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Trump's Worst Interview Ever? (feat. Stacey Abrams) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm John Lovett.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Stacey Abrams.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. She's Stacey Abrams. Stacey, thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: being here. We're so excited to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate the invitation.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Kamala Harris shows off the campaign's enormous
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  Speaker 1: momentum with an electric rally in Atlanta featuring Megan Thee
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  Speaker 1: Stallion and Quavo. Donald Trump tries to flip the weird
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  Speaker 1: narrative back on Harris, and J.D. Vance is still defending
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  Speaker 1: himself and why he thinks people without kids should be
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  Speaker 1: second-class citizens. Before we get to the news, Stacey, we
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  Speaker 1: have an announcement. You're going to be hosting a new
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  Speaker 1: weekly podcast right here on Crooked taking on some of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest political challenges we face and talking about all
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  Speaker 1: the things we can actually do to make change happen.
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  Speaker 1: The show is called Assembly Required with Stacey Abrams. It
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  Speaker 1: launches on August 15th. This has been in the works
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  Speaker 1: for a long time and we're so excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: We've kept it under wraps. What can you tell listeners
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  Speaker 1: about the show?
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  Speaker 3: The show is really premised on my belief that if
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  Speaker 3: you understand how we got where we are, we can
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  Speaker 3: figure out how to get out. But also that sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it feels too big So if we break it down
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  Speaker 3: into digestible pieces, we can destroy them one at a time.
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  Speaker 3: And so the idea is that we're going to build
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  Speaker 3: this new world that we need together, and there is
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  Speaker 3: some assembly required.
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  Speaker 1: And you describe the show as a toolkit for progress.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 3: One of the challenges we face is that we feel
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  Speaker 3: overwhelmed by all of the ways the world feels broken.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a lot of politics, but it's also what
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  Speaker 3: policy comes from those politics. My intention is to say,
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  Speaker 3: we've got the tools that we need. We've got people
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  Speaker 3: who are using those tools. So the show is an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to meet those people, to see what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: And then what we give to the listeners is, here's
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  Speaker 3: how you can get involved. Here's the thing you can do.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just a one-way street of ingesting information.
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  Speaker 3: It's then, here's what you can do next, how you
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  Speaker 3: can intervene, how you can make it better.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope everybody can, you know what, pause the
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  Speaker 1: show for a second. We don't mind. And subscribe. You
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  Speaker 1: can subscribe right now and make sure that you start
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  Speaker 1: getting these episodes when they come out in mid-August. It's
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  Speaker 1: a really great, like, you know, you will listen to
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  Speaker 1: each episode each week. It will help you feel a
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  Speaker 1: little bit less overwhelmed and help you break down the
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  Speaker 1: most effective ways for you to get involved, which is
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  Speaker 1: what we're always trying to do here with both Crooked
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  Speaker 1: and Vote Save America. And there's nobody who understands that
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  Speaker 1: and does it in an entertaining, digestible, informative, common sense
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  Speaker 1: way than Stacey Abrams. So we're so excited about the show.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to one topic that you cover
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  Speaker 1: in the show a little bit later. But first, we've
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  Speaker 1: got news. Last night in Stacey's hometown, Vice President Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris held a huge rally. Estimates were about 10,000 people
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  Speaker 1: packed the arena in Atlanta, easily the biggest event of
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  Speaker 1: the cycle so far on the Democratic side, and exactly
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  Speaker 1: the kind of thing you want to see happening as
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  Speaker 1: the campaign gears up. It was a pretty good time
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  Speaker 1: even before Harris took the stage. Here's a sampling of
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  Speaker 1: the introductory acts.
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  Speaker 3: We know what happens when someone who doesn't know how
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  Speaker 3: to care for others.
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  Speaker 2: Is put in charge of others.
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  Speaker 1: We watched what.
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  Speaker 3: Happened for four years and we're not going back because
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  Speaker 3: we dream.
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  Speaker 1: Bigger and we dream better.
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  Speaker 2: Not going back. Not going back.
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  Speaker 4: Not going back.
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  Speaker 1: Now, maybe it's because I'm a pastor.
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  Speaker 5: Some days I feel sorry for Republicans because they've.
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  Speaker 1: Got to figure out how to run a criminal against
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor.
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  Speaker 6: Kamala Harris is getting ready to prosecute the case.
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  Speaker 1: The American people are the jury.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna get the verdict right, and we're gonna send
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  Speaker 6: Kamala Harris back to the White House And.
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  Speaker 1: You can't understand the struggles of gun violence if you're
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  Speaker 1: not in the field or in the heart of it.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing I learned about working with Vice President
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  Speaker 1: Harris is she always stand on business.
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  Speaker 4: We about to make history with the first female president.
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  Speaker 2: The first black female president.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get this done, hotties.
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  Speaker 1: Hotties for Harris, aye. Hotties for Harris. So that was,
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  Speaker 1: I believe I made the order wrong. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: was Stacey Abrams singing and then the introduction was by Megan.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? Did I get that right?
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  Speaker 3: In the dream world, yes, but my dream mainly.
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  Speaker 1: And we also heard from Quavo and from Senator Raphael Warnock.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into what the vice president said, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to ask you, what was the energy like
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  Speaker 1: in the arena?
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  Speaker 2: It was extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of campaign rallies and this
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  Speaker 3: felt like the excitement we saw not only in 2020
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  Speaker 3: when we flipped Georgia, but in the 2021 runoffs when
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  Speaker 3: people really knew it was possible to do something seismic
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  Speaker 3: and unexpected.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a big debate, obviously, about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not Joe Biden should step aside. We'd all hoped there
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  Speaker 1: would be a kind of surge of unity and a
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  Speaker 1: surge of enthusiasm if that happened. Are you surprised at
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  Speaker 1: all by just how much of both that we've seen.
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  Speaker 1: I think even the people that felt like Biden should
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  Speaker 1: step aside couldn't have predicted how much of a sea
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  Speaker 1: change there could be in just like a matter of days.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was very strongly on the pro-Biden side
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  Speaker 3: in part because we are not as a party known
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  Speaker 3: for our capacity to pivot on a dime. And the
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  Speaker 3: worry I had was that with so few days left
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  Speaker 3: in this campaign cycle, we would get embroiled in you know,
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  Speaker 3: our version of Yellowstone trying to figure out who should
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  Speaker 3: be in charge. And that wasn't going to be good
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  Speaker 3: for campaigns or for democracy. And so I really wanted
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  Speaker 3: to stick with, you know, stick with the one who
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  Speaker 3: brought us. But what I've been incredibly grateful for is
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  Speaker 3: that as a party, as a people, we saw what
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  Speaker 3: was happening. And when President Joe Biden made the very, very,
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  Speaker 3: you know, thoughtful decision to pass the baton, Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 3: picked it up and she has been running with it.
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  Speaker 3: And the great thing is no one on our side
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  Speaker 3: is trying to get in her way. We're all falling
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  Speaker 3: in line behind. We're all doing everything we can to
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  Speaker 3: create the wave of momentum. And I am mixing so
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  Speaker 3: many metaphors. I'm going to stop, but I'm just very
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  Speaker 3: excited that we're doing this together.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also, by the way, I'm just still stuck
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  Speaker 1: on the fact that there are so many analogies you
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  Speaker 1: could have reached for in the world. There's succession or
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  Speaker 1: the Sopranos or Veep. And you reach for Yellowstone, an
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  Speaker 1: effort to reach a part of the voting base that
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  Speaker 1: maybe some coastal elites don't often reach.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I believe in bringing together unexpected coalitions to
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  Speaker 3: get good done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know what Yellowstone is. I guess it
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  Speaker 1: is just Succession with a cowboy hat on. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know. Is there mob stuff? I don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: going on there. Is Kevin Costner in that one?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I will say you've got this incredibly strong woman
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  Speaker 3: who is at the center of the story, Kevin Costner is,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the lead, but his daughter, Beth, spends a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time really explaining to us what the world
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  Speaker 3: should look like and can look like when a woman
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  Speaker 3: of determination and power puts her mind to getting something done.
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  Speaker 1: On that note, once the vice president managed to get
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  Speaker 1: everybody to stop cheering, she delivered a version of her
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  Speaker 1: stump speech, which is, again, just that it is such
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  Speaker 1: a tight and coherent argument is amazing, given that the
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  Speaker 1: campaign didn't exist two weeks ago. And it works. And
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  Speaker 1: it works as if she's been campaigning and testing out things.
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  Speaker 1: you know, she did, you know, we're not going back.
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  Speaker 1: There were two notable additions to the speech, and I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to share them.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, on the other hand, has been talking a
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  Speaker 3: big game about securing our border, but he does not
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  Speaker 3: walk the walk.
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  Speaker 5: Or as my friend Quavo would say, he does not
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  Speaker 5: walk it like he talks it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Donald.
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  Speaker 5: I do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on.
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  Speaker 2: The debate stage.
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  Speaker 5: Because as the saying.
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  Speaker 3: Goes, if you've got something to say, say it to my.
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  Speaker 5: Face.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: we're going to deal with rallies with this much enthusiasm
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  Speaker 1: because on TikTok, everybody's going to 2x speed. Everybody's going
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  Speaker 1: to 2x speed. And the 2x speed version of the
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  Speaker 1: speech is going to be next to B-roll of cooking
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  Speaker 1: or Minecraft. I don't know how to make that happen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do about that, but that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't my question. What do you make of this debate line?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think this is the right fight to be
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  Speaker 1: picking right now?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's an appropriate fight in part because it
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  Speaker 3: signals how afraid of her the right.
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  Speaker 2: Is, the Republicans are.
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  Speaker 3: And this goes to all of the other pieces we
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  Speaker 3: can talk about that have come out of Republican side
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  Speaker 3: of the aisle, they weren't prepared for this fight. And
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  Speaker 3: they've had a while to get ready and they just
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  Speaker 3: weren't prepared. They had a very, very narrow narrative that
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  Speaker 3: they were going to use. And she is forcing them
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  Speaker 3: to think about how to do this. And they don't
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  Speaker 3: have much time either. But I think the other part
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  Speaker 3: of it is there is something about having this prosecutor,
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  Speaker 3: but also having this woman, this black and Asian American
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  Speaker 3: woman look at you and tell you that you're too
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  Speaker 3: afraid to face her in the schoolyard. And for someone
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  Speaker 3: who built his brand on being a bully, the reverse psychology,
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  Speaker 3: I think, is a thing of beauty.
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  Speaker 1: So Kamala makes reference to Cuervo. When Cuervo spoke, he
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  Speaker 1: talked about gun violence as part of why he was
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  Speaker 1: getting involved in the election. How valuable do you view
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  Speaker 1: surrogates from sort of pop culture, from outside of politics
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  Speaker 1: in this campaign? What can they do? What can't they do?
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  Speaker 3: Celebrities, influencers don't make you act. They remind you that
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  Speaker 3: action is necessary. They create a sense that if you
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  Speaker 3: take action, there is some benefit to it. And when
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  Speaker 3: you have the unexpected or the unusual, like a Quavo
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  Speaker 3: and a Megan Thee Stallion getting involved in a presidential
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  Speaker 3: campaign at this stage, for those voters who tuned out
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  Speaker 3: or hadn't yet tuned in, this is a reason to
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  Speaker 3: start paying attention. This is a reason not to skip
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  Speaker 3: past and flick through your For You page to go
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  Speaker 3: to the next video. And instead, what it creates is
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  Speaker 3: the sense that maybe I want to stick around, maybe
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  Speaker 3: I want to pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: So I talked about this with governor Tim walls on
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  Speaker 1: the show on Tuesday about sort of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: like people also just like kind of want to be
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  Speaker 1: associated with like winners, right? They like want to be
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  Speaker 1: part of a group of people that seem like they're
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  Speaker 1: going to win. And that may be part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason the Biden campaign had been struggling with certain groups
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  Speaker 1: of people, especially sort of younger men, uh, might be
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  Speaker 1: just because, uh, it didn't seem like it was the
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  Speaker 1: winning team or at least they didn't see themselves in
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  Speaker 1: the campaign. Is there, is there anything to that, but
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  Speaker 1: like that, that seeing that, like seeing celebrities and not
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  Speaker 1: like kind of, I don't know, the, the typical older
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  Speaker 1: democratic celebrities, but like kind of younger and like cooler
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  Speaker 1: people like that actually makes that, could it be more
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  Speaker 1: than just reminding you, but actually kind of inviting people in?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think part of, I think it is, it's
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  Speaker 3: reminding you, it's inviting you in, it's giving you a
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  Speaker 3: reason to believe that showing up matters. I will say though,
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  Speaker 3: I would frame it more as this is something new
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  Speaker 3: and different. We've had four years of President Biden and
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  Speaker 3: there is an energy that comes with a new name.
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  Speaker 3: It's like dating someone new. It doesn't mean you don't
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  Speaker 3: love the person just as much as you did the
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  Speaker 3: first time you went out, but when there's someone new
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  Speaker 3: on your, you know, When there's someone new who shows
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  Speaker 3: up in your DMs, there's a new excitement and it
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  Speaker 3: makes you more likely to feel this sense of enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think, and when cool people tell you,
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  Speaker 3: oh my God, in my case, or in both our cases,
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  Speaker 3: he's really cute, then it helps.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeing celebrities, we're seeing these 40,000, 100,000, 200,000 person calls,
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  Speaker 3: and they're dotted with people who haven't really commented on
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  Speaker 3: your past relationships, but now they're out to say, I
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  Speaker 3: think this is the right one.
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  Speaker 2: You should try it.
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  Speaker 1: So the vice president was also introduced by Tyler Green,
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  Speaker 1: who's a young black entrepreneur that the vice president had
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  Speaker 1: met with previously. In her speech, the VP said something
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  Speaker 1: and she said it here. She said in a few places.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to be clear that I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe this is something that's being like sort
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  Speaker 1: of directed only at black audiences. I think this is
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  Speaker 1: something she's trying to use to reach a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different groups. But she talked about the importance of building
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  Speaker 1: wealth and building generational wealth. And I'm curious what you think,
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  Speaker 1: because it's very purposeful, and I'm curious what you think
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  Speaker 1: that is trying to say and what it's meant to
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  Speaker 1: either address or kind of a misapprehension it's meant to combat.
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  Speaker 3: For so many communities, part of the doldrum of this
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  Speaker 3: campaign season has been no matter whose fault it is,
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  Speaker 3: the cost of living is high. the wage gap is real,
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  Speaker 3: and relief didn't seem to be in sight. The fundamentals
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  Speaker 3: haven't changed, but what she's able to articulate, and in
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  Speaker 3: particular to the Black community, because it does matter, as
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  Speaker 3: she was talking to Tyler, is that the racial wealth gap,
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  Speaker 3: the gender wealth gap, those are very real. Those are very,
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  Speaker 3: very salient. But she's also saying that as a new
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  Speaker 3: generation takes the lead, we're also trying to think about
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  Speaker 3: how do we make certain that the next generation enjoys
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  Speaker 3: the perks and the perquisites of that change. Generational wealth
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  Speaker 3: means that I don't have to worry the way my
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  Speaker 3: parents did. And more importantly, that I can give something
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  Speaker 3: to the next generation that they can build on. And
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  Speaker 3: that has not been true for a lot of communities,
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  Speaker 3: especially Southern communities, Black communities, communities of color, and communities
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  Speaker 3: led by women. And so I think that to your point,
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  Speaker 3: it does hit a lot of different frames, but there
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  Speaker 3: is a resonance among those who have grown up without,
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  Speaker 3: but more importantly, have grown up without the possibility of more.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't just aspirational, it was unattainable. And she is
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  Speaker 3: making it aspirational and saying, here's how we make it possible.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Democrats should be talking more about not
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  Speaker 1: just closing gaps in the safety net, but about like,
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  Speaker 1: getting rich in America, that there is still the dream
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  Speaker 1: that you could not just survive, but actually thrive?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I grew up in a working class, working poor family,
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  Speaker 3: depending on the day and whether the paycheck came through
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  Speaker 3: or not. Poor people don't begrudge rich people. Poor people
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  Speaker 3: want to be rich people. And this notion that all
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  Speaker 3: we should aspire to is to not fall isn't aspirational.
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  Speaker 3: That should be the baseline that we expect of our government,
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  Speaker 3: that we expect of our society. What we have to
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  Speaker 3: talk about is opportunity. What we have to talk about
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  Speaker 3: is how to thrive. We have to give people a
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  Speaker 3: reason to do more than the bare minimum. And if
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  Speaker 3: you know that if you do everything in your power,
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  Speaker 3: nothing changes, then you'll do less in your power. But
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  Speaker 3: the reverse of that is that because of this administration,
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  Speaker 3: because of the investments that have been made, in my
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  Speaker 3: speech I referenced black farmers. We've got entire cohorts and
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  Speaker 3: generations that have been blocked from and kept out of opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: And there is something seismic and transformative about having a
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  Speaker 3: candidate for president who says, I see you and I'm
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  Speaker 3: willing to make certain that you.
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  Speaker 2: Can have more. I talk about it in this way.
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  Speaker 3: Not everyone's going to be millionaires, but we can create
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot more thousandaires in this country. And that
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  Speaker 3: thousandaire aspiration means maybe you're not sending your kid to
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  Speaker 3: private school if that's your bent.
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  Speaker 2: But you can at least afford camp.
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  Speaker 3: That you may not be creating the next multi-billion dollar
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  Speaker 3: tech company in your garage, but you can create that
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  Speaker 3: bakery in your basement that helps you take care of
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  Speaker 3: yourself and your family and buy a house for your mom.
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  Speaker 3: That's what people want to know that they can do.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I think Democrats have to do a
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  Speaker 3: better job of articulating while we're defending what we've built
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  Speaker 3: through generations of you know, what FDR did and what
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  Speaker 3: LBJ did and what we have seen for the first
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  Speaker 3: time recently in the work of the Biden-Harris administration is
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  Speaker 3: that we can aim better, we can aim higher, we
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  Speaker 3: can have more, but we can't ignore those who still
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  Speaker 3: need the basics because the basics are under threat as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of, I feel like part of it
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  Speaker 1: has been like when you're fighting such an onslaught, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: you do, it is a victory to stop terrible things, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't one of the, like one of the
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  Speaker 1: most hopeful experiences I've had in politics in the last, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like 10 to 15 years was the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: moment when John McCain gave a thumbs down and saved Obamacare.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But obviously like that was, that was just stopping something
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: stupid and awful. That was trying to desperately protect like
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: a better status quo than we'd had, but a status
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: quo nonetheless. So it is like, it is, I think
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: part of what's exciting about what the vice president can
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: do is she can pivot towards the future and not
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: just about what we're stopping. But as she does that,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the Republican Death Star, the VC money, the tech bro money,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Trump campaign money, the right-wing operatives, it's sort of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: starting to hone in on what they're going to attack
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris on. The Quavo riff that we just played
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was also a counterpunch on what many would say is
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: one of the vice president's biggest weaknesses, which is the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: situation at the border. At least that's what the Republicans
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: would like it to be. The Trump campaign is up
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: with a new ad hitting her on this. Let's listen.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: This is America's border czar, and she's failed us. Under Harris,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: over 10 million illegally here. A quarter of a million
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: Americans dead from fentanyl. Brutal migrant crimes. And ISIS now here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Do you have any plans to visit the border?
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: You haven't been to the border.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: And I haven't been to Europe.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: I don't understand the point that you're making.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Kamala Harris failed. Weak, dangerously liberal.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. First of all, and I haven't been
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to Europe.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It is very funny. It's a very funny thing. It's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: a very serious situation. And I see why it's in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the ad, but it is funny. The ad makes me
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: want to hide under the table. In her speech last night,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Harris pointed out that she was a prosecutor going after
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: criminality at the border. They're also up with an ad
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that hits Trump on his blocking. of the bipartisan border
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: security deal. What do you make of that attack? How
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: do you believe the vice president should be fighting back
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: against it?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I think that the attack makes sense in their eyes.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: They've spent four years trying to build this narrative and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: build this crescendo. I think they've got two weaknesses that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the Harris campaign is laudably focusing on. One is that, yes,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you dared us to fix it. We tried and you
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: stopped it. And so you can't set fire to the
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: house and then get mad that there's flame.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: We tried to put it out. You would not let us.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And therefore, you're either craven and you wanted this dangerous
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: situation or you're a hypocrite. And you don't actually think
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it's that bad. But basically, it's the terrible question that
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you ask where you're trapped one way or the other.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: And so I think what Harris is doing effectively is
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: reminding people that, yes, there is a crisis because you
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: don't want to tell people, don't believe your damned eyes.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: But you do want to remind them that he played
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a role in it and that when you tried to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fix it, he wouldn't let you. That proves the weakness
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: of both the attack, but also the possibility and the
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: potential for her to be even better because she can say, well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I could have gotten this through if you'd
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: just let me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also the, so I think that's part of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it too. But I also like, you know, one thing
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that's been heartening in polling on immigration over many years
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: is that even with all the demagoguery around it, there
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: remains a bipartisan, big majority in favor of of a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: generous immigration system. And in fact, the polls kind of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: show that people separate the border from immigration. And I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: do think that like, I think for a beat, especially
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that there was a kind of conflation of the two
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and the way you proved you were progressive on immigration
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was by being less focused on the need for border security.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if you feel like it's important that Democrats...
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: actually full-throatedly say we embrace border security kind of unabashedly?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I'm always wary of trying to convince the other side
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: by using their language because they're framing it's not legitimate.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: That's not what they're asking for. And so I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: what she has to say is I'm going to go
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: after criminals. She has to be specific about what it is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But the extent to which you adopt someone else's frame
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and then try to defend yourself against using their own language,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you're going to get caught up in their narrative. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I resist that as a fundamental belief system.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I guess I don't, I guess I don't,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I would have, I would agree with that completely. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: think I'm saying something slightly different, which is that I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: don't think it's just the Republican narrative. Like, I think
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Republicans have stoked concerns about the border, right? But at
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the same time, like, one of the ways you get
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to a coalition, forget Republicans, just a coalition of voters
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: who embrace a path to citizenship for people that are here,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to have more immigration into this country is by demonstrating
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that you can reduce undocumented immigration and increase legal immigration, right?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like you have to kind of do those things hand
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in hand.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm agreeing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I wouldn't use their terms of
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: art to define it. And what she has done, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: think effectively in that first ad, is that she talks
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: about arresting and prosecuting trans, she prosecutes the criminals who
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: cross the border. Because when you see the images of
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: a child, a 14-year-old trying to come across, that technically
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: falls under the auspice of that term of art, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that's not what we mean. And to your point, she
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: needs to point out, one, that she's strong because she
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: is a woman of color running for the highest office
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: in the land. And so she doesn't get the benefit
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: of any doubt, but she's also got to create her
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: own language and narrative for how she's different. And if
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you take their frame and use their language... you fall
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: into the traps they will then try to tie you
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: up with. I'm saying I completely agree with you. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think the way she's framing it is actually quite
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: smart and quite genius, which is I'm a prosecutor. I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: the only one of us who's actually put people in
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: jail for doing what you're talking about.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And I will do it better.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: So speaking of the vice president being a prosecutor, it's interesting.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I'm in California. She was the chief law enforcement officer
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of the state of California. That's a big part of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: who she was. It was the focus of when she
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: would write a book. That's what she would talk about.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I think in 2020, I think one of the reasons
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: people had concerns about Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was because she kind of backed away from that story
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: when she was running and it wasn't clear what other
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: story would replace it. Now she is running as a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: prosecutor versus a criminal. She is talking about her record.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: She's embracing it fully. And at the same time, she
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is phasing attacks for a variety of positions and statements
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: she made in the 2020 race. And her campaign appears
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to just be trying to kind of back away from
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those positions at once, whether it's around
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fracking or single-payer healthcare and so on. What do you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: make of this? Just like, what do you make of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: like the political strategy of just saying, I am moving
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: away from those positions. Those are not my current position.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I would say four years is a long time and
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: 97 days isn't much time. And so I think they're
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: doing what they need to, to bring an audience in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: that didn't pay attention to the 2020 primaries that needs
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to meet her in this current moment. And this current
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: moment has a number of contours that didn't exist four
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: years ago. But you also do not have time to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: do a litany of here are all the ways and
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: the reasons each thing is different. So I think the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: smartest thing to do when you're introducing yourself as you're
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: on your way to the aisle is to give people,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: here's who I am. I'll give you the rest of
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: my story, but let me tell you who I am
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and what you can expect if we can get this
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: done right now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So I also like saying, okay, her positions have evolved
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on certain issues. Fine, great. it's not going to prevent
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the ads. The ads are going to run, right? The
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: ads are going to run with the hand-raising around decriminalizing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the border, on fracking ban, on there's that moment where
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: she talks about having that conversation of people voting while
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: they're in prison, all these things designed to kind of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: spook moderates or paint her as sort of a leftist maniac.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: How should she talk about this? How should she Like, okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they've said, you know, on the record, these are no
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: longer her positions. How should she talk about it? Should
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: she ignore it? What would she do to counteract those attacks?
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I think, again, I would go to the core of
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: introducing myself and then introducing how I think about the world.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: So instead of going issue by issue, I would go
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: value by value. People vote based on the values they
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: think you hold because they're trying to anticipate how you'll
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: make decisions when no one is there to watch you
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: and hold you accountable. I don't think you can walk
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: back or alter, you can't wreck con history unless you've
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: got really good deep fakes.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So we're left with what is.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And in this moment, she's got to say, here are
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the values I'm going to use. And here are the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: values I will apply to these topics and to these situations.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: And here's who I'm going to surround myself with. She's
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: got to show that she's curious about why these issues
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: are out there and what else needs to be done.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So I think part of the opportunity in this last,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: in this, you know, 97 day stretch is to replace
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the litany of attacks with the value characterizations because the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: other guy has no values. He is happy to rewrite
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: history in the same sentence. And so you've got a
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: pretty good contrast to say this is what you can
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: know about me and this is why you can trust me.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: We may not agree on everything, but here's how I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: going to think about the work you need me to do.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So one of those attacks, it's coming from all quarters,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: sometimes more subtly than others, is around race, you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: describing the vice president as a DEI candidate, you There's,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I think, like two schools of thought on this. One is,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I think, you've got to take it on full, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you've got to just sort of address this fully. You
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: have to fight back. It's ridiculous. It's disgusting.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: It's racist.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, there's this idea that there's a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: little bit of bait, right? That if you're in a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: debate about whether a certain attack is racist, you're not
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: actually talking about the substance of the attack. You're talking
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: about whether or not the attack is racist. And I'm curious, like, Look,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I'll stop talking about this topic and I'll just let
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you tell us.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: What- I've had a little bit of experience.
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: So here's how I would say it. You don't take
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the bait of it being a pejorative. That's the first thing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: DEI isn't bad. In fact, I would argue that if
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you benefited from Title I education, which was designed to
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: expand access to education to the poorest children in America,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that was a DEI law. That was part of diversity, equity,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and inclusion in education. Well, if you grew up in
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the Appalachian Mountains in the United States and, oh, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: don't know, the last 30 years, you benefited from Title
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I education. Therefore, you received the benefit of DEI. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: rather than us running away from this narrative, I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: we just need to embrace and understand that diversity, equity,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and inclusion are the core values of this country. Diversity
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: is all people. Equity means access to opportunity. And inclusion
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: means a pathway for all Americans. Why should we be
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: afraid of that? Why should we walk away from it?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: As I would say when I was running, I'm a
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: black woman.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You can't miss me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And so I can either pretend we don't see me
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: or we can talk about why I am so qualified
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: because of what I've experienced. Kamala Harris has managed to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: make it in one of the most competitive jobs in
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the world. And she now stands as the standard bearer.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: What I would ask is, why are you afraid of competition?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Why do you think that it should only be those
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: who never had to fight? Why shouldn't this be a
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: job that everyone who's willing to do the work can get?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Because diversity, equity, and inclusion is proof that the American
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: dream works. And that's why she's the candidate for president
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: of the United States.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to win Georgia?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's going to take some time and take some
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: work and take some effort, take some money.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: What is the actual on-the-ground value or any objective observations
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you can make about what this enthusiasm and shift, the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: vibe shift has meant in terms of actually changing the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: outcome in Georgia?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned money at the end intentionally.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: We can have all of the enthusiasm we want to,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: but it takes investment. you're not trying to win the
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: people who showed up at the rally. You're trying to
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: win the people who didn't know that there was a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: rally because they were worried about whether they could pay
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: their bills. And reaching those marginal voters, which is what
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: we did in 20 and 21 and 22 and 18,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: those marginal voters need folks to go out and those
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: folks need someone to pay them for their gas and
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: for their door knocking and for their time. And so
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: investment is what's going to make that happen. This is
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: a marginal voter election. And in every single swing state,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Our path to victory means who are we talking to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: on the margins, not who are thinking Trump or Harris,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: but are thinking vote or not vote. And so our
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: mission has to be, here's a reason to vote. She
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: is the reason that voting will.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Matter for you. But we've got to do the hard
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: work of making sure you understand it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And just if you're hearing this, you can also sign
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: up to help on the ground or donate to the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: people fighting on the ground in Georgia at votesaveamerica.com and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: at Fair Fight.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: If you go to fairfight.com slash LFGV, you can sign
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: up to volunteer.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: We'd love to have your help.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Luckily for Trump, he's got a great asset, which is J.D. Vance,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to make him seem more personable. Yesterday, the Harris campaign
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: posted yet another, there have been so many of these videos,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but another video of Vance saying, something terrible about people
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: who don't have kids. We're going to play a hopefully
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: brief clip.
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: I think we have to go to war against the
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: anti-child ideology that exists in our country. There was this
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: ridiculous effort by millennial feminist writers to talk about why
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: having kids was not a good thing, why they were
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: glad they didn't have kids. And what it made me
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: realize is that so much of what drives elite culture
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: is is mediocre millennial journalists who haven't gotten out of
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: their career what they thought they would, right? You're gonna
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: be a sad, lonely, pathetic person, and you're gonna know
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: it internally, so you're gonna project it onto people who
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: have actually built something more meaningful with their lives.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: That's tough to hear. I guess I'm not a journalist,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't really apply to me. But this comes
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: after a bunch of rounds about, you know, Van saying
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: things that not having kids makes you more sociopathic, deranged. Now, look,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: we're just a couple of childless sociopaths here talking. What
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do you think the war on us is going to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: look like?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I've gone through one of these, Salvo.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: So in my campaigns, both in 18 and 22, Brian
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Kemp would always invoke his wife and children in answering
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: what he had for dinner or what was the state
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: of the economy. Every answer was used to remind people
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: not so subtly that I did not have children because
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: this is a very common thing. frame of attack for
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: republicans in particular against women candidates the notion that if
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: we have not procreated we are incapable of human concern
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: is one of their favorite approaches and he is trying
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: jd vance has made you know apparently an entire compendium
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: of how deeply he reviles those who did not have
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: children and so i think part of our responsibility is
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to call it out and to identify that this is
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: an attempt not just to attack Kamala Harris, it's an
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: attempt to demean women standing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: For public office.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you saw the guy on
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: The Five on Fox News who believed it's also a
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: conversion therapy issue. So I think there is a deep
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: animus towards women of power. or women who have the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: audacity to seek to participate in spaces and domains that
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: they consider their own. And God help you if you
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: didn't have a kid along the way. Although if you
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: did have a kid, then how can you possibly have
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the time and energy to do this work? So let's
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: also remember that this frame is double-edged because their argument
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: for women who have children is that they're abandoning and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: not doing what they should for their families because they're
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: running for office.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're, I'm glad you raised that because there is
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to me like it's like, yes, underneath the kind of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: knee jerk misogyny, what's underneath? Oh, it's just a different
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: kind of more kind of deeper form of misogyny right underneath,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: because some of this is about attacking individuals.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: But if you listen to what Vance is saying, there
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: is a kind of critique, an actual substantive critique of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: basically modernity. Right. And around about two about not just
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: people who don't have children, but single parent households, households
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: where both parents work.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: That there's a there's a kind of traditionalism, like a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: revanchism that's about saying that like these that that like
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the kind of cosmopolitan elite is trying to impose a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: certain kind of lifestyle on you. And that's the reason
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that's the reason things have gone wrong. wrong for you.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It's not a lack of opportunity financially. It's not economic inequality.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: It's not housing costs. It's not financial. It's cultural. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it's not your fault.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's the Harrison Butker speech that we
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: can reshape and reframe America's future if women just learn
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: their place and went back to what they were supposed
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: to do. It is Mark Robinson saying women shouldn't have
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the right to vote. And I think It's critical in
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: this election that we draw a through line. There is
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: no difference. It might be a matter of how they
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: frame it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And J.D.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Vance is using his Yale law education. And I apologize,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: you know, as one who had it too, it doesn't
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: make us all the same. But he's trying, he might
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: use highbrow language to describe it. But there is a
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: deep misogyny. But there's also, to your point, there is
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: an attempt to cast blame and take no responsibility. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: you can do that more easily when you have people
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: fighting amongst themselves and not looking at who's in charge.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's also part of the, like the kind of turn
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: against no fault divorce. Oh yeah. Right. And like, again,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it's like a, it's a turn. It does tie back to,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to this like sort of turn against freedom, right? Because
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: how can they justify taking away your basic bodily autonomy?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: How can they justify taking away your right to divorce,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to make decisions about the kind of life you have? Well,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: because it's somehow imposing on them, right? They're being imposed
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: upon by your choices.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Well, they're not only being imposed upon, they are at risk.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: This is an existential crisis. Demographic maps tell you that
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the changing dynamic, and to your point, this is a
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: modernity issue. And in this moment, the structural protections that
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: they have relied upon forever are falling away. And so
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: if you have, if you eliminate no-fault divorce, if you
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: eliminate abortion, if you eliminate women participating in the workforce,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: if you make it difficult, you can force them to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: then repopulate the earth in some Planet of the Apes
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: retcon that is not what we need, but is very
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: reflective of their belief that they are losing power and
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the only way to get it back is to take
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: it from others.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Before we go, we have some breaking news here. As
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we've been recording, apparently, and I just want to say,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: neither Stacey nor I has seen this. We're going to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: react to something we have not seen. But by all accounts,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump appearing at the National Association of Black Journalists
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: has in some fashion gone off the rails. What that means,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: we don't know. But I believe we're going to share it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We're going to be able to see a clip. We
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: have a kind of supercut of what's been taking place
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: so far. sort of a horrified look on a row
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: of producers that just can't believe what we're about to watch.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that. I don't want to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: hype it up anymore. I don't know what we're going
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: You have pushed false claims about some of your rivals,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: from Nikki Haley to former President Barack Obama, saying that
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: they were not born in the United States, which is
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: not true. You have told four congresswomen of color who
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: were American citizens to go back to where they came from,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: black district attorneys. You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: So my question, sir, now that you are asking black
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: you after you have used language like that?
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: asked a question in such a horrible manner, first question.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: You don't even say, hello.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: How are you?
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: If I came onto a stage like this and I
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: got treated so rudely as this woman treated me.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: Oh my goodness.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: And I'm fine with it because she, it doesn't, she
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: was very rude, sir. Very rude. That was a nasty,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: that wasn't a question. She didn't ask me a question.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: She gave a statement.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: That wasn't a question.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I repeated your statement, sir, actually.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: She was always of Indian heritage and she was only
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black until
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: a number of years ago when she happened to turn
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: black and now she wants to be known as black.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: So I don't know, is she Indian or is she black?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I respect either one.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't. A lot
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: of the journalists in this room are black. I will
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: tell you that coming from the border are millions and
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: millions of people that happen to be taking black jobs.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You had the best.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: What exactly is a black job, sir?
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: A black job is anybody that has a job.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Anybody that has a job.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: They also have to stop the invasion. And remember, they're
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: taking your jobs. These people coming in, Are taking your job.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Project 2025.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I think we have to leave it there by the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Trump team.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: All right. So leave it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: That is the last word.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Mr. Trump, for coming today and
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: joining us.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Well... Seems like that went well.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: If he keeps like this, a black job will be
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: president of the United States again.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Hey, pretty good. Pretty good.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So I will say, I'll tell you what my two.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Just process. Just give yourself a second to process.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Give myself a second to process. Here's one point I'd
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: want to make. There are people saying that the National
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Association of Black Journalists was wrong to invite Donald Trump.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I disagreed completely from the beginning. They are journalists. Their
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: job is to ask questions.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: And I believe he realized that simply being invited does
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: not mean that you are going to be asked what
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: you want to be asked.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that. And then, you know, it is a
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: shame that Donald Trump is caught off guard by such
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a reasonable question. And it does seem to me a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: problem that it takes going to a National Association of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Black Journalists to be asked a question about racism and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: specifically anti-Black racism in a way that surprises him. Don't
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I think he was shocked by the fact that these
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: journalists held him accountable. He was if I were in
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: his head, he deigned to show up. And if you
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: listen to the beginning of his response, his offense began
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: with the fact that they didn't, the niceties weren't observed.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: This is someone who has made an art of bullying
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: and ignoring the niceties. But I guess because what sounded
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: to me like a group of black women weren't, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: courteous in the way he would imagine they should be,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: everything that follows was, you know, I'm trying to think
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: of a term of art that doesn't just use four
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: or seven letters.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll just fill in the blanks ourselves. You know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it reminds me also of, you know, J.D. Vance gave
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this stump speech that went obviously very poorly for a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: number of reasons. And it meant that people didn't pay
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: enough attention, I think, to this moment where J.D. Vance
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: says that Kamala Harris isn't grateful to America. And obviously,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you know, not hard to parse that. misogyny and racism
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: in that, but it was especially galling after she had
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: given a speech that was just sort of laden with
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: patriotic fervor. Do they understand that they're motivated by a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: certain expectation around women, and especially women of color, in
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: terms of how they expect to be kind of, I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: don't know, genuflected at?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: They expect genuflection and catering, but also a reduction of
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: the woman herself. They don't understand how it could be
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: that women, especially women of color, actually believe in equality.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: And I go back to our earlier conversation about DEI.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: This is a community of people who fundamentally despise diversity.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: They do not believe in equity and they find inclusion
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: to be an insult. They're just saying the quiet part
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: out loud. And they're saying it because they think the
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: rest of America is going to agree, or at least
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: a sufficient number who can then help them collect the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: electoral college votes they need to get.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Restored to power.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: But no, and what perplexes me is that despite the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: evidence of their eyes and the continued progress, they think
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: that if they just say it one more time, progress
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: will stop. But because they know that's not true, we
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: have Project 2025.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also, you know, I am sure that like
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: when J.D. Vance says that Kamala Harris isn't grateful or
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: when Trump says what Trump says on the stump about DEI,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like I'm sure that there are heads nodding.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: In that room. I just, it like, I think that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: just they're not, That is not a reflection of where
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the broader country is. That's a reflection of where maybe
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: some segment of their base is.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: 60% of Americans agree with DEI. When you explain what
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: it means, the number jumps to 69%. This is based
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: on a Washington Post poll from a month or so ago.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: What they don't like is that it works and that
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: it has worked so effectively. Kamala Harris is not just
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: a viable candidate for president. but has an equal chance
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: of getting that job as a Donald Trump.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: That J.D.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Vance gets held accountable for his horrific narratives about women.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: They don't like that this cohort that they believe, to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: your point, should be genuflecting, has the audacity to actually
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: compete and worse, to win.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And on that note, hey, I just want to shout
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: out to mediocre, liberal, childless journalists in the cities. You're
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: doing the work and we appreciate you. Why are we
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in this mess? Well, a lot of the reason we're
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in this mess is because as much as we're fighting
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: every day to live in a democracy, it is a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: democracy with a bunch of anti-majoritarian tendencies that makes our
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: job harder. You talk about this in the first episode
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of Assembly Required. about the electoral college and why so
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: many of us feel frustrated about the system. Here's a clip.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: In most competitions, it's first past the post. Whoever gets
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the majority of votes, whoever gets a plurality, that's the
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: person that wins. But in the United States, when it
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: comes to the top job, it's a handful of states
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: that actually make the decision. They're the ones that get
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the money. They're the ones that get the canvassers. They're
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the ones that get the ads. Almost everyone else just
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: sort of watches from the sidelines. The Electoral College forces
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: voters to narrow down their choices. And the way that
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: happens is that because we have so few states that
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: actually get to participate, candidates have to essentially fit into
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: a frame. They've got to narrow the way they talk
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: about what they want. And they do it because they
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: want to collect votes in a few swing states that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: are considered the ones that make the decisions. And that
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: means that voters who aren't in swing states are left
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: feeling like their votes don't really matter.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I love the way you put that. Can you just
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about one of the ways this
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: seemingly impossible problem is actually solvable?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: So the United States has a uniquely terrible system in
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: the Electoral College with its absolute history in racism. And
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: it was created to allow Southern states to claim the
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: bodies of slaves and not their souls as part of
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the electorate. And so there is a vile history to
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the electoral college. That said, we are not the only
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: country that has once had a system that didn't allow
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: the people direct contact with the outcome. But those countries
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: have fixed it. They've made changes. And it can feel overwhelming.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to think that we can change the constitution because that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: really hard. But what we can do is diminish the
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: utility of this system by changing whose voices get into
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the political system to begin with. And one of those
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: ways is ranked choice voting. And so I got to
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: have this amazing conversation with Cynthia Ritchie, who has been
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: working on this issue very effectively.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And we have seen ranked choice voting take on a
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: lot of momentum.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: But the way to think about this is, no, we
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: can't take away the Electoral College in time for November.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: But we've got four years to go across this country
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and change how voters are demanding their engagement with candidates
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: be revised. And if we can do those pieces, we
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: can make things better.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And so just so people understand what rank choice voting,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: just what is it and why does it change? What
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: would it do?
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: So rank choice voting basically says, I like this guy
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: a lot. He checks like, six of my 10 boxes.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: But this lady, she checks eight of them. And I'd
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: rather put her first, but I'm not sure she can win. Well,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: in the current political system, you skip the woman because
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: the guy seems more likely to win. And so you
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: put aside your values because you're trying to game the
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: system and figure out the lottery of winning. Ranked choice
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: voting says, no, you can pick her. You can put
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: her first, but you can put the other guy second.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And if everyone else that you know is thinking exactly
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: the same way, she'll win. But if you're right and
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: the guy is going to get more votes, then instead
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: he gets your vote second. So you haven't wasted a vote.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: This is the most economical and I would say efficient
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: way to really understand and have our leaders reflect our needs.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And so could that like, so for example, that would
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: do away with the concerns about say a spoiler, right?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Because- Somebody could somebody who's is sort of going to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: vote for a third party can put the Democrats second.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: And then once that first once that basically the way
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: it would work is the votes would be tallied. They
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: would be clear that that third party candidate wouldn't have
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: enough votes to be in the top two or however
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it was done. And then the votes that were their
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: second choice place would go to the person that remained.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: One issue around sort of I think sometimes people get
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: hung up on, say, like the anti-democratic nature of the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Senate and how unfair it is. that Wyoming has two senators,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: which is the same as California. But I have a
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: feeling Democrats wouldn't care as much if Democrats were winning
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in some of these smaller states, right? Like we're not
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: going to change the makeup of the Senate, but we
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: could change the fact that there is a kind of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: allergy to electing Democrats statewide when we know that Democratic
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: progressive policies would actually help the people right now that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: are voting against Democrats that right now don't view Democrats
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: as a viable option. for them. How do you think
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: about that, right? Like sometimes you got to fight the system.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to win inside of the system.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. We like to call that Alaska.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: So if you look at how ranked choice voting works,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: you have a hyper conservative governor, you have Lisa Murkowski,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: a moderate Republican senator, and you have Mary Peltola, a
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: liberal Democrat congresswoman, all elected on the same ballot. Because
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: voters had the choice to figure out what they ranked
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: highest in terms of need for each of those races.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: And as it turned out, because they were able to
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: listen to and support candidates who reflected their values for
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: what that job required, they got the mix at least
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: that they could live with. But what was also really
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: important is that Mary was telling folks to vote for
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Lisa and Lisa was telling folks to vote for Mary.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how the governor got in. But I
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: do know that for ranked choice voting, it meant that
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: more people got what they needed and that's what politics
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: should actually be.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Can you just let us know, what are some other
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: topics that you'll be covering in the first couple of episodes?
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: We're also going to tackle the issue of disinformation and
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: misinformation and the fact that there's a difference. And particularly
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: in this moment, we need to understand how we fight
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: back and we don't get into the trap. We're going
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: to talk to young voters about what they need to
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: see and hear in this election cycle. And because I
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: have an 18-year-old niece who is helping me pick my topics,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: we're also going to have conversations about where young people
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: are getting their media these days. I remember MTV. I
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: remember when MTV was created and there was Nick News.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: But the landscape has changed. What is that doing to
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: how we think about things? And because it's me, I'm
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: going to find some way to do something about science
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: fiction at some point.
• 53:58
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