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Bills vs Rams NFL DFS Showdown | MNF Week 5 Showdown Shippers | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go.
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  Speaker 2: Clear to lift off.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamblyn here, a.k.a. Toe Tagging Tambo,
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  Speaker 3: back for another edition of Showdown Shippers here on the
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  Speaker 1: The way in.
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  Speaker 3: Got hoop, got title, and we got a good game
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  Speaker 3: for Monday Night Football. Week five still rolling on. If
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  Speaker 3: you didn't win yesterday, there's still time today. 500K up
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  Speaker 3: top over on DraftKings, 100K up top on FanDuel. We've
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  Speaker 3: got the Bills at the Rams and hoop. Wasn't on
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  Speaker 3: the main slate yesterday. We had that Detroit-Arizona game. Title, you, Rio,
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  Speaker 3: all within the top 17 in the Millie Maker. We
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  Speaker 3: just reviewed on the takedown breakdown. A lot of success
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  Speaker 3: for the community at Ship It Nation. But how you doing,
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  Speaker 3: my friend? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, doing well. Some close calls early on in the season.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's going to get there eventually. And Rio had second
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  Speaker 1: place in the Big Millie a couple weeks back. I
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  Speaker 1: think I was in ninth or tenth yesterday title was
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  Speaker 1: up there Rio was up there again someone's gonna someone's
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  Speaker 1: gonna complete it and get to the finish line for
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  Speaker 1: sure a lot of good calls a lot of members
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  Speaker 1: having success like I mean yesterday showed just definitely got
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  Speaker 1: to give you guys credit you know because we we
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  Speaker 1: talked through this late we were trying to find spots
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  Speaker 1: outside of Detroit Arizona and both your main spots kind
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  Speaker 1: of needed you know title you were all over the
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  Speaker 1: Patriot stuff, unfortunately for me, Romeo Dobbs was.
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  Speaker 2: Not a part of that.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, Drake May went off, that offense went off,
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  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, and then Tambo on the Packers stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: you needed some combination of those guys, the Patriots, the Packers,
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  Speaker 1: and then, you know, Jameer Gibbs and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys were all over it. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: love doing those shows. I always talk about it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going into that. show Sunday morning with my
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  Speaker 1: mind completely made up on what I'm doing. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: always making changes based on what you guys say, what
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  Speaker 1: we come up with together. And I changed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my stuff yesterday after the show. And thankfully I
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  Speaker 1: did because I got on to more Packers and I
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  Speaker 1: got on to more of the Patriots stuff and it's
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  Speaker 1: what you needed. So, you know, it's just a lesson
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  Speaker 1: in don't think you know everything. Be open minded, be
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  Speaker 1: willing to adjust, be willing to change. Not only DFS, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but in all aspects of life, but for this, it
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  Speaker 1: only matters for DFS. I always come to the show open-minded.
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  Speaker 1: I changed my stuff and it worked out well yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and I hope others did as well. And yeah, we've
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  Speaker 1: got one more game on the slate and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good one for sure. I said
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  Speaker 3: on the takedown breakdowns, the English language is so crazy
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  Speaker 3: that close and close are exactly the same on paper.
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  Speaker 3: We've done a very good job of getting close. We
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  Speaker 3: got to do a better job of getting the close, right?
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  Speaker 3: Finalizing that thing and getting to the top. But like
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  Speaker 3: you said, entitle yourself. Another run at it yesterday, you
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  Speaker 3: had the recent close call on FanDuel in the big
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  Speaker 3: one as well. Fifth place, I think it was there.
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  Speaker 3: So we've all been hovering in our spots. We're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get to the finish line completely and get the
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  Speaker 3: absolute one. ultimate shipper but what's going on my friend
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  Speaker 3: big game tonight to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah um yeah close is uh is fun but it's
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  Speaker 4: i mean you know what you sign up for it's
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  Speaker 4: a very top heavy if you don't want to play
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  Speaker 4: that there's plenty of single entries out there shout out
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  Speaker 4: to ship it i forget how we finished it ship
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  Speaker 4: ship it now yeah he definitely did ship it now
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  Speaker 4: 15 big ones look listen to the drake may stuff
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  Speaker 4: put in pop douglas i mean props to you and
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  Speaker 4: uh it was a hard click it was cheap though
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  Speaker 4: i mean tambo was talking about it on here and
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  Speaker 4: it definitely paid off handsomely so it was good football.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the two weeks ago, the week prior, I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was just awful football. Now what is still
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  Speaker 4: awful is these coaches and not only just the coaches,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Jaden Daniels too, and his press conference and
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  Speaker 4: all that, dude, it doesn't matter if the coach doesn't,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you have to situational awareness. That was one
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  Speaker 4: of the most horrible, horrible things I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Not even taking the full accountability. Like I can guarantee
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  Speaker 4: a seventh grade quarterback at a random school could let
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  Speaker 4: you know how many timeouts and how much time's on
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  Speaker 4: the clock.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah, some of these.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was absolutely horrible. I get like people
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  Speaker 1: want to bury the coach and probably rightfully so. But
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  Speaker 1: things are going to change as the place goes on.
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  Speaker 1: Like and as a quarterback, you have to know that situation.
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  Speaker 1: An NFL quarterback like I'm pretty sure like eighth grade
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  Speaker 1: football teams would be able to figure out that scenario.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing was absolutely insane to watch and.
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  Speaker 1: Like if I am part of that organization, high ops,
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  Speaker 1: someone's ass is rolling for that. Like someone has to,
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  Speaker 1: like that's inexcusable in the NFL. Like somebody needs to
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  Speaker 1: roll in that scenario. That is horrible.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it happens. And, but it's obviously always the coach, right?
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to, but Jaden Daniels should take some accountability.
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  Speaker 3: Like you said, for the fact of even running that
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  Speaker 3: or knowing you got to know that stuff. Somebody said
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  Speaker 3: it to earlier, the, uh, the London game had this
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  Speaker 3: in the morning, but I will say that cam little
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  Speaker 3: walk-off was pretty incredible. You don't get those two off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The kick, but his, I'm talking about his walk-off presence
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  Speaker 3: of doing like, he did like almost like the McGregor,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm the man. They held him up. He stares
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  Speaker 3: right at the camera, doesn't even smile. I was like, man,
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  Speaker 3: that's pretty sweet. Tyler Huntley, Snoop, last night, I was
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  Speaker 3: worried about Lamar jumping around on that ankle. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: just chill, man. I know you're pumping your boy, but
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  Speaker 3: you're supposed to be coming back sooner than later. And
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  Speaker 3: this is amazing to get that win, the Derrick Henry
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  Speaker 3: run in off the end. Like that, again, Atlanta, I
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  Speaker 3: thought they could have done more there, but I'm happy
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  Speaker 3: as a Ravens fan. But we got to really- I just.
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  Speaker 4: Want to say, how is Sirianni still have a job, though?
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  Speaker 4: That is like two times in three weeks that you
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  Speaker 4: just make the most boneheaded. Another thing is we didn't
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  Speaker 4: even talk about it was the Thursday night, which when
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  Speaker 4: they when they went for it on fourth and one.
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  Speaker 4: at the goal line instead of going up three scores.
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  Speaker 4: And I did see, I did see that analytic, which
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  Speaker 4: was crazy to me. I'm a big analytics guy for sure.
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  Speaker 4: And I guess they said it was pretty close. I
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  Speaker 4: still cannot wrap my head around. I think whoever's analytics
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  Speaker 4: model that is might need to figure some out.
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  Speaker 1: That coach is another fucking absolute moron. That guy's an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: And like, if the roles were reversed, he would have
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  Speaker 1: done it the wrong way. The opposite, the other way too.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's just an idiot. Like that is just, There
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  Speaker 1: was barely a few minutes left to kick the field goal.
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  Speaker 2: It was eight minutes. You're up 14.
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  Speaker 4: That means you have to recover an onside kick the
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  Speaker 4: other team.
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  Speaker 2: They got lucky. They got bailed out.
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  Speaker 4: Ferguson caught it with his helmet and bounced up. Every
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  Speaker 4: single week, I've been scratching my head over here.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy yeah it's gonna be good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean great game just from a entertainment standpoint
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  Speaker 1: the rams two teams that you know if you said
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  Speaker 1: like okay i'd I could see these two teams in
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Like, that's legit. I mean, both these
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  Speaker 1: teams are very good, and they have all the superstars,
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  Speaker 1: and most of them are healthy. You know, we're waiting
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  Speaker 1: on one piece of news. DJ Moore did practice a
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  Speaker 1: little bit at the end of the week, but that's
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: pretty important for the slate for sure. I mean, because
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  Speaker 1: if he is out, I mean, there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: some guys on that Buffalo side that will get pretty
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  Speaker 1: big boosts, so we'll talk about it as we go.
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  Speaker 1: But that's really the only big important news that we're
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  Speaker 1: waiting on. For this slate, he's listed as questionable. I'd
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  Speaker 1: assume we'd probably get something before inactive. We'll see. But
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  Speaker 1: there really hasn't been much leading up to this point.
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  Speaker 1: But you got the guys, the Josh Allens, the Pukas,
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  Speaker 1: Devontae Adams, Williams, Kyron Williams on the Rams side. So
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  Speaker 1: many different guys that could potentially go off. So the
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  Speaker 1: important conversation today is definitely what you do at the
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  Speaker 1: captain position because you know Josh Allen's going to get
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  Speaker 1: the ownership. We know puka is going to get the
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  Speaker 1: ownership and josh allen slates it's hard to make a
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  Speaker 1: case to to fade him if you're building a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of teams like obviously he's a little different if you're
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  Speaker 1: hand building or just building like three teams or something
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  Speaker 1: like that but if you're building a portfolio of teams
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  Speaker 1: 20 150, whatever it may be, like just excluding him
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  Speaker 1: in the captain spot is very tough because he can
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely go off and nuke the slate. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we know the guys in this game. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the talking point really is, you know, what do you
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  Speaker 1: do at captain? And that's kind of what we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into first here. But really not too much more to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. We know these teams. There's no secrets when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the Rams and the Bills.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll bring this one up quick just because J-Pabs,
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  Speaker 3: we definitely go through all the, we're going to go
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  Speaker 3: through captain, position by position. I should have mentioned this
• 10:42
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• 10:51
  Speaker 3: we will talk about leverage captains. I think there's some
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  Speaker 3: big conversations around the captain today, especially with Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 3: And there is the 4444 Mega that I know some
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  Speaker 3: people in the community have tickets to tonight. The big,
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: it's like 600 people or 500 people. It's much smaller
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  Speaker 3: than usual, but you can win a million bucks. in
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  Speaker 3: showdown tonight so something to think about there as well
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  Speaker 3: but title anything you want to add to what hoop
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  Speaker 3: just brought up and then we can get right into
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  Speaker 3: the captains from there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah not really i think it's like like hoop said
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  Speaker 4: i mean we're i'm the same way as hoop when
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  Speaker 4: i come into that sunday show like i haven't built
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  Speaker 4: my teams i'm on all ears and i'm open to
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  Speaker 4: stuff and today is definitely a day i'm open to
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  Speaker 4: stuff i mean i think you can make a case
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  Speaker 4: legit for like eight captains on this slate and we
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  Speaker 4: do have uh cheap players as well like a stone
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  Speaker 4: minimum 200 guys that are in play like a skylar
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  Speaker 4: bell Um, this is injury news with DJ Moore.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't build until we get that news.
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  Speaker 4: That's definitely going to be pretty important, but like you
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  Speaker 4: want to jam studs on the slate. Puka, one of
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  Speaker 4: the best receivers, Josh Allen, the best quarterback. Kyron's had
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  Speaker 4: a great role. Devante, you name it. We do have
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  Speaker 4: value to make all that stuff work. Um, so yeah, I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely curious who you guys take at the captain's spot.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's difficult, can go a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 4: And my plan right now is being more spread out.
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  Speaker 4: Like yesterday I had like 84% B Jeanette captain. Obviously
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  Speaker 4: I got dusted, but I don't see myself, um, I'm
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  Speaker 4: being condensed today. I think I'll be spreading it out
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  Speaker 4: and just trying to play better lineups than other people
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  Speaker 4: and not just make huge stands with my percentages to
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  Speaker 4: the field is my plan right now.
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  Speaker 3: And I like that, too. And we'll get to how
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  Speaker 3: you do that and what that looks like on this slate.
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  Speaker 3: I'll start it off, Hoop, and then I'll kick it
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  Speaker 3: to you after. I'll just say this. Right out of
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  Speaker 3: the gates, one of the things that stands out the most,
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  Speaker 3: we know that Josh Allen is going to be popular.
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  Speaker 3: We know that Puka is going to be popular. And
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  Speaker 3: that's 17-7 and 17-1. But why is that? It's pretty
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  Speaker 3: easy to understand and see it as from a slate
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  Speaker 3: dynamics perspective when you have you know, Colby Parkinson and
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  Speaker 3: Skylar Bell and all these other cheap options, Dawson Knox
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  Speaker 3: and different things that people can feel very comfortable going
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  Speaker 3: to Palmer out. So then there's even some mid range guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that are Higby's 4,400 or a Coleman on
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  Speaker 3: the Palmer side is, is 5,600. So you've got where
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: there's injuries and things like that. There's already cheaper guys.
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  Speaker 3: They allow you to boost that up and make that happen.
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  Speaker 3: So we just had this conversation on takedown breakdown about
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  Speaker 3: the gentee news on classic slate. I'm going to apply
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  Speaker 3: it here. It's like if Mike Washington Jr. was in,
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  Speaker 3: if Jenty was out, better way to put it, and
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  Speaker 3: we got $ 4, 200 Mike Washington Jr., you would have had
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  Speaker 3: way more lineups than we already did of Detroit, Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Because it now made it even easier to stack them up.
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  Speaker 3: Now you could have got to maybe Amon Ra instead
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  Speaker 3: of J-Mo or Gibbs instead of Amon Ra in some build.
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  Speaker 3: People would have just got to those over stacks even more.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to be the news with
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  Speaker 3: DJ Moore, but like title said, we got to wait
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  Speaker 3: and see if he was somehow out here. I think
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  Speaker 3: you then see Josh Allen and Puka go even higher
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  Speaker 3: than they currently are because now you, those other guys
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  Speaker 3: become even more in play, but already hoop, you've got comments,
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  Speaker 3: you know, looking at the news here on the Skylar
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  Speaker 3: Moore stuff that are so sorry, Skylar Moore, Skylar Bell
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  Speaker 3: stuff that people are all excited about. You know, Joe Brady,
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  Speaker 3: the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be up, you know, with what he said. Also,
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  Speaker 3: it was good because earlier in the week, he's taking
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  Speaker 3: DJ Moore's plays in practice because DJ Moore has been
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  Speaker 3: dealing with the injury. So he's already getting acclimated with
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen. He's made the most out of his opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: These are going to be his plays now. And then
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  Speaker 3: on top of that, Josh Palmer's out. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Skylar Bell's 200 bucks, but he immediately flips the bill
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  Speaker 3: to get, I mean, it doesn't flip the bill, but
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's up there and a bunch of studs with him.
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  Speaker 3: So it's twofold for me and I'll kick it to
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  Speaker 3: you is it's going to be popular captains with guys
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  Speaker 3: like him and others. Even if it's not him, you
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  Speaker 3: could say Parkinson or those guys. But also I think
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  Speaker 3: people are going to look to play cheap captains too,
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to flip it that way. So where
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and live for my captain stuff
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: and to what titled said, I'm probably going to be
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: under on the big boys and try and live more
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: to those middle tiers because not only do you get
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: mid-range builds, let's use a guy like Shakir, right? You
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: got Shakir up top, Josh Allen, or whoever you choose
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: to use up top. It's going to do twofold, build
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: you a different construction, but also probably make it so
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: you might not need Knox, Higby, Bell, et cetera. So
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I might get to win both ways as opposed to
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: just one way or the other. So Hubak, kick it
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: to you to get your captain thoughts, but I just
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: want to note some of those things I'm seeing right
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: out of the gates early on.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's an open slate where you can
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: really make the case for a lot of different paths,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of different things to do. You can definitely
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: make the case to go super consolidated and kind of
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: lock in on a smaller number of guys. You can
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: make the case to spread out. You can make the
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: case for mid-tier because this could be one of those
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: slates where four or five guys score 20 to 25
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: fantasy points and you need them in there and you
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: just need a cheaper captain. So I think you can
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: make the case for a lot of different things, but
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think you just
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: got to pick your lane and go with it. And
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I'm probably going to have a different lane than you
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: guys have, where I'm just going to go more consolidated
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: up top. And in a game with a, what's the
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: total 55 in this one, 55 and a half, a
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: big total two offenses that can absolutely roll. We've seen
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: scoring continuously increase. You know, it seems like in the NFL,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: these recent weeks, I'm going heavy, Josh Allen, I'm going
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: heavy Pooka. For sure. And I know they're going to
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: be the highest zone, but I can get overweight. It's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: not about fading highest zone guys. If you're making a
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: play on them, make a play on them, get way overweight.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: So I want to be way over on Allen. I
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: want to get way over on Puka. Now I'm going
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: to have to make some cuts. Guys, I'm willing to
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: cut and not play up top. Matthew Stafford, I'm fine
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: just not playing Matthew Stafford. If it's Matthew Stafford captain night,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: then it's not going to be me. On FanDuel, it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit different. The quarterbacks have an advantage, so
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: probably have some of them there. But on DK... I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: can live with cutting Matthew Stafford knowing that if Stafford
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: usually has a good game, that means either Puka goes
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: off or Devontae Adams goes off. So I'm going to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: probably be out on Stafford. I'll be in on Devontae.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And then like Kyron Williams is the other guy that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I want some of. So I guess really the way
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get overweight on those high-end guys by
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: probably cutting Stafford, shift some of that stuff, and then
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be out on a lot of these
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: mid-tier guys. So My guys are going to be Josh Allen, Puka, Kyron, Devontae.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Focus on those four. And then my last guy that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I'll add in will be Kincaid. I really like Kincaid.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: There's some good coach talk around him. And then he
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: would get a big boost, obviously, if DJ Moore's ruled out.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I like Kincaid either way. So I'll be on Kincaid.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Two really good games to start the year. They went
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: away from the last couple. And then there is a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: quote I saw. Maybe you can pull it up on
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the site there. There's something along the lines where it
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, we have to get back to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: getting Dalton Kincaid involved in this offense. And I'm going
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: to bank on that because the dude looked really, really
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: good the first couple of weeks. I think they make
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: an effort to get him involved. So don't really love
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the James Cook stuff up top. It's going to be,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: like I said, over on Josh Allen, over on Puka,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: going to have some Kyron Williams, going to have some Devante,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and then probably, some Kincaid as well so those are
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like the what is that five that I'm going.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: To be focused on yeah no that makes sense uh
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: title your thoughts at the captain.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Spot definitely Josh Allen definitely Puka um definitely Kyron Williams
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I mean one of the bigger surprises this year like
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: they it sounded like the Rams love Blake Corman the
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: offseason and we were.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Gonna see good though too that was another thing we
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: talked about early on he's looked good but Kyron has
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: just looked so much better.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, now it snapped him 70-13 last game.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's an alpha role, most likely to score
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: in this game at minus 160. When he does go off,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: what do we have? 12% Matthew Stafford would be done,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: 18% Puka done, 7% Devontae. He can slow the game
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: down a bit. So I think Kyron, I mean, you
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: could say the same thing for James Cook. A little
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: harder for me to do because of his price, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: he is still only 5% on there. I mean, if
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: you're looking at the stone right now, we have high captain,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: like good leverage on him. I'm not sure what I'm
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: going to do quite yet with James Cook. His role
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: has been a little more disappointing for me, like only
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: 59% of snaps last week, 67% the week prior. If
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: they do get down in this game, you will see
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: a good amount of Ty Johnson as the pass catching back.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: So I think when you do build James Cook captain teams,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I'm going to build it where Buffalo jumps out to
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a lead. And again, he does
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: leverage off Josh Allen. If James Cook is getting the
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: rushing touchdowns, It's not him. I get it game theory-wise.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: And again, I'm going to be more spread out, it
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: sounds like, than Hoop. But trying to make stands, it
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: would be no Stafford as much, not James Cook as much.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I love Puka, always do. Love Josh Allen, love Kyron.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Good with Devontae. Don't love him, don't hate him. And
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: then Kincaid, don't mind him. And I think my really
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: low-owned one is Keon Coleman, which people might be laughing
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: at and stuff. I mean, he's coming off a 26
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: point outing, seven targets. He converted six of them, 116
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: yards and a touchdown. He's actually looked good. And I
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: think he's the rapport with Josh Allen. I think Josh
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is starting to trust them more and more as he's
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: making plays and people aren't just, I mean, it's hard
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: to get there.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: 5,600.94%. We're looking at in the captain spot.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I almost want DJ more to be in because Keon
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Coleman's one of my spots in the flex and and
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: that captain that he's still on the field a bunch,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: and I think Josh is starting to trust him. So, yeah,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Keon's the one that way off the board play that,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, if he does what he did last week, again,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: that's a ceiling game, but you can get a lot different.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: You can leave money with him, and then easy to
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: play with Josh Allen in the flex, Puka in the flex.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You can jam the best plays around it for the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: most part.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the Coleman call. So you're willing to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: play him even if DJ Moore is in?
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I almost want him to because if he's out, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: think Keon gets– I think he gets the biggest probably
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: bump like Shakir, Keon, the ownership, the projections, everything skyrockets
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: on them.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Then the slate looks a little different. So I almost
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: want him in.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He's looked good this year. He's looked really good.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Well, one thing I'll say though, like maybe disagree slightly
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: is that like the, not factually, cause you're right. It
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: will go up, but I'm saying, I just don't know
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: how much it can, because if DJ Moore's.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: He's still going to be low on, even if DJ
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Moore's ruled out, he's still going to be a small
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: number up top. There's too many of those that are
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: going to get all the ownerships. I think either way,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't think there's any way
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: where the ownership skyrockets on Captain Keon Coleman.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean. And he wasn't saying that anyway.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: So I know you're right here. So I'm just like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I know you weren't saying that. I'm saying the good
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: news is for us, because I'm interested as well, is
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: it really, to me, I don't think it's going to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: go crazy anyway. So it's kind of like you can
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: get away with it. If more is in, it stays
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: in check for sure. Does it go up some? Yes,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: but it just can't go up enough. And part of
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: it is that balance I talked about earlier is because
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: now people can fit Josh Allen even easier and so
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: on and so like, just they'll want to move to that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I think Aside from this, so this is just a thing,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: but like James Cook, this example, this reminds me almost
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: of when we just saw Bucky go off. Totally different matchup.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It's just when people just like automatically rule it out
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: because of the situation. Definitely different when Josh Allen's your
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: quarterback versus, you know, Jalen Daniels night or whatever it
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: was that week. But my point being of like, it's just,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: if you're only thinking it can be Josh Allen and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you're thinking like, look, it's a three and a half
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: point spread matchup. it feels like people from a DFS
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: perspective are just using the plays on the Rams and
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: not as excited about these bills. The bills have a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: full squad outside of the DJ more news, which we'll
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: wait on that. I feel like they're fine. Palmer is
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: not someone I was highly considering anyway, but it's like,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: it's Josh Allen. James Cook, Shakir Coleman. We'll wait on
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: more bells, a cheapie Kincaid and Knox. Like they're, they
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: can spread it out too. So to me, I'm thinking
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: about it. If you're trying to leverage that, I'm leveraging
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: it the way we did it with the other night.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Remember Bucky's price was insane on fan duel. And we're like, yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: but at least if you're doing that, let's put them
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in the cat and let's put them in the MVP
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to maximize the output. If Josh Allen's not getting the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: tush pushes or not getting the, you know, the big
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: boy scoring, it could be from James Cook. So I
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: have interest in Cook. I have interest in Williams on
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the other side, both running backs in this game, because
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: it feels like people want everyone but them. And then
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Stafford as the quarterback at home here doesn't run, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the amount he spreads it out to these other guys,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I guess it's tricky when you got Nakua and Adams,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: like Hoops said, it's usually one of them having the
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: big game. But what was the guy, Mumfield, last game,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: late touchdown, like things like that. So I don't know.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It does feel like... a man in the middle with
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Stafford at 13, five only versus 17, seven or 17,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: one for Puka or Allen. And he is the opposite
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: quarterback of Allen. If Allen's going, hopefully it's because he's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: doing things to Stafford. And then it leverages the Nakua
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: stuff because instead of your receiver being up top, you're
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: flipping it. You could even go like Stafford, Adams Higby
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: or something like Stafford captain skip over Puka and do
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it that way. I think there's just a ton of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: ways to get unique up top, but I'm more than
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: likely going to be spreading it out and not trying
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: to get heavy on Josh Allen or Puka, just because
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like those are going to put you in a,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to get overweight if you're doing it,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: but I feel like that's going to put you in
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: more positions for similar lineups in at least two or
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: three spots. Still got two or you still got three
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: or four to get different, but it's, I'm going to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: be looking for the other builds and the different roster construction. So, Hoop,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: anything else you want to add at captain? If not,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you mentioned adding the Coleman stuff and waiting on that,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: but anything else you want to add at captain? If
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: not talk about quarterbacks in flex and how you're using them.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, not too much, you know, more to add
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: at the captain position, you know, DJ more news is,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: is big for that position and, you know, a lot
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of roster construction as well in terms of the quarterbacks.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not much more to say, Josh Allen,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: if you can get them in, get them in. I mean,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I can only, I can think, I can actually think
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of one, showdown slate in the last, I don't know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: X amount of years where Josh Allen put up an
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: absolute stinker. It was either Monday night or Thursday night.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But outside of that, he's just very likely to be
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in the optimal lineup. If you can get him in,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: get him in. And Matthew Stafford, cheap price, really, for
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a quarterback of his stature. I mean, 9K for Stafford
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: in the flex. I mean, great play if you can
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: obviously get him in there. And then if you're playing
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Puka captains or Devonta Adams captains, You know, he's a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: guy that you should probably have in the flex. So,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you know, two high scoring high upside high floor quarterbacks here.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I think two title, I'll let you go into it,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: but just from like both quarterbacks in the flex, if
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you're not, you know, any, basically anything you go to,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that's not them. You don't have to do this. I'm
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: just noting. If you have a receiver up top, you're probably,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, putting the quarterback with him more often than not.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: There's times like I've talked about a bunch where it's like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you have the receiver, the running back, and then four
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: guys on the other side or something like a two,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: four build. But if you're doing it, it's very affordable tonight.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: The minute you take Alan or Puka out of the captain.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So pretty much any other captain you could fit, uh,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: both quarterbacks. What's your thoughts on both quarterbacks when you're
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: splitting them up? What type of game styles you're looking at?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I think that we always say, like, let's look at
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: quarterback and flex and it almost becomes pointless if we
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: don't put a, you know, theory behind it or an
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: actual concept of how we might be using them.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's, I mean, the nice thing with Josh Allen
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: is pretty much any script he can get there because
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: he can run, he can throw it to so many
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: different guys. And the thing with Stafford today is the price.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Like Hoop said, 9K. I mean, that's why we're seeing
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: if he was priced closer, like in the 10K range,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Like this 13% captain, I think would be like five
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: or 6%. It's not everyone's favorite click to click a
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: non-running quarterback when it's, yeah, it's not, I mean, it's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: kind of condensed because Puka and Devante are so good,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: but they're rotating wide receiver threes. They run a lot
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: of tight ends that can catch the ball, but that
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: price tag with this projection does fit so well. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: think I prefer him more than the flex. I'm wanting,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I think because there's enough home run hitters up top,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: James Cook, Kyron, Puka, Devante, where I'm more willing to,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: than most slates to be underweight Josh Allen in the flex.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Because if any of them outscore him in a vacuum,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's how you eliminate so many dupes there
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: and you're able to save money. And it really comes
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: down to like the James Cook stuff. If Josh Allen
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: does fail or only scores 20 today instead of 30,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: which he has done the past couple of weeks, like
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: he hasn't hit his full ceiling. I think James Cook
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: would be a big reason why. So when I'm not
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: playing Josh Allen in the flex or captain, I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: James Cook becomes a lot or becomes a very elite
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: play that way. But yeah, I mean, unless you just
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: think they get blown out or something. And even then,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: he has garbage time opportunities. So you're really just not
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: playing them in the flex for ownership wise, but also
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: there's enough studs on the slate that can't outscore him
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: in a vacuum.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I will just say, yeah, too, from a roster construction point,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you just brought something up there. I don't think many
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: people are going with the 5-1s either way tonight, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: they both can do it, right? They both can get
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: there because if it is a condensed guy on one side,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: if it's just Josh Allen that's needed in the flex
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and then it is Matt Stafford spreading it out or something,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that could be possible, or just James Cook in the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: flex and it's them spreading it. It doesn't even just...
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not even because it's a blowout. It's because
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: one team just keeps it more connected. If you had
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Stafford and three guys that he's popping with and you
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: got one other play and then the popular guy from
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: the other side that's hitting, you could have that go
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: in your favor. I just don't think many people are
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: going to be building for that. The other thing about
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the flex quarterbacks and why I mentioned this earlier is like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: if you have Josh Allen in the captain and this, again,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: there's tons of ways to get different, leave money, find
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: loan guys in the flex, et cetera, et cetera. There's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: so many ways on this slate, especially with all the options.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: But we always talk about this in a hundred thousand
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: person lineup or sorry, a hundred thousand person tournament. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: he's 20% up top. Let's just use 20 and make
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: it easy. And you know, he's in 20,000 lineups. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: then bell is 8% or 9% or something. You expect
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: them to be together more often. You kind of know
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: what bucket you're putting yourself in. Just using that example.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: if you have a, 1% Keon Coleman up top and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: put Josh Allen with them. People there's not only is
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: there four spots to go and it's only a 1% cap.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: People say, yeah, but everyone's going to play Keon Coleman
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: has Josh Allen, right? It's the same four spots in both,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: but one of them almost pinpoints you to a similar
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: roster construction that you, you pretty much land in the
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: exact same spots. When you have the balance build, you
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: could have the cheapy, but leave 4,000. It still fits
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the story. You could just do so many things to
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: put yourself in a separation position and So I think
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that's where it becomes a little bit interesting to think
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: about with quarterback in the flex. And then the two fours,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: like I talked about earlier, where if you had say, uh, Puka, uh,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: up top and Williams in the flex, right? Kyron Williams
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: from the same team. And you end up having Allen
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: with three guys on the other side and they just
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: outdo the other guys. And Allen really crushes Stafford. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: then the kind of mediocre guys just do enough to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: beat each other or something. You might have a lineup
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: like that that wouldn't need Stafford in the flex. Surprisingly,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: it doesn't work as often as you think. If I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: had like Devante Adams up top, I would probably want
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Stafford because it's going to be more than likely two
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: goal line touchdowns or something. But when you have a
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: guy like Puka who can have 10 for 140 touchdowns,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and one or 10 for one 40 and zero and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: still be needed up top. It's not always case. We,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: we almost had it, um, or close to it, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: guess yesterday, actually with London up top Bijan in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: flex Huntley beat panics junior. Cause, and then the panics
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: junior injury late and all that stuff. Like, so it
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: was close to that. Didn't quite happen, but just noting it,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: there's ways like that and you can see it happen. So, Hoop,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I'll kick it back to you for running back, man.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Corum stuff. I looked it up. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: think it was as of last week this note came up.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: It said running back opportunities through four weeks, 75 for Williams,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: 37 for Blake Corum.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Corum, he's looked good, but Kyron
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: just looks so much better. It makes it difficult. The
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: one thing to me when looking at these running backs
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: is the price on James Cook like in the flex
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: at 10-6 if you're playing James Cook in the flex
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you're making some pretty big sacrifices ownership on him we're
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: showing 28 I think it's probably lower than that like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: we have Kyron at like 36 and James Cook at
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: 28 I think James Cook probably ends up in the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: low 20s in terms of ownership because you if you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: play him at 10-6 and let's say you are playing
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: some of those more expensive captains. Like it's hard. You're
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: immediately kind of strapped for cash. Just let's put this in.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So if you play a Puka captain and you want
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: James Cook in the flex, they are down to like five,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: five for the rest of your roster spot. So yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it's a tough, I definitely prefer, you know, Kyron over
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: James Cook, but I think the field is going to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: prefer that. I just probably won't end up having much
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: James Cook tonight, I guess is where I'm going with this.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to play Corum. I mean, he's $ 3, 800. Like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it's cheap. It's priced where one touchdown and you're good
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to go. I mean, he's probably on optimal if he
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: scores a touchdown at 38. And, you know, in the past, like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he's gotten entire drives where he just stays out there
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and they give him all the work. And, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the playing time has been down a little bit, but
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: he's at $ 3, 800. One TD is good to go. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I actually do like him because of the price tag
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and what I think we're going to need on the slate.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Ty Johnson at 3,200 I think is a fine option.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Kind of one of those guys that can get it
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: all in one drive. If they're a two-minute drill to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: end the half, he can pick up three catches and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised there. And that's probably about it. Just
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to rank these guys based on price, we'll go James Cook.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: No, no, sorry.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go Kyron Williams, then Blake Corum, then
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Ty Johnson, then James Cook fourth.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Just some questions in the chat and I'll give a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: couple of thoughts and then I'll kick it over to
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you title. This one says, wouldn't you prefer the quarterback?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Like this is my case for Stafford. If you're going
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: there again, is it ideal? Maybe not to some, I mean,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the stone still has it looking pretty good. So I'm
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: definitely interested in this. He does spread it out. There
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: is lineups, especially cause they have cheap options too. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: think people assume, well, it doesn't work well because the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: minute I put Stafford in and Puka, well, that's the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: mistake you're saying. Like you have to put Puka and
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: it's actually Puka might not be having the game. Cause
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you're not even putting them at the captain. So say
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it now out loud again. You're saying Puka's not good
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: enough to be captain. You want Stafford. You don't have
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to use him next. So you can drop down and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: have $ 2, 000 savings to Adams. And then it gets cheaper
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: after that, which means you can still get Josh Allen
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: on the other side and not have either of those
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: two at captain. Again, you have to look how the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: rest of the lineup goes, but very possible from that perspective. Um,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Alan to be paired again, we'll have to wait on
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the more news, but I do, I do still think
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: that just when Pete looks Skylar Bell is currently only
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: showing like 10%. It, we don't know where that number
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: goes yet based on the injury news on the slate, but, um,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it's safe to say that in the Skylar Bell flex lineups,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of Josh Allen up top because they
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: go together from correlation and it's what makes that work.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Don't know if you're asking Eric, so you can reiterate
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: in the chat, if you're saying like with no Stafford,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: cause that'd be different for sure. Like Puka up top
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: in the captain you're saying, and then Allen in the flex,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: but I'm sure it's still very easy to get to.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying about a Puka, like Puka Stafford.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Do you have it there?
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Hoop?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I don't, we don't need to share a screen, but
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: if you put Puka in the captain and then both
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the flex, how much money left over? I'm just,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't do the quick math.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Stafford at 4k per spot. So you're looking at,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you know what? But, I mean, it could end up
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: being a popular sort of build if you toss Bell
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: in there as well. So you've got the Bell at 200,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: then you're back up to 6K per spot. So, I mean,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Bell really doesn't throw a wrench into kind of projecting
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the route people go, but you're forced to do something
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like that if you play that sort of lineup, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's going to look pretty nice, let's say, and then
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you just throw in one kicker. Then you're back up
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to 7K range where you can play Shakir, Kincaid or
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: something like that. So, you know, having a $ 200 guy.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: definitely changes the way people are going to build lineups tonight.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Even if he doesn't, if even if he's not the
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: guy and you're, I think you nailed it there. It's
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: going to, he's going to probably be the guy in
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: that spot. And again, it gets crazier if more is
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: somehow out, but just noting it like Colby Parkinson is
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: still $ 2, 400 or whatever. There's, there is other options that
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: people can go to. What I would say is this, Eric,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: we just had this chat on the takedown breakdown. If
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: you have a ticket tonight and you want it, to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: each their own. I'm not right or wrong because no
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: one knows. I'm just giving my opinion, but I would
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: not play Puka or Josh Allen up top. I mean,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: you're just, you're playing what there's guys in there that
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: have the 24 lineups. They got you covered. And again,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: if you're getting really different with it, I should, sorry,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say that. If you're playing what you're talking about,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the Puka Allen Stafford lineup, I would not be playing that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: You're covered like 25, 50 to 50 times over. If
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: a min cash means that much to you, that's probably
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: your best shot or chopping it up huge. And I'll
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: be honest, most people that win those tickets didn't win
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: it playing all the chalk or playing the same style
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: as everyone else was. They played a $ 9 or a $ 37.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: They played aggressively because it was less than 50 bucks.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: They won the ticket and then they tighten up for
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the chance at a million dollars tonight. I would not
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: be doing that. So I would be looking to find
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: something a little bit different there. Just my opinion.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But one side note from yesterday, and I hope DraftKings
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: continues down this path of bumping these prices up a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: little bit. Jameer Gibbs, what was he in the Millie Maker? 26%, right?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: We looked it up.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was 26%. It was crazy.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That's what we need. We need the higher prices. It
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: makes it more fun when you've got to make sacrifices
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: in your lineup. If you played Gibbs, you had to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: make sacrifices. 26% on Gibbs yesterday. I was very surprised
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to see that when I opened up the slate yesterday.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Keep the price right there.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I think he should be $ 1K more, but if he's
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: only going to be 26% at that price, leave it there.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Better for the game. You don't want 40% owned studs
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I hope they continue down that path.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Are we playing Gibbs at $ 10, 500 still?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I would in that game environment.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: He should have scored another touchdown.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: The one thing you have been seeing a lot this
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: year is you can ship or get close to ship
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: with Three in your lineup. The guy that won the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Millie a few weeks ago, didn't he have Dobbins in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: there for like three points?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Even yesterday, I think Trey Harris was in one of them.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Antonio Williams was in one of them.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I love stuff like that. That's what you want. You
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: know the pricing solid when you have that sort of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: stuff going on.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Double tight end.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Double tight end is a prime as they're not fixing
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: that price either though. I said it yesterday and I'll
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: say it again here. They, I don't know why I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: still follow underdog for all the other shit they put out,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: but they did post it today. And I said it
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: yesterday is like Brock Bowers is JSN for $ 7, 000. He
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: has more receiving yards and everything in three games than
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: some of the biggest names in the game at wide
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: receiver that have played all the games. It's like, he's
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: just getting all the, and he's sometimes they're not even
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: using them on important drives and shit. He should have
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: more in my opinion, but, But it's pretty crazy how
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: some of the outputs are, but you do need to
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: find the ceilings. That's also, I think where we do
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job of this, of adapting over the years,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: being able to be in the game for this long
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and super grateful that we've been able to play at
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: a high level for this many years. But it's like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: you got to adapt to the game. That's why a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: DeMario Douglas can work. It's not results oriented. He's 3,500
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: and the winning, I think it was the Millie maker.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: He had, Him with Drake May, cut it off, didn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: even have Bowers, but then just stacked all the seats.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: It was not that crazy. It was like Warren with
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: no Dowdle. Good idea. It was Swift, I think, with
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: no Menungai. All right, not bad. Why not play a
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: run back to him in Watson? I'm not on love
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: in this lineup, but I can get to Watson who
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: can have a ceiling across from Swift.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It was like, it was all stuff like that. Likely
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: when I'm on the, I'm not on the commander's defense
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and I'm trying to get a run back in that
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: game or something like it was, it was wild to
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: see the lineup is not as crazy as you think.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: But Douglas is if you're going to need these ceilings
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: with the way the pricing's changed and stuff, I would
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: do that for sure. I think that's interesting.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: The one thing for sure that I've noticed, like, you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the Sim talk got really big. Well, now like the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Sim talk within spread out portfolios and like everything's getting
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the stuff is just getting spread out. So if you
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: are somebody that is. Really digging into this and building
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: your lineups and paying attention to your exposures and things
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like that. I think you can probably have somewhat of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: an advantage moving forward. The reason Jameer Gibbs was 26%,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I think, yesterday was a lot of people are using
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: these diversifiers and whatnot and ownership's just getting spread out
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: all over the place. So I think there's an advantage.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you know moving forward like that was eye-opening to me
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: yesterday Gibbs at 26 percent like the clear I mean
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: just the clear best play on the slate hands down
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: nobody else was in contention I mean he has projected
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: so many more points than than anyone else and 26
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: percent I think there's there's opportunity moving forward Um, I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting too.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I know it's a side note here that we're on,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: but it's, it's helpful to everybody. I'm sure they're here
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: because they play DFS was like, I actually thought the
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: more eyeopening one was Jalen Warren. He ended up being
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: like 19. Like we got the new doubt was out.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: We knew that. And so we're like, okay, people were
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: playing Roman Wilson as a cheap wide receiver. He gave
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: you a more balanced build at a right, at a
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: running back position. And it's not results oriented. I definitely
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: wasn't expecting almost 40 out of the guy or an
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: 80 yard catch and run to start the game for
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a touchdown. But When you had that spot, like it
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: wasn't like all the good yesterday, there was Gibbs and
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: you had Swift and Allen and sure. You can name
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: a few more, but most of the running backs were
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: on the road or tougher matchups or things like that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: He was just in a really good spot seemingly. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that he was only 19.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: So you can.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Still spread everything out, man. That's what, that's what, that's
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: what people are doing now. And I think there's opportunities
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: moving forward to take advantage of that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely think that's for sure. What do you got
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: to add here, Title, when it comes to anything else?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: If not, we're talking about the running backs still.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nothing more to add there. Running backs, though,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I like Kyron a ton. But I do agree.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't shit on Blake Corham, but the role hasn't
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: been as great as I expected.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: But like Coop said, he's still really cheap. His props
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: aren't too bad.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: 33.5 rushing prop and plus 290 to score, which, again,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: plus 290 is real– Touchdown equity might be plus 450,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: but you never know. I mean, not only just injury.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, if he went down, Kyron did. Corham would
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: be a complete smash. But week two, he still played
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: 45% of snaps. Who knows if week four is going
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: to be sticky and it's going to be 83% versus
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: 15% every single time. But it's just the price tag
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: with someone that is pretty good.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: They're favored.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: If they just want to pound the football, keep Josh
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Allen off the field, maybe we do see him get
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: more snaps. So I do like Blake Corham a bit.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: And then, yeah, Ty Johnson at 3,200 as well, not
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: showing for much ownership. If they do get behind, you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: going to see him in a lot of passing situations.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: And then you can rack up full point PPR that way.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: He's like 16 and a half is receiving prop.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Is that great?
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, not really, but Kobe Parkinson, 17 and a half.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I know Kobe Parkinson is a little cheaper, but he
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: is showing to get more ownership as well. So I
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: do think James Cook is my least favorite as well.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: With all that being said, it's going to be everyone's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: least favorite. He has to get squeezed, and if he
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: does hit the winning lineup, you have chances at a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: lot less dupes because that means probably Josh isn't doing it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: He's outscoring Pukas or something in the world. So I
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: get it game theory-wise. It's tough, though, at the price.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's just one of those scenarios where you
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: probably prefer him in the captain opposed to the flex
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: because if it's going to be him, it's going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: be him, and then Usually when it's him, no one
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: else on the Bills side is really all that needed.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So I'd rather just play him in the captain.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Well, also, too, it's just how the game plays. Your
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: lineup should tell a story, like we always talk about.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: But if they're going to be up and it's because
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: of him, then you definitely want to have him in
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the captain. Because if it's just going to be up
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and a back-and-forth game, then you're going to start having
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: guys like Puka and Adams racking up catches. And all
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, those lineups pass you. So your lineup
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: should not just be... I'm going to play James Cook
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: as the leverage captain, because if it's a ceiling game,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: it's up top. It should also be probably the story
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: of James Cook and like ends up smashing. And that
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: helps the bills take them down and make stuff happen here.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: So I think it's kind of interesting from that perspective.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: It's also why Kyron is probably just as interesting on
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the other side of the captain. He's only getting like
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: 10 or 11 percent up top. and people are playing
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: his receiver hooker. Now that could be a totally different story.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: That could just be their game plan to run on
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: the bills. We've seen teams be able to do this
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: at times, you know, even in the past. So I think,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I think there is, um, more to the car, the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: back to the guy earlier. If I, if I was
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: in the 44, 44 tonight with a ticket, I would
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: probably play, um, Kyron. I like, I probably like Kyron
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the most and I might play some other guys there
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: like Stafford or cook for those two theories I just
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: talked about earlier, but I probably like Kyron the best
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: just because I think that's a pretty good spot at
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: a fair ownership that you're able to still get leverage
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: and build different ways. I'll also bring this one up quick.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: If you guys like this type of stuff, you can
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: go watch the show I recorded just before this one
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: with Bellman, Takedown Breakdown. We really go deep into it
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: for an hour or so and we go through this stuff.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: But I actually don't... First of all, you don't see
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: late swap that prevalent anyway for it to be a
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: big enough swing that I just think that kind of
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: was the number. And second of all, people already had
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the afternoon news. So if they already had Harris in there,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: all this stuff, I don't think a lot of people
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: late swap.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think many people late swap. I'd say the...
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Percentage of people late swapping is like, I don't even know.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: It's like in the single digits. I would say.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: What do you think it is title? But if you
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: had to guess a hundred percent of people eligible to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: late swap and say a $ 20 Millie maker, what house?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's low.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I would probably put it at like 6%.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Now with that being said, because of the 150 maxers,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: a lot more than 6% of the contest. I shouldn't
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: say a lot more, but more of that contest is
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: late swapping individual line is because again, if the, Of
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: all 150 maxers, maybe 50% is doing it or something.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: So it makes up a larger portion, if that makes sense.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think many are doing it. The
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: ones that are doing it, though, are playing a bunch
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: of teams. But still, relative to.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: You're saying if there's 300 150 maxers on a 76,000-person tournament,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: that's like a quarter.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Of the field. Yeah, exactly.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: But the lineup's in the field. So you're saying it's
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: a different number there. But yeah, no, it makes sense.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: But still not as many as you'd expect.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It's not going to impact ownership.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: And there really wasn't– it almost– you had to go
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Manuel Wilson pretty much. Like you weren't swapping to Chargers
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: running back. You weren't swapping to Broncos running backs. Sure,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: if you had Gibbs in the flex, which you obviously
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: should have.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Um, do though is like it all we talked about yesterday.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: What would they be late swapping the morning running backs
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: pretty much all smashed. So it's not like you would
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: have been like, Oh, I had a shitty morning. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: got a late swap. It's like, if you just had Gibbs, yes,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: but which people did. So don't get me wrong. Some did.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't think it's as big as we would think.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: So it's a great question from a DBDFS over there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you. So let's move into the wide receiver
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: title and I'll stay with you on this one. We
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: talked about Puka already. We know about the DJ more
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: stuff we're waiting on. We know Palmer is out. What
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: else are we talking about here at the wide receiver position?
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the DJ Moore situation is very important because if
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: he does play it, I mean, it just gets more
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: spread out. Like I still think Skylar Bell would, cause
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: there's no Josh Palmer. So we already do have bad news.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: And he played 60% of snaps last week. So that
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: is a pretty big void that they have to fill.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And DJ Moore got hurt in that game, but I'm
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: in on Coleman for sure. I'm in on Shakir to
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: an extent, but, I don't love it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: But Skylar Bell is the one at $ 200.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Even if DJ Moore.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Is in, I think Skylar Bell is more than likely
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: going to take the Joshua Palmer role, whereas Greg Dortch,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: who's projecting for a little bit, hardly anything. He's more
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: of a slot guy with Shakir. Coleman's by far my
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: favorite on the Bill side. And then Yeah, I'm going
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: to listen to what you guys say about Skyler Bell.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: When you play him, again, so much like Puka at
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: captain or Josh Allen at captain.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I would want to leave money.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I'd want to get a 5-1 build maybe, something that's
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: going to get me different with Skyler Bell. I'm a
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: little scared about that. As far as the Ram side, though,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Puka's just the man. He's by far my favorite. But
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I do think the Jordan Whittingtons and Mumpfields of the world,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: they're going to be in my pool for sure. Yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: they're more expensive than Skyler because he's full $ 200. But
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Parkinson's going to be higher on than both Whittington and
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Mumfield for only a couple hundred dollars more. People are
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: going to want to go to the mid-tier more like
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: the kickers or try and get like Ty Johnson's even
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: showing a little bit more ownership. I think Whittington and Mumfield.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Mumfield's my preferred play because he has just more downfield threat.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: But then I just go and look at props and
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: it's six and a half and five and a half.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: So I think they're better fit in Stafford captain teams. Um,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: but I mean, when we get to it, like the
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: tight ends, I'm going to be overweight on these tight ends.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: We talk about the Rams all the time. They're on
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: 13 personnel. I do prefer the Rams, Higby's Parkinson's, even
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Davis Allen over them a little bit, but I'm trying
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: to get different in the Puka builds in the Josh
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Allen builds. And I do think Whittington month feels a
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: way to do it. It's definitely Puka though, when it
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: comes to receiver room, Keon Coleman for me. And then, yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I prefer these a lot of tight ends that we're
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: going to talk about.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: So. I'm open to hear your guys' thoughts, though. This
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: position is pretty tough for me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing I'll say quick is I just got
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: sold on Williams, Captain Moore, when we talked earlier. This
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: one just sold me more on Stafford. Captains, again, for
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: a guy that can spread it around, I know that
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: people think you just automatically need to plug Puka in.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: By the way, you can. There's still more than enough
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: savings on this slate to go Puka, skip Adams, drop
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: down to these guys. But it's like you said about
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the bell thing. There's only so much you can do.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Like you mentioned a 5-1. Imagine you have a 5-1
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: bills with Bell. If you do the chalkiest version of it, yes,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: that'll be a popular build still because even though there's
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: less 5-1s, even though there's less of Bell overall, it's
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: like that's going to be the popular version of it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: But there's 5-1s you could do with money on the table.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: but it's almost like any other style of build just gets,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: and so I already talked about earlier with playing these
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: receivers up top and the King Kades and the Shakirs
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: and the Coleman's and the Adams and all those types
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: of guys, I'm just going to land in a more
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: balanced build. And if he beats me, he gets me.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: But it's like, I think that's, what's interesting about is
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: when you have the mump fields and when we get
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: to the 13 personnel, like that's the other thing you
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: said that I was going to go to. It's they're
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: either going to run it a bunch, I think. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: if they have success, stick with it. To me, that
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: says Williams, you could do like a Williams captain quorum
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: in the flex. If you think you're just going to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: continue to do that. And then the other way, is
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: they're just having success passing it around. And that's where
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I think it could be like more spread out than
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: usual on the Pukas, Adams, Mumpfields, Higby's Parkinson's. They use
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Davis Allen sometimes like who knows, but it just makes
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: it somewhat interesting to me when I think everyone's just
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: set on Allen and Puka for the most part. So
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I don't have too much else to add hoop. We'll
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: wait on the more news, but take us into your
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: thoughts at wide receiver. Yeah.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I think if you're in on the Skylar bell stuff,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: which I'm going to be, you almost want DJ Moore,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: to play because if DJ Moore's ruled out, then his
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: projections coming up. I mean, right now the projection is three.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Some places have it to somewhere between two and three.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: If DJ Moore's ruled out, that's probably coming up to,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: what do you think, five or six, right? I mean,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it's probably going to get doubled, I'd assume, is projection well,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and then that means the ownership's coming up.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying the
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: ownership's only going to double. No, no.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think the projection doubles, and I think
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: the ownership probably doubles as well. So, like, if you're
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: in on Bell, you probably just are kind of hoping
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: that DJ Moore's in. And really, if DJ Moore's in
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and you're in on Bell, there's no way the ownership
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: gets to a crazy number. We haven't seen these $ 200
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: plays get crazy– ownership. So like one little tweak in
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the lineup, like you guys were kind of touching on is,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is probably enough to be a little bit different, be
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: looking to leave the money on the table. You know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: maybe play them with, you know, who's a stud. James
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Cook is probably the stud that gets overlooked the most,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: probably incorporate James Cook into those teams. Just do it
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit different. If you're going to be in
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on the, the Skylar Moore stuff. The DJ more news
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: is obviously huge for Shakira and Coleman. I'm in on
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: them regardless of, If DJ Moore's ruled out, the ownership
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: is definitely going to come up on Shakir and Coleman
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: as well. But I'm in on those guys for sure, regardless.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And both of them looked really good last week when
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Moore was out. And then on the Rams side, Puka, Devontae,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and then Mumfield and Whittington, to me, better suited for
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Stafford captain teams where you just need them to spread
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: it out. I think it's a perfect fit if you
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: are playing Stafford captain to include those guys, because you need,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: you need those guys to be involved or the cheap
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Rams tight ends to, to make it work for, for
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Stafford captain. I'm not super high on it. Tambo seems
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to like it a little bit more. And that's what
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you need. If you are playing those teams, you need
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: those guys involved in the offense and they can be,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it's one, I mean, for those guys, one 50 yard
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: touchdown and they're going to be needed.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: They make Stafford work. You nailed it. Cause that's the
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: whole point. Like that's what makes Stafford at the captain
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: work because it also hurts the other guys. I know
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: it seems obvious, but just noting it because that's the point.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: So you want that 50 yarder. Well now Puka can't
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: get any points on that drive. Cause 50 plus the
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: catch plus the touchdown, everything, all of it just went
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: to Mumfield, right? Things like that. So you're looking for angles.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mean Puka can't still be in it. Just the
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: idea of it, of what's hurting the captain up top.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Another thing I like this one, um, Coleman, great. Again,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: pick your own lane. If you like Coleman versus Kincaid,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: that's up to you. I'm just saying, but what you
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: can do, and not enough people do this, is you
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: can take a really good set of projections, like we
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: have at Ship It Nation, and say, okay, I know
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: that Kincaid projects more than Coleman, but I'm sold on Coleman.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I think either whether Moore is in or out, I'm
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: interested in Coleman. I think the rapport has got better.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I think they're more likely to go this route. I
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: know he's going to be one third or at least
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: half the ownership of Kincaid. you can, the ownership stays
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: the same. That's good too.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Accurate.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: You don't got to change it. You could just change
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Coleman's projection to Kincaid's and Kincaid's projection to Coleman. And
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: then you shouldn't be surprised when your pool looks a
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: lot different and more Coleman, but it's because you said
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: that you can do it for anybody, anywhere, anytime you
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: can move it around, give the points to each other,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: because you're saying, I'm going to take a really good
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: set of projections, put an IKB, right? I know better,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: or some say, I know ball I'm set up on
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: it and say, I'm going to, I'm going to switch
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: it up a little bit. I'm going to move it
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: this way. So definitely there's nothing wrong with doing that
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: lastly title i'll let you go into tight end in
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a second but i want to just ask you because
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: we've had enough conversation around bell and coleman and even
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: shakir and different guys if dj more is in which
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: i still think is very possible here based on practices
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and things like that how much interest do you actually
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: have in dj more himself.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Not much um A, I'm worried. I mean, he's 7,600.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: So any DJ Moore team, I can go to Shakir,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I can go to Coleman, I can go to Kincaid,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: maybe even Higby. It feels like a spot at his
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: price where I'm worried enough about the injury. I think
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: he might be limited a little bit. Like, man, he's
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: been banged up multiple times already this year. He only
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: had limited participant practice once. And I do think they
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: trust these other guys enough and they run enough tight
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: ends out there as well, where I don't think he'd
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: play his full amount of snaps.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So I feel.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: pretty confident that I can just save money and, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: just drop and like get different that way just by.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Leaving money on the table. So I still prefer Coleman.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: The nice thing is if he's in, he's going to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: be owned too. I mean, it's a name on the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: slate and it's priced in, in a range where, you know,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: people are going to like that. He's priced 7,600. So
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he's going to get ownership when he's in. And I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: kind of agree with title. I'm, I'm kind of out
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: on him as well.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: So the coach speak on this was just so people
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: know it because they like this type of stuff to
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: round this segment out. We'll go to tight end next was. Um,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Joe Brady said, DJ is a competitor and you see
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: the difference in us with DJ out on the football field.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's natural and that's real. He's
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: always going to do literally everything he can to be
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: out there, not just for himself, but for his teammates.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I think we owe it to him. If he feels like, Hey,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I can go out there and I can play at
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: the level I can, and I can be there for
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: my team, for my teammates. We're going to roll with
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: that with him because he does make us better out there. So, um,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Sounds like, you know, as long as he thinks he
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: can go, by the way, that's what Jenty, there's no
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: comparison or relation, but that's what Jenty ended up doing yesterday.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Once they talked about it after the game and everything,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: he just said, I'm good enough to go. I want
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to be out there. Let me play. Didn't really do much, right?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Didn't really help out the situation. Dropped a critical first
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: down there too. Like just a couple of different things
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: that sometimes you think maybe it's just better to wait
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a week, but these guys are competitors. They want to
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: be out there. Makes sense. Title, anything else to add
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: on DJ Moore? If not, you can take us into
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: the tight end.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I don't love the DJ.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Now, I do like this tight end position, though, on
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: both sides. So for Buffalo, I mean, Kincaid, we talked
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: about it. He has the highest receiving prop. They don't
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: have DJ Moore's prop up yet because they don't want
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: to take the risk, I don't think.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: But 54.5.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, Devontae's 61.5 receiving yards. So that does show
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Kincaid's underpriced and a way you can leave money and
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: get different as well. Dawson Knox has out-snapped Kincaid. in
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: three straight games. I know he's a better blocker, but
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to play some Dawson Knox too at 2,600,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: a way you can leave some money. Jackson Hawes, I mean,
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: this is like the 150 really large field stuff. He's
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: the definition of just a blocker, but he's on the field,
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: 14 snaps, 25, 37. If you're trying to make a
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: pivot from Skyler Bell, he's only, what, 400 more and
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: going to be a third, a fourth, something like that
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: of the ownership. Again, most people out here are probably
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: not playing more than 20 teams, so I wouldn't go
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: that way. But it is worth noting, anyone that's that cheap,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: where everyone's just going to play one guy in the 200,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: 600 range, he's a pivot down there. As far as
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: the Rams side, they're still without Terrence Ferguson. It is
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: going to be the Parkinson, Kobe Parkinson show, Tyler Higbee.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: I think both are solid. I prefer the savings, the
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: 2K to Kobe Parkinson.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: And then another really cheap value.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: If you wanted Davis Allen, he had three targets or
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: two targets last game, three targets, the game prior, they
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: run a lot of 13 personnel. If you're open Stafford,
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: we'll get you the ball. Um, so yeah, I'm going
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: to be playing these tight ends cause they're cheap. They
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: allow you to jam in the studs that you want,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: and they're really not getting much ownership outside of a
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: little bit of Kobe Parkinson.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hoop, what do you got here at the tight
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: end position? Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm in on all these guys. One that definitely
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: stands out to me, um, Davis Allen. He just seems
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to always be out there. And I don't know, Stafford
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: seems to get him a little bit of something and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's just like a one touchdown and that's all you
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: need sort of play. So really like Davis Allen down there.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: These guys are great for the quarterback captain teams, whether
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: it's the Josh Allen stuff or the Matthew Stafford, we
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: just talked about with those cheap Rams wide receivers, same
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: thing for these Rams tight ends, like Matthew Stafford captain teams,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: you need these guys to be involved. So you're going
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to want to play them in flux. Obviously, Josh Allen,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: he can be the captain regardless of the situation. But
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford, he needs these guys to be involved.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: So I think they're they're fine in any format, really,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: but better suited for the Stafford captain teams.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Someone said Knox in the box. It's like elf on
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: the shelf, right? Merry Christmas or happy holidays. If you
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: get Dawson Knox in the box, it happens more than,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: more than you'd think though. And Josh Allen tries to
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: do that with him. So maybe it's a Allen Knox,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Allen lineup that you need. You got Knox and Davis
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Allen on the other side and get the two cheapy
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: tight end quarterbacks or a tight end touchdown. Sorry from,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: from their quarterbacks. But I think it is interesting that
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: you can play. You could, you could build a unique
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: lineup tonight with multiple. Everyone's always all multiple running backs
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. You could definitely play two
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: tight ends tonight from certain teams here. Um, you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: specifically with the Stafford caps, I think it works even more,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: but it would definitely work on the Allen. Kincaid knocks.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: You just talked about, um, Kincaid's prop, um, especially if
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: we get more out where then I would actually like
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: this even, even more pun intended, I guess, but it's
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: like you would get Kincaid for possibly more catches in yards,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: but it could be Knox who gets the touchdowns. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: that's a different way to play a Josh Allen captain
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: where you're like, okay, I'm racking it up through. Most
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: people are going to have, you know, Shakir Coleman, Skylar Bell,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: whoever it would be in that scenario, you'd be able
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: to get not just Kincaid, but add Knox into the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: mix also. So I think that's, Something to think about there.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: And it would give you big savings for what you
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: want to do on the other side for the Ram
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: or Rams that you got to play to go with it.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: So not too much else for me to add there.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Who do you want to talk about kickers and D's
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: at all tonight? Someone mentioned earlier, maybe it's a no kickers,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: no D's type of night. You talked about where I
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: want to relate it back to with you as you
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: talked about just keeping your captains pretty tight up top.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Are the kickers and D's the rake a little bit
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: where you could just see yourself way underweight or some
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: lineups with none at all? Or how are you feeling
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: about the kickers and defenses?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm just probably not going to be
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: on much of the defenses and whatever. I mean, if
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: they beat me, they beat me. They're still getting some
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: ownership on the slate. I fully understand in shootouts, defenses
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: can still be needed. So even if you think it
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: is high scoring, it doesn't necessarily mean that the defenses
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: don't do something, but I'll just be under probably almost
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: fully off and then in on the kickers. But I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's like these offenses nowadays are so freaking aggressive, man.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Like just so aggressive, you know, fourth and fours now
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: are just like almost automatic to, to go for it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So I guess maybe a little less
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: interested in the kickers and the normal. So definitely under
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: on these and I don't know, potentially under on kickers.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just overall a little doubt. Certain teams make sense,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: but like these are very aggressive offenses and, um i
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: don't know i might be a little lower on i'm
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: low i'll be lower on kickers than i normally am
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: let's put it that way all right.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah title what do you think with these kickers and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: defenses or any any thought thinking about how you might
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: be using them when you are playing them.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Um i haven't i guess necessarily thought as much as
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: like when i'm playing like i usually prefer like if
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: i have josh allen or bill at captain then i
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: prefer the rams kicker in the flex or vice versa
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: because you're telling yourself that If you're playing a Bill
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: captain that they convert in the red zone more and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: you get that touchdown, whereas you think the other team stalls.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: So that's just like always this. But again, I haven't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: looked at data or something. That's just what my what
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: my brain's telling me. I'm in agreement with who I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: definitely do not like the Bills defense. This defense has
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: been really bad. And I think the Rams can do
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: whatever they want. The Rams defense has been a little better.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: and Josh Young can hold the ball a little bit,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: take some sacks, so I'm fine with them.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: It still doesn't really feel very.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Fun to roster any defense in a game that's 54.5
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: total or whatever it is, but they're going to be
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: low on as a way to get different. The kickers,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: I definitely prefer Mevis over Bass. He just has a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: lot bigger leg, so more 50-yard upside there, but I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: do agree with Hoop. Both these teams are going to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: go for it when the analytics say so in fourth
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: and two, fourth and three or whatever, so less interest
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: than usual, and they're still showing ownership. So any kicker
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: can go down to Parkinson or Higby or Dawson Knox
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: or something like that.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Ty Johnson.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I think that's a way I'll be looking at it,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: but yeah, not the strongest takes on this position.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Do you know how big Harrison Mevis's leg is?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: As big as his belly. Big.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: His popular nickname is the thicker kicker.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: With all c's t-h-i-c-c-e-r he's the thicker kicker man so
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: this is the guy six foot 245 pounds oh i
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: just typed in.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: His career long and it's only 52 but that's in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: the nfl i guess he had a 61.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yarder at missouri but man that.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Surprises me who is the kicker he was talking about
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: with the size seven shoe aubrey yeah aubrey that's right
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: i'm still very surprised by that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so funny. The very surprise thing was Tyler Loop,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: speaking of kickers, last night. This guy, ever since he
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: missed the 26-yard chip shot or whatever it was last year,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: when you remember Henry and Lamar going nuts on the sideline,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: they did everything to get this lined up, the proper call.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: It's all... Set to go, mind you, Harbaugh, that's what
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: he got fired for. I think it was the straw
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: that broke the camel's back, they say. You could have
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: ran another play with Derrick Henry and got him a.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Little bit closer.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: But anyway, he always looks so surprised when he hits
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: these kicks now. To force it or get something, it's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: hilarious to watch. But you've got to have a little
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: more confidence to be a kicker in the NFL, I think,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: just big time.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tough job. I mean, everyone expects you to make it.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: And when you don't, you'll only be remembered for that.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how that works, but it's like you do
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: just have one job. You got to go– especially when
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: you're a drafted kicker, like you literally got to make
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: the kicks. And it's just– it sucks because there's a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: ton of pressure and all the other stuff that goes
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: with it, and you're not expected to make them all,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I guess. But it's pretty crazy. Look at that– what's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: the guy yesterday for the Giants?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Zveta or whatever he is.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Zveta. He's a Wolverine kicker last year. Zveta or something.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I think he's– yeah. What did he miss? Three kicks yesterday?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Was he drafted? I think he was drafted.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the Michigan kicker, I think, as of
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: No, he was and he wasn't. I think it was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: noted there yesterday. I thought somebody said that yesterday. Undrafted
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: free agent in April. Anyway, don't know how long he'll
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: keep his, but it was bad. He's been doing so good, though.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: That's the key. It's a bad day for sure. All right,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: any FanDuel stuff that you got over there, Hoop?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just looking pretty similar when you're looking at
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the pricing and stuff. A couple that stand out. Blake Corum's, what,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: 38 on DK?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: 3,800?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: He's 7,200 on FanDuel. Much tougher click where on DK,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: you know, falls into the box once. You're good on FanDuel.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Might need more than that at 72. So don't love that.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But I got Keon Coleman, 5,600 on FanDuel.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I like that price tag quite a bit. I mean, that's...
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: The cheapies aren't as appealing. You've got Mumford at $ 4, 000,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Whittington $ 3, 600. Keon Coleman is just a little more expensive
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: than those guys. Skyler Bell is the minimum $ 1, 000 on FanDuel.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: The other thing I'll say is I didn't really love
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the Stafford captain all that much on DK. I do
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: like it quite a bit on FanDuel, though. And James Cook, $ 11, 200.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Same thing with James Cook, $ 11, 200. He's up there. I mean,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: more expensive than Kyron.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is he, 16? Yeah, Kyron's 15. That's pretty crazy, yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: And Sully, no, no, no. He missed his first of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: his NFL career yesterday, but it wasn't his only miss.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: He went two for five yesterday. I just looked it
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: up to make sure I wasn't nuts. He had three
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: misses in the week five tie, but it started with
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: the worst timing. Like I said, it was his first
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: miss of his NFL career. So, I mean, it's early
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: to be calling that anyway when you're so early. But anyway. Um, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: That was a good point by you hoop 16, eight
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: in the MVP for James cook, just three K less
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: than Josh Allen on fan duel. You can play 15,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: six Kyron. You could play 14, seven Devante Adams over there.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Talk about a guy for scoring touchdowns. You know, you,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: you can get a guy two touchdowns like that at the,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: the line. So yeah, I think there's some interesting stuff
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: on fan duel tonight as well. Uh, titled anything else
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: over there stand out for you?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Just as usual, quarterbacks get a lot more ownership at MVP.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: While Puka won't be low-owned, I think he will be
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: lower-owned over there. Kyron, a good price tag. James Cook's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: going to be squeezed for sure. DJ Moore, 9K. Kincaid, 8.4K. Corum, 7.2.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: All of them will be squeezed as well. Keon Coleman
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: looks to have a great price tag. Higby, Parkinson look good.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: But if you want to pivot off of those guys,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: I do think Mumfield and Whittington And Dawson Knox are
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: all guys that are cheaper. They'll be on the field
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: a little bit if they outscore them. In a vacuum,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: you can get a little difference. Other than that, like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Skyler Bell's 1K. Any other pivot down there? I guess
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: Jackson Hawes at 1.2K, Davis Allen 2.2. But yeah, Skyler
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Bell is going to be popular on FanDuel as well
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: to jam in studs.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Seems like a relatively similar slate.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: This was the Skyler Bell stuff for people that wanted
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: in the chat. It was, you know, this is what
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Joe Brady said. I just copy and pasted it over.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: But they, what he said was interesting was that he
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: was getting the DJ more stuff early in the week.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: So he was getting acclimated to Josh Allen already. And
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the Palmer, the Palmer news was already set to go.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: So he's, you know, he's excited for him for the opportunity.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. It's, first of all, does something
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: even happen? And second of all, does that get you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: to a roster that gets you to the top? That
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: is also in a position you want to put yourself
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: in where it's split up however many ways or not,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: or whatever you're planning to do. So know your goals,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: know the tournaments that you're playing in tonight, build a lineup.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Somebody said earlier too, like, you know, I think it
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: was Andrew Martinez always in here. We appreciate you said, um,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: this like most people are playing like one or like
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: one to 20 lineups if you like this play it
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: if not i wouldn't play just because it's unique like
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: yeah it'd probably be unique to put kincaid up top
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: put josh allen in the flex and then have nox
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: behind him it would allow you to fit all the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: stuff on the ram side probably that you want but
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: my point also being is that really what you want
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: to put your money on if it is give her
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: that's your lane if not i would try and actually
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: put money on something you want to put your money
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: on and that's the mistake i said i think a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: lot of people make in the megas and the stuff
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: like that they win their ticket in an aggressive manner.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: because they got it for less than 50 bucks then
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: they go up and play super tight how would that
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: work at the poker tables title you know the answer Yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: not too well, right? You get loose with it. You
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: get your stack built up. And then you say, oh,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go play at the bigger table where
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I could win more. But wait, I'm going to tighten
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: up and play like an absolute nit. And then they
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: know everything about me. And when I get aces cracked,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I'm mad. Well, I waited until I had the best hand.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: And you got smashed. So that's what happens. So it's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: It can go, guys.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Good conversations over here, as usual, on a Monday. Fired
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: up for tonight. I think this is a big game. Title,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: do you have any other final thoughts? We could talk
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: poker all day, I'm sure. But anything else you want
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: to add?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean, it's cool to come on here
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: and get an actual phenomenal football game. I mean, these
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: two we expect to be in near the end. And
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: it's great for DFS when there's a handful of options
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: that you can play a captain like legit Stafford, Kyron, Puka, Devante,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: James Cook, Josh Allen right there.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: That's six.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: And no one would be surprised if any of those
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: six were the highest just raw scores on the slate,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: which always makes it for a lot of fun.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be a good one, man. Like
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: you said, and you can get a game that, you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: game scoring and totals and different factors. But like last night,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: the captains are shaking around at the end. Like, oh,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: if Bijan just gets this, if London catches, if Penix
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: comes back in the game, if they're like, there's just
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: so many things that can happen at the end of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: a good game. And so this one should be good
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: for DFS and good for viewing pleasure and watching this
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: game as well. Who final thoughts for you, man, before
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: we get out of here.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fun game for entertainment purposes, for DFS, and let's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: get a strong finish to week five, and then we
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: move on to week six. Good luck.
• 1:10:31
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• 1:10:32
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• 1:10:34
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• 1:10:37
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• 1:10:40
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• 1:10:43
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• 1:10:45
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