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Hollywood has met its Kryptonite: An abused man who refuses to apologize | Maintaining Frame 54 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Johnny Badger Radio. My name is Brian and
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  I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame number fifty four. Hollywood has
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  met its kryptonite, an abused man who refuses to apologize. Where we're going
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  to be looking at an article from Time magazine entitled what Johnny Depp has become
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  We're basically looking at. This is in the aftermath in case you guys like
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  we're living under a rock for the past couple of years, the aftermath of
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  the it's a defamation trial, right between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Yes,
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  and well, do you want me to give it a gun down?
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  Yeah, I give the rundown because I was the one who watched it more
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  religiously than anybody else. Essentially, Johnny Depp sued Amber Heard for defamation because
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  she wrote an op ed in which she covertly referred to him as a wife
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  beater and a rapist. And the journy found that there was no credible evidence
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  for this. And yeah, then through the course of the trial, it
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  became glaringly obvious to a great many people that Amber herself was the abuser and
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  potential rapists. When you when you listen to some of the more disturbing parts
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  of their recorded relationship, which was recorded with permission of both parties. So
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  I don't know what the hell Amber thought she was going to be showing with
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  that, But there were parts where she was, shall we say, getting
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  incredibly aggressive and emotionally abusive and potentially physically abusing, abusive considering its Amber in
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  relation to wanting to have sex with Johnny Depp, which is just all kinds
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  of fucked up. So essentially, Amber just blamed him for everything she did.
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  And it's all caught on tape. It's all black and white, it's
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  all her own confessions or audio track of what she's doing in the moment.
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  So I mean, it's it's incontrovertible, and a lot of people have realized
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  it is, and I have gotten on his side. And of course what's
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  interesting about all of this is he knows he was abused by her. I
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  don't care if he had harsh words he spoke to another person about her harshly,
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  or even if he had harsh words when she was engaging in abusive or
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  and trapping behavior towards him. Okay, she was the primary abuser and I'm
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  going to use that term, okay. And what has happened is he knows
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  he was an abuse victim, and because he knows that, he is in
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  a position of moral I would say righteousness, but he's in a position of
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  moral judgment. Shall we say he has the right to judge help other people
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  are treating him in regards to his abuse. I'm not saying that he can
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  be abusive in turn to other people, but he is the right and he's
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  taking it to say, no, you're wrong, you're wrong about this,
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  you're lying about my life. I was there, I was the abuse victim.
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  She was not, and she he has all the evidence to back it
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  up. So what's interesting is that he refuses to back down. And Hollywood,
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  I guess, is flummixed by this. I know that he did take
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  a deal in order to get this woman out of his life, but he
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  has not backed down on what happened, or the fact that Hollywood and the
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  media are spinning an entire narrative around it that is completely false. And I
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  would suggest that the fact that he has been an abuse victim, and he
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  has recognized that he is an abuse victim, and he is refusing to acknowledge
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  and allow anybody to rewrite his life is well both a testament to him but
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  also the ultimate kryptonite for the media and Hollywood. And it's not even that
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  they will necessarily agree with him. It's that he's not going to back down
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  and says what he hasn't been doing so far, Ye okay, And that's
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  that's you know, it's very brave I think of him, and it's it's
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  something that ultimately, yeah, it's grave for any man to do that.
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  Although I will say that it's I'm not going to downplay the fact that because
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  he refuses to bow to their version of events and their reality, they're going
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  to continue to abuse him until he's dead and they're well beyond. This will
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  never end. This will never end for him. This is what happens when
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  a man is an abuse victim. The only reason why we see this in
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  this perpetual, never ending, churning cycle of lies that they're putting out around
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  him, is because he's a high profile male abuse victim and he's gonna end
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  like he's he's gonna be dealing with this his whole life because he has the
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  damn audacity to be a male abuse victim, and you've got to look at
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  this and just be like, just let it sink into your head, Let
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  it sink into your thinking. This is what happens when a man is an
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  abuse victim. The system itself continues to abuse him. Yep, to try
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  to silence him. Hey, he's going to have to live with this for
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  the audacity of being abused by a woman. It's just and it's because it's
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  against the narrative, against the money spinning narrative. But anyway, that's my
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  all right, So let us look at the article. So this is recent.
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  We know that that Johnny Depp defamation trial ended a while ago. But
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  the media, well, they can't let go, and they can't let go
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  because they know that what's at stake, at least in my opinion, is
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  not it's not about Johnny Depp. He's just the primary and prominent example.
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  There's something much larger at stake here. But notice throughout before we get into
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  it, I want people to notice how mealy mouthed this article is throughout.
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  Yeah, it doesn't ever make a definitive statement about anything. So essentially they
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  know that there's legal precedent now to establish that he's should not be referred to
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  as an abuser or at least not the exclusive abuser in the relationship, so
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  that they're tiptoeing around all of this. So they know they know that it's
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  factually wrong to refer to him as an abuser, and they know that they
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  open themselves up to legal spanking if they do so. So they're really really
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  careful about what they're saying, but at the same time, they really really
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  want to say it. It's yes, they do. It's it's absolutely despicable.
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  You know, years ago I did a video and you could see it
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  on the main channel Honey Badger radios. Where where are the Nazis? Um,
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  I'm not sure which news outlets I remember the one. It's the story
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  of the There were these like pro like marijuana advocates and they were in this
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  little gazebo and because there was they were like libertarians basically, and because there
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  was I guess rumor or something that those were like Nazis, like a massive,
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  a massive MASSI gathered and surrounded the gazebo, Yeah, where there were
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  like libertarians and pastors from the Church of Weed and a an in Indian American
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  like a subcontinent Indian American senatorial candidate making a speech. Yeah. So it
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  was absolutely absurd what the media created m and that's they are literally created.
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  They are literally creating realities, and they want to be able to do so
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  without any consideration for the truth. They now consider themselves to be basically an
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  arm of a religion, except a religion that has absolutely no track record of
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  being able to maintain a functional society. Yeah, okay, of course,
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  Okay, so we're getting into the article now. This is from Time magazine.
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  What Johnny Depp has become sounds a little ominous, doesn't it? A
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  little ominous? By Stephanie Zacarec, the aging process is kind to no one,
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  and that includes Johnny Depp. On Tuesday, Depth was here in Cannes
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  to walk the red carpet for the festival's opening night film. I'm sorry if
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  I'm pronouncing this wrong. My Wens misunderstood Mistress of Extravaganza Jean Duberry, in
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  which Depth plays King Louis the fifteenth, whose devotion to his favorite extramarital squeeze
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  brought scandal upon Versailles. When it was announced that a Depth film would be
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  opening the festival, murmurs of Sacrebia where heard far beyond the Kingdom, though
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  perhaps not so much in France. The festival itself has opened its arms wide
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  to Depth, who hasn't exactly been untouched by controversy in the past few years.
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  Given his involvement in two high profile defamation suits connected with allegations that he
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  physically abused his former wife and were heard and then in quotes in parentheses,
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  they say, the jury rule that Heard defamed Depth on three counts and awarded
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  him fifteen million dollars in damages. Depth was found guilt of one of three
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  charges in herds counterst wasn't and she was awarded two million in compensatory damages.
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  Okay, go ahead, what was that? Okay, all right, we
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  went through so much bullshit already. First of all, why is it that
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  these articles sound identical or very similar in content to the kind of abusive crap
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  Amber heard? Was ladling on Johnny Depp during the relationship, like the snide
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  little pokes about getting older, Like that's just mean girl crap. Yeah it
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  is. And also like saying, you know, like murmurs of soccer blue
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  were heard far beyond the Kingdom. Yeah, those sacre blue, but not
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  in France. So you saying soccer like stupid writing, stupid writing it is.
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  And then then it tops it all off with no. The damages were
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  ten million to debt Um, including a certain amount of and one million to
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  Amber heard that was what it ultimately came down to. The finding for amber
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  Heard wasn't because of Depth's actions. It was because of the actions of his
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  lawyer who was apparently working who was considered to be working for Depth when he
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  did this, even though I don't think he did under Depth's orders. So
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  that's that's that's neither here nor there. It's not germane. And it also
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  wasn't because because he alleged that she was abusive, which was amply proven.
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  It was because his lawyer alleged that she engaged in a conspiracy in order to
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  prove Depth's abuse, which was not proven. So they said that that conspiracy
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  was considered to be defamatory. Okay, okay, So that's completely different.
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  The fact is that Depth was considered to be factually innocent of what amber Heard
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  was alleging he did. Depp's lawyer was unable to prove that amber Heard engaged
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  in conspiracy in order to falsely accuse Johnny Depp, so that was considered defamation.
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  All right, So there's two very different things. It's a little bit
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  complicated, So I can understand why the media idiots can't understand, Well,
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  it's a little bit complicated. So I understand why the media, which probably
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  isn't very idiotic, is able to get away with simplifying it in such a
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  distorted manner to the idiots who still believe in the media. It's also that
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  they can essentially communicate something more sinister between the lines and have plausible deniability if
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  you call them out on it. So that's the game they're playing. It's
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  always words and the meanings of words, and using language that is more inflammatory
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  or unnecessary, but is manipulative enough to get people to think of things in
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  different way. I mean, why would you why would you point out that
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  only France was willing to open its arms to Depth's appearance when because because when
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  when you say murmurs of soccer Blue were heard far beyond the Kingdom, you're
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  basically saying everybody else hates him, but France for some reason got it in
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  their heads that he's okay and they let him come to their to the little
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  event, right. I mean, there's a lot suggested. They don't say
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  it because they need to be able to say I didn't say that, but
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  I think it's very very implied. And then they also um managed to uh
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  to get in a gibe against king, like, yeah, well, if
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  you've actually read about his life, he's he's he's definitely a good king for
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  depth to portray. Um, it's a good match, to be honest,
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  because he's he's a rock star. No, not the rock star thing,
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  um, which I don't think it's exactly what. It's that kind of weird
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  vulnerability, um, but sort of sinister and dark at the same time.
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  He was a very very interesting guy. Um. It was an interesting dynasty,
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  but well, apparently interesting is the reason why he ended up taking mistresses
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  was because his wife, who apparently he was very enamored of U and begat
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  like ten children on him are on her in ten years, basically said to
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  him, yeah, stop touching me. I'm not the barn door is closed,
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  the revolving door is closed. Because she just got tired of getting pregnant
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  and giving birth over and over and over again, which, um, you
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  know. And then he started taking mistresses because that's what you do when you're
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  the king of France. Um, you know. So it's it's it's not
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  quite as simple as they're making it out to be. And U and one
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  of the reasons why this particular individual, uh yeah, I'm not even gonn
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  attempt to pronounce it, because I can't pronounce French. But this mistress was
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  so controversial was because she came from a more common um stock. So she
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  wasn't like an aristocrat. She was actually from I think the petite bourgeois,
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  like a merchants. Very supposedly very rich, but not not of not a
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  blue blood, shall we say. So it caused a lot of scandal.
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  But this, you know, the king fifth Fifthlui the fifteenth was a bit
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  of a bit crazy, shall we say, not unsympathetic, but it's so
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  crazy, I would go with crazy. Although you apparently really he really like,
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  he really loved his kids and and um you also also his I think
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  it was his first or one of his most important mistresses was the Um Madame
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  Pompadour. Um. There might be a d in there somewhere that I'm missing,
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  um. But when she died, because by the end of the time,
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  by the time that she was getting to the end of her life,
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  um, and he had been with her for decades, UM, they weren't
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  actually having sex. They were just friends basically. And when she died,
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  he he bemoaned, he mourned it and said, well, who is going
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  to tell me the truth now, so you can see the kind of isolation
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  that he sort of existed within. And because Versailles was sort of almost as
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  much of like a little fish bowl than anything. And I mean it was
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  originally built by Louis the fourteenth to keep the nobles close close to him so
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  he could control them and not end up getting killed by them. So it
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  had sort of a fish bowl quality to it. And I don't know if
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  Louis the fourteenth was quite had quite the mental stamina of Louis the fifteenth in
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  order to endure it. And then there's Louie the sixteenth who've had to pay
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  the bill for all of that. And that actually is a really sad story.
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  I don't know if I should get into it, though, all right,
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  shall we begins? Continue keep going. So the allegations and the details
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  of the subsequent messy trials are horrifying enough by themselves. The trollish death fans,
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  oh go ahead, we're gonna say no. Actually, the only thing
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  is horrifying, truly horrifying, is Amber Heard's behavior and the media's behavior.
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  Yeah, basically, the horrifying thing is how quickly people like essentially cited against
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  Johnny Depp and the reaction, and of course even now after every thing else,
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  not one person has gone come public and said I'm gonna eat Crow because
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  I was wrong or I lied or something that. No one has done that.
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  In fact, everybody has doubled down or done something like this, which
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  is a kind of doubling down where you're basically, like, you know,
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  saying, well, it turns out you know this happened, but I think
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  that it's you know, it's still like, I don't like the way the
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  fans, the supporters of Depth acted, so therefore it makes it right that
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  I felt that way. All right. Anyway, the allegations and the details
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  of the subsequent messy trials are horrifying enough by themselves. The trollish Depth fans
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  who took to social media to harass Herd and the women who stood up for
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  her made the situation uglier. You'd have to have been cryogenically frozen through most
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  of twenty twenty two to have missed any of it. Yet, at the
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  festival's opening press conference on Monday, this in is It's seventy six addition,
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  Cann's chief the theory fremou I again sorry for butchering that for any Paris people
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  in the chat defended the festivals, any any cuissants in the chat, I
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  apologize for any scar goes. Um all right anyway, Can's chief Theory Fremo
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  defended the festival's choice to kick off with the film. Well, if there's
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  one person in this world who didn't find the least interest in this very publicized
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  trial, it's me, he said. I don't care what it's about.
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  I also care about Johnny Depp as an actor and quote, yeah, you
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  have any thoughts, I can say that, Um yea for this. Thank
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  god, there's some sense in the world. There's there's but there's a lot
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  of salt in that paragraph. I can there's on my lips. I can
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  taste it. Um yeah. And the funny thing is I was part I
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  watched the trollish depth fans he took to social media. They never you know
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  what they did. They simply just held the line and said, no,
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  she is the abuser. Yeah, of course, I mean that's how how
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  do these people define trollish? Is it like making videos or like putting together
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  a little mean video reality showing Amber saying exactly what she said and not taking
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  out of context, you know, pictures of your dogs being stung by bees
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  or you know whatever, you know. And the other thing is that they
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  don't mention is that this has been done. Like the people, the majority
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  of the people invested in this and who have been defending Johnny Depp or women,
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  yeah, well refused to back down, and they refused to recognize this
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  any of it. It doesn't and and and on their side, horriff like,
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  there is some really nasty abuse that they did. And like I said,
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  I've seen the social so called social media response for the most part,
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  the vast majority of it is just showing Amberhard's own statements and own confessions over
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  and over again and say, no, he is the victim here. He
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  was the victor by her own words. She admitted to victimizing him. So
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  for the most part, what they mean by the trollish debt fans, oh,
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  the horrible, horrible misogyny, is that these people refuse to acknowledge their
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  authority over reality. But the media has no authority over reality. You are
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  not the arbiters of reality, and they are not like the media. Of
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  all of the things that we are dealing with, corporations run amuck, government
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  run amuck, academia run amuck. The media is the least accountable to the
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  people, the least ye because at the very least operations eventually have to make
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  money off of consumers unless they're just getting perpetually bankrolled by Black Rock or the
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  FED. And the government has to at least give a pretense of being under
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  the control of voters. And academia does have to abide by students to some
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  degree, I mean, not too very much. I'm not saying that there's
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  a hell of a lot of oversight. Media is the only one that gets
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  to define reality with no input of the people who exist in that reality.
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  That should terrify people. That's why I put out that video on show Me
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  where the Nazis are in Boston or however I title it. Yeah, that's
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  why I put that out. I'm like, this is terrifying. That was
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  about I think twenty seventeen that I did that. Eighteen. Yeah, this
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  is this is a terrifying turn in which media can actually rewrite reality with no
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  oversight from the people who are in reality. Yeah they don't, Okay,
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  all right, So I got a super chat O Native Retroguez as five fifty
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  Canadian and says no, Alison, you called it right on the media the
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  first time. They are I think it's supposed to say chauvinistic. They are
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  chauvinistic idiots and don't care when it happens to men. Thank you for that
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  chauvinistic spell with Ah. They don't care. They don't care if it happens
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  to women either. They just want to use the term misogyny to silence people.
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  Yeah, that's including women. Yeah, like they did this to women,
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  female survivors of domestic violence who listen to this crap and saw themselves it
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  reflected in what Johnny had to go through, and they silenced them too,
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  because they don't give a fucking flip in anything about any of the groups that
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  they supposedly act at advocate for. All they do. All they care about
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  is those groups give them an off switch and the right to rewrite reality.
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  justice hip. Yes it really, I really appreciate it. Yes, he
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  would really do. Okay, okay, uh. Premo's ostrich head in the
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  sand act is disingenuous. How do we know that somebody's making some leaps?
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  But his last two statements and twine opposing ideas that bear thinking about. Is
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  it possible to care about acts depth may have committed to have may have right?
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  No, But that's again we're getting into this mealy mouth like language manipulation
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  territory where it's like, well, we don't have proof, but come on,
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  guys, come on, guys. It's a man, isn't it.
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  He's he's no angel. So anyway, that's what they're gonna do, right.
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  It comes it comes down to if he's not makes no sense to me?
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  What uh yeah, yeah, it comes down to it like it may
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  have committed, he means, so may not have committed, but you're asserting
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  anyway, Yeah, exactly, But this is unbelievable, This unproven probably still
• 27:38
  happened is what they want to actually actually proven false? But but I still
• 27:44
  want to assert it anyway may have happened in an alternative reality. Okay,
• 27:49
  but just read the whole fucking sentence, because imposing ideas that bear thinking about.
• 27:57
  Is it possible to care about Depth may have committed and to care about
• 28:03
  what happens to women when they come forward with allegations of domestic violence? Wait?
• 28:08
  Is it? It's compared to what? How are these two ideas twining
• 28:15
  together? You are saying they're one idea? Like, how is it possible
• 28:19
  to care about our acts acts Depth may have committed and care care about what
• 28:23
  happens to women when they come forward with acts allegations of domestic finals? How
• 28:27
  are these two opposed concepts? Well, what happens between? Like, like,
• 28:33
  the fact that we found Johnny Depp not guilty of the stuff that he
• 28:38
  that Amber heard lied about, is only going to ensure that no women ever
• 28:45
  come forward, and therefore men should just get thrown in jail, whether they
• 28:51
  did it or not, because it's the only way we know for sure that
• 28:52
  more women will come forward, and the only way to be sure. It's
• 28:56
  the only way to be sure, right, got a knot the site from
• 28:57
  orbit. It's the only way to be sure. I mean that's what she's
• 29:03
  saying. She's saying that because herd lied and the justice system finally worked because
• 29:10
  remember he lost to the sun before, but in this case, the justice
• 29:14
  system sort of worked out in the way that it should have, at at
• 29:18
  least in a more favorable way. And her concern is not man, you
• 29:22
  know, women can sure like do shit like this and destroy men's lives and
• 29:26
  break up families and ruin children, and they just get they just get off
• 29:30
  scott free. No, no, no. Her concern is but what about
• 29:33
  other women that want to lie about men? How can we protect those women?
• 29:38
  How can we protect other false accusers? Okay, all right, so
• 29:42
  I may have jumped the gun. I think the second intertwining thought is the
• 29:47
  next sentence. All right, I'll read it. I'll read it. I'm
• 29:51
  looking for a contrasting thought because yeah, I don't suspect we're gonna get much.
• 29:55
  But okay, I'm so I'm getting really really logically in the weeds.
• 29:59
  Yeah, I don't think this person is being logical. I think they're being
• 30:03
  emotionally manipulative. And also to care about giant Depp as an actor, as
• 30:07
  a performer, who at certain points of his career, if No longer was
• 30:11
  capable of bringing us the kind of joy that we go to the movies for
• 30:15
  in the first place. So this, okay, I just want to say
• 30:17
  really quick, because I know you're trumping at the bit, but this is
• 30:21
  an old tactic that the media has been doing an activist and feminists and academics
• 30:26
  and everybody else since this whole thing started. You are only defending giant Depp
• 30:33
  because you like him as an actor and you like his movies. No,
• 30:37
  that's not why No knew. How About he was being accused of something absolutely
• 30:45
  heinous, it destroyed his career, and it turns out that it was not
• 30:52
  true. How about that? How about the men who are going through similar
• 30:56
  things that see that and they're like, holy shit, that's what I'm going
• 31:00
  through, except I'm not Johnny Depp. So nobody gives a shit. It's
• 31:04
  anyway, that's impossible. Impossible, Brian, that impossible. It's it's impossible.
• 31:11
  Well because that's not their reality, not their reality therefore doesn't exist.
• 31:18
  But it's exactly right, Okay that this this framework is itself disingenuous, so
• 31:25
  funny because it's like this person is disingenuous. Now, let us give you
• 31:29
  an example of how disingenuous we are. This framework is a false dichotomy,
• 31:34
  like you were saying, Brian, Yeah, it's a dichotomy between UM supporting
• 31:41
  and they won't even come out with it because they know it's been proven false,
• 31:44
  as they say cabot acts may have committed, that may have committed in
• 31:48
  an alternate universe in Minecraft, and to care about what happens to women when
• 31:55
  they come forward with allegations of domestic violence, and also to care about Johnny
• 32:01
  Depp as an actor. No, no, no, how about as a
• 32:04
  human being who experienced violence and then being railroaded by the system for having the
• 32:10
  audacity to be an abusedment. Yeah, I'm just reiterating what you're saying,
• 32:16
  Brian. So yeah, it's just it's it's so weak, it's so weak.
• 32:22
  It's it's so weak. Yeah, it needs to me Like it's almost
• 32:25
  like if there was nothing but evidence that shows that he did it, there
• 32:30
  were people, there were people that'd be like, yeah, I mean,
• 32:31
  you're sure he's a wife beater. But Pirates of the Caribbean, though,
• 32:36
  is a good movie. Can we just let him go? Like, no,
• 32:38
  we don't do that. And also, I mean, if we do,
• 32:42
  it's for women. So you remember the story of that of the girl
• 32:46
  that was in um in the UK. She was going to a medical school.
• 32:52
  She like, y, yeah, the judgment, Well, she's got
• 32:55
  a bright career ahead of her. We don't want to ruin that. I
• 32:58
  mean, yeah, but you know she has a bright career ahead of her
• 33:05
  being responsible for vulnerable people that being a murderer has no, no, no
• 33:09
  bearing on that. Yeah, exactly, God damn, like just oh that's
• 33:14
  infuriating. But I just wanted to say, all right to this, what
• 33:21
  did I want to say? Damn it, now I've forgotten. I got
• 33:22
  so infuriated and sank my head for a moment. It's like you picked up
• 33:27
  you picked up my brain and shook it like an I'm gonna blame you,
• 33:30
  Brian, because that's the way it goes. Yeah, It's like, Okay,
• 33:39
  this is what I was gonna say. Even we don't do that,
• 33:43
  like men's rights activists don't do that. No. I remember when I was
• 33:46
  writing something a while back, and I was writing a scene in which one
• 33:51
  male character calls out another male character for sue doing something awful to a woman,
• 33:55
  and I was almost I was thinking, well, why should I do
• 33:58
  that? Should I be defending his big Even then I realized, no,
• 34:01
  I'm not going to let feminists or any messengersts to claim to give to say
• 34:08
  that they have the right to adjudicate over genuine incidences of a misogyny and to
• 34:15
  say that they're the ones who call that shit out. Bullshit. Yeah,
• 34:19
  nothing about men's issues advocacy is about justifying men being assholes to women. It's
• 34:27
  about not accepting it when women are assholes to men. It's as simple as
• 34:31
  that, you're making sure that women are held the same moral standard. All
• 34:38
  right, Yeah, all right. Though Death still has legions of hardcore fans
• 34:45
  who will not give up the black pearl for love of money. Quite a
• 34:50
  few of them showed up in cans on Tuesday Night to cheer him on.
• 34:54
  Many of us who used to love him can't look at him exactly as we
• 34:58
  did in the nineteen nineties. The depth of Johnny Brasco of What's Eating,
• 35:05
  Gilbert Grape of ed Wood and Dead Man. I like how she knows his
• 35:08
  whole filmography. But we're the super fans that like will let him, you
• 35:13
  know, just do whatever because pirates or whatever, because because Alice in Wonderland
• 35:21
  of What's Eating, Gilbert Grape of Edwood and Dead Man was magnificent to behold
• 35:25
  an actor of micro shaded subtlety and unforced charm. Even his roles in the
• 35:30
  earlier Tim Burton movies as a somber stammering Ichabod Crane and Sleepy Hollow or a
• 35:34
  winsome artificial boy in Edward Scissorhands, showed layers of depth within their expressionist stylization.
• 35:40
  His translucent, silent movie star skin, his eyes capable of shifting emotional
• 35:45
  colors within the space of a heartbeat. To watch him was to sink into
• 35:49
  the deepest pleasures an actor can give us. What would you start creating all
• 35:52
  over the fucking article like that? You know, it's all fine and good,
• 35:58
  but it has nothing to do with the like yes does it? Nor
• 36:04
  does it have to do with you know, him being recognized that cans canes
• 36:08
  how do you pronounced? Um? Okay? This is and also that's not
• 36:15
  what this is about. Like he's been found innocent. Yeah, basically yes,
• 36:22
  he's been found I mean not in a court of law or in terms
• 36:25
  of a criminal case, which ironically what never happened. But in terms of
• 36:32
  the standard of defamation, yeah, yeah, in a civil defamation case.
• 36:39
  And the fact is that you're just so sleazy, um, the fact that
• 36:45
  you have Depth in your spank bank, which is sort of creepy by the
• 36:51
  way, definitely. Yeah, like the fact that you're you know, when
• 36:55
  you when you go to town, when you're flicking the bean, you're you're
• 36:59
  shuffling through your roll, the decks of depth images in your head. Um
• 37:04
  does not have any bearing on whether or not we should forgive him, because
• 37:07
  there is nothing to forgive. Mm hmm. Okay, yeah, this is
• 37:14
  a this is a meaningless paragraph. I mean, it doesn't It doesn't serve
• 37:17
  anything. Which are you just trying to hit like a word count? Because
• 37:22
  this is this this is nothing. This is a nothing. This is oh
• 37:24
  here, here are the movies that he did that I liked. Care I
• 37:29
  don't care. I mean I like him too as an actor, but that's
• 37:31
  not what this is about. So then Depth began to hide or allow himself
• 37:37
  to be hidden in the bedraggled pirate ruffles and rock star eyeliner of the Dismal
• 37:43
  Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Are they dismal? And the look at me
• 37:46
  multitone pancake of Tim Burton's exhaustedly eccentric, eccentric characters. His lost boy Naivete
• 37:53
  began to come off as stick in the Pirates movies, his googly eyed mannerisms
• 37:58
  drove audiences wild. Why bother with acting when gimmick gree will do the trick?
• 38:02
  So now she's just criticizing his acting. Now she's just being a mean
• 38:08
  girl. Yeah crap, what is that? Yeah? And also ages,
• 38:13
  m my god, how dare he age? Yeah, like the rest of
• 38:19
  us? Or after becoming a father, how dare he be more interested in
• 38:23
  characters that he knows his children would enjoy, or children period would enjoy?
• 38:28
  Considering how he's gone to like, um, cancer wards, kids, cancer
• 38:34
  wards to entertain them, you know, like, how dare how dare he
• 38:38
  change? You know? Um? Okay, this is this is again a
• 38:45
  bit of nothing. It is it's it's just it's just mean girl chatting.
• 38:51
  Yeah, it's kind of sick, to be honest, Yeah it is.
• 38:53
  And then she talks about oh oh, all of the social trollish meet death
• 38:58
  fans, what do you think you were doing? Yeah? Really, what
• 39:01
  are simultaneously sexualizing this man, how are you and saying get a job right
• 39:07
  in your time? That's what I want to know. Your your sexual interest
• 39:10
  in this man has some kind of bearing on this conversation, which it doesn't.
• 39:15
  Yeah, okay, and then you're you're engaging in lukism and agism.
• 39:22
  You're you're just mean girling, and then you have the audacity to call out
• 39:27
  people on Twitter. Okay, you know, it would have been better if
• 39:31
  the whole conversation had kept to the facts of the matter. But I know
• 39:37
  that human's got a human so there's gonna be mean girls on both sides.
• 39:42
  However, the facts remain in the facts, and that should really be the
• 39:45
  only story that should be that should be the only story. Yep, Okay,
• 39:52
  So I got another super chat from Albert Data retro gives us five fifty
• 39:55
  Canadian and says agreed Allison. On December six, media talks about Montreal massacre
• 40:00
  and men's mental health is never brought up, and that was at the root
• 40:05
  of Lapine's actions. Of course, it was. Yeah, nobody picks up
• 40:10
  a gun and kills people because their their privileged in having a great day.
• 40:16
  Yeah, right, this doesn't happen, okay, and um, there's a
• 40:24
  lot of things going on behind that that are pretty much hidden. First of
• 40:30
  all, his um, his cultural ancestry. People don't talk about that.
• 40:37
  UM. And also, violent people are a tiny minority of everyone, just
• 40:45
  like Andrea Yate. What was it, Andrea Yates? The woman who killed
• 40:49
  her kids? Uh? You know, I think so. I'm not sure
• 40:54
  it's buried in our story list. So okay, Carlamulka, all right,
• 41:00
  I wouldn't get behind anyone who's like Carla Homolka. We got to look,
• 41:07
  we gotta make all women take responsibility for the actions of Carla Homolka. Okay,
• 41:13
  No, that's bullshit. And that isn't an act and an example of
• 41:17
  toxic masculinity, it's an example of criminal mindset. Yes, all right,
• 41:23
  well, of course they would say that those are one and the same.
• 41:27
  Um. And also his victims were not feminists, right, they were masculine
• 41:32
  women who do things that are not expected. And um. Ever since feminism
• 41:37
  there are fewer women in engineering. Ever since feminism got in ascendency in academia,
• 41:45
  there have been fewer women in engineering. Interesting recently, recently, since
• 41:51
  all this transgender stuff, you know, like this is becoming more more in
• 41:57
  the public eye. Um, for some reason, there's been an increase in
• 42:01
  women in STEM. But I'm wondering if that's mostly driven by transgender women.
• 42:07
  I wouldn't be surprised. But anyway, in the eighties there used to be
• 42:10
  a lot more female engineers and computer scientists, and then feminism, the feminist
• 42:15
  nation, attacked, and uh, I guess masculine women ran away from those
• 42:22
  professions into something else, probably because of the framework of activism, something something
• 42:30
  less interesting. I'm productive. Well, they think could consider the frame framing.
• 42:36
  You go into these because you're a victim of them. Yeah, like
• 42:40
  that, why would you go? Okay? But my ultimate point is that
• 42:45
  he attacked masculine women, women with masculine interests, and then feminists take that
• 42:52
  on as their cause. Um, it's not yeah, because you guys hate
• 42:58
  you hate masculine women, feminist. I know people are like, oh,
• 43:01
  feminism is about No, it's not about masculinizing women. I don't know any
• 43:06
  man who spends his entire life whining about how he's a victim like that.
• 43:09
  That's not a male thing at all, you know, that's I don't know
• 43:15
  when that became a male thing, nor do I nor do adult men usually
• 43:24
  do the kinds of nasty things that feminists think men do, you know,
• 43:31
  and then when they when they act like a man, they do you know
• 43:37
  what I'm talking about, Yeah, being an asshole to other people, being
• 43:40
  overly angry, swaggering, that kind of thing usually the kind of stuff that
• 43:45
  nobody likes in men. And then they're they're suddenly well, you only care
• 43:51
  about it because I'm a woman doing it. No nobody likes it men.
• 43:53
  In fact, there if you're if you're an angry man, you get worse
• 43:57
  treatment than if you're an angry woman. He hit the cots, called on
• 44:00
  you, you get to go spend time in jail. But anyway, this
• 44:04
  is a bit of a digression. Let's keep back to the all right,
• 44:06
  all right, uh so, thanks for the super chat Albert, and let
• 44:10
  me just don't don't forget the super chows. I don't forget the superchows.
• 44:15
  We get more of that if you use super chat instead, it's fine,
• 44:19
  but YouTube will take a good chunk. So if you don't want YouTube to
• 44:22
  take your money that you want to give to us, send us super Chow
• 44:27
  through feedabatcher dot com. Forward slash just the tip, all right, So
• 44:30
  what's up, rumble squad, give us, give us a holler. Okay,
• 44:36
  we're gonna move on. Um. According to the current rules of how
• 44:40
  we're supposed to view male artists accused of unspeakable behavior, it should be easier
• 44:45
  to despise Debt as a human being now that it's become so hard to defend
• 44:50
  him as an actor. Righteous anger is the easiest. What Yeah, I'll
• 45:00
  read it again. According to the current rules, which I don't know whose
• 45:05
  rules those are, but I guess there are rules, and she's decided them.
• 45:07
  Of how we're supposed to treat or view male artists accused of unspeakable behavior,
• 45:15
  it should be easier to despise Depth as a human being now that it's
• 45:19
  become so hard to defend him as an actor. Times was this article written
• 45:24
  in shit in the looney bin? Yeah? Like who? Who? Who
• 45:30
  are these imaginary think people that this person has dreamed up? Well? Are
• 45:35
  they? I think I think that? So they? Okay, so the
• 45:38
  media and Hollywood and all these other organizations they have they have successfully demonized with
• 45:46
  insufficient evidence, plenty of male celebrities destroying their careers, destroying their future.
• 45:53
  Okay, plenty of them as he's I'm sorry doesn't get work anymore. Um.
• 45:59
  You know, they came after Michael Jackson after his passing. And if
• 46:01
  you think that Michael Jackson um was treated fairly, I would suggest you go
• 46:07
  to look up razorfist Michael Jackson. You will find that he has done a
• 46:13
  lot of homework on this and that this guy was miss he was unfairly characterized,
• 46:17
  I will say. And he won his case, by the way,
• 46:21
  and they only came after him after he died because he couldn't defend himself that
• 46:24
  way, so they can make a quick buck um and so many others like
• 46:29
  Bill Cosby, etc. Right, And I think that was anybody who's who's
• 46:35
  freaking out about mentioning Bill Cosby. It looks like the case is falling apart
• 46:37
  on appeal. Yeah, well the case against Bill Cosby because even if even
• 46:44
  if, even if it happened, don't use doctor tapes as evidence. Yeah
• 46:49
  right, Well, See that's my point is this is why they're not reporting
• 46:52
  on any of this stuff. Like and we we've been we're trying to follow
• 46:55
  up, but like the media is not going to tell us. Oh,
• 46:59
  it turns out you know, Bill Cosby's the case against him is falling apart
• 47:01
  and he might be innocent, No, because that ruins, like so many
• 47:07
  other more political things that they've been built up. This is it's not just
• 47:10
  about the Me too movement, but that's a big part of it. But
• 47:14
  what's what is I think the biggest part of it is the ability to point
• 47:17
  at a man and if he's high profile, very famous, and everyone knows
• 47:21
  him, they can use that as an avatar for all men and say this
• 47:24
  is what men are like. And so Depp got out of that. He
• 47:29
  managed to avoid that because Amber heard was so bad at lying and the evidence
• 47:34
  just was not in her favor. And so you know, he's now he's
• 47:38
  he's in the clear. You know, he's smelling like a rose more or
• 47:43
  less. And these people are pissed off because it damages the narrative, it
• 47:47
  damages a wider conversation that they're trying to have, and he was just one
• 47:52
  of the people they wanted to use. And the fact that he was like
• 47:54
  this, you know, like kind of like heartthrow figure, like early in
• 48:00
  his career as opposed to the others, that only makes it more powerful because
• 48:06
  they can say, look, this is the guy that you, you ladies,
• 48:08
  thought was so sweet, and he's an abuser, so you know,
• 48:12
  like that. That's why they're they're they're so stuck on this, that's why
• 48:15
  they're trying to reframe this as well, you only like him because he's an
• 48:20
  actor and he did movies you like. No, it's not even about liking
• 48:23
  him. I don't know him, but I know he's innocent. I know
• 48:27
  that what you're accusing him of is not true. I know that there's evidence
• 48:30
  that backs that up. That's the reason why I feel that way. It's
• 48:34
  got nothing to do with my thoughts on his fucking movies, you know,
• 48:37
  or or if he was or whatever. So, yeah, he's she's constructing
• 48:43
  a position for her opposition, which is what they feel like. Media feels
• 48:45
  like they have the right to do. Yeah, they can't just have their
• 48:47
  own opinions. They have the right to determine what our opinions are too,
• 48:52
  Yes, of course, And okay, just keep going on this paragraph.
• 48:57
  Yeah, okay. Righteous anger is the easiest fix for complex, possibly conflicting
• 49:04
  feelings. This is gaslighting. Oh you must be really conflicted and confused because
• 49:08
  you like him, but he's a bad person even defending the artistry of a
• 49:14
  great or once great filmmaker or actor. It could be Roman Polanski, Woody
• 49:17
  Allen, or Bernardo BERTOLICI see, they're just throwing in other names that you
• 49:22
  know they have faced controversy, but they have nothing to do with this case.
• 49:27
  Right, Who has either committed or been accused of committing a heinous act
• 49:30
  is enough to get you branded a traitor? Why is it then, when
• 49:35
  Roman Polanski fled the country, all the women, the female actresses that were
• 49:40
  winning Oscars were giving him so much praise. Anyway, why did they kiss
• 49:45
  Harvey Weinstein's ass for like, for their whole career until recently? And of
• 49:51
  course that's not going to come up, right because he was a monster.
• 49:53
  But I didn't want to say anything bullshit, Okay, Anyway, who has
• 50:00
  either committed or been accused of committing a heinous act is enough to get you
• 50:04
  branded a trader? Yeah, I'm in a world that's increasingly small. Like,
• 50:08
  here's the thing, this is something that I predicted a while about.
• 50:12
  They're they're part of the misery machine. They are going to do this until
• 50:17
  there's just two people left, both of whom are trying to throw each other
• 50:21
  out of the of the of the smoking creator that they have created through cancel
• 50:24
  culture. Like you, You exist, Stephanie, and I think it's good
• 50:29
  with this woman's name is Stephanie. You exist in an increasingly irrelevant and smaller
• 50:36
  and smaller area. Yeah, you people care about Hollywood because you do good
• 50:40
  stories, or you did, but you don't anymore because you were glamorous,
• 50:45
  but you aren't anymore because you were thought provoking, which you don't do anymore.
• 50:51
  You do nothing. You have absolutely no value proposition whatsoever except currently your
• 50:55
  contacts and the control over the media. But the more people wake up to
• 51:01
  the total bullshit machine that you are, the smaller and smaller and smaller your
• 51:06
  pool is. And then you have also the fact that you're destroying yourself.
• 51:10
  You're tearing yourself apart like a low key French revolution. You're just finding the
• 51:15
  next head roll, which is making you, as a group, the media
• 51:22
  and Hollywood smaller and smaller and smaller and less and less relevant. But so
• 51:27
  continue to do what you're doing. Yeah, maybe it won't happen in my
• 51:30
  lifetime, but there will be a point where you have a final squeak,
• 51:35
  a self righteous rage and then you basically throw yourself out of yourself like the
• 51:42
  single person that you cancel yourself of self righteous rage cancels herself and the rest
• 51:49
  of the world won't even hear it. Yep, okay, all right,
• 51:54
  anyway, essays clear dead error has just written a whole book about how we
• 52:02
  should feel about what she calls monstrous men. It's not what somebody ask somebody's
• 52:10
  launching a book. It's a head, and it's a head. How do
• 52:15
  he solved a problem like Harvey Weinstein? I don't know, Maybe don't fuck
• 52:19
  him when he offers you a job. I mean, like, you know,
• 52:22
  they like, I'm sorry, but I can't. I can't jump on
• 52:27
  that bandwagon. You know. The ladies chose what they chose. They can't
• 52:30
  they can't like regret it. Now, that's how we ended up with so
• 52:34
  many other problems. It's basically like making women completely unaccountable for their choices.
• 52:38
  So, hey, you don't like him, why do you fuck him because
• 52:43
  you want to be rich and famous? Shut the fuck up and sit down.
• 52:45
  You're done, Okay, It's it was consensual, you know it.
• 52:50
  Stop. You haven't been able to prove anything otherwise. So and if you
• 52:53
  knew for all this time, okay, and you didn't do anything. That's
• 52:58
  on you. You should have done something thing anyway. Um, but of
• 53:02
  course, see this, this is what I'm saying. This is what I
• 53:05
  mean when I say these allegations are not about the individual like for these people,
• 53:12
  it's not about the guy being accused. It's about creating a um,
• 53:17
  the the illusion that this is something that all men do. And they have
• 53:22
  to literally lie about the men that are being accused in order to construct this
• 53:25
  illusion. So they they're like, because like, you know, this stuff
• 53:30
  mostly falls apart. How come you know there was like this guy I don't
• 53:34
  forget his name, but there was this guy. I think he was a
• 53:36
  wrestler or an Olympic olympian of some type or something, and he, like
• 53:42
  you know, had a fit of rage and he killed his family and of
• 53:45
  course he was just not stable. I think it was. They said it
• 53:49
  was Royd rage. I don't know if that's true. But the point is
• 53:52
  that guy doesn't get brought up because that's he's not big enough in their mind.
• 53:57
  He's not famous enough or wasn't. I think he's dead now, Um,
• 54:00
  you know, in their mind it's got to be these extremely high profile
• 54:06
  famous people. Bill Cosby was going to he was he was critical of what
• 54:10
  was happening in the black population. He wanted to change it. He was
• 54:14
  going to buy a network, he was going to bring back his show or
• 54:16
  do something like it. And then all of a sudden, these allegations come
• 54:21
  out and that that's not gonna happen. That's dead, that's gone. Because
• 54:24
  he wanted to do something about like the problem of fatherlessness, and he wanted
• 54:29
  to address it in the way that he knows how through entertainment. They just
• 54:35
  Harvey Weinstein is an avatar. It's not about him. It's like in every
• 54:38
  one of these cases, it's about taking someone, a man that's high profile,
• 54:44
  and then making him into a monster and then saying showing that to the
• 54:47
  world and saying, this is what men are like. That's what it's about.
• 54:52
  Yeah, just yeah, And you know what the dynamic that it feeds
• 54:58
  into is this whole idea of the one good man. When they do that,
• 55:01
  every time they present this image and they say this is what men are
• 55:06
  like, there are rich men who just run to give them money because they
• 55:13
  want to prove to the world that they are the one good man who isn't
• 55:17
  like that, and that this is what they're used to ye, and I
• 55:21
  you know, I don't even want to get into Harry Weinstein. I don't
• 55:23
  even know why these people are being mentioned in the same context, same thing.
• 55:30
  That's why, Yeah, I know, that's what I let me.
• 55:34
  Let me put this out. I don't want to defend Weinstein, Okay,
• 55:38
  I'm not going to defend him here in this context. You know, it
• 55:43
  looks like his his particular case maybe falling apart. Two. I don't want
• 55:49
  to defend these guys in this context. And it's not it's not saying that
• 55:52
  I wouldn't defend it with more information or any other situation. But this is
• 55:57
  wrong to do. On another level, you are taking a man who is
• 56:01
  provably an abuse victim, and you are lumping him in with men who are
• 56:07
  alleged to have engaged in abuse just because they these two groups are alleged to
• 56:13
  have engaged in abuse by some woman like this guy not only hasn't abused anyone,
• 56:23
  he was the abuse victim. Yeah, okay, yeah like that.
• 56:28
  That's that's a whole nother level of total the fucked up. Yeah right,
• 56:32
  absolutely, And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, Yes, Bill
• 56:37
  Cosby maybe railroaded. Harry Weinstein looks like some there's new things coming out all
• 56:43
  these other people. I don't know if I'm going to defend Roman Plansky at
• 56:45
  all, but no, I'm I don't know, but I don't really.
• 56:50
  Yeah, but what I'm saying is that these names have no bearing whatsoever to
• 56:58
  what's happening with Johnny Depp and why people are defending him. So the fact
• 57:04
  is that she's just creating a cloud of stink and trying to apply it to
• 57:07
  him, all right, And I don't even think we need to go into
• 57:10
  whether or not these these other guys should be defended. They shouldn't be in
• 57:15
  this article in the first place. Yeah, sure, okay, because all
• 57:20
  she's doing is smearing Johnny, mentioning them. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
• 57:24
  she's trying to She's trying to uh, guilt by association all of these people,
• 57:31
  which you know, they their their individuals. Some of them are probably
• 57:35
  guilty, some of them may not be. I don't know. But the
• 57:37
  point is she doesn't care about that. She cares about making it look the
• 57:42
  only thing that unites them, is that they were falsely or they were accused
• 57:45
  of something. Yeah, she's not writing about um, you know, uh
• 57:52
  Asia Argento who was like banging some underage kid, some boy, She's not
• 57:58
  writing about that, you know. So it's it's because they're men, and
• 58:01
  because they're famous and high profile, and there's an opportunity, you know.
• 58:06
  Okay, let's let's do the next All right, let's I got another super
• 58:09
  chat from I got two Actually, Albernada gives us five fifty again. Canadian
• 58:15
  says, for the record, I'm not a fan of most of Johnny Depp's
• 58:19
  films and the comments he directed at Prez forty five. We're discussing. It's
• 58:22
  a matter of right is right? Yes, Well that's just it. I
• 58:25
  mean, that's what we're saying, Like none of that other stuff matters,
• 58:29
  Like, Okay, is he is he guilty or not? Then why are
• 58:30
  you acting like he is? That's and that's the important thing. Right.
• 58:35
  Then he gives another five fifty and says, Chris ben Wah is the wrestler
• 58:38
  you're thinking about or talking about. He killed his wife, his son,
• 58:40
  and himself. He had all kinds of brain damage and mental health problems.
• 58:45
  Yeah, so Um, yeah, that's what I remembered when I saw it.
• 58:50
  It's Chris ben Wah who is who I was talking about. Again,
• 58:52
  you know, we don't really know the details about that, but it's it's
• 58:58
  I think there's a reason why she didn't use that because it wasn't high profile
• 59:01
  enough. It was not it's it's out of fashion, right, it was
• 59:05
  too long ago or something so well. Literally I found the revelation behind all
• 59:10
  of this why they do all of this. It was from the national I
• 59:15
  think Alliance against Domestic Violence, no Association against Domestic Violence, and the individual
• 59:23
  who is who is the chairman or chairwoman of that association essentially said that the
• 59:29
  Johnny Depp affair was no good for them because it didn't it didn't get the
• 59:32
  money spinning. Yep. Then that's what it's about at the end of the
• 59:37
  day, that's what it's about. It's not about helping women. It's about
• 59:40
  using their issues to make money period. Yep. Okay, next, and
• 59:49
  you know that is different than advocacy for for women's issues. I mean,
• 59:52
  you could be an advocate, but not with those kinds of financials and not
• 1:00:00
  you can't Okay, you can't be an advocate for women's issues. If you
• 1:00:02
  are ignoring half of the data, I'm just gonna put it right out.
• 1:00:06
  Yeah, you can't. If you ignore, If you ignore solutions informed by
• 1:00:09
  actual science in favor of advertising copy informed by money, then you are not
• 1:00:20
  for women, period. Okay, exactly, all right. Um, it's
• 1:00:27
  normal to feel troubled or conflicted about artists we love or once loved. But
• 1:00:30
  we've somehow been conditioned to believe that even conflicted feelings are bad. God forbid.
• 1:00:36
  We hold two or more ideas in our heads at once. Are you
• 1:00:39
  confessing that you don't like it? In your smoking crater? Will enjoy it
• 1:00:44
  until you until you learn to stand up to the mean girls and just speak
• 1:00:47
  your truth, you're going to live in the smoking crater has left the building.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, reality has left the building, you know. And to be
• 1:00:57
  honest, there's there's a there's a song that someone gave to me in a
• 1:01:05
  video. It was called, Um, Lady Hell, what it's like in
• 1:01:10
  Lady Hell? This? This woman is in lady Hell? Yeah, you
• 1:01:16
  know there are no men in lady Hell because they don't want you don't get
• 1:01:22
  any relief from hell. I was astounded, how honest this this, this
• 1:01:30
  lyricist was in Lady Hell. Um. You you want to be seen,
• 1:01:36
  but you're never seen. You want to be talked about, but nobody's talking
• 1:01:38
  about you. You want to be the center of attention, but nobody cares.
• 1:01:43
  Everybody else is just thinking about who they are and what they're doing,
• 1:01:46
  you know. And and I'm like, yeah, man, this is on
• 1:01:50
  the dot. You are in Lady Hell. Stephanie, you are in Lady
• 1:01:53
  Hell. Welcome to the desert of the feminine. Yeah, exactly. Um,
• 1:02:05
  all right, moving on. I no longer have much invested in who
• 1:02:09
  the actor Johnny Depp is today, and I have serious doubts about what he
• 1:02:14
  must be like as a human being. But watching him both in Jehan Duberrrie
• 1:02:20
  and on the Red Carpet, and reading the reports coming through this morning about
• 1:02:23
  how moved he was to have received such a warm welcome in Cans only made
• 1:02:29
  me miserable. Oh well, so a Cope and Seed, Lady Cope and
• 1:02:35
  Steve. Yeah, but what why would that make you miserable? Like,
• 1:02:40
  because he's not suffering anymore else and he needs to be abused more by his
• 1:02:45
  fans and by everybody. Basically, she's convinced. And this is the thing
• 1:02:52
  that they that they always do too, that even though he won on the
• 1:02:58
  basis of a lack of evidence Unheard's part and an overwhelming amount of evidence on
• 1:03:04
  Jadepp's part, that he somehow us his male privilege to abuse herd and get
• 1:03:09
  away with it and come out smelling like a rose. This is what's so
• 1:03:15
  assounding, and that this is what's so astounding about this system. That's exactly
• 1:03:19
  what's going to happen folks in this system, and this system as it's currently
• 1:03:22
  arranged, if an abused man actually sees justice fifty like the media and academia
• 1:03:31
  and the government will see that as an abuser getting away with hit and then
• 1:03:37
  use it as evidence why we should fill the loopholes, like somehow Johnny Depp
• 1:03:44
  has done something against the rules by being a male abuse victim who actually got
• 1:03:50
  saw justice done that somehow that's that's against the rules. Those rules only work
• 1:03:55
  for women, not against them. Even despite the fact that the woman is
• 1:04:00
  the abuser. Yep. And it's not that I don't think she. I
• 1:04:08
  really think that this mentality is simply the mentality of something someone who sees so
• 1:04:13
  deeply invested in the idea that society exists for her benefit, that when something
• 1:04:20
  like this happens to a woman, all she can see is how Amber Heard
• 1:04:26
  is a victim of society failing to protect her. And they literally can't see
• 1:04:33
  that. No, actually, Amber Heard didn't deserve to win, because in
• 1:04:38
  their mind it doesn't matter. Amber Heard could have beaten Johnny Depp unconscious every
• 1:04:44
  day of their relationship, and this woman would still say one moment where Johnny
• 1:04:49
  was like, please stop hitting me with his fist, bitch, that would
• 1:04:53
  mean that Johnny is the abuser. Well, and even if and if she
• 1:05:00
  never did anything except receive her fist, she would consider that to be a
• 1:05:06
  net neutral and potentially, Johnny Depp, why were you making her so angry?
• 1:05:12
  You know that you exist, You exist as a man and as a
• 1:05:16
  society to make sure that women feel good about themselves. Why are you a
• 1:05:23
  failure? Why are you an abuser? That that's the attitude, the level
• 1:05:29
  of entitlement. Like they live in entitlement, yep, and they want to
• 1:05:36
  see it. They want to see a world in which even a provable female
• 1:05:42
  abuser can still be treated as an abuse victim on her word alone. Yeah,
• 1:05:49
  and that's not a world that is sustainable in any sense of the word.
• 1:05:56
  It is a world at war with itself. Good lord, anyway,
• 1:06:01
  welcome to Lady Hill. Yeah, yep, that's right. Let's finish this.
• 1:06:08
  Okay, let's see but what okay? Jean Duberry is gleamingly tastefully handsome,
• 1:06:16
  as well as sometimes thunderously dumb, but it's not unwatchable. My Wayne
• 1:06:23
  herself plays the Countess Duberry, though in only a few scenes does she wear
• 1:06:28
  the typical eighteenth century beehive of powdered hair. Mostly her locks flow anachronistically wild
• 1:06:32
  and free, like Stephanie Seymour in the nineties. Why are you telling me
• 1:06:38
  this? What does this have to do with anything? She plays Jean as
• 1:06:41
  the fun gal of Hersailles, wearing big clown stripes, donny breeches and ruffles
• 1:06:45
  and tromping around on horseback kissing the King behind a napkin at formal dinners.
• 1:06:49
  And she owns a black child given to her by her paramour, the King.
• 1:06:54
  But don't hold that against her. She's really nice to him. Right.
• 1:07:00
  Why do you put owns and quotes there? Um? I mean yeah,
• 1:07:04
  when you put owns and quotes that means you mean these that that's not
• 1:07:09
  true, right when well, yeah, that means that you're implying that it
• 1:07:13
  isn't the case. Um like when when Angelia Jolie like African kids because she
• 1:07:20
  can't have kids of her own or doesn't want to, does she own them
• 1:07:25
  as well? Is there something wrong with that? Or I don't see what
• 1:07:29
  you know, let's not even dive into that. Yeah, I know,
• 1:07:30
  I know, I know. It's just it's just there's a lot of like
• 1:07:33
  these little things that are that are thrown in that are supposed to suggest something.
• 1:07:38
  So as the ruler who ostensibly adores her Depth in some scenes, his
• 1:07:42
  cheeks and lips monstrously rouged, almost in a garish Edward scissor hands approximation,
• 1:07:48
  merely looks like a guy who has no idea how he landed in Versailles.
• 1:07:53
  His lines delivered in French have a waxy stiffness. His eyes look beaty and
• 1:07:58
  glazed, as if all his eye lashes have been burned off. This is
• 1:08:01
  Depth's most high profile film in years, but it's less a comeback than a
• 1:08:05
  tepid lurching into a very small spotlight. I gotta watch this. I gotta
• 1:08:12
  watch this. Also, do you know anything about Louie the fifteenth? Sounds
• 1:08:15
  like gap got it on the nose? Yeah, right, Like the guy
• 1:08:20
  was not well and he was pretty crazy, and he he was he had
• 1:08:29
  his issues. It's not a job to do though a job. Sometimes he
• 1:08:35
  just sort of descended into madness and was just like, I'm I'm you know
• 1:08:40
  this. Okay, this doesn't sound like it's inconsistent with Louie the fifteenth.
• 1:08:45
  All right, I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, the photos and
• 1:08:49
  footage of Dap on the red carpet don't make the story any happier. He
• 1:08:54
  looked to be pleased by the attention, but there was also something tentative about
• 1:08:58
  him, as if he'd lost his grip on this particular reality, the false
• 1:09:01
  reality of a crowd's adoration at a place like hands, and was very slowly
• 1:09:06
  getting it back. You know what, this is a really creepy paragraph because
• 1:09:10
  it's like you're seeing an X ray into a predator's skull and how they actually
• 1:09:15
  think. Because you know that sociopaths can pick up on people who are abused
• 1:09:20
  and how they move, which is why a lot of times people who are
• 1:09:25
  abused keep ending up in relationships with toxic people. It's because they give off
• 1:09:30
  or the sociopath picks up on certain qualities. Right, this woman sounds like
• 1:09:39
  a sociopath, and this is a sociopath's opinion of someone who's abused. Yeah,
• 1:09:45
  like she thinks that he's up to something, or she thinks that there's
• 1:09:53
  something wrong with him. No, he has endured social ostracization and condemnation and
• 1:10:03
  judgment for six years based on being a victim of someone else's abuse and then
• 1:10:11
  a victim of their false accusations. Of course, he's acting tentative in the
• 1:10:16
  face of people's support of him because at some level he's expecting, not support,
• 1:10:26
  He's expecting your predatory bullshit, Stephanie. And it's like, it's unbelievable.
• 1:10:32
  She can't even see that. It's like listening to the thoughts of a
• 1:10:36
  reptile clicking what did human doing? You know? Yeah, I just thought
• 1:10:48
  she was mind reading, Like, oh, you know, because it is
• 1:10:51
  love mind reading. Yeah, but this is not. She's looking at his
• 1:10:56
  behavior and maybe predators, like human predators, when they look at people who
• 1:11:01
  have been abused, this is what they think. They're like, there's something
• 1:11:05
  off about them. I gotta go over and start being mean them, you
• 1:11:12
  know. And so we're just seeing a little little X ray into a psycho's
• 1:11:16
  head right there. Yeah, this is some you know, American psycho shit
• 1:11:23
  right there. Thank you, Stephanie. It's not something I really wanted today,
• 1:11:27
  but there we are. At least I've learned something. But that's that's
• 1:11:31
  what I'm getting from this paragraph because she can't. It's pretty gross. Yeah,
• 1:11:39
  it's gross, like you don't see. Of course, he's going to
• 1:11:43
  be tentative. He's been abused for the last six years by crowds and media,
• 1:11:48
  and suddenly he's having people embrace him and support him. It can feel
• 1:11:57
  like a false reality when you're a victim to be supported. Hm, And
• 1:12:04
  she's making it out into something that's punishable instead. Yep, okay, final
• 1:12:13
  paragraph? Is this the final paragraph? Oh yeah? Reclaiming that false reality
• 1:12:17
  is likely to do Depth more harm than good. A twenty eighteen Rolling Stone
• 1:12:21
  profile by Stephen Roderick, written in the aftermath of the Depth Herd breakup,
• 1:12:27
  show the actor spending much of his time locked away in a mansion fortress,
• 1:12:30
  guzzling expensive wine. Reportedly more than thirty thousand dollars worth each month and nursing
• 1:12:35
  the depths of his melancholy. Depth is an adult. He's about to turn
• 1:12:41
  sixty. He has made his own decisions and created his own problems. But
• 1:12:45
  I don't think anyone who truly cares about acting an actor should feel happy about
• 1:12:48
  what he's become. To see him looking, well, we'll find out what
• 1:12:54
  she's going to say. To see him looking as if all the life has
• 1:12:57
  been sucked out of him, not to mention there being jowishness, the deepening
• 1:13:01
  frown lines and other physical indignities that come with getting older, is akin to
• 1:13:06
  watching a bird fall from the sky, though birds, unlike men, don't
• 1:13:12
  bring about their own downfall. Oh, because men they do that. See
• 1:13:15
  what I mean by this being about men? White More broadly, Depth is
• 1:13:18
  a nest of tragedies, an extraordinarily gifted man who has most likely hurt others
• 1:13:25
  as well as himself most likely most We can replace all that with not.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, like all of your mealy mouthed oh, I don't want to run
• 1:13:34
  a foul of actual reality bullshit. You know, we can just replace with
• 1:13:41
  no and not and didn't happen. It's easy, Just tell the truth as
• 1:13:47
  you know it. He's his own worst enemy. And no matter how loudly
• 1:13:50
  the crowd cheers for you, there's no glamor or valor in that Time magazine
• 1:14:00
  pays this. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, this person was paid. Yes,
• 1:14:05
  this person was paid by Time magazine. I mean I think I used
• 1:14:11
  to buy Time Magazine. I used to think that it was credible. There's
• 1:14:16
  no glamor of valor in that. Yeah, I'm fucking believable. Yeah,
• 1:14:23
  they're still they're basically just claiming that he probably did it, even though you
• 1:14:28
  know, we we we had the hearings, we saw the evidence, everything
• 1:14:30
  was put out there, he was found not guilty, the whole fucking thing.
• 1:14:35
  And they're still like, now, he probably did it, though,
• 1:14:39
  well it's a convenient to us, so he must have done it. Yeah
• 1:14:43
  yeah, I mean I was struggling time, so why how how could that
• 1:14:46
  change? I've made it up in my head. And also the thing is
• 1:14:50
  that he caused his own downfall. Really no, that's not what they court
• 1:15:00
  case found. Amber caused his downfall falsely. M So I wonder if this
• 1:15:09
  was put through a lawyer's estimation, because this seems like it's really getting close
• 1:15:13
  to bullshit. Um, I'm saying that there could be a defamation suit.
• 1:15:18
  No, I think they're being very careful here. Oh yeah, that's my
• 1:15:24
  lawyers look into it. If I was Depth though, for sure, But
• 1:15:30
  oh no, no, because they don't don't explicitly say that it's Debt who
• 1:15:34
  brought down his own downfall. They don't dare really Okay, So amber Heard
• 1:15:40
  lied, it was proven that she lied publicly. A whole bunch of people
• 1:15:45
  now know that she lied and that she was the abuser. But Depth was
• 1:15:48
  responsible for his own downfall somehow, I guess by choosing Amber Heard and now
• 1:15:56
  that there are people in the world that are supporting Depth publicly. Uh,
• 1:16:01
  there's no glamor of valor in it for Depth because he has to exist within
• 1:16:09
  a world of self recrimination about whatever it is he did wrong. Yep,
• 1:16:23
  what No, I just okay, well, this is it, this is
• 1:16:33
  this is just like this is lady hell um you know what, Stephanie.
• 1:16:40
  I think that Depth is going to continue to be cheered. There will probably
• 1:16:44
  be more people who start moving on to his side. Maybe not in Hollywood,
• 1:16:50
  but I imagine way with the tradectary tradectory of everything going. I imagine
• 1:16:58
  that Hollywood will disappear before the crowds cheering on depth do absolutely. Now that
• 1:17:05
  may be a bit optimistic, like it's entirely possible that he dies in these
• 1:17:10
  media people. Actually, well they take no responsibility for having hounded him.
• 1:17:15
  Um, and they continue to do this, and maybe that'll be true.
• 1:17:18
  They will continue to do this, but nobody will be listening. You know,
• 1:17:23
  black Rock will be keep paying them in um in uh mickey mouse dollars,
• 1:17:31
  but nobody will be listening. M you know, and uh, I
• 1:17:38
  don't see any Oh oh Dogo is making commentary, so I need to deal
• 1:17:43
  with that. UM be right back. Or uh, well we could wrap
• 1:17:48
  it up because like we've done, all of the articles finished, the super
• 1:17:55
  chats are finished. UM maybe you can do thank you that they're already uh,
• 1:18:00
  and we can close it out. Let me look at us, rumble,
• 1:18:06
  what's up? Rumble? Uh want to mention, by the way,
• 1:18:10
  you guys might might not know this. I'm sure everybody does, but Tina
• 1:18:14
  Turner passed away today. So wow, yeah she was like uh it was
• 1:18:20
  like in her I want to say she was eighty three. Okay, So
• 1:18:28
  I mean she did because she did good. She was you know, that
• 1:18:30
  was a that was a soldier, right there, Tina Turner. She was
• 1:18:32
  a soldier. Um so yeah, a raggedy man. Um so r I
• 1:18:43
  P Tina Turner, f's in the chat whatever, rest in peace and uh,
• 1:18:48
  you know, my love to the my love to her family and loved
• 1:18:53
  ones. So we we supported Johnny Depp way back in like twenty sixteen,
• 1:18:58
  right when the issual yell things came out. Yes, yes, we were
• 1:19:03
  like, well I heard we need to see the evidence and there wasn't much.
• 1:19:08
  And we listened to it. Well I listened to at that time.
• 1:19:11
  I listened to the tapes and I'm like, oh, that one guy.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm just all right. So the dogo is
• 1:19:20
  now settled down. Yeah, he's with his cat pal um. Yeah.
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