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Perez’s Tik Tok Psychotic Break, Stassi’s Reality Show, & Nancy Guthrie Update with Zack Peter! · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: with Zach Peter. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Always, always, such a delight. There's so much for us
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  Speaker 2: to discuss. We are gonna get right into it. Very
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  Speaker 2: disturbing news. Um, with Perez Hilton, he did a TikTok live.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you, since you're the one who told me
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  Speaker 2: about it, like you texted me and you're like, did
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  Speaker 2: you see what happened with Perez Hilton? Of course I
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  Speaker 2: knew it wasn't that he got a series. I knew
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  Speaker 2: it was something bad. I could just tell right away.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is going on? So why don't
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  Speaker 2: you walk us through what happened?
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 1: He went on Instagram live and I thought it was TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He was on TikTok live. The live went on for
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  Speaker 1: about a half hour, a little over a half hour.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, just warning, the details are a little graphic.
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  Speaker 1: He was self-harming on camera. The best way I can,
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  Speaker 1: or the most accurate way I can describe it is
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  Speaker 1: it looked like it was out of the movie Carrie,
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  Speaker 1: where she's like fully dripped in blood. Like it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was very gory, very graphic. He was self-harming. He
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  Speaker 1: was fully unclothed. He kept saying that, I guess he
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  Speaker 1: was comparing himself to like a parasite. He kept saying,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you guys want. He said that he
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  Speaker 1: was doing this for his kids. He wanted police officers
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  Speaker 1: to arrive and he wanted to antagonize them. It just,
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  Speaker 1: it was very clear that he was in a very
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  Speaker 1: dark state of mind. It appeared to have been like
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  Speaker 1: some sort of psychotic break that he was going through.
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  Speaker 1: The kids weren't home. His mom wasn't there with him.
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  Speaker 2: Just to let people know, so Perez Hilton came on
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  Speaker 2: the scene over 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Early 2000s.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like the original type of a blogger.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He called himself Perez Hilton as a play of words
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  Speaker 2: as Paris Hilton. He was, you know, into writing books.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like where you could just basically say anything
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  Speaker 2: back then, and he would draw dicks on people's faces.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very snarky.
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  Speaker 2: And lines of coke and really, really snarky. And became
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  Speaker 2: very famous because he was kind of the only one
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  Speaker 2: doing it at that time. He since pivoted. He is
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  Speaker 2: a single gay man. He's a single parent. He had
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  Speaker 2: three kids through surrogacy. His mother lives with him. They
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  Speaker 2: lived in Vegas. They moved from L.A. to Vegas for
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  Speaker 2: a while, but I guess they've moved from Vegas now
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  Speaker 2: to Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in Miami now.
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  Speaker 2: So this happened in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: This was, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In the home in Florida. And then a few months ago,
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  Speaker 2: he got very sick.
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  Speaker 1: Sepsis.
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  Speaker 2: Sepsis, and he had kind of a religious awakening. He
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  Speaker 2: said at one point he thought he died or something,
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  Speaker 2: and now he was raised Catholic, so then he sort
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  Speaker 2: of picked up the Bible again and became— quite religious,
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  Speaker 2: which a lot of people thought, this is so great.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he had also kind of repented prior to this.
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  Speaker 2: saying I was awful in the beginning of my career.
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  Speaker 2: And he definitely reports differently today. He still covers all
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  Speaker 2: the pop culture stuff, but his tone and everything is
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  Speaker 2: a lot more, and you're shaking your head. You can
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  Speaker 2: take it for what it is. It's hard because he
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  Speaker 2: really did hurt a lot of people that he would
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  Speaker 2: cover back in the day with the way he would
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  Speaker 2: do it. And also like Break Story and things like
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  Speaker 2: that whether it was Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Brittany, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, were reminding us just after
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  Speaker 2: this incident of what he did to Brittany. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: she's had her numerous psychotic breaks. So, so let me
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  Speaker 2: just go back to this incident. So he goes on
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  Speaker 2: TikTok live and he, When the TikTok started, was he
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  Speaker 2: already covered in blood and mid-harming or did that happen
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  Speaker 2: within the 30 minutes?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was mid.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I think he had already started.
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  Speaker 2: Hurting himself and then decided to go live.
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  Speaker 1: To go live. Yeah, that's my understanding of it. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't watch it from the beginning. I didn't catch it
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  Speaker 1: until the very end. And that's when one of my
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  Speaker 1: friends was texting me. And at first she was like,
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  Speaker 1: are you watching this? She's like, are you seeing what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing online? And at first I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: what does he do? Is he? ranting about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity or something. I was like, what is he
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  Speaker 1: doing to like get attention? And she's like, no, you
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  Speaker 1: need to watch this. It's like disturbing. And then I
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  Speaker 1: opened the video and I just saw him all red, bloody.
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  Speaker 1: And I was confused as to like what I was seeing.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I noticed that he was like fully
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  Speaker 1: unclothed and you can see everything. That's when I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's not fake. Like that's real. He's
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  Speaker 1: exposing himself on TikTok. I was surprised that it was up.
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  Speaker 2: For that long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he had what looked like a bread knife.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what he was using to hurt himself. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was disturbing. Police finally got there, I guess, because
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  Speaker 1: multiple people were calling. I think at first they believed
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  Speaker 1: it was a suicide attempt. And then police got there
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  Speaker 1: towards the end of the live. And I believe that's
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  Speaker 1: when I think TikTok finally took the live down and
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  Speaker 1: his account was banned. And then authorities were outside and
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  Speaker 1: they were able to get him out and take him
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  Speaker 1: into the hospital to get him looked at, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe he's under psychiatric care right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a couple of things that are shocking, that
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  Speaker 2: it took 30 minutes for someone at TikTok to get
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  Speaker 2: the word and have the ability to shut someone down,
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  Speaker 2: because this is really scary. And, you know, there is
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  Speaker 2: a famous... this is the first time that people have
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  Speaker 2: done stuff like this. There was actually like a news
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  Speaker 2: reporter and they made a movie about it, a news
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  Speaker 2: reporter that did this back in the day before there
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  Speaker 2: was social media and in fact ended their life while
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  Speaker 2: doing the live news. And so you would think that
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  Speaker 2: with these lives and where we are today, that there
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  Speaker 2: would be almost like someone's Or a few people's main
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  Speaker 2: job to kind of be hyper aware if someone is
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  Speaker 2: doing something like this on their platform to for them
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  Speaker 2: to call the authorities, for them to have a way
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  Speaker 2: of knowing where this TikTok account is coming from or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get authorities there. Yeah. I'm shocked it just took
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  Speaker 2: that long.
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  Speaker 1: And that they haven't made a statement like the fact
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  Speaker 1: that TikTok hasn't addressed this publicly, considering how much attention
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  Speaker 1: it's gotten. I'm surprised. Yeah. Cause like you would think
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  Speaker 1: at some point they would issue some sort of statement or,
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  Speaker 1: you know, say something. Cause like that goes, cause people
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  Speaker 1: were saying like when you're on TikTok, like there are
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  Speaker 1: certain words you can't use if you're on a live,
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  Speaker 1: they'll take you down right away. But like, this is
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  Speaker 1: somebody that was on camera streaming for over 30 minutes that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, authorities had to actually show up and like
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  Speaker 1: you could hear them outside. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: For people that don't really understand the difference between like
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and TikTok, really TikTok is more of like a
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  Speaker 2: direct moneymaker where you get paid for your views, you know,
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  Speaker 2: selling products and stuff, but also like views and you
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  Speaker 2: can make money on lives. You can make a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money on lives. And his history with TikTok has
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  Speaker 2: been tumultuous. Like he has, I feel like I've seen
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  Speaker 2: him over the years cry like two or three times about,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I got banned from TikTok. This is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: How am I going to feed my kids?
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  Speaker 1: TikTok, TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: It was never like Instagram or Facebook that he would
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  Speaker 2: talk about. So it's kind of not surprising, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: that when somebody is on that verge of like losing
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  Speaker 2: their mind, that He was like, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 2: it on TikTok, and I'm going to show the world.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to show the TikTok people. I'm going to show.
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  Speaker 2: And other people feel like this religious awakening. Other people
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  Speaker 2: say it's not religious. It was finding God. But reading
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  Speaker 2: the Bible, all of that, sometimes there is religious psychosis
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  Speaker 2: that could go into that. You mentioned Carrie and the
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  Speaker 2: movie Carrie. which is actually, did you see it's coming out?
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  Speaker 2: An updated version in a series. So the girl, Carrie,
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  Speaker 2: who is a book about Stephen King, she has a
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  Speaker 2: very religious mother, and it's just she and her mother,
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  Speaker 2: and she is like dorky and teased, but she has
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  Speaker 2: ability to like move things and all this stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's the new version, which is coming out on
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  Speaker 2: Amazon Prime, is her today. Oh. the kids mocking her
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  Speaker 2: and things like that have to do with they put
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  Speaker 2: it online and they she sees it on the phone
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  Speaker 2: and like that starts to make her think that the
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  Speaker 2: girls were her friends and they're not her friend so
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  Speaker 2: it's just again it's just interesting like I almost wonder
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  Speaker 2: if Now that you mentioned it and he's from like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's closer to my age. Like was the
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  Speaker 2: whole was that even in his mind? Because you're right.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like the final scene in Carrie where the
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  Speaker 2: character of Carrie didn't do that to herself. They do
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  Speaker 2: a mockery thing and they she's at prom and she
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  Speaker 2: thinks she's going to be prom queen when they plan
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  Speaker 2: this whole thing where a bucket of blood comes on her.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's a very scary visual. Yeah. Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: just thinking, I don't know. Like there's, we won't know
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with him, but he has three kids
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  Speaker 2: that are all like elementary age now. And he had
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  Speaker 2: them alone.
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  Speaker 1: I think the oldest is 13. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he doesn't have, he has an older mother, which,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is just where it gets really hard.
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  Speaker 2: Cause it doesn't, he doesn't have a partner or an
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  Speaker 2: ex partner where these kids would could go to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're left in the care of his mother, who is elderly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she was, I think, there to help him,
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  Speaker 1: but also, like, he was taking care of her as well. But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad that the kids weren't there, but, like,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to forever live with this, knowing that this
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  Speaker 1: is out there, it's on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's so bad the way it was done,
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  Speaker 2: because not only is her dad famous for what he does, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when a child has to deal with something
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  Speaker 2: like this, it's not a part of... the news and
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  Speaker 2: the world and like everything about it. It's just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's really, really sad. And I'm so sad that he chose.
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  Speaker 2: And I, maybe I'm saying really one word because when
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  Speaker 2: you're in this state, you don't know what you're doing,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, but it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. He or his team and his family
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  Speaker 1: issued a statement saying that he is being cared for
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  Speaker 1: right now. They he's under, I believe a psychiatric evaluation and,
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  Speaker 1: but he is under medical care and that they'll give
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  Speaker 1: updates when updates become available, but that they want everybody
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  Speaker 1: to respect his privacy at this time, which has caused
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  Speaker 1: a lot of discourse online because they said he's never
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  Speaker 1: been one to respect anybody else's privacy. And they specifically
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  Speaker 1: referenced like, Britney Spears, when she had her psychotic break
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  Speaker 1: with shaving her head and the umbrella and how that
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  Speaker 1: was exploited in the media. Um, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: people are entitled to privacy in really serious times. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for me, my thoughts are more with his kids and
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  Speaker 1: with his mom. Like that's the privacy that I want
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  Speaker 1: to be respectful of. I've seen people circulating photos of
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  Speaker 1: like his kids, um, which I don't think does.
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  Speaker 2: Share his kids online. Like I can visually see them
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  Speaker 2: in my head right now. Cause they look a lot
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  Speaker 2: like him. So like, he's not been one of those people.
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  Speaker 1: That put hearts on his kids' faces.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't doing that. So it's like, yeah, whenever someone
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  Speaker 2: says respect our privacy, I guess that means like, Heather
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  Speaker 2: and Zach, shut your fucking faces and find another topic.
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  Speaker 2: But I agree. Like, you know, this is what we do.
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  Speaker 2: And when Perez, even in his second era of his career,
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  Speaker 2: which she's much nicer, he would be covering this as well.
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  Speaker 2: And he would say, Wow, we are praying for his children.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we're saying. Like, we, too, want you
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  Speaker 2: to get better. Hope that your kids are also going
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  Speaker 2: to be in therapy, that you will be a healthy
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  Speaker 2: family again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Whether that means that you just continue writing your articles
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  Speaker 2: but never go on these sites anymore. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming— I don't know what it would take for like
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  Speaker 2: a TikTok to let you back on, but I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think TikTok's letting him back on after this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's already been banned several times, but also,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a bigger conversation too about like TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know why he was banned those other times?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was like content that went against community
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  Speaker 1: guidelines at first. And then, so like he was banned
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  Speaker 1: from the platform and then he kept trying to create
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  Speaker 1: new accounts. And so because he was already like previously banned,
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  Speaker 1: then he got like a lifetime ban because that's my
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  Speaker 1: understanding of it. But then somehow they let him back on. Well,
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  Speaker 1: because he just signs up with new accounts, like a
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  Speaker 1: new email address or whatever, like is how I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: he gets into the app. And so, but because he
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  Speaker 1: was doing that, that's also an additional, like, if you've
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  Speaker 1: already been banned, you can't just, you know, if you've
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  Speaker 1: been banned from a business, you can't put on a
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  Speaker 1: wig and come in and expect them to still let
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  Speaker 1: you shop at that business. So yeah, I, I assume
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  Speaker 1: he found another way to create another account and that's
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  Speaker 1: how he was able to get on. But it was,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like, I think tech talk does have
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  Speaker 1: some responsibility and should put safer protections because like they're
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  Speaker 1: kids and there are even just young adults, 20 year
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  Speaker 1: olds that don't have a fully developed Frontal lobe that
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  Speaker 1: you know have to see that type of content.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing with him choosing to do
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  Speaker 2: it It's like yeah people can be mad at that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like people can be mad like I didn't ask to
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  Speaker 2: see this Yeah, I didn't this isn't like I chose
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  Speaker 2: to watch American Horror Story and now I'm have nightmares
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  Speaker 2: I People could have just been opening up their app
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  Speaker 2: and scrolling and he could have come across it or
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  Speaker 2: their kids could have come across it so you did
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  Speaker 2: this so that millions of people would see it yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I that's not right either, you know, like that
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  Speaker 2: is not okay. So, um, but you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: like anybody that's in those States, you know, they're not,
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  Speaker 2: they decide to jump off a bridge, which stops the traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Why are you inconvenience everyone's life? You know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah. It's, it's the, the double-edged sword with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, listen on the other side of it,
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  Speaker 1: like it, this could have been what saved his life, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like if he had done this home alone, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of blood that was there, That was my concern was,
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  Speaker 1: are they going to be able to get him medical
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  Speaker 1: care before he loses too much blood? Because the amount
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  Speaker 1: of blood in that live stream was wild. But that
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  Speaker 1: could have been what saved him. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's troublesome that the video was up for that long,
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  Speaker 1: but also people were able to call the authorities and
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  Speaker 1: police officers were able to get there. I mean, TikTok
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  Speaker 1: wasn't doing anything, but at least people were able to
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  Speaker 1: call local authorities in Miami to get officers there to
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  Speaker 1: get him help.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just like the trajectory, like his whole life.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if this was, it's just so, it's so,
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  Speaker 2: what it's, of course this is how it's ending. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: like if you were to write a movie about it,
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  Speaker 2: of course this is where it's ending when he started
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  Speaker 2: literally being like the original blogger. He calls himself, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the original influencer.
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  Speaker 1: That's how he is.
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  Speaker 2: Comes on every video and he's going to report on something.
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  Speaker 2: He was this person. I remember Victoria Beckham had a
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  Speaker 2: TV show one season and she goes, Oh, I'm supposed
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  Speaker 2: to meet this person. He's a blogger. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: meet him for lunch. And he writes about me and
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  Speaker 2: it was Perez Hilton. And he was very overweight at
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  Speaker 2: that time. And you know, so that was another thing.
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  Speaker 2: He got skinny and kind of then was like showing
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: off his body that he was skinny. And then you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: in that process had the kids and then moved to Vegas.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, it was like, I'm not going
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to be mean anymore, but I'm going to keep doing
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing and all of this. So it's like,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: of course, like, of course you're fucked up. Like your life,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and then you almost died and then you
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: found Jesus again. And it's just like, Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Well, and all of his career has been about staying relevant,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: staying in front of the public. I mean, because that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was also how he made his living.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Like it was always about how do I one up this?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: How do I, you know, keep attention? So naturally, when
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: your head, you know, kind of goes off the rails
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and you suffer with this psychosis, which is what it
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: appeared to be like a psychotic break that he was
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: going through. Naturally, your train of thought is to just
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: go into how do I get attention in this way?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're not thinking clearly and you're deeply disturbed.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Also in that, it's like, yeah, when he started, he
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: was one of the only people doing it. And now
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: everybody does it. And how do you keep your audience,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you know, engaged when there's so many other people that
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: are reporting on the same thing? And I remember I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: interviewed him and I was like, my God, you put
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: out so many articles and posts like, how do you
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: do it? You have a team of people like, uh,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you know, and he's just like, well, yeah, because I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: get ads for each one. Like I have to do
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: that because I've support for other people besides myself. And
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of pressure too. And if you did
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: see it slipping away and your kids are getting older
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and how am I going to pay for their college
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and their private school and all this other stuff.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So actually being single.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And having his reputation, right? Like it wasn't easy to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: rehab his image. Once people knew him as this really snarky,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: mean blogger, it was hard to come back from that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Even when he tried to be nice or tone down
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: his content, that wasn't what was getting attention.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And you have all these other people with an iPhone
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and they're able to go on and do it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And their strong opinions and yeah, and be snarky and whatever.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And they don't care.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And he's trying to like stay and be nice. Well,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: we do care and we do want him to get better,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: a treat. With eight flavours to choose from, you can
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: go through. It's about what happens next.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
• 20:48
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• 20:49
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• 20:51
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Um, also I wanted to, there was a follow-up, one
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of your expertise on this, Nancy Guthrie, the, she, uh, Sheriff, uh, Nanos,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: which has, he's gotten a lot of criticism. They, we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: still don't know where Nancy is. Savannah's still asking for answers. Um,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: but they decided to release finally these two hot, um,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Hostage letter, ransom notes that we had heard about way
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: back when that that TMZ got a hold of. But
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: so is this the first time that we've ever been
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: able to read them?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So I think a week or two ago, there was
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the Crime Junkie podcast read these letters on air. OK,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: so this was Nancy went missing. Nancy Benet Ramsey, went
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: missing six months ago. And we've heard there. So there
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: were these two original letters that were believed to be
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the most legitimate. There were there was another letter that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: was sent that individual, I believe, was arrested. And, you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: they he'd faced charges for that because it was fake.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: He had nothing to do with it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: He had nothing to do with it. And then there
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: were several other. notes that were coming to TMZ specifically.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So these two notes went to TMZ and went to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: other local news stations in Tucson. But there were additional
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: notes that were going specifically to TMZ from a third
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: party saying, I have information. I know who's doing this.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Pay me the money and I'll give you the information.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And as far as we know, the Guthrie family and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department, nobody paid
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that money and nobody paid these ransom letters. But so
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Crime Junkie read these letters in their entirety, I believe
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a week or two ago. And then it was just
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a few days ago that the Pima County Sheriff's Department
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: decided to also release them.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But why did Crime Junkie get it first?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Well, because remember, the letters were going out to different media.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So I believe they got them from a local news station,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and they had them for a while, but I guess
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: they were waiting for the official investigators to release them,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and they never did, and they're like, maybe this will
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: be helpful, so we're just going to read the letters
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: for you on air.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And the gist of the letter, which I don't have
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in front of me, but basically it did say she
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: had a white Apple Watch. Well, so the first one—
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Did have her or know who she was because it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: sort of a specific thing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They said a white Apple Watch and a broken light,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like a headlight in the backyard. And those are the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: two details that they noted to indicate that they were
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: at least there or present that night. But there were
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the two notes and they were very brief. bizarre the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: shift in tone. The first letter was like, we have
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: your mother, Savannah. Her life is in your hands. If
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you don't pay us this Bitcoin within this deadline, we're
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: going to kill her. And then a couple of days later,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they sent the second letter. And the second letter had
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a drastically different tone of like, she perished like a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: carton of milk. They're like, she perished. We didn't know
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: that this was going to happen. This wasn't our intention.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how do you say this wasn't your
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: intention when your last letter was literally saying, Her life
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is in your hands. We're going to kill her if
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you don't give us this money. And then they said
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that she was buried with nature. There was nothing that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you could do to prevent this. The tone was very different.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I've always been skeptical about the kidnapping story altogether. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: just think infants, toddlers, and old ladies, you don't kidnap.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: It's too much of a liability. I mean, babies, it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hard to keep them quiet. But an elderly lady that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: can't even walk, how do you transport her easily? Well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: she could walk.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: She could walk.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: No, she couldn't walk well. They said on a good
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: day she could maybe walk to the mailbox on her own. Oh, okay.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So she was not able to move very well, especially
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: if she's afraid. She clearly needed assistance. But she was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: last seen. She had dinner with her daughter Annie and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: her son-in-law Tommaso. They drop her off at about 10 p.m.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Saturday night. which is also strange that you're dropping an
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: 84-year-old woman off that late and you let her walk
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in alone. That was weird. But then they don't discover
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that she's missing until Sunday. All of Sunday goes by,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: she's missing, and the ransom notes don't come until Monday.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: What kidnapper or what old lady snatcher comes in, takes
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the old lady, and then doesn't even send the ransom
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: note until the following day. Like that, everything about, like
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it was more than 24 hours after she had gone
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: missing before the first letter even materialized.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know, everybody is, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: very critical of this investigation. But what people have to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: remember is how many times have there been crimes and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: 18 months later, They finally arrest the husband. Yeah. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: they don't let everybody know. They do. They want the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: suspect to relax.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Because they actually are working on other things. And they've
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: never said like this person was a suspect and they're
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: totally cleared. It just looks like they have no clue
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: what happened. We don't know that there isn't. An arrest
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: coming in a month. We don't know that. You never know.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And, you know, people have always been suspicious of the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: people that saw her last. Why wouldn't you? That was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the daughter and son-in-law. The daughter and son-in-law.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Who were also her caretakers.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And there were stories that financially she, you know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: May have been supporting them.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Supporting them. And we don't know that she may have
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: at that point. said it's going to stop here or
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: be annoyed or whatever. We don't know. And so they
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: could have been, you know, like, no, you guys are cleared, whatever.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And they're going on. And, of course, Susanna never wants
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: to believe that. And so they're probably telling themselves, like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: another scenario is, yeah, the scenario I always thought, if
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: it wasn't them, was just some guy– that's like back
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: living with his mother, who is not a professional kidnapper.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And the mother said, you know, Nancy Guthrie lives downtown.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: That's Savannah on the TV. That's her mother. She lives
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: right down the way. And him being a little bit
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: off and being like, this is my moneymaker moment. I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: going to kidnap her and get this money. And also
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: being that Bitcoin, like being like a weirdo. And then
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: she does accidentally die or he didn't mean to kill
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: her or he gets nervous. And she does. That happened. Now,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: whether that– if that was the guy, if these were
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: really the ransom notes that he wrote or not. But
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: those are the two things. I think it's either an
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: unprofessional person like that or I think it was the relatives.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I think if it were an unprofessional person, they would
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: have been sloppy enough to have gotten caught by now.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Like even if it is the neighbor down the street,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: he's got to be missing. His mom has to be like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: where is he at?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: No, but if it happened and then he really did
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that and then he just went back.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: To being– Pretending nothing ever happened, yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: The 55-year-old loser that goes shopping with his mom once
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a week and lives at home.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying these things do take, can take really long.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: We may never know.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: We may never, ever know, like JonBenet, but we might
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: get an answer.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I just think there's no way we have no answers
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: in 2026 with GPS, with the advanced DNA testing. with
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: cameras on every streetlight.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But there could be keeping it from us.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: It's possible. It is possible. And I'm hoping that that's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: what it is. I'm hoping, I've thought like you, whoever,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they may have an idea of who it is. They
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: want them to just kind of like lay low for
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a while. I mean, the sheriff is over here on
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the news. His last interview said that this could likely
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: take 50 years before he solves the case, which, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of faith.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And then Savannah, I mean- Or it could be the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: FBI that are just like, yes, we've got a fumbling, dumb,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: dumb sheriff here, and we're doing our thing, and we're
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: not sharing with him.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the more likely scenario.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Because he is just completely above his pay grade, you know, this, like, town.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And he butchered the case so badly. I mean, the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: crime scene was never really closed off. Right. People were
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: able to walk up to her porch and take selfies
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: with her blood on the porch. It's crazy that— That
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: was even a possibility. There were pizza delivery guys showing up.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: The pool boy was there less than a week cleaning
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: her pool and they didn't even know what happened to her.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It was so bizarre. And the family has been so bizarre.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Like if we take Savannah Guthrie as the woman we
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: know on TV out of the equation, I think there
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: are a lot of questions surrounding the family. But even
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: when we look at Savannah's behavior, This is a woman
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: who's on TV every single day and suddenly her mother
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: goes missing and her and her family go into hiding.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Not once did they ever appear on TV. Not once
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: did they ever do a press conference. Not once did
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: they host a prayer vigil or print Nancy's face on
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a t-shirt and go looking for her in the desert.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: We got nothing from them but a random Instagram video
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that we would get every couple of days that was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: pleading with the humanity of this old lady snatcher that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like made no sense. This person you believe took your mother,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: but yet you're going to plead with his humanity? Like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that didn't make any sense at all. And again, like.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so I'm... Those are all great points,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: but I'm also going to play devil's advocate there a
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: little bit. It was all over the news. So she
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: didn't have to also give it more news. It was
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: all over the news. So she could hang low.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Let us deal with it while she was in hiding?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, she could. I mean, honestly, she could, because... It's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the same thing with the Nolan Wells thing where, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: people are like, why did those kids turn off their
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: social media and whatnot?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: But those are private people. Savannah has access to NBC.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And if she called NBC and says, give me five
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: minutes every day to give you an update on my mother,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they would give her that airtime. She had the airtime.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to get into everybody's home to show her real pain
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and grief and needing to find her mother. And she
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: never gave that. People take advantage of the press conferences
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: when somebody goes... I mean, listen, the Ramseys were on
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: TV every day. Scott Peterson was pretending to look for
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: his wife. Casey Anthony wanted to find her daughter. True,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: but I.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Think this is the first time a person who's been
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: in our room every day doing... light, fun stuff, elderly
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: mother was kidnapped. We can't say, remember the last time
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that Matt Lauer's mother was also kidnapped? She should do
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: something different than he. I'm just saying it's one of
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: those things like where people say you, that person didn't
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: act the way they should act when their child was kidnapped. Well,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: how do you act? Like it's, it's a very rare thing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Hopefully nobody ever experiences something like that in their life.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So you don't know how you would act and you
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: don't know who she's listening to or what she should
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: do or, she probably felt very responsible for being a
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: famous wealthy person that these weirdos, like I said, if
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it's just a weirdo thought, Oh, that she's rich, she's
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: on TV. She must be so rich that if I
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: take her mother, because she lives down the street from
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: my mom, then I'll get this money. So it's like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: she probably is like, wow, why didn't I? And she
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: put her mom on TV a few times. Like She
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: could have been going through all of that. Like I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: feel so guilty because if I was just a school teacher,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: my mom would have never been taken.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Six months ago, sure. But now we're six months in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and she still hasn't tapped into any of those resources.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: She won't even cover it on the Today Show.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Well, she's doing the game show.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: She's doing Wordle. Tune into Wordle on NBC. Like, that's, like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you're using your airtime to host Wordle instead of giving
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: an update on your mother?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I really think that she should have turned down Wordle.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: She should have absolutely turned down Wordle.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, you don't need that gig.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You don't need the money.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: You are fine till you're... So your kids are 50.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: She didn't even need to come back to work that soon.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Like your kids are going to have their money to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: buy their homes. And like, you did not need to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: make another couple million hosting Wordle. You would, it would
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: not change your lifestyle Wordle or not.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: She went back to, to going on the today show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I would at least go a year before.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or at least, I mean, she went back to work.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I would at least go a year, a year.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: She went back to work very quickly.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Just like a woman who loses her husband. Even if
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: she meets somebody three months later, you kind of keep
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it under wraps until a full year has gone because
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: people are like, that's a little soon.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And listen, they've covered the story since then on the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Today Show, and she will not participate in the coverage
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: because she wants to remove herself. But my thing is
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it's like if you're trying to appeal to somebody to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: bring forth information, they need to see that you're actually
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: still– You know, or give some sort of detail, like
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: even when she did her sit down with Hoda Kotb,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: which was the weakest interview, like Hoda Kotb should be
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: embarrassed for that interview. Because first of all, they broke
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it up into three parts over the course of two
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: days and gave us zero answers into the investigation. Hoda
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: gave her not one follow up question. When Savannah said, oh,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: there were at least two ransom notes that we believe
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: were real. Great.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What was it about those ransom notes? It was all
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: planned out. It was all planned out, of course. But
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that's my point is these moves. You're saying that, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to, you know, there was enough coverage
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in the news. But she made these decisions that advanced
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the investigation in no way. If anything, it was just
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: to show the world. that she's sad that her mother
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: is still missing so that the world would accept her
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: coming back to work. Right. Rather than focusing on trying to,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: if you want the public to help bring forth information,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: she didn't even put up a reward until what, over
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a month? When the public was starting to put a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: GoFundMe together to raise money to pay for the Bitcoin,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the public was trying to raise money.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: The moms were going on hikes.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: The moms were going on hikes trying to look for Nancy.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: The sheriff was blocking them because they didn't have permits
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to go on hikes. Also weird. But like the public
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: was more invested in getting out there. Like, sure, you
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what you would do when you were in
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that situation, but not doing anything is questionable. And then
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: going to host Wordle? Like, it's weird.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: This era of our history are so many unanswered questions.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: We still don't know about the UFOs over New Jersey.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: The drones.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Even though Bethany said she's talking to somebody really big.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: She never told us what. So, you know, speaking of
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: everything planned out, let's get into Stassi Schroeder's show. So
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I talked about it. I've now watched more episodes. There's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: eight episodes. You can watch the whole thing on Hulu.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And it really is a reality show about doing a
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: reality show, which is why people say it's almost like
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: watching The Comeback with Lisa Kudrow.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: They called it a meta docuseries.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: That's what they themselves call it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That's what Hulu is calling it, is a meta docuseries.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And I do think that was interesting when they were
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: coming up with it, that she was like, look, I'm
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: not going to act like I don't know what's going on.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But in doing it, I feel like, as now I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: like on episode seven, I feel like I've been now
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: gaslit by this show.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: In what way?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: In that I think she and Bo are completely fine.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I heard that people that have listened to their podcast
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: patron for years they know they're completely fine and I
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: think that they you know really really planned this out
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to have a lot of drama all in the first
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: season and to get the second season which I heard
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: they've got and I do think it's interesting I brought
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: up that you know I do think the concept is
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: very interesting with the female breadwinner and how that is
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: difficult But I also, he goes back to work. He
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: goes back to work and everything's fine today. And I
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: just feel like, I don't know, I feel like she
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't like her family at all, but she puts them
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: on the show. And then she puts them on the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: show to control the fact that I am your paycheck.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they keep saying, I have to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: be here for work. Well, it's my job to ask
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you this uncomfortable question. I have to do that. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I get it, and we as a reality show audience
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: have asked for this, and we've pointed it out in
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the last few years, but now that we have it,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to believe that Santa's still real. Like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I love it that much, because
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it feels so put upon. Like, she's like, literally, like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the only reason you have a dinner party on a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: reality show is so that you could all fight and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: talk about, and you know, the only reason you tell
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: your castmate something mean about the other one is so
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: that they tell them, and then you have a mean
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: dinner party.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: So... I mean, look, we're talking about it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: We're watching it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: They've done their job and she clearly, this was her goal,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: but it's just kind of, I feel differently now.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how you're going to feel after you watch
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the finale. Okay. Cause I hear you and I reached
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that same point mid season. Okay. Halfway through, I was like, okay,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I get it. It's meta. We're talking, it's a reality
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: show within a reality show. I was like, I get the, like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I get it. We don't need to keep talking about
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: what we're doing and why we're doing it and how
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: we're doing it. Cause a lot of the things like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: we know that a dinner party is meant to, to,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to face the conflict.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Um, But the last two episodes, I think by episode six,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I get it. It's good, whatever.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And I thought it was going to fall off at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: some point. And the last two episodes really kind of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: turned it back around for me because I think to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: your point, she was very much trying to control the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: show early on and trying to get the rest of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: them to learn how to be reality stars. And then
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: at the finale, they all kind of turn the table
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: on her and confront her. And it ends up blowing
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: up in a really big way. And there's a lot
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of like raw emotion. Like, do you want me to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: spoil it for you?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Sure. Because I feel like I mean, I feel like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are probably already because even the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: last video I did, they were like, he does go
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: back to work. And I'm like, oh, because I talked
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: about like, just let him go find that job.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And with the whole thing of him wanting to work
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and her not wanting him to work to know that
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: in the end, he did go to work. and it's fine.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And I was like, look, I get what she was saying.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: She was like, he probably being a casting director assistant,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was ever going to make more
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: than like a hundred, 150,000, maybe even 200,000 years max
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: at the top of the game because it wasn't his
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: own operation. So, but it was just him wanting to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: go out, be creative, whatever. So she, from her point
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of view was like, but I'll like, I make 2
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: million a year. Let's just say on a low end,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: she makes 2 million a year, which she probably makes
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: more than that. So she's kind of like, I've been
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: pulling in 2 million a year. Like you don't need
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to make 10% of that. Like Amanda, um, What's her name?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Amanda from Real Houses of Beverly Hills.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, Amanda Francis.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Says, my husband makes 10% of what I make. Like,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: she pulls it out there. But she still lets him
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: go do his thing. And he's like, we have. But
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: then it's like, wait, they have a full-time nanny. Like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: is this really just about, like, doing the dishes? Like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: it was weird. But I do appreciate the dynamic. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I talked about that. But then people would, like, correct me.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, but you haven't watched the whole thing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. Just fucking watch. Spoil it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: She does address that and she says that it's not
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: so much– well, two things. One, she does not like
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: her kids. It's obvious she says it in the finale.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Or she says that her kids are really difficult and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: she feels like she's a bad mom. So part of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the reason she doesn't want Bo to go to work
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: is she doesn't want them to be raised by a nanny.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And she knows that Bo is at least a stable
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: parent where she gets to be the working parent, but
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: at least the kids still have one person in the household.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Along with Cora the nanny.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, along with Cora the nanny.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It's like he's never really alone with the kids.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it does– it seems like there are some– Because
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they said Cora was there all day. I believe she's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: there during the day, but like the evening for– he
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: cooks dinner and then puts the kids to bed. And
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: she's afraid of doing that. But– So it's more her thing.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And I think it's more of her own like insecurity.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And she kind of relates it to like her family
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and her family wasn't very stable and her mom wasn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: very stable. And so she just wants her kids to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: have a stable household with at least one parent that's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: very present because she's incapable of being present. And she
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: would rather be the breadwinner and be working. And then like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and it seems like she's really afraid of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: her kids.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Just imagine these kids watching this. So like at like
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: 15 and 16, they'd be like, do you fucking hate us?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Trust me, when you see her break... My parents.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Would tell my sister and I, like, yeah, you were mistakes. Like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: your mom couldn't count a calendar, and I had to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: find a Catholic priest in San Diego to bless my
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: vasectomy after Heather. But they'd be like, but you were
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the two best surprises. Like, they would tell us how
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: great we were all the time. So I didn't care
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that we weren't planned. I never felt that way. But
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: this is like, you guys are hard. You're hard because
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: you're young. Like, I just feel like I mean, there
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: was this one time that I was so stressed out
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: because you had to cover the school books like for
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: my son. And I was going to Chelsea lately where
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I had an hour commute. We did not, could not
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: work from home. We did not have remote days. I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: didn't have a self-driving car. Like I was thinking about
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it and I still came home and like did the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: bath and all that stuff, but was grateful that like
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Peter was there. And I was like, you have to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: do this. You have to do this book. You have to,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and everything. And I just, I got so
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: mad that he had not done the books, Peter. And
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I like had a full like breakdown. And I just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: remember Drake was like seven or nine or something. And
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: he goes, God, just leave them. Just go to work. Like,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: just go to work and let us do this. Just
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: go to work. And that like made me cry more
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: because it was like, just go. Like we have our
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: routine here and you're like, I was trying to do
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: all of it. And it was like. Peter was like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: just don't go to work today. Just like take a shower,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: like chill out. And I came back. I remember I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: like told, you know, I even told Chelsea about it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I just had a freak
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: out and I need to apologize. But it was kind
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: of a good moment because I was like, you can't
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: do it all. And she wrote her third book is
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: like having it. I always said my third book would
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: be like having it most if I wrote a third
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: book because it's like you can't have it all, but
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you could have it most. So I think it's a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: really– Interesting discussion point, which is why we're spending so
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: much time on in the show. Yeah. But to hear
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: people write that she doesn't like her kids, I don't
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: believe that. Like, I think there's love and everything, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: it might be this stage is not.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Where it's good. Yeah, I think that's what it is.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: That's a hard age. It's this stage. That's a hard age,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and I think she didn't have a strong– role model
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: in a mother that she didn't she doesn't know how
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to be a mom and she doesn't have anybody to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: go to to say hey can you help me learn
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: how to do this or that like her mom as
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you can see on the show is just still kind
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of a mess and still kind of you know latching
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: onto her and even so I think she addresses it
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: too that like her family wasn't invited to come film
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: like they were inserting themselves to come and film with
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the sister like when the sister moves into her new
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: apartment like the family came because they wanted to be
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: on camera and it seems like they wanted to be
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: in the mix of everything and she kind of seemed
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: annoyed by that because I think it was an interview
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that she did afterwards she was like I wasn't like
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they weren't like I didn't want them to be on
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the show and they like kept showing up through my
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: sister and her sister obviously wanted them to be on
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the show But the finale, I think, just has so
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: much raw emotion from everybody. Like, you can see the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: other cast members thought, like, oh, Stassi taught us you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: confront people. This is the finale. This is going to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: be a big moment where we're going to tell her, like, hey,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you're kind of a bitch to your husband. And so
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they bring it up at the table. And her reaction, she, like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: flips out and has a full-on meltdown. And then they
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: start having a meltdown, like, oh, shit, we didn't mean
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: for this to happen. And like Christina Kelly's like ball.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: She's like Stassi, no, we didn't mean for this to happen.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Like it was just it was so dramatic. And then
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you could see like Rob, both friends just sitting there like, oh, shit,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: this and this.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: What is your prediction for the next season? Do you
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: think it'll be all the same people? Because I noticed
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: it was interesting. It's the poster, which I have here
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: on the screen. Please subscribe to YouTube. It's just her.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And I just noticed now in the background are black
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and white photos of the other cast members.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But there's no photo of like her, like the Kardashians
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: with all the other cast members. So I feel like
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: that's kind of smart because it's called.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: House of Stassi.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: And if she's doing this all, I think it's kind
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: of smart where she's like, no, no, no. I'm going
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to be able to interchange these people like chess players.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Like every season, my house of Stassi could change. Like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think Italian Georgia is coming. There is no
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: point of having Italian Georgia.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Not anymore.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: And I also feel like the sister and her have
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: no chemistry.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, usually with sisters, even if they fight,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: like Kim and Khloe, like the Kardashians, the reason we
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: love that is because if you have sisters, you guys
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: fight over jeans, like you, and they always come back
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and they have their different bitchiness. I just feel like
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: because they had different dads because they're like 10 years apart.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Also the sister doesn't have Botox yet, which is very wild.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting to see like a wrinkly face when hers is like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: she's like 10 years older than her.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And she doesn't have a wrinkle on her face, which
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: she's honest about her Botox and everything. And, um, so
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I get why they put her in
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it because it's, it's again, conflict. She has a weird childhood.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: She has an unusual, uh, family makeup with the mother
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and the three different dads and everything. But I'm like,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I just don't know. I feel like I wouldn't be
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: surprised if maybe they've already filmed the second season. But, like, whatever,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: if this continues on, these players will change.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: That's my prediction. That's kind of how she tees it
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: up at the end.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Because it ends with a cliffhanger. They're on the Queen Mary.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: She leaves. She has a full meltdown. And then the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: last scene you see of her is her just sobbing
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: in the corner as she runs off away from the dinner.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So you don't see what happens afterwards, which I assume
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: will be the opening for season two. And then her
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: confessional ends by saying something about how like you don't
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: if you want a role in my life, then like
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: this is not how you stay in my life. Like
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: being like now they have to prove themselves to me
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: or something to that effect of like she can, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: off with their head if they don't follow my rules.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Right. And like people are saying, this really should be
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: called House of Narcissist. She's like the biggest narcissist. I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: don't think she cares. I think, I think she's, you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: she's 38. She's been on reality TV for half her life,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: literally half her life. She would have started at like
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: 22 or something. So, um, and they don't, you just
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: don't know any different anymore. And even though she had
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: this break of being on reality show for a while
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: while she rebuilt her stuff, she was still in the limelight.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And you know, and he was an actor like Bo.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: So he, Obviously has agreed to it, but it was
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: probably like, hey, but when we have these discussions, when
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the cameras come up, like we can redo these fights.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I think. Yeah. And that's fine. You know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: like their issues are their issues.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And clearly just like, you know, male comedians that don't
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: need to go on the road, they sometimes they go
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: on the road just to get away from their little kids.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And the female comedians are like, I'll bring them or
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I feel terrible or I do just want that one
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: night in my bed alone.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: While a male comedian might be like, who is the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: waitress I can fuck? Not that they would do that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: if they're married, but I'm just saying it's a very
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: different thing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: They would never do that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: How men and women treat differently. But I think she
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: got very comfortable in that, like, you know, not having
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: guilt about that because she was like, because I'm providing
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: all this and because we started like this.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: You know, from the very beginning. And he just was like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to an office. I just
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: want to have a Chinese chicken salad by myself Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: With a couple other people. And if I'm gone from
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: nine to six, like, what does it matter?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And again, it doesn't matter that he may. So that'll
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: stay for as long. And then he'll probably blow it off.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And be like, I'd rather pick up golf. Like, he'll
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: be like, whatever. Who cares?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: He'll get it out of his system.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But hopefully... They as a couple will remain together
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: because that's what they want. But this is sure a gamble.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: It's a gamble. And she knows it. But I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I think he'll stick around.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I just think he knows who she is. He knows
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: what he married. I don't think she's all that different,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you know, compared to where they've, you know, now compared
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to the last couple of years that we haven't seen
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: her on television. So I think I hope they last.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I mean if she's really modeling Kris Jenner, there's no
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: better people that have the blinders on about the mean
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: comments than those Kardashians. Khloe oftentimes would fall into reading
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the comments and being sad when she talks about it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she changed her whole image.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Right, and she actually said something recently like on her
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: show where she's like, you know, people acted very differently.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to me once I got hot. And I remember who
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: wasn't nice and who was. And I remember we were
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: doing a sketch early on in Chelsea lately where we
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: were gonna do like a sketch about, Chris was coming
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: on to be on the show. So I was like,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: let's do a sketch where Chris plays herself And Chelsea
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: was Kim and we filled her ass. We gave her
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: brown contacts. So she has green eyes or blue eyes.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'll be Chloe because I'm tall. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: we had a little PA that was, she was a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: tiny little brunette girl. So I was like, you'll be the,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: you'll be Courtney. And we had like a dummy and
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I was like throwing the Courtney doll around and everything.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: And right before that, like the day of, Chelsea's like, wait,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be really funny. if we had Guy
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Branum play Khloe. And I go, Chelsea, I know you
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: think I'm a thirst bucket, and I want to make
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: this extra $ 333, but I'm telling you, as like relationships
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: with the Kardashians, that would be so incredibly hurtful to Khloe.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: She's already seen as like the bigger sister, and we're
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: going to have an overweight male play her over me?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Like, I was gonna stuff my ass, but that was it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm just, she's like, but it'd
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: be funnier. And I'm like, it's just, I'm like, you
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: gotta think of the big picture. This will still be
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: really funny. And it was. And those were the things
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I did when I was on the show to protect
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the Kardashians.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: But whatever, it's fine.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Chloe, I'm excited for your new show. I'd still like
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you to come on Juicy Scoop. Let's talk about it.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I've had your back for 20 years. But those are
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the kind of things where it's like you think about
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: those things. But again, it's kept my interest. It keeps
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: us talking. It is unique. And all of it. Now,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: this was Bo in the beginning, and I was very
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: disturbed that he dyed his hair so black, but he
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: was letting his gray beard come in. But then later
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: on in the season, he addresses it and goes to
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a groomer and gets his beard dyed to match his hair,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: maybe lightened his hair, matched his hair. You have a
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: great look going with your beard and slight, slight salt
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: and pepper going. But it's a hard thing for a
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: guy to keep, when you start to dye your hair,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: it's a slippery slope before you look like Ronald Reagan.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: It's really, you have to like, and it costs money
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: because it's got to be just a little bit gray.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: It has to be the right color brown. And so
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: he does fix that situation. And he is a good
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: looking guy. So that was good. Before we went back
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: to running the casting sessions. These are the kids. Okay,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: so let's talk about Uh, the Tom Sandoval of it all,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: since we're talking about it, um, Tom Sandoval came out,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: he added something to his amendment.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Um, you want to get into this? Walk us through
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it since you have one too.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Just kidding.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: You have a big penis. We know you have a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: very big penis, but he said that Victoria Lee, his
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: girlfriend was, is so horrible, not just physically, but verbally
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: that she said, you have a tiny penis, a tiny penis.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And she kicked him in the tiny penis.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, are we surprised that Tom Sandoval has a
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: tiny penis?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he has it. It means that she
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: said it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Well, but if he had a big dick, she's not
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: going to be like, you have a tiny penis, because
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: he can be like, no, I don't.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, how do you know? She's had so many other men,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: she could have just been like, yours isn't as big
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: as Leonardo DiCaprio's. And you're never going to be him
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: with your hokey band.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Nobody can ever say that I have a tiny penis
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and I can confidently stand 10 toes down on that.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I have never seen it and I don't want
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: to because we're brother and sister, but whatever.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But with Tom Sandoval, I, the bigger question is why
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: he would put this in the document about like, you
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: don't need to ever.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: So did he just add this to the document?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: He added this to the document. Okay.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: This is why I think. Let's do our theories.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I have covered this and I'm telling you, Juicy Scoopers
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: don't care about this story. They don't care. And so
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I just feel like he's like, no, I
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: need people to care. I need people to care. And
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: you need to hear how cruel this woman is. And
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it's true. If we hear from now, Brittany, she's got
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: her people, um, Interview coming out. It was not available
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: for us to listen to at time of recording. She
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: sits down, do a long interview where she's going to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: talk about everything that's going on with Jax. Um, that
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: that's not on the show. He's not on the show,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: co-parenting whatnot and how, you know, upsetting it was to
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: find out that her publicist that worked for them for
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: 10 years is in fact dating him. And so we'll
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: hear about that. Um, but yeah, she would reveal oftentimes
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: that he criticized her weight gain after giving birth to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: their son. And that is awful. And every woman is like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Like your husband calls you
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: fat after you give birth. So I think he's kind
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: of taking that, that yes, that is awful, but it's
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: also awful. And I will give him this. When a
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: woman says something like your dick doesn't work, which Katie
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Maloney remember said that to Tom Schwartz, your dick doesn't work,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: your dick is small. Because it's one thing, there is
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: some weird plastic surgery you can do to make your
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: dick bigger, but it's pretty much you're born with your
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: dick sized.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So it's a pretty cruel thing to say.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: You know, to somebody else.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Because even a woman can get a breast implant.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: A woman can lose weight.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: A woman can get a boob job.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: A woman can get her flat ass filled.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: A woman can change her appearance. Or like Brandi Glendale,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: she got a, what was it, a vaginal rejuvenation.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: You can make it tighter.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: But it's a lot of work to get like a
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: penis pump or whatever. And so it's just like a
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: really low blow mean thing when women sit around in
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a podcast studio or whatever and said, oh, this guy
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: has this. I remember there was a Curb Your Enthusiasm,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and he's like, why isn't anyone saying, like, you have
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: a big vagina? Maybe you have a huge-ass vagina. Why
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: do you think my dick is so small? Maybe your
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: dick is so cavernous that, you know, it's like a
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: hot dog down a hallway or whatever they say. So
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's what he wanted. He wanted people to know, like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you've got to really realize how fucking horrible this chick
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: was to me.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Because she kicked him in the small dick? Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Did this make you have any more compassion for him, though? Like,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: was it effective?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't think any— I' m not happy when
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: anybody is in some bad fucking toxic relationship. But it
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: is just interesting because, like, I follow, like, WeHo News
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: West Hollywood News. And somebody just, like, filmed, like, them
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: taking down the pump and the TomTom. Or maybe the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: TomTom staying.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: It's just the pump, yeah.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Just pump and TomTom staying.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, you know, so they're no longer
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: part of TomTom. Tom Schwartz is on The Valley, and
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I'll go here. Tom Schwartz is on The Valley, and
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't know. It's interesting when people
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: aren't on TV. That's why we have to give Stassi credit,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that even though she was canceled, she still managed to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: keep an audience.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And gain some people back and grow it. I mean,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting on the Stassi show where
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: she was like, oh, my two favorite people from the
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: villa are coming over today. And they were like these
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: two really pretty black girls. But then they brought up
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that like, oh, we enjoyed you until I
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: went home and realized.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: That you had said.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Some racist thing about black girls. And I was like, well, again,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you're addressing it. I mean, because we're all
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: thinking it when we see that the two girls that
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: you clicked with on the villa were the two pretty
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: black girls. Like, it's just kind of, that's convenient, you know? Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But totally possible and real. Like, you might really have
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: liked them.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't get that impression from watching the villa,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: but I'm glad.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: That they were best friends.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: They picked up a paycheck.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah like oh hulu wants to give us a crossover
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: another paycheck okay we'll show up yeah we'll show up.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And say hey we googled your.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Race we didn't we didn't realize you were a bitch um.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah so i don't know we'll see what happens with
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: him but i'm telling you this i just don't you
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: feel that way a little bit with tom.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Probably I mean, I didn't think of that before, but
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like probably. I think you're right. He like wants some
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: sort of he wants his Ariana Maddox moment. He wants
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: them to feel sorry for him now.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: And then he says that she said or people said
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: she was hoping to get her Ariana Maddox moment. Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: As the victim of him. Yeah. Like, she's going to
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: be hosting, like, the Love Island. Like, she's going to be,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: what's her name?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to Ciara?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: She's going to be in Chicago.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine Victoria in Chicago?
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess nobody really was into that after show
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: with Ciara from Summer House. But then she, like, is, like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: doing a music video with, I forgot his name.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Dre.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: No, his name's, like, Bandoozle or something. No, what's his name?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was doing music videos.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Badoozy, Badoozy. Oh, my God. I don't know.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: He he was like he was that stagecoach. He's like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: a black cowboy singer, country singer.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Anyway, they're supposed to be like possibly dating.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, and she's in his music video.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And now I'm going to get murdered for not
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: knowing this guy's name.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: But whatever. I don't even know who he is. So, well,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it wrong. That's why. But I don't even
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: know anything. But it sounds like.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: You recognize the song.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: OK, but whatever. OK, so we wish them well. Okay,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I want to just talk about this really quickly because
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: People Magazine wrote about this. They said Chelsea Handler calls
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan completely uninformed after he's named highest paid podcaster
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: of 2026. What I gathered was there was that article
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: that came out about the highest paid podcasters. Yeah. And
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: his was like 82 million a year. Yeah. From Forbes.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: And these things are not always accurate. Sometimes you have
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: to submit them. Sometimes they're true. They're probably pretty close, okay?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: And we know he's at the top of the totem pole,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: as he should be. He's been doing it the longest,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: or one of the people that have been doing it
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: the longest. So anyway, she wrote in the comment, like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: he's so uninformed, and who is even listening to him?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: They should give this money to vets or....
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Like veterinarians or like veterans?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Like veterans. Oh, OK. You should give it to veterans
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: and like somebody else. OK, I can't remember veterans and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: somebody else. And of course, everybody's like, what? And I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: just was like, there's nothing that bugs me more than
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: when someone says what they should give that money to.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: This money should go to you should take your salary in.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Or when someone gives money, they're like, well, that's just
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: a drop in the bucket.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Or that's just for a tax write off. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Or like just like what you were making. There was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: a whole article where they when we were in Chelsea lately,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: where they figured out how much each late night person
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: was making per listener, per watcher. Okay.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: And she was making the most per watcher.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Because we were cable.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: And she was getting paid so much. I'm like, I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: don't think she would appreciate if someone's like, well.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: She should give, you know, 10 of the $ 16 per
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: person to the veterans. That are living down the street
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: from our building.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: When she was on Chelsea lately, she wouldn't even issue
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: an apology. I mean, how many times did you guys
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: have the groups that were like, Chelsea needs to apologize
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: to this minority. And she wouldn't even apologize, let alone
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: give a portion of her proceeds to the veterans.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: This is the thing. It was just a comment under
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: a post. She's in a lot. She's been commenting a lot.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: She's like answering people back. So she's spending a lot
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: of time. So that's fine.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Well, when you don't have kids, you have a lot
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of time to spend in the comment section.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And she doesn't want kids. We get it. Nobody, nobody,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you're 51. No one's expecting you to have kids. No
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: one cared that you didn't have them. No one pushed
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: you to have them.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: No one's pushing anybody to have them at this point.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Like you could absolutely be a single lady. It's okay.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: No one cares.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sit in your bed without a top on and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: respond to all the Joe Rogan fans on Instagram. That
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: sounds like a lovely life. I'm so jealous. What it
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: is is projection, right? Because he was able to do
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: what she wanted to do after her. her pop culture era.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Remember when she tried to go on tour and talk
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to people that she disagreed with?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, the political tour.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's doing it in a very non-political way
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: of having real, meaningful conversations with people that people actually
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: want to listen to. Nobody cared to see Chelsea Handler
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: go and fight with Tommy Lauren in Nevada to talk
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: about politics. Nobody gave a shit about that, but that's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: what she wanted to do because she's looking for meaning
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: in her life Because she's reached this peak woke whatever
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: where she needs to feel important to like make up
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: for all the money that she's made and she doesn't
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: have much of a purpose left anymore.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: And the greatest thing about streaming services and podcasting is
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: you have to go through a few steps to listen
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: So if you don't like what someone's preaching, you don't
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: have to listen to it. So to think like, oh,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: he's saying these things that I don't agree with that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: are making people not agree with me. Like, who cares? Like,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: it's not the news saying it. It's not being projected
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: through our Alexa when we don't ask for it. And
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: everyone's like, God, I don't like that propaganda. Like, it's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: just whatever.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Like, who cares? Anyway. Um, the Holly, the wives out,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: this was a Hollywood reporter and it came across as
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: the cover and it's got, you know, all the boogies.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: And it's got like, you know, Luann, Vicky, all the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: housewives and it's wives out. So when I first saw
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: it on my scroll, I thought it was, these are
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: all the housewives that are out of the closet. Because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: there's been so many lesbian storylines in the last couple years,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I thought they were doing like a pride episode, like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: a pride cover.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, there's Kyle.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: But don't you think that's a weird title, Wives Out?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's meant to be like Knives Out.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, that movie was that big of a thing?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: No, the phrase Knives Out, like, you know, the movie
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: is based off of the phrase, and I think this
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: is a play on words with, that phrase of like,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: nice out.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It was Kyle and it's Portia, so we're two out lesbians.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Teresa was, went to prison, so we know she did some,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: probably did something.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't Luann, I feel like Luann's.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that, Vicky, I've never had multiple partners in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: my life, so she's definitely not. There is, you know what,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: out of all the housewives, I can, Really say, I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: 100% know that Vicki has never kissed a woman, touched
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: a tit, that wasn't in a joking way, let me
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: fill your breast augmentation, Of all the housewives, she is
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: the straightest.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: She would have never groped Caroline.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: She is the straightest of the straight. And then Giselle
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: seems pretty straight, too. But that's what I thought when
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I first looked at it.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And Lisa Barlow.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: And Lisa Barlow. No, I'm not gay. But baby gorgeous.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I love that song. It's good.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: It's actually a really good song.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: You're so. What is it?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: How's it go? You're just gorgeous.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Baby gorgeous.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: It rhymes. It's so good.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I've used it in one of my posts. So yeah,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: they're doing this whole thing. They're out and having fun.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: We've got the season 20. How are you feeling about OC?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I think they look great. Tamara looks incredible. Emily looks incredible.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Are you afraid of Tamara too?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be like, I'm going to take my
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: vote from Carol Radswell. Really, Zach? Are you afraid of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Tamara Judge too? Remember when she said that to Andy
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: about Bethany?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Carol can fuck off.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: No, she's my fave. Okay, but that's okay. So everyone
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: looks good. Everyone looks attractive.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: They look great. The season's a little meh. It's not
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the big banger that I was expecting for the big
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: RH20 that they were trying to pimp out. But you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: never know. I mean, I'm hoping it gets better. I mean,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I like the Vicky's back.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: We'll watch.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Shannon, she's not happy with you because you made fun
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: of her falling everywhere. I know. Like she was Fergie
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and clumsy. She was very you hurt. That's OK.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: You know what? I'm going to have boundaries with camera.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: We're not going to just be all skipping through the daisies.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Did you talk about the Andy Cohen bill? Oh, yes.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: The quiet woman.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: The quiet woman. Well, yeah, I did expect the quiet woman.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I won't even say the name of the restaurant anymore.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start to go to Blaze Pizza now. Yeah,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: that whole thing was just funny. And she just admitted, yeah,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: she was like, absolutely, they should be paying for it.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: You know, they should be so excited. It doesn't matter. Like, whatever.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: They were there. And I think she did to help
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: their business.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: But, you know.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: She got caught, and she was honest when she got caught.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: She did say, yeah, that's what I said. So, like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I'll take that. But, yeah, it's fine. There's really just
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: nothing to say about it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what story. Like, I don't even
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: know what story to talk about. There's no whole storyline
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: from the season that's, like, riveting or, like, exciting or interesting.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: No. Dorit claims that she's her primary... her kid's primary
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: caregiver in the child support battle. This just keeps going on.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: This is an awful divorce between Dorit and PK. And
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: PK's trying to get his story out, that she is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: a you know just spends spends and spends shopaholic they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: still haven't they still have the Encino home but she
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: was like in.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Europe for weeks celebrating her birthday with her new boyfriend
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: without the kids.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Does she have a new boyfriend yeah That just wasn't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: some gay guy?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Like a young boyfriend, yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I just figured she was with a bunch of gays. Well,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: that's good.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they'd confirmed. He's like a younger dude
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: and she's like dating him.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Good for her. Listen, we, again, we care about the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: kids and all this. So they shouldn't, whatever this is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: needs to be settled. But I do feel like when
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: you hear PK's side, it's like he created a monster.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: And when I read her book, Oh, you read it?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I read her book, and she was very, like, lovey-dovey
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: complimentary about him in looking back at their life. Yeah. Like,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: he's such a genius. He was, you know, had all
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: these great entrepreneurial ideas. He was spur of the moment.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: He was fun. He was da-da-da. We were so happy.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, I think once she got on the show,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: their marriage would have changed anyway. Just everybody changes when
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you've been— When they go on the show, yeah. When
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: you go on the show. But everybody also changes when
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: you age. Yeah. your marriage and your relationship at 25
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: is going to be different than at 45. It just
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: is because you've both grown 20 years.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: It could be better. It could be worse. It could
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: be things. So like there's a chance that they would
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: have grown apart anyway, but that, you know, the show
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: didn't help. The drinking didn't help.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. He did create kind of a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: monster by giving her every, I mean that, and then
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: like housewives world, like that really gets to their head
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: and they think that they're bigger than the show. until
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: they leave the show, and then they end up like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval, desperate for attention by making people feel sorry
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that he has a tiny penis. But I think Dorit
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: is just, you know, she's... I think she needs to
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: be making some wiser decisions, right? If PK really is
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: as bad as she's trying to make him out to be,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: then like you need to find a way to navigate
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: him and not antagonize him.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Like she keeps spending money. She trashes him on the show.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Like if I were PK, I would kind of be
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: pissed too if I'm expected to pay the mortgage and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: to pay all the bills and you're just spending frivolously
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: on designer items and you're just buying all of these
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: clothes and yet you're expecting me to pay all the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: bills and And then you're calling me an alcoholic and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: talking shit about me on the Real Housewives. Like I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: would be pissed too.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: And then she says, you know, I'm the one that's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: with the kids 95% of the time. Well, he allegedly
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: had a plan to take them to Europe to spend
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: their summer vacation with him. And then she, he blames
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: her for not updating the passports. So now he had
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: this plan and he couldn't take them.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: And, um, It's just it's just a bummer.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's made a few different allegations about how like
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: she's like she kind of blocks his time with the kids.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Like even when she went to Europe and the kids,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, were staying with her parents. He wasn't aware
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. And he was like, I wasn't told
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I could have had the kids while you were in Europe. Like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: you know, why? And you didn't tell me you're not
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: communicating where the kids are, what the plans are. And yeah,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if she's saying that she spends 95%
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of the time with them, then I think a lot
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: of the kids' responsibilities do fall back onto her in
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: terms of updating the passports and making sure that, you know,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: the kids' schedules are aligned.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you something, Zach. I want something about
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: PK that maybe you aren't aware of is I let
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: him know that I had these plans and I said,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know where the passports are.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Okay. So that's not my fault that they were not renewed.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: And quite honestly, this man tortures me daily. He tortures
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: me daily. And I need these clothes for what I do,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: which is filming the show. There you go, mind you.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: And there's no arguing with her. When she's right, she's right.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Truly, truly.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad she has a boyfriend.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: That will be fun to see. I want to see
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see the boyfriend. I want to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: see them all really dating.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He says she's spending crazy on fashion and travel
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: while ignoring the mortgage payments. She claims he's the one
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: dropping serious cash on personal expenses while not paying bills.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I believe he has a girlfriend, too.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. Really?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: The girls are coming. Khloe Kardashian's friends. It's on Hulu,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: August 21st. And it's Chloe.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I just realized she's not. Wait a minute.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Chloe's not in there.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: She's not in the poster?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: It's not about her.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: So she just put these girls together to.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Fight each other. Yeah, the show is about the girls. Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: And she'll, like, make a cameo here and there.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Oh. Okay, well, there's these two girls that had their
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: own show, these Canadian girls that are sisters, right?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Nat and Liv, and then even the Malikas had their show, Dolls,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the Dolls.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were like Kardashian dolls. They worked at the store.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: And they'd have like fights about who didn't fold the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: jeans right. Okay, that didn't work. And then this girl
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: is just some new girl. I don't know, some pretty.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: They're all pretty. I don't know who these two are.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who the other two are.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Are we excited? I don't think so. I don't know.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I think, I think maybe, maybe this is the time
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: that it'll work.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, people do like just to see like gorgeous girls.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: But the Kardashians don't work without the Kardashians, you know?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: And even then I feel like people are a little
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Kardashian fatigued when it comes to reality TV.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: But being that this is Hulu as well, maybe it's,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: What if it was the same production company as Stassi's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: or they're stealing that style? Like maybe if it's like, okay,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: we're going to see if this reality show works now.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: But you need a hook.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe it does have a hook.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Stassi's hook was this was her comeback. The Mormon Wives,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: their hook was, you know, they played into the Mormon
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Wives thing. Whereas remember the first kind of promo was
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: them and those like ugly, like blue.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Whatever that was, coats that they had on and they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: were like walking, holding hands. Like they leaned into the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: weirdness of Mormonism and like these girls are all sleeping
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: with each other and each other's husbands. Whereas like I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: don't know what the hook is with these other than
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: they're Khloe Kardashian's friends. And Khloe Kardashian's friends isn't a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: strong enough hook for me to care. And I like
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Khloe Kardashian. I like the Kardashians. I would rather watch
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: another boring season of the Kardashians than watch the girls.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: I think though like you might not be the audience
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: for it. Like I think it could just be.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Who's the audience?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Young, like, 25-year-old women that are, like— Oh, like the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Nader girls? That are, like, you know, that are still
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: obsessed with, like, going to La La Land or Erewhon and, like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the mystery of L.A. and what's it like to be, like,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: a rich Calabasas young mom and go on their— I don't know,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: like— We'll see. We'll see what it is. We'll see
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: if they're friends, if they're fighting, if it's manufactured, if
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: it's breaking the fourth wall.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Well, there are two sets of sisters, right? I mean, we're.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Watching Real Housewives of OC right now where we have
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: to see them do their TikToks.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: And criticize each other about bad TikToks.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: At least these girls have real like brand deals and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: are like stunning and like have fashion sense.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: And are fucking like hot guys.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Listen, I hope that they're able to kind of. I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: think they needed more Khloe, though.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: We still might have to see them do their TikToks.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. Well, like the Mormon wives, we see
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: them do their TikToks.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Did you see what on Real Housewives of OC they
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: put like nylons over their head to blow out a candle?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: What were they doing? That's a trend. I never saw
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: that trend. I don't do trends. Like, I just do
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: funny shit and, like, move on. I don't do, like.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm bad at trends.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Who cares about the trends? I mean, they're all obsessed
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: with those trends, but I guess if that's what gets
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: people to watch your shit.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Who cares? I guess, yeah. There are, like, the dancey trends, yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: But we have to.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Watch the behind the... Like, I'm always like, God, like,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I do feel like Gita really does work hard because
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: she has to sell the houses with the husband, the fiance.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Then she has to do all these TikTok trends.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: And then she has to... go film this show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's why Vicki's her mentor. Vicki's going to teach
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  Speaker 3: Ugh.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to end it. I can't, I can't
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  Speaker 2: deal with anything anymore. Listen, Zach, you're such a delight.
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  Speaker 2: You have so much going on. You're such a wealth
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  Speaker 1: TikTok, Instagram, X.
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  Speaker 2: And you do a lot of like hot takes like
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And funny stuff too. And so very entertaining to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. And everything for me is at heathermcdonald.net. Thank you.
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