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Brian Laundrie Hiding Out at Fort De Soto After Trip With Gabby? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The search goes on or the missing boyfriend now dead
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Speaker 1: Van life girl Gabby Petito? Why is he on the run?
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Speaker 1: Experts have largely debunked the theory that he has committed
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Speaker 1: suicide where his hiding out in the twenty five thousand
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Speaker 1: acres of swamp known as Carlton Reserve. But in the
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Speaker 1: last hours, a new lead shifts the focus and the
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Speaker 1: search for a so called boyfriend, Brian Laundry bombshell evidence
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Speaker 1: now has a photo emerged showing Brian Laundry at Fort
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Speaker 1: DeSoto with Gabby Petito, photos taken in February before Gabby's murder.
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Speaker 1: Did the two of them go to Fort de Soto
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Speaker 1: to check out the campgrounds? The same campgrounds where Dwayne
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Speaker 1: Chapman dogged the bounty Hunters, says Brian Laundry's hiding out.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. The register
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Speaker 1: went through the gate. They're on camera. They were here,
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Speaker 1: and they did enter. They did come here allegedly. What
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Speaker 1: we're hearing is two people left on the eighth, three
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Speaker 1: people came in on the sixth, and two people left
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Speaker 1: on the eighth. I think he's been here for sure.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of little islands around the area
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Speaker 1: where we're at, that he could get to on a canoe.
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Speaker 1: We talked to the caretakers today on the islands and
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Speaker 1: they said he could be out here. He had he
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Speaker 1: was here for sure, not over in the swamp. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing the voice of Dwayne Chapman speaking to Fox News.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear that one more time because there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of information that Jackie one more time. Please,
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Speaker 1: the register went through the gate, they're on camera. They
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Speaker 1: were here, and they did enter, they did come here allegedly.
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Speaker 1: What we're hearing is two people left on the eighth,
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Speaker 1: three people came in on the sixth, and two people
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Speaker 1: left on the eighth. I think he's been here for sure.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of little islands around the area
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Speaker 1: where we're at that he could get to on a canoe.
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Speaker 1: We talked to the caretakers today on the islands and
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Speaker 1: they said he could be out here, that he was
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Speaker 1: here for sure, not over in the swamp. Was he
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Speaker 1: there for sure, not in Carlton Reserve. It is entirely possible. Again,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing the voice of Dwayne Chapman speaking to Fox News,
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Speaker 1: and he is there at Fort DeSoto, about seventy seventy
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Speaker 1: five miles away from the Laundry home. Again, I'm Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories and I want to thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us, with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. First of all, Dale Carson,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville, Florida. Also
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Speaker 1: former fed an FBI agent, which is significant today. Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at karen start dot com. That's Karen with a CE.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director, founder of the Coldcase Research Institute at
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Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet.
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Speaker 1: But first straight out to Massa's side, investigative reporter with WFLATV. Massa,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. She is
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Speaker 1: joining us there in Florida. Massa, tell me where is
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Speaker 1: Fort de Soto and does that timeline that we're hearing from.
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Speaker 1: Chapman dive with reports of the neighbors that Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: was at his home with his parents on September eleven,
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Speaker 1: the day that Gabby Petito was reported missing by her parents.
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Speaker 1: Neighbors that say they saw laundry at his Northport home
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Speaker 1: with his parents getting into the family trut with an
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Speaker 1: attached camper on the back and taking off. Because I
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Speaker 1: think I'm hearing Chapman's say, three laundries went in on
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Speaker 1: the six to Fort de Soto and two left on
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Speaker 1: the eighth. First, what's Fort de Soto. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: that Massa. Okay, So first we'll start with Fort de Soto.
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Speaker 1: It's about seventy five miles away from the Laundry family home.
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Speaker 1: As you said, Nancy, it's about a thousand acres. This
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Speaker 1: is in Penella's County. It's fiveties. There's lots of secluded beaches.
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Speaker 1: People go out there to go fishing, people go out
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Speaker 1: there to take their dog. And late last night, Dog
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Speaker 1: the bounty hunter said that he had this huge lead,
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Speaker 1: this huge tip. As you know, he got involved in
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Speaker 1: this case on Saturday, and he told reporters last night
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Speaker 1: that he got this new lead. We heard sound from
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Speaker 1: that off the top, and he said that the Laundry family,
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Speaker 1: on two separate occasions, had been to the campground at
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Speaker 1: Fort to Soto. There's two hundred and thirty six campsites
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Speaker 1: at this park. So, according to jobs the bounty Hunter,
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Speaker 1: September one to September third, the Laundryes went to Fort
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Speaker 1: to Soto, and he says they returned again and made
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Speaker 1: reservations from September sixth to September eighth. And this is
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Speaker 1: really the stunning piece of information, the allegation they came
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Speaker 1: out last night that three of them went in on
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Speaker 1: September six but only two of them left on September eighth.
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Speaker 1: So we're assuming that he's had access to the reservation
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Speaker 1: paperwork there. You do have to reserve. I spend some
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Speaker 1: time looking into that. This morning, you make reservations, so
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Speaker 1: there would be a record of the Laundry family at
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Speaker 1: this local Haitian. So he is talking about some surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: It's unclear right now if the surveillance video exists exactly
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Speaker 1: what it shows, but as you said, he is telling
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Speaker 1: reporters that quote. For sure, he's absolutely positive that Brian
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Speaker 1: was there at least from September sixth to September eighth.
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Speaker 1: We do have our chopper monitoring several scenes here this morning.
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Speaker 1: I want to let you know the Penellas County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Office says that they are not conducting a search of
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Speaker 1: Fort to Soto and they are not aware of any
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Speaker 1: sightings of Brian laundry at Forts to Soto. The FBI
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Speaker 1: is leading this investigation, but our chopper over the scene
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Speaker 1: this morning, we have not seen any law enforcement out
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Speaker 1: there searching. We are seeing news crew start to show up,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to have a news crew there as well.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to you, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. As you know, our family, big campers and
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Speaker 1: our VARs and but we're talking about out as Massa
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Speaker 1: has just told us. And Massa again, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. There are two hundred and thirty six
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Speaker 1: camp camp sites there at Fort de Soto. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: In order to go through the gate appropriately or legally
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Speaker 1: you have to or stay there, you have to sign in,
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Speaker 1: Like every camp site across the country, unless you're in
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Speaker 1: what they call dispersed camping, because those two hundred and
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Speaker 1: thirty six sites they're reserved. It's like a hotel room.
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Speaker 1: You have to reserve it ahead of time and then
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Speaker 1: show up and they assign you a spot. If you're
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Speaker 1: familiar with the camp site, you can ask, oh, I
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Speaker 1: want my plot seventy one down by the lake, or
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Speaker 1: you can ask for a particular spot and you may
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Speaker 1: or may not get it. If you show up and
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Speaker 1: there's availability, you still have to sign in. So those
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Speaker 1: are pre registered spots. And what I'm wondering is did
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Speaker 1: they sign up ahead of time or did they give
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Speaker 1: their information to camp there? So it's not dispersed camping
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Speaker 1: like where Gabby and Laundry were out in Wyomi, literally
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Speaker 1: out in the wild. This is a controlled state camping spot.
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Speaker 1: I believe. Go ahead, Cheryl, it is Nancy. And here's
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Speaker 1: what jumps out at me. It means that Brian either
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Speaker 1: had a nine to hold on, Hold on, You're on
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Speaker 1: a first name basis with Laundry. Now, what are you
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Speaker 1: going to invite him over to dinner when all this
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Speaker 1: is done? Well, he don't deserve to be formal. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Cheryl. To me, you're talking about a nine
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Speaker 1: to eleven day head start. Gabby's not even reported missing,
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Speaker 1: and he's already got the ability to have his parents
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Speaker 1: go to this camp site, and we dropped supplies, maybe
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Speaker 1: drop a burner phone, maybe drop some clothes, a flashlight,
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Speaker 1: then they're going to go back and then leave him.
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Speaker 1: So even though you know they arrived on the sixth,
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Speaker 1: they don't leave till the eighth. If he went ahead
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Speaker 1: and absconded on the sixth, that means eleven days. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Massa. Saiedi is joining us. They
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Speaker 1: are in Florida, Massa. What about all the neighbors that
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Speaker 1: claimed they saw him leaving and with an attached camper
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Speaker 1: with his parents on September eleven. Yeah, so he got
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Speaker 1: back to the Northport family home on September first. Some
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Speaker 1: neighbors across the street this day that they saw him
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Speaker 1: leave with the camper out back. As you said, I
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Speaker 1: was unaware of exactly what date the neighbors reported. Seeing that,
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Speaker 1: my understanding was they weren't exactly sure. But Dogs, the
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Speaker 1: bounty hunter, is saying September first to third is when
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Speaker 1: they left almost immediately upon coming home. Dog is saying
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Speaker 1: that there's I guess paperwork that confirms they immediately went
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Speaker 1: camping and then again going back camping September six to eighth.
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Speaker 1: I also wanted to clarify this is a county control site.
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Speaker 1: You can make reservations in person or online or buy
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Speaker 1: the phone, and campsite one to eighty five is if
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Speaker 1: you have a van or a tent or something like that.
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Speaker 1: And according to dogs, he said that they stayed in
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Speaker 1: campground space number one during the first stop and they
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Speaker 1: stayed in space number fifteen from September sixth to eighth,
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Speaker 1: which again those details leave me to believe that he's
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Speaker 1: seen some sort of paperwork. Okay, do you mind everybody
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Speaker 1: with me on the scene. It's Massa SETI with WFLATV
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Florida. Can I please get you
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Speaker 1: first of all, Jackie, you look up. We have stated
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Speaker 1: in the past and where we got it that neighbors
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Speaker 1: saw him leaving the family home in Northport with the
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Speaker 1: red Dodge ram with an attached like a minicamper stuck
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Speaker 1: on the back on September eleventh. And what was so
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Speaker 1: significant about that was that that is the day that
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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito was formally reported missing by her own parents
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Speaker 1: up in Long Island. All right, Massa's said, just if
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Speaker 1: you would repeat that for everybody, because these dates are critical.
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Speaker 1: I think Dwayne must have gotten the information off the
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Speaker 1: signing sheet and I'm curious, and I'll say this to you,
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Speaker 1: Dela Crossed in a minute, how they hey, did dogged
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Speaker 1: the bounty on or find it and the FBI didn't
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Speaker 1: find it? Or did they anyway? Back to those dates
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Speaker 1: because they're critical, Would you tell me the dates again? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I will tell you the dates again. So yeah, it
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Speaker 1: is possible that the SBI knows this information that they're
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Speaker 1: not releasing Ednancy as you said. But yes, So September
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Speaker 1: first is when Brian Laundry came back to his home
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Speaker 1: and Northports home he shared with his Beyonce Gabby Potito,
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Speaker 1: except she wasn't with him this time. According to Dog
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Speaker 1: the Pounty Hunter, September first to the third, they went
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Speaker 1: camping about seventy five miles away and a different county
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Speaker 1: near Saint Pete Beach Fort Tosto Campgrounds. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: what happened between September third or September they left went home.
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Speaker 1: Neighbors said they saw him, you know, mowing the lawn,
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Speaker 1: going bike riding with family somewhere, and between that timeframe
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Speaker 1: September six to September eighth, according to Dog the Bounty Hunter,
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Speaker 1: the family returned three people signing in at Fort to
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Speaker 1: Sota Park again and then leaving and this is the
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Speaker 1: part that's unclear to me. Leaving and he says only
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Speaker 1: two people left, and he kind of I've seen just
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Speaker 1: different reports about what video supports this, like, how are
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Speaker 1: you looking into the car? Hour on, You're cutting out
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Speaker 1: on me. You're cutting out on me, Massa. Let's get
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Speaker 1: her set up again. Okay, let's analyze what Massa Sade
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Speaker 1: is telling us. And this is based on the word
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Speaker 1: of Dwayne Chapman, dog the bounty hunter. Okay, Del Carson,
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Speaker 1: how does dog have it and the FBI doesn't have it?
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Speaker 1: You're the former FBI agent. Now, when an old dog
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Speaker 1: starts sniffing around, it's gonna kick up some things that
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Speaker 1: we've already discovered, right, So this isn't isn't news? Really
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Speaker 1: is to me, I've never heard you say anything about
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Speaker 1: camp Fort de Soto. He's been running ever since he
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Speaker 1: left Wyoming. Well, okay, so Del listen, tell me something
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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, please, you're the high profile
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Speaker 1: lawyer and the former FBI agent. I know he's on
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Speaker 1: the run. That's why we are together right now, because
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry is on the run. My question to you,
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Speaker 1: Del Carson, is how come Dog the Bounty Hunter knows
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Speaker 1: about it and the fans don't know about it. He's
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Speaker 1: not afraid of a mic, as you said, and the
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Speaker 1: result is he's out kicking around in the dirt tried
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Speaker 1: to find you're willing to talk to them before they're
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Speaker 1: willing to talk to a law enforce because they're concerned.
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Speaker 1: If they talk to law enforcement, they're got to be
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Speaker 1: a witness, and nobody wants to be a federal witness
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Speaker 1: for anything. Okay, you know what that sounds like excuses
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Speaker 1: to me, Del Carson. And I appreciate that you're taking
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Speaker 1: up for your old compagures over at the FBI, and
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Speaker 1: I have all the respect for them. But Cheryl will
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Speaker 1: call that's that's a complete load of bs. Now that's
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Speaker 1: a technical legal term, but I want to give you
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Speaker 1: the Latin interpretation of that. But Cheryl, what they didn't
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Speaker 1: tell the fans because they were afraid that's not right. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter has found something the fans either
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Speaker 1: found and discounted or didn't find. Cheryl, Well, let's just
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Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, the dog is excellent at his job.
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Speaker 1: He finds fugitives for a livin and he's good at it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna state something that's probably pretty obvious, but
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Speaker 1: I ain't heard nobody say it, so I want to
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Speaker 1: say it. The number of mistakes that Brian Laundry made
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Speaker 1: from when the police were called when he's slapping her
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Speaker 1: to the van is spotted in its own video. He
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Speaker 1: sends a bogus text message that nobody believes that Gaby
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Speaker 1: said he left her body in the wide open we believe.
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Speaker 1: Then he drove his van straight to his mama's house.
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Speaker 1: Then he's outside where everybody can see him, not looking
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Speaker 1: for not concerned. Since September eleventh, he's made no mistakes.
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Speaker 1: That leads me to know somebody helped him, plan, execute,
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Speaker 1: and get ghosts. That is very insightful. There were a
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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes up until September eleven, and I guaran Tee,
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Speaker 1: you Karen start joining me, renowned psycho psychologists joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. That every day that passes, the parents
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Speaker 1: are like he made it. Another day he's ten miles further.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that they are looking at that
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Speaker 1: calendar every day because the further away he gets, the
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Speaker 1: less likely he is ever going to be caught, Karen,
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Speaker 1: I don't care what the parents, the lawyer is saying.
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Speaker 1: East parents have clearly helped him to get away. They
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Speaker 1: were not forthcoming. There was a lawyer immediately. Now we
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Speaker 1: hear about these trips. A neighbor spotted them, and I
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Speaker 1: am sure that they do not want their son clot
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Speaker 1: and they are helping him. And please, just like you said,
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Speaker 1: we believe that they that he can't be found. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. And remember, everybody on the panel, if
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Speaker 1: you've got a thought, don't hold back. Jump in all right,
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Speaker 1: fancy that was quick? Okay, I think sorry, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: is that Massasaiti? Yeah? Can I just say that I'm
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Speaker 1: so happy to find out that you're a tiny bit
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Speaker 1: rude like the rest of us. Jump in what because
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Speaker 1: you're right there on the same tell me. Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: just really quick. The laundry parents left this morning on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: around eight thirty in the morning and their red truck
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Speaker 1: and they've just now returned home. And the protesters are back.
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Speaker 1: The protesters that have been showing up on the hour
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Speaker 1: all day yesterday, screaming with the bullhorns. They're back on scene.
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Speaker 1: Just wanted to give you back go ahead. You know
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Speaker 1: they've got to go out for Errand's. But the last time,
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Speaker 1: one of the last times they went out, many people
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Speaker 1: they had Brian laundry stuffed in the trunk. Climb stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Okay, Joe Scott, I want to analyze
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Speaker 1: do we think he's at Fort DeSoto? Could Dwayne Chapman
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Speaker 1: aka Dog be correct? And if so, how does he
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Speaker 1: know this? And the FBI doesn't. They're not out there searching,
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Speaker 1: which tells me they're not buying into his theory that
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Speaker 1: three people went in, two people went out. But I
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Speaker 1: am wondering because of all of those little islands that
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Speaker 1: you can very easily get to. Did they do a
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Speaker 1: drop Did they go there and leave a tent, prevent visions, money,
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Speaker 1: a burner phone for him to come back to and
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Speaker 1: get hang on, hang on. You didn't mention the one
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Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about. Did they did they send him
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Speaker 1: there with a single person? Kayak started looking at the
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Speaker 1: map around this area. I started looking at this and
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, you can run down to
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Speaker 1: Walmart or Target or any number of the big box stores,
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Speaker 1: and you can actually buy these single person kayaks. And
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Speaker 1: of course they've got them for the beach, you know
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Speaker 1: down in Florida, Bob paddle and you know you're talking
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Speaker 1: about two trips. Well, you assess what you need. And
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at these various islands that you can access
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Speaker 1: out there. You've got summer resort key, You've got saw
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Speaker 1: your key, You've got yo down. Okay, did you say
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Speaker 1: summer resort key, summer resort key, yep, saw your key.
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Speaker 1: It's like Tom sister key. Let's see, we've got shell key.
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Speaker 1: There's any number of these nancy that are out there.
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Speaker 1: And you know, for folks that don't understand, because I did,
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Speaker 1: you don't really understand what the difference between a key
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Speaker 1: and a and an island is. I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I still do. It looks like an island to me.
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Speaker 1: It's but it's it's the area. There's kind of like
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Speaker 1: these sand flats that are all around it, and it's
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Speaker 1: kind of low growth vegetation on there. I would think
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Speaker 1: that it'd be kind of easy because these things are
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Speaker 1: always wind swept. It'd be kind of easy to appreciate
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Speaker 1: anybody that's out there. Nancy, and I was thinking something
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Speaker 1: that Dale had mentioned and we had talked about a
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Speaker 1: couple of days ago. You begin to think about the
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Speaker 1: FED their assets that are flying over these areas and halos,
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Speaker 1: and they've got infrared on there. I think that these
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Speaker 1: areas will be kind of easy to cover and assess
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Speaker 1: if this is a human or if this is some
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Speaker 1: other kind of animal that's out there. So I would
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Speaker 1: imagine that he's got a head start, doesn't he. And
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Speaker 1: when you look just to just to the east, you
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Speaker 1: got the two seventy five corridor, that's an interstate highway connectivity.
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Speaker 1: You hop on seventy five be we're in the country.
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Speaker 1: I don't see him in a car unless he's changed
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Speaker 1: his appearance, and I'm wondering if that's already happened. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCall him. I guess the first thing he should do,
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Speaker 1: if he hasn't already done it, is shave his beard,
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Speaker 1: get rid of any obvious signs of tattoos and any
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Speaker 1: piercings that would identify him. That's all I can think
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Speaker 1: of right off the bat. Or don I'm going to
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Speaker 1: grow his hair out so he didn't look in diet.
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Speaker 1: He could blend in with the homeless very easily. And lord,
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Speaker 1: I don't see him in any major metropolitan area where
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Speaker 1: homeless or congregating. I don't see that. I think he's
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Speaker 1: he's out there in the wind. And here's another Let
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Speaker 1: me just throw you another curveball. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut one seventy seven. This is Dwayne Chapman speaking
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Speaker 1: to Fox News. Now. I understand a number of the
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Speaker 1: leads have suggested check out the Appalachia and Trail. Why
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Speaker 1: is that, Well, the leads us have said that, and
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Speaker 1: the reason is because he spent a couple months there
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Speaker 1: in the past. And he is an outdoorsman. So he's
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Speaker 1: got t shirts on his social media with the mountains,
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Speaker 1: he's got pictures, he's been there before. So he's very young.
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Speaker 1: He's not an experienced criminal. He'll do what he should do.
22:27
Speaker 1: He can't stay and shoplift and stay in cheap motels
22:31
Speaker 1: or rob people like a lot of people that I chase.
22:36
Speaker 1: This kid is an outdoorsman, so I think he went
22:38
Speaker 1: to again where he's comfortable to the outdoors too. You
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Speaker 1: Kieran Stark and New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan.
22:47
Speaker 1: You and I have noted that in many, many cases,
22:49
Speaker 1: people go where they're comfortable. Here's an example. Scott Peterson
22:54
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with Lacy Peterson's body. He's
22:57
Speaker 1: a fisher person. He gets in that any boat that
23:00
Speaker 1: he kept a secret from everybody. He goes fishing out
23:04
Speaker 1: in San Francisco Bay. He leaves the marina that he's
23:07
Speaker 1: familiar with and dumps her body. A jury believed it,
23:11
Speaker 1: and so do I. He knew what he was doing.
23:14
Speaker 1: He was comfortable there. That's an example, and very often,
23:18
Speaker 1: in fact, frequently you see criminals go back to the
23:23
Speaker 1: scene of the crime, or they go somewhere they're comfortable.
23:26
Speaker 1: If this guy has hide the Appalachian Trail, that would
23:29
Speaker 1: be a sure far place that needs to be investigated.
23:34
Speaker 1: Just like Eric Rudolph Karin Stark, I agree, Nanswy, he's
23:37
Speaker 1: going to go to someplace where he can survive because
23:42
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a phone, he doesn't have his wallet,
23:46
Speaker 1: and he certainly knows how to exist in the worlderness.
23:49
Speaker 1: We know that, and so I how could he go
23:52
Speaker 1: to a metropolitan area and be able to camp out
23:57
Speaker 1: and do what he's used to doing. But needs to
24:00
Speaker 1: be out in the wilderness and beat up for a
24:02
Speaker 1: very long time and do row watch his foyte. That's
24:07
Speaker 1: what he knows how to do that. Sr. McCall, I
24:09
Speaker 1: think that was huge. J Yes, I was gonna say, Nancy.
24:12
Speaker 1: They always go where they know and where they're comfortable,
24:16
Speaker 1: and just like Eric Robert Rudolph, he's going to be
24:19
Speaker 1: caught only when he makes a mistake. Most people when
24:23
Speaker 1: they go to the Appalachian Trail, they stay on the trail.
24:27
Speaker 1: I've done part of it myself. I didn't veer off
24:29
Speaker 1: the trail hardly at all. Is he's twenty yards off
24:33
Speaker 1: that trail, seventy five yards off that trail. Ninety percent
24:37
Speaker 1: of the people will never see him. They won't and
24:41
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to hide literally very close
24:44
Speaker 1: to other camp sites and primitive campsites and other people.
24:48
Speaker 1: He will gather things that people leave behind, He'll steal
24:52
Speaker 1: some food here and there while people are sleeping, and
24:54
Speaker 1: he's going to keep it moving. He's gonna be very
24:57
Speaker 1: difficult to find. Jeff And just yeah, Nancy, I lived
25:01
Speaker 1: along the Appalachian Trail up in Delonaga, Georgia for almost
25:04
Speaker 1: a decade. And this is the one This is the
25:07
Speaker 1: one piece of this why I think that if he
25:09
Speaker 1: was there, he could potentially be spotted. People that walk
25:12
Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail, the ATC, that's how they refer to
25:16
Speaker 1: it as are very close knit community. These people are
25:19
Speaker 1: aware of one another, they know where all the stops are.
25:22
Speaker 1: And Cheryl's right, he would have to forage essentially to
25:26
Speaker 1: live up there. He's got to stick his head out.
25:29
Speaker 1: This guy is on the radar. People that are walking
25:32
Speaker 1: up down that trail, they're going to have an awareness
25:34
Speaker 1: of this. And he is very distinctive, Nancy, in his appearance. Okay,
25:39
Speaker 1: he will show, he will stand out from everybody else.
25:43
Speaker 1: And also if he is underprepared in any way, maybe
25:46
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the right right clothing this word thing.
25:48
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, he's coming up from Florida, Nancy. Guess what,
25:52
Speaker 1: It's September now. Okay, temperatures have already started to dip.
25:56
Speaker 1: He's going to survive out there. How's he going to
25:57
Speaker 1: do that? Well, he's gonna need it's a lot different
26:00
Speaker 1: at that elevation. He's going to need cool weather clothing
26:03
Speaker 1: and on into coal weather. Thought of that, are you kidding?
26:07
Speaker 1: Of course she thought of that and del Carson. Former
26:11
Speaker 1: FBI agent Joe Scott says he wants he will that
26:15
Speaker 1: he will stand out. I don't think he will stand out.
26:19
Speaker 1: He'll have on me to clothes so not to a
26:22
Speaker 1: jaw attention to himself. He'll be wearing a hat. Listen,
26:25
Speaker 1: what Roger was saying is so true. And look, we
26:29
Speaker 1: need to evaluate what he'd left at home and what
26:33
Speaker 1: he took. If he took insulated long wear, then he's
26:37
Speaker 1: headed north. If he took masks and a fenn, he's
26:41
Speaker 1: headed south. And that's the kind of investigation. If there's
26:44
Speaker 1: a book shelf with everything on it except the San
26:48
Speaker 1: Juan directions, then it's a clue. And that amalgamation of
26:54
Speaker 1: clues is what's going to lead to where he went.
26:57
Speaker 1: And the parents have to notice, did he take staples
27:00
Speaker 1: with him where he left? These are a twenty five
27:03
Speaker 1: pound bag of rice, now been replaced in the family home.
27:18
Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. I can tell you right
27:22
Speaker 1: now what I packed in the twins backpack today. It
27:27
Speaker 1: involved fresh grapes that I washed and pulled off for
27:32
Speaker 1: them and called on those little those little rice crispy
27:38
Speaker 1: treats individually packed. So if I know that and they're
27:43
Speaker 1: only going to be gone for a few hours to school,
27:46
Speaker 1: you want to tell me Mommy and Daddy didn't buy
27:49
Speaker 1: him the right kind of clothing, provisions, money, the works.
27:55
Speaker 1: What about it? Joe Scott, Well, yeah, you say they
27:57
Speaker 1: got him the right clothes and everything. Were going to
28:00
Speaker 1: buy winter clothes in Florida this time of year? I
28:03
Speaker 1: think that's my question them. Off are they to Dix
28:09
Speaker 1: because they have winterwar year round all the time for
28:14
Speaker 1: people that go adventuring. And what about Amazon? Hello, Actually,
28:19
Speaker 1: that's a great idea for them to get the Amazon
28:24
Speaker 1: information and see if anything was ordered. That would be
28:27
Speaker 1: a really good idea. Hey, Mazza SAIDI joining me there
28:30
Speaker 1: in Florida. I don't know if you remember or it's
28:33
Speaker 1: still ongoing. The cult Mom Laurie Valle case. She really
28:37
Speaker 1: tripped up by ordering her wedding dress and ring on
28:42
Speaker 1: her dead husband's Amazon account before the wedding, before her
28:48
Speaker 1: new groom's current wife, Tammy day Belle had even died.
28:52
Speaker 1: See that's a bad look, wouldn't you agree? In fact,
28:55
Speaker 1: to the point of being probitive at trial. You order
28:58
Speaker 1: your wedding dress and wedding ring, and your groom's wedding
29:02
Speaker 1: outfit for a beach wedding. Then two weeks later, your
29:07
Speaker 1: boyfriend's wife dies in her sleep and you two take
29:10
Speaker 1: off and you wear those clothes at your beach wedding
29:14
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Sounds like premeditation. I think they need to
29:19
Speaker 1: be all up in the parents Amazon account. Yeah, so
29:23
Speaker 1: they did conduct First, they conducted a search warrant on
29:29
Speaker 1: electronic devices that were in the van. They went ahead
29:33
Speaker 1: and did that. I believe it was about a week ago.
29:35
Speaker 1: Then they went in and they got a search warrant
29:38
Speaker 1: for the laundry family home. They spent a long time there,
29:42
Speaker 1: going in and out with evidence boxes. So I imagine,
29:47
Speaker 1: first of all, we do have winter clothes here, as
29:49
Speaker 1: Nancy said in Florida, so you can buy some warm
29:52
Speaker 1: weather clothes here right now. But yeah, obviously I believe
29:55
Speaker 1: that the FBI would certainly be and you know, you
29:58
Speaker 1: have experts to can speak to this better than I can,
30:00
Speaker 1: but they certainly would be monitoring any sort of financial
30:04
Speaker 1: activity of the family. If they were I guess uncareful
30:09
Speaker 1: enough us to go out to the local Walmart and
30:12
Speaker 1: buy a canoe and to buy a bunch of clothes.
30:15
Speaker 1: That that is information that I would suspect the FBI
30:19
Speaker 1: would be aware of and something that they would look into.
30:22
Speaker 1: Let's just say his family knew on the twenty eighth
30:25
Speaker 1: or twenty ninth when he was driving home. There's an issue.
30:28
Speaker 1: You mean Gabby's dead body. You're calling that an issue.
30:30
Speaker 1: But okay, you say Tomato, I say, Tomato, go ahead.
30:34
Speaker 1: That their son is involved in something hideous and heartbreaking. Yes,
30:40
Speaker 1: but I'm sure he lied to them in the beginning,
30:42
Speaker 1: and slowly the truth came out. So that's why I'm
30:44
Speaker 1: saying they immediately when he supposedly allegedly went hiking, he
30:50
Speaker 1: left behind his wallet and phone. Again, he's being told
30:54
Speaker 1: leave these things behind so that you're not detected. He's
30:58
Speaker 1: got help where he's not making mistake to anymore. They
31:01
Speaker 1: would have used back roads. No LPRs are going to
31:03
Speaker 1: hit on those roads. They're going to use cash. If
31:06
Speaker 1: they were to have gone to Walmart and bought the
31:10
Speaker 1: kayak in a lantern in flashlights and handwarmers and that
31:13
Speaker 1: sort of thing, and they would have used self checkout,
31:16
Speaker 1: they wouldn't even have another person see them. This person
31:20
Speaker 1: that's helping him, which I personally believe as his mother
31:23
Speaker 1: has not made one mistake. She's been ahead of everybody
31:29
Speaker 1: four weeks and has played this thing almost perfectly. Okay,
31:34
Speaker 1: del Carson. Look, he's an outdoorsman. He has all that
31:38
Speaker 1: gear in his house. You buy stuff in preparation for
31:42
Speaker 1: those kinds of journeys if you're an out endorsement. So
31:46
Speaker 1: all that stuff's already in his house. He doesn't have
31:48
Speaker 1: to go out and buy anything. He just has to
31:51
Speaker 1: select what he's going to take. And that's the evidence
31:54
Speaker 1: that will tell us which way he went, because you
31:57
Speaker 1: look at an inventory of stuff, and if he took
31:59
Speaker 1: in slated under where, well here's the same Dell Carson.
32:03
Speaker 1: That's great in a perfect world, But sadly, I don't
32:06
Speaker 1: think we have a before and aftershot of what's in
32:09
Speaker 1: the home before September eleven and what's not in the
32:13
Speaker 1: home today. So that's not that's not going to happen,
32:16
Speaker 1: So don't say that anymore. I wish you would happen,
32:19
Speaker 1: and you're right, but I don't think that's possible that
32:23
Speaker 1: we can find out what they had before September eleven,
32:26
Speaker 1: when Gabby was reported missing. Uh, Normally I would think
32:30
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, but we don't. I don't think
32:32
Speaker 1: that's going to be possible. What about money withdrawals? What
32:37
Speaker 1: about money with drawls? Massa said, joining me there in Florida,
32:40
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just ATM I mean like going
32:43
Speaker 1: to the bank and getting it out of the bank
32:46
Speaker 1: in person. I don't know what kind of a trail
32:50
Speaker 1: that would leave, but definitely a trail to if they
32:55
Speaker 1: paid in cash, showed that they're taking out quantities of cash.
32:59
Speaker 1: I mean, I doubt this is anything that the FBI
33:01
Speaker 1: haven't already thought of, but hey, now a dog the
33:04
Speaker 1: bounty hunter coming out with something significant information, conceivably out
33:10
Speaker 1: of four DeSoto. I don't know what the fans are doing, Massa. Yeah,
33:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I think regardless of how much of a
33:16
Speaker 1: head start they had, you know, the whole country, nobody
33:18
Speaker 1: was looking at this. Certainly before September, she wasn't even
33:22
Speaker 1: declared a missing person, and they had so much time
33:25
Speaker 1: to work on this. If it's true that they in
33:28
Speaker 1: fact did assist him in any way, I do want
33:31
Speaker 1: to just point out they did release a statement yesterday
33:33
Speaker 1: that they don't know where he is they're concerned to
33:35
Speaker 1: hope that FBI can find him. That was a statement
33:37
Speaker 1: the parents released through their attorney. But it would be
33:40
Speaker 1: hard to imagine, Nancy, that they could, you know, cover
33:45
Speaker 1: up everything. They're not criminal masterminds here. If they do
33:50
Speaker 1: have any wrongdoing in the ends here, I will tell
33:52
Speaker 1: you if you even go by the parents' own timeline here,
33:56
Speaker 1: even according to the parents, if you believe what they say,
34:00
Speaker 1: September fourteenth is the last time that they saw Brian Laundry.
34:04
Speaker 1: So he's been gone, even by the parents' account, for
34:07
Speaker 1: exactly two weeks today, and if you want to believe
34:11
Speaker 1: what dogs the bounty hunter is saying, it's been much
34:13
Speaker 1: longer than that. I would be one two three weeks
34:16
Speaker 1: tomorrow that he's been gone, so a significant headstart, but
34:19
Speaker 1: definitely they would leave the trail regardless. I believe, Okay,
34:23
Speaker 1: final fought what about a Dell Carsons. Look, I think
34:26
Speaker 1: that it's going to be the FBI that searched the
34:29
Speaker 1: house twice now, which is unusual, to look for things
34:34
Speaker 1: that were either left behind or taken, and that's the
34:37
Speaker 1: way we ultimately determine where he went. And of course
34:42
Speaker 1: the parents know the answer to that question, because, as
34:45
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, those people are there watching what their
34:50
Speaker 1: son does. They would have supplied him with not only money,
34:54
Speaker 1: but food supplies and those sorts of things. And that's
34:57
Speaker 1: why they're not worried in the least that the FBI
35:00
Speaker 1: and everybody else in the world's out looking for their son.
35:03
Speaker 1: Karen start I agree, Nancy. I feel like the clue
35:08
Speaker 1: what everybody needs to concentrate on are the parents that's
35:12
Speaker 1: so connected to this. And unfortunately, he really could survide
35:17
Speaker 1: out there. We know that. So let's just hope he
35:21
Speaker 1: trips up somehow or the parents give something away. Cheryl McCollum.
35:25
Speaker 1: He will trip himself up. He will make a mistake
35:28
Speaker 1: because he will not have his mama guiding him, and
35:32
Speaker 1: eventually his parents are going to be arrested as accessories.
35:35
Speaker 1: After the fact, they deny all wrongdoing. Just Goot Morgan, Hey,
35:39
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Nancy, dad is a business owner. He's
35:42
Speaker 1: probably got multiple LLCs. I think that the FBI needs
35:46
Speaker 1: to start shaking the trees when it comes to finances
35:50
Speaker 1: and relative to how they're getting him money. It's not
35:53
Speaker 1: going to come from their personal accounts. It's going to
35:55
Speaker 1: come from some kind of business account in my opinion,
35:57
Speaker 1: good thanking Massa said each any mean they're in Florida.
36:01
Speaker 1: I know they search is scaling back at Carlton Reserve
36:04
Speaker 1: and the FBI staying they are now focusing more on
36:07
Speaker 1: quote intelligence. I wonder what that means, any idea. You know?
36:14
Speaker 1: We did see when the search starts from reserved twenty
36:18
Speaker 1: five thousand acres of the Northport entrance is near where
36:21
Speaker 1: the family's house was. That's where they were initially searching.
36:24
Speaker 1: Then they moved over to the Venice side. That's where
36:26
Speaker 1: we saw the huge search effort happening. All quiet this morning.
36:31
Speaker 1: We did have our chopper go over the scene. Nobody
36:33
Speaker 1: is searching there right now. Water is a significant issue.
36:37
Speaker 1: The rain has gotten worse, the flooding has gotten worse
36:40
Speaker 1: in the past few days. So we don't know if
36:42
Speaker 1: that's what has stopped them from searching, but as far
36:45
Speaker 1: as we can see, no searches are being conducted there
36:48
Speaker 1: this morning. I will tell you Nancy that I really
36:50
Speaker 1: think the public is going to be key here moving forward.
36:53
Speaker 1: As you know, the YouTubers were the ones who helped
36:56
Speaker 1: locate Gabby's body, and I think now that dogs a
36:59
Speaker 1: bounty hunter. I've told the world about this lead at
37:02
Speaker 1: Fort Tosta Park. I think you're going to see in
37:05
Speaker 1: the coming days people that have been at that park
37:08
Speaker 1: starts to come forward, and I think we could get
37:10
Speaker 1: answers there that way. One eight hundred call FBI one
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Speaker 1: eight hundred, two two five, five three two four The
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Speaker 1: Search for Brian Laundry Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,