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Sharri | 16 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Wave on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Steve Price filling in for Shari.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back at six tomorrow night for the normal
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Speaker 2: Friday show and Shari marks and will be back with
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Speaker 2: you on Monday next week. Coming up on the program tonight,
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Speaker 2: Nationals leader Matt Canavan on our fuel crisis and the
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Speaker 2: disgraceful failures of consecutive governments to produce refined fuel domestically.
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Speaker 2: And I'll get Matt's reaction to a new South Wales
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Speaker 2: court decision late today finding in favor of the Palestine
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Speaker 2: Action Group and their rights to protest. The renewable energy
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Speaker 2: rollout has reached boiling point between developers and farmers in
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Speaker 2: Victoria today, and I'll take you to the frontline in
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Speaker 2: north central Victoria to find out what unfolded. Plus an
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Speaker 2: update on the Grifters tour with UK Royal reporter Victoria Ward. First, though,
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Speaker 2: talk about sitting back ignorantly kidding yourself. You can keep
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Speaker 2: our country that runs on diesel running by relying on
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Speaker 2: imports from various Asian nations. The finger pointing has started
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Speaker 2: with the war against Iran and the strangling of shipping lanes,
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Speaker 2: but both sides of politics that have run this country
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Speaker 2: for the past two decades should apologize to the Australian people. Australia,
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Speaker 2: it seems, could be conquered without a shot being fired.
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Speaker 2: And I'll get to this laughable defense spending update in
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Speaker 2: a moment, but I'm talking about political failure when it
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Speaker 2: comes to using the natural resources we in Australia have
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Speaker 2: been blessed with oil, coal, gas, uranium. Why has it
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Speaker 2: taken a global fuel crisis to wake up the sleepy
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Speaker 2: dopes running the nation that we were vulnerable to what
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Speaker 2: is exactly unfolding today before our very eyes now, With
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Speaker 2: rare exceptions the late Jim Moolon being one and the
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Speaker 2: odd national mp people like one Nations now Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: and Matt Canavan who will talk to later, we have
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Speaker 2: been fed along a path of blissful ignorance. A report
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Speaker 2: in Today's Australian reveals crude oil production was at its
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Speaker 2: lowest level on record in the four weeks before the
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Speaker 2: US and Israel launched their attacks on Iran. How do
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Speaker 2: we know this well, quite simply, the Energy Department on
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Speaker 2: the Quiet released data yesterday that shows that in July
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Speaker 2: twenty ten, crude oil production was at one thousand and
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Speaker 2: ninety two megleaters, and sixteen years later this February that
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Speaker 2: production had dropped by more than ninety percent to a
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Speaker 2: minuscule one hundred and seventy one mega leaders, the lowest
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Speaker 2: records could find. What a disgrace sixteen years of She'll
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Speaker 2: be right, mate, I'll talk to another loud voice in
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Speaker 2: this space shortly. But Nationals leader Matt Canavan. But seriously,
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Speaker 2: what were Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull,
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison and now Anthony Albanezi thinking how can you
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Speaker 2: run a country that relies on fuel? But sit back
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Speaker 2: and convince yourself, don't worry. The ships will keep coming.
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Speaker 2: No need to explore for our own oil. We'll just
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Speaker 2: keep the coffers full with profits from exporting gas and
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Speaker 2: cold and iron ore to other people. Well, now the
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Speaker 2: chickens are coming home to roost. And I note there
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Speaker 2: has even been a softening of the language out of
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Speaker 2: the Federal Labor government on the idea of oil exploration. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: in Queensland, the LNP under Premier Chris of fully Well
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Speaker 2: they want to get drilling.
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Speaker 1: Premier is this our drill, baby drill moment.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's our golden opportunity to tap into liquid gold matte.
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Speaker 1: That's what it is.
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Speaker 3: I want to see a time in this nation when
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Speaker 3: we return to drilling and refining and storing our own fuel,
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Speaker 3: and the fact that we don't has left us at
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Speaker 3: the mercy of the end of a global supply chain.
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Speaker 2: Those figures release you today are quite staggering. Sixteen years ago,
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Speaker 2: over thirty percent of the oil used to create fuel
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Speaker 2: in local refineries was Australian. By February this year that
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Speaker 2: was eight point eight percent. How and why Back on
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Speaker 2: in twenty ten, we imported one than four hundred and
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Speaker 2: forty nine point one Mega leaders of refined fuel products.
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Speaker 2: By February this year that number had almost tripled to
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Speaker 2: four t one thousand, one hundred and twenty four liters
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Speaker 2: Mega leaders. And what did Chris Bowen say when asked
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Speaker 2: about this national disgrace? He said, quote, Australia had had
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Speaker 2: limited identified conventional oil resources which are being depleted at
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Speaker 2: a faster rate than they are being replaced by new discoveries.
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Speaker 2: End of quote. Well, minister, any wonder when you are
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Speaker 2: the Energy and Climate change Minister, what a dumb combo
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Speaker 2: of portfolios, that is, who believes this fuel crisis shows
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Speaker 2: how a rush to renewables will solve all our problems.
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Speaker 2: As you tried to point out this week, energy must
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Speaker 2: be secure.
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Speaker 4: Renewable energy is a secure form of energy. The Australian
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Speaker 4: Sun cannot be interrupted by a war or anything else.
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Speaker 4: The solar energy has to travel one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 4: million kilometers from the Sun. It doesn't have to travel
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Speaker 4: the one hundred and fifty kilometers that are straits of homeless.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe it? I mean the same delusional zealot
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Speaker 2: who uses a fuel crisis to sing the praises of
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Speaker 2: electric cars and tries to pretend all those semis you
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Speaker 2: see on the road will suddenly run on batteries.
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Speaker 4: In all my discussions with my international colleagues energy and climate,
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Speaker 4: there isn't one country in the world that said, you
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Speaker 4: know what this fuel crisis reminds us is we need
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Speaker 4: more fossil fuels. That conversation is not being had anywhere
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Speaker 4: around the world. In fact, our countries around the world
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Speaker 4: are saying this underpins and underlines the need to keep
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Speaker 4: going with things like electrification and ensuring renewable energy is
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Speaker 4: an important part of the mix going forward.
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Speaker 2: So as his Prime Minister tonight he's on the Prime
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Speaker 2: ministery of jet flying back from Malaysia after going up
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Speaker 2: there with a begging bolt to get fossil fuels. I
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Speaker 2: mean that bloke is unbelievable. So world under the Australian
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Speaker 2: newspaper for digging those numbers out. And I don't want
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Speaker 2: to put you off your dinner, but have a look
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Speaker 2: at the picture that accompanied that story today of our
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Speaker 2: esteemed leader in Brunei holding a glass jar of your rea.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen anything so ridiculous? Is it any
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Speaker 2: wonder we are in the mess We are in matt
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Speaker 2: Canavan coming up shortly now, while we can't make enough
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Speaker 2: petrol or diesel or have gas to last a day.
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Speaker 2: The Defense Minister Richard Miles turned up at the press
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Speaker 2: club today to sell his and his government's defense plans
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Speaker 2: for the next ten years. Now, if you sat down
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Speaker 2: and listen, without any prior knowledge of the parlous state
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Speaker 2: of our ADF, you'd believe we had a fighting force
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Speaker 2: that could actually defend Australia, our country. Here he is
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Speaker 2: Richard Miles talking up what he and Albanezi have done
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Speaker 2: while asleep at the wheel. Coalition governments, according to them,
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Speaker 2: didn't do for a decade. This is, according to Males.
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Speaker 5: We've been creating an ADF that is able to operate
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Speaker 5: at greater range, that can engage in impactful projection, a
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Speaker 5: more amphibious army, more capable northern bases that can project
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Speaker 5: our air force further, a much more capable surface fleet,
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Speaker 5: longer range missiles, and the acquisition of long range nuclear
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Speaker 5: powered submarines. We're building an ADF that has integrated across
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Speaker 5: all five domains, including cyber and space.
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Speaker 2: And of course he used that speech to have a
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Speaker 2: shot at the previous government, saying they did nothing for
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Speaker 2: ten years. Richard Miles was also and I thought this
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Speaker 2: was most interesting, very direct on the threat China poses
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Speaker 2: to Australia.
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Speaker 5: China continues to engage in the world's largest conventional military
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Speaker 5: buildup that we have seen since the end of World
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Speaker 5: War II, without the transparency and strategic reassurance that other
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Speaker 5: states expect. It is pursuing greater strategic depth by enforcing
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Speaker 5: contested territorial and maritime claims in the South and East
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Speaker 5: China seas China has now resumed large scale land reclamation
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Speaker 5: for new military facilities at Antelope Reef. China is also
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Speaker 5: deploying the PLA Navy at greater distance in the Pacific,
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Speaker 5: Maritime Southeast Asia, and the Indian Nacean and Perla. Deployments
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Speaker 5: close to Australia have grown in frequency and capability over
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Speaker 5: the last two years, a trend that will continue now.
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Speaker 2: That diseommary of the tensions in our region was not
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Speaker 2: something I'd expected to hear from Richard Miles, and given
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Speaker 2: he is at the moment also the acting Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: I'd expect the reaction from China is going to be
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Speaker 2: pretty blunt and pretty quick, and talking about Chinese warships
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Speaker 2: off the coast of Australia, lobbing ballistic missiles into presumably
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Speaker 2: big population centers like Sydney, or taking out defense bases
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Speaker 2: in places like Townsville does make a non military person
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Speaker 2: like me wonder why we still have our major naval
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Speaker 2: base at Garden Island, smack bang in the middle of
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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor, right next to the Opera House. And I
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Speaker 2: don't think you would hear the Prime Minister using the
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Speaker 2: sort of language Miles used there, but he must have
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Speaker 2: endorsed males pre prepared speech. The opposition, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is not buying Males figures.
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Speaker 6: The claim of matching the coalitions three percent of GDP
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Speaker 6: spending is patently untrue. There's a whole bunch of accounting
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Speaker 6: tricks included. So today we're meant to be hearing from
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Speaker 6: the Deputy Prime Minister about a national defense strategy. It
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Speaker 6: sounds like it's really going to be a master class
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Speaker 6: in creative bookkeeping.
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Speaker 2: As a raft defense experts, including people we have great
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Speaker 2: regard for here on Sky, Greg Sherian, Michael Schubridge who
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Speaker 2: we talked to last night. Well, they don't buy the
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Speaker 2: figures either, and they don't buy promised outcomes as outlined
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Speaker 2: by Richard Males today. As you dig into this document,
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Speaker 2: so much of it is off over the horizon. But
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Speaker 2: if you listen to Richard Marles, so might be a
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Speaker 2: Chinese warship, hopefully with our American friends right behind it. Well,
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Speaker 2: we've been talking all day about that major fire at
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Speaker 2: Viva Energy's Geelong refinery. It's hit the petrol line at
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Speaker 2: a facility that supplies more than half of Victoria's petrol
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Speaker 2: and ten percent of petrol nationally. Now, Chris Barwen has
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Speaker 2: warned it'll have adverse effects on fuel supply. This is
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Speaker 2: not a positive development. This is not good timing, and
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Speaker 2: this is a setback. Joining me now scoy one yours
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Speaker 2: host Caleb Bond and DPG Advisory Solutions founding director David Gazard. Caleb,
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Speaker 2: this is not a positive development. Did you get that
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Speaker 2: message there from Chris Martin?
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Speaker 7: Oh, I'm glad he told me. I wouldn't have been
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Speaker 7: able to work it out if it weren't for mister Bowen.
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Speaker 2: It's a bit like you.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't have known if there hadn't been an ad
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Speaker 7: put on the television or the radio this week or
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Speaker 7: in the paper saying, you know, take your roofrack off
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Speaker 7: and don't drive around with your windows down. It'll help
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Speaker 7: with the preservation of fuel. Well, I simply was not
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Speaker 7: aware of these things. So I'm glad the government can
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Speaker 7: tell us. Look, I mean, what it has shown, which
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Speaker 7: we already knew, but it just makes it more obvious,
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Speaker 7: is what a precarious position we are in. I mean
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Speaker 7: in Victoria where you are, as you say, fifty percent
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Speaker 7: of your fuel comes from this one refinery and we
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Speaker 7: are in a country now where we have no sovereign
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Speaker 7: capability or very little sovereign capability. When it comes to
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Speaker 7: fuel production. We're almost entirely reliant on overseas production. And
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Speaker 7: worse than that, we're almost entirely reliant on overseas production
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Speaker 7: that is imported to Australia almost just before it gets used.
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Speaker 7: You know, we've only got thirty odd days of any
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Speaker 7: type of fuel available to us at.
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Speaker 1: Any one time.
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Speaker 7: Most of what we import gets used very quickly. And
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Speaker 7: then meanwhile, you've got the Prime Minister overseas going to
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Speaker 7: Brunei and Malaysia and crowing about the fact that he
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Speaker 7: has secured one hundred million liters of diesel. Well, in Australia,
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Speaker 7: every day we use between ninety and ninety two million
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Speaker 7: liters of diesel. So the Prime Minister is crowing about
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Speaker 7: the fact that he has gained roughly one day's worth
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Speaker 7: of diesel, and that is worthy of a press conference
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Speaker 7: and adulation. And meanwhile, an Australian state today has lost well,
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Speaker 7: not entirely, of course, but has certainly hindered the ability
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Speaker 7: of it to provide half of a state's fuel. We
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Speaker 7: are so far behind the eight ball and we have
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Speaker 7: been for years.
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Speaker 2: David. I mean Caleb's right. I made the point there.
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Speaker 2: This goes all the way back when you look at
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Speaker 2: those figures that were reported by the Australian today, it
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Speaker 2: goes all the way back and they took it back
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Speaker 2: to that point only the Energy Department to the Julia
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Speaker 2: Gillard government. So every government from then on, from Gillard
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Speaker 2: through to Albanezi is guilty of not doing enough about
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Speaker 2: this issue.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Steve. It has been a tricky issue
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Speaker 8: for some time and you can see why Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 8: when he was Energy Minister, was infuriated by BP when
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Speaker 8: it closed without notifying the then government by the way,
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Speaker 8: that it was going to close its Quanana refinery in Wa.
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Speaker 8: But I mean the broader point is this, right. You know,
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Speaker 8: the opposition then led by Anthony Albanez, he attacked the
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Speaker 8: coalition four years ago over fuel security and has had
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Speaker 8: four years to get plans in place, or at least
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Speaker 8: start plans in place. Yet here we are, and it's
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Speaker 8: no point blaming tensions in the Middle East and now
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Speaker 8: it will be Oh well, the refinery itself had a
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Speaker 8: leak and it burst into flames and that's taken out
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Speaker 8: half hour refining. This is why you have an insurance policy.
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Speaker 8: This is exactly why you have sovereign capability, as Caleber
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Speaker 8: has so well elucidated.
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Speaker 2: Well, David, there is you know, there's a mothballed refinery
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Speaker 2: not very far from that Viva facility that caught fire
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Speaker 2: today at our TNA. So these facilities exist. They've just
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Speaker 2: been let to left to rust and shut down, but
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Speaker 2: they haven't been destroyed. So what I want to hear
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Speaker 2: from the government is not an ad about taking off
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Speaker 2: my roof racks. I want to hear what you're going
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Speaker 2: to do to fire these joints up again and go
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Speaker 2: and find oil to stick in there that we own
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Speaker 2: and refine it. I mean, that's what we as a country.
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Speaker 2: Average people want to hear that farmers out there are
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Speaker 2: running out of diesel truck drivers who last night told
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Speaker 2: me they're parking by the side of the road because
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Speaker 2: they can't afford to run their businesses. Why doesn't labor
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Speaker 2: and you know you're an expert in giving positive advice
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Speaker 2: to people, why don't they tell us something that we
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Speaker 2: can hang our hat on.
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Speaker 8: Well, this is exactly right, but the entire vibe of
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Speaker 8: this government for four years has been to appeal to
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Speaker 8: the greens and preferences, and that has meant that we
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Speaker 8: are now waiting for the electrons from the sun that
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Speaker 8: are still winging their way over one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 8: thousand kilometers or whatever it was to power our solar panels,
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Speaker 8: and the wind to blow the wind turbines, which clearly
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Speaker 8: is not given. You've got the Prime Minister with his
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Speaker 8: with his hands running around Asia with the begging bowl
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Speaker 8: out looking for excess supplies of liquid fuel.
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Speaker 2: They're starting to panic a bit, I think. Caleb I
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Speaker 2: notes in Breaking News that the Prime Minister's jumped on
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Speaker 2: the Prime ministerial jet in Malaysia tonight. He's not flying
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Speaker 2: back to Sydney. He's not staying in Malaysia tomorrow. Guess
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Speaker 2: where he's going. He's flying to Melbourne. He's going to
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Speaker 2: get in the car and go to an oil refinery
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Speaker 2: down the road in Geelong that's on fire.
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean that'll solve things, won't it. A visit
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Speaker 7: from the Prime Minister will shore up per production in Korea.
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Speaker 2: I mean, good pictures for the television.
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Speaker 7: This is all it's been. This is the problem the
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Speaker 7: Prime minister over the last week, and it started in
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Speaker 7: Singapore last Friday.
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Speaker 2: All it has really been his pictures.
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Speaker 7: So the Prime Minister goes to Singapore, stands up with
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Speaker 7: the Prime Minister over there and sees, you know, we've
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Speaker 7: secured a deal that we will continue to have a
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Speaker 7: flow of LNG from Australia to Singapore and fuel from
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Speaker 7: Singapore to Australia. Well, that agreement already existed, they'd agreed
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Speaker 7: on that weeks before they met in person. All that
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Speaker 7: they really agreed to in that memorandum of understanding that
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Speaker 7: they signed last week was that at a future date
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Speaker 7: they'll put it into law.
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Speaker 2: So they got together.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister flew overseas to get together with a
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Speaker 7: prime minister to agree that they would continue going forward
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Speaker 7: with an agreement that they'd already agreed two weeks ago,
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Speaker 7: and then at some point in the future we will
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Speaker 7: agree to do that via law. I mean, what the
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Speaker 7: hell was that? And then we get him doing the
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Speaker 7: same thing this week going to Brunei and Malaysia. We've
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Speaker 7: not actually secured anything rate, it's all been about looking
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Speaker 7: like we're doing something.
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Speaker 2: This is the crisis. They told us was not a crisis.
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Speaker 7: But now it's so much of a crisis that the
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Speaker 7: PM's going overseas and visiting oil refineries in Australia that
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Speaker 7: have caught fire. I think, as you say, they are worried.
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Speaker 2: I was quite surprised about that court decision in Sydney today.
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Speaker 2: The Palestinian Action Group won a judgment from Chief Justice
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bell ruling at the Chrismin powers that he put
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Speaker 2: in place following the Bondai massacre when tensions in Sydney
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Speaker 2: were at boiling point, where Chrismin's in my view, sensibly
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Speaker 2: told a bunch of protesters you're not allowed to leave
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Speaker 2: the place where you start the protest. We won't have
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Speaker 2: you marching through the streets and if you try and
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Speaker 2: leave there, we will arrest you. So the Palestinian Action
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Speaker 2: Group go to court and make an argument, and I
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Speaker 2: wasn't in court, so I don't know the legal background
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Speaker 2: to it. The judge rules. They argued that it was
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Speaker 2: unconstitutional what the police were doing, and they've won the case.
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Speaker 2: And there they were out the front today. You know,
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Speaker 2: these are the people were running around saying, you know,
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Speaker 2: death to the IDF and rivet of the sea and
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Speaker 2: had Grace tame up there, you know, shouting about Infanta Intofada.
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Speaker 2: I mean, were you surprised by that? I just can't
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Speaker 2: believe that they lost that case.
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Speaker 8: Look, no, it doesn't surprise me, Steve, it doesn't surprise
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Speaker 8: me at all. It joins a long list of decisions
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Speaker 8: by the judiciary that go against law and order and
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Speaker 8: support radical protesters who are flagrantly breaking the law or
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Speaker 8: even violently engaged with police. I remember the G twenty
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Speaker 8: Finance Minister's meeting in Melbourne which was a riot. It
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Speaker 8: was an absolute right direct police could not make arrests
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Speaker 8: because they had been sued by protesters previously and they
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Speaker 8: were too scared to touch them. But we hope this
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Speaker 8: is a pyrrhic victory the laws we introduced hurriedly. But
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Speaker 8: if there's a reason why the electorate is recoiling in
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Speaker 8: horror at bringing Palestinian and Middle East politics to Australian
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Speaker 8: streets and stampeding with their feet to demand their governments
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Speaker 8: do more on immigration laws, this will only hasten the
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Speaker 8: exit from the major parties who refuse to listen to
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Speaker 8: them and continue to cowtow to protesters. I mean This
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Speaker 8: has gone on for two years, every weekend in our
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Speaker 8: major cities, Sydney, Melbourne. It's not like we haven't heard
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Speaker 8: enough of this. The messages are abhorred. I saw Chris
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Speaker 8: Min's comments saying this was the biggest terrorist activity in
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Speaker 8: Australian shores. And here we are four months later with
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Speaker 8: the protesters running around with these slogans, as you quite
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Speaker 8: rightly say, are abhorrent to most of the citizenry, and
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Speaker 8: we all sit around wondering why people are stampeding to
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Speaker 8: one nation, to the right of the Liberal Party, the
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Speaker 8: National Party. It's no surprise to me, so I hope
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Speaker 8: it's piric. I hope they're reconsidered. I hope they're reintroduced
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Speaker 8: in a form that will actually stay. These horrendous protests
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Speaker 8: and the misery they bring upon a whole range of
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Speaker 8: people in the community, the least being the Jewish Australians
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Speaker 8: that have to suffer at the hands of anti Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 2: Caleb, you'll be talking about this, I'm sure on later
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Speaker 2: Bak tonight. But this makes no sense to me. This
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Speaker 2: legal decision. I mean, as I said, we weren't in court,
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Speaker 2: but I mean the ninety nine point nine percent of
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Speaker 2: people who live in New South Wales were padding Chris
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Speaker 2: Men's the premiere on the back saying good on you mate.
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Speaker 2: We do not want these cafe you're wearing protesters with
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Speaker 2: their signs and pictures of the former Iranian leader cloging
21:35
Speaker 2: up the Harbor Bridge and marching through the city and
21:38
Speaker 2: shouting anti Semitic slogans. But the court rules, okay, you couldn't.
21:42
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have arrested these people. The next thing we're
21:45
Speaker 2: going to see, Caleb, I'm sure is those people who
21:47
Speaker 2: were arrested and spent time behind bars, watch out for
21:51
Speaker 2: the civil case where they sue the New South Wales
21:53
Speaker 2: state government and try and get money out of them.
21:56
Speaker 7: Indeed, which is the last thing we need. And the
21:59
Speaker 7: issue for me is that this law never impeded one's
22:03
Speaker 7: right to protest, because, as you pointed out, it was
22:07
Speaker 7: about the fact that you couldn't move from the point
22:09
Speaker 7: at which you started your protest. So you were allowed
22:12
Speaker 7: to have a static protest, you just couldn't continue through
22:16
Speaker 7: the streets in certain designated parts of Sydney, the eastern
22:19
Speaker 7: suburbs and certain parts of Surely two things can be
22:24
Speaker 7: true at once. The right to protest is inherent to
22:28
Speaker 7: democracy and is inalienable. Also, you don't have the right
22:33
Speaker 7: to disrupt everyone else's day. It was the same when
22:36
Speaker 7: it came to the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
22:39
Speaker 1: Right.
22:39
Speaker 7: You can have a protest in hard Park, you can
22:42
Speaker 7: have a protest on the footpath, you can protest wherever
22:45
Speaker 7: you want. That's fine. You can hold your banners and
22:47
Speaker 7: your placards and get out your microphones whatever. But that
22:51
Speaker 7: doesn't then give you the right to clog up the streets,
22:55
Speaker 7: to stop everyone else, to get in their way, to
22:58
Speaker 7: make them feel uncomfortable as they're going about their day.
23:02
Speaker 7: I don't know why both of those things cannot be acknowledged,
23:06
Speaker 7: but seemingly we now have a ruling that, well, you
23:09
Speaker 7: can do whatever you want. How are you meant to
23:11
Speaker 7: have law and order in that circumstance?
23:14
Speaker 2: Crazy Caleb. I'll see you tonight, David. Thank you very much,
23:17
Speaker 2: appreciate both of you. One protest I do support is
23:20
Speaker 2: a protest that's unfolding in north central Victoria where there's
23:23
Speaker 2: been an intense standoff today between farmers and VIC Grid officers.
23:28
Speaker 2: After the latter the people who want to build this
23:32
Speaker 2: v and I power Line tried to force entry onto
23:35
Speaker 2: twenty six Victorian properties along the transmission corridor. Now, despite
23:40
Speaker 2: threatening to find anyone who blocked access, which happened today,
23:43
Speaker 2: farmers have seemingly won, at least for today this action.
23:48
Speaker 2: The officers are adamant that they will conduct their ecological
23:52
Speaker 2: surveys and they'll be back again soon. Farmer James Burke
23:56
Speaker 2: is based in Jeffcott in north central Victoria, that's between
23:59
Speaker 2: Donald and Charlton. I know that part of the country
24:01
Speaker 2: pretty well. He was there to protest today and joins me, Now,
24:05
Speaker 2: what unfolded out there today, James, what actually happened?
24:09
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, they basically come along. They didn't all didn't
24:13
Speaker 9: disclose who they were. They asked for access. The farmer
24:18
Speaker 9: denied access and basically said, just refer to my emails.
24:26
Speaker 2: How many troops did you have there in case these
24:28
Speaker 2: people did try to actually physically get on board the property.
24:32
Speaker 9: No, we didn't have heaps yet. We're working our way
24:36
Speaker 9: along through a few people that are just trying to
24:39
Speaker 9: do this privately, and there will be some bigger events
24:43
Speaker 9: coming in the coming weeks.
24:47
Speaker 2: So explain to the audience and Peter Kredl and I
24:49
Speaker 2: have talked about this a lot. Explain to the audience.
24:52
Speaker 2: If you refuse to let them have access, they demand
24:57
Speaker 2: access and you say no, what sort of fines will
25:01
Speaker 2: you face?
25:03
Speaker 9: They are saying firstly an eight hundred dollars fine and
25:07
Speaker 9: then the fines basically go up from there. So at
25:10
Speaker 9: the moment they're still trying and to get access and
25:16
Speaker 9: agreed access, but you know, on their terms, basically like
25:22
Speaker 9: our terms. We've sent emails to these companies stating all
25:25
Speaker 9: our reasons why and the concerns of what's going on,
25:28
Speaker 9: which have been completely ignored. They haven't looked at anything
25:32
Speaker 9: that we've spoken about. They keep coming back, obviously as
25:36
Speaker 9: you've seen, changing laws to suit their own agenda to
25:40
Speaker 9: come onto our properties. This is an embarrassment on the
25:44
Speaker 9: government to actually try and do this, as you can
25:46
Speaker 9: see what's going on around the country in the mix
25:50
Speaker 9: of a fuel and fertilizer shortage, Farmers flat out at
25:54
Speaker 9: the moment trying to work out the costs of putting
25:57
Speaker 9: crops in and moving forward to be vi and we've
26:00
Speaker 9: got the government coming at us and attacking us on
26:03
Speaker 9: our own land. It's absolutely wrong and it shouldn't be done.
26:08
Speaker 2: It shouldn't James U. Blokes would be pretty hard to intimidate.
26:11
Speaker 2: But I do understand that these people can be quite
26:13
Speaker 2: intimidating because they are driving up and back around the place,
26:17
Speaker 2: and then it must make your families quite nervous about it.
26:21
Speaker 2: What's your personal situation. Do you have a property that
26:26
Speaker 2: would be affected directly by V and I.
26:28
Speaker 9: Yes, so we've got just short of ten kilometers of
26:31
Speaker 9: V and O west backed through the center of our farm.
26:33
Speaker 9: It actually runs on an angle with two dog legs. Now,
26:37
Speaker 9: just so everybody understands that this is just a proposal
26:41
Speaker 9: at this point, and US farmers are completely against it.
26:45
Speaker 9: They talk about, you know, talking untruths and what's going
26:51
Speaker 9: on now Farmers, as you know, we are honest people
26:54
Speaker 9: that are out to do an honest day's work. We're
26:56
Speaker 9: trying to provide food and fiber for the country. We're
26:59
Speaker 9: here to actually do a good turn for Australia. We've
27:02
Speaker 9: got this government coming at us saying that we're actually
27:05
Speaker 9: telling lies of what actually will go wrong. They haven't
27:08
Speaker 9: even looked and seen what our machinery, how large it is,
27:12
Speaker 9: and how it actually works out in the field. To
27:15
Speaker 9: have your land split in half to be able to
27:18
Speaker 9: work like at the moment. If you had to add
27:20
Speaker 9: that in with the extra fuel costs, it would make
27:23
Speaker 9: these farms unviable. It's absolutely ridiculous. They're not looking at
27:27
Speaker 9: the big picture. We all know that this project is
27:29
Speaker 9: not needed for Australia. It's completely wrong. The government are
27:32
Speaker 9: not listening to the experts in the field. They're running
27:35
Speaker 9: on their own agenda, their own ideology of a green
27:39
Speaker 9: dream and as we know, this green dream isn't real.
27:41
Speaker 9: If they wanted to go back and rethink this, have
27:43
Speaker 9: a look at one hundred year future for Australia that
27:46
Speaker 9: actually helps my children, their children, their children's children for
27:50
Speaker 9: the future of Australia is where we need to be.
27:52
Speaker 9: Running off this five minute snouts in the trough, ideology
27:56
Speaker 9: of overseas companies coming in, splashing cash, obviously deals going
28:01
Speaker 9: on behind the scenes. This is completely wrong for Australia
28:04
Speaker 9: and they need to rethink it. It's absolutely incorrect.
28:08
Speaker 2: I hear your passion and I agree with you completely.
28:11
Speaker 2: Can I just ask you a quick question about the
28:12
Speaker 2: fuel crisis. Two things, diesel and urea. Do you need both?
28:17
Speaker 2: And have you got it?
28:18
Speaker 9: Absolutely? We need both we need an ongoing of the fuel.
28:21
Speaker 9: Today obviously was a big thing with what's going on
28:23
Speaker 9: in Geelonging and with what's happened there at that site.
28:28
Speaker 9: I rang my fuel supplier today. He said that all
28:31
Speaker 9: trucks have been diverted to Melbourne to get fuel out,
28:33
Speaker 9: which as we know, the supply of those trucks to
28:36
Speaker 9: get that fuel out to get to where they need
28:38
Speaker 9: to be. We're in the busiest part in the next
28:41
Speaker 9: five days. Victoria is like a light if you could
28:43
Speaker 9: look at it from above. There's machinery working everywhere twenty
28:46
Speaker 9: four hours a day trying to get their cropping on time.
28:49
Speaker 9: As we know there's only two times or so it's
28:51
Speaker 9: on time or early. We have to get it done now.
28:55
Speaker 9: And to have a look and to be running around
28:57
Speaker 9: looking for fuel, looking for fertilizer to look at after
28:59
Speaker 9: our solves is ridiculous. When the government is not even
29:02
Speaker 9: thinking about that, they're attacking us on our land.
29:06
Speaker 2: As I understand that the conditions are pretty good. Did
29:08
Speaker 2: you get any of that rain in the central last week?
29:13
Speaker 9: But the best art I've had in my farming career,
29:17
Speaker 9: it's looking amazing. My father's super supportive and pretty happy
29:21
Speaker 9: about with what's going on at the moment. So, you know,
29:23
Speaker 9: things are looking good in that regard. It's just the
29:25
Speaker 9: cost of what's going on. You know, we're trying to
29:27
Speaker 9: grow these crops on minimal costs to try and get
29:31
Speaker 9: a return. But at the moment it's not looking great,
29:33
Speaker 9: and I've heard from a few farmers around that they're
29:36
Speaker 9: actually looking and seeing what varieties and what crop types
29:38
Speaker 9: they can grow to try and make a dollar.
29:41
Speaker 2: Are you going to change or are you committed to
29:43
Speaker 2: what you're going to plant?
29:44
Speaker 9: I'm pretty committed to wear around. At the moment, we're
29:46
Speaker 9: probably running a few more legumes and what we're normally
29:48
Speaker 9: done through they produce their own fertilizer. A lot of
29:52
Speaker 9: our cereal crops are the price isn't really there, and
29:55
Speaker 9: with the years we've had in the last five years,
29:58
Speaker 9: we need a lot of your rear to get the
29:59
Speaker 9: yield out of them. So you know, that's probably what
30:02
Speaker 9: the big thing is is looking at the cost side.
30:06
Speaker 2: See that picture I showed earlier of Anthony ib An
30:08
Speaker 2: Easy holding a glass jar of your rear in Malaysia.
30:12
Speaker 9: Yes, today, Well, it's an absolute embarrassment, isn't it.
30:15
Speaker 7: As we do.
30:17
Speaker 9: The guy's pretty frustrating. It's pretty hard to sit back
30:19
Speaker 9: and watch him on TV and not abuse the TV screen.
30:23
Speaker 2: I think he might turn up on the at your
30:25
Speaker 2: farm gate to give you some support.
30:27
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that won't happen. We know what
30:29
Speaker 9: that guy's like and he's mate, Christopher Bowen. Pretty good people,
30:33
Speaker 9: aren't they. They have no idea what.
30:34
Speaker 2: It's like, a bunch of fools. James, good on your
30:38
Speaker 2: good luck. I hope it all works out and we
30:40
Speaker 2: hope that you get the fertilizer around the fuel that
30:42
Speaker 2: you need. So thank you, mate, thanks you for joining us,
30:45
Speaker 2: and good luck with the battle. There you go. I
30:47
Speaker 2: mean people, honest people, honest Australians, hard working Australians, just
30:51
Speaker 2: trying to do their job, trying to make an income
30:54
Speaker 2: for their family. And they've got these people in the
30:57
Speaker 2: Victorian government have passed laws that have It's like James
31:01
Speaker 2: continue to refuse access to his property, he could end
31:04
Speaker 2: up in jail. I mean, makes sense of that if
31:07
Speaker 2: you can. Okay, coming up, Harry and Meghan's Melbourne circus
31:11
Speaker 2: rolled on today with Meghan now mentoring on mastership apparently
31:15
Speaker 2: and that major refinery fire exposes just how fragile our
31:19
Speaker 2: food our fuel supplier is. Dante and join me next.
31:27
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
31:27
Speaker 7: Now.
31:28
Speaker 2: The major fire at Viver Energy's Geelong refinery being reported
31:31
Speaker 2: on Sky all day to day. It started last night
31:34
Speaker 2: early earlier this morning, I think around two in the morning.
31:37
Speaker 2: It has damaged parts of one of the two remaining
31:40
Speaker 2: fuel refineries we have in the country. The timing could
31:43
Speaker 2: not be worse for Australians and it's not a great
31:46
Speaker 2: look for everyone, including Chris Bowen. Of course, he's warned
31:49
Speaker 2: it will hit supply just as global markets are under
31:52
Speaker 2: increased pressure. Anthony Albanezi was in Malaysia today. Now I
31:56
Speaker 2: told you before there's breaking news that the Prime Minister
32:00
Speaker 2: has interrupted his trip. He was to stay in Malaysia tomorrow.
32:03
Speaker 2: I think he was going to have meetings with the
32:06
Speaker 2: major fuel producer in Malaysia. But he's now jumped on
32:10
Speaker 2: the Prime ministerial jet. He's not going to Sydney. He's
32:14
Speaker 2: going to Melbourne and he's going to go down to
32:17
Speaker 2: the refinery in Geelong tomorrow morning. We're told he's going
32:21
Speaker 2: to be down there at about seven thirty, so probably
32:23
Speaker 2: land in Melbourne early tomorrow morning, Shadow Energy Minister Dan
32:26
Speaker 2: Teen joins us. Now, thanks for your time. I said
32:30
Speaker 2: at the top of the show. You know, we've been
32:32
Speaker 2: let down by lots of governments going all the way
32:36
Speaker 2: back ten years or more about becoming complacent around the
32:40
Speaker 2: source of our fuel. Will this shock finally get governments
32:43
Speaker 2: to wake up to what they need to do? Well,
32:47
Speaker 2: I hope so, Steve.
32:49
Speaker 10: We definitely want to work with the government to make
32:53
Speaker 10: sure that we do increase the fuel stocks that we
32:56
Speaker 10: have here, but also that we start producing again our
33:01
Speaker 10: own supply. And Chris Bowen said today when he was
33:05
Speaker 10: asked by the Fact about the fact that oil production,
33:10
Speaker 10: homemade oil production, homegrown oil production in this country has
33:14
Speaker 10: collapsed under labor dropped by a half, whether he would
33:18
Speaker 10: be prepared to look at making sure we're doing the
33:21
Speaker 10: oil exploration and drilling and producing the oil that we
33:25
Speaker 10: may need domestically. Now, he said that he was willing
33:31
Speaker 10: to look at that. Well, I say to him tonight,
33:35
Speaker 10: on a bipartisan way, let's get drilling. Let's first step.
33:40
Speaker 10: First step is the EPBC act. With the Greens, they
33:44
Speaker 10: said they were happy to fast track solar and wind
33:48
Speaker 10: farm proposals. Well, what we're saying to Chris Bowen is
33:53
Speaker 10: let's amend the EPBC Act, let's make sure that oil
33:57
Speaker 10: and gas can be a part of that, and let's
34:01
Speaker 10: get producing here domestically again. Now, when it was put
34:05
Speaker 10: to him, he went on about culture wars. Well, this
34:08
Speaker 10: has got nothing to do with cultural wars. That's deflecting.
34:12
Speaker 10: What we want to do is just get drilling again.
34:16
Speaker 10: The other thing that we want to do is, and
34:17
Speaker 10: we're happy to work once again with the government on this,
34:20
Speaker 10: is we have to restore that quarter of a billion
34:23
Speaker 10: dollar diesel storage program that the Coalition had in place
34:29
Speaker 10: before the twenty twenty two election.
34:31
Speaker 2: Now labor scrap that.
34:33
Speaker 10: We're happy to work with the government to find the
34:36
Speaker 10: savings to put that program back in place. And we're
34:41
Speaker 10: also happy to work with the government to at a
34:45
Speaker 10: minimum increase our holdings here in Australia to sixty days
34:51
Speaker 10: and then work to see what we can do to.
34:53
Speaker 2: Get that higher.
34:54
Speaker 10: So they're all the things we're willing to do with
34:57
Speaker 10: Chris Bowen. My hope is he will accept them. But
35:01
Speaker 10: what we're seeing so far is he's happy to talk
35:05
Speaker 10: a big game, but then he just deflects every time
35:08
Speaker 10: we put a bipartisan approach like that to.
35:11
Speaker 2: Him, well, average Australians would say, why the hell have
35:15
Speaker 2: governments or going back years and years and years not
35:18
Speaker 2: had a bipartisan approach to making sure Australia has the
35:22
Speaker 2: amount of fuel that it needs. I mean, I reckon
35:25
Speaker 2: even you, as the Shadow Minister, would have been shocked
35:28
Speaker 2: this morning to read those numbers out of the Australian
35:31
Speaker 2: that I read out at the beginning of the program.
35:33
Speaker 2: It went back to the Julia Gillard government and went
35:36
Speaker 2: all the way through to the alban Easy government, and
35:38
Speaker 2: it's just been a downward spiral of people going, oh, well,
35:42
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. We can get all of our
35:44
Speaker 2: diesel and petrol and aviation fueled from offshore. We'll buy
35:47
Speaker 2: it from someone else. Why should we making it ourselves,
35:51
Speaker 2: and why should we worry about drilling for oil? I mean,
35:54
Speaker 2: it seems inconceivable to me.
35:59
Speaker 10: You're right, Steve, absolutely right, and we've got to turn
36:02
Speaker 10: it around, and we've got to turn it around quickly.
36:04
Speaker 10: The geostrategic environment globally should be teaching us a big, cold,
36:10
Speaker 10: hard lesson, and that is you've got to be able
36:13
Speaker 10: to stand on your own two feet and you have
36:15
Speaker 10: to be able to produce enough energy to run your
36:18
Speaker 10: own economy at a minimum. Now we have the ability
36:22
Speaker 10: to do that, and what it will require is the
36:26
Speaker 10: federal government now labor government working with the coalition to
36:31
Speaker 10: change the EPBC Act, and then we'll have to work
36:33
Speaker 10: with the states that are willing to do it. Now,
36:36
Speaker 10: as you know, the Queens Saying government. David Chris fully,
36:39
Speaker 10: the premier there is leading by example. He said he
36:42
Speaker 10: wants to get exploring and producing oil and he's asked
36:47
Speaker 10: the Albanezi labor government to give him the approvals in.
36:50
Speaker 2: A quick fashion.
36:51
Speaker 10: Now, sadly, once again, all they've done is deflect. But
36:55
Speaker 10: that is the sort of action that we need. And
36:58
Speaker 10: if we can get that type of action, I think
37:01
Speaker 10: we can turn this around very quickly, and that's what
37:04
Speaker 10: we should be aiming to do.
37:06
Speaker 7: Well.
37:06
Speaker 2: Let's hope someone sensible in labor, if there is such
37:09
Speaker 2: a thing, actually agree to that. Dantee, and thanks for
37:11
Speaker 2: interrupting your evening for us. I appreciate it very much.
37:14
Speaker 2: Still to come, Paul Keating has gone new clear on
37:17
Speaker 2: the coalition's immigration pitch, accusing Angus Taylor of chasing one
37:21
Speaker 2: nation votes. I'll be joined by Nationals leader Matt Canavan
37:24
Speaker 2: up next. Welcome back to price with you. I want
37:32
Speaker 2: to stick with these figures in the Australia newspaper today.
37:34
Speaker 2: I think they're very important. The Energy Department put out
37:37
Speaker 2: some figures about oil production. It was already they say,
37:41
Speaker 2: at record low levels when this conflict in the Middle
37:44
Speaker 2: East began, with local crewed output down more than ninety
37:48
Speaker 2: percent since twenty ten. Now a lone voice in the
37:52
Speaker 2: wilderness throughout all these governments, Gillard and rud and Turnbull
37:56
Speaker 2: and all of them, has been the new National's leader,
38:00
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan joins us. Now, Matt, it seems drill and
38:04
Speaker 2: is a dirty word in this country still.
38:08
Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, unfortunately that's the case, Steve. This has been
38:13
Speaker 11: known to those that look at these figures for a
38:15
Speaker 11: long time. The sad story of this century in Australia
38:19
Speaker 11: has been that our all production has been in decline
38:23
Speaker 11: since the start of the century. Twenty five years ago,
38:26
Speaker 11: Australia was self sufficient in 'ra all petroleum production. At
38:30
Speaker 11: least ninety six percent of our petroleum needs could have
38:34
Speaker 11: been served by domestic sources, and we were refined about
38:37
Speaker 11: seventy percent of our needs into usable fuels. But what's
38:41
Speaker 11: happened over the last twenty five years or so is
38:43
Speaker 11: the Bats Strait, which provided a lot of that fuel security,
38:47
Speaker 11: has declined, declined rapidly in the last fifteen years or so,
38:51
Speaker 11: and the result is these figures. Now that was known
38:54
Speaker 11: for a long time, but unfortunately for us, at the
38:57
Speaker 11: same time that decline was occurring an increase in the
39:01
Speaker 11: funding and the foreign funding, often the activist campaigns that
39:06
Speaker 11: went towards shutting down the oil and gas industry, in
39:08
Speaker 11: particular shutting down any attempts to drill and find new
39:12
Speaker 11: oil basins. There is no doubt there is massive amounts
39:15
Speaker 11: of oil under our feet in this country. It's been
39:18
Speaker 11: studied many times by our best geologists. The issue is
39:21
Speaker 11: whether or not that oil is concentrated enough in a
39:23
Speaker 11: form to extract at a commercial rate.
39:28
Speaker 1: Now, if we don't.
39:29
Speaker 11: Drill low, if we stop drilling and looking, we'll never know.
39:33
Speaker 11: And that's what leads us into this dependent state which
39:36
Speaker 11: has made us extremely vulnerable, even more so after this
39:39
Speaker 11: terrible fire.
39:40
Speaker 1: Today.
39:42
Speaker 2: I don't want to dwell on the past, but someone
39:44
Speaker 2: asked you when you were working with Barnaby and then
39:46
Speaker 2: subsequently when you were elected yourself. What happened when you
39:50
Speaker 2: and he went around during the Turnbull years, the Morrison years,
39:57
Speaker 2: the Abbot years even and banged on people's doors and said, listen,
40:01
Speaker 2: we're at risk if we ever lose the shipping that
40:05
Speaker 2: brings refined fuel to our country. We've got to do
40:07
Speaker 2: something about it. What did they say, Well, two things. Certainly,
40:14
Speaker 2: the Morrison and Turmbo governments invest a lot. I wasn't
40:19
Speaker 2: in cabinet in the Abbot years, but those later years
40:21
Speaker 2: we invested a lot, hundreds of millions of dollars and
40:24
Speaker 2: try to find new resources. We drilled in the Canning
40:27
Speaker 2: basin in Western Australia when I was Resources Minister to
40:30
Speaker 2: try and find those we released a lot of acreage,
40:33
Speaker 2: which is effectively just the right to drill in our
40:36
Speaker 2: offshore areas. This government's barely released any acreage in our
40:40
Speaker 2: offshore areas, so no one has the right to drill.
40:42
Speaker 2: So we pushed companies to try and do that in
40:45
Speaker 2: my time, is very difficult with those activist campaigns that
40:48
Speaker 2: were effectively deterring that investment. The other issue, in terms
40:51
Speaker 2: of what did the bureaucrats say about this issue, Well,
40:53
Speaker 2: they were adamant that we could be supplied by shipping
40:56
Speaker 2: lanes elsewhere if our shipping lanes were disrupted.
41:00
Speaker 1: I always felt that.
41:01
Speaker 11: Was a little naive, but that is what led us
41:04
Speaker 11: to eventually support keeping the last two refineries. Keep in mind,
41:07
Speaker 11: all of the refineries would have shut if it weren't
41:10
Speaker 11: for the action that Angus Taylor took to save a
41:12
Speaker 11: couple of those. Now this government is saying, see Chris
41:15
Speaker 11: Boon saying today that he would only support oil production
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Speaker 11: if it's stacked up. That's code for saying that if
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Speaker 11: some private company would come forward and invest in it. Well,
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Speaker 11: I don't think we should outsource our national security to
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Speaker 11: the interests of BP or Shell or sharever On.
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Speaker 1: Or any of these big oil companies.
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Speaker 11: Sure we can work with them sometimes to help secure
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Speaker 11: our national interests, but our national interests sometimes go beyond
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Speaker 11: just what the narrow commercial interests of the majors are.
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Speaker 11: That's why we did invest and support the drilling of
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Speaker 11: oil in the Beaterloo basin, which is going quite well
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Speaker 11: at the moment. But this govern's opposed well that, in
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Speaker 11: fact they're funding the environmental Defender's office, which is spending
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Speaker 11: its life and using that government funding to shut down
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Speaker 11: oil and gas production around Australia.
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Speaker 1: So the couldn't be clearer from the two sides of politics.
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Speaker 11: The Labor Party have run a war on fossil fuels
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Speaker 11: and are now trying to blame everybody else for the
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Speaker 11: fact we don't have enough fossil fuels. Leberal national parties
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Speaker 11: have been trying for a long time to increase that.
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Speaker 11: It's been pretty hard against that left wing activism. I've
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Speaker 11: got some things going, but couldn't get everything what I've done,
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Speaker 11: what I wanted.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to Dante and then your liberal partner
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Speaker 2: in all of this. He's talking about, you know, a
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Speaker 2: bipartisan approach, I mean from a distance and you know,
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Speaker 2: talking about this a lot for a long time now.
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Speaker 2: I can't see people like Chris Bowen, who's completely out
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Speaker 2: of control in terms of renewables, or Anthony Albanesi, who
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Speaker 2: lets him do whatever he wants to do, having any
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Speaker 2: any prospect of a bipartisan approach on rescuing Australia's fuel crisis.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think your instincts are right, Steve. I'm not
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Speaker 11: holding my breath for this Labor government to suddenly returned
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Speaker 11: to planet Earth and start living in the real world.
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Speaker 11: But look, I stand ready like Dante and to help
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Speaker 11: if we can. We prove that in the last sitting
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Speaker 11: period where we did support the government's emergency legislation to
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Speaker 11: use the taxpayer funded Export Finance Australia Organization to get
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Speaker 11: more ships into our country of oil and gas. So look,
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Speaker 11: that's fine, we'll support that. Unfortunately, the Government didn't support
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Speaker 11: our amendment. The Member and I moved in the Senate
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Speaker 11: to allow for the Environment Minister once again approve a
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Speaker 11: project in the oil and gas space if it's in
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Speaker 11: the national interest. The Labor Party removed that ability and
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Speaker 11: just before Christmas last year, only about four months ago,
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Speaker 11: in a dirty deer with the Greens.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they won't return that.
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Speaker 11: I mean, the Prime Minister is happy to go and
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Speaker 11: visit world leaders in our region to support the production
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Speaker 11: of foreign oil. Why won't he sit down with the
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Speaker 11: Queensland Premiere and and try and support the production of
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Speaker 11: domestic oil here in Queensland. And he could help do
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Speaker 11: that with this national interest exemption. We're happy to support
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Speaker 11: him next time in Parliament. We can get this through,
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Speaker 11: can be done quickly. We can log out the Greens
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Speaker 11: and as I say, return to the land of common sense.
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Speaker 2: More power to you, Matt Canavan. Thank you mate for
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Speaker 2: joining us tonight at Matt Canavan there, let's hope we
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Speaker 2: have some bipartisanship. Well. On a lighter note, Prince Harry,
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Speaker 2: he's here. He's been hailing Australia social media bands as epic.
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Speaker 2: Today the Duchess and Duke of Sussex. We're out all
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Speaker 2: around Victoria. We'll catch up with Victoria. Ward Royal Reporter next,
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Speaker 2: welcome back to Price with you.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: As someone who covered the nineteen eighty three Royal tour
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Speaker 2: of Australia of Princess Diana and Prince Charles, I've got
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Speaker 2: to tell you, Harry and Meghan don't hand to hold
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Speaker 2: a candle to that couple. That was an extraordinary four
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Speaker 2: weeks of my life that I'll never forget. On the
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Speaker 2: tour from the London Daily Telegraph and watching, of course
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Speaker 2: Megan turning up on Mastershift last night and doing the
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Speaker 2: filming and now claiming she's not being paid for it.
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Speaker 2: Is Deputy Royal editor for the London Telegraph Victoria Award,
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Speaker 2: Victoria Good eight, good evening, good evening. That was a
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Speaker 2: good old days. Back in nineteen eighty three. We had
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Speaker 2: no mobile phones. We had to rush to a phone
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Speaker 2: box to tell everyone what Diana was wearing every day.
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Speaker 2: One of the highlights of my life.
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Speaker 12: You're showing your age, Steve.
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Speaker 2: I know, I am, I know, I am. What about Look?
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Speaker 2: I worked at neverok ten for a long time. I
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Speaker 2: appeared on one of their reality shows, I'm a celebrity
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Speaker 2: to get me out of here. They paid me a
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Speaker 2: lot of money. Megan's trying to tell us she's not
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Speaker 2: been paid to be on Mastershift. Do you buy that?
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Speaker 13: They're insisting. All I can tell you is what they're
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Speaker 13: telling us. And they're telling us that she's absolutely not
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Speaker 13: been paid for master Set. She's getting her expenses and
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Speaker 13: that's it. She's been paid for this girl's only retreat
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Speaker 13: this weekend, but she's not being paid for Marthterschef. And
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Speaker 13: they're saying that Harry was not paid to appear at
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Speaker 13: the inter Edge Summit, a leadership summit today in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that's the case. I mean, Meghan turned
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Speaker 2: and you Noah better than I do. She turned up
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Speaker 2: at a homeless shelter for women that are wearing a
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Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars designer dress, expensive earrings and fancy shoes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's hardly I can't help but compare her
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Speaker 2: with the Queen of Denmark, her very own Mary, who
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Speaker 2: when she goes to a place like that, she dresses appropriately.
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Speaker 2: Am I being too harsh?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 13: I think that Meghan's critics certainly I would agree with you,
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Speaker 13: and a lot of people that agree with you. One
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Speaker 13: of the Telegraph's fashion directors wrote last night that she
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Speaker 13: could have turned up in a pair of jeans and
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Speaker 13: an unbranded jumper. It's an interesting situation that she's in
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Speaker 13: there where she's she's revealed that she's got this website
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Speaker 13: now where she's making money from affiliate links by promoting
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Speaker 13: her fashion choices. So now everythink that she wears has
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Speaker 13: got her kind of edge to it because it looks
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Speaker 13: like she's just trying to make money.
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Speaker 12: So it's a tricky situation.
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Speaker 2: Hell has the reporting of this going down back in
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Speaker 2: the UK?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Is it hard to judge you? Are you getting page
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Speaker 2: one or are you back a bit more in the
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Speaker 2: book what's happening.
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Speaker 13: No, I think it's it's we've had pictures on page one,
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Speaker 13: We've had it.
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Speaker 12: It's relatively prominent. I'm not saying that.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's interesting because they're very polarizing characters, aren't they,
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Speaker 13: Megan and Harry, and so whatever you think about them,
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Speaker 13: people love to read about them, so that the haters
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Speaker 13: want to read about them. They want to know what
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Speaker 13: they're doing, they'll criticize stories. Of the comments on some
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Speaker 13: of my stories is hundreds or thousands of comments, a
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Speaker 13: lot of them very negative.
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Speaker 12: But people are engaging with it.
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Speaker 13: They're still reading it, they're still wanting to comment and
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Speaker 13: wanting to have their wanting to know what they're doing,
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Speaker 13: almost wanting to criticize.
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Speaker 12: So yeah, it's it's getting a lot of attention.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate it, Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Good luck with the continuing coverage there in Sydney. I
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Speaker 2: understand the Prince Harry by the way, he's going to
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Speaker 2: go to a Wartaz rugby match tomorrow, and I don't
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Speaker 2: believe that Megan will be with him. We'll wait and see.
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Speaker 2: Danikka de Giorgio is up next.