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Legend of the Bunny Man · Boozy Banter with Friends

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SPEAKER_00: Grab a cocktail as we talk about life and death.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything in between and beyond.
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SPEAKER_00: Join us for a little boozy banter with friends.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: Happy Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: Happy Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: Almost.
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SPEAKER_00: Ish.
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SPEAKER_00: Ish.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's still got a couple days, but it's here.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: Finally.
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SPEAKER_00: Finally.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's October came really quick and then really dragged.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it just me?
0:54
SPEAKER_00: No, it for me it went by pretty quickly.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Did it?
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it did.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It seems like October kind of flew by.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: Like it was the beginning of October, and then all of a sudden it's gone.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what?
1:06
SPEAKER_00: What's what's what's going on here?
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: You know what's gonna happen soon though?
1:11
SPEAKER_00: What?
1:12
SPEAKER_00: The changing of the time.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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SPEAKER_00: I dread the changing.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: I can never adjust.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: Never.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: It just throws me off until spring.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not a big and then we start losing, like our days get shorter, and it's just I'm sure we're not the only ones that really hate the time change.
1:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: My husband likes to think that one day people are gonna vote out the daylight savings thing.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so too.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: But he also also thinks that it's gonna be a bunch of people like me who don't really get which way it's supposed to go, and then I'm gonna vote for the wrong thing and we'll end up keeping it.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm like, super.
2:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't want any daylight savings either.
2:04
SPEAKER_00: And then he's like, So would you vote to keep it or get rid of it?
2:10
SPEAKER_00: And I'm always like, I'd vote to get rid of it, you know, and he's like, and I don't know, or maybe whatever.
2:17
SPEAKER_00: I it I would vote the opposite of what needs to be done to get rid of it.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: They need to put it in the simplest terms possible.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Do you want more daylight or less daylight?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Because then the people are like, oh, more daylight for sure.
2:30
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Because that's how I would know.
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SPEAKER_00: But they can't ever just make it simple and just phrase it where people will understand.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: Like me.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: Like and me.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: I want more daylight all the time.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't want it to be dark at five o'clock.
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SPEAKER_00: 4 30.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: It's getting dark at 4 30.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want that.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like it's already gonna happen.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: Why make it happen faster?
2:56
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, let us fool ourselves.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: I also don't really care for the whole like I'm fine with summer being what it is, but I would prefer it just get dark at like five or six, six o'clock.
3:14
SPEAKER_00: Six o'clock in the winter.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: No sooner than that.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no sooner.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: Ah, yeah, I need to be okay with seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Six thirty.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Wintertime I like to get six forty-five.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I like for it to get dark just a little bit earlier in the wintertime because I like the Christmas lights.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: In January, you can go back to, you know, being dark at like seven, eight o'clock.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess so.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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SPEAKER_00: But December, I want to be driving home from the grocery store at five o'clock in the afternoon and see people's Christmas lights on.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
3:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: January 1st, you gotta go back.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: All right.
3:53
SPEAKER_00: There should just be like a Christmas clause.
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SPEAKER_00: Just for the holidays.
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SPEAKER_00: It can get dark.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: That's how I was.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: Just for like people be more pissed than they are now about the damn time change.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: From November to December 31st, we can have daylight savings.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: And then nobody.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: This is bullshit.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: It's only for two months.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: This is bullshit.
4:19
SPEAKER_00: People will literally think it's more bullshit than it already is.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's bullshit with a purpose.
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SPEAKER_00: What for some, I mean, there are strange people out there that don't care for Christianity.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: We don't care about them.
4:31
SPEAKER_00: We care about what I want.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: Just we care about what the majority wants.
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SPEAKER_00: And the majority of people want to be able to see Christmas lights at five o'clock.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean I for only one month.
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SPEAKER_01: I can I can see my Christmas lights around six.
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SPEAKER_00: But you're in your house at six.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I mean you want to be coming home and seeing all the lights.
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SPEAKER_00: But once you're home, you don't want to leave your house to go see lights.
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SPEAKER_00: I like going and seeing lights when it's dark, dark.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the week before Christmas.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean But what if you could see them all month long?
5:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, it takes me a while to put up my damn Christmas lights.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see you then until then, you would just enjoy other people's who got started early.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
5:21
SPEAKER_00: I didn't put up any Halloween shit this year.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: Um I said I was.
5:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: I didn't.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: I did.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: I got a bunch of crap piled on totes, and then I went to go move a tote and I was like, oh, this tote's too heavy.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do it.
5:34
SPEAKER_00: It's hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like it's hard to get into the decorating now.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know.
5:42
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: I kind of feel the same way.
5:45
SPEAKER_00: Or uh is it me or is it like the current?
5:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like the last couple years have been kind of shitty, like in just in general.
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SPEAKER_00: Like with the economy and politics, and it's like trickling over into stuff.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Into like holidays that I knew.
6:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh this has gotta stop.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is bullshit.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: This is bullshit.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: You're impacting our holidays now.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: Making me not want to put up Halloween shit.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: Hey, whose brilliant idea was it to do elections and crap like that right before the holidays?
6:24
SPEAKER_01: I really don't give a shit about elections.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
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SPEAKER_00: Not when it doesn't affect me putting up decorations or not, putting up and use that as an excuse, like it does.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I mean it it's not that it affects like how you feel about doing Christmas.
6:39
SPEAKER_00: It's the overall vibe of everybody during the holidays.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: I think it's better.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: We're in an election year again.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh well, damn it.
6:49
SPEAKER_00: So tired of it.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
6:53
SPEAKER_00: Meh.
6:54
SPEAKER_00: We're having wine.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: We are because we're in a meh mood.
6:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: And it should be Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it is Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: That should be.
7:02
SPEAKER_00: It is Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: And we should be like, hey, it's Halloween.
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SPEAKER_00: It's my favorite time.
7:09
SPEAKER_00: Right.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: But even Halloween is different nowadays.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: We were just talking about this the other day.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't see any trick-or-treaters anymore.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't get any.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: Mm-mm.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't get any.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, even like in our old neighborhood, uh, where my mom lives now, there are no trick-or-treaters.
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SPEAKER_00: They all go to the mall or they do trunk or treat now during the day.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, there's just people worry too, and I do not blame them.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I do not blame people for keeping their kids in on Halloween because there's too many psychos out there doing psycho shit.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I live in a nice neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: You do.
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SPEAKER_00: And if I was a kid, I would be like, this is hot because gold mine.
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SPEAKER_00: House after house after house, like right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I would mine.
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SPEAKER_00: As a parent, I would have loved that for my kids because then I could just close stand in the center and watch all the kids watching.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: Watch them go around.
8:08
SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm guilty of it too.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when Chloe works and we would so for the last however many years, six years, we go to Epcot, we go to Disney for Halloween because we don't really have a neighborhood because us and all of our neighbors live on Acreage.
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SPEAKER_00: But and I always felt bad going to other people's neighborhoods.
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SPEAKER_00: But even if I had, there are no trick-or-treaters.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, so people have given up with giving out candy.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: So we go to Disney.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you've gone to Disney for years.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:45
SPEAKER_00: So anyhow.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: Anyhow.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: I got candy at my house if you want to come knock on my door.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, for years I would buy like the big bars, like full-size bars of candy.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, if anybody comes to my house, I'm giving them two.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: She's a jet bot house.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: Nobody would come, and then I'd have to eat them.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I always buy candy that I like.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: Me too.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: By the way if I have to eat them.
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SPEAKER_00: Big candy.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: I would either get like the the big um Snickers bars or the kick, the big Kit Kats, like the king-size Kit Kat.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: Dang.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, because I'm gonna eat them.
9:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm not even gonna ask you what your favorite Halloween candy is.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: I already know.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: It is what it is.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: You're I didn't buy any this year.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very decisive, this your favorite Halloween candy, though.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: Either you like it or you don't.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:38
SPEAKER_00: You love candy corn?
9:39
SPEAKER_00: I do.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: I didn't buy any this year.
9:41
SPEAKER_00: I can't believe you didn't.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: You got a candy corn goose.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I did not buy any because I eat the whole bag because nobody will help me eat it.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't like candy corn.
9:51
unknown: I love candy corn.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: That's so weird.
9:53
SPEAKER_00: I know.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: You can't fold the less who's team candy corn, who's not?
9:58
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: You know what I like?
10:01
SPEAKER_00: I like those Reese's peanut butter pumpkins.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Really?
10:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like the Reese's peanut butter eggs, but in a pumpkin shape, and it's the perfect ratio of everything.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: It's the perfect ratio.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: I do like those.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my favorite Halloween candy.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean that I now when I go through Donovan's bag and I pick out candy, you know, for grandma tax.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: What?
10:30
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, I don't have kids to do trick-or-treating now, so there's no mom tax.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: I gotta do the grandma tax.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: I always pull out all of his little Twizzlers.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
10:42
SPEAKER_00: You and licorice.
10:43
SPEAKER_00: I know.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: He does not like the Twizzlers, and so he willingly willingly gives us and the little the miniature Snickers.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I do like those mini Sneakies.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: So, um, but he really doesn't want me taking anything else.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: So But at least he gives you stickers.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: He does give me the Snickers.
11:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's gold right there.
11:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you could throw away the twizzlers, though.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: I like the twistlers.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: I know you like slickerice.
11:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is.
11:14
SPEAKER_00: I like them, especially when they're a little stale.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: I've only met one other person.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, my friend Jody, she, her friend in Birmingham, um, would always have, and especially the red vines, would she would keep them in her bag.
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SPEAKER_00: Those are my favorite.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: And used to be a long time ago, I could only find them if we went home to Washington State, like in the Pacific Northwest, Washington, Oregon.
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SPEAKER_00: I could find them at the grocery store, wherever, and I could not find them anywhere in the South.
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SPEAKER_00: And now I can, but you know, there's something about tearing open the package and forgetting about them for a couple days, and they get a little hard, and it just makes them better.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
12:02
SPEAKER_00: We just went to a movie the other day, and you're like, red vines.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: I bought a pack of red vines to go to the movies.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: But then also, I what did I say?
12:12
SPEAKER_00: Well, they're not stale yet.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: They were too soft.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: They were too fresh.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: Too fresh.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right out of the package.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: Does not work for me.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: Every road trip.
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SPEAKER_00: Red vines.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: That's her road trip snack.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: I love red vines.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: And you know what else I used to love in high school were big hunks.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember big hunks?
12:34
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've never heard of a big hunk.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the they're like, I don't know what they are.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: They're not taffy, but they're chewy like taffy.
12:42
SPEAKER_00: They're like a nugget.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: Was it like a Charleston chew?
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SPEAKER_00: Flattened with no chocolate.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: That was like, was it laffy taffy?
12:54
SPEAKER_00: No.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: It's like the the I don't know.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to describe it, but it was there.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if anybody else knows how to describe a big hunk, you know, chime in.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: But it was flat and it had like peanuts in it, I think.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: And I would put them in the freezer and then you would smack it and they would crack up into a bunch of little pieces, and you just ugh, so no, maybe we had something here in the south.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna have to look and see if they maybe they don't sell them anymore.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: That would have been a long time ago.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: We were just talking about that today.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: We were talking about people, women that are like, oh, do you remember back in my day?
13:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, we would never do that or whatever.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, this one with her different times, different times.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: And I said, you know, I you think about it like us saying, you know, back when I was in high school is the equivalent of like people saying that in the early part of the century.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: Like not this century, last century.
13:57
SPEAKER_00: We were totally talking about that.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: More about, you know, about how people dress nowadays.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: Like all like we were at Disney, we had lunch at Disney Springs.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: My I wanted to pick up some thing that just came out from my daughter.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: She's a huge Disney fan.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I wanted to go out there and grab it because I just knew that, you know, they were gonna have those secondhand sellers.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna go snatch them all up and resell them on eBay, and I wouldn't get one for her.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: So Layla braved the Disney crowd with me.
14:29
SPEAKER_00: It's always an adventure.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: And we went and had lunch.
14:32
SPEAKER_00: And I said she plied me with lunch and wine.
14:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, when you're going to Disney, you gotta do that at least.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: And of course I said, okay.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not doing anything else.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: And so uh we went out and we were talking about how when you're on vacation, you tend to be like a little more relaxed, and you're like, oh, I wouldn't wear this in my everyday life where I know people, but I'm on vacation, so I'm gonna wear this.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: You could be a little brave.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: And some of it's just the matchy matchy Disney.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: Some of it is a bolder pattern that you may never write before.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: Shorter skirts.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of, there was a lot of business showing out there today.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's not like the business, but you know, there were there was a lot of skin.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: I know it's hot in Florida, but there was a lot of skin.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: And I said, gosh, you know, I just don't remember ever feeling that comfortable in my own skin to go out and do that.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: I said, Things have changed so much.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: I like when you go to the pool or you go to the beach, like it's just there's a different vibe now.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
15:44
SPEAKER_00: These young girls are are comfortable with it.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: That's all that matters.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: And evidently their partners are comfortable with it.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: So that's all that matters with that.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: But it's different times now.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: But it is just very jarring when when you're in the middle of it, you know?
16:02
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of skin.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: And you know me.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, so we took a cruise and there was like, I don't want to say old people because we're I'm getting up there in years.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: Not old, but I mean, these were like olderly people.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: And their their skin is a different texture than mine.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: When they get to a certain age, it's like I'm already starting to get that.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: I know.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: And definitely my neck.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: They would come from the pool and they wouldn't, they wouldn't we have like a cover up or whatever, and they would bump into you in the elevators in the on the cruise, and I would like melt down every time because it was like just I the the feel I hope I I hope my skin never feels like I won't be able to touch my you know like my own self.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: I'll be just like, oh my skin, Layla.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: It's just really, I don't understand.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: Feels like plastic.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: But there's so much skin today.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: It was a nightmare.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: One of my favorite things that Chris just said today was we're talking about.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I said the past, how people dress in the past, like how our grandmothers or great-grandmothers probably in the 70s would look at the people in the 70s and saying, Oh God, why are you dressed like and you know, I said, I'm feeling a little like that.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And I said, But you gotta remember when they were teenagers, the the difference in years would have been back in the 30s, you know, for the 70s.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: So now we're like in the in 2026 and that, you know, same time would have been like the 80s.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the 40 to 40 years is a lot.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, but so do you feel like the I don't even remember what I said.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: You said free the nip.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm waiting for it to say.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember how I used to be like, you're like they're walking around with like no bra and yeah, uh our grandmothers would have been so mortified back then with those girls in the 70s who are like free the nipple, you know, because they that was, you know, everybody was like the whole free love.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: That's what I free love and free nipples.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, wait, not free nipples, but free the nipple.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: But that's, you know, that's how I imagine my grandmother probably felt as mortified as me today with the amount of skin that was different dyes.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: Different dies.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: Different dyes.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: And uh but yeah, we were having a whole moment about how I'm like, I'm feeling like an old lady today.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: I feel, yeah, I feel like we definitely have an old lady moment where we were like, those kids these days, they just I know how good they have it.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: Right.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: I just I just need a cane.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Some bifocals that rest right here.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: Got those.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Never mind.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: It's part of the checklist, you know?
19:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, I don't know.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, but yeah, so we're having that led to us coming back here, feeling a little old, having a little more line and talking about Halloween and all the candy we have not eaten yet.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: So or the candy corns.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: You haven't had any candy corns.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: Because they only sell it in one size of bag and I eat the whole thing.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, I can't just keep chowing down on candy corn for because then so what happens is I eat the whole bag for all of October, and then I see that you know, Halloween's over, and I see it half off, and I have to buy another bag.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: Or 75% off, and oh, let me grab another bag because it's going away for the whole year.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: And then I finish that bag, and then we roll right into holiday candy and baking.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, but I do love holiday candy and baking.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: I do too.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: And it shows in January.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, so I heard they don't count.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, I my brain says it doesn't count, but my butt says it does.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: So the clothes.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: And the clothes are screaming at me.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: They're like, no, ma'am.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, sorry.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden you're like, ooh, nope.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: I need to change into something.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: You should have thought about that two dozen cookies ago.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they're good.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: I know.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that's that's a little on down the road.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Right now we're still in Halloween time.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: We're still in Halloween, and I've got a pretty cool Halloween adjacent story for you today.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: I love Halloween.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Adjacent stories.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, I could have gone full on Halloween, but I don't know.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: I feel like we've done that.
20:54
unknown: I think we have.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: We've talked about origins and all that stuff.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: So, but I did find one that was, like I said, Halloween adjacent.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: Let's see what you have.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: It's called the Bunyman Bridge.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of the Bunny Man Bridge and the Bunny Man?
21:13
SPEAKER_00: No.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: It's um an urban legend, pretty much.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you how it became an urban legend, but it's from Virginia.
21:24
unknown: Yeah.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: So um, the story of the Bunyman Bridge is one of Northern Virginia's most recognizable urban legends.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Evidently, it's pretty well known in the area.
21:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's not like a remote area of Virginia.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Virginia's pretty spread out.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: It's like close to the DC area.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Really?
21:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: Um it's about a mysterious figure dressed in a rabbit costume, an axe or a hatchet, a series of supposed murders, and a ghost said to appear near a railroad pass.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: On Halloween night.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: The legend has been repeated for decades, shared around campfires, featured on television, and circulated across the internet.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: But like most good tales, its most frightening details do not match the available historical evidence.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Research by Brian Conley, a historian archivist with the Fairfax County Public Library, traced the legend to reports from October 1970 when a person wearing a rabbit costume was reportedly involved in two disturbing incidents in Fairfax County.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: I bet you that 70s bunny costume was creepy as hell.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know it was.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like it was so it wasn't the cute um Ralphie one.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: It was like a white, creepying phase.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: So to understand how the story has evolved, uh it's necessary to examine three overlapping histories: the real incidents, uh, the development of the urban legend, and the experiences later visitors interpreted as paranormal.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: Conley's investigation found no evidence supporting the famous claims of an escaped asylum inmate, a series of murders at the bridge, or a supernatural killer.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: The location referred to as the Bunny Man Bridge is actually the Colchester Overpass near Clifton in Fairfax County, Virginia.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: The railroad structure crosses Colchester Road, creating a narrow passage beneath the tracks surrounded by woodland.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Like it's, you know, just your ordinary.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: We drive through them all the time in other states, not in Florida.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh right.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: The tunnel is secluded.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh the roadway is relatively narrow, and the surrounding trees can make the area feel isolated, particularly after dark.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: But the I could see that.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: And you know, that just gives that creepy vibe, especially when you have to go through a tunnel at night.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: At night.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: Like it's just weird.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: You're driving down a road and there's nothing on the road except woods, and all of a sudden you come across like a little tunnel.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just weird.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Unsettling.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: But the overpass did not become famous because of a series of murders that occurred there.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: The original rabbit costume incidents took place around Guinea Road, which is somewhere else in Fairfax County.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: Not nearby, but you know, close enough.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: Close enough.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, the association between the legend and the Colchester overpass developed later.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: So let's go back to the beginning with the two incidents that started this whole legend.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: According to Brian Conley's research, archived Washington Post reports documented two separate incidents involving a person dressed in a rabbit costume in October of 1970.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: The first happened on October 19th.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: Shortly after midnight, Air Force Academy cadet Robert Bennett and his fiancee were reportedly sitting in a parked car near Guinea Road when a figure wearing a white rabbit costume emerged from the nearby bushes.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: I would have been dope.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm out.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm out.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Let the car go.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: According to the newspaper account, the figure accused the couple of trespassing and threatened to record their license plate.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: Now it's a different time.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: In 1970, I'm thinking record.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he means I'm gonna write it down with a pen and paper because or take a photo.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, because it looks like they had cell phones.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: Um he then threw a hatchet through the car's passenger side window before running away.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Like he threw the hatchet at him and then took off running.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: Seems pretty extreme.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Right?
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Like I would say a rock because like you just lost.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: But a hatchet?
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna do now?
26:44
SPEAKER_00: What happens if the people in the car were crazier than you?
26:47
SPEAKER_00: They get the hatchet and chase after you.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Could happen.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, the couple wasn't injured, and police reportedly recovered the hatchet, but the man's identity remained unknown.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: So he was just disgruntled about something and took off.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: But just 10 days later, on October 29th, another incident was reported on Guinea Road.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: A construction site security guard named Paul Phillips encountered a person in a rabbit costume at an unfinished house.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: According to the October 31st newspaper report, the figure was chopping at a porch support with an axe and complaining that people were trespassing, just like he accused the couple of doing.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: Phillips saw the figure, um, said the figure threatened him before running away into the woods.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: Police responded to the reported incident, but they did not apprehend anyone.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: A subsequent investigation failed to establish the individual's identity, and people speculated that it was a disgruntled local who was upset about the rapid suburban growth in the Fairfax area.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: But since he was never caught, we're never really gonna know.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: So after the news reported both of these incidents, stories about the bunny man began to spread.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Nice, you know?
28:20
SPEAKER_00: There wasn't a creepy bunny costume.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: There was no internet.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: So you've just got word of mouth.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: We've all played the telephone game.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, and that's exactly what was going on here.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Do they play that nowadays?
28:32
SPEAKER_00: No.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't think most of them know what a telephone is.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Like this kind of one widely circulated version claimed that an insane asylum had existed near Clifton in the early 20th century.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: According to the story, inmates escaped while being transported to Lorton prison.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: One supposedly died hanging from the bridge, while another survived and became the bunny man.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: As the legend grew, other versions added a hermit, animal carcasses, murdered children, and a string of gruesome crimes committed at the bridge.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, now.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: That's a lot.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: That is a lot.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: While the story offered a complete explanation for the rabbit costume and the bridge's supposed curse, Conley investigated the claims and found significant historical problems.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: With the first being that uh Fairfax County had no asylum matching the story's description.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Like that.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: But you can't have a ghost story without an asylum.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Without an asylum.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Um second, Lorton Prison was not established until 1910.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: Well.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: Undermining the account that placed the transfer in 1904.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Also, the named fugitives in a prominent version of the tale did not appear in Fairfax County Records.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, there's the lack of any evidence involving the alleged series of murders at uh Bunny Man Bridge.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: So I mean, it's been debunked, but that didn't stop it from spreading.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: It's not.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: It's a legend.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Everybody loves a good spooky legend, especially when it comes to a like a bunny man to women.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: So all of this is important because the escaped inmate narrative is often presented online as documented history, while it is not.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: But it does show how quickly a relatively recent local story can acquire the appearance of having an older, darker history and how quickly it can spread.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: In 1973, University of Maryland student Patricia Johnson collected 54 variations of the tale from young people in the Washington area region.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: Her research found substantial differences between versions.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: Some involved threats, others attacks on cars or vandalism, but only a few included murder.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: And this was just three years after the Bunyman costume incident.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: By the 1980s, the legend had acquired several gruesome murders in popular retellings.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Around 1999, a widely circulated internet story called The Clifton Bunny Man added specific names and dates to the alleged asylum escape.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Give it more cred.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: In 2001, the program's Scariest Places on Earth featured a segment called Terror on Bunyman's Bridge.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: The legend also inspired horror film adaptations.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: And the final piece to the legend: how did the Colchester Overpass become Bunyman Bridge?
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Remember, the original 1970 incidents were reported on Guinea Road, not at the Colchester Overpass.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: It's suggested that the secluded overpass became a popular hangout for teenagers in the 70s and 80s, and the setting just reinforced the story.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: A narrow tunnel beneath railroad tracks is naturally more unsettling at night than a brightly lit suburban street.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Passing trains create powerful sounds and vibrations, headlights sweep across the walls, and the surrounding trees can conceal people or animals.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Once the location became associated with the bunny man, the bridge itself became part of the ritual.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: Teenagers could visit the site, tell the story, and dare one another to enter the tunnel after dark.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: Now, considering the whole thing is an established urban legend, there have been reports of paranormal activity.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: One of the better known accounts appeared in the Washington Post in October of 2003.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Really?
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: Right?
33:39
SPEAKER_00: Like not just in uh, you know, the National Enquirer.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: A woman named Angie Prophet recalled visiting the bridge as a teenager during the 1970s.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: So right there, you're getting the backstory.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: She said she saw two children near the tunnel entrance who appeared to disappear, uh, then seemed to reappear at the back window of her car.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: Years later, after becoming familiar with the bunny man legend, she interpreted the experience as paranormal and believed the children had been victims of the supposed killer.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: The 2003 Washington Post article also included paranormal enthusiast C Steve Sucher, who reported feeling a sense of dread when driving through the area, despite not accepting the bunny man story itself.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: So, hmm.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: More common reports are the numerous claims of sightings of a figure wearing a white rabbit costume, sometimes carrying an axe, who appears near the bridge after dark.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Many claim the figure emerges on Halloween and attacks anyone who trespasses in the area, which leads to the supposed Halloween curse.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Hmm, a curse.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: There are several variations of it, but in one version, anyone who enters the tunnel at midnight on October 31st will be killed.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: It's pretty final.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty like there's no drama there.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: If you go in at midnight on October 1st, you're gonna be killed.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: They don't say how.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: Just dead.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: In others, visitors can summon the bunny man by repeating his name three times on Halloween night.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: So you gotta go in the bridge and say bunny man, bunny man, bunny man.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: And supposedly he'll appear.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Can't they have come up with their own original?
35:51
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Bunyman Bridge occupies an unusual place in American folklore because its story contains a genuine historical mystery wrapped inside decades of embellishment.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, in October of 1970, reports described a man in a white rabbit costume threatening people with an axe or hatchet in Fairfax County.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh police investigated, but the person's identity was not established.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Within a few years, the incidents had inspired dozens of variations of the bunny man story.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: The legend subsequently acquired an escaped asylum narrative, murders, a curse, and claims of ghostly encounters at the Colchester Overpass.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Even though historical research has not substantiated the asylum story or the murders at the bridge.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's one of those.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: It just keeps going.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: It just keeps going.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: It has a life of its own.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: The bunny man may never be identified, but the history is clear enough to tell a story of its own.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: A rapidly changing Virginia landscape, an unidentified figure in a bizarre costume, and a community whose rumors transformed an unusual news story into a lasting legend.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: And those are the facts behind the infamous bunny man bridge.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's your typical urban legend.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: You know?
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Especially how it grew and grew and grew and grew.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: And just took on a life of its own.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: So he the bunny band didn't show up anywhere near the bridge, and then all of a sudden it's now called the bunny band.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: And now there's an asylum and escaped inmates.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: And it's paranormal.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: And there's ghosts.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: So nobody knows.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: But I bet uh I bet it was a thing in the in the 70s and 80s to go in there and say bunny man, bunny man, bunny man three times.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: And you know what probably happened is somebody went in there and did it and their friends left them.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: And then it grew a little bigger.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: Or because you know that person that was in there is like, oh my God, I was totally attacked.
38:13
unknown: Oh.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Or something.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: Or they set it up as a joke and like someone was on the other side.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: And snuck in.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: That's what kids did back then.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: No, you had no other forms of entertainment.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Back when they trick-or-treated from house to house.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: So, anyhow.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: That was a good one.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: That was my Halloween story.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: Halloween adjacent story, you know.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: Just if you happen to be in the Virginia area and um Fairfax County specifically, and you go over to the Bunny Man Bridge on Halloween night.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: Don't go in at midnight.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: You'll be killed.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: That's what they say.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: That's what they say.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: So anyhow, I don't know.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Until next time, Bunny Man.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
39:10
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39:11
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39:15
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39:22
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39:24
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