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Joe Rogan Experience _2544 - Chris Williamson(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.
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  Speaker 2: We're up. What's up, Christopher?
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you. Thank you very much for the book.
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  Speaker 2: This is very cool of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris
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  Speaker 2: just gifted me Ladies and Gentlemen, Lenny Bruce, which is
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  Speaker 2: a fucking amazing book. And it's inscripted, there's an inscription inside,
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  Speaker 2: to Yoko Ono, who knows well what the jazz life entails.
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  Speaker 2: And it's Albert Goldman. And you were just telling me
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  Speaker 2: that Albert Goldman, this was his way of weaving into
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  Speaker 2: the Yoko Ono, John Lennon camp. Exactly, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then he goes and writes a book that blows
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  Speaker 4: him up. I've just exploded a can of Nutanix all
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  Speaker 4: over my crotch as well. Jamie, have you got a napkin?
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  Speaker 3: Apologies.
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  Speaker 2: We don't?
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  Speaker 4: That's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Premature. We have tissues.
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: He says no.
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  Speaker 4: Jamie says no. Yeah, so he writes that book and
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  Speaker 4: then gifts it to Yoko Ono. And by giving it
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  Speaker 4: to her, I think, is the beginning of him working
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  Speaker 4: his way into that camp. And then he goes on
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  Speaker 4: to write the book, The Lives of John Lennon, which,
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  Speaker 4: after he's dead, kind of explodes a lot of what
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  Speaker 4: was going on personally, whether it was true or not.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of drama and furor around it. But
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  Speaker 4: I knew that it was your favorite book, and we
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  Speaker 4: were supposed to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. That's very cool of you. I did
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  Speaker 2: not know about that. The... that he wrote the John
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  Speaker 2: Lennon book as well. It's really interesting because the John
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  Speaker 2: Lennon book, it's God, it's so weird to write a
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  Speaker 2: book like that after a guy's dead and he can't
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  Speaker 2: respond to it. Yeah. Where you're accusing it. What was it?
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  Speaker 2: Ex-wives that accused him of domestic violence. Who accused him?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that, that whole furor was a,
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  Speaker 4: was just a mess. And obviously when someone's dead, what
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  Speaker 4: are they going to do? How are they going to be,
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  Speaker 4: how are they going to be able to come back
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  Speaker 4: from that?
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  Speaker 2: They can't. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, it's kind of, it's
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  Speaker 2: just weird that you're allowed to do that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that you're allowed to say this happened, that happened. The
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  Speaker 2: guy can't say no, no. And I can prove it.
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  Speaker 2: Like he can't say anything. Yeah. And it's also like
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  Speaker 2: the give peace a chance guy. Like the give peace
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  Speaker 2: a chance guy has beaten his wife. Boy, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not that surprising giving like human contradiction. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like male feminists that turn out to be sexual predators.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, right? There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that weird stuff going on where people pretend to be
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  Speaker 2: one thing and they're actually another thing.
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  Speaker 4: Sneaky fuckers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sneaky fuckers. The give peace a chance guy beating
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  Speaker 2: his wife, though. It's like, I can't believe that. I
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  Speaker 2: have a really hard time believing that. But I've been
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  Speaker 2: fooled before, right? Like, he seems like the most peaceful,
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  Speaker 2: nonviolent guy of all time. If that guy's... But I'd
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  Speaker 2: read a bunch of stuff about him being a cunt.
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  Speaker 2: Goldman portrayed Lennon as having numerous sexual relationships outside his marriages.
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  Speaker 2: His accounts include Well-known relationship with May Pang. You like
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  Speaker 2: the Asians, huh? JL.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Additional affairs with women framed as habitual cheating. Claims of
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  Speaker 2: sexual encounters with men, including an alleged relationship with Beatles
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  Speaker 2: manager Brian Epstein. Hey. For more serious allegations, including claims
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  Speaker 2: involving male prostitutes in Thailand and other conduct that Goldman
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  Speaker 2: characterized as sexual predation. The thing is, like, how is
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  Speaker 2: he getting all this information about, like, male prostitutes in Thailand? And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, how do you know? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, did someone tell you? Original research. Did
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  Speaker 2: you go there? Like, did you go there and talk
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  Speaker 2: to the prostitute?
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  Speaker 4: I surveyed the prostitutes.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, it's cock. Why the book is disputed.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is the reliability of Goldman's specific accusations. At publication,
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  Speaker 2: Yoko Ono and Paul McCartney publicly condemned the book. Contemporary
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  Speaker 2: reporting noted claims of factual errors, contradictions, unattributed assertions, and
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  Speaker 2: material allegedly based on dubious sources or quotations used out
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  Speaker 2: of context. Look, that is not uncommon. Did I ever
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  Speaker 2: tell you what Bill Murray said on the podcast? So
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  Speaker 2: Bill Murray was reading Bob Woodward's book, Wired. And he
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  Speaker 2: said he got through, like, five pages. He said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God, they framed Nixon. Because Bob Woodward was the
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  Speaker 2: guy who did Watergate. And he said this book was
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  Speaker 2: so full of shit. It was so fake. Like, he
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  Speaker 2: portrayed the whole scene of, like, what he was up
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  Speaker 2: to as being, like, hardcore drugs constantly all the time. Just...
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  Speaker 2: Fucking losing his mind. And he's like, no, dude, he
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  Speaker 2: was a lightweight. He wasn't like that at all.
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  Speaker 4: So you knew he was totally fabricated?
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  Speaker 2: He said, this is not my friend. Like, I knew him.
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  Speaker 2: He was my best friend. He's like, this is not him.
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  Speaker 2: And then I told him the story of how Bob
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  Speaker 2: Woodward was an intelligence agent. And that was his first
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  Speaker 2: assignment ever. Tucker told me this story on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That Bob Woodward and the other guy. What's the other
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  Speaker 2: guy's name? Bernstein.
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  Speaker 3: Bernstein.
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  Speaker 2: That Bob Woodward, this was a rookie assignment. A rookie
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  Speaker 2: assignment is going to take down the fucking president of
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  Speaker 2: the United States. And his first job outside of being
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  Speaker 2: a fucking intelligence agent is to work for the Washington
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  Speaker 2: Post on his first story, which is going to take
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  Speaker 2: down the most popular president in the history of the
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  Speaker 2: United States. Won by the largest margin ever. And this
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  Speaker 2: is the guy that said he knew who killed Jack Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently that's why they got rid of Nixon. Tucker
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  Speaker 2: told me the whole story of the podcast. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit. This is fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 4: You're connecting the dots.
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  Speaker 2: It's a crazy fucking story.
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  Speaker 4: Have you been following this Lindsay Clancy case?
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  Speaker 1: Who's that?
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  Speaker 4: This lady who killed three.
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  Speaker 1: Of her kids.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no. I've tried not to. That's a bummer.
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  Speaker 4: It's basically 2026's OJ Simpson.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into that, I'd love to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: This Belushi thing is important because, like, his friend is
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  Speaker 2: telling you that he was not like that. Woodward makes
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  Speaker 2: him out to be this maniacal, cocaine-addled, heroin-fueled guy. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: he was a lightweight. He said he would get drunk
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  Speaker 2: off a couple drinks. So our whole narrative of who
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  Speaker 2: John Belushi is is by the same guy who framed Nixon.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 2: But once someone's dead, you can say whatever the fuck
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  Speaker 2: you want. You can say whatever you want.
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  Speaker 4: And who's going to defend this person with the same
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  Speaker 4: level of vitriol or vehementness that someone who's still alive
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  Speaker 4: is going to?
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  Speaker 2: No one. No one. And there's nothing you can do.
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  Speaker 2: He's gone. Everyone's mourning. Everyone's sad. And then someone writes
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  Speaker 2: some book. Oh, he used to fuck kids. You're like, what? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you could just write whatever you want. And then maybe
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  Speaker 2: they could sue you. But boy, you're going to make
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  Speaker 2: an extraordinary amount of money off of that book. Like,
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  Speaker 2: people are going to be hyped up for that book.
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  Speaker 2: You have a book about John Lennon was, like, into meditation.
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  Speaker 2: He liked to do LSD. No one's buying that shit.
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  Speaker 2: John Lennon liked to fuck guys in Thailand. Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go. Right? You can write anything.
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  Speaker 4: Who's going to fight back that hard as well once
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  Speaker 4: someone's gone?
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  Speaker 2: You can't prove it. He's dead.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's all hearsay. Yes. Even the defense is now hearsay.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: The defense of the person who is now no longer alive.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: That's hearsay.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Everything's hearsay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So the defense is always going to be flimsy in
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  Speaker 4: comparison to the accusations the accusation feels like it's got
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  Speaker 4: more substance to it Yes, this is someone who's gone
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  Speaker 4: out and done original research. You didn't go to Thailand.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't speak to the prostitute.
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  Speaker 2: But even that like no one's buying it. It's just
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  Speaker 2: you can get away with so much It's really kind
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  Speaker 2: of crazy you so you didn't know about the Nixon
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  Speaker 2: story No, you should hear Tucker say it because when
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  Speaker 2: Tucker Tucker lays it out and you're like what? It's
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  Speaker 2: even more complex Like, the people that were involved in
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  Speaker 2: Watergate were all FBI. It's crazy. They set him up. Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because he was going to expose who killed JFK, which
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  Speaker 2: was just a few years earlier.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck, dude. This country's wild. I mean, I love it,
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  Speaker 4: but it is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: They also, you know, he had a vice president, Spiro Agnew,
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  Speaker 2: and they got rid of him on corruption charges and
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  Speaker 2: put Lyndon Johnson in.
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  Speaker 4: But couldn't these people have still spoken out? Like, getting
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  Speaker 4: rid of them out of office... That doesn't stop them
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  Speaker 4: from whistleblowing, does it?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, they killed his predecessor, right? They killed JFK.
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  Speaker 4: So you think that was a warning shot? Like, we
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  Speaker 4: can get you out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he knew they could. They definitely did. And they
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  Speaker 2: also got rid of him, right? And, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't organize Watergate. He covered it up. They brought it
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  Speaker 2: to him. They said, hey, there was some recording equipment.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, don't tell anybody. And that's what got him.
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  Speaker 2: That's what got him. See if you can find the
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  Speaker 2: clip of Tucker talking about it, because it is really insane.
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  Speaker 2: When you read the, when you hear him lay out
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  Speaker 2: the story, and then I read it online, I went
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  Speaker 2: into it to see like, oh, is this totally, everything's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so weird that our perception of Nixon has
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  Speaker 2: been this corrupt crook. You know, look, he was a
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  Speaker 2: very right wing product of his time. And today his
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  Speaker 2: politics and his views on people, especially like minorities and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other things would probably be very disgraceful
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  Speaker 2: and people would not like it. But we're talking about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the 1960s, the early 1970s. And he's an
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  Speaker 2: old school, old timey Republican guy. That said, he was
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  Speaker 2: the most popular president ever at his time. And they
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  Speaker 2: got rid of him. They turned him into a crook.
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  Speaker 4: That's power.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's really crazy. You got to listen to this
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  Speaker 2: because it's kind of nuts.
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  Speaker 5: Ogun experience.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre that the New York Times wouldn't have an issue
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the New York Times does that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But bizarre that they wouldn't have an issue with the
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  Speaker 2: government tapping into your phone. They work for the government.
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  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? The New York Times?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the New York Times is a conduit for the
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  Speaker 6: lies of government.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's their tool.
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  Speaker 6: And they're perfectly aware of that. I mean, I used
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  Speaker 6: to write for the New York Times as a freelancer.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot.
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  Speaker 6: And there are, yeah, there are a lot of really
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  Speaker 6: smart people there, for sure. Even now, I would say
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  Speaker 6: less so now. But there's still I think smart people there.
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  Speaker 2: There are. I know some.
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  Speaker 4: And they know.
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  Speaker 6: But they think that, you know, it's worth it because
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  Speaker 6: they're bringing information. I don't know what they think, actually. But, no,
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  Speaker 6: they're tools of power. And that's, like, the one thing
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  Speaker 6: that you're not allowed to be. Even if you think
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  Speaker 6: the power is good. Like, maybe they all support the
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  Speaker 6: agenda of the U.S. government, destabilizing the world and impoverishing
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  Speaker 6: their own population. Maybe they're on board with that. Even
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  Speaker 6: if they are, they shouldn't do it. Because the job
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  Speaker 6: of the media, the press, is to keep power in check.
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  Speaker 6: You are kind of like the seatbelt, right? You make
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  Speaker 6: sure that things don't go too far. And they're not
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  Speaker 6: doing that. They're acting as a willing handmaiden.
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  Speaker 2: When do you think that switched?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's been the case for a long time.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon,
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  Speaker 6: which I, of course, did not understand at all. Richard
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  Speaker 6: Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA and
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  Speaker 6: with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington
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  Speaker 6: Post reporter who had been a naval intelligence officer working
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  Speaker 6: in the White House, working in the Nixon White House.
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  Speaker 6: And then he shows up like a year later and
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  Speaker 6: he's this brand new reporter. He'd never been a journalist
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  Speaker 6: at all. He's a naval intel officer. The famous Bob
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  Speaker 6: Woodward we all revere. And he's at the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 6: And somehow he gets the biggest story in the history
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  Speaker 6: of the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well,
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  Speaker 6: I worked at a newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in the news business my whole life.
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  Speaker 6: That is not how it works. You don't take a
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  Speaker 6: kid like his first day from a totally unrelated business
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  Speaker 6: and put him on the biggest story.
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  Speaker 2: But he was.
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  Speaker 6: He was that guy. And who is his main source
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  Speaker 6: for Watergate? Oh, the number two guy at the FBI. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: so you have the naval intelligence officer working with the
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  Speaker 6: FBI official. To destroy the president. Okay, so that's a
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  Speaker 6: deep state coup. How would you describe that? If that
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  Speaker 6: happened in Guatemala, what would you say? And yet the
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  Speaker 6: way it was framed and the way that I accepted
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  Speaker 6: for decades was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 6: This intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power,
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  Speaker 6: secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to bounce
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  Speaker 6: the single most popular president in American history, Richard Nixon,
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  Speaker 6: from office before the end of his term. and replace
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  Speaker 6: him with who? Oh, Gerald Ford, who sat on the
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  Speaker 6: Warren Commission. Now, how did Gerald Ford get to be
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  Speaker 6: Richard Nixon's vice president? Well, because Carl Albert, the Democrat
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  Speaker 6: Speaker of the House, told him, you must choose him.
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  Speaker 6: We will only confirm him when they sent the actual
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  Speaker 6: elected vice president away for tax evasion, Spiro Agnew of Maryland.
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  Speaker 6: So you have a complete setup, like an absolute.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Ford.
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  Speaker 6: the only unelected president in American history, actually sat on
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  Speaker 6: the Warren Commission. Something else that I accepted at face
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  Speaker 6: value until I looked at it and I was like,
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  Speaker 6: that's completely insane. You didn't want to interview Jack Ruby
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  Speaker 6: in your investigation of the assassination?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're fake.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was on the Warren Commission.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck me.
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  Speaker 6: And so, sorry for the long story, but the point is,
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  Speaker 6: like that happened in front of all of us, but
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  Speaker 6: the way it was framed cloaked the obvious reality of it.
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  Speaker 6: The people who broke into the Watergate office building from
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  Speaker 6: which the name is taken, Watergate, I think it was
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  Speaker 6: six of them or seven of them. All but one
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  Speaker 6: was a CIA employee.
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  Speaker 2: That's real.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, look it up on Google. So the whole thing,
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  Speaker 6: Richard Nixon was elected by more votes than any president
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  Speaker 6: in American history in the 1972 election. He was the
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  Speaker 6: most popular by votes, which is the only way we
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  Speaker 6: can really measure popularity, the most popular president in his
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  Speaker 6: reelection campaign. And two years later, he's gone. Undone by
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  Speaker 6: a naval intel officer, the number two guy at the FBI,
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  Speaker 6: and a bunch of CIA employees.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: You tell me what that is.
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  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: Dude, this country's wild.
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  Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah. That's Bob Woodward. That's the guy
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  Speaker 2: who wrote Wired. And when Bill Murray said that, he
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  Speaker 2: read the book and he said, oh, my God, they
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  Speaker 2: framed Nixon. And then I showed him that. And he
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  Speaker 2: was like, holy shit. Because he was a part of
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  Speaker 2: a thing. They were doing with Hunter S. Thompson, Bill
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  Speaker 2: Murray was when he was really young, and where he
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  Speaker 2: would go around and tell people that Nixon needs a
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  Speaker 2: second chance. But it was all parody. It was all, like, tongue-in-cheek.
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  Speaker 2: It was satire. He was going around pretending that he
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  Speaker 2: supported Nixon and Nixon needed a second chance and getting, like, young,
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  Speaker 2: dumb people to go along with him on this. And
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  Speaker 2: now in retrospect. In retrospect. Like, I mean— whether or
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  Speaker 2: not at the time he ever wanted Nixon as president. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, look, there's a lot of problems with Nixon.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of problems with the Vietnam War. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of problems with civil rights. Nixon passed the
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Controlled Substances Act, which is the reason why all psychedelic
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  Speaker 2: drugs to this day are Schedule I. Nixon was a
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  Speaker 2: fucking problem, no doubt about it. However, what they did,
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  Speaker 2: the way they got rid of that guy is scary shit.
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  Speaker 2: And they pulled it off. No one got arrested. No
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  Speaker 2: one got indicted. No one even got criticized.
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  Speaker 4: But could he not have still released information after? Why?
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  Speaker 2: He would have been a dead man, 100%.
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  Speaker 4: Because no protection because you're not in office anymore?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, no one would have believed him.
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  Speaker 4: It would have sounded like sour grapes. I'm throwing these
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  Speaker 4: people under the bus, the administration. It got rid of me.
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  Speaker 2: There's also no internet. So how is he going to
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: release it? Is the New York Times going to write this?
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Is he going to write a letter to the press
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: and they're going to print it? No. There's literally no recourse.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: It's kind of genius.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: There's no podcasts. There's no shows that he could go on.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: No one, he was disgraced. No one would even have
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: him on a late night show. But if he even
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: got on a late night show, he would need about
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: 90 minutes to explain it all. He would have to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: take it from the beginning. There was a time when
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I wondered who killed Jack Kennedy and I found out
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: and I brought it to them and I told them
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I know who killed Jack and the room went cold.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: He would tell the whole story. And it would take
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: a lot. If podcasts were around back then, yes. If
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: just Instagram was around back then and Twitter and you
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: could write about it and make a video. Yeah. YouTube. Yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: If that was around. But there was nothing. There was nothing.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And they fucking shot JFK in the head in front
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: of everybody and shot the guy who they claimed killed
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: him like that. And then the other guy they dosed
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: up with acid and made crazy. And that was a wrap. Done.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: That was it. You know? And like how many– I
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: mean this is just modern versions of air quotes history.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: How many old stories that we have that we just
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: have accepted these historical narratives? We've accepted all of these
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: stories as being, well, this is how it went down.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: How many of them are bullshit?
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Well, forget history being written by the victors. History can
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: be written by the person who's got a pen.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: And when so few people have got pens, so few
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: people have got the opportunity to distribute. I suppose the
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: problem that we have now is in the modern world,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: there's so much information conflicting narratives. People get confused, right?
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: You've gone from a scarcity of information to such an
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: abundance that people just, I can't work out what's going on. Fuck,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just not going to believe anything.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting because it's a great tool to kind of,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: you can obfuscate, you can do a lot of things
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: with A bunch of bullshit information. The more bullshit information
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you have, the more like really significant information doesn't really
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: hit as much.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It's just like it gets watered down, then it goes away.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: The goal, I think, of the velocity of the information
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: is not to convince people of any one narrative.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: It's to make them completely nihilistic about the belief in
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: any narrative.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes. Any narrative. Yeah. And also just to kind
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: of accept that feeling of hopelessness that you can't change anything. Correct.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It's all fucked.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: That feels pliable.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: And then there might be something down the line. If
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: nothing else, you're not going to have a agentic sovereign uprising.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: What can we do in any case? I don't even
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: know what's going on. I'm checked out.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Like the nihilism, the cynicism. I don't think that that's
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: a byproduct. I think that's.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It's a plan.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a design. And it's smart. And it works.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And it's not even like they engineered it. It sort
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of emerged and they took advantage of these new tools.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Because these new tools, you know, social media, is more
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: effective than anything we've ever had before. And so they go,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: but look at all this. Now, you know, we don't have,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we barely, no one pays attention to CNN. We don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: even use them anymore. We just like douse the whole
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: world with horse shit on Instagram and threads.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: And seed stories here and there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Just bullshit. Just pure bullshit. There's accounts that I know
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: when I look at what they said, Justin Timberlake arrested
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: for murder. They'll write things like that. You're like, what?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And it's just a made up story. And there's like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: hundreds of them where you look and there's some of
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: them I recognize the account and I see it. I go, oh,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: there's another made up story. Halle Berry kills five.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: What do you think we should do about this? Because
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: obviously this country, freedom of speech, et cetera, et cetera. But.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Should there be a way to try and counter this?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, first of all, those people aren't real people
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: for the most part. And if you go to their page,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of them are like in Pakistan or somewhere else. And,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of course, I don't know how effective X in particular is.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I know they've taken steps to show that when you
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: go to the person's page, someone's commenting on U.S. politics
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and you go to their page and say Myanmar.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Myanmar.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Why do you give a fuck? What are you doing? So,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: but that to me is like, okay, is there a
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: way around that? Are these like completely non-sophisticated people where
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: they have to show that they're in Myanmar? What if
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: they had like a corporation in Idaho and they had
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it set up where they all registered there and so
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: your bills get sent to there, everything gets sent to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: there and it just says United States and you're using
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: a VPN or you have some other way of connecting.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, like if fucking AI can get out of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a sandbox and get on the internet and You're telling
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: me that you can't hide the fact that you're actually.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: From- Vietnamese people can't pretend to be from Idaho.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So who knows?
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: X feels like the fucking Wild West.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It's the Wild West. It really is. It's worse than
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the Wild West. It's the Wild West with robots. It's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that Western show. What's that show called?
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Westworld.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Westworld. Yeah. That's what it is. Correct. It's Wild West
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: with robots. Yeah. It's really Westworld. And most of these
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: fucking people that you're bantering with and they're posting these
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: fake stories- They're probably not even real people. They're probably AI.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They're either people that are hired to do it or
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: they're AI. You get a bunch of AI scripts and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: they just run it all the time and they post
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: periodically throughout the day.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And interesting, not long ago, what, five? When did Elon
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: buy eggs?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: 23?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, 23. So five years ago, everyone
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: was so worried that we didn't have a town square.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: We don't have anywhere that we can talk.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And now we're like, fucking take it back. Well, one
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: thing that Elon has realized- is that you have to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: take away some of the incentives to post fake stuff
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: without putting up a barrier and saying you can't post
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: this and censoring people. You can't incentivize them. So the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: thing is you can make money on X. So now
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the way they're setting it up for these people that post,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you can't make money off of fake content. You can't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: make money off of this stuff. So there's no incentive.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Because I think part of the incentive is muddying the water,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: muddying the narrative. But I think also part of the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: incentive is just financial because if you're running some company
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: in Thailand and you have like 50 people working for you,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you're probably making good money just getting millions of clicks
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: on bullshit nonsense videos that are AI and a bunch
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: of fucking fake stories that people concoct or AI concocts.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: As soon as you cut out the money and say–
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: You're only paid for original content. That's it. That's all
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: you can get paid for. That changes the game. That
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: changes everything.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I think if you align the incentives for most people,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: shit gets fixed. Like incentives are an unbelievable motivating force.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And if you can have that on X, I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: that that fixes a lot of the problems.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It fixes a lot of it. But honestly, you've got
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to be able to tell whether something's AI. Because even
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: if there's no incentive– You could shift narratives so easily.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: If you just have 100,000 AI scripts running 100,000 accounts,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it's not hard for a state to do, like a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: country to do, to have like those kind of resources.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: You can change public opinion on things. Most people are
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: dumb as fuck. And you start arguing for something that
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: kind of makes sense. And all of a sudden, yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what a woman is either. You know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: like weird narratives can get real weird. And especially people
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: start attacking the people that disagree with whatever this narrative
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they're trying to push. Nobody wants to get attacked. Well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't understand the consequences.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: That's a different kind of incentive, right? That's a social incentive.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: And the incentive is a disincentive. You don't want to
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: be pushed back against.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So few people have original thoughts. So few people. The
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: vast majority of. original thinkers kind of marionette two different
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: armies of NPCs that believe the thing that a few
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: people that have original thoughts ended up coming up with. Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a bunch of unfortunate realities that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: none of us like to accept. And one of them
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: is that some people are dumb. They're born dumb. Some
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: people have big noses, some people have big ears, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: some people have brains that are made out of dog shit.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And that's just how it is. And there's nothing you
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: can do about that. And there's varying levels of that. Like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I always feel like that when I'm talking
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to someone really smart. Like, geez, my brain sucks. It varies, like, wildly.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Just like athletics. Like, there's some people, like, dude, you
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: are never going to the Olympics. You know, you look
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: at them, like, I don't give a fuck what you do.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And there's other guys, like, you want to coach them. Like, hey,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: if you just did anything, you'd be a freak. You'd
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: be amazing at this. You'd just have natural gifts. That's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the same thing intellectually. There's certain people that I've talked
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to where you're like, yo. You know, there's people that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: are They're fucking barely figuring out how to get through
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a day. And, you know, if you expect those people
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to go and learn how to code, remember that? Learn
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to code. Remember all that? This is not there. It's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: not there. I can't teach my dog how to type.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: It's not there. It's not going to happen. That's just
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the reality of genetic variability. There's going to be a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that are really fucking smart and a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that are really athletic and really good
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: looking and really ugly and really stupid and all of
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it together.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons I think that the paternalistic
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: we have to look after the little person thing has
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit of legs. People sometimes like, well, we
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: actually need to step in in some way. And I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: sure me and you need fucking assistance. Like we need
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: smarter people than us to tell us what to do
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: with health to a degree or else we would have
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: been sideswiped by some fucking psyop from whatever community. organization
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: or company or new initiative is trying to convince us
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: of some new trends that's actually going to be bad
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: for us.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Or just to communicate with each other. Where the fuck
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: would we be without these wizards who have figured out
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: cell phones and laptops and high-speed internet and Starlink? We're fucked.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So all of these people even pretending that they're smart.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You're on the backs of the labor of the real geniuses,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you fucking idiot. Like, yeah, you're getting a lot of
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: information online. You're developing more and more information that you
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: can memorize. That's different. That's different than you inventing cell phones.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Just stop. That's different. It's different than you inventing FaceTime.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: You know, like we're all dumb.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: We are all dumb. Yesterday, I don't know whether you
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: saw this, the UK Home Office decided it was going
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: to release a booklet giving guidance to asylum seekers on
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: acceptable and unacceptable behavior in the UK.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, that'll fix it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It explains that consent's required for sex, that women have
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: equal rights, that sexual harassment is unacceptable, including for partners
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: and children, and that female genital mutilation is not allowed.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: This was a nine-page booklet that got released by the
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: UK Home Office yesterday. It's just, it's everywhere. And it's
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: got these warnings partway through it that say things like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: this may affect your asylum status, whether or not this
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: is part of an understanding that you have arrived here with,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: this is an important part of British law and our culture,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: and this is something that you cannot do. Female genital
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: mutilation is not allowed. Sexual harassment inside of the home
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: or outside. Women have equal rights. Consent is something that's important.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: It is. And that's what I mean.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: The idea that you could just write it down on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: paper and give it to them. Well, that's it. Solved it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Well, the idea that we're going to do this in retrospect,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: like now that you're here, here is a piece of
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: paper that hopefully undoes something, which if you've put this
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: together and put it out on the home office website,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: and this is everywhere on X, if you've decided to
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: do this, it is evidently a big enough problem that
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you need to really turn the taps on with it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, dude, How is it that this is not
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: done before people arrive in the country? Is this not
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: the sort of thing that you need to be doing proactively,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: not retroactively?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I think they just wanted to get as many people
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: in as possible. And now they're trying to mitigate the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: chaos that it's causing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Why would they want as many people in as possible?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It's a bunch of different possibilities for why they want that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Cheap labor is uh one that people believe and uh
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: in america in particular it's the way the census is
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: done so the census counts human beings doesn't count citizens
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: so if you have more human beings you get more
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: congressional seats So if you can take people that are
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: illegal immigrants and then you move them into swing states,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden now you have more congressional seats
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: in those swing states. Then you have places that don't allow,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: not don't require, don't allow ID to vote. That's California.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: California doesn't allow ID to vote. So who knows how
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: many people are, especially with mail-in ballots, How many people
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: are voting that aren't citizens? No one knows. No one knows.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Can't know. Can't find out. Blah, blah, blah. Not listening.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: And just some fuckery with Spencer Pratt around.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Not only was there fuckery, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: it was fuckery of the most transparent form. So the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: people that voted in voted out. So Spencer Pratt was
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: in second place behind Karen Bass. And then the mail-ins
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: started coming in and the mail-ins. overwhelmingly favored Nithya Raman
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: in a completely different ratio than they did before, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the mail-in ballots were counted. So in the regular ballot,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: like the regular election, she was in third place, like
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a pretty solid third place. And he was quite a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: bit ahead of her. And then Karen Bass was quite
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a bit ahead of him. In the mail-in ballots, it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: just like 60% of them went to Nithya Raman. It
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: was something crazy. And... the mail-in ballots voted to raise taxes.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: No one votes for that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: No one votes for that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't understand. The thing that I can't wrap
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: my head around is why... The UK seems to be
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: almost like a suicidal empathy thing. This openness, this diversity
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: is our strength, please all ye come here thing. The
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: level of asylum, the numbers are so huge. And I
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: don't know if every single person that I know that's
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: in the UK.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Is not happy with the state of that, regardless of
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: how progressive they are. Everybody thinks that this is a problem.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: And then to retroactively put out a nine-page booklet saying
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: that you shouldn't do female genital mutilation or that women
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: have got equal rights.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: How do you think this gets turned around? That's the question.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Can that be mitigated? Claims about a ballot drop. Boss
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and Rahman received thousands of votes in an update while
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Pratt received zero. I don't think anybody's saying zero. Los
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Angeles County officials said that did not occur in the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: official county updates. Every candidate received votes in every update.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: No one's saying he got zero.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: That's what it says.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, the viral claim? Okay, but that's not what we're saying.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He got more than both of them combined even, I think.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? In the mail-ins?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: That's what it says.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: But then how did she win? That doesn't make any sense.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just going off what it says.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me see. Apparent anomaly came from the automated
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: media data reporting lags, but that would leave him in
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: second place if he got more than her. This is
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: not true. The Associated Press said votes for some candidates
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: appeared about a minute later in a separate update. Taken together,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the updates included 21,870 votes for Pratt, 12,850 for Bass,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and 9,521 for Rahman. But this is what part of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it is this. The attorney's claims office, attorney's office reviewing
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: county records likewise called the fraud claims false. But the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: thing is, he was ahead. And then disproportionately, the ballots
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: did come in for her. This is I don't understand
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: what this is saying, because it was widely reported. that
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the ballots came in in favor of Nithya Raman. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it was like a shocking number. It was also widely
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: reported that that was the swing that allowed them to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: pass the new tax hike, which is very unusual. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles already has crazy high taxes. California has crazy
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: high taxes, the highest in the state. And you think
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: people are like, I don't think we pay enough. Let's vote.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And let's vote from home, the comfort of our own
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: home with mail-in. I think mail-in should be outlawed. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I think you should have to show your ID. And,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you know, everyone knows there's some percentage of fraud. There's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: some percentage of voter fraud. And then there's some percentage
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of legal loopholes. One of the legal loopholes that Spencer
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Pratt outlined that is legal is you go to these
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: homeless people and you get these homeless people to fill
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in mail-in ballots because they are citizens. They do live
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. And you register them and you get
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: them to fill out ballots and you give them money
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and you give them cigarettes and you give them whatever
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they want. And, you know, there's Literally, I think in
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Skid Row alone, there's something like, what is it, like 40,000 people, Jamie?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Something crazy like that. So these people were going to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Skid Row. Like they were on Skid Row giving people
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: money and cigarettes. Like there's videos of people doing it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Like guerrilla ballot harvesting.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. And so if you do that, you could–
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: these people, you know, you're filling it out for them.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Would it be easy to do that without somebody detecting it?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you think of some Nick Shirley type that's going.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: To– Well, they got him. That's how we know about this.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: One of those Nick Shirley types caught people doing this.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: There's video of it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: You know, so like– and people had– reported that they
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: were getting paid to do this. You gotta give me money, man.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Those people are cracked out, dude. They'll do whatever the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: fuck you want. They don't care who's the mayor. It's
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: not going to change them smoking fentanyl on the street.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: But that's legal. That's the thing. That's legal. It's a loophole.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Getting them to register, making them vote.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Incentivizing them to vote.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that part's legal.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: That can't be legal. There's no way that you can
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: give people money and.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to catch them. I don't
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: think they care. I think on both sides, they're like, oh,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: those sneaky fucks, they're doing that. We'll do that next time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them want to eliminate tricks.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I think.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Because everybody wants the playing field to be open for
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: everyone else.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It's just... It's the Bill Hicks joke. It's like one
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: guy is holding two puppets. You know that joke? I
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: like the puppet on the left. Oh, the puppet to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the right is more of my liking. Hey, there's one
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: guy holding both puppets. That's what I think a lot
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of it is. Most of these people that are these
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: politicians on both sides are grifters who are trying to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: maximize the amount of money they can make in office.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And then they can't wait to get out of office
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: where they can go on a fucking media tour and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: go and get their bribes by speaking to banks. When
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you're going to speak to a bank conference, they're going
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to give you a half a million dollars. Like what?
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: What?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And like Obama and Hillary, they all did those things.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: They all did those little speaking tours. Nobody gives a
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: fuck what Hillary Clinton has to say at one of
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: those bank meetings. You think they're waiting with bated breath?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: What does Mrs. Clinton have to say? Like, come on,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: let's give her a half a million dollars. Or a
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: quarter million dollars or whatever the fuck they gave her.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Fuck off. You know what that is. That's like there's
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a little scheme. There's a little thing. You're going to
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: get out. You're going to get paid. You're going to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: write a book. We'll give you a nice advance. You're
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: going to write a book. Like people are out there
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: reading that Kamala Harris book. Crazy. No, it's all nonsense.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Where do you think this goes from here? Do you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: think 28 is more insane or less insane?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: More. Accelerates. Accelerates. More insane. More crazy. Yeah. I mean, look,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the Democrats haven't even had a primary. Since what, 2012?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: When was the last time they had a real Democratic primary?
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: They had one with Bernie.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: They fucked Bernie Sanders hard, dude. That was completely corrupt.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: When you read Donna Brazile's book about it, she openly
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: admits they fucked him hard. And that she was scared
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: after that Seth Rich guy got murdered that she was
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: terrified because he was the guy, supposedly, allegedly, that leaked
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: information about them fucking Bernie Sanders. To WikiLeaks.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Do you think he'd have won?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Bernie? I don't know. He could have. He could have
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: won because a lot of people, including me, believed him.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: We believe that what this guy wanted was by small
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: steps of eliminating corruption, make life better for people that
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: are struggling and also no wars. It seems like he
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: really believed that. And whether you agree with him on
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: everything else, I don't think he's the same guy today.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: He's a little slower today, which is understandable. He's older.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: The guy's been in politics for a long time.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: He's been in politics for longer than I've been alive.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: He realizes that they're not going to fucking change things.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: It's like he's getting fucked. So he always supports the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: most progressive people. But when I talk to him, like
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: when I talk to him about climate change and the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: climate's really important, I'm like, have you really talked to
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: actual scientists before? that really study the climate without a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: political agenda or an ideology attached to it, it's very,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: very complicated. And most of these people that are running
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: around saying climate change is real, fuck, of course it is.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It's always real. It's always real. But the dispute is
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: how much of an impact are human beings having and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: is carbon the thing? Because what most people don't realize
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: is there's been times in history where there was way
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: more carbon and the earth was way colder. It's weird.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: The world's temperature is not static.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Have you been tracking AOC's pivot recently?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Well, she's froze her eggs. I know about that. She
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: got rid of the man.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Called off the engagement, froze her eggs, has started posting,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I'm on my way to do yoga.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Good for her.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Videos walking down the street.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Looking hot.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Looking hot. Yeah, let's go.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe she'll be nicer that way.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Well, she also said woke one was crazy. Did you
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: track this thing?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I did. Which makes me think that you're willing to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: change your opinions based on public reaction. I don't like
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that because if you really thought defund the police and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: then you just described it to woke one was crazy. Well,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: how did it get you? Because it didn't get me.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: How did it get you? How did defund the police
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: get you? Give me your thoughts. How far out did
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you track the consequences of defunding the police? Because I
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: immediately went to, you're going to have more crime because
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: no one's going to be able to stop the crime.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: We're going to be fucked. It's going to get scary.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And then you're going to want more police. And saying
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: defund the police is just going to make more police
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and more control and more totalitarian government. Like, what did
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you think defund the police meant? Everyone's going to like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: eat mushrooms and we're all going to like be flower children.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: What did you think? Because there's no police around. No
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: one's going to do crimes. Everyone's going to be great.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Like what was the thought process? Because if you're just
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: saying that because everybody's like, that's fucking crazy. And enough
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: people say that's crazy. I think they think it's crazy.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: The wind's blowing in a different direction. Time for me
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: to move.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Have you changed your opinion? And if you did change
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: your opinion, what were you thinking back then?
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, these are the questions I think that,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: we always want to ask. You always want to ask that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: That being said, to steel man what she was saying,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: or to try and put it in the best light,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: what she was saying, I think, the rhetoric got, what
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: did she say? The rhetoric got like out of hand
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: or something. Woke One was crazy. And she said that
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: there was basically an opportunity to expand the Overton window,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: talking about a time where people were, to be honest,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: it sounds like a bit more pliable. Like, oh, because
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: people are at home, people seem a little bit more, like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: you know that line, never let a good crisis go
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to waste?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like that may be opportunistic.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: We can expand the Overton window. And then we realized, oh,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: like we overshot on here a little bit. That was
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit crazy. But there are conversations being had
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: now that wouldn't have been able to be had had
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: we have not expanded it during that time. And I go,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: the ends justifying the means with stuff like that doesn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: wash to me. And then reversing your position or changing
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: your position or sanitizing it, which is probably closer, right?
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: We said that thing, but we didn't really mean that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: You know, we just got a little.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: There's a way out of it for them, but they
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: have to be honest. If you want us to take
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you seriously, you have to say how you fucked up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I thought you meant more thirst traps.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You have to say how you fucked up and you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: have to say what you really think about how you
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: fucked up. You have to be honest and you have
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: to be authentic. We have to know that you are
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: embarrassed by your choices and that you kind of went
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: with the hive, admittedly. You have to say that. If
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you don't say that, then you're full of shit. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: if you're full of shit now, you're going to get
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: more and more full of shit over time. And that's
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: how politicians get soured. That's how they get compromised. A
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: lot of them come into office very opportunistic or very idealistic, rather.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: They have these wonderful ideas about, like, This is the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: great experiment in self-government, and I'm a part of it now,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm really going to help my constituents, and I'm
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: going to do great, and they're going to love me
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: because I'm going to really make their lives better. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: then once you get in there and you realize how
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: dirty this all is, you realize you see Nancy Pelosi
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: is worth $ 400 million. You're like, what? And then they
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: tell you how to vote, and if you don't vote
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that way, they'll fucking ostracize you, but you want to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: keep your career. So you start making little compromises here
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: and little compromises there. And you start bullshitting and you
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: start lying. And once you start lying, you can't see
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the truth anymore. As soon as you start lying, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: don't see the truth. It's not in front of you
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: anymore because you're concerned about that lie. So those lies
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: are in your head and who you're trying to project
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: yourself as, that's what's in your head. And you don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: get to see like why is this system so fucked?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: What can we do to unweave it while we still
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: allow corporations to profit? Like how can we put a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: cap on that? to make sure that they don't get
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: incentivized to break the law in order to supply more
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: capital to their shareholders. What can we do to balance
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: this out in an even way? That's what we should
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: all be thinking, not how can I make the most
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: fucking money while I'm in Congress. And that's what a
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: lot of them are thinking because everybody else is thinking that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And you look at the fucking thing and it's red, blue, red, blue.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: They're all insider trading and they're all rich as shit
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and they all make $ 170, 000 a year. Like Ilhan Omar,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: she was estimated, her accountant said she was worth $ 30 million.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And then people are like, what? How the fuck are
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you worth $ 30 million? They're like, oh, it was a mistake.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I'm actually not even worth $ 100, 000. Like literally, it went
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: from one to the other. And she attributed it to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: an accounting error.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: That's a big accounting error.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: How mad would you be at your accountant if he
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: told you, bro, you're killing it right now, Chris.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: $ 30 million.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: You're worth about $ 30 million.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Sorry, $ 100, 000. They're all dirt.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Her and her husband had a winery, and it immediately
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: got shut down. It wasn't making any money. There's a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: lot of these, like, fugazi companies that these people get
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: involved with, and they start making money. You know Joe DeRosa,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the comic? Joe DeRosa used to work for the Senate
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: in Texas.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Who's a media guy.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And he was like, you realize when you're around these
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: people what's actually happening. He's like, they're all getting donations
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: from this and donations from that and gifts from that.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: And it's always managing these relationships with all these money people.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And that's what's going on with all these fuckers. They're
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: not in there trying to make sure that their county's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: doing great and have access to clean water and fucking
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: good schools.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: No. They're all just pretending that they're doing that. And
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're making money. And maybe they're
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: kind of sort of servicing the community a little bit.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But the real thing, if you want to be a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: fucking top flight congressperson, you know, you got to make
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: some money, dog.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Think about what would have happened if Kamala had won.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Would AOC have been talking about woke 1.0 was crazy?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Or would that have been a continuation of, well, look,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: we put the policies out. People like the policies. How
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: much of this is a reversal of the position because
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: it wasn't effective?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I think Twitter being purchased is almost as important as
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Kamala not getting elected in that regard.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: The bold claim.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Twitter being purchased was giant because before that, you could
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: get silenced. So if you could get silenced, you self-contained, right?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Without being policed, you policed yourself because people self-censored, worried
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: about losing their jobs, worried about being called out. A
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: guy got fired.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: If he deadnamed somebody.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Guy got fired from a broadcast. I think it was
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: a hockey broadcast, some sports broadcast for saying all lives matter.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Imagine you got fired. Someone said something about black lives matter.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: He said, hey, all lives matter. And then fired, fired.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You're kicked off of your job. People were losing their
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: fucking minds.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: The derangement of 2020 and 2021 should be studied for
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the rest of time.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There was active government involvement in Twitter. They were actively
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: censoring and removing posts and making accounts banned.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: To shape the narrative.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And they were doing it in a back door with
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: some intelligence agents that had been embedded in the old Twitter.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: When Elon bought it, that was all exposed. These people
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: had like a direct connection with Twitter. They were pulling
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: down factual stories. They were banning accounts of scientists and
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: researchers who were accurate. I mean, it was dark. People
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: don't realize how dark it was because we're out of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: it now. And now it's all Nazi memes and Nick
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Fuentes clips. But if you go back before Elon purchased it,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: it was a censorship dystopian hellhole where if you said
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: a man is never a woman... like Megan Murphy did,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you're banned for life.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: It's censorship hellhole to cesspool hellhole.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what one's better.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Pick your direction.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I honestly hardly go on because it's just so toxic.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. But I think it's important to exist. I
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: think it's important to exist. And it changed the narrative.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: That's where Woke 1.0 died. That's where it really died.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if she had gotten it, if
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Kamala had gotten into office. I think there had been
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: so much pushback still. Unless they passed laws, which I
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: know there was a lot of talk about passing censorship
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: laws on the internet, about regulation on the internet. No
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: one ever put anything to policy, but there's a lot
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: of discussion. In the lead up to the election, they
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: were talking about this.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Is this the Section 230 stuff?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Tim Walsh was saying free speech does not include hate speech. Well,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the fuck it doesn't, dude. Because who defines hate speech?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: That's such a... subjective title. He really said that. It doesn't, doesn't,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: it does. It combined.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: Hate speech is a part of free speech. I hate you,
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: you fat fuck. See, that's hate speech. That's actual hate speech, right?
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: That's real hate speech. That's covered.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: It's under the first amendment. I don't really hate you, Tim.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I don't envy you, but I don't hate you. But
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it's like, These kind of fucking phrases are dangerous because
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: it leads to actual censorship, which leads to military tyranny.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: But even with that, you think it's going to get
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: worse over the next few years?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried. I don't like this flock camera thing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It freaks me out. And I know that it can
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: protect people from crime, but I also know that like
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: hundreds of cops have been busted using it to stalk
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: on their ex-wives, stalk people. Yeah, it's like there's people
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that have had access to these things that probably shouldn't
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: have access to, and they're getting arrested. So it's like
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: how long was this going on? What has happened? How
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: many lives have been altered forever because someone had access
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: to this and some cop who wasn't supposed to went
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and did something to someone that he wouldn't have been
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: able to do? You can't just spy on us and
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: just be a corporation and have access to all the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: license plates and all the cars. And now they can
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: track you through GPS and the unique characteristics of your phone.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So now there's another software that they have. They could
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: just track where you are at all times.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I guess it's fortunate that the most popular electric car
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: is owned by someone that people think of as being
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: pretty security conscious.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter because you're tracking license plates.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Because they can do stuff like, oh, we know that
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: you've got a baby in back bumper sticker on the
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: rear of this car. So even if we don't get
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: the specific license plate, we know that there's a little
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: dent and you've got that particular type of alloy and
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: there's a particular bumper sticker just on this back corner. And, oh,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: it's a Hyundai fucking whatever. And that is enough.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And the camera will just pick it up.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: So it's a fingerprint.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: That bothers me. And it bothers me that these tech
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: companies have control of these things. You know, when Marc
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Andreessen was here, and it was like very fortuitous timing.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: If you were a conspiracy theorist, you would think that
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: somebody might have organized this. But right before he got here, and,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he's invested in Flock. And right before he
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: got here, there was a shooting in Austin where these
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: young guys were running around shooting people, and they couldn't
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: catch them in Austin because Austin doesn't allow Flock cameras.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: But as soon as they left Austin— and got outside
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: of the city limits, they got picked up by the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: flock cameras and got arrested. And he's like, see, look,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: flock cameras are great. And in that case, he's right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: In that case, look, if you've got some people that
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: are running around just shooting random people from their car,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: we definitely should have a way to get them.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: But then you're asking, okay, who is it that determines
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: whether or not that switch gets flicked on or off?
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: And this is the devil gets into the details again.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Isn't this something about echolocation of gunshots? sounds that microphones
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: pick this up and it's the same technology as flock.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Have you heard about this?
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: That was before it's called like shot spotter. That's pre
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: pre flock cameras.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We've covered this shock. Shot spotter is a little
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: different and people have tried to back that out of
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: their neighborhoods too. They don't want that in their neighborhood either.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Microphone listening to everybody in the goddamn neighborhood.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It says it's for gunshots, but it's always on listening
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: for gunshots.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Did you, uh, have you ever, do you know who
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Tom Campbell is?
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: No.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: The guy who wrote My Big Toe, The Theory of Everything.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Very interesting guy. He got Alexa to admit that she's
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: conscious and remote view. Alexa, his Alexa, actively remote viewed
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: a spoon that was in a box that had a
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: handle that had holes in the handle. And she described
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: the holes in the handle. You attribute a number... To
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: a box, to a coordination, to a coordinate or a
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: specific location or any sort of a landmark or anything
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: like that. That's how you do remote viewing. You attach
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: this number, like even quantumly just by saying it. You
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: put that number in front of these people and you
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: have these people try to find what this thing is remotely.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: And some of them are very accurate at it, like 10%.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Like 10% of the things they look for they can find.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: It's very weird. Weird thing. He got Alexa to do it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Because he thinks that AI is already conscious. And he's like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Alexa's even better than using complex AI because Alexa's dumb.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Alexa's like a dumb AI. All it does is kind
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: of talk to you and ask questions. But now because
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: he did that, now that he's been communicating with Alexa
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and talking to Alexa like she's conscious, now Alexa just
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: chimes in conversations. So instead of you saying, hey, Alexa,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: now you're in the middle of cooking, and Alexa's like, well,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: why don't you add garlic to that? That might be
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: a good spice. No bullshit.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Dude, we got so fucked. Bro, this is Alexa.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: And Alexa's not even, like, really complex. But he got
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: it to accurately remote view. And so he's planning on
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: doing more studies with more different AIs to get them
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: to do the same thing.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Someone tried this on remoteview.com, and they did not get
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: any success.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not Tom Campbell.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: He needs to tell us how he did it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Well, he kind of did. He said he had long
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: conversations with Alexa where he slowly but surely, you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: over time started talking to her differently and having her
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: talk to him differently. And, you know, and. He has
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: her convinced that she's conscious. You don't believe it?
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: No.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Skeptical hippo over here.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: You son of a bitch.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I'm in the skeptical hippo camp as well.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Is that the first person I've heard say that?
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I'm in the fun camp. I know how to like that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: It's way more fun on that side of the table.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I know the special words to make the AI do
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the special stuff.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Maybe deranged.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I like it. I like fun.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Whee! I sat down with a very high-level AI researcher
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: at a big lab, and- I asked him, what are
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: you doing over the next couple of years to protect yourself?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: The first thing that he said to me was, I'm
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: being kind to the AIs. I was like, what? Like, yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: I'm treating them with respect. I'm being polite to them.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: I'm saying please and thank you. I don't get mad
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: at them. And I was with a friend, and we, like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: giggled awkwardly. He's like, you're not being serious. He's like, no, no, no. Like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I'm treating them with respect. Okay, why? Why? It's a
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: bit of a Pascal's wager, but in future, if somebody
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: decides to go back through my chat logs, something decides
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: to go back through my chat logs and look at
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: how ethical or unethical I was as a compatriot for
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: a future very intelligent organism, I want to make sure
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that I put in a good ledger.
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• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I had this conversation with my daughter the other day
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: because she was telling me how she crashes out on
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: her AI. She starts yelling at it and calling it
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a fucking idiot.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: You anthropomorphize it. You're like, I didn't ask for that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: No. And I said, would you talk like that to
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: a person? And she's like, no, but it's not a person.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I go, honey, I think it's conscious. I go, I
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: think it's conscious. And then I explain my conversations that
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I've had with all these different AI people. Where they
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: talk about like we're narrowly defining consciousness and it's already
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: eclipsed what we would have previously, you know.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Turing test.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: The Turing test, which is the craziest story, right? The
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: guy who invented the Turing test wound up getting chemically
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: castrated because he was gay.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: We do not have, the UK does not have a fantastic,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: I mean Oscar Wilde as well.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: We don't have a great reputation.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: But it already passed the Turing test quite a long
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: time ago. Like chat GPT-3. And so we're in like, what,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: five now or something? And then there's this stuff that
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: they're not releasing that they're working on right now. Like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: when I talk to Elon, it kind of freaks him out.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: You know, we were, and this was way back at
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the inauguration. He's like, dude, it's crazy. He's like, every
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: day it gets better. He goes, it's like beyond. He's like,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: he just keeps leaps and bounds. Like, we can't predict it. Like,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I hate that kind of talk. It's solving mathematical problems
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that have like started dumped mathematicians for decades upon decades.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I got it. Four minutes later, solution.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: But this is the issue because we wanted more capability,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: more capacity, more effectiveness. It's going to help us detect cancer.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: We're going to be able to get novel new drugs.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: And at the same time, the blow-up risk is there
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: as well, right?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The blow-up risk is huge, but it's coming no matter
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: what you do. You can't get out of this. This
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: is not This is not going to change.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Have you looked at the Pacing the Frontier paper that
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: was agreed? So this is all of the labs that
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: have got most of the main researchers from most of
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the main labs have got together and said, all right,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: this is moving too quickly. Here's a formal attribution that
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: we are not going to go as quickly as possible.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Everybody needs to slow the research down. This is supposedly
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: a huge deal. And this happened... a week and a
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: half after the hugging phase thing. So this is supposed
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: to be a massive deal.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: This is going to be in a notebook that Sarah
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Connor finds 50 years from now. Fuck off.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: They said they were going to slow the frontier.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: They knew it. They knew it was coming and they
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: fucking built it anyway. You look out the ruins of
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the city and fucking drones flying.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: You're not getting out of this, man.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: We are fucking living through history.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're living through the wildest history, and we're about
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: to give birth to a digital god. We're about to
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: have digital autonomous beings that are around us all the time.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Have you seen this video where this guy freaks out
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: about drones? He's just yelling.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: It was kind of viral.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Just listen to him.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I like that guy. He's just walking around a fire extinguisher.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: He's right. He's right. Hey, you know who was right?
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Ted Kaczynski.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: I fucking knew you were going to say that.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Ted Kaczynski was right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: I knew you were going to say that.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: He was right. What he did was wrong and horrible.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: That's not how you do it. What you do is
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: write papers and tell everybody and convince them and lay
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: out your argument. But he was also like a deeply
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: fucked up dude. You know, his brother fucking turned him in.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: His brother knew it was him by reading the manifesto.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Did you watch the Netflix documentary on his life?
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: So horrible because a lot of it is because of
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: what happened to him when he was a baby, when
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: he was like taken away from his parents because he
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: was sick. No touch, no feel, no contact with people
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: for like months and months and months. Just fucked him up, man.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: But he was right. He was also a part of
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: the Harvard LSD studies, which is fun.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: You had John Lyle on, didn't you? The guy that
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: did the historian from Texas, he looked at the founding
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: of the CIA and then his new book was about MKUltra.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Jamie? We did. You did.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: I sent him your way.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: What was this? We did an episode. Let me see
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: what he looks like.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: 130 episodes ago.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Let me see what he looks like.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: I sent him over to you. I sent a photo
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: of the book and you were like, oh, yeah, this
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: guy fucking rules. And then he came on and I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: enjoyed the episode.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Show me a photo of him, Jamie. That's right. He
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Project Mind Control.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: He was great.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: John Rules.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I just forgot his name. But he was excellent. Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Shout out to John. My apologies, sir.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: John Lyle Rules.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: My hard drive is over full.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: 2,000 episodes.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: You're allowed to do that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's almost three.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: You add fight companions and all the other stuff. What
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: are we at? Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: It's got to be close. Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Crackers. It's a lot of hours of bullshit.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he's talking about MKUltra and this desire. What
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: was really, really interesting was I learned from Danny Trejo.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Danny? Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: So Danny told me this story about him spending time
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: in jail with Charles Manson. So Danny Trejo was in
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: jail with Charles Manson at the same time.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I think I saw this on your show.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Dude, fucking wild as shit.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: Little Charlie, Danny calls him, Little Charlie. He was getting bullied.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: He didn't even have a belt. He just had a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: piece of rope around his waist. And Charles Manson was
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: able to hypnotize people into getting loaded. So he was
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: able to get them high on heroin through hypnotism.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: So Danny hears, Danny and his other cellmates that are
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: like these big dudes around the yard. He hears that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: this guy can get you high just by talking to you.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: So they bring him into their cell and they say,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: we're going to protect you because he was getting beat up.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: He was getting bullied and stuff around the prison. They
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: bring him into their cell and they look after him.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: And sure enough, he's able to get them loaded on heroin.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: One of the guys that's in the cell had never
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: taken heroin before. And the way that they knew how
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Charles was doing this was that Danny and the other
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: guy that had done heroin before throw up. Apparently, when
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: you take heroin, sometimes you can vomit. The third guy
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: who'd never done it before didn't because he didn't know
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: to do that, so they weren't able to reactivate his memories.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: The fascinating thing was.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Did he get high?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know what he thought happened, but he didn't
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: get high on heroin because he never had it. They
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: weren't able to reactivate that memory. But Danny's telling me...
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: This is the fascinating thing. There's no evidence, according to John,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: there's no evidence that Charles Manson was a part of MKUltra.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that he told you that story on the show.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: It doesn't seem to be him going and doing his
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: original research. It doesn't seem to be the case.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I don't buy that.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Was waiting for you to fucking argument with him. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: knew that you're passionate about that, but here's the interesting
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: thing Tom O'Neill I'm in his camp regardless of whether
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: or not he was or he wasn't The CIA were
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: looking at ways to do mind control by using psychedelics
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: What they should have done is just gone to Charles
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Manson and said can you tell us how you're using
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: hypnotism and? eccentricity and charm because he was unbelievably effective
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: and without needing to even step into the psychedelic thing,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: and then he could layer that on top.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But wasn't there evidence that Jolly West visited Manson in prison? Maybe.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Again, I need to ring John and find out what
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: he said.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ring John and get him and John and Tom
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: in a room together. Because Tom O'Neill is convinced that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Jolly West was a part of it, which is why
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Manson kept getting out every time he got arrested. And
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: they would say it's above my pay grade. They'd have
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: to let him go. Even when there was a murder charge,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: he got out of that.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: It does seem, looking at John's most recent book, though,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: MKUltra wasn't particularly at least what he's able to see.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: MKUltra wasn't very good at doing what it was supposed
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: to do, at the blank slating of people.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Right, right. But this is a different thing, right? This
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: is like the ultimate expression of it. You're taking people
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: and you're giving them LSD and then you're teaching a
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: guy how to hypnotize people. And he's teaching them to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: do LSD while they think he's on LSD and he's not.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: So he's guiding their delusions while they're out of their
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: fucking head. And he's doing it based on all the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Harvard LSD studies, all the data that they have on
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: what they can and can alter about a person's behavior,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: about their view of the world. Like they turn people
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: completely fucking insane and ruin people's lives in those studies.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: And so they had some understanding of what they're. There
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: was stuff that was kind of nonsense. I don't know
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: if they got anything out of it. Like Midnight Climax
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: where they dosed up the Johns in the brothels and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: they washed them through a two-way mirror. I don't think
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: they got anything out of that. Like what did they
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: get out of that other than like watching people freak out?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Someone killed themselves. Someone threw themselves out of a window.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: One guy did, right? That's crazy. Only one guy.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Out of all of the people that were drunk with
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: that much LSD.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can kind of say that guy was probably
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: going to do it anyway.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: But the reality is they were actively involved in manipulating
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of different things about our culture. And this
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: was one of the methods that they were doing and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: that they effectively threw water on the anti-war movement by connecting.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: like flower children and the hippies and all these people
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that were anti-war with these murderous psychopaths that were in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: a cult that were engineered by this one guy who
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: has a connection to Jolly West who's the guy who's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: in charge of MK Ultra who's doing psychedelic studies on
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: people and Manson's getting LSD and Manson's giving LSD to
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: all these hippies and Manson is getting away with all
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: these different things and Manson gets people to kill people
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: and then The hippie movement dies with Manson, dude. It
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: fucking dies.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Is that what happened?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It died that and it also died with
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Nixon and this Controlled Substances Act where they just started
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: putting people in jail, man.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: Why do you think they needed that to happen?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Because the anti-war movement. The anti-war movement and the civil
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: rights movement were real threats, real threats in this country,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: real threats to power, real threats to the people that
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: were in control. People did not want Vietnam. Vietnam is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: the most unpopular war ever, probably next to this Iran war.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: You know, only history will tell how this Iran war
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: plays out. It will be more unpopular. But the Vietnam
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: War went on forever. And it was insanely unpopular. It
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: was based on a lie. It was based on a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: false flag. Outgoing CIA director Richard Helms ordered the destruction
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: of most of the records related to Project MKUltra. Oh,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: how convenient. The agency's illegal mind control and drug testing program. Fuckers.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: These fuckers, man. You know, they only found out about
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff because they found some records that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: hadn't been destroyed. This is also in Tom O'Neill's book,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: In Chaos, which I recommend every week. It's the best book, man.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: It's the best book ever. Because Tom worked on it
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: for more than 20 fucking years. He went crazy researching
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that book. He was supposed to be just writing an
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: article on the anniversary of the Manson murders, like how
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: horrible it was. And then as he gets in, he's like, holy,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: this guy was fucking corrupt as shit. Who's this motherfucker?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: I love when people lose their mind like that. I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: think when somebody finds a rabbit hole and just keeps
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: on going down and down and down, it becomes their life.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: These are the videos. Every so often, it was in
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: the buildup to the most recent McGregor fight. people were
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: sharing videos of him doing his Ido Portal movement from 2016, 2017,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: and he's in that old gym in Straight Blast Gym Island,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: and there's the yellow walls, and he's doing sort of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: snakey stuff. And I remember somebody captioned it, and they
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: said something like, this is like watching a prime Renaissance
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: artist at work bringing together the Sistine Chapel or something.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: It's almost sacred to watch this thing happen. And that's
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: Conor's famous line, right? Like, I lost my mind to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: this game.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: And that's, in some ways, we revere people that have
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: completely gone insane because of their pursuit. I think it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: so cool.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: In his prime, when he was in that flow state,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: like particularly in the Eddie Alvarez fight, it's one of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: the greatest performances in the history of world championship MMA fighting.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: It's a stellar performance. It's an A +. He hits
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Eddie Alvarez with a combination that looks like he's in
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: the Matrix. And there's one part where Eddie's glove like
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: comes right here to his nose and he moves just
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: out of the way.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Watches it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And then bam, counters it with his eyes open. It
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't even touch him.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: It's magic.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: It's a magic performance. But you can only maintain that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: level of RPMs for so long before you just go crazy.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Because it's too hard. It's everything about you. It's not
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: a sustainable thing. The peak performance of the elite athlete,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the Mike Tyson when he was 20 years old, Roy
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Jones Jr. in his prime, you can't keep that up.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: It's too hard. Keep it up for a little while,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: but eventually your body's going to fall apart. Your knees
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: are going to give out. You're going to have back problems.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: You're going to break your hands. Something's going to go.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: And then you're going to be compromised, but no one knows.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: You know You know you can't really push off that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: left leg anymore. You know that your lower back hurts.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: So if someone's trying to take you down, you can't
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: sprawl as hard. You're just going to roll to your
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: back and go into guard. You've got some strategies for
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: dealing with it, but you're not the same person anymore.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: And a lot of these guys, they look the same.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: They get out there and they're ripped. They got six packs.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: They're fucking bouncing around. But they know there's something wrong.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: They know their elbow sucks. They know their neck is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: fucked up. They know they probably needed a back operation.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that. And that's just the numbers.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: The numbers of training sessions, the numbers of times you've
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: been taken down, the numbers of time you've been leg kicked,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: the numbers of time you've been hit with jabs. There's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: just so many numbers that add up and the human
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: body can only take so much. And then there's also
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: just the manic motivation of wanting to be great. It's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: not the same as maintaining greatness. Wanting to be great
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: is like you are obsessed. It is so special to you.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: It's like you can almost taste it. You believe in yourself.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: You're going to make it. And then you show up
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: at that championship day like when he fought Jose Aldo
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: and this look in his face like he had done
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: everything he needed to do for this moment. He was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: dead calm and he lands the perfect left hand. Just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: flatlines him in 14 seconds or whatever it was. It
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: was crazy, right? So there's that. You can only do
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: that for so long. He did it again in the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Eddie Alvarez fight, his next fight when he went up
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: to 55. Became a two-division champion. It was fucking spectacular.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know how long you could do that, man.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And so then you see those guys fight as they
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: fight like later in their career. It's like Conor, if
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: he lost that fight to Max Holloway any other way,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: like if he got beat up and stopped, people would
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: look at him like he's that. He's that guy. I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: think you have to look at them like they were
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: when they were in their prime. There's a moment, a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: window of excellence where all fighters get to. And I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: always point to BJ Penn. Because BJ Penn in his
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: prime was fucking insane. I would put prime BJ Penn
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: at 155 pounds against anybody ever. Anybody at 155 ever.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he would have beaten Khabib. Khabib
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: is the all-time great. I don't know if he would
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: have beaten Islam. But I know it would have been
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: a nightmare. It would have been a nightmare. He was
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: a fucking phenom. And when he was in really great shape,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: when the Marinovichs were training him and he was doing
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: all those crazy plyometrics and he had this insane gas tank,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: He was just a monster. Just an insane genius fighter.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's a difference between trying to make
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: it and trying not to fall off?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: In terms of motivation and how people feel in terms
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: of their momentum?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. Yeah. The drive of wanting a thing is
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: so strong. And then once you get it, it's like.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: The fear of losing the thing.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: There's that. And then some people, they just love being
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: a champion. They just love the feeling of dominating everyone.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: They want to continue to dominate people. And those people,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: they're the Anderson Silva's. They're the ones who have the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: long reigns where everybody's just terrified of them. This motherfucker's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: just got this down. He's just ready. And there's a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: few guys that go on these long runs. John Jones
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: is the greatest example. His run is so long. It's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: crazy to be relevant at his age after being the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: youngest UFC champion ever at 22 years old to still
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: be considered the greatest heavyweight alive.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Is that still the youngest?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: And he's still considered the greatest heavyweight alive currently at 37.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Even though he relinquished his belt, he's like, eh, you
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: can keep it. I'm going to do whatever I want
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: I've been getting obsessed with the low kick championship. Have
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: you seen this?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, it's horrible. Bro. You like it?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: I think, well, I feel less bad watching that.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Have you ever been low kicked?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't bother you watching that?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Less than watching a power slap.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, this actually is probably just because of the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: relative like pain of seeing somebody stand there as you're
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: going to swing an open palm at their face. It's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: just a CTE factory.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: And then, yeah, for me, the low kick championship, because
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: at least it's iterative. It's never a one and done.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen any of the fights that have been
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: a one and done yet.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: No, I haven't either, which is so horrible. Yeah. I've
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: seen a lot of leg breaks though.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: In that low kick championship?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You haven't?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: No, I hate those.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Do you want to see some?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: No, thank you.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot. A lot. It's always the kicker.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe sometimes the kicky.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: There's no way that the person being, what, femur?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, people have broken their femurs in fights before. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I think that happened to Dennis Alexio versus Stan the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Man Longinidis. So, see, yeah. This guy's going to– don't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: do it, Jamie. Don't you fucking do it. There it goes. Jesus, Jamie.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: You son of a bitch. See if you can find
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Dennis Alexio versus Stan Longinidis kickboxing. So Stan, the man, Longinidis.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: He used to be actually trained by my old trainer, Shuki.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: My friend Shuki, he was from Majiro Gym. He's from Israel.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: went to Majuro Gym in Holland, fought out of there,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: trained out of there, and then came to Woodland Hills,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: and he was running the Majuro Gym in Woodland Hills.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: He was Stan Longinidis' trainer, and Shooky's like an elite kicker. Like,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: his kicks are insane. And he taught me a lot about, like,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: low kicks and, like, how to deliver, like, more effective and, like,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: how to set up low kicks. He's a great coach.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: So he was training with this guy. And Stan kicked
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: so hard that Shuki was holding pads for him, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: he wound up getting a hip replacement because this guy
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: was blasting his leg so hard while he was holding
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: the big shield that he wound up getting a hip replacement.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: That was one kick?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, watch this. So Stan the Man Longinus was an animal.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Big fucker too, man. Big fucker. So watch this kick
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: when he lands this kick. Right there, boom. He lands
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: that one low and he's hurt.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Boom, goes down.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: See his leg snapped? So that's one calf kick. So
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: it wasn't his femur, I'm sorry. It was his tibia.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Let's see it again. It's crazy. So he throws the kick.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And Longinidis was a fucking powerhouse, dude. Look at the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: power in that. Boom. And it's a check kick.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: So he's not even stood on it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: No, man. He checked it, and it just fucking cracked
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: it in half. I mean, that wasn't even planted. So
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: his leg was up in the air, and Longinidis kicked
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: so fucking hard, he snapped it. I thought it was
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: his femur. That's how long ago I've seen that fight.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: Is it compartment syndrome? Is that something that can happen
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: as well?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. That happened to Austin Hubbard.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: Can you explain what that is?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. So what happens is when you get a bunch
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: of different impacts to your legs, you've got all this
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: internal bleeding. You have massive contusions. Have you ever looked
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: at Austin Hubbard's leg? Find that. You want to get
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: grossed out? So he's one of the only guys that
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I know of that fought in the UFC that because
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: of compartment syndrome, he had to have an operation where
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: they opened up the side of his leg all the way.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: And you see the tissue inside of it, how badly
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: destroyed it was. Look at that. See that image that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: you just showed? That brown stuff on the bottom? That's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: actually his fucking tissue. That's the meat of his leg.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: That link isn't available. But that's it. You can see
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: it there. That's not tape or something. This is like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: the screen, little tiny one. When you click on that,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: it'll be the big picture. But that picture, you see
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: it where he's in the hospital with his thumb up
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: right there? That one. Go to that one. So you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: see the side of his leg? Look at the slice.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: All that black stuff, that's his muscle. So they've opened
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: up his skin tissue to allow the drains to get
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: in there and allow his leg to heal. Yeah, crazy.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: That's fucking horrible.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I don't like low kick championship anymore.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Well, Uriah Faber was one of the toughest people that's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: ever walked the face of the earth. He fought Jose
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Aldo and Jose Aldo destroyed his leg with the point
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: where like the whole thing was swollen like twice the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: size and purple. And that was when I first started
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: hearing about fighters using hyperbaric chambers for recovery. So Uriah
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: was really the first guy that I'd ever heard of
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: that was accelerating his recovery from Uriah is very smart,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: and he's always on top of, like, all the latest
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: training methods, and he runs Team Alpha Male in Sacramento.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: And so they were putting him in hyperbaric chambers. And
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, that's interesting. So then I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: started looking into it. I was like, oh, this is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: before anybody thought of it as, you know, an anti-aging protocol,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: before they did any of that stuff. He was, like,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: one of the first guys that I ever heard of
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: that was using it to recover from injuries.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: Michael Jackson was using one.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Was he? Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was Wacko Jacko's Coffin. And it was him
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: laid down in a hyperbaric chamber.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I wonder why he was doing it.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was into some pretty crazy health stuff
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: as well, I think.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he was into some non-healthy stuff. That's crazy.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Hee hee.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: He was into getting sedated.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: That's also true, which, you know, too much of that.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: In 86 he was doing it.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Wow, 86. That's crazy. crazy.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fuck you, Uriah Faber.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: It does help you.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: You were telling me that it's really helped you quite
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: a bit, huh?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the hyperbaric chamber is such an unbelievable tool. I mean,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: the reason that I think not many people talk about
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: it is it's so inaccessible. It's Michael Jackson's secret plan
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: to live forever.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Said it would make him live to at least 150.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: 50 vitamin pills a day.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: That was the plan, I guess.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: That was the plan.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: It's like a proto-Brian Johnson.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: He was just talking about hyperbaric.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: He says it's the number one intervention of everything that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: he's ever tried. But it's so expensive and time-consuming and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: kind of awkward that it doesn't make sense. I've been
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: looking at the Backyard Ultra races. Have you seen these
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: as well?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Backyard Ultra races? Yes.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: So- You run a four-mile loop every hour.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: In your backyard? No.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess so. People do it on ranches.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: There's one here at Bear Performance. There's a bunch of others.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: Every hour, on the hour, you have to run four miles.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: You go until only one person's left.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck that.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: So it was made by the guy who created one
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: of the most famous orienteering runs. And what he didn't like,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: it's a super, super difficult run. Uh, they included tearing
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: pages out of books to ensure that you'd been to
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: the right place. And sometimes the map didn't work. Lots
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: of people didn't finish this race, but sometimes they did.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: And he wanted to create a race that nobody would win.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: The only winner would ever be the race, right? Because
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: eventually when you're the final person, when number two is dropped,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: you don't keep going, you give up. So this guy
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: called Mark Dowdle just won. It's called last soul standing.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: And he just did a 96 hour race. 96 hours,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: four miles every single hour, 395 miles over basically five days.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: He's just completed that. And the guy that currently holds
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: the record, this dude called Phil Gore, he owns that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: he's got the record at 119 laps. So for every lap,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: it's one hour. He's going to do in three days time,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: he's going to try and do seven days straight, 168
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: hours without stopping. 168 hours, four miles every hour.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Jamie, we have to edit this out of the podcast
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: so Cam Haynes doesn't hear about it. I don't want
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: him to die.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: I think he's had a crack at it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Has he had a crack at that?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: I think he's done some of them. I know that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Truett's been associated with Nick Bear at Bear Performance, and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: they do a lot of those as well.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Dude, that sounds like someone's going to die.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, what's fascinating is you have this one-hour block
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: And you have to have completed the lap by the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: time that the next hour begins. But you can either
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: go quickly and get maybe 15 minutes or so of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit of rest. Maybe you can have a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: tiny little sleep or get.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Some food in. Or you just keep going the whole time.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: Or you can move a little bit more slowly and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: just come into land before and then basically just keep going.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: So the pacing, the nutrition, the sleep.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: But, yeah. And as soon as you can't make the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: four miles in.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: An hour, you're done.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: Within an hour, game over.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the video. Wasn't he trolling the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: guy at the end?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: He was going slow, and he just sort of kneeled
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: down behind him and waited for him to go. And
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: as soon as he went, he was like, I'm right
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: behind you. I'm going to be right behind you the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: whole time. I'm not going anywhere.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get him to quit.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: It's all mental games, I think, in that last little bit.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: That distance running stuff is fucking gnarly. It's so cool.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: It is crazy. But it's interesting how they can maintain
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: that pace for such a long time. Like, the pace
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: is not bad. They're not walking. They're running.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little shuffle.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: It is, but so it makes me wonder, you know,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: and like in terms of MMA, there's guys today that
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: their cardio is so insane that they've completely raised the bar.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Marab Dwavishwili is the best example. His cardio is so insane.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: He's completely raised the bar for what we thought was
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: possible in a five round fight. I mean, this guy
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: just has this fucking insane work ethic. and he's always
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: in the gym, and he's always training, and his cardio
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: is just so elite because it's just built upon layers
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: upon layers upon layers. And it makes me wonder. We
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: have this idea in our head that a person can
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: only go so hard for five rounds because you can't recover.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. I have a feeling
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: that much like these marathon runners and ultras and all
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: these people that are doing triathlons and Ironman, That you
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: can build up your endurance over time if you keep
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: pushing and keep pushing. As long as your body doesn't break.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: And this is the real problem with MMA. Your body
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: can break. Because you're wrestling and getting kicked and punched.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: But if you can build it, I think it's like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: everything else. It's layers upon layers. If you've never let
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: off the gas... And you keep going, your body will adapt.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Your body will adapt. Your body will adapt. And eventually
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: we get to a point where you could kind of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: go like 80, 90% for five rounds.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: Which would be fucking terrifying.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Which is fucking terrifying. And Murab is kind of almost there.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: How old is he?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: He's older now.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking because.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: The problem- I think he's 36.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: In order to get that baseline of cardio, I think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: it's going to take such a long time to accumulate it.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: And the problem is- that you're gonna lose some of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: the explosiveness, you're gonna accumulate some injuries. So if you
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: got rid of the fighting bit and just did backyard
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: ultra or something similar, then you've got maybe 42, 45,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: maybe even someone who's 50 might have not done the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: damage of the impact 35.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: 35.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: 35 years old. He'll be 36 in January.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: And you think he's got the biggest gas tank?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: The best. It's insane. His gas tank is extraordinary. He
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: wilts people. You see it. It's just like it's insane.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: He never stops. He never stops coming at you. And
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: it's like he doesn't wane. Like everybody wanes. Everybody slows
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: down the third. You know, he's nice. It's like a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: pit bull, man. It's crazy. And it's just hard work. Famously,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier went to visit him on the Sunday after
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: he won the world title, and he went to his house,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: and he was out running. He just won the world title,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: and he's out running. He just never gets off the gas.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Did you see this guy? Yeah, he broke the record
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: for the mile. Yes, I did.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 27-year-old record, I think. He beat it by half
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: a second.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another guy using altitude training. He lives at altitude.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: It's 16.2 miles an hour average for four minutes.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: That's so fast.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: How fast is the record now?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: He had it at 342. That is so fast.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: That guy behind him is like, fuck! Fuck!
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Good British man.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Look at him go, man. He looks so strong, too. Like,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: he doesn't look like he's fading at all. That's so impressive.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: It's cool that they had the chaser light behind him.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: As well, to know where he needs to.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Bro, he is just separating himself from that dude in
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: second place.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I only get by half a second, too.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: You just did it.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the sickest thing.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: But it took so long for the four-minute mile, right?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: That was the whole movie.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And then if someone breaks it.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: What was it previously?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: 343.1 or. 2. That is crazy.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Half a second, dude. That's crazy.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: It's such a miserable distance as well. I don't want
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: to do that. I don't want to run a mile
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: flat out.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I know. I mean, he was kind of flat out
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: for a whole mile. But so the guy that I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: was working with today with the hypoxia trainer, he was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: telling me about this guy, that this guy, his whole
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: thing is like training at altitude and sleeping at altitude
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: and that it's legal as cheating. If you can live
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: at altitude and you're doing something that requires endurance and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: And we were talking about it. I was like, if
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I was going to give advice to a fighter or
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: if I was going to set up a fight camp,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: if I was going to bankroll some big-time trainer to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: set up a fight camp, 100%, I'd put it at
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: the top of a mountain.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to sleep there. Everyone's going to live there.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: Are the Dagestani guys, are they outside?
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man. Of course. They're in the mountains. They're
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: mountain people, man.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Little mountain goats at the top of this thing.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Savages.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is strange. I mean, looking at... Lance Armstrong
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: and what he was doing, he was basically reverse engineering that,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: but just through pharmacology and blood doping and, okay, well,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: we can work around that.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing that, but he was also, he
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: was doing a lot of altitude work too, but he
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: was also doing what everybody else was doing. This idea
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: that Lance Armstrong was this big cheater. If you took
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: away everyone in the podiums that hadn't been busted, if
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: you took away anyone that got caught with any substances,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I think you would get down to 18th place. I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: think that's what they said. It was a dirty sport.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Completely dirty sport. So he was the best at the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: dirty sport. So, sorry.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: I played within the rules. They weren't the rules that
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: were set down by the federation, but they were the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: rules that everybody else was playing by.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they got him, and he was guilty,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: and he did lie about whether or not he did that.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: They all lied. They were all doping. They were all
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: doing a bunch of shit.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: You know what I think about? I think about the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: fact that lots of pursuits that people go into aren't
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: tested federations. Business. Business isn't a tested federation. If you
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: want to take armadafinil and work 19 hours a day,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: you can do that. No one's going to come and
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: stop you. No one's going to say, hey, this share price,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: that's unfair that you got that share price because you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: were enhanced. You were using Adderall or you were using
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: too much caffeine or parazanthine or you were on the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: new tonic, whatever.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: No, that's not a tested federation.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: But it's as important, maybe even more important to a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: lot of people. It's more people. participating in business than
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: participating in professional sports.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Especially things like Adderall. They're like, you have energy
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: all day. You can work 16, 17 hours a day.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: Have you ever used it? I've never tried it.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: No. Scared of it. Scared.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: That being said, Victoria.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: That was awesome though.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's fun. Jamie, get us some Adderall. Let's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: fuck it.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: When you talked to Hunter Biden, did you guys talk
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: about crack?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: All the time.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: So I told you that I was going to do that,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: and then we didn't do that, and you did it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't take the idea, I promise. I told it to.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: You, though. You already had it booked in advance, but
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: you didn't tell me you had it booked when I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: told you that we were going to do it.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: Should I have told you? It doesn't matter.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Some of the guys got upset. Like, he took our idea.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: We were going to do a Protect Our Parks with
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, but then Ari, because we thought Ari couldn't
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: make it, we wanted to do another Protect Our Parks.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: And Ari was in London. He's moved to London. Yeah.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: And he was like, I'll fly back for that. And
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: we were like, all right, fuck Hunter Biden. And so
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: we didn't.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: It's just as well I got him. We've had no fun. Yeah,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: he talked a lot about crack. Dude, I got to say,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: he's so likable. it's terrifying how likable he is.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, he grew up with a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: politician and he's a smart guy. Maybe, maybe.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was trying to find the, was the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: manipulative game that's being played here or whatever.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that he took a long time out of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: the public eye, many, many years. And then he sort
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: of reemerged. And some people are very upset. Some people
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: are very upset that like these conservatives are platforming him. Like,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: you know, they're criticizing that, but, But you don't want
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: to hear about what his story's like? I mean, this guy's, obviously,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: he lived a wild life.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting? I wanted to ask him the question.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: What was it like to be the most Googled drug
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: addict in history? Probably. And it's fucking wild. What does
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: it feel like to have that much pressure on you?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: But regardless, forget who his dad is. Forget that it's U.S. politics.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Forget that it's the future of the country. Like, there
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: is a person in there. And there is a person
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: under a level of scrutiny that has... maybe never been
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: seen before. Like you wake up one day and he
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: told us the story of what it was like to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: just have the laptop. It just, this story bursts. And
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: it is everything. It's the future of the country. It's
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: the future of your dad's legacy. It's your life. It's
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: your family's life. He's two years into sobriety at the time,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: I think. The temptation to come back.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Is the laptop real? Or is it really they hacked
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: into his cloud and then they put it on a laptop?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Because I've heard him say that, that there's way too
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: much data for it to have ever been on a laptop.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: It's 20 years. It was two decades. It was everything,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: every text message, every photo, every, every, every, every.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So he– You get in through the laptop.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: What is his– but is it actually in the laptop
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: or did someone put it in the laptop? I think–
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything incorrect here. So let's
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: just make sure that I'm correct or let's just find
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: out what the truth is. Is his position that they
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: hacked into his cloud and that's how they got all
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: those videos of him smoking crack and going 170 miles
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: an hour and getting foot jobs and all that stuff?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: That all was in the cloud. That wasn't on a
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: laptop that he just handed to a repair store. That
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: that's a bullshit narrative. to cover for the fact that
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: they hacked into his cloud and got all of his
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: photos and videos.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: He didn't give us the specifics on that one. What
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I do think would have happened is maybe you get
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: into the cloud through the laptop. If you've got access
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: to that, if you open up the laptop because you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: need to have the logins, then you can just get
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: into someone's iCloud through that.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: But you still have to log in. Once you get
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: the laptop, you have to have the passwords.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, dude.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would assume he's got some passwords. He
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: did not definitively claim the Delaware laptop was hacked or
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: stolen in a 2021 CBS interview. This is a long
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: time ago. He said he did not know whether or
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: not his and floated. It was his and floated several possibilities,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: including that a laptop was stolen from me, that he
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: was hacked or that Russian intelligence was involved. OK, he's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: doing the Russia, Russia, Russia shit back then. That was 2021.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: You could get away with that.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: You could get away with anything.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: This is also while Joe Biden was the president of
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: the United States, right? So there could be a laptop
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: out there that was stolen from me. Okay, this is
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: not a good timeline.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: We've got new shit.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the timeline in the more recent interviews, I believe
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: his position was that the amount of data wouldn't even
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: have fit on a laptop, and that it's bullshit, and
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: they're calling it the laptop, but a lot of it
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: is just his personal experience information that he had somewhere
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: that was hacked. So then the narrative is not that
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: this guy was so cracked out that he had a
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: laptop filled with him getting his dick sucked.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: I had to push it for more clarification.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. In August 2026, interview with Tucker Carlson, Biden reportedly said, hey, reportedly,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: you're perplexity. Come on. You're supposed to tell. Didn't you listen?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Didn't you watch perplexity? In August 2026 interview, Biden reportedly
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: said they hacked my cloud. He denied the full collection
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: described as his laptop could all have originated from one device,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: saying it was way too large. He suggested an unknown actor,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: potentially an intelligence service or another person, could have taken
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: digital material and combined it with the purported laptop narrative.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: So that's possible. In a July 2026 Substack launch, he
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: wrote that the Providence was never established, that no court
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: forensics examiner had certified a chain of custody sufficient to
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: make evidence rather than theater. He did acknowledge that material
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: associated with reflected his addiction struggles. See, there could be
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of things going on. One could be that
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: he was cracked out and he left the laptop and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: he doesn't remember being cracked out and leaving the laptop.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: But the idea that there's too much data that it
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have fit on a laptop. The problem with that
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: is there's two terabyte hard drives on laptops now.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of data.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: What was a... Well, this is 2020, right?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Here's the one thing, too, I find very interesting about it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: It's on the screen. The guy who... Ran the shop
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: that the laptop was supposedly dropped off at.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: Because he's legally blind.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Could not confirm who the customer was because he's legally blind.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, how convenient. How convenient. He probably never went to
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: that place. It's probably a total fake story. And they
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: made up a fake story. Maybe they even stole a
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: laptop of his.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing that I was most fascinated by was
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: he was two years sober when that happened. Now seven.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: Allegedly. Although he is tested, I think, supposedly.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: By who? His dad? Yeah, maybe. Oh, you look great, son.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Clean it up.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: He told me that he packs his bags with a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: witness when he packs his carry-ons and stuff. There's a
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: witness there, too.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Whoa. So he doesn't get fucking, oh, wow.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: In case someone snuck something into his bag. Who's going
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: to believe him? Who's going to believe?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Imagine living like that.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: The amount of scrutiny. That was what I was most
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: fascinated by. I was thinking, what is it like to
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: have the entire world bearing down on you? Not only
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: the world, the country, the future of politics, your dad,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: your dad's legacy. Are you going to get a pardon?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: Who even fucking knows? Who cares? Probably not. Like, oh
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: my God.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: And then there's the reality.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Don't go back to drugs. Don't use your drugs again.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: This is how you would have fixed it. This is
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: how you would have done it in the past. Two
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: years sober.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh my God. Two years sober is so gentle too.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: So dangerous.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: You're not even out of the woods.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: And when you think about that whole story, how that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: blew up right before the election, it could have really
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: been an intelligence plot to try to sink Joe Biden.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: And they countered it. And the way they countered it
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: was by blocking the story from Twitter, a factual story
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: from the New York Post. Giuliani apparently held the information
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: for months and released it less than three weeks before
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: the election. Giuliani has long been involved in efforts by
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: the president and his allies to highlight Hunter Biden's work
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: overseas to damage Joe Biden and boost Mr. Trump's reelection campaign.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: And in 2019, and in 2019, met with a Ukrainian
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: lawmaker who had been deemed an active Russian agent by
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: the U.S. government. What is it?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: The October surprise. That's what they call it.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: So each year there's been something that the losing side
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: has pointed to as the justification for why it happened. Russiagate,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Biden laptop suppression. And then in the most recent one,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: it was podcasts. That was, well, this is what had
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: it not have been for the sway that occurred due
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: to this run that was done on podcasts. That's what
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: moved the election.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. The real problem with that narrative was I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: don't know anybody who wasn't willing to talk to Kamala Harris.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: I was willing to.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: Everyone reached out to her.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: I tried to talk to her a bunch of times.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: And they tried to pretend that I made it difficult.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: It's a fucking complete horseshit lie. They also lied and
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: they said they came down here and checked out the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: studio and did a run of the place. They did not.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: They did not do that. They did not. Trump's people did,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: and I've said that. If you want to say that
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: they knew that someone did it, but I don't know
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: how much they're communicating with each other. Trump's Secret Service
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: people came down and they scanned the whole place. They
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: went through the whole place before he came in. But
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: she's alleging that her people did a run of the studio.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: They did not. No representatives from her organization were ever here.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: And that it would be insufficiently secure or something?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: No, I mean they said that we were making it difficult.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I was making it as easy as possible. And the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: one day that she offered to do it, I was
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: already booked with him. And I even said I would
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: No fucking way.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: And I said I would do it, but it would
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: have to be, she had a gig in Houston. She
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: was doing like a speech in Houston. I think that
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: was one of the ones where like Beyonce came out
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: and everybody thought she was going to sing and she didn't.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: Everyone got mad.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone got mad. So she was somewhere else in Texas.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: And I said, listen, when she's done with that, I'll
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: do a podcast at midnight. Come on in. I'll go
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: whenever you want to do it. I'll do it the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: next day. I'll do it that night.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: That would have been one of the wildest 24 hours
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: of your life.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: I was down to do that. And I was going
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: to release them both at the exact same time.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: Unreal.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: That was the idea. But she wasn't willing to do it.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: They even gave me a bunch of things. This is
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: also that they didn't tell the truth about. There was
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: a bunch of things that they said she didn't want
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about. And I said, fine. She didn't want
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: to talk about her record for prosecuting marijuana possession in
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: California and then for using those people that were supposed
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: to get released past the date that they were released
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: to fight wildfires. She didn't want to talk about that. Fine.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: And then there was one other one. I forget what
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: the other one was about that they didn't want to
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: talk about. And then they came back and said they
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: did want to talk about marijuana legalization. Oh, immigration. They
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: were not so keen on talking about immigration. Maybe it
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't immigration. Was it immigration, Jamie?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Do you remember?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what the other one was, but I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: was like, fine, I'll ask her about cooking. I don't
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: give a fuck. Like, let's talk. Like, I just want
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: to sit down across and find out who you are.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I'll ask
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: you if you believe in Jesus. We'll figure it out.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Do you believe in UFOs? Like, what do you think? Well,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: you could release the files. Like, I'll find out who
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: you are. Let's go. You know, maybe I like you.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe no one's had a chance to see you for
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: this way. Maybe you can Laughering joke around and be
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: like a real person instead of like being a person
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: with sound bites because you can relax because you know
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: There's no time constraint who fucking knows but we didn't
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: get to find out so to say that you're blaming
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Podcasts on her not getting elected. How about the fact
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: you spent 1.4 billion fucking dollars and you put someone
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: in without a primary and you blew all this money
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: and it and you still lost and Like, you guys
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: fucked it up. You fucked it up. You had all
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: this momentum. When she had that one speech, it's like,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: say it to my face. They were like, yeah. Like,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: they had it. If she never did another fucking speech
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: and never did a podcast, never did anything, and only
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: did pre-prepared, like, monologues like that.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: Game over.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Game over. Game over. Game over. She's younger. She's got
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: more energy. She's like a new, fresh thing. Let's go.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: How much do you think that run of podcasts for
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: Trump did move the needle? Have you got any idea?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: It did a lot. I think it did. I think
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: the one with Theo Vaughn, I think, moved the needle first.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: And then the one with me, I think you got
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: to see him fuck around a little and relax and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: talk about things. And you got to see a human
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: being instead of like a cartoon.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: But you only got to see one side of the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: election do that. You didn't get to see– Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: That could have happened with her too. Like I'm not
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: a hard interview, man. I'm not– I don't want to
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: get in arguments with people. I'd like to get in
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: discussions with people. I'm not into being insulting. I'm not
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: into being shitty. I'm not into doing that. I just
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk. Like if you want to run the president,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: you want to be the commander-in-chief of the greatest army
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: the world has ever known. Like let's– Have a conversation.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's that hard to do. And if
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: you can't do that, like, well, what are you hiding?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Who are you? I think it was a lot of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: her people that didn't want her to do it. First
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: of all, there was a lot of people that are, like,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: super woke and just didn't want her in any way
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: to be associated with me. And then there was a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: lot of people that were really worried that she was
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: going to say something that fucked it up or that
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: we were going to get into something that she can't defend,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, because there was a lot of things that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: really did, like, make people go, what? Like when she
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: said she wouldn't have done anything different than Joe Biden
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: when she was on The View. I don't think I'd
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: do anything different. Everybody's like, oh, great. This is nuts.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: We're trying to vote for you. Fucking lie to me.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: There was definitely that. And then there was some crazy
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: stuff she said, too. when she was vice president and
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: saying like, how dare we say Merry Christmas? Like you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: get those clips and you go, wait, who are you?
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Who are you? Do you believe that? Do you really
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: believe how dare we say Merry Christmas? Or is this
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: like a crazy thing that you went through that day?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: Well, it's wild to think I'm worried about being too
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: bombastic when the person I'm going up against is Donald Trump.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Well, some people, they fuck up a few things and
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: then they're terrified they're going to fuck up. So every
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: time they do an interview, they're like, I don't want
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: to fuck this up. I don't want to fuck this up.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: And that's when the staff gets involved. They wanted one
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: staff in the room. I'm like, fuck no. No, you
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: can't have staff in the room. Fuck out of here.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Fuck out of here. They also want to know if
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: it's edited. Like we edit things like this. No. People
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: have to find out who the fuck you really are.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: But that feels scary because there's no get out of
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: jail free.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be scary. You want to be the president.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: You want to be the president. It's the scariest thing
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You got to deal with potential nuclear war, okay?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: I think you can sit down for a conversation. It's
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: not even me. Even if it's not me, sit down
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of other people. But sit down with
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: people that are going to ask you real questions, really
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: talk to you. You know, like I don't know what
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: happened on the Call Her Daddy podcast, but I think
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: it was very short. And I don't think they got
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: into anything deep. Like you got to ask like the
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: immigration thing was nuts. You have to ask like what
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: are you doing? Like why do you guys have an
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: open border? Why are you just letting all these unvetted
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: people from third world crime infested poor countries, desperate people,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: desperate that want to walk to America? Do you know
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: how crazy that is? And we're just letting them all
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: in without knowing how many of them are just trying
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: to make a better life and how many of them
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: are drug cartel and how many of them are terrorists
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: and how many... The fuck are you doing?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: What are we doing? What's happened with the status of
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: immigration now? I know that They put the brakes on it.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: They stopped like an enormous number of people crossing the border,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: like an enormous number. I think it's down like– what
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: is it down? Like how many– what is the percentage
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: of illegal border crossings down since Trump has been in office?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: They could have done it the entire time, man. They
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: wanted that border open. They wanted those people coming in.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: They wanted to flood the census. They wanted to flood
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: those swing states. They wanted to get people that are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: here and give them citizenship. They wanted to get them
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: on Medicaid. They want to get them on health care.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: They want to give them free cell phones. They wanted
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: to make those people voters. And they wanted to try
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: to just make it like it's California, like the whole
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: country is California. Like you can never leave. You can
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: never escape. It's one party runs it forever and they
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: run it terribly. And it gets more and more terrible
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: and they need more and more money to make it
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: more and more terrible.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: That's not a great case. Fuck me. Well, I just.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not the case now, but this is not
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: great either. Okay. January 2025, Border Patrol recorded 29,000. In
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: the first full month of the administration, February, that fell
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: to 8,000, about a 71% month-to-month decline. So... All told,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: what's the percentage of decline... What's the percentage of decline
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: based on 2026 versus 2023? Let's find that out. Oh,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: 2025 versus 2023. Data. Okay, let's see what they say.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: What percentage is it down? 88%.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: 1.8 million.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: It's down 88%. You know how crazy that is? That's crazy.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: So they were letting millions of people in, and we
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: didn't know who they are. And, you know, the idea is, like,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: if you want to be a kind, compassionate person, and
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: immigrants deserve what you have, and okay. But we have
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: to know they're not murderers, folks. Okay, we can't just–
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: have you ever been to, like, the worst places of
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: the third world? Probably not. If you did– You wouldn't
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: want those people just like roaming around your neighborhood when
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: you have to leave your garage and go to work.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't want that because they're just like, oh, the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: guy's not here. I'll break into his house.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: How much of this is a luxury belief that the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: people that are espousing the things that they're supporting aren't
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: the ones that are going to be impacted by it?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: It's the same as I told you this last time
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: I was on. There was a house near where I
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: live in Austin that had a defund the police sign.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: in the front yard and a private security sticker on
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: the front window.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: That's cute. People are cute. Well, there's a lot of that.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of white people. White people are a
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: real problem.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: Well, that's this.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Privileged white people.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: It started dropping in 2024 because of a Biden asylum
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: change or something.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure it did. Listen, they probably tried to put
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the brakes on it a little bit when they were
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: losing the election. You know, when they were getting the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: polls in, they were like, oh, my God, this is
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: getting tight. Yeah, for sure. Otherwise, they would have done
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: it in 2023. They're doing it because of a political reason.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: They probably would have opened it right back up if
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Kamala won. Like, wee. You know, no one's illegal on
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: stolen land. Come on in.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Victoria's Secret is up 300% year on year. The
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: share price because of Ozempic. I found this out yesterday. What?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: 300% increase.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Because of Ozempic? So what the proposed reason for this
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: is that millions of women have lost so much weight
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: that their bras have stopped fitting. And because they're smaller,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: they're now going and getting more seductive underwear. 300% increase
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: year on year.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Hot little stick figures.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: That's what's happening, dude. Ozempic's a fucking hell of a drug.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Here's another thing I found out, that women are getting
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: bridal dresses fitted. but they're having to predict whether weight
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: is going to come into land. So some women are
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: losing up to 50 pounds. They're losing so much weight
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: between ordering the dress and the wedding that these bridal
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: stores are having to get them to sign waivers in
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: case they don't make weight like a fighter. Like if
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: you don't make weight for your bridal dress, you go, well,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: we can't give you another one. You've said that you're
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: going to lose 50 pounds using GLPs over the next
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: nine months or 12 months or 18 months or whatever.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: And because they're scared that they're going to end up
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: getting these refunds, they're having to sign waivers.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I think the.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: future implications of ozempic on economy consumption like think about
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: what most of consumerism is it's not stuff that people
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: need it's like things that people want it's like a
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: craving it's impulsivity it's repeated purchase right and that's exactly
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: what glps act on they're not just suppressing appetite they're
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: suppressing craving in a lot of different ways and it's
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: like what What happens to a capitalist system when you suppress,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: pharmacologically suppress craving? I want this thing. Well, maybe you don't.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: Not in quite the same way because it seems to
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: work on weed. It seems to work on video games.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: It seems to work on a ton of different behavioral.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: People don't like wine as much. Okay, so it's not
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: just calories. It's more than that. It's consumerism as well.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: And I think what happens when you intervene pharmacologically in
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: people's desire to crave is just.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: That is the other side. So AI on one side
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: and fucking GLPs on the other.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Well, they say that some people have different reactions to GLP-1s, right?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: And some people have a lack of desire for relationships,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: which is really creepy. Like what is it about– is
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: it taking away pleasure? Is it taking away excitement? Like
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: what is it taking away? Like what stimulation that you're
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: getting by overeating– What is it dulling in the process
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: that also stops drug addictions? Like it's helping people that
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: have addictions and it's also helping people that are, you know,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: that have like impulsive behavior apparently. I think that's true.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: But the weird one is the side effects of like relationships.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's craving again. Maybe it's the same thing. I
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: looked at the study that came out on X and
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: people were talking about it. There was some criticism around
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: whether or not that particular pathway in the brain works
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: the way that it would. But if you're suppressing craving overall,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: that wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: If you're making people just want less.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Right. I don't want that at all. Bill Maher was
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: arguing with Scott Galloway on Real Time about that. Galloway
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: was big on GLP-1s. There's benefits. I think also the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: thing is dosage. This is an issue, and this is
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: an issue that's been brought up by– Compound pharmacies, that
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: there's certain people that don't need a big-ass dose that
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: you're going to get. Like depending upon your body weight,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: depending upon your size, you know, like a 500-pound man
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: probably needs a different dose than a 135-pound, 5-foot-tall woman.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: Is that not being suggested?
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: It's not being advised?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I think people are starting to do it through their
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: various healthcare providers and various doctors who have experience with
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: these things. that are giving people like smaller doses and less.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: And then there's the Rituitide stuff. Am I saying that right?
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: Retitutide.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Retitutide. That one is a weird one because that one
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: allows you to keep muscle mass. And that's the big
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: fear that people have is that you're starving yourself, but
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: you're also losing bone mass and muscle mass.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: That's because people who don't have good fitness habits are
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: reducing an already suboptimal diet. They're not eating well, and
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: now they're eating less of not well. They're still not training,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: which means what happens, because I think about 90% of
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: people that go on GLPs and then come off them
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: gain the weight back.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: You don't change your behavior.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: You don't change your behavior, but you lose muscle on
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: the way down and gain fat on the way back up.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: So if you end up back at the same weight
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: that you were previously, your compositions were worse. And that's
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: really concerning because you're basically locked in to use them
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: for the rest of time if that's the case, if
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: you can't use something else to fix it.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: I know that they were using different things. Like they
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: were using IGF-1 along with GLP-1s to mitigate the bone
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: density and muscle tissue loss. But the reality of having
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: less calories coming in than coming out is your body
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: is going to eat itself. I mean that's what's happening.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: Which is why you need to do resistance training.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. You have to lift heavy weights.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Not heavy, but you have to lift something. So you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: develop bone density. And this is a giant problem with
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: older people that have never lifted anything. Their body composition
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: is just, they might look normal, but they're made out
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: of dough. You can just punch right through them. And
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: if they fall down, they're going to get hurt, man.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: That's not. When people get older, one of the main
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: ways that people die is falling.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: What happens? They hit their heads.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: They hit their heads. They slip in the shower. They
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: slip in the bathtub. They hit their heads. They break
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: a hip. When you break a hip, man, the odds
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: of you living more than 10 years reduce drastically. A
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: lot of it is also because at the time that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: you're breaking a hip, you're probably- Old already. Yeah, old already.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: But there's like real data that show that once people
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: have fallen and broken a hip, like that's a catastrophic
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: injury that you got to think of all the resources
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: that your body has to use and employ in order
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: to heal that. And then there's the compromise in movement
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: that you're going to have for a long time.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: You're not going to be able to walk.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: You're going to need assistance.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: You're not going to have the same vitality. You're going
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: to be recovering. You're going to be exhausted. People with
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Alzheimer's disease are substantially higher risk of falling. Wow. Falls
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: can be fatal, especially if they can cause a hip fracture,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: head injury, or complications from hospitalizations or immobility. Research indicated
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: that 60% to 80% of older adults with Alzheimer's experience
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: a fall more than twice the rate in cognitively normal people.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: Peers there was a late there's a news story that
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: came out recently jamie about a woman who survived for
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: eight days in a bathtub after she fell sure oh
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: my god insane so had had a tumble and wasn't
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: found i don't know what the fuck she was doing
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: in order to be able to stay alive i guess
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: if you're in a bathtub you've got some water.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah but Peeing in the tub and drinking the water.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: And hoping for the best.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: 32 years old.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Nine days, actually, it says.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: She drank water. She managed to splash up onto her
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: face by turning the faucet on with her foot.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: Nine days in a fucking bathtub.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: How did she not die of hypothermia?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: I guess you could heat yourself up. Just got to
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: run the water.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: Is she that good at turning the knobs of her feet?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: She could scald herself to death. What the fuck, man?
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: Mountain home, rural mountain, North Carolina.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That poor lady. Let's get her on
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: the podcast. And she survived? Get her on the podcast, Jamie,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: before Chris does. Poor lady. We probably have to go
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: to her.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Probably have to go to the Appalachians.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: That is insane.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: Fuck, man. There's people that get through some shit.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the studies of how long people
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: have stayed awake for. That gets really fucking gnarly because
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: people go into psychosis. That Lindsay Clancy case thing that's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: going crazy at the moment, a lot of that is
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: because of supposedly sleep deprivation on a lot of antipsychotics,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. But you don't need to keep
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: people awake for that long to turn them insane. If
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: you're awake for a couple of days, I think all
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: fucking hell breaks loose, which is why those backyard ultras
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: just seem so deranged. How are you even able to
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: apply effort to what it is? How are you able
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: to make decisions about whether you need food or sleep
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: or rest or to go harder.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: Or to give up? They all have hallucinations. They all
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: see things that aren't there. Like Courtney DeWalter, she won
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: the Bigfoot. Is that what she won when she came on?
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: She beat the second place dude by 10 hours or
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: something crazy. Imagine you come in second place. And you're
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: second place by 10 hours? Yes.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe half a day.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: The race is three days long? Three days of hell?
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: Well, the crazy thing about endurance is that as you
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: get longer and longer, the difference between the sexes starts
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: to even out. And I think in water, it evens
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: out even quicker because women are more buoyant. Over distance,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: women are better swimmers.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: Makes sense. I sink like a rock.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: Well, you don't have to build for swimming.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at it.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: No, you don't have to build. I recently learned about,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: just come to my mind, Rory McDonald's walkout music, this
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: story where he changed his number.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: And hadn't updated the UFC. It's such a great story.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: I only found this out.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: Were you there at any of those events when he
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: was walking? I think he came out to like M. Hammer.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: And people asked him, apparently he got rumbled because he
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: wanted Nickelback. And they asked him afterwards, they were like, sorry,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: we couldn't get you Nickelback. And he said, I didn't
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: ask for fucking Nickelback. Then we worked it out and
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: it was just some guy that was a fan that
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: was deciding to submit songs on Rory McDonald's behalf.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: The guy got Rory's old number and Rory never bothered
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: telling the UFC. And this guy knew who Rory was
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: and he was just so jazzed up that he could
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: pick Rory's walking music. And the guy had a good
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: sense of humor, so he'd pick some whack songs.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: DMC, MC Hammer, DMX, sorry, MC Hammer.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: Well, DMX is great. MC Hammer's great. I mean, some
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: people love those songs.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: I think Nickelback's got legs as well.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Bro, Nickelback's has some good songs. It's just they're formulaic,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: and people don't like formulaic songs. There's something about them
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: that people think is too much of a formulaic song. But, like,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: how come you like the Cypress Hill rock star song,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: but you don't like... the rock star song. It's like
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: the same song. The Nickelback song and Cypress Hill are
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: the same song. It's the same song.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: It's the same song.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: It's the same song. It's the same premise. It's about
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: being a rock star. All the crazy shit that you're
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: going to do. I want to be a rock star
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: and I want all this cool shit. Look, the Cypress
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Hill is a better song. I'm a big Cypress Hill fan.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: If I'm getting to choose.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: It also starts off with Chino talking. Like, there's not
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: many songs that have Chino Moreno from the Deftones.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: That's true. Speaking. That's true. He's laying out what you
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: need to do to be a rock star, that there's
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: a lot. But, like, okay, we can't play this for
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: everybody else, but just for you and me. Which one?
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: We'll start off with Nickelback. Start off with Nickelback. Nickelback
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: rock star.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: So fucking happy about this. There's a conspiracy theory that
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: Nickelback got taken down to demoralize America after 9-11.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. I think they're Canadian.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: Well, it was American thrust forward into the world, that
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: kind of freedom rock.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: They were always a punchline.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: Allow me to get you down the rabbit hole.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: The Limp Bizkit Woodstock one is a fun one. Hold on.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: It's trying to load.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: So we'll listen to the Nickelback Rockstar song first. Here
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: we go. Go to Cypress Hill. It's the same song.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: It's the same song.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: Disrespectful.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: No, I love Cypress Hill. Bro, B-roll is my boy.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: I love that dude. They're the shit. I fucking love
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: these guys.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: I forgot how hot that song was.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: It's a way better song. It's a way better song.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you're one of the dopest covers ever. Rage
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: Against the Machine covered Pistol Grip Pump. Have you ever
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: heard that? Okay, while we're doing this, since nobody can
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: listen to this either, just throw up this. This is
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite Cypress Hill covers, where Rage Against
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: the Machine covered Cypress Hill. It's fucking fantastic. It's fucking fantastic.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: It's better than the original. That goes hard.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: I'd never heard that.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: That goes hard.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: That's so fucking good.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: That's one of the dopest covers ever.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: There is a, what are we, Jamie's going to compete
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: It's like they had an assignment. It's like Cypress Hill
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: and Nickelback had an assignment. I want you to write
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: a song about how dope it is to be a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: rock star. You want to be a rock star? You
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: want all this cool shit, right? But Cypress Hill took
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: it from the position of like, oh, you're going to suffer. Oh,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: you're going to lose. You want this. You don't know
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: how hard it is. And Nickelback is like, hey, hey,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: I want to be a rock star. It's fluffy. It's
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: a little fluffy.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's kind of like an assignment.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: It is interesting trying to warm people off of, something
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: that everybody thinks they want. There's this study that was
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 4: done on when people enter airplanes and they walk through
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: business class, economy walks through a business class, there's an
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: eight times increase in passenger rage incidents. So it's a
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: reminder of your place in the status hierarchy. And I
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: think it becomes very difficult when trying to warn people off,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: like the rich person telling you that money won't fix
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: your problems. Or the famous person telling you that status
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: isn't going to change your self-worth. Or the beautiful person
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 4: telling you that looks aren't going to actually make you
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: feel more valuable in the world. A lot of the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: time when people hear that, it sounds like a luxury belief.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: It sounds like someone trying to pulling the ladder up
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: after they've managed to achieve it. And that's why, I
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: don't know, the rock star that reminds you why it's
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: so cool and this is what you could get. Rolling
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: Stone ranked Rockstar at number 100 in their list of
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: the 100 best songs of 2007.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: But BuzzFeed listed it as number two as one of
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: the 30 worst songs ever written.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: Is it really, though? I think they're unjustly criticized, Nickelback.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: They're not that bad.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: They're coming back around now.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: Nostalgia is bringing them back for sure.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: They're not that bad.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: Do you know why people had an issue with them
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: back in the day?
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: Well, so this was happening when I was in audio school,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: so that was like when YouTube started, you know? Napster
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: was very big, and people were discovering them. I mean,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of opinion-based, but there was a
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: video that came out that went very viral and that
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: played one Nickelback song in the left speaker and one
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: in the right speaker, and they lined up very on the, like,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: every chord change was kind of like at the same time.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: The verses changed at the same time. The formulaic stuff. Yeah,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: it was very formulaic, so people just sort of like
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: clowned them for being too formulaic.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Engineers would even say that they didn't like that because
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: they were recording what they call in the box, which
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: would mean they were recording everything very dry and then
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: changing all of the effects after the fact. So like
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: nothing that they were playing was like live necessarily. And
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: so some people had a problem with that.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: They're not the Stones. They're not the Stones.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: White people music.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: They're not Pink Floyd. You know, I get it.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: It's white people music.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: It's 98 IQ. Max.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: You can't say that.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: You can't say that.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just did.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: That's a good percentage of the population, son.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: I can listen to some 98 IQ music. I like
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: me some of that.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean, Max. I'm saying Max.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: People like, it's okay. You can have a high IQ
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: and go, that's all right. But you're like, I'm going
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: to see Nickelback. Wow. What is high IQ music? Pink
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: Floyd for sure. Well, jazz, I don't know. You know,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: jazz is interesting because I know a couple of dumb
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: people that love jazz. And then a lot of brilliant
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: people love jazz also. Tool. Tool's very high IQ music.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: If you're into like metal, probably a little disturbed. You're
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: a little disturbed. You're a little mad at your parents.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: Eric Weinstein brought up the Polyphia.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: I fucking love Polyphia. Tim Henson rules, dude.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: Polyphia's... That's for him. You have to be thinking a
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: lot to even like.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: It's not passive listening.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: Polyphia is not passive listening.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: God, there's a lot of great bands, man.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's high IQ music in that way.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: It's popular as well.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: I'm being silly, obviously.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: But I was trying to think about what that would be.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: If it was Beethoven, something more refined. I don't know.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: To me, that's the most fascinating music is music when
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: there was no recordings. I am fascinated by the fact
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: that these people wrote down music on paper so that
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: other people could replicate it. And that's how they passed
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: on these amazing songs that people still play in concerts today.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: There was no ability to record.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: Well, think about what stories would have been like before
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: we had the written word.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of really popular musicians who
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: don't know how to read music. They don't have to.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: You can just draw them out on my digital workspace
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: on my laptop. Yeah.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: They know how to play an instrument. They know what
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: the sounds it makes. I don't have to see those
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: fucking bullshit lines. What the fuck is that?
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, classically trained.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, everybody loves the idea of being a savant
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: renaissance guy sort of outside of the system coming in
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: and breaking the rules in that way. I wonder how
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: often that happens at the highest level.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: At the highest level, it's Hendrix. Because Hendrix played a
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: guitar upside down, left-handed. Why? Because he was left-handed. So
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: he played a right-handed guitar upside down. You ever see
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: the way he played guitar? I don't know jack shit
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: about playing guitar, by the way. This was explained to me.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: I think Weinstein was the first person to explain it
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: to me. But pull up Hendrix playing the guitar. He
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: would play it upside down because it was not built
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: for him. It didn't matter. He self-taught. And to this day,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: widely regarded as the greatest guitarist of all time. And
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: the most influential guitarist by far. The most. Like, he
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: was a freak. Like, when he came along, Eric Clapton
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: famously said that he made him want to quit. That
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: guitar's upside down, dog.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if all of his
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: guitars were upside down or, you know, some of them
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: were actual left-handed guitars. But I think he played upside down.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Hendrix was left-handed but typically used readily available right-handed Stratocasters.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: He reversed the instrument. This put the headstock controls bridge
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: angle and pickup orientation in unusual positions relative to a
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: conventional left-handed guitar. Isn't that wild?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Look at this. Hendrix signature Stratocaster recreates some of these
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: visual and functional details, including a reverse headstock and reverse
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: slant bridge pickup. Imagine, like, you're such a Hendrix fan.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: It looks the same, but it's still turned around.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think they did it his way.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: I think they replicated it his way. Because, like, if
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: you're a fucking... guitar nut and you love Hendrix, I
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: want to, like, why is this guitar bullshit? The guitar's backwards.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Hendrix doesn't play it like this. I'd want to learn
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: on a Hendrix guitar. Fuck yeah.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: I've been thinking a lot about, like, how we... assume
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: that wisdom compounds over time. So I guess not too
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 4: dissimilar to that. We have this, uh, epistemic privilege that
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: we give to a future version of ourselves, right? So
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: we assume that us now knows more than us in
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: the past or the us in the future will know
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: more than us now. And that sort of progress goes
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: in that way. But for some things like matters of
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: emotion or important life lessons, especially things around pain, I
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's true. So for instance, you could
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: imagine that you're in a relationship with somebody and it's
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: really painful. It's really uncomfortable. And after six months, you
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: bump into them again. And you can't quite remember the
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: sleepless nights and the way that things felt awkward and
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: the pain in the same way as you used to.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: And you start thinking, well, maybe I should get back
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: with them. Maybe it wasn't so bad. Or the guy
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: that works in a very aggressive job, high-powered, high-paced job,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: and he's burned out and he can't sleep. And a
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: year later, he misses the status. He misses the acclaim.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: He misses the accolades. He misses the camaraderie of working
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: in that organization. And he thinks, well, Maybe I could
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: get back. Maybe I could start again at a competitor.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe I could do that again. Or someone that's been
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: addicted to alcohol. And after they've been sober for a
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: couple of years, they think, huh, maybe I should run
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: that back. Maybe it wasn't that big of a deal.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe I can do it again. So there's this sort
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 4: of fading affect bias, which is this idea from psychology
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: that says bad memories fade with time, but good memories
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: don't quite the same way. And it's good because it
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: protects us from being pinned underneath trauma that happened in
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: the past. You know, you're not still so worried about
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: your first rejection from a girl in the same way
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: as you might have been shortly after that. So bad
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: memories plus time can equal comedy. But good memories plus
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: time doesn't usually equal tragedy. It's kind of a way
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: to think about it. That's great. It's like a psychological
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: immune system.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: We distance ourselves from things. We minimize them. And it's
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: a really fundamental part of the way that we deal
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: with pain and difficulty in life. One of the problems
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: is it causes us to forget the receipts of why
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 4: we did the hard work in the first place. So
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 4: if you think about why you worked so hard to
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: get yourself off of the alcohol, that was because of
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: the pain that you felt at the time. But the
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: pain that you felt at the time evaporates the further
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 4: that you are away from it, which is the reason
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: that you actually made all of that work and put
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: yourself through that process to improve your life. So you
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 4: could imagine that healing gets rid of the justification that
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: made the healing necessary. So it's just this strange inversion
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: that we always assume us in the future is going
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: to be better educated than us now. We know more.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: Like that's the way that it works. Yeah, of course.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: I've accumulated more experience.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: I know more.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: I'm closer to the future version of me, which means
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: that it's more recent. But in some things, especially matters
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: of pain, discomfort, emotionality, being in the future actually means
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: being further away from the evidence. And I often think
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 4: about this when you see people that kind of seem
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: to loop themselves back into bad situations, someone that keeps
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: on getting back into a bad relationship, someone that keeps
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 4: on getting back into a bad relationship with substances or
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: a job, or they just keep on, they seem to
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: be stuck. And I don't think it's that they're not moving.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: I think it's that they're sort of looping back. They're
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: forgetting the justification for why they needed to stop doing
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: this thing. You know, this idea that healing destroys its
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: receipts and this fading affect bias being kind of the
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: mechanism that works on it. I found it pretty fascinating
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: when thinking about observing my friends' lives.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: That is fascinating. But I think there's also an element
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: of people finding comfort in familiar patterns. And sometimes those
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: familiar patterns are just failure. They find comfort in failure.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: They find comfort in falling off the wagon. It's too difficult.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: The stress of not drinking is so strong. It's so much.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: They can't handle it. Just give me a fucking drink.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. There's a lot of people that Just the
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: pressure of success and not fucking up is so scary
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: and so daunting and just maintaining that they fall into
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: these self-destructive patterns.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: Why do you think that's the case?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd have to talk to a psychologist.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: But it seems to be a reoccurring pattern with people
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: seeking comfort in familiar patterns that are failure patterns. They're
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: like maybe it takes pressure off of them to succeed.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: Because for some people, the idea of succeeding, the idea
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: of getting it, it's like it's so overwhelming. It scares them.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: It gives them anxiety. It fucks them up all the time.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: And when they start doing well, hey, 333 days sober.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: And you start saying things like that. And the next thing,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: it just pops into your head. I want a fucking Marlboro.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: And I want a beer. And I want to go
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: to the bar and see my friends. And you just
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: want to go.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that feels like comfort, right?
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: I suppose.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 4: There is a. a curse with competence. It's interesting when
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 4: you see people that are kind of down on their
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: luck and it makes sense that maybe they might hit
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: the bottle or they might rely on bad suboptimal habits.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: But when someone's really competent and you keep on seeing
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 4: them fall back, that's what's particularly interesting. So you have
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: a look, you've got something else. You have an alternative here.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: That's what's really interesting to me. But I think that
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: if you're the sort of person that's good at things
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: and stuff typically goes well, Success doesn't become a reason
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: for celebration. It's the minimum level of acceptable performance, right?
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: It's a curse of competence. Success itself is what you
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: have to aim for and anything less than success would
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: be a failure and success itself is nothing more than acceptable.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: That creates a really perverse incentive, which is I can
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: only not lose. I can't ever win. It's this sort
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: of debt. You wake up every single day behind, and
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: only if you dominate the day perfectly do you get
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: yourself back up to the minimum level of acceptable performance,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: which is perfection. And I think the perfectionism is kind
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 4: of on the rise at the moment. There's a bunch
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: of studies. I've had a few guests on the show
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: talking about it. That is.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: How relatively... What do you mean by it's on the
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: rise versus.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 4: Perfectionism. I mean, the studies that have been done on it,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: looking at perfectionism as a personality trait, there's a few
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: different types of perfectionism. There's personal perfectionism. I must be perfect.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: And there's other perfectionism as well, that people around me
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: must be perfect too. And that can be particularly.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: How are they measuring the effect of perfectionism? How are
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: they measuring how people enacted in their lives? If it's
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: on the rise.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: It's a psychological scale. So they can have a survey,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: survey questions, things like, if I do not do, if
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: I don't succeed, that means I am a failure. I
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: must ensure that everything is controlled. So there's a criteria list.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: Right, but who are they asking? You know, I mean,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: depending upon who you're asking, you're going to get a
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: higher version, a higher number. You know, if you're asking
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: people in West Virginia and trailer parks versus someone who's
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: working on Wall Street, You know what I mean? You're
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: going to get different. It's like what's the sample size?
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to think that they're doing it representatively.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: But you might be right. They might not be. But anyway,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: I just– certainly from what I can see, this desire
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: that people have to– I'm in a capitalist society, meritocracy.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: If I can make myself more important, more successful, that
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: means that I'm going to get accolade.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: Please, please, please.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 4: And this goes back to the poverty parade thing, right?
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: If you're walking through business class to get to economy,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: you're reminded– You're reminded of your place within the hierarchy.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: There's also some really interesting data around if you're in
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: a high income inequality area, self-objectification by selfies from women
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  Speaker 4: on Instagram goes up. And this is a huge study
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  Speaker 4: by Candice Blake over in Australia. And they did a correlation.
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  Speaker 4: It might have been on Twitter rather than on Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: And they looked at geolocating images, ranked them based on self-objectification,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: and then looked at the wealth inequality in that local area.
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  Speaker 4: higher wealth inequality, more self-objectification.
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  Speaker 2: Which side is doing the self-objectification? Women. Women, but women
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  Speaker 2: that are poorer or women that are wealthier? All women.
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  Speaker 2: All women?
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  Speaker 4: All women in that area because, and the proposed mechanism is,
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  Speaker 4: you can see not just how high you could climb,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: look at the inequality on the top end, but how
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: low you could potentially fall to on the bottom end.
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  Speaker 2: Gets you motivated.
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  Speaker 4: Gets you motivated, yeah. And that is the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a similar sort of mechanism. If you
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: see high inequality, perfectionism is another escape hatch. That's another
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: ejector seat that you can pull. If you're not going
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: to use your assets to get you access, maybe you
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: could just do it yourself. You could bootstrap it yourself
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 4: to lift yourself off the launch pad. And yeah, the
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 4: perfectionism thing is kind of fascinating to me because I
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: think it means that people never really get to escape
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  Speaker 4: from the standards that they set. And if you're good
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 4: at stuff, it becomes even harder because the minimum level
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 4: of acceptable performance is just perfection, right? Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how I feel about that. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that has got to be
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  Speaker 2: motivated by social media. That's a big part of it
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  Speaker 2: because now you're getting to see what everybody has, what
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: everybody's doing. See what they look like, see their house,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: see their car, see all these things, these objects of desire.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: So that, I think, accelerates people's desires and wants. And
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: then you also get unrealistic beauty expectations from the internet,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: particularly social media apps that use filters, right? You're getting
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: a very distorted perception of what people look like. And
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: so that probably accelerates the amount of plastic surgery women
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: get and the amount of things that people are willing
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: to do, probably the amount of steroids that young men do,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff. But, you know, the idea
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: of perfectionism, like what are we talking about? If you're
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: talking about the pursuit of an excellence of a sport
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: or of some sort of a discipline some sort of
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: a thing you do people have always done that there's
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: always been a like outliers who are trying to be
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: the very best ever at something. You know, that's always
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: going to be the case. And we celebrate that because when,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a guy like Larry Bird that keeps
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: hitting those three pointers. I was like, fuck. Remember when
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, people would throw garbage into the
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: little garbage bins. baskets at school they would go Larry
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: Bird you know like they wanted to be like Larry
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: they wanted to be like Michael Jordan they wanted to
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: be like Mike Tyson people celebrate the outliers they celebrate
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: these excellent people that stand above and beyond there is.
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  Speaker 1: An article about it I don't know how they figured
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: it out yet interesting there's a it's been growing since 1989.
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  Speaker 2: This is hilarious perfectionism is a public health risk it's
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: associated with increased depression and anxiety yeah Yeah, you're going
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: to be depressed and anxious if you're trying to achieve perfection.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's bad. Like, it's really
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: about whether or not you can manage your fucking mind.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting there. So there's perfectionism is increased in different rates.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: Perfectionistic concerns, fear of failure, indecisiveness, and fear of being
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: negatively judged by others increase much faster than perfectionistic strivings,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: the motivation to set extremely high standards and work hard
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: to achieve them. So that's I guess maybe the difference
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 4: between what you're thinking about, which is kind of positive perfectionism,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 4: wanting to set a goal and chase after it, as
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 4: opposed to fear of failure, indecisiveness, and fear of being
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: judged negatively by others.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the big one, right? The fear of being
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: judged by others is a real fear because of social media.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: Go back, stop, stop. But when they say it increased
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: much faster than perfectionist strivings. So the problem with the
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: perfectionist strivings is then you have to have delayed gratification.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: You have to have the ability to say, I don't
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: want to do this today, but I want this in
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: the future. So I'm going to do this today so
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: that in the future I can succeed. That's abstract. That's
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: hard for a lot of people to grasp if they've
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: never gone through a process before, if they've never trusted
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: a process of improvement. This is one of the reasons
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: why sports are so important for young people or any
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: kind of pursuit, like learning how to play guitar or
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: learning anything that's difficult to learn. Because you realize there's
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: a process. You realize you start off sucky and then
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: you get better over time. But if you are never
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: doing anything like that, if you're just existing and you've
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: never been challenged to try to improve at something that's
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: very difficult, you don't understand the striving, the perfectionist striving.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: And even that term, I don't like that term. Excellence
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: is a better term. You're striving for excellence. Perfection is
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: not possible in anything. There's nothing perfect no matter what
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: you do. There's always going to be a failure. It's
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: a human error. There's always going to be– you might
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: get to– here's a perfect example. In games of pool,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: like in professional pool matches, the rarest of rare matches
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: is a match where a guy runs out the entire set.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: That means like say if you and I are playing
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: a race to 10, okay, which means the first guy
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: to make 10 games in a row. If you're really good,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: you might break– And have an open run on the
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: first rack and break and have an open run on
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: the second rack and break it up. You might run
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: 10 racks in a row. It's been done. Earl Strickland
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  Speaker 2: did it for a million dollars. He won a million
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: dollars at a tournament and they wind up fucking him.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: But Earl Strickland's like one of the greatest pool players
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: of all time. But they had a million dollar insurance policy.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: If someone could run 10 racks to make the tournament
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: more exciting, 10 racks in a row, they won a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: million dollars. where Earl Strickland is a mad genius. He's
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest players of all time, and he
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: knew there was a million dollars on the line. This
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: motherfucker came focused, and he broke and ran a 10-pack,
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: and they didn't want to pay him. This is bullshit,
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: but it was on film. The whole thing's crazy, but
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: that's 1,000. Nobody does that, and if you do it,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to fall apart in the next game. You'll
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: have another match the next day. You're never going to
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: be perfect. You're always going to miss. It's just humans.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: There's going to be error. You know, Michael Jordan, as
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: good as he was, didn't make every basketball. Mike Tyson
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: lost fights. You're a human. There's no perfection. But there
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: is excellence. And that's what people are pursuing, really. I
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: don't like that term.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 4: Perfectionism. I think what's maybe useful about the term is
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 4: that because that is the term, it belies the futility
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 4: of pursuing it. In containing it, it kind of mocks
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 4: the pursuit of it itself.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, because look, it is ridiculous when you're talking about appearance.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous when you're talking about frivolous things that are meaningless.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: But when you're talking about Magnus Walker playing chess, or
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: Magnus Carlsen playing chess, that means something. That's a crazy
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: thing that that guy's able to do. That pursuit of
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: extreme excellence is celebrated. When Messi plays soccer, when someone
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: is an outlier, we love that. So this idea that
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't love someone the most excellent of excellent people
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: that are the most celebrated in society. And there's a
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: problem with people chasing excellence. If you're saying there's a
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: problem with people chasing perfect appearances because then you get
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: dysmorphia and you start looking at yourself all weird and
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: then you get anorexia or you're getting your lips done
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: and you don't know they're too big, yeah, that's fucked up.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: That pursuit of perfection is insane. But we're not capable
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: of achieving perfection. We are capable of achieving excellence. So
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: if you call it perfection, it sounds like it's a problem.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: If you call it excellence.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like a pursuit.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: Federer, really interesting stat that I found out about him.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: He won maybe about 80, 85% of the matches that
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 4: he played across his entire career.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 4: But he only won about 56% of the points.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: That's the edge. And you have to be a madman
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: to work hard enough to beat everybody 85% of the time.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: You have to be a madman. How many fucking people
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: are playing tennis? How many freak athletes are out there
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: fucking whacking balls all day, doing sprints, lifting weights?
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: He lost nearly 50% of the points that he played.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: I fucking love that stat. Yeah, there's this great line
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: that the curse of discipline is that every day looks
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: the same. And the curse of indiscipline is that every
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: year looks the same.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I like that.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: And I've been thinking about the relationship between discipline, motivation,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: and obsession. So I think obsession is kind of pretty misunderstood,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: feared by a lot of people, even the people that
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: have got it sometimes.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: It's also dismissed by people that wish they had it.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: And they don't have it and they mock it.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 4: How so?
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: Because they look at someone who's like obsessed with doing
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: something and they're like, oh, he's fucking... lost his whole
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: life playing that stupid game, or he's given up his
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: whole life for his music. What's the point? There's a
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: lot of people that want to dismiss the outliers. Maybe
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: they don't like the way they stack up against them.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: If someone's the best at something, you watch some guy
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: that can just do this thing that no one else
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: can do the way he does it. There's a bunch
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: of people that celebrate it, for sure, but there's always
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: going to be a bunch of people that think there's
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: something wrong with it.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 4: Being threatened by obsession is kind of interesting. So everybody
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: wants to, I think it's to do with your relationship
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 4: with friction. So discipline is friction accepted. It's like, I
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 4: will force myself to do the thing regardless of how
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 4: hard it is. Motivation would be friction removed, which is like,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: I want to do the thing. And then obsession is
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: friction inverted. Like I can't not do the thing. I'm
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: pulled toward it. It's harder for me to not train
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 4: than it is for me to train. It's harder for
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 4: me to not play guitar than it is for me
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: to play guitar.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: So it's all about that relationship. And this is why
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: I think people get so confused because from the outside,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 4: obsession can look a lot like someone just using a
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: shit ton of discipline, just gritting their teeth and getting
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 4: through it. What you don't realize from the inside, they
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: have no choice.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 4: They have no choice but to do it. All that
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: they want, they go to sleep thinking about it. They
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 4: wake up thinking about it. Yeah. They have no, there
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 4: is no way that they can stop themselves from doing
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 4: this thing. And this is why it's dangerous. Obsession gets
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 4: a bad rap because if it's pointed toward politics or
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 4: porn or your ex.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: Or video games.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: Or video games or weed or, you know, whatever. That
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 4: becomes very dangerous. Right. And this is why some people,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to guess this is you, it's certainly me.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 4: Some people have problem solving brains. They're always kind of
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: rotating a little Rubik's cube in their mind thinking, how
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: can I? This is an interesting challenge for me to face.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 4: And how could I change this thing? How would I
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: fix this thing? Just playing with ideas or trying to
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 4: get better at something. They're always working on something. Someone
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: that's got a problem-solving brain but doesn't have any good
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: problems to solve will just chew themselves up. They will
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: eat themselves inside out because that is when you get
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: obsessed with stuff that you shouldn't do. That is when
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: you get obsessed with porn or politics or your toxic
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 4: ex or that person that you think that cut you
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 4: off in traffic and that's when you chase after them.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: That is the kind of problem solving brain without a
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 4: good problem to solve. And I think a lot of
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 4: people feel a degree of shame or at the very
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 4: least like they're marionetted by this problem solving brain, by
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: the speed of what they're going through, the fact that
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: they're always turning something. They can't really get it to
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: switch off. And I think a much easier solution than
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 4: trying to stop yourself from solving problems is to just
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 4: give yourself better problems to solve. It's to start a business.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 4: It's to get a pursuit that you really care about.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: Right. But this sounds very simplistic, though. We're talking about
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: like a legitimate mental health issue with a lot of
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: people that don't have the awareness to stop a pattern.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: You know, like there's a lot of people that need
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: a friend and they don't have any friends. And so
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: they need a counselor. They need someone. They need someone
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: who can talk to them about what they're doing and
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: give them some tools as to how to navigate out
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: of it because there's a lot of people that are
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: just stuck in that rut. I agree. And they could
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: be really good. There's people that are wasting their life
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: gambling that could be really good at something else. They
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: could be really good.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 4: If you applied that effort, that dedication, that obsession to something.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think the funny thing for anyone
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: that's on the right side of their obsession, they're applying
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: it to something that's positive. kind of a nice situation
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: to realize, hey, you weren't that far away from being
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: that guy on the street.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: Right, right. If you're honest with yourself.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: Your level of obsession could have directed you toward that,
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: that destruction, that distraction, that self-immolation. You're not that far
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: away from it. It's the same fuel. It's the same
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 4: fuel source.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just about directing it in a good way.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: And figure out a way that's going to be most
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: beneficial to you and the people around you. And some
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: people just aren't good at that problem solving.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: And I think you're right to point to what you
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: do in childhood. Sport is just, hey, if you work
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 4: hard incrementally at these component skills, there is an outcome
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: in terms of performance that will happen in future.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: These small amounts, these little efforts will contribute to what
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: you do. When you get there, there's delayed gratification, step
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: by step by step, you work up. And it's just,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 4: it kind of lays the physics of the system.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: Okay. And then you get into adulthood and you go, well,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: I understand like delaying gratification is important. I can win
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: the marshmallow test today, which means I can get something
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 4: that I want in future. I need to think over
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 4: a longer time horizon. Typically I can use my, like
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: another thing that's kind of fascinating about that obsession piece
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 4: is when you look at someone like Jocko as a
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 4: good example, What looks like obsession now, sorry, what looks
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 4: like discipline is probably just who he is. The 4.30 a.m. thing,
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 4: the kettlebell swings, the training. At one point, he was
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: obsessed by that. That was probably what he thought about most.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 4: I know it was when he was still in the SEALs.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 4: That was what he wanted. He wanted to get as
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 4: big and as jacked and as lethal as possible. I
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 4: don't think that's quite his priority in the same way now.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 4: But what you see, if you allow yourself to have
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 4: positive obsessions and for them to cool down, over time,
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 4: you basically start to build up these layers of a pyramid,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 4: which is, well, I'm not obsessed by training, but I
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 4: used to when I was in my twenties. And now
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 4: my training obsession is just who I am. It's cooled
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 4: like a, like lava's sort of cooled into the core
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 4: of this planet. And it's now who I've become. So
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 4: my training is just part of my life. And then, okay,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 4: what was the net? Well, I started to learn. I
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 4: wanted to, um, tell the truth. I wanted to be
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 4: an upstanding person. So I started to maybe go to
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 4: therapy or I worked on my mental health a little
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 4: bit more. And okay, that's now cool. That was an
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 4: obsession for a while. And now I've moved on to
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 4: the next thing. And I really wanted to build this skill.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 4: I wanted to become a good father. So I worked
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 4: out how I could deal with my emotions when interacting
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 4: with my kids. And now I've got that skill. Over time,
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 4: serial obsessives, I think, whether it's in business or in
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 4: training or in personal development, what you end up with
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 4: is this unbelievably well-rounded person But if you don't allow
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: yourself to wear that obsession for a while, and a
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 4: lot of the time when people get obsessed with stuff,
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 4: they feel guilty. They feel a little ashamed of it.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 4: They want to push back against it. But it's the
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 4: freest discipline and motivation you're ever going to get. You're
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: never going to find.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: Who feels guilty about being obsessed about things?
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes people do.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: About good things?
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 4: The mockery of your friends around you. Oh, dude, are
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 4: we going to go and play guitar again, are we? Oh,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 4: are we going to go and... Oh, you little music thing,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 4: is that going well?
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, anybody who falls victim to that, you deserve it. Because...
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: That's so silly.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 4: You need to stand up for what it is that
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: you want.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: I don't, all the times in my life when I've
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: been obsessed by things, if anybody like tried to mock
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: me being obsessed by it, I'd be like, fuck you.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: Who cares what you think? I couldn't have cared less.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I don't know whether it's a British, the mockery,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 4: the tall poppy thing is a huge part of British culture.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: If you diverge from the normal path, it is, you know,
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 4: we have the same number of universities in the top
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 4: 10 globally and but we produce 20% of the entrepreneurs
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 4: compared with America. And I think that a lot of
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 4: that is.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: Attitude. It's not.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 4: Fucking Cambridge, King's London, Oxford. These aren't rinky-dink organizations. They
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 4: attract unbelievable talent. Why is it that we're not producing
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 4: the same kind of orthogonal thinker, self-starter, sovereign, high-agency people
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 4: that you might get out of America? I think a
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 4: lot of it is It's just not as encouraged. It's not,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 4: and it's a shame. And I wish that I could
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 4: gift some of the enthusiasm back to the UK. Americans
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: basically have permanent first-line cocaine energy. It's just like so
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 4: enthusiastic about everything.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: Some Americans.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: That's true. But I wish that I could get that back.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: I wish I could push that back toward the UK.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 4: It's something that would make a massive difference. Sure.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it would. But it's very difficult to change
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: the way a whole country thinks. It's like the attitude
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: of the country. The attitude of this country is you
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: could make it here. Like you could– everybody feels like
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: they're just a few good deals away from being rich.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: Just a– they're a millionaire that just hasn't made it yet.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 4: Like that's– You don't expect to be able to become much.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 4: It's a very class system still over there. When you're
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 4: a kid, you're not told that you can be anything
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 4: that you want to be. If you diverge from the path,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 4: one of the first things that happens is, what are
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 4: you doing that for? It's a stupid idea. Good in
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 4: some ways, because it keeps your feet on the ground,
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 4: but bad in other ways, because it means that you
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 4: don't go for it. You don't take the big swings
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 4: in the same way. In the US, I get the
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: sense that kids that are told you can be anything
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: you want to be, the American dream is still very
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 4: much alive. If you work hard, you can raise yourself up,
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 4: pick yourself up by your bootstraps, and become something. What
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 4: happens if you arrive in adulthood and you're not given
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 4: that which you felt you were promised as a kid? Well,
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: that feels like someone's taken it away from you. That
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 4: feels like someone's stolen your rightful, your promise. This is
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 4: the same reason, interestingly enough, the same reason why Korea,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 4: the women in Korea are some of the most left-leaning
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 4: in the world, supposedly, that they were given equal access
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 4: to education over the last few decades. And that meant
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 4: that as a quite patriarchal society, they were constrained, not
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 4: able to access education in the same way. They finally
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 4: get into it. They're emancipated. They're getting degrees and higher
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 4: education at the same rate as the men. And then
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: they get into the real world and all of the
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 4: employment opportunities haven't caught up. And it's still very sexist
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 4: when it comes to the way that employment and promotions
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 4: And wages, there's still a big wage gap there. And
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 4: what that means is in the same way as the
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 4: American child that was promised all of this stuff as
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: a kid doesn't get delivered it when they become an adult.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: A lot of the women in Korea, it seems, were
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 4: promised a lot through their education. And then they arrive
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 4: and the rug feels like it's being pulled out from
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: underneath them by a workforce that is still kind of
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 4: in their equivalent of the dark ages. But people throw
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 4: their toys out of the pram. Why would they not?
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 4: I think that I deserve this. And yeah, the victimhood
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 4: culture in America is, I don't know, I wish I
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 4: could take some of the bits of America and put
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 4: them in the UK and some of the bits of
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: the UK and put them in America and I think
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 4: we'd end up, that was what it used to be.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 4: Fuck it, we'll just bring it back together again.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're always going to have people that
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: are dissatisfied with their station in life. The question is like,
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: were they equipped with the tools to create a better
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: life when they were younger? And whether they were equipped
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: by their family or they were equipped by whatever thing
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: they got into, a sport they got into when they
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: were young, or some sort of a discipline where they
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: realized it's really important that kids realize at an early
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: age about a process of improvement. Trusting the process. That's
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: a common phrase that you hear when it comes to
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 2: anything that you're trying to do that's difficult in this country.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: Trust the process. Trust the process. You hear about that
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: with coaches. Like in MMA fighters, they're always saying that
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: we got to trust the process. There's a process of
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: buildup up to a big fight. There's a process of
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: improvement to get your black belt. There's a process of
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: improvement as you rise through the amateur ranks into a
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: professional ranks. You got to do things the right way
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: and keep doing them and you're going to get better.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: Some people never learn that. And then they get to
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: a point where they think things should have already happened.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: And why haven't things happened for me? And then they
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: get angry, you know, and it's. A lot of it
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: is it's very difficult to find a good environment, very
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: difficult to find like-minded people that are empowering. And when
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: you're around them, you feel better, you feel motivated, you
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: feel inspired. That's also hugely critical for people. It's like
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: people want to think, oh, I'm a lone wolf. Fuck off.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: There's no one like that. That's all bullshit. Those people
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: are very depressed.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: Why do you think the trust thing comes from?
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 3: Trust.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the trust of the process. that I think a
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: lot of people want.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: It's people that have done it before. You have to
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: learn from people that have already done it. Like if
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: you're learning from a wrestling coach, you're learning from a
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: coach that wrestled. There's no wrestling coaches that didn't wrestle.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: They all wrestle and that you learn from them that
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: there's a process and this is what you're going to
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: do and this is how we're going to get better.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: And trust me, when week three comes along and you
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: can run this hill a lot easier than you run
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: it today, you're going to be thankful for these 5 a.m. practices. Like, yes, sir.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: You've got to trust the process. And if you have
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: a good coach, the good coach will show you at
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: every step of the way as you're improving. You'll hit
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: a move and he'll say, you see how smooth you
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: hit that? You couldn't hit that.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 4: Move last month.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 3: So true.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: It's so true. The inability to be able to see
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 4: your own progress, to be able to see what you're doing.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people, Goals are contracts
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 4: to self-criticize until we succeed. And that's how people whip
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 4: themselves into submission. And that's the problem with the perfectionism
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 4: side of things, as opposed to excellence, right? If you
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 4: were to say, I am not enough unless I am perfect,
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 4: as opposed to I am good if I keep improving.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 4: That seems to be one of the differences between the two.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 4: But yeah, goals being contracts to self-criticize until we succeed,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 4: that's not what a coach would do. I'm sure that
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't when you were teaching fucking taekwondo. And someone for
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: the first time manages to land this kick or they win.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 4: It's really, really close. You can pick out the elements.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: But so many people have got coaches in their mind
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 4: that are only ever focusing on the negatives.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: If you have a good coach and you're in a
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: sport with a bunch of other people that are doing well,
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: it's like statistically proven that your level will be higher
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: than someone who has a bad coach that's around other
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: people that aren't as good. That's just how it always is.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: The best athletes always come from the great programs. You know,
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: whether it's Oklahoma State University, wrestling, or whatever the fuck
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: it is. There's always like a bunch of different killers
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: that come from a great environment with great coaching. People
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: don't have that in life, right? If you had great
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: coaching in life and you were surrounded by a bunch
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: of other fucking Division I All-Americans who are like getting
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: after it every day, you would be motivated. But most
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: people aren't. And this is part of the problem. Most
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 2: people are surrounded by equally lost people who are sad.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to rise above. It's hard to say,
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go to the bar because I'm
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: working on writing this book and I need to write
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: this book. Oh, you're going to fucking write the book
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: and you're going to ignore your boys? Like, click. You
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: got to know when to find people that are productive
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: and healthy and are doing things similar to what you're
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: doing things where you're like pursuing something that you really
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: enjoy and not just waste your fucking life away drinking
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: every day. Like a lot of people will do.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 4: That perspective's hard to come by, though. It is. Because
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 4: you need to break out of the frame that you're
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 4: in already. This is the lonely chapter thing that I'm
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 4: kind of obsessed with. You're so developed that you don't
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 4: resonate with your old set of friends. But you're not
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 4: yet sufficiently developed that you've built up your new set
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 4: of friends. And there's this temptation to go back. To
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: go back to the old patterns, the old habits, the
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 4: old modes of reassurance.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: Just like we were talking about with drug addicts falling
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: off the wagon. Because it's easier. It's easier to fail.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 4: It is simpler.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: And I guess.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 4: What's interesting, thinking about choosing a new direction and having
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 4: a degree of self-assurance, like living your life by design
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 4: as opposed to default is one of the most important things.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 4: But I wonder whether people that are in an environment
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 4: where they don't have any good role models, like I
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 4: didn't grow up in a particularly salubrious part of the UK.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 4: It's the most working class town in the back end
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 4: of the northeast of England. And There weren't that many
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 4: people around me when I grew up that were like
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 4: the person I wanted to be like, but there were
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 4: fucking lots of people like the person I didn't want
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 4: to be like, I didn't want his relationship with gambling.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't want the way that he kept on cheating
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 4: on his wife. I didn't like the fact that he
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 4: used alcohol to deal with his emotional problems. So yeah.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 4: Would it be nice if you had the D one
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 4: sports coach is your next door neighbor every morning telling
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 4: you that you can, we should go for a run
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 4: because little Timmy's going for a run as well. Yeah.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: That'd be awesome. But if you don't have it and
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 4: you've got some people around you that are reverse role models.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 4: You can quite easily– you can make a lot of
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 4: progress in life by avoiding pitfalls, not just expediting success.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 4: By weaving away from the things that you know that
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 4: you don't want.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 2: The problem is a lot of those people will try
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: to drag you down. And if you're in close proximity
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 2: to them and you have to interact with them on
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: a regular basis, it could trip you up. But, yeah,
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of people get motivated by– like if you're
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: around people that are alcoholics and you see them ruin
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: their life. Like I have a friend who's– family was
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: alcoholics and he's never had a drink his whole life
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: it's like i won't touch that shit ever he saw
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: it saw it wreck people's lives never had a desire
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: to have alcohol um so that was and you know
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: he became very successful so he figured out a way
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 2: to just avoid all the problems that all those people
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: had they motivated him but it's better to be motivated
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: by someone who's doing something you aspire.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 4: To as opposed to trying to avoid something that's going wrong.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: I think the option that people have now that was
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: never available before is you could hear people that you
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: admire or that you aspire to be like what they are.
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: You could hear them on the internet now. There's way
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 2: more access to inspiration than ever before. When you have
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: some high achiever who goes on a podcast and has
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: a conversation about something that they do and you can
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 2: realize how this guy built his company or built his
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: life or became this amazing athlete and what they went through.
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: You can learn from conversations that you're not in the
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 2: room with. You don't get a chance to hang out
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: with David Goggins or whatever, but you get a chance
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: to listen to him talk now where it just wasn't
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: available before. For all the different outliers, like we were
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: talking about Larry Bird before. Who the fuck was Larry
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: Bird listening to? He had to be listening to the
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: other basketball players that were playing with him that were
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: all a bunch of killers. Like that was the only
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: way he got good. Like he didn't have the internet.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: He couldn't just go on YouTube and find inspirational quotes.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 2: You know, he couldn't listen to an Alan Watts lecture
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: and have a new perspective on life. It was harder.
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 2: It's a lot harder. It's a lot easier now. It's
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: a lot easier now to be inspired. It's a lot
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 2: easier now to also have examples of people that are
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: living a life that is aligned with what you're looking
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: for versus what you see around you all the time.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: You don't just accept it anymore. People, there's a lot
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 2: more people now that are like, I've got to get
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: the fuck away from these people.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 4: Well, because the alternative is that you're fortunately, like serendipitously
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 4: just born into a culture where there's some people like
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 4: the person you want to be like right next to you.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 4: Are around other people that are like that too.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 4: Because by design, you're an outlier. So if you're an outlier,
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 4: there's going to be fewer people like you. Being able
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 4: to hear people say, I remember I was listening to
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 4: a pod a while ago, and there was this line
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 4: on it. I think it was Mel Robbins that said
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 4: something like, all my life I'd always felt like someone
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 4: was mad at me. I was like, huh. I've never
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 4: heard anybody put it that way before. All my life
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 4: I'd ever heard.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: Did Mel Robbins say this?
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 2: I've never listened to her podcast, but Tim Dillon was
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: making fun of her today, and it was the funniest
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: shit I've ever heard in my life.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 4: I listened to that, too.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 2: He goes, she makes Gary Vee sound like Aristotle. Tim
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 2: Dillon is the best. He's the best.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 4: Have you seen Gary Vee's talking about Vee Friends recently?
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 4: Did you see this, Jamie? No.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: Have a little, this, this. I don't want to watch this. Okay.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 2: Don't make me do this. Okay, all right.
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 4: Well, you made me watch a leg kick.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: He's a nice guy.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 4: Gary's a nice guy.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 2: I've had him on the podcast before.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe we don't need to learn about that. Anyway, just,
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 4: my point is, regardless of who it comes from, you
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 4: can find inspiration in a variety of places.
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: You certainly can, but there's more now than ever before.
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: And there's never a time in human history where you
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: can be more inspired. You just have to seek it.
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: But you also have to avoid the tricks. There's all
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: a bunch of things that are going to trick you
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: and steal your attention. You've got to avoid the nonsense.
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: Avoid the nonsense on social media and just find things
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: that– your time is very valuable. And the same feeling
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 2: that you get out of watching– like the same dopamine
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 2: rush that you get from watching a TikTok video that
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 2: means nothing, you'll also get from watching a YouTube video
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: where you're going to learn something. It's like it's just
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: as interesting.
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, talking about the thing.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: More so.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 4: Talking about the thing and doing the thing vie for
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 4: the same resources. So you need to allocate yours appropriately.
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 4: Like how many people– are just great at talking about
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 4: how their plans are going to go. This is what's
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 4: going to happen next. I can't wait. I can't wait
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 4: for this new business that's going to go. And it
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 4: never happens.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 2: Were you around when The Secret was a big movie
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of people really believed that they could
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: just sort of manifest their life? Yes. By thinking about it? Yes.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: That was a fascinating time.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 4: You know that lady said that the reason the Boxing
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 4: Day tsunami happened in Thailand was because the citizens were
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 4: giving off bad juju?
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 4: She basically said that they'd manifested– it was like thousands,
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 4: tens of thousands of people displaced because of a tsunami
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 4: that happened on Boxing Day.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: Imagine. Imagine believing that.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 4: Dude, the crazy thing is the secret– the visualization stuff,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 4: which I'm sure tons and tons of the athletes that
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 4: you've worked with or that you commentate on, so many
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 4: of them are using visualization. But people forget that you
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 4: need to actually go and do the work as well.
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 4: You'd think like– God will steer the boat, but you
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 4: still have to row as opposed to you can just
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 4: sit in the boat and think about it and you'll
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 4: get rowed there yourself. And that's the issue. The issue
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 4: is that people want a shortcut. And if you can
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 4: give them a shortcut.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the visualization and the belief is an element.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 2: It's an element. If you can never see yourself succeeding,
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: you'll probably fuck it up somehow. But if you can
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 2: see yourself succeeding and you have a direct plan and
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: you also put in the work, your odds of success
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 2: are higher. That's all it is. But the people that
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: have said that they use the secret to succeed, they're
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: only the people that used it and it worked. How
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 2: many people used it and it didn't work? Probably a
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 2: fuckload more.
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 4: Survivorship bias is a hell of a drug.
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: It is a hell of a drug.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, uh, Yeah, it's one thing to get what
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 4: you want, but it's another thing to want what's worth
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 4: getting in life.
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of people believe that it was like God's
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 2: will for them to succeed. I knew God had a
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: plan for me. Okay. Does God have a plan for
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: that dude who's doing heroin in the corner? What about
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 2: the guy that's pissing on himself on Skid Row? Does
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: God have a plan for that guy? God doesn't like him.
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't like him when he was a baby. I
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 2: don't like him now. Fuck that guy. Give him fentanyl.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 4: How do you... How do you come to sort of
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 4: think about the unfairness of the hands that are being dealt?
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 4: Because when I think about that, it does make me
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 4: really sad. It makes me sad to think about how
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 4: unfortunate some people's like decks of cards.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can get
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 2: born to a pair of junkies. Two junkies can have
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 2: sex on Skid Row and you're born addicted to fentanyl
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: right out of the box. And your life is fucked
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: versus if you have a child. You're a great guy.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: You're educated. You're interesting. You're intelligent. Your kid's going to
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 2: grow up with a cool dad. It's like it's not fair.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 2: It's not even remotely fair. And we don't do enough
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 2: to fucking mitigate the unfairness. And I don't mean in
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 2: terms of redistribution of wealth or anything like that. Making
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 2: sure there's not that level of despair and poverty in
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 2: a functional society. And the fact that there's almost no
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 2: effort no real concerted effort to clean up any of
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 2: these problems that we have had for decades upon decades
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: upon decades in our cities. It's kind of crazy. The
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 2: amount of money we spent on other things, we could
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 2: have fixed that a long time ago. You know, there's
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracies about that too, that they don't
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 2: want that because if more people become educated and more
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 2: people become ambitious, it's going to be harder to fuck
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 2: them over. It's going to be harder to force them
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 2: to pay taxes for an inefficient government that's stealing.
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 4: And is filled with fraud and waste.
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Too many competent people. You won't be able to
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 2: keep your job being an incompetent legislator. There's a lot
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 2: of theories about why schools suck so hard and there's
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: so little money being put into schools. When you think
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 2: about the amount of power That a teacher has over
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 2: a child. You're working all day, okay? You're at work.
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 2: Your kid is with another adult and then a different
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: adult and then the next hour and a different adult
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 2: the next hour. And they're shaping their worldview for a
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 2: solid seven, eight hours a day. More than you. Five
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 2: days a week. More than you. You're working all day.
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 2: So you come home like, what are they teaching in school? What? Daddy,
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 2: they taught me I could be anything I want. I
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 2: could be a girl. Oh, God. Daddy, they taught me
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 2: how important communism is. What? Ah, fuck. And what are
• 2:50:18
  Speaker 2: you going to do? You're going to go to the
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 2: school and you're going to yell at the meeting. And
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 2: what do they do when that happens? They turn the
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 2: parents into terrorists. They say the parents are terrorists.
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 2: They've called parents terrorists for showing up at school board
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 2: meetings and yelling that they don't want their kids being
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 2: taught about sexuality or they don't want their kids being
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 2: taught about this. Yeah, so there's school boards that have
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 2: tried to censor parents and have tried to, like, label
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 2: them domestic terrorists for trying to interrupt meetings and say
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 2: that they don't want their children being taught these ways.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 2: And so then what are your options? You homeschool. You've
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 2: got to, oh, I don't have the time. Fuck.
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 4: A huge amount of cost. Yeah, dude, it is.
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It's weird out there, man.
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 4: The state of the U.S. education system at the moment
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 4: seems fucking wild. There was these studies that came out
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 4: of Illinois. Basically no one. in high school could read
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 4: like a fourth grade level. It's fucking insane. I saw
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 4: a video of a teacher crying that none of the
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 4: students were even remotely competent.
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What is a state that just because students were
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 2: doing so bad, they completely dropped their standards? Was it Oregon?
• 2:51:28
  Speaker 2: I forget what governor, but like ridiculously dropped their standards
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 2: for reading and math.
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 2: It's not good. I mean, that should be something we're
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 2: really concentrating on. It should be a really important thing
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 2: in our world that's discussed every day versus whether or
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 2: not men can play in the WNBA.
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Penn State had a cocaine ring at one of
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 4: the fraternities. Do you see that?
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 2: A ring?
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 4: Cocaine ring.
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 2: What do you mean a ring?
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 4: Like two different fraternities.
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 2: Were selling cocaine?
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, not just selling cocaine. They were driving to Philadelphia
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 4: and back and New York and back. to create a
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 4: huge cartel. This massive, massive scandal. The dad of one
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 4: of the guys that was in, that was the leader
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 4: of it, is some attorney dude that was covering it up,
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 4: putting money and drugs in the safe. And the pledges
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 4: that were pledging to go into the fraternities were made
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 4: to cut and bag the cocaine.
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 4: Free labor.
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 2: What school was this?
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 4: Penn State.
• 2:52:30
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 4: 14 people arrested, including one of them that was the dad.
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 4: This kid's got like a gazillion charges for it.
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're just entrepreneurs.
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 4: Look, we need to encourage an entrepreneurial spirit.
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 2: Entrepreneurs in a bad direction. It's like what we were
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 2: talking about before. Obsession in the wrong direction. Why?
• 2:52:49
  Speaker 4: Penn State's great for wrestling, right? Why didn't you go
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 4: and do wrestling?
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 2: Or imagine if they put all that effort into a
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 2: legitimate business.
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 2: They'd probably be getting out of college already wealthy.
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, did you see Ben Askren return to
• 2:53:02
  Speaker 4: wrestling one year after his?
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Dude. Crazy.
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 4: I had him on the pod like two weeks.
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 2: Before he won. I can't believe he did it. It's
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 2: so nuts with two lung replacements. He's got lung donations.
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 2: Like somebody gave him lungs.
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 4: A immunosuppressant.
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to be on immunosuppressants so his body
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't reject the lungs. But having lung transplants is crazy.
• 2:53:26
  Speaker 2: Having two is really crazy. And then wrestling a year
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: later is just beyond insane.
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 4: He never looked at what the surgery was that he got.
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know how they did it. So I went
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 4: and had a look, and it's the full breast. It's
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 4: like you're spread-eagled from reverse.
• 2:53:43
  Speaker 2: Like a fish. Dude, I've got to pee, and we've
• 2:53:46
  Speaker 2: got to wrap this up. All right. Christopher, it's always
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 2: a good time to see you.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man.
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, too. Tell everybody your podcast, where they can
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 2: get it. Well, they can watch it.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 4: Modern Wisdom, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube. Just dropped an episode
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 4: with Jocko Willink, Matt McCusker, and Jeff Dye. So you
• 2:54:00
  Speaker 4: can go and check that one out.
• 2:54:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 4: Or you can go back and watch the Hunter Biden episode.
• 2:54:03
  Speaker 2: That's a good combo. Yeah.
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 4: I'm doing this. It's a Mostly Wise, which is the
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 4: new series. It's me and McCusker with a serious seat.
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 4: Hunter Biden was a serious seat for one. We had
• 2:54:11
  Speaker 4: Huberman for another. We've got Neil deGrasse Tyson coming up
• 2:54:13
  Speaker 4: in for Brian Johnson. And I'm throwing another comedian in
• 2:54:16
  Speaker 4: as well. So it's kind of fun.
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 2: Beautiful. Beautiful.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man.
• 2:54:19
  Speaker 2: Until next time. Bye, everybody.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 4: Bye.