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083 - The Creative Spark: Insights and Inspiration for Revitalizing Your Artistic Process · The Nerdy Photographer Podcast

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Casey Fatchett: For your listening information, this
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this timeline. Snug. Yeah, I know what that means, that maybe
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somehow I'm not from this timeline, and I'm having a
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little bit of an existential Time Crisis just pondering that
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possibility. Snug you're not helping. On this episode, I sit
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down and talk with renowned fashion and editorial
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photographer, art director and educator, Johnny Edward. I have
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to say, this was a fantastic talk about creativity that I've
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listened to a couple of times now since we recorded it, and
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just stick around after the break. This is an amazing
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discussion, and you need to listen to it. Snug, snug, snug,
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snug. What do you mean? I might not be in the right place in
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what's the good news? You have six months to live. That's good
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news. Better than a
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Casey Fatchett: week. You've got me there, Doc,
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Jonny Edward: I was just gonna say it speaks to the idea of
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small gestures. I had a personal project going for some time that
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I called forgotten faces, and it was basically just meeting and
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photographing individuals who are unhoused or dealing with
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addiction, essentially on the streets for one reason or
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another. And, you know, I got to the point where I think I
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photographed like, at least 100 of these individuals, probably
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talked to 500 and at the end of it, I would always ask, I'd say,
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Listen, you know, at one point, I was sort of a liaison with the
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city trying to help individuals get services who are in these
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positions. And I'm like, what do you need? Like, if I have any
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opportunity to relay this, what do they need? What do you need?
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And they're like this, acknowledgement,
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acknowledgement, like, I'm a fucking human being. And that
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was so powerful to me that these are people who don't have food,
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they don't have medical care, they don't have housing, they're
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constantly in danger. They're constantly in chaos. And what
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they wanted, the vast majority of the individuals I spoke with,
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was for someone to look them in the eyes and smile or say hello
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to actually, for people to treat them like they existed in this
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society. And it's like, I'm just, I get just saying it. I'm
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like, fuck yeah, yeah.
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Casey Fatchett: And just, I mean that I'm a very emotional
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person. And this is because, and this is because of years of
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therapy, like, of just letting it out and being It didn't used
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to be this way, but it's, it's a Yeah, like that. Even you just
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saying that made me feel a lot of feelings. Oh, on that note,
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Hey everybody. Welcome to the nerdy photographer podcast. I am
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your host. Casey Fatchett. I am joined today by Johnny Edward,
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thank you for joining us, or as other people may know you,
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Johnny creative, I think this problem. I mean that the first
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time I saw that that handle, I was just like, that is fucking
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brilliant.
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Jonny Edward: The real, the real irony of that, that handle too,
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it was, it was out of necessity. When I started my Instagram,
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whatever it was eight years ago, someone had my exact name,
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Johnny Edward, and still to this day they have it, no followers,
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no content, no interaction. And so I'm like, shit. What am I
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going to do? And then I'm like, Well, I'm a creative person.
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Fuck it. I At this point, I wasn't even in photography, so I
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actually started my Instagram to kind of document this tattoo
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journey as I started to build out the bodysuit. And then it
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just stuck. And now to this day, I see people on the street and
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they're like, Yo, Johnny, creative. And I'm like, Yeah, I
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guess, yeah. So it's
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Casey Fatchett: just legally changed the name now it's like,
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but it reminds me of, like, I don't know. Like, it like, it's
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some sort of, I don't know. I'm a child of the, you know, 80s.
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It's like a Saturday morning cartoon character. Director who,
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like, shows up and he's got his like, adventure each day, like
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each week, and we're gonna do something creative this week,
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guys. And it's just like, you know,
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Jonny Edward: maybe I need to do that. That needs to be like, a
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weekly sort of, you know, like Bob Ross, but for photography,
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Casey Fatchett: or whatever, man, like, you just creative
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stuff. It doesn't have to be, like, break out of that mold.
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You don't have to stay in the photographer mold.
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Jonny Edward: It's, it's true. Yeah, it took me a long time. I
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mean forever. I think I not forever, obviously, but for a
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long time I referred to myself as a photographer, and I'm very
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mindful of my words now where I say artist instead of
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photographer, because I think words have power. So even that
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verbiage trying to get away from that encapsulation and go, Well,
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I'm, I'm an artist, and I create via so many different mediums.
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It just so happens that right now, the main outlet is via
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photography. But that's not a defining factor. It's sort of
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ancillary to the reality of what I am, and I think the reality of
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what so many of us are.
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Casey Fatchett: And the thing is, like, you know, I was
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looking, you know, not just through your Instagrams, because
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we're so much more than our social media feeds, which, you
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know, if I could do away with social media, for the business
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part of social media, I would completely do away with it. But
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I love the connecting with people aspect of it, like the
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actual social part of it. And like, you know, I've met and
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become friends with people over, like, vast distances because of
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social media. But like looking through your work as a
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photographer, visual artist, whatever you choose to use, I
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was struck by two different things. There was one side of
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your work, and I'm not like trying to pitch and all you
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anyway, but there's this one side that's has a very distinct
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and great like, kind of, like, slightly gritty but distinct,
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commercially fashion type of feel to it. And then there was
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this side that I really connected with, and like we can
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get into this in a moment that is not technically perfect, is
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what I guess would be like, the it sort of lets go of the sense
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of technical perfection. And as someone who has struggled with
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anxiety for a very, very long time, I really like there was a
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time in my photography career where everything had to be
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perfect every shot. I'm primarily a wedding
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photographer. I do a lot of other things, you know, as well,
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just like creatively for myself, but if I was going through and
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calling a wedding and 1000s of photos, like any picture that
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wasn't like the subject wasn't perfectly in focus, and
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everything was gone out of here. But then, I think at some point,
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and it was before I realized like that I had anxiety, there
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were moments where I would just be like, No, this Emotionally, I
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feel something here. I'm feeling something. And maybe I wasn't
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doing it intentionally, or maybe I was, but then it made me think
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creatively. What is happening here? Why do I like this? What
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is it saying to me? And I see that in a lot of like, you're
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like, more, I think, I don't know maybe it is, this is work
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you're gonna pay for. But like, it seems more of like your
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personal stuff, the self portraits, like your series of
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self portraits, just like it. I mean, it grabs me in a lot of
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ways. It's just like, it makes me, it makes me face my own sort
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of inner issues with, like, dealing with myself as a
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perfectionist, and, yeah, that just that aspect of your work
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really speaks to me.
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Jonny Edward: Oh, I appreciate that immensely. And I think it
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has taken a long time for me to get there too. You know, it must
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have been a few years back, so I've been working in the studio
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now for, I want to say five years to six years, something
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like that, in a consistent fashion. And at one point it
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must have been three or four years ago, people started
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referring to my work, who I met, or editors, or, you know, folks
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on social media, as clean. Clean. That was the descriptor
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for my work. Bro, your work's so clean, dude, you have such clean
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work. And that really started to get under my skin, because I'm
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like, fuck. I was driven to photography for emotional
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reasons, and that's a whole other podcast and story. But
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essentially it was me reconnecting with parts of
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myself being mired in anxiety and depression and all of these
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things. And so I've always had sort of this reverence for the
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art form, especially since that because it literally saved my
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life. And so when people started referring to it with that
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verbiage, clean, I went, I'm doing something seriously
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fucking wrong. And it's exactly like you hit the nail on the
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head. It's exactly what you said. I was so hyper focused on
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my exact ratios of light. I was so hyper focused on the rule of
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thirds. I was so hyper focused on everything that I started
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almost deconstructing the individuals who stepped in front
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of my lens into subjects instead of humans. I was no longer
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photographing a person. This individual just happened to be
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part of my composition, and I had to step away from that and
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kind of free myself up. And I don't even necessarily know how
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I do that. I did that, I think was just through a lot of
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experimentation and soul searching, but where I'm like, I
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want someone to look at my photo and go, I feel and it could be.
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They could say, I hate it. I love it. It. Made me cry, it
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made me laugh, that I that's what I want in my art, is that
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emotional response, and that's what takes something from being
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an image to art, in my very humble opinion. So it's been,
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it's been very and it's still hard to this extent, because I
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can see something that I create, go, I love it, but I'm like, Ah,
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shit, you know, if my if this would have been a little
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different, if I would have just moved that out of frame, or this
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into frame. And even when I do, you know, like zooms and stuff.
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I'm so just particular about where everything's at. And I'm
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like, Shit, I I need, I need to let go. And the harder, the
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harder you try and let go, sometimes the harder you hang
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on. It's a paradox.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, anything that, I mean, I for sure, was,
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like, really holding on to that, because it gave me a sense of
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control. Yes, absolutely, gave me a sense of control. Like, oh,
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I'm using I am, like you said, adhered to the rule of thirds,
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or to whatever the golden ratio, or whatever it was. Like, I've
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got to break it down, because I was also a math person and
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engineering background in school, so physics and math and
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so, yeah, I was just like, everything's got to be. Got to
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fit into these very rigid parameters. And even though I
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was a very creative person in that, I wasn't allowing myself
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to really be creative in my head, like really letting myself
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go. And I think that that is something that a lot of people
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deal with as as far as creative, because I think we also get
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stuck in a lot of ways because of we when we're working
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photographers, when we're getting paid to do this. I think
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that, I mean, I don't know, I hear it a lot. So as I'm saying,
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I think it happens a lot. I think that we can sort of get
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stuck in feeling like, this is what we're gonna get paid to do,
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yeah, what people will pay us for. And we sort of block
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ourselves from going any further, because we're like,
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ooh, might not get paid. Got to get that paycheck. And then, you
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know, sometimes you'll do something, and it'd be like, in,
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somebody sees it and goes, Wait, why aren't you doing more of
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that? Like, I'd pay frequently, I'd pay more for that, like and,
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Jonny Edward: I mean, I think that that was sort of a telltale
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bit for me too, is I had clients who came to me because they
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liked the styling and just the exchange that I had and the
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energetics of it. And we'd get to the end of a session and I'd
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say, Hey, listen, we got what we sort of needed. Let's play, you
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know, and let's play with motion, let's play with this,
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let's play with that. And those were the images that resonated
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with a lot of my clients the most, where it wasn't
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technically proficient, but where there was a mood or a
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moment or an emotion or a story they were telling that was
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captured sort of the essence rather than the technical
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elements of it. I know it's an intangible thing to talk about,
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but it's it's important, and even for me, like two of my
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favorite photographers of all time are, you know, Paolo
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reversi and Sarah moon, and I'm using them specifically because
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both of their work, there is very little in what you would I
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mean, they're both technically brilliant photographers, but
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they don't abide by that. So it's light painting, and it's
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large format, and there's motion blur and ceremony, especially
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everything's these blurry, sort of drunken dreamscapes. And I
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look at their work and, I mean, I cry, I'll just sit there with
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it and sort of just fall into that work. And yet, I see work
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by people that's very technically proficient, and when
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it's so clinically sound, it I feel in that it almost loses
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some of the the emotion, and in some way. And obviously I'm
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biased saying that, but it's a curious thing for me
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, it's, it's, I don't know, I think that
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there's I in my own experience, both being someone who is very
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self conscious in front of the camera, and I seem to, I think
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it was just the waves we put out into the universe. I have a lot
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of clients who feel the same way, and I think they come to me
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because they know, or they get the sense that I'm going to let
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them, I'm going to make them feel comfortable. And it's
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something that I saw in an interview you had done where
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you're saying your superpower is, you know, creating, I'm
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gonna read, actually read. I wrote it down after creating an
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intangible space where people feel comfortable. And, you know,
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that is, like, that's one of my main goals. And when, whether
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it's portrait work or I'm doing a wedding or whatever I'm doing,
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you know, it's like, let's, you know, want you to feel relaxed
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so you can be yourself. And that's and that's a big part of
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it. And I think that, you know, like we, you know, allow that
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space, both creatively and for the our subjects, to feel okay
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like you feel like, for me to feel okay, expressing myself as
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an artist, but also for the people on the other side of the
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camera. And it was the, what's the quote? Two quotes I can
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think of. There's one, it's like Edward Steichen, or whatever.
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It's like, you know, a portrait is made, not made in the camera,
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but on either side of it. And the other one, I think I just
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posted to the nerdy photographer last week was, you don't shoot
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how it looks, shoot how it feels. Yeah, I can't remember
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who said that, but it was like the those things that you know,
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having that emotion and freedom to feel and do those things like
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and, yeah, and looking at your again, it's. Social media
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presence. One of the things that really sort of like heartened is
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like, watching your Instagram stories, and I follow a lot of
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photographers, and I think you're one of the few people I
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follow who posts a bunch of work by other people. Yeah. And it
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just like, is in for me, it's like, they're like, it's a like,
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reminds me I should be doing that, because I see a lot of
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work by people do it, and I try to do it as much as I can. I try
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to stay off social media, sometimes just for my own mental
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health. But like seeing it, it's like, they're all very inspiring
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pieces, and they're all like, immediately to me, I know you're
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posting it because you saw it, and you're like, damn, this is
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really fucking good. I feel,
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Jonny Edward: I feel compelled to share it. Meaning to me. And
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I think, you know, especially in the social media landscape, you
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know, there's a lot of photographers in parts of the
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world that generally aren't as well known for something like
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fashion photography Africa, comes to mind first and
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foremost. And I have friends and artists out there, so I see this
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work, and I, number one, I want to share it because it's
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important to me. But number two, I want to share it because I
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want other people, whether they're artists or art
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aficionados, to see this work as well, because it deserves to be
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seen. So, you know, I've had people write me and they're
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like, Wow. Sometimes I look at, you know, your stories, and it's
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kind of like an art curator is dealing with this. And I'm like,
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Well, I'm not as lofty as that, but yeah, I want to share this.
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I'm like, look at this piece of work. It is brilliant, like
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this. This should be seen by as many people as possible.
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Casey Fatchett: But isn't that what we're doing with our social
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media? Doing with our social media platform, especially in
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things like stories and stuff like that? We are curators.
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Yeah, we're taking some like, one of the options we have
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available to us is not just like, to, you know, stroke
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ourselves and be like, Hey, look at what I'm doing. Everybody,
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everybody, give me a high five. It's also to say, like, look at
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what this person is doing, and look at how like, like, this
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awesome stuff and like to amplify other people's voices
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where we even, you know, that was one of the things I think I
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dealt with as a person with a smaller following on social
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media. Because I don't, you know, I've never been one to
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just like, go after numbers, but I like, I think at times I felt
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like, you know, why bother? I don't have that many people
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following, but you know what? Who gives a shit? Yeah, the
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people who are following me. I One thing I will say is, like, I
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do have, you know, people who are very invested and interested
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in what I have to say. So, yeah, tell those people. Tell what?
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Tell one person.
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Jonny Edward: Well, I think even on that's a whole other topic
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too. But there's, there's such a strange psychological phenomenon
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with social media. And I remember when it, when I first
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started out getting into photography, I was so driven by
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metrics, it was like, I knew if a photo didn't perform XYZ in
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the first five minutes, it was going to be this versus that.
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And so there were a lot of times that I would take things down
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because I'm like, this isn't going to get to whatever that
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arbitrary number is. And obviously that fucked with me.
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But there were a couple of photographers at the time who
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know I'm great friends with, but I really idolized. And I
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remember posting something, and one of them was like, wow, this
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is really amazing work. It's so great to see your evolution. And
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it stopped me in my tracks, and I really started reframing how I
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was thinking about that, that, you know, quote, unquote
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engagement on social media, where I'm like, I want to get
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one comment from a person like that, instead of 10,000 comments
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from people who really don't have that same impact on me. And
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one of my friends told me forever going it's funny,
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because he's huge on social media, but he's like, Listen,
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before you start taking what people say seriously, for better
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or worse, realize that a lot of people who are commenting on
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your photos are taking a shit in the morning.
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Casey Fatchett: I think I probably know who that was, you
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know,
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Jonny Edward: but, you know. But for me, it was just so, so
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hilarious. And I'm like, Well, yeah, that's like, why is this
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dictating what I do? But at the same time, obviously social
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media is a drug, so even now, I still get that ink like I could
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love work, and I look at it, and suddenly I start going, the
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imposter syndrome creeps in, and I go, is this? Was I biased? And
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I just really like this? Is it really not have appeal? Does it
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really not have merit? Is it really not art? Is it this and
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that? And I have to stop myself, but as far as I've come, those
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talents are still so deeply rooted into my psyche. And I
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don't necessarily know that it's inseparable. I think it's just
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sort of comes with this, you know, minefield territory we're
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in?
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I think that there's just a an element
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of, like, you know, we like, especially over the pandemic,
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when there was less, like, seeing people in person, like,
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we just kind of got that, that dopamine addiction, yep, to
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interaction. And anybody who's like, saying, like, Hey, Oh, I
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like you seeing those like numbers, and you're like, oh,
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somebody validated me. I'm worthy. I'm worthy of being of
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doing the thing that I've been doing for however many years.
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And for me, it's like, this is like 22 years of doing this
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stuff, and it's just like, you know, like, again, my wife would
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say, like, you are good at this. You're very good at this. And
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like, Stop, like, you said, somebody's taking a shit in the
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morning and doesn't like my photo. Like, Big fucking deal.
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Like, and, yeah, whatever. And, but I have, I've also fallen in
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that hole where I'm just like, what's the exact time I can
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post? Yeah, to get the most likes and the most people who
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are gonna see this. And, you know, just like, let's break
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down the analytics. And then I'm just like, You know what? Who
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cares? Like, because I've also had stuff like, I don't know I'm
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on Tiktok, I don't know if you're on there. I mean, part of
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it is just, part of it is just the dopamine addiction. Like,
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like, I need 15 minutes, 15 minutes a day. I love cute dogs.
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But I also post stuff there, and it's really interesting to see
20:18
the difference between how things perform there versus on
20:22
Instagram, because, you know, have done like an AB comparison,
20:26
and it's the honesty, like, strangely, there it is, the
20:30
honesty of your presentation. And just being like, I had a
20:34
video that I did where I talked about this thing where I do
20:39
balance engagement rings and at weddings, I balance them on the
20:45
the shoes and other things like that, yeah. And at the end, I'm
20:51
just like, you know, it's me figuring out, like, you know, I
20:53
had been doing it for three years, and then I figured, like,
20:55
other people were doing, like, like using glue dots, yeah, or
20:59
line. And I'm just like, I didn't know that, like, because
21:03
I didn't and but it got so much of a reaction from people other
21:09
than anything else I had done. Like, it was, like, it's got,
21:11
like, I don't know, for me, it's like, over a quarter of a
21:14
million views, like, 1000s of likes and comments, and it was
21:18
all these people like, like, wow, that's like, you're being
21:20
vulnerable. You're like, letting yourself be who you are, and
21:24
like people just like, connecting on that level. And
21:27
like, I was just like, wow. And like, looking around and seeing,
21:29
what does better there of like, surprisingly, is all the stuff
21:31
that's just very honest and very much like, I like when I'm
21:35
talking about my as opposed to just, like, posting a picture,
21:38
yeah, and saying, like, Hey, I took this picture. But like,
21:43
going into a story, telling a story about how I created this
21:47
and what I was thinking and what was happening, and those are the
21:50
things that people really connect with. And for me, like
21:52
that is like, I don't know. I love telling stories. And you
21:57
know, if, in some way, like one of the the better experiences
22:05
I've had on that platform has been other photographers going I
22:11
would love to hear more about this than just somebody telling
22:13
me camera settings, yeah, and that's been the message I've
22:17
been trying to get out to people for a very long time, like,
22:21
like, for example, looking at your work. I don't want to know
22:24
what your settings were, but it's just like, like, having
22:27
this conversation and just hearing from you, like, what it
22:29
is that it like, inspires you, yeah? As opposed to, like, I see
22:34
these stupid ass reels all the time of people, like, here's my
22:37
settings while I'm hanging out the back of a car trying to
22:41
photograph something, and it's just like, yeah, no.
22:44
Jonny Edward: Well, I mean, I have to be honest too, on that
22:46
front, like it's, there's some artists, and some of some of
22:48
these are friends, and I've talked shit to them directly.
22:50
Obviously, I won't name names, but it's like, when, when the
22:53
whole process becomes, when the recordings off, we can talk,
22:56
yeah, yeah, when the whole process becomes content, when
23:00
it's all about deconstructing, when it's like, I see them, and
23:04
they're great photographers, but they're not even interacting
23:06
with their subject, because they're like, looking at the
23:08
camera here and looking at the camera there, and then here's
23:10
the settings, and then here's the lights, and then promo for
23:12
this company and that company. And I'm like, it just it
23:15
cheapens it, and I see the image, and because I saw that
23:18
before, the image, now my mind's in a place where I can't
23:20
appreciate that image for what it was, because you just tried
23:23
to force a bunch of stuff down my throat. You tried to sell me
23:25
a bunch of things. And now you're not an artist, you're a
23:28
salesperson, and I can't look at something a salesperson puts in
23:31
my hands the same way an artist does. And so there's just this
23:33
weird shift in my mindset. I mean, I'm just, I think I'm
23:36
like, 120 in my soul anyway, so I'm like, good old days, but
23:41
it's, I just, I'm like, that's cool. Do that, but, but don't
23:43
let that be the only thing that you do. Take some time away from
23:46
that shit and just create for yourself. Create away from
23:50
cameras, create away from the audience, right? Create for you,
23:54
Casey Fatchett: for you. There's, and that's, there's a
23:56
whole like, I don't know. I have friends who come to my house
24:00
who, like, know me as a photographer or whatever, like,
24:02
I've done, I did their headshots for work, I photographed their
24:05
wedding, whatever. And they'll come to my house and, like, see
24:08
something hanging on the wall. I'm like, oh, did you do that?
24:11
And I'm like, yeah. Like, I've never seen that before. I'm
24:14
like, Yeah, because I didn't take it for you. I took it for
24:18
me, exactly for me. And, yeah, I think that you know, no, no, you
24:24
know, not bad mouthing sponsors. Sponsors are always nice to
24:28
have. Oh no, absolutely, but yeah, like, they think there's,
24:31
there's an element of that. And, like, I don't know, maybe I'm
24:34
because I'm 122 but it's the like, watching that and going,
24:38
like, come on. Like, yeah. Like, in I had this conversation last
24:44
week with a friend of mine where we were talking about, like, so
24:47
many people who are starting out in photography, and I think in
24:50
other ways, this probably translates to other creative
24:53
endeavors. People are looking for the gear, the thing, yeah.
24:57
How do I like? They're looking for the quick fix. How do I do
24:59
the thing? What. What gear did you use to shoot that? What were
25:02
your settings? You know, what pencil did you use to draw that
25:05
piece of artwork? You know, like, blah, blah, blah, blah,
25:07
blah. And I have always said, like, you know, Don't get
25:13
obsessed with what the gear is, yeah. Think about what you're
25:17
trying to create. Yeah. Think about the thing that you're
25:20
trying to create, and what piece of gear lends itself to creating
25:25
that thing like
25:28
Jonny Edward: and there's tiers of ease, I think too. You know,
25:31
you get someone who's a very talented artist who has vision
25:34
and ingenuity, you can hand them damn near anything, and they're
25:36
going to make something spectacular out of it. So I feel
25:39
very, very, very much the same as you regarding gear. I mean,
25:42
the gear that I have now, I love it because it makes my life
25:44
easier. Is it essential for me to do what I do? Absolutely not.
25:48
Does it mean that I can focus more on the person and worry
25:50
less about things like auto focus? Yeah, it does. It's not
25:53
essential. It's, it's it's a nicety. But I could, I could do
25:57
it with anything. It's like I shoot with this Sony A 7r four,
25:59
and obviously the auto focus on that camera is just maddening. I
26:02
shot Pentax before that. Digital Pentax throws people for a loop,
26:05
but I started shooting film with Pentax. Great cameras, but
26:08
they're autofocus, still Pentax. I love you, but it's like from,
26:11
from the Paleo. The play is like, I don't know, some sort of
26:15
dinosaur esque era. So when I first got the Sony, Sony sent it
26:19
to me to try and I was on the streets of New York, and I'm
26:21
shooting straight. I'm walking by people with the lens wide
26:24
open and just catching things and everything's tack sharp. And
26:27
honestly, I had sort of a crisis of conscious, because I'm like,
26:31
is this, Am I cheating? Yeah, is this okay? Like, I'm not
26:34
struggling for this. I'm not missing eight out of 10 shots.
26:37
If someone's moving, like, Is this okay? And I settled into
26:40
it. But yeah, that whole idea of, oh, girl, like, what presets
26:43
do you use? What's this? What's the luck that you use for this?
26:46
And it's like, I give you all of these things. You're not going
26:49
to create what I just created, right? Number one, because
26:51
you're not me, and so we're going to have different voices.
26:53
But number two, you just don't have the experience in the skill
26:56
and talent gain through that experience to do this
26:59
effectively, well. And it's
27:00
Casey Fatchett: also that sort of thing, like, where you people
27:01
just throw out these random things, and I'm like, random
27:03
things. And I'm like, that, you the situation, the you know,
27:06
like, there's all sorts of things, and then, like, you're
27:08
not just gonna be able to pick it up and place it onto another
27:12
like, you need to know, you need to have, like, the essentials of
27:18
the craft, and continue to obviously grow and continue to
27:23
learn things and understand things. But I remember, like I'm
27:28
I took two photography classes in college, and that's it, and
27:33
then the rest was just all self taught, and those were pretty
27:37
basic, 35 millimeter film classes. And there were things
27:44
that I did had no idea, like, how to fold a reflector. Like,
27:47
and I'm not talking about the obvious ones, the circle or the
27:50
triangle, which are very obvious. You just grab the
27:52
opposite sides and twist and it goes right in.
27:54
Jonny Edward: I'm talking about the oval. Yeah, I know exactly.
27:58
Casey Fatchett: And motherfucker, like, the first
27:59
time I tried to fold one of those things. And I'm looking it
28:01
up on YouTube, and the guy goes, fold it like a taco. And I'm
28:05
like, Okay, so I'm grabbing the two long ends and I'm trying to
28:08
fold it in like a taco. They're like, it's not fucking working.
28:11
And then I'm like, and then I see him doing it. I'm like,
28:12
That's not that's a burrito that's rolling a burrito that is
28:15
not folding a taco. But, yeah, like, and I think that there's
28:21
those sort of like essential things. I mean that I think that
28:24
when it comes to your gear and how you use your gear, and then
28:28
you start to play with it and learn and and then you might
28:32
find a way of doing things, like I said, with the balancing
28:36
engagement ring. Says, now my metaphor for a lot of different
28:39
things, you may find a way that works for you, yep, that doesn't
28:43
work for somebody else. Oh, absolutely. And just like in you
28:48
create something that is uniquely yours, yeah. And I
28:53
think that that journey is also something that is very
28:58
rewarding.
28:59
Jonny Edward: I agree, and I, you know, even from an
29:01
educational perspective, like I probably have every tutorial
29:04
that's ever made, and I've watched 1% of them, you know,
29:07
and paid attention 1% of that time. But it's like that
29:10
aggregating of knowledge. But take something like retouching,
29:12
for instance, and I have people contact me all the time. How do
29:14
you edit? How do you edit? I'm like, I'll show you. I hack my
29:17
way through it. Like I know what I'm doing in Photoshop a lot,
29:21
someone's gonna write me after I say this in this podcast. But
29:23
like, I had it destructively, unless I'm working with
29:26
commercial clients, like, I don't maintain things. I just
29:29
get rid of them for storage space purposes. And it's like,
29:31
people go, Well, I was watching Seth McCullough on pro edu You,
29:34
and he said that you have to have 27 layer stacks. I'm like,
29:37
if you're working with Nike, you do? Yeah, absolutely. I'm like,
29:39
you're not working with Nike. Do you need that? Not necessarily.
29:42
Does he need that? Yes. So it's this, what are you learning? And
29:45
does what you're learning apply to either what it is you're
29:48
doing or what it is you want to do. And if not, then you
29:51
probably shouldn't be hyper focused on that or give it space
29:54
in your brain, because there is a finite amount of space between
29:57
our two ears, and if you hold on to shit, you don't need. It
30:00
means that stuff you do need doesn't have space to kind of
30:03
Occupy there.
30:04
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, yeah. You lose, like, you know, you lose
30:09
bandwidth. Like, that's become my like, go to term now is
30:13
bandwidth for what you can do and what you can handle and what
30:17
what all is, what all works in your brain. Because, again, and
30:24
as somebody who is, who hyper fixates, who was a former, like,
30:32
high performing, like, as a child, oh, you're, you know,
30:37
doing really well, and you're in the advanced class of whatever,
30:40
and like, but then it's like, you have to consistently keep
30:44
doing, performing at that level and like, one of the best pieces
30:48
of advice I ever got was you can't always put in 110% like it
30:55
just like, you just wear out and like, it has to do with your
30:57
workflow. It has to do with everything. And you need to,
31:01
like, find those things that a work for you. And like, hacking
31:05
your way through Photoshop. I've been using Photoshop since it
31:08
was black and white, like I was a kid, but my brother worked in
31:11
a computer lab, and they had it. I think it was like original OG
31:17
Photoshop. You can even barely use photos in it. And so I,
31:21
again, never took a class, but like, I can get my way through
31:26
there. And I know, I know my ways of getting around
31:29
Photoshop, which they always change the fucking buttons, and
31:32
where things every time there's a new iteration of Photoshop,
31:35
I'm like, Where the hell do they hide that?
31:37
Jonny Edward: And then half features are broke to Adobe. I
31:40
get your, get your act together, on your release, like it's, it's
31:43
rough. I know that we could, we could scream that from the
31:46
rooftops, but damn
31:47
Casey Fatchett: it, there's some buggy things going on. Yeah. I
31:51
mean, I think that I get the sense that we are on a similar
31:59
page, as far as, like, you know, like, helping people do better
32:06
for themselves. Yeah, absolutely, as artists,
32:09
hopefully as people. But like, think that that's that. And I
32:13
found this interesting. And again, it was in the same video
32:16
that I watched the, I think it's your pro edu bio video where you
32:20
had talked about, I think this is a again for people. I think
32:25
we have similarities and how we do things, like, where you said,
32:29
my own biggest pillar is me. Yeah, I depend on myself the
32:35
most. And like, again, like that. Hit me like that. Like,
32:40
really hit me in the gut in a lot of ways, because I was like,
32:43
I hate to delegate anything. I don't want to put it on anybody
32:46
else. I don't want to bother anyone. I don't want to like,
32:49
yeah, it's like, only I can understand it the way that I
32:54
want it done. And I think that's a dangerous it's a dangerous
32:59
world live in. In some ways,
33:02
Jonny Edward: it's very it's very isolating. It's very
33:05
lonely, you know. And it's, there's, there's just a lot
33:08
going on. I actually just saw speaking of ridiculous stuff,
33:11
you know, it's like you're scrolling through reels or
33:12
whatever. And there's memes, memes, memes, and then there's
33:14
something serious that hits you. And it was just, you know, out
33:17
of this view in Manhattan, and there's rain falling, and it's,
33:20
you know, people who tend to isolate during periods of
33:22
struggle or who won't ask for help, generally, had XYZ trauma.
33:26
And it was just something very basic, you know, it's like, you
33:28
know, pop psychology type of thing. But I just sat with that
33:30
for a second and I'm like, Yeah, wow. Like we did so ego driven,
33:34
and it's so fear driven. And, you know, it's there. There is
33:37
that aspect where I'm like, Why do I do this? And of course,
33:39
that's something else entirely, but habitual patterns and and
33:43
that type of thing. But yeah, it's um, it's something I've
33:45
tried to check over the course of time. And now I just,
33:47
whenever I can ask for help, and I'm in a decent headspace, I
33:49
just do it. And generally speaking, if you ask for help,
33:53
people are happy to help you because it helps them, and they
33:55
feel good about it, too.
33:56
Casey Fatchett: So I think that for me, I don't know about you,
34:01
for me, I have anxiety, like, I have, like, some social anxiety,
34:08
like asking you to do this. I know we've been talking about
34:10
doing this for a while, and like, going back and forth, but
34:12
like, even just at getting up the internal fortitude to send
34:19
you a message say, like, hey, what do you want to do? This
34:21
took a lot, and I will admit it like it took a lot of energy on
34:25
my part to reach out to someone I didn't know and say, Hey,
34:30
would you like to be a part of this? And I think that there's a
34:34
lot of people who have that problem. There's some people who
34:36
definitely don't have that problem, and will ask anybody
34:39
for like, it's coming from that perspective where you just, like
34:47
you sort of rely on yourself. And I think that there are a lot
34:49
of photographers and artists I try to be more inclusive in my
34:54
word choice, a lot of artists out there who are live very
34:57
isolated lives and only depend upon themselves. And don't think
35:01
to lean on other people when they might need to. And I think
35:07
that that's a definitely, you know,
35:11
Jonny Edward: I have gotten better about it. Not still not
35:14
good. I'm still probably failing at it, but, I mean, I think I've
35:18
gotten better over the years, failing forward, right? That's,
35:21
that's the whole goal with all of this. I think it's a big part
35:23
of it. It's, yeah, it's true. And I think, you know, the other
35:26
thing is that the artistic world, the art world, the
35:28
photographic world, can also be pretty dysfunctional in terms
35:30
of, you know, big egos and things. So I think there are
35:32
some people too, who initially may have reached out for help.
35:35
You know, it's, oh, I wanted to know what the lighting setup
35:37
was, so I reached out to XYZ and asked, and they either ignored
35:40
me or told me to fuck off, or, you know, said to figure it out
35:43
on your own. And there's a lot of that. There's a lot of people
35:45
who are very guarded. There's a lot of shitty people, you know,
35:48
and things. So I think that there's, there's for some folks,
35:51
they had that drive, I guess, and then that drive sort of got
35:55
squashed, and they don't want to be squashed again, and so they
35:58
avoid it. And obviously there's life lessons in that too,
36:01
Casey Fatchett: or got commercialized? Yeah, yeah. I
36:03
think there's, there's an element of that gatekeeping,
36:06
yep, that, you know, I have very good friends who are not like
36:11
that, who like who make big animals like, throw me jobs, you
36:16
know, whenever they don't have something. But then there's this
36:19
sort of opposite thing, where I see people who like do will
36:23
never do that, will absolutely never recommend someone else or
36:28
refer another person, or, you know, do anything that, like I'm
36:31
not the right person for every client. Exactly. I know that and
36:35
like that was a big as a people pleaser type of person. That was
36:40
a big lesson for me to learn, was that, you know what, I'm not
36:43
right for everyone, yeah, and not everyone's right for me,
36:47
like and I learned in doing meetings, and this is a whole
36:51
other element of the pandemic that changed how I do things
36:57
while I am nervous about reaching out to someone
37:00
initially, once I get somebody in person, I, as you can tell,
37:04
I'm very chatty and but my closing rate for meetings when I
37:11
would have an in person meeting with a client, was 85% Yeah. And
37:16
now, people don't want to come in for meetings. They want to do
37:19
everything over zoom and Zoom, zoom helps, but, I mean, like,
37:22
but, but that was just my way of connecting with people. And I
37:25
think that, like, there's a lot of, you know, missed connections
37:30
anymore, like, you know that, yeah, I think I kind of lost my
37:34
train of thought.
37:36
Jonny Edward: But, yeah, yeah,
37:39
Casey Fatchett: the the the people who don't want to help
37:44
others are sort of like trying to, like, corral everyone into,
37:49
like, their camp and be like, I need to hold on to this so
37:53
desperately.
37:55
Jonny Edward: Well, you know, I think for me too, especially on
37:58
a technical side of things, I had a really kind of shitty
38:01
experience when I was first getting into Okay, so let's,
38:03
let's rewind. Let's be six and a half years ago. I got invited to
38:07
do some photography backstage for a friend at a fashion show.
38:10
I mean, it's, if you could call it a fashion show, it's just it
38:12
was a thing. It was a place where people gathered together.
38:15
That's beside the point. I'm being elitist here, but I had no
38:19
idea what I was doing. I mean, you know, this was at a point
38:21
where I had off camera flash, and I didn't understand why I
38:23
was getting black bars in the camera because of sync speed,
38:25
like very rudimentary knowledge. And so I had a ring light. I use
38:29
this ring light to great effect the photos. I'm still to this
38:31
day. I look at them, I'm like, Oh, they're technically sound
38:32
photos. But there's someone else in the community here who was
38:36
using a ring light extensively at that point in time, and they
38:39
saw my photos, and they went on this very passive, aggressive
38:42
social media rant about how people copy them and take
38:46
everything that they've worked for and this whole thing. And I
38:49
remember it, I'm like, it's, it's a piece of gear, like,
38:52
it's, I'm like, well, technically, ring lights were
38:54
made for the, you know, dental profession, so you're a fucking
38:56
photographer, you should be using it anyway. But it was
38:59
just, it was so jarring to me. And of course, like, I'm good at
39:03
speaking, I'm much better at writing, and so I'll sit back
39:05
with a candle lit and a quill and just go, I'm going to fuck
39:09
you up in a way that that sounds very intelligent, but it's
39:12
really just very crass. So I went on this, this kind of
39:14
attack, but ever since then, that stuck with me. So now, when
39:16
someone reaches out to me and they're like, Hey, how do you
39:18
like that? I'm like, just like this. Like, I don't want to be
39:21
guarded. I'm not I want to give this stuff away. I want to
39:23
empower other people. And I love when someone goes, Hey, what do
39:26
you think? Like, how did the light look? I'm like, is this
39:28
what you wanted? That's great. So it's just those experiences,
39:30
I think, stick with you. And whenever someone reaches out to
39:33
me, and it's reasonable, I always want to try and support
39:36
them, and I feel good. You know, it's not even just altruistic.
39:39
Because they go, Oh, thank you. And they show me something. It's
39:42
like, it's not just helping another person. I'm helping
39:43
myself, like I get the dopamine right, and the positivity and
39:47
the validation from helping another person. So even if I'm
39:49
being selfish, I'm still going to help because it makes me feel
39:53
good, right?
39:54
Casey Fatchett: And I think that there's, there's that whole
39:55
like, yeah, we're using a ring light like, a like. Like, okay,
40:00
I'm curious, because you were saying you're behind scenes in,
40:04
like, like Alien bees or something like that, like, or
40:08
are you talking about, like, the Orbis ring light flash that was,
40:12
like, had a, like, a speed light attached to it, that one. Yes, I
40:17
still, I found mine in my basement the other day. I was
40:19
just like, oh, man, I remember this, the Z flash, which just
40:25
attached to the top, yeah, of the speed light, the speed light
40:29
on camera, and then just like, hung down around there. Yeah,
40:32
that was a that was a real phase that we went and
40:36
Jonny Edward: I think it's just so weird, too, for me, it goes
40:37
back to that idea of ego, like no one owns technique. We're all
40:41
borrowing, we're all aggregating, we're all bringing
40:43
it together. And that's the beauty of this. Like we get
40:45
inspired by one another, and we can pick and choose and take and
40:48
then we make it our own, hopefully at some point in time.
40:51
But that's if I have one pet peeve in this industry and in
40:54
life in general, it's that sort of self absorbed, egoic mindset
40:59
where this is mine, and it's like, I don't know if life just
41:01
hasn't kicked you in the teeth enough times, but it's not
41:04
yours.
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Casey Fatchett: It's just, it's not, it's everybody's. And there
41:08
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or business that you've ever received,
42:00
Jonny Edward: it's gonna be. It's so cliche and it's so low
42:04
level, but I can't even recall the exact specifics of it, but
42:06
someone just told me, they're like, Hey, listen, you'll get to
42:09
where you want to be if you just keep going. You know, it's that
42:11
one foot in front of the other, that it's not a sprint, it's an
42:14
endurance race. And the reality is, especially in something like
42:16
this, in a highly competitive marketplace, and something that
42:19
has such an easy point of entry. I mean, anyone can pick up a
42:22
camera and go on a photographer. So you know, it's it's so easy
42:25
to get into it, but if you keep going and you don't stop, you'll
42:28
get to where you want to be. And if nothing else, it's just a
42:31
race of attrition. Most people just don't have the desire or
42:34
the wherewithal or the gumption to walk through the fucking mud
42:38
and to pick themselves up for the 1,000th time. So if you do
42:41
that, you'll get there, but you just have to keep going.
42:45
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, and like that, like I said, I've been
42:47
doing this for 22 years, and I think that I have watched like,
42:51
the five year turnaround, you know, like four times now, of
42:56
like, watching people who get on, get into the business, do it
42:59
for five years, and they're like, yep, don't want to do this
43:01
anymore. And you're like, sees like, people who are very
43:03
talented, and they're just like, Yeah, I just don't want to I
43:06
can't do it anymore. It's weird for me. Is becoming going from
43:09
acting, before I was a photographer, I was doing
43:13
headshots. When I was like, moved to New York City to be an
43:16
actor, and I was like, my professional photography career
43:19
started from doing headshots, like, dealing with rejection was
43:22
the reason I got out of acting, yeah, and then so I moved into
43:27
another completely subjective, you know, art form and
43:33
photography where, like, people were like, Yeah, I don't want to
43:35
hire, like, but for some reason, I felt like, you know, no,
43:37
they're hiring. They're they don't want to hire me for this
43:40
reason that you know they don't, they don't connect with my work,
43:43
yeah, as opposed to, we're not even going to let you work
43:46
because we don't connect with you. I think that was the main
43:48
difference there. Yeah, that is a that determination, I think,
43:56
is like that you're determined that you're going to give it a
43:59
valid shot, yeah, and not just gonna.
44:04
Jonny Edward: And the people who quit, I think the hard thing is
44:06
going back to that five year bit for a moment, a lot of those
44:08
people are right on the cusp. You know, when you get that much
44:11
pushback, it's like they're right on the cusp of, kind of
44:14
reaching that that peak, or that tipping point, and they don't
44:16
push through. And when I'm really honest, and people go
44:18
like, Well, how do you feel about photography now I'm like,
44:21
well, at least once a week I'm laying at night, having an
44:23
excess set, laying up at night, having an existential crisis,
44:25
going, fuck photography, fuck art. I'm gonna sell this all.
44:28
I'm gonna become an account or a basket. We've heard this is
44:30
awful. I'm shit at it. I hate this. And, you know what? I
44:33
breathe, I let that pass, and I get back to work. So it's, it's,
44:37
you know, there's, I think there's this, at least for the
44:39
longest time, in my mind, this idea of, if I'm at this level,
44:41
I'm gonna feel great about my work, and if I'm at this level,
44:44
I'm not gonna struggle. And if I'm at this level, this and it's
44:47
the people at the very top, when I started having conversations
44:50
with them, people whose work I loved, like, deified, and
44:52
they're like, Oh yeah, that was horrible. I still hate it. I
44:55
hate the fact that I released that. I hate that I shared that
44:57
as the editorial for this publication. And I was like,
44:59
what? We have that epiphany moment where the skull is stuck
45:02
to the ceiling, top of my skull, and that's that's something that
45:06
doesn't get talked about enough either, is that not only do you
45:09
struggle to get to where you want to be, but when you get
45:12
there, there's still going to be struggle. You're still going to
45:14
be tested. There's still going to be challenges.
45:17
Casey Fatchett: The journey is never over. It's so true is
45:20
never over. I think that was, like, there was a thing that I
45:24
commonly fell victim to, was the magic bullet thinking there was
45:27
going to be like, you like you said, I'm going to reach this
45:30
level, and it's going to be easy, it's going to be like, I'm
45:32
going to get this gig, and that means that I'm going to get all
45:35
these other gigs, just because, like, I got that gig, but that's
45:38
somehow going to solve a problem, or, like, thinking
45:40
that, you know and learned early on, gear does not solve any
45:44
problems in regards to your business. But yeah, like that,
45:49
the journey is never really over. And I've talked to a lot
45:51
of very successful photographers who's like, yeah, there's still
45:54
a grind, man, there's still a grind. It's still like, getting
45:58
the eye and you are not alone. I like, at least once a week have
46:01
that, like, yeah, you know what I could be. I could I could be a
46:06
dental floss tycoon in Montana. I could do, I could manage that
46:12
instead of having to worry about this stuff. Yeah, that's when
46:16
it's,
46:16
Jonny Edward: you know, and obviously, we could run on with
46:18
this. And I know we're sort of running out of time here, and I
46:20
won't go too far, but I think it comes with a new with a new set
46:23
of challenges. You know, just let's take a hypothetical
46:25
photographer, and their whole aspiration is to be published in
46:29
vogue, and they work for it, and finally they get there and they
46:31
work with an editorial team, and they get published in vogue, and
46:34
it's this huge thing, and then they move on to the next thing.
46:37
Now, also, there's a precedent set, like, where do you go from
46:39
there? And now everything that's not Vogue is less than Vogue,
46:43
right? And that becomes a challenge. Like now, how do I
46:46
navigate having reached this peak when I'm not standing on
46:49
that peak, at least not how I view it? And so in some ways it
46:54
becomes easier, and then in some ways it becomes harder. In more
46:56
complex ways, in that the further along we go, the deeper
46:59
into ourselves we have to go to keep moving, and that's surreal.
47:05
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, it's, it's, it is. It's a, you know,
47:08
you're opening up new doorways and new paths, and there's new,
47:13
brave, new worlds to explore. Better for worse.
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48:02
Hey. Now for my favorite part of the show, what's that? Say,
48:08
useless information.
48:11
Casey Fatchett: Oh, I like to finish off with a little thing I
48:14
like to call useless information. I'm a I have a you
48:18
talk about bandwidth. In my mind, there is so much trivia.
48:22
My wife always says, like, if you only used a quarter of that
48:26
space for good. So I always like to finish up with a little bit
48:31
of useless information. Jonny, did you know that the children
48:35
of identical twins are considered genetically half
48:39
siblings, as opposed to cousins, because they share 25% of the
48:43
same DNA. Curious, yeah. So instead of being considered
48:47
cousins genetically, they're considered half siblings. It's a
48:51
little weird, just a little weird bit of trivia. Thank you
48:56
for coming on the show. Oh, it's been a pleasure, seriously, and
49:00
if there's anything new, is, where can people find you?
49:05
Jonny Edward: I mean, you could find me on the gram slide into
49:09
the DMS. It's Johnny creative. There's no h, j, o, n, n, y,
49:12
creative. You go to my website. That's Johnny Edward. My legal
49:16
name, I'm on Twitter and a few other things. But yeah, those
49:19
are generally a couple of the best places. Maybe you'll see me
49:21
walking around town, depending on where you live.
49:24
Casey Fatchett: Well, you know, I can say is, you know, I looked
49:26
at, looking at your website, and looking at the studio and
49:29
looking at the prices for rental like, as compared to New York,
49:32
and I hate you, it's just like, Oh man, I wish. I wish, yeah,
49:41
space. I mean, you've been out here. It's, oh, it's,
49:44
Jonny Edward: yeah, it's, I know, even, even here. I mean, I
49:46
actually lucked into a pretty good deal. It was very
49:49
fortuitous for the studio that I'm in. So I'm grateful and
49:51
very, very aware of what different markets look like in
49:55
terms of plausibility.
49:57
Casey Fatchett: I loved having you on the show anytime. You
50:00
want to come back, anytime you want to come
50:02
Jonny Edward: We'll do a we'll do iteration 2.0 sooner than
50:06
later. Follow up. Yeah, absolutely.
50:13
Casey Fatchett: Welcome back, everybody. I would really like
50:15
to thank Johnny Edward for coming on the show. Our
50:17
conversation was inspiring to me, and I hope that they will
50:21
return in the future for another episode, and I also hope that
50:23
our discussion was inspiring to you and informative. You can
50:27
find Johnny on the interwebs, at Johnny creative on Instagram,
50:31
or@johnnyeddward.com that's Johnny J O N N Y, no h, just J O
50:36
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