid and that she takes time to stop
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: and notice and say hi to them. I don't know.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: It was a fun character to just throw in there
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: at the end.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 9: And it's very promising for the brother, too.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: Well, I liked how Tank won't feed his brother.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 8: But she comes over and he's like, Hey, you want
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: to try this?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: The brother is like, yeah, can I taste it? What
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: is it? No, I need this.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 9: I need all that.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: I need all that.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 10: I like how at first, you know, with the Volkswagen
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 10: bus that was parked next to it, he kind of,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 10: he didn't want to admit there was anyone there at all.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 10: And then you don't really realize until the end that
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 10: it's more of like a serious thing. It's not just
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 10: like there's just some random girl coming over. But it's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 10: just interesting because it's just like you have no idea
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 10: how long that relationship's been going on.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 10: No one just accidentally leaves underwear at someone's house if
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 10: it's a one-night stand. If you have a girlfriend, she
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 10: might leave things, but you know.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 9: That's what I think is funny watching him, because yeah,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 9: it's all in his mind. It's like he really is
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 9: in that situation already, and he just won't admit it.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: It's like admitting it to his brother or his family
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: is making it real. So he's still sort of pushing
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 9: it off. If nobody else knows, then it never really happens.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and those kinds of things, just the fact that
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: he has his.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 14: Own life going on, is what distinguishes him from that
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 14: character in a lesser movie or a lesser story, where
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 14: they're just basically standing on the sidelines of the main characters.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 14: And I think one of the worst examples is Moulin Rouge,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 14: where nobody gives a damn about their own lives, they're
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 14: just revolving around the central character's It's so stagey.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 9: It's a pretty stagey movie.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 8: It's meant to be stagey.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 14: But still, I don't think they had Saturday Night Specials
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 14: at that time for 1952 Smith Corollas.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 18: I don't know.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 9: You and your thinking.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: But they did have Elton John. I looked that one up.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 8: Elton John was around.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 9: He's eternal. He's that old.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: It's pretty amazing.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: But no, the opening dinner scene I thought did a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: really good job because it established that going back to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: the lie and the two main characters like their lie,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: already they're in conflict when they argue in front of
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: their friends and that makes it even more awkward. then
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: when you know he asked for you know the ten
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars or whatever like you know the couple they
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: can handle that like no no it's fine we get
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: all the time it's no big deal you know and
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: they could have brushed off that off and it's it's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: not as awkward as you know you think it is
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: and because he's at peace so it's it's not as
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: bad for him i guess like his like you said
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: his lie comes later when he kind of gets into
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: a real relationship and like they're already in.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Their I guess they've already settled and they're in their
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: own lie already, if that makes sense. I don't know.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: I had a point there, but something about lies and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: the opening scene establishing the theme of the movie, but
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 14: Yeah, lies and transitions. Something along those lines. Do they
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 14: know what to make of that mirror scene?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: With the baby?
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Is that like a thing where if a baby sees
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: its reflection, it'll go to sleep or something?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what that was.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 14: I mean the mirror on the wall during the big
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 14: lie reveal scene that seems to have the saw teeth
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 14: along the edges.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: I didn't know.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 14: When we're watching her face and she's like, you know,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 14: what did you do? And he keeps, well, I'm explaining
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 14: to you, see what happened was. And then you're looking
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 14: at her face, and on the wall there's this bizarre mirror.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 9: I thought it was like a horse harness. Is it
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 9: like a yoke kind of deal that has been turned
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 9: into a mirror? That's what it looked like to me.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 9: Usually that's what you end up doing is looking at
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: the room and picking out your favorite furniture item.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 8: They had a nice place.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 9: Which, again, is so weird. It's like they came off
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: as these hippie kids. And it is like it's something
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: weird that sort of happened in society. It's like you
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: had this whole hippie culture in the 70s. And by
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 9: the 90s, all those same ideals became yuppies. And they
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 9: were just paying a lot more for everything. But it's
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 9: like they carried over this weird breed of like that
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 9: same type of character, only... They wore business suits, and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 9: they went to work in an office, but they still
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: had these same ideals and bought the biodegradable diapers. It
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 9: just became a lot more pricey to do it.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 8: I liked when he asked the baby, do you want
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: some mango chutney?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: As if he'd be like, yes, please.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 9: Well, who doesn't?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: I loved also his first instinct when he gets the
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: bag of money. is to take it to the backyard
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: and bury it. Like it's a body. Like, okay, I've
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: created something so brave that it's like the death, you know,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: you're talking about death, you're dealing with death, and I've
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: got to actually bury this lie in order to get
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: past it.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 9: But I like that he immediately changes it. Because, once again,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 9: showing his character, like, he constantly makes a rash decision
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 9: and realizes, well, that's stupid. It's like every step he makes,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 9: he does that.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: He goes from hiding it to evaluating it by counting
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: it out. You know, that's just, I mean, you know...
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: But I just love that. I'm going to hide the problem.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to get rid of it like it's
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: a dead body.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: And it'll all be okay. We're at that blood simple moment.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: We're just like, okay, I'm in too deep.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: Well, is there anything else overall we want to hit
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 9: on this one?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: Great movie.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: That was a really good movie.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: What about our friend Jess?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 15: Jess.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: Jess? I mean, we have adopted her as a member
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: of the show now. Whether she likes it or not,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: I don't know. But again, just you... How can you
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 9: watch this and not kind of fall in love with
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: her a little bit? She's amazing. Like, just the character
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: that she is. Again, not even having met her, watching
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 9: it that first time, and you get sucked into the
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 9: way that she reacts to everything. I mean, she's just
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 9: amazingly expressive as an actress.
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  Speaker 10: And her name is Clover in the movie.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 9: Clover, yeah. Again, hippie kids.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, I mean... You could almost gauge a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 10: backstory from everybody in the movie, just because, you know, even, like,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 10: the girl who brings the quiche over, just by the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: way she dresses, she's, like, almost memorable in a way.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 10: At least to me, because I like her outfits.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 9: But, like.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: I don't remember the outfit.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 15: I remember.
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  Speaker 8: It was kind of prim, wasn't it?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 10: She had, like, a little neck bow. But, you know,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 10: you can almost, like, gauge a backstory from people. And
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 10: I thought it was interesting that even though they seem
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 10: kind of like these hippie people, she made this choice
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 10: to go through law school. Yeah. Which is interesting.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 9: It's very weird.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: Well, people do that.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 9: Like martial arts.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 10: I was going to say that.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 9: And probably went into it with that intent of like, oh,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 9: I'm going to fight for the right side and I'm
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 9: going to make a difference. And then instead gets lured
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 9: over to the wrong side in her mind.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 11: I like how she sleeps in her crass t-shirt but
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 11: then wears her pantsuits to work.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: And I just realized pretty much every single character in
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: this movie is redeemed. Like, even the annoying co-workers here
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: are like, oh, those are terrible people. I would hate
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: them too. They all get their chance to be nice.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: You get to see that deep down. They're all good people.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 9: The boss comes off so great after. He's the nicest
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 9: man in the world all of a sudden.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 18: This is so awkward.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: He does that nice gesture, he's walking out the door,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: and he's just like, oh.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 9: He touches his face after he hugs him, like he
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden is the sweetest man ever, but yeah,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 9: he's such a jerk. The entire first half.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 15: Of the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone is telling a lie. Every single, even the waitress
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: is not who she is, you know.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 12: Literally.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, literally. And so, yeah, every, and when it's revealed,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: you know, when you tear away the lie, the real
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: person is much better than what they were projecting.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: You're talking about the waitress still?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about everyone else. Or maybe she was
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: who she is. I don't know.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 14: I loved the waitress before I had any idea who
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 14: the actor was.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 8: That was such a great scene.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 14: Because I felt the same thing you did, because she's
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 14: hearing him tell this story about going into work, and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 14: I'm at home, and I have to deal with stuff.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 14: And she knows he's sitting there at a diner, but
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 14: she's like.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: She's like, eh, it's another day at work for me. Well,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 9: I think, again, watching it this time, I think I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 9: noticed more of just as... movie overall and again looking
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 9: at more what what josh does and he he's a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 9: lot more of a solid director like again i don't
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: i really kind of looked at it from that angle
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 9: and it's like he doesn't do anything showy ever it's
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 9: a very straightforward delivery but it's solid it's like you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 9: get some good shots along the way that shot of
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: him walking down the hallway in the beginning when he's
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 9: going to work is kind of an interest it's just
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 9: well lit and put together and those shots of the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: The Winnebago out on the beach. It's like he takes
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 9: his time on those because it's a good shot.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: That was good.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: That kind of wide shot of the Winnebago because most
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: of the shots in the movie are kind of like close-ups.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: You know, you don't really get a sense of where
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: they are, but it's focusing on the emotions of the characters. But,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: you know, when we get to the RV, it's like,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: you know, it's suddenly, oh, landscapes.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: You know, he's free. Like, you know, this guy is...
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: He's fine with his life. He's free with himself. He's
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: not boxed in.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 9: And it shows them what a different movie it is
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: when they go camping, when they're not in their house,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 9: but when they're probably the way they were when they
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 9: first met. You see that in the relationship. They become
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 9: a lot more comfortable around each other and a lot
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 9: more relaxed because it's kind of reminding them the way
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 9: they used to be. And I think he shows that.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 9: in that surroundings, and again, just in the way that
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 9: it's written. So, again, I have a lot more respect
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 9: for him going into it this time, and I want
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 9: to see what else he ends up doing. Because I
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 9: know he still does acting on the side for, you know, whatever,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 9: but I'm way more interested in seeing what he does
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 9: as far as writing and directing from this point.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 10: I just, you know, like, I think most people do this,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 10: especially when they're young, and I think it's probably dependent
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 10: on how you're raised. But you grow up thinking that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 10: your success and happiness in life is dependent on what
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 10: you do and what you have. And it's kind of
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 10: interesting for these people to come to the realization at
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 10: the end of the movie that they were happier with less.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: They were happier when they didn't have the 401k and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 10: the health insurance. Things that everyone pretty much works for.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 9: That's probably one of my favorite lines in the movie
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 9: is that right in the middle of that the most
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: intense scene in the movie when by the end, he says,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: we're allowed to change things, right? And it's just that
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 9: realization of, you know, you're not locked into it. You
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: can make changes. Granted, when you get into that situation,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 9: it's damn near impossible to change everything, but it's still
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 9: something you can do. Again, especially if you're honest with
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 9: the other person and you're not, like, lying to yourself
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 9: and to the rest of your family. So, I mean, again,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 9: it is that realization of the character of, like, we
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: can do whatever we want to do. We've just been
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: lying to ourselves that we're trapped in this situation. You're
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 9: not ever really trapped. You can go off and do,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: you just have to put up with the consequences if
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: you go off and do whatever.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 15: But yeah.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: And that's something that like I can relate to knowing
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: that like, if you think that you're just trapped by
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: your daily routine and there's no getting out of it
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: and you finally, you know, you find like maybe like
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: say a camping trip where, you know, a change of
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: scenery or like being somewhere else, just you can, you
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: find like, Oh, I'm.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: I'm myself again.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: And like, I can relax and, you know, it's, I'm not,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: I'm making this worse than, you know, than it really is.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: And it's just, it's all about, you know, realizing, oh,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I can change my situation.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can't necessarily make everything perfect, but you're
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: not as trapped.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: As you think.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: You have to realize what is more important to you. Like,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 9: like with them, it's like, do we want to have
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: this security or do we want to, you know, you
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 9: want to be impressed with what we have or what
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 9: we're doing with ourselves. And I think that's what both
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 9: of them were like, I hate what I'm doing because
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: I would be happier if I didn't have money, but
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: I could just do something that I actually cared about.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 9: And that's something a lot of people probably need to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 9: come to terms with.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: I feel the last few scenes towards the end were
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: almost like a commentary on modern parenting. You know, it's
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 10: just like the scene where he's like, do we want
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: to be happy?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: He's like, is it healthy.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 10: To raise her in an environment where we're unhappy? You know,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: because it's like. You could be blissfully happy and live
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 10: in a tent and be wonderful parents and everyone's going
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 10: to judge you because you don't have, you're not stable,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 10: you don't have health insurance. I mean, health is insurance.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: It would be nice, but.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 10: But, you know, it's just like, what's worse?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, again, that kid could turn out great living in
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 9: a tent versus growing up tormented in this house where
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 9: you're living with two miserable people your entire life. It's... Yeah,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's something to be said for both sides.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: And it kind of makes that presentation really well.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: And he took his deer ant with him.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: Of course.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: All the things in that house to take.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 10: I thought it was interesting the few possessions that they picked.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: A chair.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: A rocking chair and a deer head. That's how ready
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 9: they were to just get out and.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: Be done with it.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: That's how you know they were very natural. It's a
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 9: fake deer antler.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 10: I was thinking about what I would save if my
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 10: house was on fire, and I was looking around, and
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 10: I was like, I'd have to save those deer antlers.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 10: I literally thought that. I was like, my son's last collection,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: I'd probably throw it out the door. I need that.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 15: After my dog.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 9: So does that round out this movie?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 8: It does.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 9: It's impressive. Looking at it, I was trying to think
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 9: of what else you could do with it, and I
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 9: think for what it is and for what it's trying
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 9: to do, I really couldn't come up with anything else
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: you could do. I mean, you could expand upon it,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 9: but expanding anything could throw off the focus and the timing.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 9: And I think for what it's trying to do, it's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 9: pretty damn impressive.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: The baby's terrific.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 9: That final shot is genius.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: No, I've never seen a bad performance by a baby
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: in a movie. That has yet to happen.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 9: That's a lot of editing.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: That baby was terrible.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: Some idiot sitting in a room editing is what that is.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: I'm interested to see what else that baby.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: Is going to do.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 10: You know who's the best baby.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: Actor I've ever seen? She had a quality kind of
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 8: like Betty White.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 11: She had that strange birthmark. I'm wondering if that's going
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 11: to affect her career later.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: They.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: He's got that tattoo on his spine in Mandarin. I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: wonder if that was real. It says, please don't tell
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: this guy what we wrote on his spine.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 9: I thought it said, like, live free or die or something. Yeah,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 9: I thought that's what it said.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: It's pretty cute. You start having headlines like, babies to watch,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: Like in Hollywood. So-and-so baby's making the rounds.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 9: Sexist baby alive. That's what it's called.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: The baby indie queen of this year.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 10: Seriously, the baby in Raising Hope. That baby can face
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 10: act like no baby I've ever seen.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 10: I was watching an episode earlier. It was called Killer Hope.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 10: And they're worried that she's going to be a serial
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 10: killer because her mom's a serial killer. And every time
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 10: they look at her, she's like.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 10: And she's a toddler. There's no way you could tell
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 10: a toddler to make that face.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying. That final shot in this one
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 9: is amazing. Because it gives it that.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 9: These are my parents it's the best.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 23: I can do he's got that what the hell look
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 23: I think I have seen that look on your kids
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 23: face it's kind of like that though it's just like
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 23: look this is what I got I'm dealing with the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 23: best I can look at my parents so it's pretty impressive.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: Kids being smarter my son six is usually the genius
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: of the family because he comes up with the right
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: perspective but a friend of mine was telling about His
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: dog passed away, and he's alone now and living alone. And,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: you know, the dog was with him for 12 years.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: And he said he sometimes still hears the collar or
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: he'll hear the dog's feet go across the kitchen or
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: something like that, you know, when he's lying in bed.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: And my son just, you know, in this tender, quiet
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: moment that, you know, a person that normally doesn't reveal
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: themselves revealed himself. My son goes, maybe it's just your head.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: You know, like, we didn't even think he was... paying
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: attention and then he says this and like no thanks
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: thanks for putting me in my place maybe you're just
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: crazy weirdo why not call my friend crazy last night
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: that was a wonderful moment yeah the kids they do
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: they look at you like yeah I don't know what
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: to do with them they're just my.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 9: Parents what else can you do yeah alright that rounds
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  Speaker 9: out do you have anything else for us Probably.
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  Speaker 8: Later, but.
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  Speaker 10: I've very much enjoyed watching you guys and.
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  Speaker 9: Listening to all this.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 9: We're sorry.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: We've got one listener.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 9: Does it count if you're live, though?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Is this our first, like, live audience?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: Oh, we'll work on that.
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  Speaker 3: Does it count if you're locked in?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think that is about it, so... Thanks again
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 9: to Nancy's for letting us loiter around in here, and...
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  Speaker 18: Be sure it's true when you say I love you
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 18: it's a sin to tell.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: A lie Millions of hearts have been.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 18: Broken Just because these words were.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Spoken I love you, yes I do, I love you
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: If you break my heart, I'll die So be sure
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: it's true When you say I love you It's a
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: sin to tell a lie.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: Be sure it's true when you say, I love you, honey.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: Because you got sense enough to know it's a sin
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: to tell a lie. Whole lot of folks' hearts has
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 7: done been broken just over a whole lot of foolish
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 7: words that's spoken.
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 18: Yes, I do.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: I love you.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 14: If you break my heart, I'll die.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: So be sure it's true when you say I love you.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: It's a sin.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 19: To tell a lie.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 14: I save them sometimes because I know I'll have a
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 14: stretch of time.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 8: And it's like, oh, then I can really.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 10: Do you go back and listen to these?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 14: Yes, I do listen to these. Yeah, because I'm not
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 14: at every one. I even listen to the ones I'm at. Because,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 14: you know, I always, after I say anything, like right now,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 14: as soon as I finish the sentence, I'm going to think,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 14: I probably just said something really stupid. You know, and
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 14: I listen to them again, and I think, oh, that
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 14: didn't sound so terrible.
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  Speaker 8: That's okay.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 10: That's a good reaction.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 13: You know what the other one would be like, oh,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 13: my gosh, I can't believe I said that.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: So that's a good reaction to have. It is. So
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 8: every now and then I have it. Sometimes I actually
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 8: do say stupid things.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 9: I make notes of those times. Minute 47, Fred said
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 9: something stupid.
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