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S2 E25: Brain Invaders - A Clone Wars Rewatch · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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We do. On with the gross stuff now.
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Let's talk about Kevin some more now.
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Yeah, I know. I'd rather I would rather
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because this worm rain invaders is fucking gross.
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It is way grosser than I remembered.
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Me, yeah, yeah. So I re watched the episode and
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I am not OK with half of what went on in that episode.
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Now, I've seen it before, we've all seen it before, but when you
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haven't seen it in a while, it gives me the heebie jeebies.
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That is my hell. It's bad.
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First of all, squiggly wiggly things are an issue in and of
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itself. And then?
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True, true. You know, the whole thing with
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Luminara and the Queen it, you know, in the previous episode
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and it goes up the nose or in the mouth or, you know, the
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whole thing And yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But there's so much of that happening in this episode.
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It's like hard to I can't. It gives me the creepy crawlies.
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It's so gross every scenario while one of them is sound
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asleep and not knowing better and then later they're like
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holding people down and forcing them to be submitted to it.
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That's the one I had the most problem with because I I don't
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like that. At all.
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Does it occur? Is it just me, but when you
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watch this, these scenes of these brain invaders, do you get
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like a weird tingle in the inner ear?
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It's kind of more in my stomach. I feel like, like I want to run
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into the hills and never come back.
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It scares me so much. I don't.
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I can't even. I have a terrible urge to itch
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the deep innards of my ears. Even though they don't go in the
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year. But I don't know why it happens.
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I guess it's just me. That's really funny, I know.
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I mean, it's a very. It's very.
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Is primeval the word I'm looking for?
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They're going in their brains and making them talk like the
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Gian Oceans and they're which is kind of brilliant if you think
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about it. It's really cool if you can get
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past how gross it is. Right, right.
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It's actually a really cool idea and they I think they
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accomplished it very well on the show.
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It was effective, yes, 100% effective.
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Exactly. And the added element of
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embarrass, OK, to be that young and have to deal with it
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normally under normal circumstances, maybe not Jedi
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because they're not normal under normal circumstances, but I
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think younger adults, younger kids, tweens are more squeamish,
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you know, generally speaking, not all of them, but when I was
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a kid, or at least younger, I was squeamish.
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Obviously I haven't grown away from that, but these two are
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just kicking ass with it. I mean, of course, right?
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I think I'm more squeamish now. Is that maybe because you were
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saying like tweens? Maybe by then I was pretty
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squeamish when I was a kid. I wasn't afraid of anything.
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Oh, I was. Maybe I'm just a wuss.
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It's entirely possible I was squeamish.
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I didn't like, like, get that away from me.
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EW, EW, get it away. I have a funny story of when I
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became squeamish. You remember the moment that you
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became I got to hear it. When I was a kid, I wasn't
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afraid of stuff. We would go and like pull up the
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downspouts and like look for salamanders or whatever.
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When I was a little kid I would jump in window wells.
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I can't believe I would do that. There's no way in hell I would
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do that now. Just the spiders alone never
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even crossed my mind. Oh my God, no.
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The neighbor kid was digging under a downspout.
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He found a snake. Oh my God.
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Grabbed it and was freaked out by it and threw it and it flew
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through the air and hit me right in the forehead.
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Oh. My God, what did you do?
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To this day I have goosebumps. To this day I remember what it
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looked like like flying through the air.
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I bet it was a Garter snake. It was just a harmless snake.
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But to this day I've been like, what if I had a hood and it fell
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in there? Like what?
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Brain invaders so. Terrifying.
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And after that I was scared of everything can.
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You OK? Let's take a moment and just
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think about it from the snake's perspective.
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He's just trying to fucking sleep.
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Some kid grabs him, removes him from his home with force and
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then flings him through the air and he hits another human and
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she freaks out and his whole day is just tossed up and upturned
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and the poor snake. That snake is probably somewhere
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right now saying do you remember that time I had a girl in the?
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He's got chills. I love this story so much, thank
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you for sharing. You're welcome.
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It's a total side tangent. But yeah, that's why like
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slithery things just scare the shit out of me now.
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Like I feel weak and like I'm going to pass out from telling
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that story. I could not have done what
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Ahsoka embarrassed did in this episode.
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I would have had a complete panic attack.
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And they quarantined the ship. They they put it on lockdown so
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that it wouldn't infect the what medical medical base or wherever
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they were going. What was it?
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Yeah, and. That was smart, but that means
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they're locking themselves in there with it.
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That's like what happens. Well, it doesn't happen.
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At least us. Not to Ahsoka, but.
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Well, I have, I have a questions about this though.
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Yeah, first of all, why are the worms still looking for a host?
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Does this mean that the Queen is still alive?
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Or that they just have this parasitic instinct for self
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preservation that they just latch on to the next life form?
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I think it's the second, but I don't know.
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They're in those things, those little balls.
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That's the that's one thing. I thought I was like, she has
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larva and then it becomes eggs that become worms.
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I was like, I don't know if this is how bugs work but whatever.
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Is this just the transportation mode for off worlding for the
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for the brain eaters brain good? Question.
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That escalated. I meant brain invaders.
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Close enough, close enough. What are they doing in there?
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I don't remember if they showed any eggs in the last episode, so
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you're good point. You know what Clone Wars likes
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to do? Softly roll balls of things.
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It's true. You know, they have the bombs,
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they have the detonators, they have the silencers, they have
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the they get rid of the electrocution force fields and
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the. Droid Popper.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Droid poppers and then they also
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have small rolly things with brain.
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Parasites. Parasites in them, Yeah.
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I mean it works if it when it works it works.
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I hate that we're happy to talk about this.
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Even saying these words is gross.
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Well, did you notice when I think it's Ahsoka who slices
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them in half? They're like like little nut
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pods. So are the things just wrapped
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up in there and incubating like laying in wait?
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I just, it's one of those things, I can't, I just can't
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the whole thing. I know, I know.
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I had the same thought. When you see her cut it in half,
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I was kind of like, so what's going on in there?
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Yeah. I also think it's funny that I
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mean funny, Funny in a very dark way that like when she cuts the
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worms in half that they make noises.
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Did you notice it was a wet noise?
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That makes it even worse. OK, I watched this with
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subtitles on and they described the noise of the worms as where
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is it? Oh no, what?
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I'm dying to know. They described it as quote moist
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Slytherin. See.
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No, thank you. I was so Oh my God, that's.
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So gross it's disgusting. I did notice it sounded wet.
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I did, yeah. It's I'm getting such like
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constant goosebumps talking about this.
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It's for, it's a good effect, you know it's it's for the
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effect and it works. It's a really well done episode.
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It definitely. I mean, the fact that we're so
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grossed out by it means that they did a great job.
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I mean, there's probably people out there who are completely
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unaffected by this because a, it's fake, but.
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Yes, yeah, OK. Kudos to.
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Them exactly, yes. We are not in that camp.
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You know what, what bothered me, I want to ask you about this.
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I didn't really recognize this before until rewatching it and
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not having seen it for a while is I, I forget the clones name
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who comes at Ahsoka and Barris and one of them stabs him in the
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chest. You know, just whatever.
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And Ahsoka is like, he was my friend.
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He would have never done that. And it's like he just died and
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you're not even mourning the loss of a friend.
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Yes. They just moved.
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I had the same. You did.
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I know I did. I did.
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Because they keep trying to disable, like knock them
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unconscious and not harm them. Really.
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Yeah, but that guy, I think his name is Trap, I want to say.
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Yeah, I couldn't remember. Barris tried, but it was she
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just decided that was the best option was to kill him.
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And I get it I guess. But the thing about that too, so
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they have the ability to appear normal even when they're
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infected as like, what a self preservation thing because so
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many of them walking around with their voices changed and their
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posture different. And these two clones came in and
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were able to trick Ahsoka embarrassed.
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I mean, that adds a whole level to what this parasite is doing.
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And one of the big questions I had is why are they doing it?
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Yes, correct. I don't know.
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Why take over the ship? Why?
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They had a plan. Who's controlling them now?
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There's no Hive Queen to control them, supposedly.
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Unless there is. Is there more than one queen of
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the of the species? Wouldn't that be creepy and
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interesting? Maybe there's a Princess
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somewhere. Oh God, what's her name?
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Clara. Clara the Great.
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Yeah, that's what I was trying to think of.
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Something very pedestrian and yet something with a little
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flair. God, I don't know.
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They never really explain a motivation, it's just creepy.
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Well, it's alien. Maybe you're not really supposed
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to know because it's an alien species and they don't quite.
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That's why everybody, Fisto included, wants to study this
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shit but they don't have a 5 minutes to themselves to do it
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between Obi Wan and the rest of them.
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They just they just can't get their hands on one without it
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infecting people. So better left dead.
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Is the whole point of a parasite just to exist and propagate I I
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suppose? Think of what is it War of the
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Worlds that technical parasite if you will, killed itself
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because it of bacteria on on planet Earth Spoiler but you
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know but like it's not advanced enough to know.
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Perhaps it only knows survival mode and then it doesn't know
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what what could kill it if it interacts with an outside
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species. That's an interesting point.
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I like that, very interesting. I always think of War of the
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Worlds when it comes to invaders of a certain kind, because what
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they don't know, they don't know.
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So in this case, with infecting these clones and in human
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entities, you know, there's a whole host of problems named
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Ahsoka because she was out to kill you, little tiny Ahsoka.
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In in this there's some interesting dialogue with Ahsoka
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and of course like it ties into Anakin, which we haven't.
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Even Oh, I'm, I'm savoring that moment.
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I'm I'm I'm want to get to it slowly.
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That was creepy. Well.
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A little bit. It's fine, fine.
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There's that moment where you see Ahsoka embarrassed, trying
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to sleep, which I thought was funny because we never see Jedi
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sleeping. They never seem to be able to
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sleep, Correct. And she's tossing and turning
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and Baris is like, like, you should try to rest.
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And Ahsoka says she can't. So they go to the commissary and
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they're eating. And she says Ahsoka says that as
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a Jedi, I'm not sure I know how to do that.
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Meaning rest and enjoy peace, that is.
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The curious line and a very important one that I don't think
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we hear uttered by anybody else. Yeah.
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I was just like, what is this doing in this episode?
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Well, when you're bullshitting at the commissary table, like,
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wait, commissary, is that it? Yeah.
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Yeah, OK. I guess you get into casual
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conversations about the workplace.
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Maybe. Maybe Ahsoka unintentionally
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planted the seed of doubt with embarrass his mind in that
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moment about the Jedi Order. You are reading my.
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Mind. Really.
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But yes. Because this goes into this
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whole conversation, and it's so ironic because what it is doing
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is it's foreshadowing what Barris ends up doing.
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Yeah. Ahsoka has this whole
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conversation of what's the difference between being a
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peacekeeper and a warrior? Like, is there a difference?
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She doesn't seem to have answers to that.
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And Barris says, what does your master tell you?
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I have it all written out here. OK.
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Ahsoka says, Anakin, Oh, you might find some of his thoughts
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on the future a bit radical. And Barris says, really?
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Why? Ahsoka replies.
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Let's just say my master will always do what needs to be done.
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I'm not even sure how peacetime will agree with him.
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She was. Very astute at a very young age.
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What? Exactly is she talking about
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though? Like what is so radical about
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his ideas? I mean, obviously if you've seen
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Attack the Clones, you know his views on democracy well, I, I
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think. It's because he he is prone to
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slashing first and ask questions after there's a moment in some
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episode or maybe it's multiple episodes.
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And they like kind of drive it home in that regard where Anakin
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says like, why can't we just go in and take care of this?
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And Obi Wan's always like, well, there's a little bit of
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diplomacy that needs to be taken care of first.
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You can't just go in guns blazing, so to speak.
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And Anakin just kind of wants to.
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And that's why he gets, that's why he gets with Tarkin.
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He kind of jives a little bit with Tarkin, You know, he it,
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Anakin doesn't like to wait. He I think.
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He really believes that the end justifies the means very much.
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And, and Obi Wan as his master is more about exploring what we
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can do and how, what kind of what kind of end we can promote
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through different means. It's a much slower, more
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patient, more, I don't know if it's empathetic to the subject
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that they're dealing with that you know, where you're just kind
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of taking in all sides and all parties and all outcomes.
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And Anakin just is like AE plus B = C and we just need to go in
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and do it I feel. Like Obi Wan is willing to use
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force though? Like I know.
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Oh, I'm not. Saying he isn't, but I was gonna
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say. Everyone thinks he's a cinnamon
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bun. No, not everybody, but there is
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a camp of people who think of him as the cinnamon bun, which
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we don't, but but he's. Willing to take the extra minute
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to think something through and. A lot of times he tries to give
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even though he knows what he's there to do.
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Like the queen is a great example.
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Like, he's there to, you know, take her power, but he tries to
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do it in a way that gives them the chance for dignity at least.
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And a lot of. Times that's still insulting
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enough that people won't take the opportunity.
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So then he uses force, but Anakin doesn't really give that
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opportunity for people to preserve their dignity, as Pagal
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knows first hand. Before we get to this, I find it
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ironic because Anakin, I think it's in season 1 when they're at
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the the the moon of Pantora. Is it the Pantorum moon or?
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Oh yeah, remember the moon? And the white creatures, he's
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the one that takes more time to get to understand what they're
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saying. And, and it's almost like he he
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gets less patient the older he gets, which is not how normal
20:38
people work. You're supposed to gain wisdom
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and become more patient and understanding.
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Supposed to keyword but it's almost like he thinks it's a
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waste of time. Let's just go in there and take
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care of things. Exactly.
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Pointing to how he deals with Poggle when people.
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Aren't completely linear. I mean we all have days where
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we're more patient than other days.
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Totally. Yep.
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But he. Does seem to I I really do feel
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like the patience the Anakin shows is probably only because
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of Obi Wan. Yeah, and.
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And Ahsoka, he's patient with her.
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I mean, he, he gets like short with her, but it's he's more
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patient to see her succeed than not.
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Yeah. And.
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There's actually that really, I really love the exchange in this
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episode where Anakin is saying, you know, she would have checked
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in and Obi Wan's like the way you check in, like I don't think
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you realize how alike you are. And Anakin's like, good point.
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Classic. Do as I say, not as I do.
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This conversation between Ahsoka and Bears is so interesting
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because it's about Anakin and it ties into the very end of the
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episode where Ahsoka is kind of doubting herself because.
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Yeah, I know she. She chooses to save her friend,
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which she then this did not click for me very quickly.
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I had to like the cookie cutter or the cookie cutter.
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The fortune cookie at the beginning is attachment is not
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compassion, which. Is.
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A very odd but interesting sentiment, and Ahsoka is worried
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at the end that because she chose to save Barris, she chose
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attachment over the greater good.
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Well, Barris did tell her you'll do what needs to be done right.
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If something were to happen to Barris, which it does.
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And I think she went back on that.
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What she said, yes, but she didn't probably feel it in her
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heart. Obviously she didn't feel it in
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her heart. So she probably felt like she
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lied to Barris, She lied to herself, she lied to the code.
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But what I. See, it is.
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Yeah, is more strength because she saw the alternative path
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that then saved them all. So it's like this narrow path
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that kind of Anakin has maybe taught her without meaning to
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teach her because at the end he said you did the right thing,
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but she's questioning whether it was the right thing because of
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the way his teaching is Kind of like, give her this one path
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only option and she is. So it was such a cool moment for
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the character, I thought, because it really showed that
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not only is Ahsoka possibly willing to do what needs to be
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done, she then finds the way through that that protects
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everyone. Instead of sacrificing her
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humanity and her friend's life, she chooses this other path that
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actually ends up saving all of them.
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Which is a characteristic of her that we see all the way through
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to her older self that we see in the Ahsoka series.
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I mean, it's a staple of her character's spine, if you will,
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what she stands for, which is completely juxtaposed with how
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Anakin does not self reflect on what he does, doesn't at all.
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Here's a soca younger than him, greener than him in the in the
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Jedi, if you will. And in this war, questioning,
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thinking, pondering, worrying about choices.
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And Anakin doesn't do that very much, you know it kind.
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Of struck me watching this that Anakin has already slaughtered a
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whole village of sand people at this point and we never come
24:23
back to that in the Clone wars. They don't really bring that up
24:25
too much. No, no, just.
24:27
In the they talk about. Mortise me.
24:29
Yeah, the mortise flashback. In terms.
24:32
Of his mom, but not really in terms of yeah, in his mortise.
24:37
Yeah, well, maybe he doesn't regret it.
24:42
I was gonna say that because to him something had to be done and
24:50
he did it. That was.
24:51
Just vengeance though. Exactly.
24:53
But. He doesn't.
24:54
He doesn't. I think maybe after the fact,
24:56
but that's that anger inside him that ends up doing that.
25:00
It's not the thoughtful process of, OK, this is where we're at
25:04
with this situation, we have to handle it.
25:05
But that no, no, no, Anakin. No, Anakin wonder.
25:11
Anika. No, Anika.
25:12
Summed up all. All of the Star Wars prequels in
25:15
one sentence. I wonder though, how realistic
25:19
is that for a person to lose control like that and then be
25:23
able to maintain control in other equally stressful and and
25:27
upsetting situations like he does throughout the Clone Wars?
25:31
Cause usually it's like an escalation.
25:33
I'm not a therapist or psychologist or psychiatrist or
25:36
whatever. I don't know for sure, but it
25:37
feels like that kind of behavior you would escalate into it.
25:42
And I feel like he exhibits quite a bit of self-control in
25:46
Clone Wars after what happened in Attack of the Colts, where he
25:50
has like totally lost all control.
25:54
That's a good point. I don't know I I don't know.
25:58
It's an empty. Question.
25:59
I guess I mean I have one of those.
26:01
Things in the Galaxy we ponder to this day, you know Well,
26:07
let's talk about him and Poggle because let's.
26:09
Do it, please, my God. Everything.
26:13
About It is so enjoyable. It's so fucking.
26:16
Good. It's so fucking good.
26:17
Listen to me. It's so fucking good.
26:21
It's so even. The way the way he walks down
26:24
the hallway and just stop. Stop when I first I remember the
26:29
day I first saw this episode ever in my life and that very
26:33
subtle the March music just kind of woven, just kind of placed in
26:39
there, just sprinkled in. I was dying inside.
26:44
So it was one of those, Oh my God, what what's happening?
26:46
What's happening? And he has his arms behind his
26:48
back. He's walking in there and he
26:50
does the, you know, the Jedi mind trick thing and that shit
26:53
doesn't work. And then he's embarrassed.
26:56
Poggle embarrasses his ass. And I will say this.
27:00
I do not like how he backhands him.
27:03
I think that is the more egregious act as opposed to the
27:07
force choking and he. Says like mind trick, who needs
27:10
a mind trick? And it's just he takes pleasure
27:14
in this moment, he does. He does, and I love that because
27:18
we know it's Vader only because we know it's Vader.
27:21
I am really uncomfortable with the fact that he hits that
27:24
boggle. Yeah, that's it's.
27:26
So insulting, like when you slap somebody, when you backhand
27:30
somebody. Oh my God, I'm OK with the force
27:34
choking. Maybe because it's not like
27:36
person on person contact, you know what I mean?
27:38
It's like less personal. You are standing at a distance,
27:41
you know. I mean, they do say that choking
27:44
a person is one of the most personal ways to kill them,
27:47
right? But they're.
27:47
Not choking them. They're they're holding their
27:52
hands. On Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
27:54
Because the personal, the personal bit of that is looking
27:58
into their face and, and like, yeah, yeah.
28:01
They do. Zoom in on Anakin's expression,
28:03
which is cold as ice. Yeah, and the only other person
28:08
I think he lays hands on that way is Rush Clovis.
28:12
Well, his two triggers, I guess we got to do that episode soon.
28:19
I want to talk about that episode.
28:20
That's so good. It's a.
28:22
Good one. It's one of those, well, I guess
28:24
there's the standalone one in Season 2 and then there's the
28:27
couple in that, the last season I'm talking.
28:29
About the season 2, the last ones are really uncomfortable,
28:32
the season 2 one is just ridiculous.
28:35
True true. Yes.
28:36
But anyway, Poggle, I feel for the dude, I really do, I do.
28:40
Too. You know what I really loved?
28:42
Actually, What? Is.
28:44
Afterwards when Anakin comes back and he's standing
28:47
surrounded by all these Jedi masters and he has the
28:50
information and Obi Wan is just looking back.
28:53
Obi Wan, like he knows, Yeah, he.
28:56
Knows he knows he's not saying shit.
28:58
Mundy is like, how did you get this information?
29:01
And Obi was like, I am not saying like you just yeah, Nope.
29:06
I'm out, I'm out. I'm not saying anything.
29:08
I wash my hands. I.
29:11
Wasn't there. I had nothing to do with it.
29:13
I don't know this kid. The end I raised.
29:17
Him to be better than this. And this is the moment where Obi
29:22
Wan goes back to his his little apartment and eats the pie
29:25
straight from the pan over the sink.
29:30
For those of you who know, you know perfect example.
29:37
It's true. It's very true.
29:39
It's good stuff. I really loved it.
29:41
I love. That scene and it's really the
29:43
music and the angle of like Poggle and and Anakin, like the
29:47
way it's filmed, if you will. Like there's, yeah, you know, a
29:52
power struggle in the way that it's reflected in their
29:55
positions and stuff. And I don't know, I guess I love
29:57
it. I love it.
29:58
But the thing I wanted to ask you, this has nothing to do with
30:03
that scene, by the way. OK, but it's in my.
30:06
Notes Why Kit Fisto in this episode?
30:10
Do you have any idea? Cuz Luminara and Chiati Mundi
30:14
are already in action I. Guess.
30:18
I mean, I guess maybe. Because he's really, he's really
30:22
kind and compassionate, and maybe Ahsoka wouldn't need that
30:25
after this truly, truly, deeply upsetting experience.
30:30
That's a good point. OK, Because, you know, PLO Coon
30:33
could have been in this position too, but he might be too close
30:36
to Ahsoka. That's a great.
30:38
Point, you know. The the bond they have, if you
30:41
will, Yeah. You know, they don't really
30:44
explore that very much except on the Citadel.
30:48
Arcs is really the only place they kind of touch on, Yeah.
30:52
Wonder why? What's his name?
30:55
Pocoon. Pocoon and and Ahsoka's
30:57
relationship. Yeah.
30:58
I don't know why. Because he's the one who found
30:59
her. Yeah.
31:00
And you would think there'd be. I mean, there is clearly, you
31:04
can see it even in the small interactions that they've had,
31:06
that there is affection there between us, between us, between.
31:10
Between us, OK Between them? Here we go.
31:16
Again, thinking of ourselves as part of the story.
31:22
I love it. I think this is the second.
31:24
Time in this arc that we've said that in our episodes.
31:28
I don't know why. Well, what I wanted to say about
31:31
Kit Fisto is it did. It was not lost on me that his
31:37
tentacles matched the worms. No.
31:43
Oh dear. And I wondered.
31:44
Is that why they placed him in this episode?
31:49
Does he understand? I don't.
31:50
I don't know what those things are called.
31:52
It's like his hair, but it's not.
31:54
I get it. It's Yeah.
31:55
You know, I don't know what the he's underwater.
31:58
He's an, he's an amphibious man because there's.
32:03
Montrose or whatever Ahsoka has. And then there's the same, the
32:08
same, the kind of, you know what they're called the leku, Yes, on
32:14
the on the. Twilacs Yeah, yeah, yes.
32:16
Oh my God, I can't believe you've literally read my mind.
32:18
Yes, it's the. There's multiple of them, but
32:22
ahsokas are allegedly hollow. I don't know about a twilacs.
32:26
Does anyone out there? I don't either.
32:28
The anatomy of these tentacles. They only have two and a kit.
32:35
Fisto has like a whole bunch. I was just it just.
32:41
Occurred to me. I'm like, oh, we got all kinds
32:43
of squirmy things. We got his hair or whatever that
32:47
is. We got the worms.
32:49
We got I really like. Him though, I love him, he's
32:53
always. Smiling, always smiling.
32:54
He's good-natured. Even when dealing with a
32:57
parasite, he's honestly he's. Just he's a vibe.
33:01
He's a whole vibe. He really is.
33:04
He's right up there with the whole image of Qui Gon wearing
33:09
the under the umbrella and the sandals saying sorry I'm late, I
33:14
didn't want to come. That's a mood.
33:21
Quad on with the umbrella is a mood.
33:24
It's my favorite imagery ever. Now we need Kit Fisto in like.
33:30
Sandals. Yeah, with like.
33:31
A with a like an iced coffee. Yes, shaking the.
33:35
Ice, You know, people with iced coffees just swirling.
33:38
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
33:41
Well, we kind of need to talk about the end, yeah.
33:44
Between Baris and Ahsoka specifically, yes I think.
33:48
What are your thoughts? It's really.
33:50
Heavy it is. Heavy.
33:53
Baris literally begs Ahsoka to kill her.
33:56
They're children, yeah. Yeah, but but it's a reflection,
34:01
I think, of Luminara's teachings, honestly.
34:04
But do you or do you take it as like, it's so bad, this thing
34:09
that I she just wants it to be done.
34:12
That's how I. Took it, but I'm interested.
34:13
Tell me what your thoughts are like.
34:15
Why Luminara's teachings? Well, I just.
34:17
Think it like it seems to be Barris's default is if something
34:22
goes wrong it's over. Same with Luminara, like save
34:28
everyone by getting rid of me, you know, and they did that in
34:31
the under when the weapons factory, you know, they're just
34:35
kind of ready to like hang it up every time there seems to be
34:39
some kind of issue. So I, I just wonder if I'm not
34:43
saying she's not a sacrificial good person, a good Jedi in the
34:46
fact of like, you know, Take Me Out too.
34:51
Yeah, but I. They're so.
34:54
Eager to die as a hero that they're constantly like just
34:57
leave me I mean, I I was if we. Didn't have the weapons factory
35:02
episode. I would think otherwise, but
35:05
because this is all within the span of like what, a week?
35:08
Two weeks give or take? That's a whole lot of shit going
35:13
on with these two kids. Seriously.
35:15
This, this whole Geonosis mission for them has been deeply
35:20
traumatizing. I think Geonosis.
35:23
Is a fucking cesspit for every Jedi that ever touches ground
35:26
there. Well, now.
35:27
Anakin says that they think that the parasite is the reason they
35:31
were able to retake the planet. What does that mean?
35:34
God never go there again? No, leave that.
35:37
Don't leave that place. But yeah, not to discount what
35:42
you said, it's terrible that anyone is begging for that or is
35:47
in a position of that and like, what a decision for Ahsoka to
35:50
make. I know the whole sequence of
35:54
bears begs her to kill her and then she starts screaming and
35:58
grabbing her head and Ahsoka's standing there like should I
36:01
kill her? It seems like I probably should
36:03
kill her. This is where the fortune cookie
36:05
comes in because her attachment to Barris the and the
36:10
compassionate thing, I guess in the moment would be to relieve
36:13
her of this because of her attachment.
36:17
But it's the attachment that led to her kind of saving.
36:21
It's it's difficult, but it's there.
36:23
You know the fortune cookie. Says the attachment is not
36:27
compassion, right? I I don't.
36:29
Think it is. They can be.
36:32
Two separate things, yeah. I don't know, it's just, it's
36:36
bizarre. Part of me also wondered if I
36:40
mean, Paris had a parasite in her brain and Anakin's like, oh,
36:45
she she's going to be fine thanks to you, really, are you
36:48
going to be fine? Makes me wonder if it had any
36:51
impact on the fact that she fell to the dark side later.
36:54
Oh. Oh, that's a good point.
36:57
I never Well, oh, 'cause you. Know they are kind of aligned
37:04
with the separatists, which is kind of like the dark side the
37:07
the genotians, you know so maybe it had some sort of lasting
37:13
effect There's no I'm not basing that on anything but just my own
37:17
curiosity. No one has ever said that it's a
37:20
ponderous. Thing I've never thought of, but
37:22
I I can't argue against it. There's no answer.
37:26
To that, either, I guess it's just.
37:29
It's it's curious though. It's a curious point.
37:31
I wonder if anyone else out there has any thoughts that
37:35
would be, that would be something if you, I guess that's
37:38
our question, we'll get to that. But yeah, yeah.
37:41
I'm. Curious what the masses have to
37:43
say That's a that's a good that's a good question to ask
37:46
the whole. Experience could have been
37:48
deeply traumatizing. And then, you know, as with
37:52
everything, like Sigeria is a great example, everyone gets
37:57
taken as a slave and tortured for we don't even know how long.
38:01
We're not even sure how long that time period is.
38:04
Immediately goes right back to work.
38:05
No one has ever mentioned like, hey, do you need to talk to
38:08
somebody? Does the Jedi Temple have a
38:12
therapist or are they just supposed to meditate?
38:17
I don't know. I've heard stories, and I cannot
38:19
recall right now off the top of my head if they're fan fiction
38:21
or if they're actual stories where they have like mind
38:24
healers that would. Be something Oh can I get one?
38:30
That would be so nice game. I would love one.
38:33
Please just come and fix me and nobody.
38:36
Was able to fix Anakin huh? Must not be, Must not be Canon.
38:42
Yeah, he probably. Never went down that hallway.
38:44
He's like, you know what? I'm good.
38:47
Do you have any other final thoughts?
38:50
I don't know. I mean like as a whole now,
38:53
these 4 episodes, they're all so different.
38:56
They really. Are they do cohesively run
38:58
together though? Yeah, you know, one right after
39:00
another. But damn, how would you?
39:03
Rate the whole arc overall. Oh, this?
39:06
Whole arc, I would give it an 88.58.7 out of 10.
39:11
It's good, it's good. There's so many parts to it,
39:15
yeah. There's so many.
39:16
It's one of the rare. The rare arc where each of the
39:20
characters kind of gets their own little story very much.
39:24
Yes, a lot of times. An arc will be like for a set of
39:27
characters and but this one kind of goes in different directions
39:31
for each one of them. Anakin, Ahsoka and Obi Wan, they
39:33
all kind of get their own little side quest, you know, for.
39:36
Comparison's sake, the mortise arc is a 10 out of 10 for me,
39:40
maybe a 9.7 OK if if it's whatever because.
39:44
It's sad. It is.
39:46
It's. But I'm I'm going off of like my
39:49
initial, when I remember I first watched those episodes, I was
39:52
absolutely stunned, blown away, Yes.
39:55
Mortise blew my mind and honestly?
39:57
This one now going over it again with the rewatch and remembering
40:02
how I felt the first time seeing landing at Point Rain all the
40:05
way to Brain Invaders. It's a pretty good arc.
40:09
It's a solid arc. Yeah, it.
40:12
Makes sense why it turned me into an Obi Wan obsessed freak.
40:18
Here we are how many years later and I like deeper than ever.
40:22
I like how you. Just said that.
40:23
I mean, it's true. I probably watched this the
40:28
first time in like 2016, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
40:33
And here we. Are 10 years later crazy?
40:36
Not quite. Nine years later and it's it has
40:40
not gotten better. Well, I'm.
40:43
Still deeply obsessed? How would you rate the arc in
40:50
your way? How would you rate it?
40:52
All of it. The whole thing.
40:54
The whole thing like an 8 yeah, because like landing at point
40:58
Rain and legacy of terror 10 yes, but the other two yeah,
41:02
less so that's what I'm saying brings the whole average down a
41:05
little bit to an 8 I would say because yeah, it's like peak Obi
41:10
Wan and then totally disgusting worm shit that I'm not into and
41:15
we get a. Glimpse of Vader.
41:16
I mean, this, yeah, this arc has it all.
41:21
You know that Skip. Yes, Stefan, from Saturday Night
41:24
Live, if you're not familiar, look it up.
41:27
But this arc has everything. I guess we can leave it at that,
41:35
Stefan. See us out.
41:43
All right, our question for you listeners, it's the one we asked
41:47
just a little while ago. What are your thoughts on how
41:50
this particular episode, but any of the Gian Ocean arc, how that
41:54
might have affected Barris's choice later on when she
41:57
actually turned to the dark side and left the Jedi Order
42:01
violently? Framing.
42:05
Ahsoka along the way. Considering that Ahsoka saved
42:07
her life, that's kind of sad. Do you think the parasite had
42:12
anything to do with it? We would love to hear your
42:14
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42:17
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42:20
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42:22
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42:27
to go back to a topic we covered in the early days of most things
42:31
Kenobi, and that is Clone Wars, a kids show question mark.
42:39
I think that was our second episode ever, yeah.
42:41
So we asked the question, is Clone Wars a kid show?
42:44
And we're going to pick two more instances where it's
42:48
questionable and we're going to talk.
42:52
I'm going to pick one. Lauren's going to pick one.
42:54
We aren't going to tell each other what they are.
42:56
And then we'll discuss the moments that we question whether
43:00
or not this do you remember? What we picked, I picked.
43:04
Obi Wan in Mandalore and that guy throws himself over the edge
43:08
as yes. The death.
43:10
What did I pick? I don't remember.
43:12
I remember your pick, but I don't remember my own.
43:15
Oh shit, I don't. Know OK.
43:17
To go back Houston so I don't pick it twice.
43:20
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43:25
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43:28
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43:32
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