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NYPD Police Officer Sherrie Price Clark · NYPD Through The Looking Glass

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: In April of ninety-three, a suspect arrested for heroin possession grabbed a gun in the 70 Station House bathroom and shot two police officers.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I remember that well.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I had just I was home and it was, I think it was late afternoon, and then one female cop had arrested a guy and it was three strikes.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: He had nothing to lose.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you you bring in a prisoner, um, and it was a female cop, you put your gun in the locker, you know, and so you you don't have a gun on you.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, she's in the rest processing room, and you know, he's in the cell, and he kept saying he had to go to the bathroom.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: So another cop who was smaller came in, and uh, because he was mild, she said, Hey, would you mind taking my prisoners to the bathroom?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it was right next door to the rest processing room.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Sure.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: He had his gun on him and a revolver.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: So he took them, and when they were in the bathroom, the guy overwhelmed the cop, took his gun out, shot him four times, and now the female cops in the processing room, she hears the gunfire, she knows, she knows.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: She goes running out, no vest on, no gun, she goes run into the bathroom, he turns four out of six shots and used on this other cop, and he pointed at her, and I guess just knee jerk, you just put your hand in front of your face or something.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: So the bullet went through her hand into her head, and then he used the last one on himself.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: So um they both they both survived, Vic.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: They both lived, thankfully.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: The female went on to have kids.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is former NYPD police officer, award-winning author, publisher, and true crime podcaster, Sherry Price Clark.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sherry, welcome to the show.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Vic, for having me here.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm really excited, but looking forward to it.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sherry, please tell our listeners a little something about yourself.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, I am a uh I have a publishing company and I work with authors a lot of law enforcement officers to help tell their stories because, you know, cops have the best stories.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I work with them to help them tell their stories.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: I work with them to publish their book, to market the book if they need to go on a podcast.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we cover the whole gamut.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you grew up in Tennessee.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: What made you join the New York City Police Department?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: I actually moved up to New York City, believe it or not, to work for the Disney Channel.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, so I loved the Disney Channel, but I also met some NYPD cops, hung out with them, became friends with them, and they they really they they were really encouraging me to go forth in this because I always have loved law enforcement or detective stories or mysteries.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when I was a little girl, my favorite shows were Scooby-Doo and Josie and the Pussycats.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I couldn't watch, I just remember eating Captain Crunch on Saturday mornings and watching those shows.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get into, and I you know, became an avid reader.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: And but the the books I really loved were the mystery books and the detective novels.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: So when I had that opportunity, I applied.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And what did you come on the job?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: 91.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: So for a kid from Tennessee, I mean, most NYPD cops grew up in New York City's five boroughs, Long Island, upstate New York.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're coming from Tennessee.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: How did you find the police academy?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you think about it?
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, that's really funny because yeah, I got a lot like because I had a really southern accent back then, like I don't now, right?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: And people are like, what?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: What do you say?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: But um the academy was great.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was great as much as you learned.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I knew when I joined, I was determined.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was going to make it through everything.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I I remember running that gym in my tennis shoes, sneakers or whatever that really what didn't offer good support and getting shin splants.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remember running and running and running.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I would, oh my gosh, those shin splints hurt.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I would not complain, I would not whimper, I would not even tell anybody because back in those days, you know, females were coming on the job, but still I think it was looked at as to, you know, they they were the weaker, weaker vessel.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to prove them right.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I kept running and running and running.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: So um, but I I learned a lot in the academy, and I actually graduated, uh, I was in transit, and I graduated uh number one in transit and number two overall in the recruits of 2200 recruits.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Mayor gave me a gun on stage.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was quite an honor, but yeah, it was um it was quite a memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, after the police academy, transit cops go to subway school.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: How did you find that?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I thought that was okay.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I totally enjoyed the actual subway compared to the subway school.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you're telling somebody from Tennessee.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I just kept hearing third rail, third rail, don't touch that third rail.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: What transit district were you assigned to after your training?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh District 2, downtown Manhattan.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we huh?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: What did that cover?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: It covered all the way from underneath the World Trade Center when it stood back in the day up into Times Square.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a pretty it, you know, it covered uh big distance, and you know, those those were some interesting days.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Were you solo patrol or did you have a partner most of the time?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was solo patrol.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I started off with the my FTO and a couple of us rookies, two or three, and we would go with them.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then after the FTO period was over, it was basically you're the rookie, you're gonna work the bad hours, you know, uh eight at night to four in the morning, of course, you know, midnight tours and stuff.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: And those were not good times because the radio didn't work most of the time, and you were by yourself.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: What was the scariest thing that happened in the subway system?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the scariest.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um I want to say I was by myself and I was uh uh on a platform and it was, I don't know, it was some wee hour in the morning, and literally no one was there but me and this one really big guy.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way he was acting, the way he was dressed, you know, I I'm thinking he probably lived there.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he started yelling at me and he started cursing at me.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, so I was just trying to, you know, do my thing, do my patrol, but he's got up and he was coming for me.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I remember standing there thinking, okay, inventory about.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I have my flashlight, I have my pepper spray, I have my baton, I have my gun.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Which am I going to be able to use against this big old guy?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he was coming, and then I heard footsteps and I turned behind me and I turned around and it just happened stance, another rookie showed up.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he was a big rookie.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: I tell you what, I thought, wow, I knew singing and dancing wasn't going to work, and I was so glad to see this guy, and everything turned out to be okay.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: New York City's got a huge homeless population, and the homeless can be ingenious.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: They either rig things up or they run scams to survive on the street.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have any stories dealing with the homeless population in the subway?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had we dealt with a lot of them in the subway, and that being one of them, but I can't recall ever going down into a station without coming across them.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I don't have any personal stories of stuff dealing with them.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there were times I would actually have a conversation because I was really curious.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you, if I knew that they were in the right mind, uh, pretty much, I'd I'd ask them how they get to this point?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what happened in their life?
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: I carry on conversations with them.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember the first time on my first day of patrol, and we were heading to the subway, and I was with my FTO, and there was a guy there, he was home, he had a dog, of course, the dog got my heart, and he wanted money.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I reached in to get him, and my FTO slapped my hand.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Don't you do that?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Because there's a lot of times they'll use that money, go buy drugs and liquor.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, if you want to help them, buy a sandwich, buy a cup of coffee.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I remembered that story, and I didn't.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I just walked by and I kept that in the back of my mind.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: We when you were in transit, did you have any space cases or suicide jumpers?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, fortunately.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was glad that that that didn't happen.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been a bad, but uh, we did learn all about them in the academy.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, coming from Tennessee, I'm sure you were quite surprised by the s size of the rats living in the subway system.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, those rats had hips.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, huge.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, is that a dog?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, in Tennessee, you know what, you know, they they do to dog stuff.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it was like, I got used to it.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um, there were quite a few little critters like that in there.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Can you remember the funniest or most outrageous thing that happened to you as a rookie cop?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, funny.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is a yeah, yeah.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I got one just came.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I had a sergeant, and he was he was a tough guy.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: And something, I can't even remember the situation of the the rest, but something happened and we were chasing this guy, and he ended up the stairs, and we go up the stairs after him.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're following him, and I can't remember.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: The guy was getting away somehow, and my my sergeant was determined to catch that guy.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, just like in the movies, he took out his badge, held it up to a car that was passing by.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: The car stopped.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Get out, we're taking your car.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: He climbed in the driver's side, told me to get in.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I get in.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking, what the hell?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Here we are in somebody else's car chasing a bad guy down the street.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think back of that story, and it was just so funny.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: You got to commandeer your first car.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, how long were you a transit cop before you rolled over to the NYPD?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, sixteen, eighteen months, I think, something like that.
• 10:49
  unknown: Yeah.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's long enough to be a transit cop.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: I remember going home every day, and you'd blow your nose, and out came black steel dust in your lungs, in your ears, and I would think, I just know this cannot be healthy for someone.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, somehow, somewhere along the way down the line, it's gonna bite me.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's true.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nick, can you explain to our listeners what rolling over is and what the process is like?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when I came on, you didn't have a choice.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you were assigned housing, transit, or city.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you can at this time, if once you were on the job, and they made it easier as time went on, you could put in to go to, if you were in transit, to go to housing or city or city and go to transit or housing.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I had a really good friend who ended up, I worked with her in the 7-0.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: She went to my district too in transit.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so what happens is you you roll over and then you go back to the academy again.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you're there for about a week or two, and they go through just, you know, new training.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: I remember going up to the range, and that was about the time, you know, they'll collect guns and then they'll put them in a bonfire and they burn them.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: But they allowed us to shoot them.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: And we went through these guns.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Such a fun day at the range.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so then once you once you go through complete all your training, they, you know, they signed you to precinct, or else they signed you to precinct and you go through training.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mean I don't recall which came first, but that's what happened.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then you go to the precinct, and um you're now in that new division.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So would you after you rolled over, you went to Brooklyn's 7-0 precinct.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can you explain to our listeners what the neighborhood was like and what it covers the 7-0?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, at the time, the 7-0 in Brooklyn, it is it was uh Lawrence Avenue.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a block or two away from it.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was very close.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was the 6-6 precinct, very like on the line there.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we, our precinct station house, they I was told it had been condemned, but I I don't know.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: But it was um uh cerepal palsy foundation was around there.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: So there was a lot of people with cerepal palsy, but the precinct station house itself, it was kind of situated to the side, but it covered again Lawrence Avenue Ocean Parkway, it covered Flatbush, Northstrom, Prospect Park, and then it also covered what we call the alphabet streets.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think we went all the way down to Avenue O or P.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it that's where the Hasidic Jews were.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas the top two-thirds was your West Indians, you know, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, that bottom third was your Hasidic Jews.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: What was the biggest difference between that you noticed, because it's gonna it's coming at you quick, between being a transit cop and then now you're uh in a precinct?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one thing is the smell.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And because down in the subway, you you know, people just went to the bathroom right there.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the still dust, but you know, the the cops down there in the subway, I worked by myself.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was by myself.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know I would get myself into situations and the radio didn't work.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's when you learn how to sing and dance real quick.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And but when I came, I actually rolled over into 7-0 at the Crown Heights uh riots.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, wow, there's other cops around.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, I have someone to say something to.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I have a radio that works, so it was it was really good.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed it.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: I loved rolling over, I loved the city, I love the being upstairs, seeing life from that view from a law enforcement perspective, and the camaraderie and the folks there at the 7-0.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I loved the people at District 2, they were awesome, they were great cops.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I and when I was in transit, I worked with some of the best cops, and they were real, real good cops.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then I rolled over to 7-0 and I had that those people around.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: You you were involved in a couple of dangerous pursuits.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: Could you tell us about tell about tell us about them?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um one was uh I worked midnights in 7-0.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love it.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it was about six o'clock in the morning, and we it came over a radio that there was uh an armed robbery of a gas station, and they had big guns and shotguns and stuff like that.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they gave over a description of the car.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we're down there and we see a car that matches that description.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we're like, we'll go check it out.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we go behind it, we pull the you know, light siren, whoop, you know, it pulls over, we get out, we start approaching the car, and they shoot off like a bat out of hell.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, we run back to the car, my partner gets in the driver's seat, I get in the passenger seat, I start putting it over the radio, said hey Central, we're in pursuit, you know, and I start putting a description on the car.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so we chase the car, and the car goes around a corner, and when it does, the tire blows.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so they have the people getting away, they have nothing, they could they they have to get out.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: So they're running and they run in the backyard of somebody's house.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: So my partner chases after them, and in the middle of that yard was a um a shed.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so he chased that guy, runs around the shed like I don't even know where he thought he was going.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And my partner chases, and I just stood there waiting.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I have my gun drawn because he's supposed to be armed.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so anyway, he comes around that corner and he sees me standing there with my gun out.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm in position, I have it out, and he throws his hands up, and then um he starts putting his hand into his jacket.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh no.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I yelled, put your hands up, put your hands up, and it was getting super close.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And at the last second, he threw his hands up.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we arrest him, and later on when I was processing him, I'm like, you know, you why you were sticking your hand in your pocket, but you changed.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why why did you change?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Why did you change your mind?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because I saw your eyes.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, I knew that you would have shot me.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so, I mean, that was a situation that really could have turned out differently, and I'm glad it turned out the way it did.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Did he have a gun in his pants?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was reaching for a phone.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I told him, I said, dude, you do not know how dangerous that is.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got a cop stopping you and you're reaching to any kind of pocket, especially your coat, you know, we're and it's you were we were told you robbed or somebody like he robbed a gas station.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you better be glad.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't real super trigger happy with that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Did you guys have a lot of chases in the 7-0?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did a lot.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we would put it out and we'd have other precincts like the 6-7 would join us.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we had uh several pursuits.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh it was a hot and heavy place back in the 90s.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, every day it was unpredictable.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Every tour, every call was different.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: We handled everything from GLAs to murders to drugs, I mean, domestic violence disputes and even the little, you know, burglaries or alarms going off.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it was it was a crazy precinct.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: They had when you rolled out at midnight, as soon as you rolled out, you had jobs.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: They were holding jobs for you, waiting.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then you'd get back one disposition, and then they'd give you another one.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I would have to hold one just to go to the bathroom.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I because if I as soon as I get one back, there would be, and I loved it.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I loved the adrenaline, I love the action, I love patrol.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you do you remember your first homicide?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I remember, yeah, there were several homicides.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that was in transit, actually, my first day.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I remember we were we were, you know, out in Uniform for the first time going into a subway.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody was thinking anything of it.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was, you know, the two or three of us, whether FTO, we were talking.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was right after the thing when the homeless, you know, the guy with the homeless man told me not to give money.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we we go down.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're, I mean, there was no call coming over, there was nothing.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: We walked downstairs to the platform, and it was chaos.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And people were screaming, and we're like, what's going on?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there was a subway train stopped, and the doors were open, and it was a bloody mess in there.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: There had been a stabbing, and it had just happened.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: It had not even gone on the radio.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: We just kind of stumbled onto it, and so, you know, uh it again, it was just blood.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, our part was to stop people, interview them, not let them go, you know, potential witnesses and stuff like that.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: But they ended up, I learned that they had thrown the uh knife, knife, knives over the Brooklyn Bridge, because it was down there close to the Brooklyn Bridge.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they caught the guy.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, they never caught him.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I know of.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: They may have caught him later, but nobody ever said anything to me.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: So give me a couple of homicide stories from the 7-0.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I remember um the first time uh I we had a homicide that it happened, and I I happened to be there because I was patrol, but I remember one of the seasoned detectives taking me in and showing me how to investigate a room for a homicide.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the blood drops, the window pane, the death, you know, he was pointing all these things out.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I remembered, and I was just, you know, I I don't know, been on the job for about two years.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um another one I remembered it was the it was two drug dealers.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, one drug dark drug dealer was getting on the corner of another drug dealer's territory, and he came over and he said, if you don't leave, I'm gonna kill you.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the guy didn't pay attention, and that was bad for him because he walked over to him and he put a gun, he said, I told you, and so he he died.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the homicide.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it just it never in the job is just always going just because there is an arrest and there was an arrest.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it went to I remember going to trial and I remember having to show up and I was pregnant and testifying at that trial, and we didn't have stellar witnesses.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: We have other drug dealers and we had prostitutes.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's all that was there.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I don't think they were happy with that.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Have any nasty DOAs in the 7-0?
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I maybe.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can't recall any.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: We had DOAs.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember my first one I was taught to set sit on, and I just stared at that guy all night long.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, what the hell am I gonna do if he just sits up?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: I just stared, stared, stared.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: He never sat up.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: That was the good, you know, that was news.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you had to wait till the ME got there.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: It it's a weird thing sitting with the DOA because you're you're alone in their personal space a lot of times in their home.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I always just would look at pictures and stuff just to trying to get an idea of what this person was like before they cast.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: This guy was, I would say he was maybe in his early 30s.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, it was just um, and he just looked so he didn't look that.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was just sleeping there.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I just kept staring at him like, what am I gonna do?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this guy could sit up any moment now.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well well, Sherry, police work isn't always dangerous.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's it's ridiculous.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember some of your funniest calls in the 7-0?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I do.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: For some reason I was working at 4-12, and I was working with a guy, I I knew him, but I didn't know him.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: And um we were sitting there, he was in the driver's seat, I was in the passenger seat, and you know that this just doesn't really happen.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're sitting at a red light and someone gets into your car without being invited or put there.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so we're like, we turn around and this is a woman there, and you could tell she had fear all over her.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And all she kept saying is they put a curse on me, they put the curse on me, they put the curse on me.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we're looking at each other, I'm thinking, I never read about this as a patrol guide.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you do?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like the woman wouldn't get out of our car.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that was one, but a really funny one is again working midnights.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it because that's when the action was, but the traffic and the people, you know, it was it was quiet for the most part, except for the action.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so we got a call for an armed marker, and we are driving down Ocean Parkway.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: We're in pursuit.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I put on the radio, we're in pursuit, you know, and all of a sudden the car dies.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Just right there on Ocean Parkway.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: It just dies.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, the part of the couldn't start it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's dead, it won't start.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I go, okay, Central 1054, we, you know, here, you need a, you know, somebody to meet us here.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because everybody heard us put over the radio, we were pursued as armed robber.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: They all the cars, all the RMPs come, sectors came to the side to us, just stopped in the middle of the road and parked.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we had to have somebody like drive us back to the precinct because our car died.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: But that was crazy.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just remember saying, wow, nothing but the finest for the finest.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: They came across two two guys doing a uh had broken bottles and they were fighting.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh one one uh car took one guy, we were taking the other.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: He was a booger bear.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: I could calm him down, we couldn't put him in the backseat.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: He just fought and fault and fought.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: So we called ESU.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: They came and put one of those straight jacket, like I call them straight jacket.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what they call it, I don't remember what they call it, but it's from the foot to the top.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: From in the backseat.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he kept kicking and kicking and kicking that window despite being there.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking, dear God, are we gonna have a window by the time we get to the station house?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: But there was just so many funny incidents that you think, you know, you just can't make this stuff up.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, you can't.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And and you spent the majority of your career as uh in uniform, but you also used as a decoy uh for a serial rapist case.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, that's right.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I uh we had a serial rapist in the precinct, and um so we anyway, yeah, I became a decoy, worked with some really good guys as we, you know, we would get out there and do our decoy thing.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was um, it was kind of interesting doing that.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: As a female cop, you also got tasked a handful of times to do that operation losing proposition.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we I I worked on that um detail, and uh that turned out to be pretty an interesting result.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I got a John searched under the seat.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: He had a gun.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I took it and we arrested the guy and ended up, wow, it was tied to a gun trafficking ring.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that was, it happened that I it was like my last tour, and so I had three days off.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it was three days non-stop of overtime.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember just catching some sleep at the precinct station house, the riding ADA, you know, going down to, you know, Brooklyn and all that.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it was um it was really an interesting time.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was a gun and it led to a law.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: How lewd were some of those Johns?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I've heard stories from other female cops that that some of the people that that that approach these female cops dressed up as hookers can be really obnoxious.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: They were.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: They just came out, a lot of them just came out and don't do what they wanted.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, that's when, you know, AIDS were still a thing.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: And why would you suscept you know, your wife to something like this?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make any sense.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: So Sherry, you know, working in the 7-0, every now and then, off-duty cops get themselves involved in things.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: You you had an incident, a sad incident that involved an off-duty rookie cop.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: We were, it's about, I don't know, maybe six or six in the morning, seven in the morning, and we get a call for a jumper.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Really interesting story.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: And we go to the address, and we look, there's a body laying on the ground, and you look up, and you realize, you know, at some point that she had jogged from the bathroom window, and she was still alive.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think the bushes might have kind of did a little break more on the f on the on the fall.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem being is the boyfriend was there when that happened.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, did she jump or was she pushed?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, people went up there, but you know, it came down.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was a rookie cop, he was scared, he was traumatized, and the she had jumped from the bathroom window and the door had been locked.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, we couldn't figure out like how would he have gotten in there and then locked the door behind him.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we called the bus, and my boss says, get go with her to the hospital, get what you can, you know, information.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we go and she's talking, and I asked her three times, three times, were you pushed?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: And each time she said, no, I wasn't pushed.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I marked in my mama book, had all everybody in the back, you know, the ambulance.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I need I got their names, I got all their information.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I asked three times, and every time I put it in the book.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so we took her to Kings County Hospital, and then we went, you know, my got picked up, taken back to the precinct, and I got there and I get summons to the CO's office.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'll walk in, whoa, it was full of suits.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so you know, they're like, Well, you need to get an attorney.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, for what?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't do anything.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, I just was I I just responded.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, listen, I don't need an attorney.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Here's my memo book, here's all my notes.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, I didn't want that poor rookie cop because from what I saw, he he wasn't involved.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was traumatized from it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so anyway, they took my my uh memo book and uh, you know, never heard from it again.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Never did.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, again, it was one of those things like, you know, uh just make sure you document everything because I think it saved a lot of grief in that incident.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we had eyewitnesses to to her denying three times that she was pushed.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it's it's it's it's people for people that don't know, it's and you brought this up earlier about cops eating their own.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: The the NYPD, I mean, for them, you you responded to a job, and there you need a lawyer.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: For what?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I handled a call.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, you know, it's yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate the way the supervisors, I'm talking usually above the rank of lieutenant, treat cops.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I never got an attorney.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I didn't do anything wrong.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sherry, I did some research on newsworthy articles about incidents that occurred during your time in the 7-0 precinct.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna throw them, D and see if you remember them.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: In April of '93, a suspect arrested for heroin possession grabbed a gun in the 7-0 station house bathroom and shot two police officers.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I remember that well.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I had just, I was home and it was, I think it was late afternoon, and then one female cop had arrested a guy, and it was three strikes.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: He had nothing to lose.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you you bring in a prisoner, um, and it was a female cop, you put your gun in the locker, you know, and so you you don't have a gun on you.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, she's in the rest processing room, and you know, he's in the cell, and he kept saying he had to go to the bathroom.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: So another cop who was smaller came in, and uh, because he was male, she said, Hey, would you mind taking my prisoner to the bathroom?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it was right next door to the rest processing room.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Sure.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: He had his gun on him and a revolver.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: So he took them, and when they were in the bathroom, the guy overwhelmed the cop, took his gun out, shot him four times.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And now the female cops in the processing room, she hears the gunfire, she knows, she knows.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: She goes running down, no vest on, no gun, she goes run into the bathroom, he turns four out of six shots and used on this other cop, and he points it at her, and I guess just knee jerk, you just put your hand in front of your face or something.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: So the bullet went through her hand into her head, and then he used the last one on himself.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: So um they both they both survived, Vic.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: They both lived, thankfully.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: The female went on to have kids and everything.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember uh being, you know, working midnights, going to the hospital and sitting there in that room with her, and you know, they had to swell the brain and all that, yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And just sitting there watching her and you think about her and you know, hoping, you know, she survives in your own mentality.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I did that a long several nights in a row, and I started having nightmares about it because it was so close to home.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was it was just so close.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was right there in your precinct station house.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Things like that shouldn't happen in your precinct station house.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I remember it well.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, oh, I got another incident.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Clinton Odoms walked into a Brooklyn clinic where his ex-girlfriend worked, shot her dead, then he approached two rookie cops on Flatbush Avenue and said, I shot my wife and handed them his 380 uh handgun.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I do remember a little bit about that.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think a lot of times when I work you you work midnight, sometimes you're just you're not so in tune of of what I mean you hear what happens, but um it's like almost like you live in another world on Brooklyn midnights.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I do remember that that when you said that name, it was like, woohoo.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember the name.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that happening and the two cops, yeah.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Hand to come hand yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I gotta ask this question because you worked in the 7-0.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Were you in the precinct or working at the precinct around the time of the Abnalouima incident?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I actually was not.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: That was just before that happened.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's when I resigned, right before that happened.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't there.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I knew because they were midnight cops, I knew every one of them.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: I worked with every one of them, and it broke my heart.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was in such denial over it.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I remember when that hit the newspaper.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: I had done a midnight in, I was working in autocrime.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: We had done a midnight, we were working on a case, and I remember reading it and I said, There's no way this can be true.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is just so outrageous.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: These guys are gonna get cleared in 24 hours, and it just it just kept getting worse.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, uh Justin Volpe was the guy who the main guy, right?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, they were they were accusing him being racist and stuff, and I'd be like, his girlfriend's African American.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh it is like I I couldn't understand about that whole racist, but I you know, I read about it later, you know, online.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I read a court, and I I just oh my gosh, it it broke my heart.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I worked with them, I knew them well.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there were guys, there were guys that went that what absolutely had nothing to do.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think there was two guys from street crime, if memory serves me correctly, that were just processing a collar.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: And they wanted no part of it.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: They got the hell out of there, and I don't know if they lost their jobs, but I mean it was a thing.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like anybody, well, you know the way the job is.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: They don't go in with a scalpel, they go in with a hand grenade.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: And listen, I mean, Volpe should have been punished.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, no two ways about it, but I mean, just there was a lot of people that got went down with him, and it it's unfortunate.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: It it was.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: There were a lot of heads that rolled on that.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I had just I had just um re-resigned, I I mean like three days before.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and um I I just I you know, you hear about it, and it was it's international news, but then you hear about the people who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and how you know they were transferred.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they had just all kinds of um consequences for them.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh you thank goodness you weren't in the precinct or working when that happened, but you resigned, you started a successful book company, you become an author, you've got all these things going on.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: So tell us about your book company.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, that was not anything that I had was on my bucket list to do.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: I just started, I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom with my kids, and I started writing because I love to write, you know, you're a storyteller, I'm a storyteller.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: And one of my clients had just written a book, and he said, Hey, do you think you could edit her book?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I could do that.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I had not edited a book, but I had been studying it, and I learned you just don't say no.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't do it, you learn how to do it really quick and make sure you do it really well.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: So um that goes back to me and my PD days.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I I did her book and she liked it.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then one thing led to another, then like, oh, so more people started coming to me to edit their books, and I loved it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then they was like, Well, okay, well, we've got these edited books.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: How do we get them published?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know, but I'm gonna find out.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure enough, I went and found out how to get published, and we started, I started publishing and like, oh, you know, so-and-so wants to write a book, they don't have time.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: I can write it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I was writing books for other people and then marketing.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I started so they could sell more books or become a bestseller.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I developed a a bestseller program to help take books to bestseller status.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it, you know, it just like it wasn't just something I went looking for.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was things that just kept laying there.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: And my mother would always say, she was an entrepreneur, find a need and fill it.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Find the void and fill it.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: So um I I did, and then you know, we got it into podcasting.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the along the way, we won, uh, we were became an award-winning publisher.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I my own books and the books of others, I took to award-winning to best-selling status.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and now, you know, we started podcasting, and then I started a podcast with my good friend.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: She's an ATF agent called Criminally Good.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Criminally Good was Sherry and Jen.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we bring people on like you, Vic, authors, filmmakers that work in true crime.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we come on because we want to hear your backstory.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: I tell everybody, I am a backstory girl.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love the backstory because it helps me understand where you are now when I talk to you or when people talk to you, they connect more.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, Jennifer and I started this podcast, and last September we won an award for best podcast at a film festival, which was totally, we were.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I just went up there, I had no Septum speech, I just spewed whatever came out.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh my gosh, this is real.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we were uh we do two crumb podcasting and we love it called Cremely Good with Sherry and Jen.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I still have Storehouse Media Group.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's um and we still we're in our tenth year.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: And what's the name of your publishing company so potential authors that want to get their book published can find you?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Storehouse Media Group, and you can go to storehouse media group.com and we do everything from helping you write your book.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: You people want to do it, they just need guidance.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: We write your book, we can edit your book, we publish your book, uh, we bring you on podcasts to try to help get you know more people aware.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: We do social media, we do websites, we do everything.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: If it's books, we're there.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: And what's the name of your books?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Where are they available and where can our listeners pick up a copy?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have I have four books when I n my name, but I've written several more since then for other people.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: But my first book came out was Small Voices Silenced.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it was my journey, it was a memoir, my journey through the foster care system because I became a foster care parent.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I eventually adopted a little girl.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: But um I was it was really just to expose what they were doing in the foster care system.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I did it through my journey, through my memoir.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then I met up with a retired special agent from Florida Department Law Enforcement, and she came to me, she goes, she had 25 really prolific years.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: And she said, I wrote my story and she gave me three pages.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, I just don't know how to do it.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: I said, No, you got three books here.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote three books from her story.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: It they were awesome.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, uh Johnny Fisacci, that murder.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she really a lot of cases, Eileen Warnow, um, all those.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we I wrote her three books and we took those, every one of them went bestseller.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so those have my names on it, but there's a lot more out there that I've written that I can't talk about because people don't want people to know that I wrote their book.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: So someone goes to Amazon and they want to find your books, they could just put in your name, Sherry Price Clark.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or just Sherry Clark is what they'll probably be able to do, Sherry Clark, and they can find it.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think, I mean, I I do have a I think I have an Amazon page, but they could go uh Small Voices Silenced, that's one of them, uh, behind her Miami badge, behind her criminal investigator badge, uh behind um the third one was behind her uh investigator's badge, and there was a third one.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, those are books they can find with me in it or me writing about it.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: The first one I was in it, this last three, it was the uh special agent.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if YouTube will allow me, because sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, I'll have all your links in the comments section where all they gotta do is click.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes, for whatever reason, YouTube doesn't let me do it, and I have yet to get a straight answer of why that happens with some guests and others.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: So but Sherry Price Clark, thank you so much for spending your time with us today.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Vic, for having me.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was fun.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And as always, I'd like to thank everyone for tuning in, especially my listeners in Boise, Idaho, Greensboro, North Carolina, Saskatchewan, New Rochelle, New York, uh, New Fork, Utah, and the Fed, and Keith, the FedEx driver from Waco, Texas.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you work in law enforcement and had an interesting criminal background, please drop me a note on Twitter, Instagram at VicFarroy50.
• 43:39
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• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can't, if you enjoy the content, check out my Amazon author page.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Just type in my name, Vic for I like the car, where you can preview all my NYBD books for free.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks again, everyone, and I'll see you next week.