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Weekend Recap, Scott Dochterman on College Football & rivalry trophies · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right, good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon.
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On a Monday is the Iowa Sports Radio Network gears back up for
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the next 6 hours of Iowa based programming?
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Trent Condon and myself, Ken Miller, we'll start things off
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and take you until 2:00. Then off the bench come Sean
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Roberts and Lucas Strain until 5:00.
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The final hour, 5 until 6 is overtime Iowa.
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A little snippet from the first quarter from Miller and Condon
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and from off the bench, here's what's coming up with Trent
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tonight. Today we'll talk to Scott
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Dockerman at the bottom of the hour.
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He wrote an interesting piece on the Big 10 and their affinities
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for travelling trophies. So we'll talk to Doc about his
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latest writings, etcetera with Scott pick his brain on college
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football related topics. That coming up at the bottom of
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our number one, Matt Snyder kicks off the second hour.
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He covers Major League Baseball, CBSSports.com.
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Looking forward to that segment as I do each and every Monday as
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the teams have reached the All Star break and we head into the
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doldrums of really not a lot going on other than the All Star
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game tomorrow, Home Run Derby tonight.
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There's a couple in WNBA games, but that aside.
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So we'll talk to Matt Snyder and then Bill Seals will recap what
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he saw in Frisco and preview what he thinks you'll hear
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tomorrow as TJ Utzelberger and the Iowa State men's basketball
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program have scheduled a media availability tomorrow that comes
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up. But we'll talk to a bill prior
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to that. Get Trent's plays of the day.
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I'm guessing they'll be a Home Run Derby contestant or two.
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That'll be part of it. And I'm not sure if there's any
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WNBA tonight or not. I don't think there is no there
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is tomorrow, but none the less good to see.
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How are you? How was your weekend?
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It was a busy one, a lot of softball, but the season comes
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to an end. 7th in the country, At least the teams that entered
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the tournament this weekend, so it was pretty good.
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It was wrapped it up yesterday, fell to a team in on the
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backside of the bracket, the bracket of opportunity as I
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taught the girls. About Did you get banished to
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the bracket of opportunity right off the bat?
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We won a game, then dropped one, then bounced back and won one on
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the backside of the bracket before we made it to Sunday and
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that was a realistic goal. Was the goal.
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Yes, we made it to Sunday, but the season is over and a lot of
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tears from the team and they had old ball coach starting to well
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up a little bit there. So I had to turn it over to one
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of my great assistant coaches that was handed out some some
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photo albums afterwards because well seen your daughter cry with
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all of her friends, the girls that she's got to know so well.
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That was a tough one for coach. So welled up a little bit and a
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great season. Really, really fun and so, so
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happy that I did it for a second here.
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You know, I told you at the beginning, people know who we
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are. It's not arrogance, it's just
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reality and I don't want to be the guy, you know, maybe having
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a conversation with the umpire. I just didn't want to do it and
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kind of got pulled into it. Year #1 tough year, lot of girls
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just learning the game. So happy I decided to do it for
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year #2 it was incredibly rewarding.
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The families were incredible, a great group of families on top
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of it, and that's not always the case as I learned.
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You're lucky and just an incredible season.
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So I'm hanging it up as a head coach, going now back to the
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assistant role going. Forward.
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Good for you. Well, we need more coaches,
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kids. It's like youth programs in all
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sports. And certainly we need more
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umpires and officials, etc. Both are very difficult to come
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by. Well, it's funny mentioned
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crying because I didn't my night crying last night.
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A phenomenal, A phenomenal. I really did.
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I watched. I turned on Southpaw because
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there's nothing on nothing. I'd watched a couple of edition
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of episodes rather of quarterback the new series.
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It's good, it's good. I watched episode 1.
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Did you? You talked me into it and now
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I'm mad at myself that I didn't watch though Southpaw because
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holy mackerel, I've heard a ton about it.
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It's. Phenomenal.
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The story, everything that goes along with it.
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So yes, that's that is definitely this week is going to
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be on the docket for. Me is impact on children who are
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born with the similar handicap to him.
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Yeah, and for people who don't know Jim Abbott.
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It's we should say this right, People don't not necessarily
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know. Exactly.
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Yeah, his his no hitter was in the 90s and we're in 2025,
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Kenneth, so get with it. But, yeah, I was born with one
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hand and learned, taught himself to play baseball, you know, with
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a glove and it became a pitcher and a really good pitcher,
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college scholarships, etcetera. And and his transformation from,
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you know, it was OK for him to be talked about.
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The notoriety that came with it as he moved up the ladder to it
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really being a burden on him that he was still continued to
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be referred to the pitcher with one hand.
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And he wanted to outgrow that. And it took being ripped by a
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guy by the great writer Jack Curry from The New York Times
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who covered baseball for decades, who called him an
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underachiever. And that struck A chord with Jim
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Abbott. But, but Jack Curry was not
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saying you're an underachiever in life.
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You're an underachiever on the on the mound.
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And you've been all of your life been been seeking that
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affirmation of, yes, we see you as a baseball player and a
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pitcher. And it dawned on him later that
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night that he'd finally arrived at that point.
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And he got a hold of Jack Curry right away.
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But it's, it's that that's not the, you know, what sent me over
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the edge. It was the impact the children
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who were born with one hand that Jim Abbott had on them.
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It's phenomenal. It really, really was.
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I'm so glad I watched it. I mean, there's nothing else,
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but I, I, I wasn't searching or seeking for anything else
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because. And if you haven't watched it,
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I'm sure it's if you got ESPN plus, it's available at any
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time. And this week with nothing on,
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I'm guessing ESPN will find a way on their multitude of
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platforms to wear it again. But I'm glad I watched.
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It's a really good show. Anyways, if you get a chance, I
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think you'll, you'll, you, the listening audience will be glad
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you did, because what a story. Speaking of that, Speaking of
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what watch last night with no baseball on, I introduced my
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kids for the first time to The Sandlot.
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Now I'm sure for you I didn't see it Movie came out in 93, my
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youth, my wife's youth about baseball, about kids, about a
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big dog. I mean just and really hit a
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chord with them the. Chubby fat, The red curly red
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hair. Yes.
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What's his name? Well, Ham is his name in the
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movie. What's his real name in real
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life? OK, he'll always be Ham.
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Yeah, yeah, he'll be that guy. Squints is the kid with the
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glasses. It's I think it's something that
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you would even still get a kick off.
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I mean, it's nostalgia. It's about these kids growing up
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in the 60s. OK, Yeah, yeah, it's a little
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something there. So I think even today, if you're
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looking for something, flip that on Disney Plus is where where it
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was because it was on after America's Funniest Home videos.
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The kids always get a kick out of that one last night at 8:00
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for a long time. Well, then we started watching
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and went to commercial like, hey, let's just flip it on
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Disney Plus, watch it that way. I'd do it without the
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commercials. But yeah, the kids enjoyed that
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one. So that's where we are now.
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Right as we're counting down to football.
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It is finding every different avenue.
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I know. I'm going to guess you didn't
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watch a serve of Wimbledon. No, not one.
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I just don't. It's still, of all the sports,
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that's the one that always baffles me.
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You love competition. I do.
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And I love individual pursuits normally, and this is.
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And how that just has never grabbed you.
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Well, it did in the 70s when it was Connor and and Borg and you
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know, Martina and Steffi and Chrissy and I mean all one
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names, right? Bjorn.
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And I mean, back back in those times, back in, in that era, I
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did watch it, but I just, I don't know, the players don't
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love the players. Well, we might be getting it now
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with Alcaraz and Sinner how they have separated themselves.
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Joker is. In the end, yeah, yeah.
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He's come to the backside, he's still incredibly good, but he's
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not at those two guys level is maybe we're setting up with
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something like that. You know, for me initially it
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was Yvonne Lendl. Of course.
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Sure, yeah. You know, that run in the late
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80s was the one kind of, I was starting to form and watching.
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Well, there's only sports on during summertime, right?
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Is Wimbledon during these couple of weeks or?
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Respecter ran into legal trouble.
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Really. I don't even.
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Remember, I think it was, it was back in Germany where he's from.
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It might have been he didn't pay his taxes, OK, But I think he
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served jail time anyways. Yeah, I think he did.
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And Avant Landel, who was kind of that crafty lefty and and
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that and then of course, the the women's game and how that
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continued to explode. So yeah, I've always enjoyed.
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I've never. Been zealous since you got
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knifed in the back, right? In Germany, wasn't it?
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It might have been Gunt or something.
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Was the guy's name. Yes, that.
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Crazy what you remember. It is what sticks with you, but
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tennis has never been certainly at the forefront for me.
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But it's something I always enjoy and when we get to
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September and the US Opens going on, there'll be some pisses me
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off and they'll be bad about. Covering up football.
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Right, it usually doesn't. They usually try to keep that
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away. Did they build a new stadium or
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did they still get the the planes from LaGuardia going?
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I think they yeah, it's still there.
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It's still, it's close, but I don't know if they just expanded
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or what it is, but sure, yeah, late night tennis.
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Yeah, I'm out. I'm out.
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I'm out. What?
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What baseball caught your attention this weekend?
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Any of. It yeah, my twins trying to get
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back to 500 and fell to 1 yesterday to make that happen.
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Buxton had a cycle job. So this was the game me and my
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buddies were initially planning on going to.
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Yeah. And then Nationals were this
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week. So I wasn't able to make it.
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So I was getting a lot of crap for my buddies that we were not
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there watching Byron Buxton hip for a triple hip for the cycle
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in that one. So a lot of that, that's kind of
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where my viewing was. Watch a little bit of Cubs,
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Yankees. Good series.
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Cubs got blown out on Friday, took the next two.
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Got to be happy with that. Yeah, Matthew Boyd was fantastic
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on Saturday and another well pitched game yesterday.
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So as we look at and we take another snapshot here, the Cubs
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are right there to have the best record in the league.
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They have the second best record in the league.
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They do. You know who has the third best
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record in the league? The Brewers.
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The Brewers. So we got this dichotomy.
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Object in your rearview mirror may be closer than it seems.
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You got this Cubs team that has on the periphery in a year that
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maybe it's more open than some years.
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With the Dodgers not seemingly being the jugger, they're still
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19 games above 5 foot, right? And then we think that they're.
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Yeah, yeah. And they haven't peaked right.
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They haven't hit their apex yet and that's what the Dodger yet.
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Well, you lose six games in a row, you start wondering.
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Or no, it was 7. In a year like that.
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But then you go the other way and here's the Brewers not on
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your heels. I mean, the difference between
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being the one seed, have a home field through the NL and having
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to host in the wild card round and the extra tax that that's
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going to be on you 2, maybe 3 games that you're going to have
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to do just to get to the divisional series.
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And then how compact it is and you're going to need 4 starters
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on and on and on. It just this is going to be an
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incredible race down the stretch in a couple of different ways,
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not just the division chasing the best record.
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Is that a realistic possibility? What do you do?
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There's still holes on this team.
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This is. My third base, there's a real
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There's a glaring hole for the Cubs.
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Let's see here for six weeks. Capy didn't want to.
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Believe in no, and I didn't either because I like Matt
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Shaw's I like, but he can't hit a lick.
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Can't. No.
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Not now, No. Will he develop into a decent
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hitter? Probably.
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But he's not there now, and the window is now.
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Absolutely is. Go spend.
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Yeah, go spend. Easy to say.
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Well, in case he's going to be out the door, he seems like he's
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the guy that I mean, he tore it up in the prospect game this
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weekend every time. I mean, there's seldom a game
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goes by. They're just not doing something
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with the bat in his hand. I didn't realize he's a Canadian
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kid too. So he moves up another notch in
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my book. But yeah, that the Cubs there.
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I totally agree with you. The window is absolutely right
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now. What are you going to do?
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And the wild card races in both leagues are going to be off the
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charts strength. The depth that you have on both
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sides, teams that haven't been there like the Angels, the
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Angels on, isn't this the time A-Team like that?
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If they do hang around for the next two weeks, we get to July
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31st, you got to do something. I would think they're six games
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out of the best wild card. They're four games out of being
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a wild card. So they're, I mean, they've got
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a bunch of teams. But normally I look at it at
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this point, I don't know if it's right or if it's wrong or if I
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just made this number up in my head or if it actually means
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some. You got to be within 5.
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OK. That's how I look at it at this
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point. So we got six teams that are
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there. The Orioles are out.
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Orioles, A's and White Sox at The American.
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League, yeah, I think that's fair, right?
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I mean, none of those teams are getting anywhere close to.
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It I think you can cross out the Guardians.
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I do too, because what little pieces they have, maybe outside
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of Ramirez they need to trade and maybe it's time for a reset
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after they've been able to keep it together lately.
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Seems like the Royals are out of.
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It yes. Nice win yesterday, although
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they coughed up the lead but won it an extras.
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I I think they're out of it. We know Tampa is not going to
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spend. They might make some moves, but
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they're going to be. They had a tough weekend against
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the the surging Boston Red Sox. How about that?
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Who now are the second? Well, because.
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Wow, they've won ten straight games.
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And they are just a game back and tied in the win column with
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the Yankees. How crazy is that to that?
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Good? So the Rays aren't going to
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spend the Rangers the way that you wonder if the Rangers have
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the financial flexibility to do without knowing anything off the
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top of my head above their kind of ownership group of what
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they're planning to spend. But they've got a huge payroll.
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They're still under 500. Is that a team that's going to
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say, let's just add some more to it and maybe have to pay the
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luxury tax or whatever it turns out to be?
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No. I think they, I think they stand
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pat, if not, if anything. We obviously have talked about
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the twins. I would be shocked if they do
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anything financially to help this team.
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There's a lot of sellers and there are a lot of teams that
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are. That's where I go back to the
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Angels, depending on where it is.
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But if you were within 2, three games of a wild card spot at
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that point and you look around at your neighbors in the
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American League wild card race and not a lot of people are
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going to be spending, maybe this is a time you push it together.
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But Speaking of the Angels, seeing Reggie Willetts kid get
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drafted #1I. Did.
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So I see the name. I'm like, why is that name?
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How? Where have I seen that name
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before? Oh, Reggie Willetts, man, I'm
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old. Hopefully he's a better ball
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player than his dad though. It's yeah.
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And I guess that was a shock. I don't know, but apparently.
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Nobody no more. He's going to sign under slot.
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Under because the slot's 8 million.
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And 11 guaranteed. Is it 11?
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Yeah, and he's probably going to be more than that.
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Eight. Wow.
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So they'll be able to save for their second, third, fourth
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round picks and be able to spend that way.
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So maybe that's that. They have a wink and a nod that
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that was going to be the deal with him since we're talking
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baseball and we are a lot being made about the Mizuroski thing.
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You know what, Trent? Sadly, when I look at this event
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that meant there there was, I mean, there, there was when I
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was a kid, Major League Baseball ulcer game.
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Was it other than hockey? It was it because you see your
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guys and and you and baseball wasn't on TV every night, right?
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In fact, it was on once a week maybe where I grew up, this was
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it. But you know what?
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Unfortunately, when I look at this game now, what it's
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becoming the Pro Bowl. It's the Pro Bowl.
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It's not that bad. It's not that bad, but it's
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trending in that direction. All the opt outs and I get
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there's a lot of pitchers, but I'm seeing more opt outs of the
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end of the Major League Baseball All Star game than ever before.
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And you know, one of the things that I think has a big is a big
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factor in it. Back in the day, these guys had
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to go, this was $25,000, right? Right.
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They're making 75 grand for the year before they go do the job
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in the offseason. This was a massive windfall for
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them to be selected to be a part of this thing.
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It's not anymore. Sure, some guys have it in the
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clause in their contract. They're, you know, they're
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making 50 million a year plus if they make the All Star game,
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there's an extra 50,000. Come on, that's a drop in a
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bucket to these guys, but it's starting to take on some of
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those tendencies that it's not the prestige.
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This is how I see it that it once was because of the fact
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that these guys are willing are almost some of them searching
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for a reason not to be a part of it.
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Another big piece of it is interleague play, because at
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that time that was the. Only was the World Series of
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this. These were the times that we got
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to see all the stars go up against each other.
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You got to see Roger Clemens go up against Barry Bonds.
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You didn't get to see that during the regular season.
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You got now we get to see it for a single week.
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We have those every night. Every night we have those
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matchups and because of that, I think that's also taken a part
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of the shine. Away, no question is the Inner
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League play, which I love. Don't get me wrong, I like Italy
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play. I do too.
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And I enjoy that we get to see, and now that they've set it up
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in a way where you get to see every team every year, I don't
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have a problem with, nor do I like a lot of people do.
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Going from 18 down to 15 games with your division visual, mate,
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that's fine. Yeah, that's OK.
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You know, moving that down from that 18 number, that was too
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much. Yeah, 18 was too many.
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Times it was that was that was over saturation.
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I agree. Yeah, for every Cubs Cardinals
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that you get 18 times, you also get Pirates rats, you know, 18
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times throughout the course of the year.
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That was too much of that part. Of it.
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So Mizeroski, he's made 5 starts skiing, started the game last
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year he did after making eleven starts.
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I mean, I get if you're, if one of your you feel like one of
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your teammates got snubbed, I'll tell you this, I meant to do
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this. I wonder if the Phillies and the
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Brewers play again this year because that'll be appointment
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TV after some of the crap that the Phillies were chatting about
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their guy Miss Ross, like Miss Roski's a star baseball, got
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criticized for not doing enough to promote their young stars.
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Remember the Mike Trout blowback?
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Oh yes, you know what you got a bona fide superstar Major League
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Baseball. Take advantage of this promote.
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Well, here's one that fell into your lap and you put him in the
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All Star and this is the blowback you're getting.
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It's big deal. He's going to pitch 1 inning.
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If that, if that, if that. Right, yeah, I'm, I'm guess I'm
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anxious to see how Dave Roberts uses him tomorrow.
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Absolutely. Maybe he doesn't.
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I would not be surprised maybe. He's a hard ass that he didn't
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know when well he just didn't get around to getting him in.
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Happens to one player. One pitcher every year doesn't
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get in the game. This year, it happens to be.
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Him and being the latest ad isn't probably that the way it
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probably should be anyway. I don't.
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Well, and not only that, if you're the Brewers, look, you
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got an innings limit on this guy.
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You got a pitch limit on this guy this season.
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Go have fun. Let's just save that arm, even
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for an inning. How?
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Will the players treat him? I think fine.
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They won't shun him. I don't think so.
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Now there might be some Phillies guys.
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I hope there's another pull out though and Sanchez just gets in.
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Can we get one more guy today that says well?
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Didn't the Phil, I mean, I got to give the Phillies credit.
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Yeah, they they wrote him his check.
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They wrote him that bonus for being named to the All Star team
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when he wasn't. And well done, Philly.
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How many times have we seen late in the season you know you need
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525 at basketball? You're at 520.
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Yeah, Take the day off. And Eddie Moore, that's not as
19:14
big of a deal, but some of the young guys and and you see those
19:16
kind of things like, come on, what are you doing here?
19:19
And to see it go the other way. And the Phillies?
19:21
Do the thing. I thought that was a pretty
19:23
classy gesture. That's a good way to get a
19:24
little camaraderie with your front office and your ownership
19:27
group and your players, too. No, I'm anxious to see it.
19:29
So tonight we've got the Home Run Derby.
19:32
Are you going to go out of your way to watch it?
19:37
Well, I got baseball tonight. Oh, so there you go, there's
19:39
your answer. The answer is either.
19:40
You can watch it on your phone. Or Yep, I'll probably have it on
19:43
and if Buxton, you know, if Buxton isn't fancing, that will
19:46
change. Does that, does that mean more
19:47
to you because one of your twins?
19:48
Yeah. Does it still that that
19:50
definitely ratchet? And that's not just any player.
19:53
You know, it's not like the year that Ron Coomer was the Twins
19:55
home star. It's Byron Buxton and watching
19:58
the trials and tribulations of this guy, knowing his story,
20:01
knowing he's a Georgia kid, get to play an All Star game back
20:04
home, get to do the Home Run Derby and just watching this guy
20:07
and how talented he is. And yet can't stay on the field.
20:11
The injuries and now he's finally having that healthy
20:14
season and annoying the year. I think it was the year 2 years
20:17
ago where he didn't play. I don't think it was an ending
20:19
of the outfield. He played, I don't know, 80
20:22
games because that's about what he plays.
20:24
But he could only DHI mean that guy with all the physical gifts
20:28
and he couldn't physically play the outfield yet.
20:31
He was still out there as much as he could swing in the bat.
20:34
That kind of guy. Those are guys that are easy to
20:37
root for. So yeah, that one makes this one
20:39
a little bit more special. And I hope, look, I'm going to
20:42
throw a bet on him because he's my guy, right?
20:44
I'm going to throw 10 bucks down to say let's see if boxing can
20:47
win this thing at 9:00 to 1:00. But more than anything, he is an
20:50
easy guy to root for. A very likable person that has
20:53
had hell on the baseball field throughout his.
20:55
Career. What's what's his price?
20:57
9 to one, nine to one. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to, I
21:01
guess I'll bet somebody. Give it a shot, right?
21:04
Well, I bet the Oscar Fernandez last year worked.
21:06
Out. Yes, it did.
21:07
Right, I cashed on him and had a ticket to the T Wolves to win it
21:10
all and that carried me through the NBA season.
21:13
Didn't cash it, but got a cheap thrill and like it was a huge
21:16
price. Anyways, we'll take a time out.
21:19
Scott Dockerman is going to join us next.
21:23
Doc will join us on the on the on the Big 10, college football,
21:27
etcetera, etcetera. SEC media days are going on as
21:31
we speak. Since I I went down this path
21:34
for a second. Did you see the report?
21:36
Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback, I don't know what
21:39
he's doing now. What he's he's with somebody.
21:42
Is he with ESPN? He has been for a long time.
21:44
OK, so he's probably still there.
21:46
He says. And this is kind of I'm, I'm
21:48
paraphrasing, but I'm kind of on the right path.
21:51
I wouldn't put this out there if I didn't believe this source
21:53
type of thing, He says Nick Samus is going to coach again.
21:56
Whoa. That's kind of what I thought.
22:00
Person in the know believes Nick Saban has returned to coaching.
22:03
There it is. I'm clicking on.
22:05
Did you find it now? Yeah.
22:07
Are there any schools mentioned? No, this is, let's see, he was
22:11
on in Birmingham on a radio show down there and said this is the
22:15
quote from McElroy, a very much in the know person that I have a
22:19
lot of respect for and have spent a lot of time around and
22:23
really, really admire. They seem to think Nick Saban
22:25
has not done coaching. He's pretty adamant that he
22:28
thinks Nick Saban will be coaching again, UN quote.
22:31
Paul Finebaum. Finebaum knows Saban well.
22:34
And McIlroy? Well, Brian Kelly out.
22:40
Back to LSU, what do you? Do that.
22:43
What do you? If he is going to coach, isn't
22:45
that isn't isn't that the conference he's going to coach
22:47
in? I would think so, right?
22:49
Yes, he's. Not coming back to the Big 10.
22:51
No, he's not going back to West Virginia.
22:53
Right. Yeah.
22:54
Where he's from, yeah. He's not going to go to Michigan
22:56
State, though. Didn't he start in the Mac?
23:02
I think he did anyways. Yeah, he's not going there.
23:05
No, no. The SEC or it So where else in
23:10
the SEC? If it's not one of the two
23:14
places that he's coached Florida, he's not going to.
23:17
Auburn. No.
23:18
You can't go to Auburn if you're the former Alabama coach.
23:21
No. No, no, no.
23:22
No, a boy with that ratchet. Thing Oh, it'd be unbelievable.
23:25
Doc might have to come up with a new list and put the iron bullet
23:27
#1. Well, we'll talk to him next.
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Miller and Condon underway on a Monday, it's the Iowa Sports
24:01
Radio Network. I'm Miller and Condon.
24:11
Welcome back just past 12:30 on a Monday.
24:16
Miller and Condon, we are with you until well, until 2:00.
24:20
Turn things over the drive at that point.
24:22
Let's get our friend Scott Dockerman in here.
24:24
He writes for The Athletic and he joins us to talk about his
24:28
latest piece, what he's got coming on up this week and what
24:32
time he gets to Vegas next week for Big 10 Football Media Days.
24:36
Hello, Scott Dockerman, Trenton Ken, thanks for coming on.
24:38
How are you Doc? Not bad, you know, trying to
24:42
take a couple days off here before the big storm comes, so
24:47
just doing some odd jobs around the house and what have you.
24:51
When do you go to Vegas? I'm going.
24:54
Next Monday like early afternoon, like right around
24:59
noon and and I'll get out there mid afternoon Vegas time.
25:03
Stay in there. It's all the way till Friday.
25:05
Staying for the whole thing, well that's good.
25:07
Hope your plans allow you to join Trent tonight.
25:09
On Tuesday night at Circa. We're throwing a little shindig
25:12
for some of our guests that we have all season long.
25:15
So hopefully you can make that work.
25:17
We'll send you some Intel on that.
25:19
But Doc, I want to start with, you know, your latest piece on
25:22
the on the Big 10 and their affinity for all of these
25:25
trophies. It was really well done.
25:27
And man, there is a lot of them. And I love the fact that, you
25:30
know, just the history, what behind them, how they started,
25:33
what it was originally was and what it transformed into.
25:36
I thought it was very informative as we scratched that
25:40
college football. Yeah, it's, it's really
25:44
interesting when you get into the the rivalries, they're
25:48
either their nicknames or the trophies of the Big 10 is, is
25:52
obviously, you know, kind of trophy central.
25:55
It's it's kind of the backbone of the conference and all of the
25:58
rivalries within it. And you know what, what to me is
26:02
most fascinating is the University of Minnesota has, has
26:05
cornered the market on, in my opinion, 3, the three best
26:09
trophies. I, I mean, argue with anybody
26:12
that Floyd is number 1. I think the way it was set up
26:15
and why it was set up, I think and, and the fact that it's
26:18
endured now, you know, going into its 90th year is, is really
26:22
beyond words. And then, you know, the jug is
26:25
the oldest one and it's got, you know, it's got a great back
26:28
story. I mean, you know, Michigan came
26:30
in 19 O3 had this big oversized jug, asked for it back and
26:34
Minnesota said, well, you're going to have to win it back.
26:37
And that's what started it all. And then, and I think the, you
26:40
know, the most iconic and, you know, to watch happen is the axe
26:45
and to see them chop down the goal posts.
26:46
So, and then there's so many other ones.
26:49
And then there's the ones to me that are probably a bit, you
26:53
know, that they were made in a, you know, marketing room between
26:56
a couple of people that need to get out of the way.
26:59
I mean, come on, Freedom Trophy between Wisconsin and Nebraska.
27:02
What would they do? Flip a coin?
27:03
Let's call it either liberty or freedom.
27:06
Freedom won. So let's pick that name.
27:08
You know, that's kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
27:10
Does the Heroes Trophy fit the bill?
27:15
I love the concept of the heroes trophy.
27:18
I mean, the fact that both states that it shows the
27:21
humanity that, you know, they're going to honor a citizen hero
27:25
from each one and that that's wonderful.
27:29
And we've seen some great ones. I mean, I don't think you'll get
27:31
any better than Dan Marburger last year, you know, from Perry
27:35
High School. That was yeah, you know, and
27:37
they, they, they named him six months in advance.
27:40
So. But, you know, the trophy itself
27:42
is just kind of a symbol of victory.
27:44
And, you know, even the Heartland Trophy, which is
27:48
relatively new, I mean, it's 21 years old.
27:50
It, you know, it's kind of cool. It's, but it's doesn't have the
27:54
history or the tradition that like Floyd does, you know, it's
27:56
just kind of a again, a symbol of victory.
27:59
But but then, you know, and then Cyhawk is, as we know, has gone
28:02
through so many different renditions.
28:05
And so I, I don't know, I, I, I kind of dig the trophy.
28:09
You know, Big 10 history and college football history as well
28:11
as anybody. Obviously all the story we
28:14
talked about last week with all the rivalries, Ohio State,
28:17
Michigan doesn't have a trophy. Was there ever talk about it?
28:21
Was there ever anything, you know, back in the 40s, fifties,
28:24
60s, where hey, let's put a trophy with this one?
28:27
Or is it just and we play for conference championships, that's
28:29
all that matters. Yeah, they, they never really
28:32
got to that point. And it's kind of funny, as you
28:36
said, you know, Michigan's really kind of avoided having,
28:38
you know, whether it's a live mascot as well.
28:41
I don't know. They Michigan kind of sometimes
28:43
thinks it's bigger than what it is, But but no, they never
28:47
really got around to it. And I think they took pride in
28:49
the fact that it never needed one, especially once they got
28:52
into that, that 10 year war from 68 to 78 and or, you know, 69 to
28:57
70. And I guess between Woody and Bo
28:58
and and just kind of what it the rivalry represents, it's like,
29:02
well, we're too big. They need a trophy.
29:04
And you know, it's like, OK, you are no question.
29:06
But you know, if if, if so, you know that.
29:10
But they got little trinkets associated with it.
29:12
I mean Michigan, I mean Ohio State players, if they beat
29:14
Michigan, get the gold pants. And so there, there are other
29:17
little things and, and of course, just the, the rivalry
29:21
itself is, is to me the greatest rivalry in American sports.
29:25
The Oaken Bucket Dock and and to be fair, the final week of the
29:29
regular season. For the longest time, I'm not
29:32
watching Indiana and Purdue, and I'm guessing I speak for most of
29:35
college football because there's so many other big games, right.
29:38
I didn't realize that the trophies allegedly 180 years
29:43
old. The bucket, the original bucket
29:45
is that old. Seriously.
29:47
Yeah, they in 1925, there was like a a meeting of the alumni
29:52
clubs in Chicago in between Indiana and Purdue.
29:56
And they wanted to find something to play for every
29:58
year. And they figured, what is the
30:00
one thing that symbolizes Indiana?
30:03
And they figured, you know, or what makes a Hoosier.
30:05
And this is beyond just the nickname of the Indiana school.
30:09
And they figured that the, you know, a bucket symbolized
30:14
Indiana from a well. So they went on the kind of
30:18
looking around for it and they found one in southern Indiana at
30:22
this place that they that they believe that it was made in the
30:26
1840s out there was like a wooden, giant wooden bucket.
30:30
And then I've had to, you know, they had to really clean it up.
30:33
It was really in bad shape and, and reinforce it And, and now,
30:37
you know, you, they attach those little symbols to them, you
30:40
know, either AP or an I. So it is, it is really, you
30:44
know, very unusual but altogether really important.
30:47
But yeah, you're right. People don't usually watch it,
30:50
although this year they might because it'll be on NBC and
30:52
prime time. Right.
30:54
There was a line in your story that mentioned Iowa, Purdue
30:58
potentially. It never came to fruition,
31:00
playing for a trophy. Can you take us inside that?
31:03
Yeah, About the same time, Iowa and Nebraska set up the Heroes
31:06
Trophy, and that was the first year of legends and leaders.
31:10
Purdue approached Iowa to ask if they would if Iowa would be
31:14
interested in playing for a travelling trophy.
31:16
And at that point, Iowa looked kind of and said, well, you
31:20
know, we've already have three. We're adding this fourth with
31:23
Nebraska. We just think that's probably a
31:26
bit too much for us. And and you know, Purdue said,
31:29
OK, that's fine. And you know, but yeah, I would
31:32
could have, who knows what it would have been.
31:34
And, and I know there's been some discussion over the years
31:37
with Illinois as well, because 1952 when they had the apple
31:41
throwing incident at at then Iowa Stadium that caused him to
31:44
take a 15 year hiatus, it was so vicious.
31:48
They said, well, maybe we should have, like, an Apple Cup, but
31:50
they didn't want it to make it look like Washington, Washington
31:52
state. And I always said they just need
31:55
a giant orange cone, you know, to symbolize all the rubber
31:58
trucks. Yeah.
32:01
You know Doc I, I love when I learn things.
32:02
So I had never heard this story before.
32:04
So so help me out with the with the 15 year hiatus and what
32:08
happened to cause it. I've never heard of this.
32:11
Yeah, Illinois was really good that year in 1952.
32:15
And F Forrest Navashefsky was kind of pulling a Fran McCaffrey
32:19
on the sideline after a past interference call or something.
32:23
It was really arguing hard and fans were booing.
32:26
And all of a sudden, you know, like the the band had like,
32:28
apples. And some of the fans brought in
32:31
their lunches and stuff and they started throwing apples at the
32:35
field, at the officials, at Illinois.
32:37
And then afterwards they rushed the field and they started going
32:40
after some Illinois players. Well, and I did a pick funk
32:44
story about this when I was at The Gazette and there was one
32:47
guy who grabbed Rocky Ryan in Illinois tight end and he was,
32:51
he was pretty big. He played in the NFL for a while
32:53
and grabbed him by the shoulder pads and Rocky turned around and
32:56
punched him in the jaw and broke his jaw.
32:58
Good for him. And yeah, and and so, but you
33:02
know, and the guy's a side note, that guy, I talked to his
33:05
sister. He didn't paid past by then.
33:08
But anyway, he had to eat his Thanksgiving through a straw and
33:12
and he ended up becoming a Lieutenant Colonel in the
33:15
airport, Dr. medical doctor. So it changed the punch that
33:18
changed his life. But you know, Illinois and Iowa
33:22
already had some heated feuds. They they were scheduled to kind
33:25
of cycle off because back then it wasn't the league that
33:28
scheduled them. It was the teams scheduled
33:30
themselves. They figure let's just kind of
33:32
not play for a few years, let this kind of pass, and then they
33:36
ultimately went 15 years. So you think about the greatest
33:39
teams in Iowa history in the at least in the 50s Yep.
33:44
And then 63 with with Dick buckets and in Illinois and the
33:49
Rose Bowl, all those great teams did not play one another.
33:53
So it was, you know, it was quite a heated feud and just
33:57
just about as feet heated as the basketball version.
34:00
That's awesome. A trophy that was and is kind
34:04
of, but maybe no more. The $5 bits of broken chair.
34:07
I love this thing. Minnesota, Nebraska are kind of
34:10
on a well, Minnesota's probably ahead of Nebraska now in
34:13
football for the last two decades.
34:15
It came out of nowhere. A faux Pelini, the parody
34:18
account on Twitter along with what the Gophers mascot account
34:21
I think is, was where this thing all started up.
34:23
It was such a fun idea. It was so goofy.
34:26
Why was it that Minnesota, Nebraska never took this thing
34:30
and ran with it? Because it was such a fun, fun
34:32
thing and they just kind of kicked it to the side.
34:36
That's a great question, Trent. I'd like to probably ask
34:39
somebody about it. I, I'll tell you this and and
34:41
I'm not passing it off on them at all.
34:43
But but I think that in some ways you look at the turnover
34:46
that both that particularly Nebraska has had both the
34:49
coaches and athletic directors or last 10 years, they they
34:53
haven't had a chance to really stabilize and decide something
34:56
like that. I, you know, and again, I, I
34:59
think it's, it's definitely worth pursuing because one of
35:02
the things that the greatest trope travelling trophies have
35:05
in the big 10 or anywhere for that matter, is they, they're
35:08
organic, they have great histories.
35:11
And, and then there's the ones that just kind of wait, let's
35:13
play for it. And, you know, and the hero's
35:15
trophy can kind of be in that category, although, as I said,
35:17
that I love the reason for it, but but the trophy itself is
35:21
just a trophy. And I think in this case, this
35:24
is one that's kind of organic. It's one that's fun, it's
35:27
entertaining, and people really like it.
35:29
I mean, you talk to so to people, they view that as kind
35:32
of their 4th trophy, even above the Victoria, the governor's
35:35
victory bell with Penn State just because of that.
35:38
And I think that's that's part of college football.
35:41
All these things are big college football, the most interesting
35:43
sport in the country. No doubt about it, Doc, my last
35:46
thing for you as we Fast forward to next week in Big 10 meaty
35:49
days. I haven't seen a schedule yet.
35:51
I'm assuming Petiti will speak and if so, you'll be there.
35:55
Is there something on your docket?
35:57
Did you'd like to get the commissioner?
35:58
And you know, just just whether it's on the side or in front of
36:01
everybody? I don't know whether he doesn't
36:03
on the side thing or not, but what would you like to ask
36:06
Petiti, if you get the opportunity?
36:08
Anything? Yeah, I mean, today the SEC
36:11
commissioner again kind of came out swinging and touting its
36:14
conference as being the the best at eight games is way tougher
36:19
than anybody else is dying, which is laughable.
36:21
And I I want to I want to ask Tony, you know, and I'll
36:23
probably do this, you know, in a side interview with that I'll
36:26
have with him. As you know, do you feel like
36:28
you're letting your conference down by not coming out
36:31
forcefully and speaking about it?
36:33
You look, I mean, you know, people, if they didn't remember
36:36
that Ohio State won and all the success the Big 10 had in the
36:39
postseason, they think that it was the SEC that had all this
36:41
success, why they've let everybody forget about it.
36:44
So I think that the the big tennis come out and start
36:47
swinging and telling people, hey, we won the last two
36:49
national titles. We had a very successful
36:52
postseason. You know, we've had two teams in
36:54
the semifinals. We're we're the best conference
36:56
in the country. That's what they should say
36:58
instead. Right now, it looks like we're
37:00
just not going to say anything and hope it blows over.
37:02
Well, it doesn't work like that in college football.
37:05
You've got to promote yourself. This is the one sport where the
37:08
talking game matters because perception is everything.
37:10
And the Big 10 is really slowed at that.
37:12
And so that's some of the conversations that I'll have
37:14
with Tony Petit the. SEC coined it's talking season,
37:17
if memory serves. And this kind of dovetails on
37:19
your peace talk from late last week, week before and how the
37:23
SEC and the Big 10 different when dealing with the media,
37:25
right? I mean, the SEC is on front St.
37:28
They're getting out there. There's they're stating the
37:31
narrative or what they think the narrative is.
37:33
And Petiti's got a chance to, you know, stick up for his
37:35
conference. I'm with you.
37:36
I wish he would. Good stuff.
37:38
Scott Dachman, thank you as always.
37:39
What can we look forward to reading about this week prior to
37:42
you jumping on an airplane? Yeah, I'm going to.
37:45
I'm actually going to do a story about softball and the
37:48
Northwoods. I'm going to go up to Madison
37:50
tomorrow and I'm going to talk to, you know, that they have
37:54
it's the second year for for softball and in the Northwoods
37:57
League. They've always had baseball, but
38:00
just kind of the girls of summer and and what they're able to do
38:03
now. And I think that's really
38:05
interesting and mean it's a little different than what I'm
38:07
used to. But.
38:09
And then got a bunch of money stories that I'm also working
38:12
on, but I won't bore you with those details right now.
38:14
Good stuff, doc. We'll see you in Las Vegas.
38:16
Thanks, Scott Document, have a safe flight out there.
38:18
Enjoy your week off, so to speak.
38:20
I say off in quotations. Thanks Doc.
38:23
All right. Thanks guys.
38:24
Good. To talk to you Scott document
38:25
from the athletic as we check in some cool stories.
38:28
I had no idea about the Did you know That story on Illinois and
38:31
the hiatus from this. Bits and pieces, yeah.
38:34
Yeah, not the complete breakdown.
38:35
The doc games, I've heard of that.
38:36
Before a little hatred. Oh absolutely.
38:39
And it carries on in some respects to the especially
38:41
basketball docs. Right.
38:42
Oh, absolutely. I love Illinois, Iowa
38:44
basketball. Was it 2 now?
38:46
It's probably more than that now.
38:47
They just blended. The final game was a Sunday
38:49
night against. It was in Champaign, right?
38:51
Yeah, it was. Connor McCaffrey was a big piece
38:53
of that one. Yeah, he's a big piece of all of
38:55
them. Had some great games.
38:56
Yeah, let's get that back on the end.
38:59
I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
39:01
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39:03
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Etcetera. Matt Snyder will join us.
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Bill Seals covers Iowa State. He will recap the Big 12 Media
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days and take a look ahead to TJ Otzelberger and what he may have
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to say tomorrow. Did you see any of the Fever
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play yesterday? Little bit, yeah.
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What did you think? Looked more connected.
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Yeah, they did, didn't they? They is it just getting their
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feet underneath them, full roster, that kind of thing.
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Look like a different team, certainly.
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Then we saw Yep, when Caitlin was making her way back, so and.
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Dallas isn't very good, to be fair.
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And that's also a big piece of it, too.
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Outside of Becker's, they don't have a.
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Whole No, they really don't. They really don't.
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Caitlin Clark still struck them shooting a three, I mean, and
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they get Connecticut later on in the week.
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Is it tomorrow? I got two games, but I want to
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see that game because that's when Mabry clocked her, knocked
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her over. 7:00 tomorrow night, yeah.
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Really. And what's the girl's name from
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Ohio State? Jason Gilbert, Is it?
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Is it Holloway, the guard, a really good player?
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Shelton. Shelton, Thank you.
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Hour 2 Coming up next, Miller and Cotton and Iowa Sports
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Radio.