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Special podcast: Jack Doohan signs his first F1 contract · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to a special episode of Pit Talk,
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  Speaker 1: a Fox Sports and Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On
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  Speaker 1: today's episode, Alpine confirms that Ossie reserve driver Jack Doan
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  Speaker 1: will make the step up to Formula One next season.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lomonado, motorsport writer for Fox Sports Australia.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of
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  Speaker 1: my co host from Speed Cafe. He's in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 1: but today he's a Queenslander. It's Matt Cosh.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely not a Queenslander. I am proud, proud
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  Speaker 2: South Australian. I sit here with a cart and of
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  Speaker 2: ice coffee Farmers Union in my head. I'm not making it,
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  Speaker 2: not making it up. I actually do have a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a few wick going. And what you also can't
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  Speaker 2: see is that I also devoured, slightly earlier, an enormous
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  Speaker 2: packet of fruit chocks. Is I'm not a Queenslander. You
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  Speaker 2: can take you can take the boy out of South Australia,
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  Speaker 2: but you can never take our Grand Prix.
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  Speaker 1: You've been drinking Farmer's nice coffee for the last two
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  Speaker 1: years of waiting for me to reference that.
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  Speaker 2: But I just let me sadly for all you. This
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  Speaker 2: is an interactive session for everyone listening. You can't see it, but.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he's got two.
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  Speaker 2: I'm holding up for three going. I've got three going there,
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  Speaker 2: and I've got more in the fridge. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a long night people, if you can't already get
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  Speaker 2: that from us. We are slightly delirious, and I think
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  Speaker 2: for good reason we've got another Australian bloody Formula One mate.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is great, it's really it is sinking in
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  Speaker 1: for me as well that this is fairly momentous. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't get new Formula One drivers every day, I
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  Speaker 1: suppose because we felt like this was building towards this
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  Speaker 1: conclusion for a little while, and we've been following Jack's
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  Speaker 1: progress obviously for quite a few years. But it is
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  Speaker 1: exciting to know we're guaranteed at least to Australian Formula
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  Speaker 1: One drivers on the grid next year. We might talk
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  Speaker 1: about the possibility of the third later on. Jack Dowan
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  Speaker 1: will be the nineteenth Australian Grand Prix driver to enter
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  Speaker 1: a Formula One Grand Prix. The sixteenth the starter race
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  Speaker 1: presumably will race next year and Matt You and I
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  Speaker 1: were on a media call with him shortly after the
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  Speaker 1: announcement was made, so on Friday evening, depending on me
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  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast a couple of days ago, what today,
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  Speaker 1: And it was interesting to get a sense of what
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  Speaker 1: he thought about the moment, because while it did feel
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  Speaker 1: like it was building towards this, there have been several
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  Speaker 1: hurdles in the culmination of him becoming a Formula one driver,
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  Speaker 1: whether that be he's so so Formula two campaign last
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  Speaker 1: year or that Carlos science pursuit instigated by Alpine the
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  Speaker 1: last few months. But it certainly seems like he's taking
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  Speaker 1: this obviously very seriously. But he sinking in for him,
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  Speaker 1: is now the massive mission before him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely got that impressions or it hasn't sunk in.
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  Speaker 2: The penny hasn't really dropped yet. I guess that makes
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  Speaker 2: sense because he's he's been in and around Alpine for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, so nothing will really have changed, Nothing
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  Speaker 2: will really change until the start of next year when
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  Speaker 2: he's the one climbing into the carr You know, he
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  Speaker 2: signed a bit of paper, he told us he signed
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  Speaker 2: that on the Wednesday following the Belgian Grand Prix. He
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  Speaker 2: was still at SPA, bashing around doing some tire testing
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  Speaker 2: in the in the twenty four car for Our Pain.
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  Speaker 2: Did that with his his dad there watching. His dad
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  Speaker 2: was the witness has that been doing five time murder
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  Speaker 2: GP or Motorcycling World Champion is the witness to the
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  Speaker 2: sign of a new country. I thought that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it hasn't sunk in yet. The way
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  Speaker 2: he was speaking, it was though it was this nebulous
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  Speaker 2: idea that at some point was going to become real.
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  Speaker 2: But really isn't isn't. Yeah, I mean even just some
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  Speaker 2: of the things he said that, you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: like it's taken a long time to sink him because
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  Speaker 2: it's been so much time. I've been so close. I
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't believe it until it was almost announced, Like
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  Speaker 2: today there is exact words. So, yeah, this is momentous.
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  Speaker 2: This is a lifetime's ambition and you put it in
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  Speaker 2: good context. Off the top, there we've had in the
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  Speaker 2: nearly seventy five year history of Formula One or of
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  Speaker 2: the World Championship. I won't say Formula one, but of
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  Speaker 2: the World Championship, there's been only eighteen Australians in the
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  Speaker 2: sports history. Three of them mid named Brabham, so I
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  Speaker 2: guess that.
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  Speaker 1: Helps, but it's even less likely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So if your name's not Brabham in you're Australian,
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  Speaker 2: you've got very little chance of getting to Formula one. However,
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  Speaker 2: if your name's doing getting to the top of Motorsport's
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  Speaker 2: motorsports pile pretty good odds well.
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  Speaker 1: It's impressive. He must really still be singing in for
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  Speaker 1: him as well, because the first time Alpines actually managed
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  Speaker 1: to get its reserve driver into one of its cars
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  Speaker 1: in Formula one, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I love the little teaser. I love that little teaser
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  Speaker 2: that they put out on social media just before the announcement,
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  Speaker 2: just sort of playing on the Oscar Piastre. It's my
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  Speaker 2: understanding that you know that tweet from August twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: all those years ago. I'm disappointed that Jack didn't sees
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to win the internet with some sort of
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  Speaker 2: I understand that Alpine, with my approval, has signed me
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  Speaker 2: as a race driver or something to that effect.
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  Speaker 1: I'd have been worried had that been me out of
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  Speaker 1: copied and paste that from Osco Piastri's time roone and
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  Speaker 1: forgotten to change the words to reflect the correct order,
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  Speaker 1: correct out coverment. But yes, IVI di chids, that's fine. Look,
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  Speaker 1: the bigger opportunity is still coming next year. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting too, some of the things he was
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  Speaker 1: talking about about his preparation for next year, because he
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  Speaker 1: does still have and the press release pointed this out
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  Speaker 1: his reserved duties for the rest of the year, and
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  Speaker 1: that involves they really are quite involved this year because
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  Speaker 1: obviously we know that Alpine is not in a great
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  Speaker 1: competitive state right now, and it's really been relying on
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  Speaker 1: him being one of the three drivers really to feed
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  Speaker 1: back into the development of the car him by the simulator,
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  Speaker 1: and I suppose a little bit via some private testing
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  Speaker 1: with the current car and the fact that actually a
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  Speaker 1: lot of his off track work has been about almost
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  Speaker 1: simulate the driving styles of Pierre Gasley and Esteban Ochon.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't really had time this season to think about
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  Speaker 1: how he wants to drive his car, and for the
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  Speaker 1: next six months he's hoping that you'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: allow some of his characteristics bleed into the program, because
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  Speaker 1: of course the car is developing this year is the
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  Speaker 1: car he'll be driving next year.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting because part of what got Jack across the line.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously there's the fact that he's an Alpeen Academy driver
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  Speaker 2: and they have to promote out of that. But a
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  Speaker 2: lot of what he's done to put himself in the
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  Speaker 2: pole position for the seat this year next year is
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  Speaker 2: the work he's been doing over a race weekend, but
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  Speaker 2: not at the track. I remember back at the Monaco
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  Speaker 2: Grand Prix, on the Friday alpine work we're all at sea,
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  Speaker 2: Jack put basically an overnighter in at the sim fleshed
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  Speaker 2: out a couple of setup options that they had, and
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  Speaker 2: comes Saturday, the car was transformed and that was credited,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, there's not many teams out there who
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  Speaker 2: do this credit the simulator driver on a raceca It's
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  Speaker 2: not the only time that's happened. Throughout the course of
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  Speaker 2: the year. Jack has been identified a couple of times
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  Speaker 2: by both Pierre Gasley and Destabanokhon as being a valuable
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  Speaker 2: member of that team for the contribution that he's putting
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  Speaker 2: him behind the scenes. And you know, we've got to
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  Speaker 2: also remember that Jack forego racing himself to focus on this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, he doesn't have a whole lot of
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  Speaker 2: time to race, given that the formulae schedule is about
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  Speaker 2: thirty nine races long and takes every waking moment that
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  Speaker 2: you have. But you know, he's still willingly put his
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  Speaker 2: career on hold. He took a gamble on doing that,
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  Speaker 2: put his faith in the team, and he's been rewarded
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  Speaker 2: for I think that's that's a great little story, just
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  Speaker 2: aside from the fact that he's Australian. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: did the right thing by the team and our peene.
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  Speaker 2: It's not without its failings, very well documented, but to
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  Speaker 2: its credit, Yeah, they did the right thing by him
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  Speaker 2: as well, so that's too, that's a positive. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now Jack has to focus on himself again and work
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  Speaker 2: out what he wants out of the car, out of
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  Speaker 2: the team, and how to go and get that so
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  Speaker 2: that when he gets from the grid in Melbourne, which
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  Speaker 2: is his first race, he is ready to get going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Really worthwhile reminding that he wasn't racing this year and
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  Speaker 1: he had opportunities to race other categories this year. Alping
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  Speaker 1: wanted him as the full time reserve driver and that
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  Speaker 1: was very much a choice he had to make and
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  Speaker 1: it's riskier than it looks in retrospect, it's very easy
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  Speaker 1: to say, well, now he's got the contract, and of
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  Speaker 1: course he got the contract, he was the reserve driver,
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  Speaker 1: and that many other high profile drivers out there. But
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  Speaker 1: there was every chance, and Jack said he'd never allowed
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  Speaker 1: him to think about it, but there's every chance that
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  Speaker 1: things might just simply not have gone his way. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know how the driver market moves. It's totally unpredictable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could even predicted how Alpine was not
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  Speaker 1: even going to perform on track this year, but the
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  Speaker 1: changes that would be going off track. So things have
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  Speaker 1: worked out because he did show that faith in the team,
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  Speaker 1: but also the extent to which he was pushing behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes to make sure he was front of mind
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  Speaker 1: has delivered. So the gambles well and truly paid off.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned there, Matt that now focus has to turn
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  Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five and that is the challenge for
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  Speaker 1: him now, because you'll be making a debut in Formula
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  Speaker 1: One with a team that is unlikely to be competing,
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  Speaker 1: certainly on the top five. And we'll wait and see
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  Speaker 1: how the rest of this year goes, of course, before
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  Speaker 1: guessing where Alpine will land at the start of next year,
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  Speaker 1: but on current form is probably at best sixth fastest
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  Speaker 1: and at worst we'll be performing chaotically. Because we still
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  Speaker 1: don't really have a great read of where this year's
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  Speaker 1: Alpine car is from the press release. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: assume this is a one year deal as well, because
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  Speaker 1: it really only talks about twenty twenty five, and perhaps
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  Speaker 1: that's just Alpine not wanting to make long term vets
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  Speaker 1: given the change it's happening behind the scenes. But nonetheless
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  Speaker 1: this does mean it is quite a high pressure chance
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  Speaker 1: for Jack next year, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It does. An interesting thought occurred to me. If this
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  Speaker 2: contract was signed on the Wednesday following the Belgian Grand Prix,
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  Speaker 2: who signed it? Oh, yes, good question, because Ollie Oakes
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  Speaker 2: hadn't actually formally started. He's still not actually named as
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  Speaker 2: a director of our pea must have, I must add,
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  Speaker 2: and Bruno Famine technically ended his time on the Monday
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  Speaker 2: after the Belgian Grand Prix, so anyway, that's that's beside
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  Speaker 2: the point. But yeah, well, my mind is going off
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  Speaker 2: on all sorts of tangents. If there's a gravel trap,
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  Speaker 2: my mind is in here.
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  Speaker 1: After your third carton of iceed coffee.
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  Speaker 2: The fourth is coming very soon, I can tell you
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  Speaker 2: that much. Yeah, the team is an interesting position, and
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  Speaker 2: Jack has the potential to either benefit heavily out of
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  Speaker 2: that or be dealt a very swift exit from Formula one.
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  Speaker 2: Because typically you look at a team like our Peanut's
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  Speaker 2: in a rebuilding phase, it's not expected to score good results.
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  Speaker 2: You think it's a bit of a free kick because
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  Speaker 2: you can't. You can't fail. You're not expected to succeed,
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  Speaker 2: and as a result, you can't fail. However, the the
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  Speaker 2: midfield now is so condensed and so competitive that one
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  Speaker 2: good weekend and one good result can turn you season on.
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  Speaker 2: It's oad, so you've got to be there or thereabouts
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  Speaker 2: to be able to capitalize on those. So there is
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  Speaker 2: now pressure in those cars and on those drivers that
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  Speaker 2: once upon a time wasn't there. So that nice cruisy
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  Speaker 2: entry into Formula one he doesn't really have that. But
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  Speaker 2: by the same token, he doesn't have the expectation of
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  Speaker 2: going out and winning races, so we can't judge him
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  Speaker 2: on anything he does before the summer break next year,
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  Speaker 2: Franz tossed the Toro Rosso slash AFFATOWERI team boss said
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  Speaker 2: that it takes three years for a driver to get
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  Speaker 2: to grips with Formula One. We don't know that Jack's
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  Speaker 2: got that. As you say, he's got a one year deal.
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  Speaker 2: Probably it hasn't been specified. I've heard two years, but
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  Speaker 2: let's take it at face value and say it's a
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  Speaker 2: one year deal. You know, it's a it's a big
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  Speaker 2: job that he's now got a huge job and putting
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  Speaker 2: any sort of expectations on him now because we don't
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  Speaker 2: know where the team stacks up, and I think you're
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  Speaker 2: right in that probably six best is where it's fighting
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  Speaker 2: next year. Yeah, yeah, he's going to look across the garage.
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  Speaker 2: Pierre Gasly's no slouch, is a race winner of course,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's going to be fascinating and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a long season, longer than he's ever raced.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't raced for a year, so there'll be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of rust on like there was an Oscar
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  Speaker 2: at the start of his F one career. To be
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be a fascinating story and one that
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  Speaker 2: I'm very keen to to stay across every step of
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  Speaker 2: the way because this starts, you know, there's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of preseason testing, then more into Melbourne and then
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  Speaker 2: more into the thick of the season. It's you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to have a chance once things get
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  Speaker 2: going to stop and take breath.
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  Speaker 1: Very little preseason testing these days, I guess his advantage
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  Speaker 1: over other rookies, although we don't know who all the
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  Speaker 1: other rookies will be next year, but I'm thinking particular
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  Speaker 1: of Oliver Behman, who's likely to be an on track
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  Speaker 1: rival next year based on where the cars are this year,
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  Speaker 1: is that he's doing an immense amount of private testing
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  Speaker 1: because he's not undertaking a Formula two campaign this year,
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  Speaker 1: around five thousand kilometers in a variety of older spec
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  Speaker 1: ALPNE cars, including ones designed under this set of regulations
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two car anyway and some in
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  Speaker 1: this year's car, plus FP one sessions. And he as
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of being fully embedded in the LPN team
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  Speaker 1: this year, so there will be none of that acclimatization
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  Speaker 1: to the people he's working with, needing to meet new
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  Speaker 1: faces and put names to faces and all that sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. He will be able to hit the ground
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  Speaker 1: running in that sense, but it will be that workload
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  Speaker 1: and schedule and of course just pressure associated with racing
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  Speaker 1: in Formula One and racing at the top level of
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  Speaker 1: this discipline of motorsport, that he'll have very little time
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  Speaker 1: to adjust to and sort of as you alluded to,
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  Speaker 1: the difficulty will be regardless of whether he gets essentially
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  Speaker 1: let's say a six month grace peod because it's after
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  Speaker 1: the mid season break that maybe decisions will be made.
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  Speaker 1: It's that if well Alpine's only good at some tracks
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  Speaker 1: and some of those traction in the first half of
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  Speaker 1: the year, they're the ones he'll need to perform well
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  Speaker 1: at because even if he looks okay against Pierre Gazli,
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  Speaker 1: that all the tracks that the car might be no
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  Speaker 1: good at, that's just not going to really wash all
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  Speaker 1: that well. And that's going to be sort of part
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  Speaker 1: of the interesting challenge next year. But it does depend
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  Speaker 1: on where our car starts next year, and there's certainly
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  Speaker 1: optimism that the car might start, certainly start better than
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  Speaker 1: it started this year, but start even better that it
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  Speaker 1: ends this year. That's certainly going to be the aim.
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  Speaker 1: But there is one additional element to this, Matt, and
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  Speaker 1: that is the prospect that Australia might have three drivers
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  Speaker 1: on the grid next year. It's only happened once before
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  Speaker 1: in history in nineteen seventy six the United States Grand Prix,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Jones, Larry Perkins and one time start to Warwick Brown.
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  Speaker 1: There was three entrants at the nineteen seventy seven British
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  Speaker 1: GROMP that was Jones, Vern Schuppat and Brian McGuire. At
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  Speaker 1: McGuire did not pre qualify the days of pre qualifying
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  Speaker 1: to get three drivers on the grid, though, Matt, we'll
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  Speaker 1: need Daniel Ricardo to get a contract renewal and that's
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  Speaker 1: very much still up into the air and this week
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  Speaker 1: something we'll probably talk about a little bit more in
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  Speaker 1: detail next week, but started with Helmut Marco saying that
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  Speaker 1: Liam Lawson, the Red Bull reserve driver, will definitely be
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  Speaker 1: on the grid with one of the Red Bull teams,
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  Speaker 1: which puts the pressure not just on Daniel but obviously
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  Speaker 1: also on Sergio Perez. It's hard to know what the
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  Speaker 1: odds are of getting that third driver on the grid
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  Speaker 1: next year at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a big unknown and argue probably the
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  Speaker 2: most interesting unknown left in the driver market now because
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: outside of now we've got our peen locked in, you've
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  Speaker 2: really only got the outing seat, which is not not
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: one that many are fighting over. Let's be honest, because
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: of the state that that team is currently in, it's
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: got a lot of work to do. Not to say
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: it can't be done, but it's got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work to do. The only other drive left is is
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  Speaker 2: the RB seat. And if Liam Lawson is coming into
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  Speaker 2: the program, well you've got five drivers hypothetically there. If
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  Speaker 2: you're assuming that Daniel stays on and on only four cars,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are they going to go back to the
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  Speaker 2: Christian Clean via tanitonio Ley driver sharing arrangement? I can't
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  Speaker 2: see that happening. So logically, you know, at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: Daniel doesn't have a contract. It's an awkward truth, but
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  Speaker 2: it is the truth. Daniel doesn't have a deal. But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, Sergio Perez needs to improve. But
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  Speaker 2: if Sergio doesn't improve, what does it do? Does it
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  Speaker 2: demote Perez, promote Daniel? Does it just put lim into
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: that seat straight away into the senior Red Bull team?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: These these are big questions. I can't remember the last time,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: because even Max didn't go straight into the scene your team.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I reckon the last time a Red Bull driver went
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: straight into that team. It probably would have been Leotsy
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: back when they didn't have Toro Rosso. Totally different because
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that's been the function of Yeah, that's the function of
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: having a second team where you can you can sort
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of blood some of these guys and quality assure some
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: of these guys to an extent. So I mean, putting
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Leam in that seat is a huge risk, but is
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it any riskier than Putt Daniel in that seed or
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: keeping lem And that's that's what the next little bit
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: for Red Bull is all about, while at the same
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: time trying to reverse the trend of giving up ground
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: to McLaren and Mercedes and you know, from what we've
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: seen even Ferrari at times. So that's now for me,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the big off track interest for the remainder of this
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: season and probably for the next even just a month
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: or so through until we get to Singapore, I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: is where Sergio should be just about safe. But come Sergio,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Come Singapore. For Sergio, that's kind of a it's a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: watershed moment. It's another one of these mid season breaks,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: and it's another one of these crisis points where if
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: he's not up for it, you've got to get rid
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of him. Because, as you spoke about, on the podcast
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: earlier in the week. You can't afford to keep a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: driver that's not performing because you will at some point
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: inevitably lose out to attend it is performing. In McLaren's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: performing very very well.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It feels like a red line is surely keeping hold
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of that constructor's championship lead. And I mean, look at
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: in Perry's hands. That match has been made clear. Red
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Bull Racing really doesn't want to have to sack in
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: particularly given it gave him a new contract a couple
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of months ago for next year. That is up in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the air obviously, but I mean, in my opinion, this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is something we'll talk about another day because we've got
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to wrap up, but it's hard to He'll need some
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: really truly significant performances in the second half of the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: year to convince Red Bull not just to see through
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to the end of this season, because that's the easier decision,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: but to have belief that he can do the job
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: next year, when all teams will start from zero and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: when we expect McLaren, maybe Mercedes and Ferrari to be
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: starting level with Red Bull Racing, and we know opportunity
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to build a buffer to carry Peries through the year.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So in that sense, you might argue that it's maybe
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: slightly greater chance than fifty percent that Daniel Ricardo might
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: get that seat at some point. But there's a lot
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of racing to go, a lot of this season still
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to come, and that is a question very much for
• 19:26
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• 19:28
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• 19:31
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• 19:52
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