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#139: Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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movie? Paradise, Lost found it.
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Well, good. We talked about the good, the
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bad, the ugly, and the Absurd, and all of our favorite.
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And least favorite. Scary movies, because we believe
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every horror movie rightfully, has its fanbase.
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My name is Travis. My name is Jessie.
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And today we are talking about behind the mask, the rise of
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Leslie Vernon. Yeah.
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But before we get into any of that, fun, we have other fun.
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Jesse. Do you have any announcements?
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No, no announcements. All right.
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Moving on into poles, then last Week, we talked about 47 meters
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down uncaged. So we just wanted to know how
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would you guys prefer to go out as in die?
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So on Instagram, 46 percent of people would want to be eaten by
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a shark. 15% would rather drown. 38 percent would be attacked by
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the whirlpool over on Twitter. 25%.
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What's the shark 38% once the whirlpool 37%?
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Wants to drown. Now, maybe not what I want,
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might be the wrong word for this but maybe prefer have all those
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options if you're in the sea in the water.
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I really curious about your choice to frame the whirlpool as
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attacking people. I thought that it was like,
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sucking them down in there and begging them up.
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That's why we were talking about with the current at least.
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Yeah, but it makes it sound like the rural.
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Whirlpool is like actively attacking.
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People instead of just, you know, existing as a Whirlpool
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just doing his thing. Yeah, okay.
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Sure. That's more fair to the
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whirlpool I guess. Yeah, okay sure.
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Alright. So just the world whirlpools.
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Okay, well my choice is shark. I'd rather be if I'm going out,
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you know, at least I'm contributing to the food chain,
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okay? Whirlpool because it seems the
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quickest. See, I think the shark thing
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would be the quickest. Hmm, it depends if they just
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like, what? If they just want your little
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foot. See that I can get out of there?
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All right, I can swim. Yeah.
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But that's gonna hurt. You're gonna have lots of rehab.
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You've got shitty insurance, so what kind of prosthetic are you
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going to get damn. Okay, so I mean I think I'll be
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okay, your HSA will cover like a peg leg, I can add, I can
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handle. I can handle it.
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Okay, I'll manage just fine. All right, okay, that's her
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pull. Okay.
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All right, so yeah, everybody, we're talking about behind the
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mask, the rise of Leslie Vernon. So Leslie, Vernon Vernon.
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All right, so this movie came out, July 8. 2006 it premiered
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at the Fantasia film festival and it had its at wide release
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in In March, March 16th of 2007. Okay.
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We watched this on Amazon Prime. Hm, it is currently not anywhere
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to stream. No.
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So if you want to go to a streaming service, you may find
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that. However, when I was Googling the
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movi today, I did see that somebody has uploaded it to
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YouTube, so there is a free option.
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If you want to go that route, but it's not, it's not legal it.
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Not illegal, but it's legal. If you watch it that way because
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you're not responsible for, you can do it.
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It's, you know, the person that gets in trouble, take advantage
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of it. But if you want to be a person
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that wants to give the money, then you can rent it on Prime,
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like we did Voodoo YouTube. Google play.
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All of the options that we always list.
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What's your least favorite movie supports movies?
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Yeah, we do. I'm just gonna put it that way.
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Hmm we're not officially condoning.
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Streaming illegally. Yes.
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Yeah, even though that's still illegal either way, whatever,
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support the people. Yeah, filmmakers.
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Yeah, these guys are here so it's written by skog Wasserman
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and David. Steve directed by Scott
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Wasserman. Did you say his name is David?
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Steve it's weird. So it's spelled St.
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Ieve. Oh okay, I was picturing like
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two first names. Yeah, I would say that Steve or
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CV. I don't know or Style.
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I've Stave Stave maybe save, don't know, I don't know, I
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don't know. I like Dave, Steve David Steve?
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Yeah. Dave see okay music by Gordy.
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Hob and special effects by Eddie friend.
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We names. Okay, that's rude.
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Okay, now we're names, nevermind more names.
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Film stars, Nathan basil, as Leslie, Vernon, Angela Goethals,
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as Taylor. I'm butchering these names, I'm
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sure. Ben pace is Doug, Britain
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Spelling's as Todd, Robert Englund as doc Halloran Scott,
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Wilson, as Eugene and Bridget Newton as Jamie, okay, budget or
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Buckhead, Jesse. I'm thinking that this is bug.
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Ted. Yes, I do not have a budget for
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this, but it is very clearly but but Ted.
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So don't have that. I think almost any time anything
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is found footage or mockumentary or whatnot.
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It's generally going to be usually a low budget.
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This is a weird one too, where it's half and half.
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So like the first half of the film is found-footage
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documentary and then the second half is You like a full-blown
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movie for that portion of it but yeah you're right they talk
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about the budget a little bit so I'll get into some of that
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detail here in a second but the opening box office for when this
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thing did finally release was thirty eight point five
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thousand. Wow.
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So 38 and a half thousand dollars, that was opening
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worldwide gross was 69,000. IMDb 6.7.
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So it's got a good. I'm DB Square.
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Lease could be better. Oh, I'll take it.
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Yeah, all right. Got three movies here, that have
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nothing to do with each other, nothing relating at all.
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Just three movies from 2006. All of these, I have watched at
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least, okay? To me to you to have a watch
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them together. Not all of these, oh boy.
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But to boy two or three, actually, I'm, I'm taking a
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guess here to think that you watch the first one.
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I'm pretty sure you. Because we've talked about it
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kind of, it's When a Stranger Calls.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. So that came out.
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February 3rd, 2006. That had a budget of 15 million
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dollars. Yes.
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Worldwide gross of 67 million dollars.
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Okay. IMDb of 5.1?
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Yeah, that sounds about right. This better than I expected for
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that, honestly. I feel I don't know how people I
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don't know what the debate where the discussion around.
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This remake is if it's like a good one compared to the first
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one because I've never seen. Original, you've seen the first
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10 minutes of the original, which is literally all you need.
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The rest is kind of a slow and that's the thing I think that
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this movie, takes that concept and makes that first thing the
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entire movie. Yeah, which probably is better.
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But is there enough material there?
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I remember liking it, but then again, at the time I was just
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kind of cheered because there's like an indoor Greenhouse with
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like oh I remember that. And the Treehouse also was a
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guest house or something. I can't remember.
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But I remember her seeing the wide on On in the distance they
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have to kind of just add a lot to it.
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They do they pat it a little bit but you know like that's a movie
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that you probably do that without sacrificing anything.
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I would think. Okay, next up Slither.
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Oh yeah, we watch that for the first time last year.
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Yeah, it was a fun one that came out.
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March 31st, 2006 with the 15 million dollar budget noticing a
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theme Here. Worldwide gross 12.8.
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Million. What.
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Nothing flops. How sad I'm DB of 6.5.
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OK, it's a cult hit. Yeah, it's James Gunn written
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and directed it has fuck. What's the dude's name?
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The guy that I was wearing his name?
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We're over. Remember.
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Michael Rooker? Yes.
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Yeah. Michael Rooker.
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I knew you did. And just finished next time.
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Yeah, Joey Fischer was married to James Gunn at the time, which
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makes sense. I forgot.
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She's like the, she's a really funny side character.
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Who does a thing that I do when we were recording all the time,
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which is just nodding. Yeah.
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When nobody can like it's audio. I don't listen to the time on
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the phone. Okay, so yeah, we got all that
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there and the final one you and I watch this this is like one of
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the first movies that we watch together.
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Well, we first started dating Dimension Nathan Jillian, no
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name is there's going to be a bunch of nerds out there that
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are going to get really mad. That we mentioned a Nathan
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Fillion Project without saying, anything Fillion.
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I am one of those aren't actually.
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I am so sad that we forgot our boy.
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Nathan Fillion you forgot. I've mentioned them.
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Okay. You were going to go right past
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it. Yeah, you're just going to
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single me out there. Yep, sure.
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Okay. Absolutely.
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Alright, moving on, to the good times of our relationship.
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One of the first movies we watch when we first started dating,
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Can you guess what? We watched?
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So many movies. We've talked about this recently
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like that. Just in conversation.
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We scrolled by it. The sequel to that, at least
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direct the video. Of course this is, it's not
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narrowing this down at, all right?
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I mean it was like our entire movie.
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We watched in 2012 and it was direct-to-video.
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And we rented it. And that is like, every movie
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that we watched at that time. Yeah.
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Okay. It's rest, stop.
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Oh shit. Yeah.
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So that movie came out, October 7 2006 don't have a budget.
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It's straight-to-video like I said, but I do have what it made
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on its physical media sells, it was five million dollars.
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My mom and I found that while scrolling one night, I really
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just. Yeah, we just watched it.
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So how you watched it for the first time?
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Uh-huh. Okay, we're both like little
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uncomfortable. That's why you suggested it?
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Probably. Okay, cool.
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Well I can tell you that the budget was lower than that.
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That because it was noted that it made a decent profit.
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I mean, yeah, I guess it's probably, I don't say under a
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million 100 million or at a million Max because it's a three
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people at it, like a rest stop in the middle of the desert.
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Yeah, it's a good movie. If you guys are interested in
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something like that, that little premise, alone getting you.
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No matter rest, stop pretty things.
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Can happen. There breakdown, don't know 4.5
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on Phoebe. That's not favorable.
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No shameful know, it's been a while since I've watched it.
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So I can't say if that's accurate or not.
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Yeah, I wonder how I'd feel about it.
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If I watched it we should try it again.
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Ten years difference, you know? Yeah, we've changed.
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We've gone. We have matured, we've matured
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into liking shittier movies. All right.
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Tagline just one tag. Fine.
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Just once. Yeah, but it's a pretty good
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one. Okay.
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Jason Freddy Myers. We all need someone to look up
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to. Yeah, it's it.
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I think it's weird that they first name all of them and then
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get to Mikey. You can do Michael.
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Yeah, Michael. But I guess they want to be more
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on a lastname basis. Oh, yeah, Myers.
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Yeah. I know him.
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Oh yeah. Frederick faces.
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True story. Yeah, I just called him
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Frederick, by the way, I know. Oh, I made a note of it when
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they bring it up in the movie he said Fredrik.
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Yeah, so that's that's the tagline.
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And I think it's pretty good. I felt like that this movie
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could have had more but, you know, they don't have the budget
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to spare on multiple taglines. Probably not probably not, okay?
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So, onto the fun facts. Okay?
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So this movie was filmed from November 4th, through December,
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3rd in 2004, that's a really short time.
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It is in, it was like 2 years before it even premiered, which
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is even crazier. Mostly shot in Portland and the
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surrounding towns. So, think about their budget,
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it's was low enough to where it kind of kept them from being
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able to properly Scout areas. So a lot of times they ended up
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having to scout locations as they were filming, and they
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would have to adjust the script and rewrite to accommodate
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things like that, Scott Wilson who plays Eugene was included
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because he was recommended by Robert Englund.
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So, Have a work history together.
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I think that's cool because one of the things I was thinking,
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when I was watching, this is how this guy managed to pull into
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name actors. And this is his first movie.
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Well, known Scott Wilson. I primarily know him from the
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earlier seasons of The Walking Dead.
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That's what he's most known for ya as Joe Bob said, at this
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point, everybody in their mom's, been in The Walking Dead.
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It's just like, that's true. New Zealand Actors, and The Lord
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of the Rings. Rings.
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Yeah, that's true. But I mean, he was an impactful
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character back whenever it's still mattered, you know, like
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if you're in later Seasons, it's probably less impressive.
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Nothing to like, take away from anybody, who made it onto the
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Walking Dead, still an accomplishment, but yeah, like
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Scott Wilson. He said, if you recognize him,
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he's got a recognizable face. Yeah, so, yeah, speaking of
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Eugene, he was originally written as Billy Lynn's, from by
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Christmas. So, that is why he, he's Kind of
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Wesley's, Mentor, he talks about the Golden Era of the 60s and
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70s. That's what the writers have
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always had him. As he's always been Billy.
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Yeah, I feel like, I've read this online that it's like,
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okay, I'm glad to hear that. It's confirmed from the
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filmmakers because it's always been a fan theory that yeah, it
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was meant to be Billy in there. Yeah, they confirmed it.
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I was reading a lot of this stuff came from an interview
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they gave for the party disgusting, but in their minds
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into them to this day that is Billy.
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But whenever they were riding it and making it, they kind of Just
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changed it into an amalgamation of all of the killers from the
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era. They're just kind of Hit the
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tropes instead of just going off of the kind of wanted to get the
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guy. That was kind of a Pioneer, but
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didn't get all the glory as he's other people.
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Did you know what was said, is there on the concept of an Ahab
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which bill is really a thing for him?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That didn't really happen until Michael.
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Oh, and actually, Mike was pretty much the only one that
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has an Ahab. Really that's just like a
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Halloween Trope. Yeah.
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I think in Friday the 13th there's always a person that's
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like we got to go get Jason. Yeah, but it's not like a
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single-minded person that shouldn't have dr.
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Credentials. Yeah.
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Klosterman. And Steve Stave Stevie they
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originally did have a plan for this to become a Trilogy because
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they felt like that was kind of, for my part of the formula,
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which would play into the That like, all these movies in need
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to have at least a trilogy, but a lot of that kind of pinched on
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the success of this film, which did not do well.
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As we've already talked about, it's more of a cult hit than
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anything it slowly gained the fan base, but it didn't really
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make big waves when we first came out which kind of
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dishearten them. They were working like
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spitballing ideas for the sequel as they were shooting this, but
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once they saw the reception and how I didn't really make an
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impact, they kind of I've got hurt and they stopped.
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They had to step away from the project and then they ended up
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coming back to and finishing the first draft by 2009.
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But it's funny though because at this time they were shopping
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things around to try and get something else.
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Going one of their friends suggested to them that they
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should take it to a place like the mention pitch it as a remake
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to show that they have that fan base have the following.
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They've got a proof of concept, they're like you should just
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take somebody like Ethan Hawke and cast him as Leslie Vernon
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and then Do it that way and they said that that could potentially
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happen just so you know, rejuvenate interest in the whole
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thing but it's not really what they're wanting to do.
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They're wanting to get the band back together to see but it's
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AI, Nathan basil, basil, basil basil.
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He's got such a charm as Leslie Vernon.
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He's perfect as well as we honestly and I checked his IMDb.
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He's not done a whole lot. Since this movie, it's been a
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few parts and TV series and That's pretty much it.
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Which is kind of crazy to me, man.
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Now, I would love to see more more of this, as a like, turn it
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into a franchise. Yeah, for sure.
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Even just a duology, if they can't get a whole trilogy.
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So I've got some stuff here. First off, I'm going to talk
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about the original ending to the movie.
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The movie was originally going to end with them, all being at
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the courtroom. They are all being, I guess like
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was being tried for this stuff or whatever and it's townspeople
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You justice. They're upset.
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And Doc, Halloran comes to their defense, so like the legend
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becomes reality. Yeah, that's cool.
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That's cool. Yeah, but what, okay, so this is
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a, what could have been, what would have been time segment
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here. So I've got a lot of information
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on what the sequel was going to. Because it kind of went all out
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with us and they weren't able to make it.
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They did do a Kickstarter, they had a goal of 500 thousand
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dollars. They got a couple hundred
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thousand but Ultimately couldn't get it funded so they had to
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cancel it. They realize that they made a
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mistake by going with Kickstarter because apparently
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with Kickstarter you don't get that money until you hit your
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goal. If they went with something like
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Indiegogo, you get that money as you're going and he said well if
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it would have been, that could have taken that money, taking
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them to an investor, got additional money.
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Just to show that there's Financial interests there and
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then make something take that to another investor and then they
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could have made something but that's not what happened, we
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I've went too far with that already.
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Okay. So the first thing that they
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pitch, they pitched this in TV. It was going to be a series.
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This isn't 2009. Taylor would be running a goal,
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a school for final girls. Okay, so what she would be doing
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is it's basically her doing To Catch a Predator because I was a
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thing that was going on at the time and just doing that to stop
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would be slasher, villains, that would be happening, okay, which
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I think is Is a kind of an interesting concept.
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Honestly. Yeah but I don't think that went
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very far. I think that's where it stopped.
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They ended up after that finishing the first draft of the
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sequel in 2009. It was going to be what they
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dubbed, Esprit make which means sequel prequel and remake all in
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one. So it's going to touch on his
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pass is origin reveal. Some of the things that we
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thought we knew but don't really know for sure.
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Okay, um also during this, they going to be making a film.
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Based off of the first movie like there's going to be moments
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where like these characters from the first movie they meet their
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on-screen counterparts. Like scream, 383?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And then they're just making the movie and then Leslie is also
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there. And he's critiquing them because
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he's not accurate or like what they're doing stun accurate and
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it's not realistic or whatever which I think is funny as like
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commentary for the audience for that type of thing.
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Yeah. But there's going to be like a
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love story between him and Taylor.
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Our people on the set are mysteriously dying or somebody
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dressed like Leslie, that's talking around, but you can
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actually get part of this story in a comic book that they
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released as a sequel. Oh fun.
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So it's called behind know before the mask, the return of
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Leslie Vernon. That's confusing.
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Yeah. It's a comic book.
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They took all that they could. And they adapted.
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What they thought was easily what?
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They Adapting to a comic book and then everything else is kind
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of Forgotten but you get the core of the story with it.
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So that is an option. If you guys want to continue
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with this but they said that there's still a chance for them
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to go on the original script for that was originally going to be
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more focused on like the torture porn aspect of things because
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that was really a thing at that time and he feels right now, if
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he's going to do it, you have to redo the whole thing because
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it's so dated. Yeah, the current trend of how
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like, Or has evolved over the past two decades.
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Yeah, so if they're good, redo it again, they're going to try
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and get something that's closer to today but they haven't.
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But there's still hope they talked to shudder and something
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fell through with that shutter when and make adjustments to
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things. But yeah, there's still a
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possibility to get more was we Vernon?
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But this is what we got for now, and that's all I got.
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I'm sorry. That's all that was a lie.
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I know that. That was a lot of stuff, but I
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That was all pretty interesting especially yeah.
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If people are into this movie and want more, there is more out
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there cool. Yeah.
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Okay. So what that all out of the way?
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Jessie, since this was my pick, what's your good bad, ugly
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absurd, and your rating. Okay, I love this movie.
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I think it's so much fun. I obviously I'm a big fan of
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metal horror type stuff and This is one of those that it does
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found footage in a way that makes a lot of sense.
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And I love the way that it goes between found footage and like
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the actual movie, especially because they're talking about it
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like he's, you know, making his movie.
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Yes. And then I also like the fourth
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wall, kind of breaking where, like they'd be detailing, how
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the night's gonna go down and then he'll be like, wait, what
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are we forgetting? And then, yeah, rewind, yeah,
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yeah, so I really like all of that.
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The bad. I really don't have a lot of bad
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honestly. Maybe a little bit more build up
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to trick us like to make the like oh Taylor's actually the
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final girl make that a little bit more like yeah just a couple
23:11
more breadcrumbs here and therefore that I think that is a
23:14
good surprise it is it is. But when you're like watching it
23:18
and you know it's coming you're like oh well yeah.
23:21
Yeah, it really would have been kind of hard to pick that up the
23:23
first time. Yeah.
23:24
So you're saying that like you wish that there were more clues
23:27
to it. I think that there are and I'll
23:29
Point some of the stuff out as we're talking about because I
23:31
was making notes of some of these exchanges.
23:34
Yeah, the ugly. I mean, obviously there's a lot
23:40
of look ugly and horror movie tropes that especially like is
23:46
centered around a woman's value based on her sexuality or
23:53
virginity. Yeah.
23:55
That's always going to be kind of an ugly and then the Absurd I
24:01
wish he'd still explained like how you get the bodies to fall
24:06
over on people. Oh yeah.
24:09
Like the one Trope that he doesn't have some kind of an
24:11
explanation for like he even, you know, kind of like a what is
24:16
a deep freezes. The whole like, won't they just
24:19
jump out of the second floor window and he goes, you know,
24:22
you'd think so. Like he just went to just bust
24:24
these out. You do you think so?
24:26
They don't they do it on the second floor though.
24:28
Yeah. So like We've got that moment,
24:32
but we never even get a hint of how you get those bodies to be
24:35
propped up right behind the door.
24:37
Yeah. All that said, I think it's just
24:40
such a fun movie. It's a good time.
24:42
It's a good blend of horror and comedy and it's clearly done by
24:46
people who love the genre. I'm giving it a name, .25 9.25,
24:51
cool. This movie is a fun way to do a
24:56
commentary on the genre because I don't really I think that
25:01
mockumentaries I think that they were just picking up steam
25:04
around the sun because like this is wiz office, came out around
25:07
this time. It was this Poughkeepsie tapes
25:11
is right around the corner, you really like the stoked on that
25:16
word keeps. He tapes the Pug.
25:19
Epsy tapes were coming out, not too long from now.
25:23
So it's, I think it's still new enough for it to be fresh
25:28
because I think if you watch it today that That is a troponin.
25:32
So if that's kind of played out at this point, but they did it
25:34
early enough to where I don't think that it's a problem.
25:38
Yeah, I think if they did it today they would have to go with
25:41
that original idea of like the courtroom thing and then make it
25:44
a true crime, documentary mock, that would be.
25:46
Yeah, that would definitely be a where they do like a Netflix
25:49
documentary Series. Yeah.
25:52
It would be something like that. Would be really fun for them to
25:54
do it. Like totally straight dude.
25:57
Yeah, if they get like a deal with just whatever streaming.
26:01
This and they build it up. As it's real thing that's like
26:04
going back to Blair Witch type stuff right there where you're
26:06
typing it up to be a real thing. And people watching this just
26:09
like this dramatic movie of Leslie Vernon, that would be so
26:14
fucking cool. And then they would be, I like
26:17
even better if people that like knew about it.
26:20
And I knew that it was a sequel to Leslie Vernon.
26:22
We'll just play it real with other people too.
26:25
Yeah. Yeah.
26:26
Because it's like a secret everything's real with that.
26:28
Really like, yeah, I remember when These murders first
26:31
happens. Yeah, exactly.
26:33
Yeah, 2007 okay. So yeah that's all good.
26:38
I think that it's just like a good commentary.
26:40
Honestly it it doesn't feel like tread on Old ground, you know
26:47
what I mean? Like screen doesn't away, but
26:49
they don't like spell it out. Like they are in this movie.
26:52
Like I think in this movie it's more fun to spell out the tropes
26:55
and point out the ridiculous things in it.
26:58
Yeah, they're both doing the same thing but in completely
27:01
Different way. Yeah, exactly.
27:02
Doesn't scream. They're making a movie of the
27:05
tropes and this is a movie about the trophy.
27:09
You're interviewing an expert about it?
27:12
Yeah. Getting Insight from like the
27:14
killer from one of those movies which is cool.
27:18
I think I'll agree with you. That there's not really a whole
27:21
lot bad with this movie. I do think that the second half
27:24
whenever he goes full movie it does.
27:27
I think this movie works better as a mockumentary and wherever
27:30
Chance to fulfill. My don't really think it's a
27:32
strong but I do still feel like it's a good movie and it doesn't
27:36
take away any of the enjoyment. Yeah, still fun.
27:38
I like it. The ugly I guess, kind of like
27:47
what you said. I mean there's really not a
27:49
whole ugly about this movie other than like just those
27:53
things, those tropes stereotypes, things like that
27:56
regarding, you know, your virginity and stuff like that.
28:01
Mostly tied, the women actually entirely tied the women.
28:04
Don't think it doesn't matter anything about men in this movie
28:07
at all, but I mean unfortunately that was kind of a thing of that
28:10
era. So there's just making
28:12
commentary on it so I don't fault this movie for that.
28:14
Exactly. Yeah, I'm not blaming the media
28:17
Trope existing. Yeah and the Absurd I think it's
28:22
fucking absurd that just the whole getting Insight on how
28:27
these killers are preparing themselves for these things.
28:30
Like whenever we cut to Eugene and I know where's Eugene is
28:33
like, oh isn't the tank out back.
28:35
He's been there for two days and he's just buried underneath the
28:38
ground. Just learning how to be a dead
28:40
body. Yeah, it's just so fucking
28:42
funny. I was so much.
28:45
I think I'm going to give this thing a 9.5.
28:47
This movie is just so much fun. I love it so much.
28:50
Wish we could have been there for whenever it came out.
28:53
Originally to give the support then, but I think with a movie
28:58
like this, where you have a growing cult following and And
29:01
all of the support that's coming up.
29:03
I think that that does bode well for a potential future for this
29:08
thing, but I guess we'll see ya. So we have a starting average of
29:12
nine point, three seven five, thank you feels accurate.
29:16
Very, very high. I agree.
29:19
All right. All right, you ready?
29:21
Yo, okay. So it's movie starts off in the
29:26
movie portion, we're not in the mockumentary part yet, so it's
29:30
somebody's stalking. A waitress that's going outside
29:34
at the back of the diner that she works at.
29:36
She's taking out the trash. She feels uneasy she runs off
29:39
the door slams behind her and somebody's just stalking her.
29:43
That's it. Then it cuts to a new story
29:47
opening on Glen Echo, which isn't really a new story.
29:50
It's just Taylor and her Every crew.
29:53
Yeah. So opening of her documentary.
29:55
Yeah, she starts referencing slashers.
30:02
Jason Frederick, she interviews, Kane Hodder, who is living in
30:10
house number 1428. Yes, which is awesome.
30:13
Yeah, on Elm Street Lane. Yeah, and then she mentions
30:17
Michael. So, there's a lot of shout outs
30:19
in, like, 30 seconds. That's another cool thing about
30:22
this movie that I forgot to mention.
30:23
It's in a universe where all of these slasher villains were like
30:28
real, so they all coexist in the same universe, would you?
30:32
Think about it they exist which means they're not like actual
30:37
actors. Yeah exactly like that was Jason
30:40
right there. Walking in the Freddy's house
30:43
you know you can't really think too hard about it.
30:45
Yeah so 20 years ago, this boy was taken over by evil and he
30:53
ends up being thrown over the waterfall by town and
30:55
retribution after Murr going on a killing spree.
31:00
And he swore vengeance. Since then we catch a Leslie's
31:04
house, he's not answering the door, but he ends up popping up
31:08
and spooking him. He's got Turtles.
31:13
Yes, their names are church and Zoe.
31:16
This is a reference by the way, those changes to pet cemetery.
31:20
They're both pet cemetery. Apparently, he's always awesome.
31:23
Yeah, we each character, Zoe is think the kids.
31:28
Right? The cats, the cats.
31:31
We're Zoe might be one of the kids I think Zoe is the old
31:38
man's wife, maybe you think so. I don't remember exactly church
31:42
was definitely the cat though. It's been a long time since I've
31:44
watched that movie. I so I don't really remember
31:46
either. Yeah, so they're interviewing
31:50
Leslie and they're at has asked and he's got this whole library
31:55
of textbooks where they just go over all of these tricks about
31:59
how to become a dishwasher. He's got like Houdini books on
32:02
how to escape slide of hand. Tricks Grey's Anatomy Grey's
32:06
Anatomy. Yeah, so it's kind of funny just
32:09
to see all of the inside that goes into this.
32:11
Put a lot of work. Yeah, he's not half-assing this
32:15
thing. I wrote Leslie has this little
32:21
patch won't give away everything to Taylor.
32:25
She doesn't understand why. I don't know.
32:30
I really thought that I was going to remember what these
32:32
notes meant. Well, maybe two days ago, we
32:35
watched this movie pretty tipsy. Yeah.
32:38
So, you know, maybe that was just a little bit of Jesse
32:41
having fun with her notes. Yeah.
32:43
Absolutely yeah, yeah. And she does ask for more
32:48
information regarding his plans or his books or like all how he
32:52
does certain tricks as a Swagger and he doesn't want to reveal
32:55
anything because you know magician don't ya.
32:57
These guys are basically magicians so he's Got like a
33:01
family house. It's in a trust in his name but
33:04
obviously, he can't claim it. Yeah, because he's supposed to
33:08
be dead. Yeah.
33:09
Yeah, so the local kids stay there every year on the
33:11
anniversary of murders. Yeah, it's like a day or type
33:15
thing which we'd step. Number one of being a slasher
33:19
villain. Need to have an anchor for your
33:22
Legend. Yep.
33:23
So the house the anniversary of the deaths.
33:26
His sworn Vengeance. So now we've got like The lore
33:30
surrounding Leslie, Vernon. Yeah, explains the importance of
33:33
cardio because you have to get really, really fast to be a /
33:37
Revenge. He's like you gotta keep up with
33:38
all these kids and you can't look like it's stressing you out
33:42
at all. You got to keep up with them
33:44
running out of walking. Yeah.
33:45
Why you're walking? Yeah.
33:47
Yeah, I like that. Then we go into step.
33:51
Number two, got to find a Target Group, which would be the
33:54
victims that he swags. Yeah, he said it's harder than
33:58
you would think of it as you can't.
33:59
Pick any random group you've got to have a good Supporting Cast
34:02
because it's got to be a mixture of people.
34:04
You don't want all Jaques because then it's you have too
34:09
much testosterone and you're not going to have as much splitting
34:12
up. So you need some jocks is that
34:15
way they can get horny with their girlfriends, but you also
34:18
need some Stoners. That can be like strung out in
34:21
the living room pad, the numbers.
34:22
This is how he puts it. Yeah.
34:23
So like they're parked outside of college campus and they're
34:26
just looking at all these groups of college kids.
34:30
And then he makes eye contact with this one random girl,
34:33
whenever he's describing the final girl or the Survivor girl
34:36
Lester called in this universe. Yeah, it feels very Spirit
34:40
Halloween. Yeah, definitely.
34:42
But like they make eye contact and he's like, did you feel that
34:45
she for the connection with since each other?
34:49
So he's getting The Farmhouse ready.
34:53
It's got to get all the details. Just right.
34:57
What the fuck? Does this note say?
35:00
Kelly Curtis is. Survivor girl.
35:05
Yes, because it cuts to them at the diner and this is at the
35:09
opening of the movie that we watched at first where the girl
35:12
is going out back to take out the trash.
35:14
Yeah, this is step 3. Yes, the flyby.
35:17
Yeah flybys. So basically, he's the stalker
35:21
there. He has this little trick.
35:23
This little Stone that's like rigged with a wire.
35:26
It's called a Brick by Brick. Okay.
35:28
I remember to Stone. So that's what gives a stone of
35:32
sorts. Why are you?
35:35
Why why are you correcting me? Then I'm just trying to get all
35:40
the details out there. Okay?
35:42
So that I think is propping open the door.
35:46
It's tied with a little string, fishing wire.
35:49
Yeah. So you can't see it.
35:51
And then whenever she goes out there to prop it open because
35:53
he's observed her behavior. He knows how she goes about the
35:58
whole routine here. So he knows how the fuck with
36:00
their exactly. So then it cuts back to a movie
36:03
but it's like a Fast forward version of it, where he has
36:06
tailored take the string to be like assistance, she's there.
36:09
And he sends over to the side. That way she can get a glimpse
36:12
of him, but not really sure they stay there, but she knows that
36:17
he's there's something out there and she's on easy.
36:21
Yeah. After they have a successful
36:23
flyby, he fist bumps the cameramen and hugs Taylor.
36:27
Yeah. Which is a very Uncomfortably
36:32
real kind of thing. We're just like fist bumping
36:35
into dudes and then a hug for the girl.
36:37
Yeah, yeah. It was always kind of
36:39
problematic. I mean, he's so fucking serial
36:41
killer. You know what I mean?
36:43
Yeah. Oh visiting his best friend's
36:46
Eugene. And Jamie.
36:48
Mhm. Eugene has in the tank as you
36:50
talked about before. Yeah.
36:51
They pull up into the house and Raskin Jamie.
36:54
And she said, yeah, yeah, he's on the back.
36:56
I've been back there about two days, so they go back there.
36:59
Leslie takes the shovel and dig some up himself.
37:01
Is in the sensory deprivation tank and basically, they have to
37:06
wake him up because he's learning how to play dead.
37:10
Yeah. Just so I get all of your levels
37:13
to the minimum amount that way, you're barely breathing, and
37:15
your blood and everything is going at the minimum and you're
37:18
able to sit as still as possible.
37:20
Yeah. Exactly.
37:22
He shares a history about slashers and how it used to be
37:27
just like purely quantity and then one hit one.
37:31
You're sort of making a mess of things and then and it kind of
37:35
cheapens it. But then J Fred Mike mid and
37:41
made themselves into legendary status.
37:43
They made it. All right of it by returning.
37:47
He said they really started the whole franchise thing.
37:51
Yeah, definitely. He said it's about fear, not
37:56
about killing. He said you have to have evil.
37:59
Yeah, he's active in the Season 70s to.
38:02
So like right before the big boom of the 80s.
38:06
It's funny that they're interviewing his wife also
38:08
Jamie, who was his final girl. And one of the movies which I
38:12
think is so weird. How how does that even happen?
38:16
So she beats him. That is a prequel.
38:20
I want to see. I want to see how that
38:22
developed. How do you go from like
38:24
somebody's chasing you to killing you 20, I can actually
38:28
love this person. I'm going to start a family with
38:31
them. Stockholm syndrome, I suppose
38:34
it's true. Yeah.
38:36
Okay. So he has forged an article that
38:42
I need to get to Kelly and Leslie's Telling You Dean about
38:48
this and he's like, all right, we need to figure out what your
38:54
next move is. You know, I was like, maybe I'll
38:57
kill one of her friends because no, no, it's too soon to do a
38:59
friend, but, you know, maybe, Somebody else, you trust may be
39:02
a librarian. So he's going to place this
39:06
article somewhere in the library where she'll see it and then
39:09
he'll be able to attack the library and there to which the
39:12
librarian is the red herring as they describe.
39:16
This is what he does. He basically constructs this
39:18
whole fake news article about the origin of him and like
39:23
forging up this relationship like a kinship between him and
39:29
what was her name Kelly. Kelly.
39:32
Yeah, so according to this article Kelly's.
39:34
Great-uncle I salted Leslie's mom, which resulted in Her
39:40
pregnancy with Leslie and there's like CGI in the article
39:46
and it's just Kelly turn. Yes.
39:49
Or an older man is facing. Yeah, I just faked it knowing
39:51
how the fuck did you find? This is yeah.
39:53
I mean we all know Photoshop. Yeah.
39:58
So the crew is starting to get a little bit uncomfortable with
40:02
this so he's like you can stay or you can go but you know, you
40:06
can't interfere either way. So they offer to stay.
40:10
And he says that the set the success or failure of all of
40:14
this depends on her, which is, like a very meaningful moment
40:19
once you've seen the movie and, you know, the twist that's
40:21
coming. Yeah, exactly.
40:23
There's a lot of those things right there.
40:25
I think that's one of the things that you could maybe kind of
40:27
pick up on so cuts to them at the library.
40:30
It's gonna go in like back and forth between movie and
40:34
documentary here. But I showing Kelly she's out
40:38
there doing research. Search was we has the film roll.
40:42
It's like the digital things that you can microfiche
40:44
microfiche. So what he does is he leaves the
40:47
start of the article knowing that they keep microfiche of the
40:50
old newspapers downstairs and that the library would have to
40:53
get it for her. So this is, you know, like a
40:56
very elaborate setup to do to accomplish multiple points of
41:00
this. That's the thing about this
41:02
movie is a lot of it hinges, so much on chance.
41:05
Yeah, but yeah, which is kind of nice because You know, a lot of
41:10
times when you watch these movies, you're like, oh well,
41:12
how convenient is it that they found this article right here?
41:14
And according to them it's not like it's such a hard word to be
41:19
able to do everything and make it match up perfectly.
41:21
It's so crazy. Yeah.
41:23
So basically she finds the article asks the librarian
41:27
played by Zelda. I don't know her name.
41:30
Last name. She she's in Pet.
41:34
Sematary. Yeah well known character
41:35
actress. She this is her last movie by
41:38
the way. She gets her, she gets Kelly set
41:42
up with the microfiche and she starts telling about I can,
41:46
every time I say microstation, she gets set up, and then she
41:53
starts talking about Leslie Vernon to.
41:56
So she also knows the legend. Yeah.
41:58
And this is like, wow! They're all doing this.
42:00
This is also when the group is hiding behind the shelves.
42:04
Like, that's where it was. We pops back real quick and then
42:09
I guess he's like giving them the rundown on things and he
42:11
just like ways against the back of the books shelf and it's like
42:14
paradise was and it's just like a Paradise Lost copyright behind
42:19
them. It's one of the dumbest fucking
42:21
things ever, but I swear to God, that thing landed with me so
42:24
hard. I can't, I can't not remember
42:27
that. It's one of the most memorable
42:28
parts of this movie. Yeah, she elaborates on the
42:31
legend. We heard before.
42:33
As a child, he was forced to till the land by hand on the
42:36
Family Farm, which is why he has a little Health side thing.
42:40
And when he eventually gets mob mentality by Glen Echo and is
42:47
thrown over the waterfall. The turtles, picked his bones
42:50
clean. So then that's when Leslie pops
42:55
up kills the librarian but oh wait.
42:58
Oh wait, hmm, we have a Robert Englund.
43:02
We have a Robert Englund in a trench coat and a trench coat
43:07
with that. They gone.
43:08
One and a gun and a slicked-back hair.
43:11
Do. Yes, we got us a Robert Englund.
43:15
Cosplaying as illumise. Yes.
43:17
And he takes a gun. He fires it was we who manages
43:21
to escape and I think he does get hit or something like that.
43:25
But he manages to get away. And then they, the crew all run
43:29
outside and run to the van. They're celebrating because he
43:31
got a day hab. Yeah.
43:33
Basically they have is this person that will stop No matter
43:39
what to try and like prevent evil, it's like Captain his name
43:46
in Moby Dick who is like obsessed with finding the white
43:49
whale doc Halloran. Is also a reference that is duck
43:55
from Cal. Yeah, from The Shining.
43:58
Okay. Yeah, so he talks about doc
44:02
Halloran. Was the psychiatrist that
44:04
visited him when he was little and he predicted that he would
44:07
come back. So here, Really is a fucking
44:09
Loomis tendon. America.
44:11
It was revealed, by the way, in the sequel.
44:15
That would have been made. That he would have been part of
44:20
the mob crew, that would have thrown him over the river.
44:25
Yeah. Well, that sounds perfectly in
44:26
keeping with the Loomis. Hmm, definitely mentality.
44:30
Yeah. So we see Taylor and her crew,
44:36
and they enter the diner, and Dachau Aaron's there and he
44:39
approaches and questions her and tells her that she's actually
44:44
working with a man named Leslie Mancuso from Reno Nevada.
44:49
Yeah, which this is interesting that you get this little bit of
44:52
info right here that he's been lying to the new screw about
44:55
himself. But it also makes you think
44:58
since Taylor was his actual real Survivor girl is this another
45:03
piece of the legend he was building up for her to have to,
45:06
like unravel the mystery? Absolutely.
45:08
So Acted by this but she's not paying you to see.
45:11
And what had happened here is he had forbidden them from going to
45:15
the diner and interacting with Kelly at all and then naturally
45:19
as a documentary crew, they want to go there and get all the
45:22
information they can and so much of the success or failure of his
45:26
quest depends on her and during this whole time Kelly or Kelsey
45:33
I can remember she really Kelly, she's distracted the entire time
45:37
that she's taking their order. Doc Halloran notices.
45:40
Yeah. And does his whole thing but
45:43
Leslie's been observing this entire time.
45:45
Yeah, he is waiting for them at the van.
45:47
He is mad. He hands her up.
45:51
Yeah, van forcibly. She wants to explain why.
45:58
You know she talked about his backstory is fake and he says,
46:02
who cares? If who cares if it's fake, the
46:04
tears real? Yeah basically.
46:08
So So they're back at The Farmhouse there.
46:12
He says that the key is to limit the time inside because there's
46:15
less Mobility. There's a certain code of
46:17
ethics. Like the closet closet is safe
46:20
because there's like, the womb imagery of it.
46:24
Rule number one, nobody gets away.
46:27
Yes. So it starts with the bedroom
46:30
and eventually he needs to whittle it down to just him and
46:33
Kelly. As soon as possible the lights
46:36
are rigged. You guys got like dead
46:38
batteries. All the flashlights.
46:40
No, spare batteries, anywhere and the seller, he's gonna
46:44
attack and start a panic. He'll hide some corpses in the
46:49
shed and in the shed he's going to it's again it's a safe haven
46:54
but he is still going to like rig some weapons so that way
46:57
they don't last very long. Yeah, they basically have one
47:00
use so if you get one good look and then they will fall apart.
47:04
Yeah. But he needs her to go in the
47:07
shed in the first place because Because her entering it is a
47:10
sign of empowerment where she goes from the victim to the
47:12
heroin, because she's going to get a weapon.
47:15
I think it's hilarious. How he's like, she's empowering
47:18
herself with cock. Yes.
47:20
Because she's going to eventually take his weapon from
47:23
him which is taking his manhood. Yes, which again this whole
47:27
that's the ugly of the movie is the the misogyny and the toxic
47:31
masculinity now and it's so funny the whole time.
47:34
He's like he's also doing farm work.
47:36
So he's got apples and this little like Squisher like
47:39
juicer. Yeah.
47:40
And cider press. Yeah, thank you.
47:44
And she's like okay, phrase apples Pusher juicer.
47:47
So she's like, okay. So what's going to happen?
47:49
What's this machine going to do today?
47:51
He's like, well, I don't know. It's going to make some juice
47:56
like it's funny, but I like the whole plan is for him to be
47:59
pinned in there and she's going to use that on him to crush him.
48:02
So yeah, the whole I think it's awesome that he's describing
48:07
what she's going to do to her. Her.
48:09
And like that adds like a whole other layer of fucking with her.
48:13
Yeah, so there's four exits on the first floor and 829 on the
48:18
second floor. They're all sealed shut.
48:20
And this is where they're like, well, they just bust him open
48:23
and he said, you think so? Yeah.
48:28
Says oh I'm he is at a disadvantage so he has because
48:34
it's just him versus all these kids.
48:36
So that's why he does all this preparation to try and you know
48:39
help things go his way more. He's still incredibly
48:42
outnumbered. He does disable their car.
48:46
They're going to go to the barn. Once they realize that there's
48:49
going to be more bodies in there that will distract them.
48:51
Then dr. Halloran will pop up for the
48:54
good versus evil. This Taylor remember is this
48:57
part way through She's like, okay, well, they'll crawl
49:00
through and then it goes, you're forgetting something.
49:03
So yeah, dr. Holland shows up for good versus
49:05
evil and then Kelly will go through to the orchard.
49:09
Representing her birth. It's a Yannick symbol is a
49:15
psychological, and physical passage.
49:17
So, All right. So they take this, they took the
49:21
footage from the confrontation at the library and they're
49:25
showing it to you G and then Jamie they're asking the
49:27
experts. How does one survive he's
49:30
asking? I think they're asking Jamie
49:32
because she's the final girl. So she's like okay.
49:35
So as a final girl how do you survive never hang out with
49:38
virgins and run? Like hell yep and yeah that's
49:43
pretty much it. I wish that they could have
49:47
tapped into more of that. That with her because we get all
49:50
of the killer stuff. I think it's interesting to
49:52
bring in the perspective of the final girl in this scenario,
49:55
two. Okay?
49:57
We see Leslie. Getting ready.
49:59
He is painting his face with a mixture of Preparation, H and
50:04
fire retardant. Yeah, something like constrict
50:08
the blood vessels. That way if you're bleeding, it
50:10
doesn't bleed too badly. Yeah, and he's just he's talking
50:14
about the Paradox of this, is that his fate completely depends
50:18
on her. And then he's so happy.
50:20
He starts to cry, so he's going to take the remaining time.
50:25
He has before the kids arrive and he's going to take one last
50:27
look around. There are eight kids on their
50:33
way in Kelly's. Not drinking.
50:36
I can't read my own handwriting, dude.
50:40
Spark plugs. The spark plugs are out of the
50:42
car. Okay, so they kill the first
50:47
horny couple and this is where R Taylor gets upset.
50:50
Yeah because they're all hiding in the closet.
50:53
Why is it? Yeah.
50:54
Yeah. It's just a curtain separating
50:56
them. But you know what?
50:57
I think it's kind of interesting seeing how he like quickly.
50:59
He goes in there. I'll get it.
51:01
You can tell when it's showtime for him and then he just slides
51:04
the mask on and just goes out there and kills him super fast
51:08
and comes right back which I love that.
51:09
He's got the size because something about like flipping a
51:12
side then your hand is super cool and yeah eating but it's
51:15
also really cool seeing the behind-the-scenes of how us
51:18
washer. Villain Woodman.
51:20
I can maneuver around the house like that.
51:23
Yeah. So you get that.
51:24
And then after they see them like, he's like, oh shit,
51:28
they're actually killing these people and creaky, he knew he
51:32
knew that they were kind of iffy.
51:35
And as soon as he sees their faces, he pulls them out, he
51:37
says, you guys can't be here at you.
51:39
Got to go. You are going to, you know, ruin
51:41
all of this. Yeah.
51:42
So he pushes them back to the van and tells them to go.
51:47
This is cool. This is when they The camera
51:49
crews are okay. We got to go in there and save
51:52
all these people. We know exactly what is going to
51:53
be doing. So we got to go in there and
51:55
stop this thing now and then they take the cameras, I put him
51:58
in the van and then this is when we actually see the cameraman
52:02
for the first time. Yeah and Todd is for sure.
52:07
Kenny from the first grade he is just exactly as him and has like
52:11
a similar. Look, he's a larger dude with a
52:13
backwards cap. Yeah, he's definitely exactly
52:16
like him. So they all go into the house
52:21
and things aren't exactly going as planned right away.
52:25
Shelly is not a virgin. That's what she went, right?
52:29
Oh, she went upstairs with what's-his-face so they go up
52:32
there and she's up there having sex with them.
52:35
Like this is not virgins that no, it is not, that's not that
52:38
is not her first time. No.
52:39
So this those them all off. Yeah.
52:42
However the thing about the two like the couple going to the
52:46
basement that didn't hang out and the I did still get killed
52:50
down there, which sent his girlfriend running upstairs and
52:52
starting the Panic just like Leslie said would happen.
52:54
Yeah. So Kelly doesn't believe that
52:58
she is the Survivor girl and Taylor decides that she's going
53:03
to show bulbs and scape out of house.
53:09
Early bodies, moved. Wait wait, I can't read my
53:13
handwriting. Okay, I think the essence of
53:17
this is that since she knows the steps.
53:18
Jep she's like all right. Cool.
53:20
We're going to skip all of the other stuff.
53:22
He had set up and we're just going to go ahead and we're
53:24
going to go out to our van because we know that your all's
53:27
vehicle has been fucked with except also been fucked with.
53:32
Yeah start and that's when they realized that Leslie knows.
53:36
So two of the stone our kids have gone out to the toolshed
53:38
they're both killed so they run back to Kelly.
53:41
All the tires have been slashed on all the vehicles.
53:47
Yeah, everything's been sabotaged.
53:48
There's just bodies everywhere, they're running around the van
53:51
won't start. They go to the barn.
53:53
Mhm. This is when Taylor realizes
53:58
that she is the target all along because we're still going over.
54:03
Like I'm not a virgin. Kelsey is basically Raquel.
54:06
He's basically saying that and that's when Taylor, he realizes.
54:09
Oh my God, it's been me this entire time and everybody's
54:12
shocked that she's a virgin doc Hallie.
54:15
In arrives because they remember that that was coming up soon
54:19
Leslie's in the barn. Now he's also picking off the
54:22
kids one by one. Yeah.
54:25
He is chasing them and at one point he kills tired and I just
54:29
wrote in my notes. It's done for Todd, man.
54:33
I'm done Todd. So Taylor says it really doesn't
54:40
matter what she does, because he picked her a long time ago.
54:44
Yeah. So he's In like five steps ahead
54:46
of them this entire time, no matter.
54:48
He knows that they know so he's been doing his own thing.
54:51
Yeah, he's in their heads, they're all mostly dead or have
54:56
been attacked at this point. I wish I knew what was going on
55:01
in my head and I wrote these notes, I wrote Leslie gets two
55:05
kids, both and Duncan Doug. You did that because of the
55:11
Texas Chainsaw Massacre thing. Oh, I don't remember what
55:16
happened. I think.
55:17
Maybe somebody fell out of a window or something.
55:19
That does happen at some point because they try and jump out of
55:21
the Second Story window, like, they like you predicted.
55:25
That's right. That's right.
55:26
Yeah. He had clipped some of the
55:27
branches. So she tried to grab the branch
55:29
being snapped and she fell to her death.
55:31
Yeah. Okay.
55:33
Okay. So yeah.
55:35
Everything is going down basically, exactly as predicted,
55:37
even though Taylor was the Survivor girl the whole time.
55:41
So she's having to adjust now. She's so ends up doing it.
55:45
Exactly what he says, she goes and gets an Ax from the shed and
55:47
heads to the orchard. Exactly, they fight he
55:51
disappears. She's searching around for him.
55:54
Back in the shed, Taylor's attacked and then the orchard is
56:00
set on fire after they've fought some more.
56:03
Yeah. And it's like a whole scuffle
56:06
they end up in a room with the juicer and as you predicted his
56:10
head good swatched in there and she takes the machine and
56:14
killed. Him in quotations.
56:17
Yeah. And yeah.
56:18
Everything's on fire, she walks off and then dug one of the crew
56:23
members and Doc Halloran are so alive.
56:25
So alive, so they they walk off and yeah.
56:30
So during the credits, it's goes to security footage of a morgue
56:37
and the more mortician Psycho Killer plays A Psycho Killer
56:41
plays is doing his thing, which is very on the nose, but I'm so
56:44
excited. Got it.
56:45
No I'm not either but this is basically like the ending of
56:47
Halloween resurrection and terrified like the he unzips the
56:50
bag and he's still alive and heels.
56:55
So yeah that's the end of the movie.
56:59
Yay. Okay after talking about it do
57:00
you feel any differently now? I still think it's great.
57:05
I might bump it up to a 9.5 actually, because of the whole
57:08
like story within a story Legend within a legend, he was really
57:12
thinking he is playing chess and she was Playing checkers.
57:16
Absolutely. I'm keeping my 99.5.
57:19
But yeah, I think that this movie is really awesome.
57:23
It's just, it's a fun way to point out the tropes that we all
57:27
know and love and like I said before it just doesn't feel old
57:31
or yeah. And I just I feel mean-spirited
57:33
either. Yeah.
57:34
It doesn't mean like, it's just a good time.
57:36
Yeah, it captures that era perfectly.
57:38
I think Talia was in fantastic Spirits.
57:42
As we watch this, she sat between us and she was demanding
57:46
love, and she watched it the whole time, because we came back
57:48
from the night market and we brought her treats.
57:51
She was very excited. So I think telling you guys this
57:53
a nine. Yeah, yeah.
57:56
So we watch it. Zoe appeared when doc Halloran
58:00
popped up, okay? So she was I'd say she was in
58:03
there for half of it. She really liked every time he
58:06
was on the screen is when she would pop up.
58:08
Yeah. So true, she likes Robert
58:10
Englund. She does because he one of his
58:13
characters experience an explosion and Theft.
58:15
Yep. Yeah, that's the reason,
58:18
exactly, 100%. Do you have a tag line?
58:20
You want to put on this? Hmm, The Mask comes off.
58:30
That's not bad. Mmm.
58:34
I don't know. I'm thinking of I'm thinking for
58:38
the episode art of this. I'm going to do because this is
58:41
going to complement. The poster that we make.
58:45
Be the legend, you wish to be. That sounds perfect.
58:49
Because my idea for this is to do a Hall of Fame, wall of
58:53
portraits of some of the icons and he's going to be right there
58:57
and he's finally made it. So what was it again?
59:00
Be the legend you wish to be that.
59:02
Boom. Right there.
59:03
That's hopeful. That's inspirational.
59:05
How I could a what? Okay, I wish you watch drag race
59:09
because I would say please give him a legendary Legend star.
59:13
I don't get that. But for those of you who do get
59:15
it, Good on you. Okay, who's your relate to?
59:27
Tough on, right? Yeah.
59:29
Because everybody fits within a Trope of a horror movie here.
59:32
So maybe pick whichever Trope you think is best suited for
59:36
your type of character? I'm probably one of the smaller
59:40
guys that gets picked off. I'm one of the Stoners say, I
59:43
feel like maybe I'm one of Kelly's, friends.
59:48
That's just kind of there to hang out.
59:50
I don't feel like I'm Final Girl Material.
59:52
No, no, yeah, we're both fucked in a while but we're not going
59:56
to Well, okay, so you're one of the friends.
59:59
Yeah, you're the friend. Yeah, that was downstairs on the
1:00:02
couch. And I'm one of the Stoners
1:00:05
there. The one with the beanie because
1:00:08
I wear beanies occasionally you wear lots of hats.
1:00:11
How do I wear many hats? I don't know.
1:00:13
I don't mean that metaphorically.
1:00:15
I know, just where lots of hats and I do wear many hats, yes.
1:00:21
Okay, I've got a review. Okay, obviously, not so
1:00:25
favorable. I don't know.
1:00:27
I did find an interesting one that was a Critic one, but ended
1:00:30
up going user because they, it was more information and you
1:00:35
know what I mean? So, this person wasn't very
1:00:37
happy with it. I was looking forward to really
1:00:41
seeing this movie when it came out and I was at Red Box at
1:00:44
midnight to make my purchase the movie started out as a
1:00:46
documentary on the self-proclaimed.
1:00:48
Killer Leslie Vernon. Well at first, I thought it was
1:00:51
cool and then it just drew out forever.
1:00:54
The acting was horrible by the cast.
1:00:56
In this movie and the special effects were not great at all.
1:00:59
No Gore at all. And no real scare factor to go
1:01:02
with it. I expected a lot more out of
1:01:04
this movie from other reviews that I've read.
1:01:07
I'm a big horror fan, and this one can be, can go in the trash.
1:01:11
Can I hope this review was helpful to you?
1:01:13
I'm just saying if you like movies mainly about someone
1:01:16
being taped doing absolutely nothing.
1:01:18
You might like it. Okay.
1:01:21
So, to each their own, of course, everybody has opinions.
1:01:27
I'm confused how he can say the effects are bad, but also
1:01:30
there's no Gore. Well, yes, I don't know.
1:01:38
I mean there are deaths but you don't really see a whole lot.
1:01:41
But yeah. So and you do get some effects.
1:01:44
I mean, you get blood, you know what I mean?
1:01:47
Like I it's such a weird thing in the horror Community because
1:01:50
there are some people that are like Like horror movies have to
1:01:52
be scary. Yeah and it's not horror if it's
1:01:57
not scary and because this isn't necessarily meant to scare you
1:02:02
but really more talks about like how killer becomes scary.
1:02:07
You know what I mean? Like yeah I can see how I can
1:02:10
see how if you want just a straight-up slasher that this
1:02:13
might not appeal. I agree with a in.
1:02:17
It kind of becomes that in the second half but I think with
1:02:19
everything that you were introduced, you get to know the
1:02:21
Way too much for it to be scary. I don't think it's meant to be a
1:02:24
scary but I think it would be cool if it did get scary because
1:02:30
like, what if whenever that Revelation is made that it's
1:02:34
actually her you actually feel like you yourself have that rug
1:02:38
pulled out from under you and you also don't know what's
1:02:41
happening. I don't feel like that is
1:02:43
accomplished with this movie because I feel like it still
1:02:46
maintains the tone it had in the first half.
1:02:48
I feel like we needed like Jigsaw type Montage happening
1:02:55
where she like goes like rewinds in her mind.
1:02:58
Everything that's happened, and it's like don't do it at all.
1:03:01
Dot, dot, dot, dot dot. Yeah.
1:03:03
Like figuring out, all these moments where, like, he was
1:03:05
actually targeting this towards her.
1:03:08
Oh, yeah. And thinking about that before.
1:03:10
One of the other things that I thought, tipped me off was
1:03:12
whenever they were reviewing. The footage of the Ahab and
1:03:16
Eugene offers her a drink and she's like, no, no, that's okay.
1:03:18
And he's like, got a good one. You know, he's like saying that
1:03:23
the weather's like are right, you've done, good work, man.
1:03:26
So I think that they're like they have those little seeds.
1:03:29
You can go hunting for them. I don't think that they're like
1:03:32
interface or anything like that. Yeah, I do have this one other
1:03:37
review that is the creek, when this is a short thing.
1:03:40
So we've got plenty. We're pretty fast on this
1:03:43
episode so far so I feel like when a little extra thing
1:03:46
wouldn't hurt. I just sighs interesting
1:03:50
desperately overcompensating, for the fact that most horror
1:03:54
films are already parodies of themselves behind them.
1:03:56
Ask takes a bite out of the dumb scream franchise before
1:03:59
devouring its own tail proving that you are what you eat.
1:04:03
It sounds like a critic that just doesn't like horror movies.
1:04:06
Yeah. Things are calling scream.
1:04:08
Dumb that is. It's telling of their
1:04:11
preference. Yeah, which I, you know, that's
1:04:14
not to say, like, to be gatekeeping, like you have to,
1:04:16
like scream in this. To be a horror fan don't like
1:04:20
horror movies at all, or they are so serious about liking
1:04:24
horror movies, that they can't have a sense of More about it.
1:04:27
It could be that it could go either way.
1:04:29
Yeah. But either way, you know, I
1:04:32
think Amanda is nice. I think it's nice to call
1:04:34
attention to tropes that way. It's calling people out on not
1:04:37
being original. I also think like for where fans
1:04:41
like us that are fully, you know, we were joking around
1:04:46
about it at the beginning of this episode, but like, our
1:04:48
taste is just become trash. In trash ear, that more into
1:04:52
horror we get, and I think it's, because we realized that we like
1:04:56
the Ropes. The tropes are part of what gets
1:04:58
and it's not the those aren't the only movies.
1:05:01
We like we still like the new inventive like whoa,
1:05:04
mind-blowing movies. That's true.
1:05:07
But we also see the fun in the basics.
1:05:12
Yeah. Like that tried-and-true
1:05:15
formula. Yeah so that's fun.
1:05:16
The comfortable stuff. I agree with that.
1:05:19
Yeah you're right because I mean there's room for both.
1:05:21
Yeah I have to have one or the other.
1:05:23
I don't really like that argument of people.
1:05:26
In that you have to do things differently every single time.
1:05:30
I think it's perfectly fine to make very formulaic movie.
1:05:33
They hits all the tropes and beats.
1:05:35
They are familiar with joy. It.
1:05:37
Yeah. Enjoy it.
1:05:38
I'm very excited to have this conversation in a couple months
1:05:41
when we cover five cream. Oh yes.
1:05:44
Yes, that's true. I mean pretty much all scream.
1:05:47
We're going to be talking about this type of stuff especially
1:05:49
all the meta stuff. Yeah but I mean that's the whole
1:05:51
fucking point in five is schlocky slashers first versus
1:05:56
Fucking arthouse shit. Yeah.
1:05:58
And I'm not saying that is this to say elevated horror, he is
1:06:03
the dumbest guy. That's the one thing that I hate
1:06:05
the most from this series, they made that they point that I hate
1:06:11
that. I love the that she says it,
1:06:13
like a pretentious Little Nerd to bet the Duke.
1:06:16
Yeah, they make her a little pretentious during that movie,
1:06:20
she's so much better. It's okay.
1:06:22
So I got our listener views. Okay, so let's start off.
1:06:26
With our wound Instagram review. This comes from horror nerd 86.
1:06:31
Okay. They say, one of my favorite
1:06:33
movies. Bummed we never got the sequel
1:06:35
that they wanted to do same after hearing what they were
1:06:39
thinking about doing with it. I would love to see that I would
1:06:42
sue. They said that anything that's
1:06:44
in that comic book is Cannon. If they do progress because the
1:06:48
way they made it sound, if they do end up, making something
1:06:51
else, they're going to skip that because the material was stated
1:06:54
and also they've I've told that story now.
1:06:57
I guess they wanted to adapt the comic book, but I think they
1:07:00
want to do something fresh. I mean, that's kind of what he
1:07:04
who shall not be named of The Buffy and Angel series did was
1:07:09
he did comic books that are considered Canon but like, and
1:07:13
they're even referred to as like season a season 90, really?
1:07:17
Yeah, I can. He continued the show
1:07:20
afterwards. Yeah.
1:07:21
But like in comic book, right? Oh, that's cool.
1:07:24
Yeah. Yeah.
1:07:25
But there's some unfortunate. At storylines in those that.
1:07:28
Oh, cool. This is Canon now.
1:07:30
Yeah, no, I especially considering the fact that Xander
1:07:34
is just, we didn't insert. Oh, I didn't even think about.
1:07:38
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not exactly a novel
1:07:41
idea. That's something that has been
1:07:43
going on with a lot of Series. Yeah, even expands to a
1:07:47
videogames that war gets introduced in books.
1:07:51
Yeah. Okay.
1:07:54
Other at Twitter we have Charles.
1:07:57
He says, it's a fun and inventive.
1:08:00
Take on a genre that is ripe for this dissection.
1:08:03
Anyone who considers themselves a horror fan, should watch this.
1:08:06
It may not win on those unfamiliar with the genre.
1:08:09
I think that's true. I think I well I mean, I think
1:08:10
you could still get enjoyment out of.
1:08:12
It would be an interesting way of introducing people to it, but
1:08:15
I think it really is intended for people who are familiar.
1:08:18
It's kind of like, when you watch Dragon Ball Z abridged on
1:08:24
YouTube. Like, I enjoy watching those
1:08:27
with you, but I'm sure you get something way different out of
1:08:30
it, than kind of, I'm kind of over Bridge.
1:08:32
They stopped. I mean, it's done as far as I
1:08:36
know now. But what they did with that it
1:08:38
was more. They were basically adapting at
1:08:42
a certain point while making these jokes that I feel like
1:08:47
corrupted. The community is one of those
1:08:50
things where it's like, stupid Insider jokes and it's Driven
1:08:52
the cast of the show. I people just make these
1:08:56
unrelated. Did it kind of like CinemaSins
1:09:01
know? Like it's basically like they
1:09:02
tried to do their own dub of Dragon Ball a certain point, you
1:09:06
know? I mean, either telling the story
1:09:07
they weren't modifying anything and then it kind of got serious
1:09:10
at points and it's like, this is a comedy.
1:09:12
This is all supposed to be stupid shit.
1:09:14
Yeah, and yeah, the stickleback the days of the curl and pone
1:09:18
count. That was fine.
1:09:20
The thing that they did the most, I think, They made the
1:09:23
Entre that think that that's when he became the punching bag
1:09:26
was because people were always clowning on him.
1:09:28
This has nothing to do with young.
1:09:30
Sure. Always been the punching bag
1:09:31
little know. He was like a badass and the
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first Miami he's been like a badass all like the entire time
1:09:39
and he took a back seat but no, he was really cool and Dragon
1:09:44
Ball for sure. Unrelated, not a bad Dragon
1:09:48
Ball. Okay, next up, we have wdr Pete.
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TV. They say I enjoyed it.
1:09:54
Pretty clever little movie a great.
1:09:56
Yeah, definitely. And the final one is movies for
1:10:00
days says who of this flick it was a big deal for me.
1:10:03
When I first saw it during college Great Performances,
1:10:05
excellent pace, and use of meta devices, funny and Charming,
1:10:09
sneaky and dangerous, leaves a lasting impression.
1:10:12
I absolutely agree because this is one that I like, I knew it
1:10:17
was smaller and more of a cult movie, but I was kind of
1:10:20
surprised to hear what it's gross.
1:10:22
Is. Yeah.
1:10:23
And isn't limited release. Yeah and it it's one that I
1:10:28
forget other people haven't seen.
1:10:31
I mean we're so weight on it. We watched this for the first
1:10:34
time probably like what 76 years ago?
1:10:38
Some like that. I don't remember.
1:10:39
Well, it wasn't the first time. Yeah, thing is like it was like
1:10:43
probably a decade after this movie came out.
1:10:46
So it took a little bit for it to catch, but it finally did
1:10:50
catch on, I think. Okay, that's it.
1:10:54
That's all the reviews I got. Okay.
1:10:57
So, all right. Next week.
1:11:00
Next week. It's our patreon voted episode.
1:11:03
Yes, the battle of the mall rony's has concluded and we are
1:11:08
talking sobbing Mom. Oh yeah.
1:11:12
I'm so excited because I've been wanting to talk this one
1:11:14
forever. Yeah.
1:11:16
All right now you can watch it for free everywhere.
1:11:20
Yeah. I mean, I'm On this thing to do
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to be red box. Crackle Prime Plex free V or if
1:11:29
you have subscriptions to fubo TV or Philo, you can watch it
1:11:32
for free as it on shutter right now.
1:11:34
It is okay. There's even a Joe Bob episode
1:11:37
on it and we're going to actually have friends.
1:11:40
Yes, we are going to have friends on some long overdue
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friends. Yes.
1:11:45
So our browser can be be of shaken up scared.
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If they have the most since the early early days of the show,
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Yeah yeah it's been an invitation.
1:11:57
Yeah I was going to say that we've we've been on their show
1:12:00
more recently than that. But yeah no that's recently
1:12:03
though either way it's been a while.
1:12:05
So long overdue. I'm excited.
1:12:08
I keep thinking of like being in our house as being recent, but
1:12:12
we've been in our house for two years and the show is just over
1:12:16
two years. Yeah, exactly.
1:12:17
So it's really, my sense of time is incredibly stupid.
1:12:21
So it's fine, it's all good. So yeah, we're only talking
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about that. So watch it, it's free.
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It's it's, it's 80s. She is man.
1:12:30
We were taught you. You want to talk about movie?
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They hits the tropes is a movie that hits the tropes and it does
1:12:36
it in fantastic 80s wheeze. It's so much fun.
1:12:41
I just I love this dumb little movie screen.
1:12:44
Is that gas to? Yeah.
1:12:45
And it's one that we'll just put on like random.
1:12:48
It's almost like a comfort movie for us.
1:12:50
I mean it's such a short movie. I remember one year like we're
1:12:53
decorating Christmas cookies, remember that watching it Chris
1:12:56
is dinosaur cookies it's fine. Yeah I mean whatever may be
1:13:00
about Killer Robots. I'm off course you make dinosaur
1:13:04
cookies. Yeah actress.
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