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American Parents Coalition · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of the mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of your favorite podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I am your Handy Handy Dandy co host Bethany Mandel.
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  Speaker 2: I am going to be joined next episode by my
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  Speaker 2: regular co host car Kennedy, who's going to tell us
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  Speaker 2: the horrible saga of her trip to England and back. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: it sounded terrible, and you guys, maybe we should all
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  Speaker 2: like do a GoFundMe for like a new suitcase, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe like an airplane for her so she can fly
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  Speaker 2: private from now on. But in the meantime, I am
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  Speaker 2: joined by Ali Maray, right, that's how you say it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the executive director of the American Parents Coalitions. So I
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  Speaker 2: hosted Kevin mccullu's show, That Kevin Show last week, and
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  Speaker 2: you and I talked and I was like, I need
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  Speaker 2: more than the eight minutes allotted. It was not nearly enough.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm so glad that you came on the
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  Speaker 2: podcast because for folks that didn't hear that radio show,
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  Speaker 2: the TLDR is I'm a member of the YMCA. I
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  Speaker 2: love the YMCA, but I'm a little nervous about it now.
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  Speaker 2: So I usually go with my kids and I get
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  Speaker 2: changed in the family bathroom. Because I have little boys,
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  Speaker 2: I have little girls. It's just easier to go in
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  Speaker 2: the family bathroom. So can you tell my listeners, like,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on at the YMCA, because I was
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked. I follow all this stuff really carefully.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a LIMC member, and you open my eyes to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So at many ymcs across the country, we're both
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  Speaker 1: they're changing facilities their like in house sports leagues, and
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  Speaker 1: then also there this also extends to their camps and
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  Speaker 1: their overnight accommodations. We're seeing that there has just they've
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  Speaker 1: completely blurred the lines between boys and girls, male and female,
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  Speaker 1: and so a lot of their policies are reflective of
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  Speaker 1: quote gender identity versus sex. So males have access to
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  Speaker 1: female bathrooms. And to the point you brought up earlier,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the YMCA is traditionally a very family friendly
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  Speaker 1: focused gym. This isn't you know, Planet Fitness or Gold
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  Speaker 1: Gym where you have adults, Not that it really matters
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of the fight, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a totally different level when you're talking about kids as
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  Speaker 1: young as you know, toddlers in the locker room with
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  Speaker 1: their parents changing into swimsuits. It's just a whole new
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  Speaker 1: level of safety concerns, privacy violations when you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: kids that young. So we first started our investigation into
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  Speaker 1: this last year where we were focused a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more on the locker room side of it, and then
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  Speaker 1: this summer we did a second iteration where we dug
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  Speaker 1: a little bit deeper into the camps and some of
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  Speaker 1: the policies surrounding the camps because of their overnight accommodations.
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  Speaker 2: So this kind of stuff is so important to me
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  Speaker 2: because So I had a phone conversation with a girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: about a month ago and she called me in a
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  Speaker 2: panic because her son was getting on a plane the
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  Speaker 2: next day to go to a sleep away camp and
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  Speaker 2: she found out that they had this gender pfirming policy
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  Speaker 2: in the camp and she was like, I don't I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know. I don't know what to do. And
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  Speaker 2: it's so important to have an organization that is like
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  Speaker 2: doing this digging that parents don't have the time to do,
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  Speaker 2: Like people don't have the time to investigate this, and
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  Speaker 2: this is something I mean, she ended up her kid
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  Speaker 2: ended up in a bunk. Her son ended up in
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  Speaker 2: a bunk with a young woman and he was not comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: And she's I mean, she's never sending to this camp again.
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  Speaker 2: But perhaps it's tough to have this conversation in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of August now, but parents need to be aware
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  Speaker 2: that this is This is not only you know what
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  Speaker 2: a lot of camps opt into, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of camps in this country where they're mandated by state
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  Speaker 2: law to go by gender identity. And this is the
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  Speaker 2: This is the case across the country in summer camps,
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  Speaker 2: and it's to me, it's just wild because I think
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  Speaker 2: it opens up a whole web of liability if a
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  Speaker 2: girl gets raped in her bunk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And then there's also, of course, even on
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  Speaker 1: a much different scale, just discrimination real large, like you
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  Speaker 1: explained with your friend. I mean, that child doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go back to that camp ever again, and that
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  Speaker 1: puts the burden of discrimination on that individual, not the
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  Speaker 1: person that they're allegedly trying to be quote inclusive toward.
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  Speaker 1: And so there are just so many lines that get
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  Speaker 1: blurred and boundaries that get blurred when you're having these
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  Speaker 1: types of policies. One thing that's particularly important I think
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  Speaker 1: for parents to understand is unfortunately, no organization is really
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  Speaker 1: safe like the YMCA. To me is the perfect example
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  Speaker 1: because I grew up probably are County's top patron of
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  Speaker 1: the YMCA. I credit it for my ability to be
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  Speaker 1: able to go and play college sports. I was at
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  Speaker 1: the Why every single day after school for two or
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  Speaker 1: three hours playing basketball, and I from that trusted the
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  Speaker 1: Why the same way when you go off to college,
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  Speaker 1: you're buying lawn detergent, You're probably going to get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you are used to smelling at home, and so
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  Speaker 1: that that trust transfers and you don't necessarily think to
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  Speaker 1: start over and do that investigation all over again when
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  Speaker 1: you start making the decisions on where to send your
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  Speaker 1: own kids. And one of the things that our organization
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  Speaker 1: tries to point out we have it's called a Lookout
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's not quite a newsletter because it's not
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  Speaker 1: in a regular schedule. We try not to spam our
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  Speaker 1: members' inboxes. It's when we think something's important, we will
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  Speaker 1: let you know, and otherwise you won't hear from us.
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  Speaker 1: So we send this out to try and remind parents
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  Speaker 1: that the WHY being a perfect example. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: literally everything you do you have to research it. Unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: as if it's brand new, everything from TV shows to
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  Speaker 1: summer camps to gyms, and so we try and really
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  Speaker 1: sound the alarm on that.
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  Speaker 2: So I know that there's been controversies at other gyms
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  Speaker 2: with relation to this issue, and so is I mean,
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  Speaker 2: do you do you off the top of your head
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  Speaker 2: know the other gyms that have who have policy.
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  Speaker 1: It does vary based on state. Planet Fitness is definitely
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  Speaker 1: one of them where we see a lot of examples,
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  Speaker 1: especially in California. And then one thing that is different
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  Speaker 1: again about the Why versus some of these other gyms
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  Speaker 1: is the federal funding portion of it. Because the Why
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  Speaker 1: receives so much money in federal funding, there's actually an
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  Speaker 1: enforcement mechanism different than like the bud light saga for example.
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  Speaker 1: Now that like people really voted with their dollar and
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  Speaker 1: they stopped buying it. And that was a really great
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  Speaker 1: case study in being able to see what the conservative
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  Speaker 1: purchase power is or just I guess in this case,
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  Speaker 1: the rational purchase power. But with the Why, there's even
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  Speaker 1: greater ability to affect change because they are federally funded
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  Speaker 1: and when you receive federal funding, you're required to comply
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  Speaker 1: with federal anti discrimination laws, being Title nigh and so
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  Speaker 1: when the why has erased these for sex based spaces
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  Speaker 1: and instead subbed that out with gender identity based spaces,
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  Speaker 1: they're not complying. So between you know, the President's executive
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  Speaker 1: order his first or second week saying we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to fund anything that that supports gender identity, and then
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  Speaker 1: also just Title nine more broadly, the wise stands to
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  Speaker 1: lose a substantial amount of money. And that's different than
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  Speaker 1: the Planet Fitness, the goal gyms. They's private corporations that
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  Speaker 1: are much more reliant on the market speaking. This is
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  Speaker 1: something where it's kind of it's twofold.
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  Speaker 2: So would would this involve like having plaintiffs in a
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  Speaker 2: lawsuit or could this just straight go to the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm a little confused about the league out of it.
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  Speaker 1: It could be could be either, you know, if there
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  Speaker 1: were an individual who wanted to take it to court,
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  Speaker 1: it could go that direction, but also it could come
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  Speaker 1: straight from the administration. They could review their grants in
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  Speaker 1: federal funding based on compliance or lack of with Title nine,
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  Speaker 1: and could just make the decision to remove the funding
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  Speaker 1: the same way we saw them do that. We're threatened that.
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  Speaker 1: For example, up in Maine, when they were having the
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  Speaker 1: conversation about and believe it was track but the male
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  Speaker 1: track athletes competing against the girls, and the president and
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  Speaker 1: Janet Mills, the governor there, we're going at it and
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  Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to remove your funding. But this
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  Speaker 1: is actually a little bit cleaner because there are nonprofit
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  Speaker 1: organization instead of a public school institution. But it would
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  Speaker 1: be a similar principle that could apply there.
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  Speaker 2: Is there so I mean, obviously there's the safety concern
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  Speaker 2: of the bathrooms and the sleepway camps, for sure, that's
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  Speaker 2: I think that's in one bucket that to me is
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  Speaker 2: like way more emergent. But is there a second bucket
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  Speaker 2: of competition between boys and girls who were competing at
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  Speaker 2: the Why is that also a concern?
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  Speaker 1: It is to your point, it tends to get less attention.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, because you see that a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more clearly, and parents can kind of make that decision
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  Speaker 1: in real time. They're sitting on the sideline, what the
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  Speaker 1: heck is this? So it gets a little bit less
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  Speaker 1: of the bigger attention. But yeah, some of these the
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  Speaker 1: states that have the state based protections for gender identity,
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  Speaker 1: like New York State that now has that written into
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  Speaker 1: their state constitution. Places like that, the YMCA is trying
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  Speaker 1: to use that as cover to say, well, we're just
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  Speaker 1: complying with state law, even though that you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: a two keep by half explanation.
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  Speaker 2: So have you heard any stories about, you know, things
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  Speaker 2: happening in bathrooms at YMCAs or on sports leagues or
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  Speaker 2: is this all sort of preemptive We have.
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  Speaker 1: We've spoken to a handful of families in Washington State
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  Speaker 1: where they've had, you know, the first hand experience with this.
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  Speaker 1: And then a lot of it is also compiled from reporting,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is is important because you kind of
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  Speaker 1: see these little pieces reported ad hoc here and there
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  Speaker 1: across the country, and then organizations such as ours can
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  Speaker 1: pull all that together and say like, hey, this is
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  Speaker 1: not a nice lit incident. It's also not necessarily isolated
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  Speaker 1: to the quote blue state places that you would think
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  Speaker 1: it's happening everywhere. These are the excuses you know that
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  Speaker 1: are that are being used. But yes, we have spoken
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  Speaker 1: to there was a family and there was a woman
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  Speaker 1: in Washington State who used to work at the why
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  Speaker 1: and she brought this forward and she was actually fired
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  Speaker 1: from her position because she she brought it up within
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  Speaker 1: their staff meeting and said like, hey, we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: doing this, and they fired her. Very similarly to another
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  Speaker 1: woman in Washington State, and this one was very widely reported,
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  Speaker 1: who was an older woman, I think she was in
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  Speaker 1: her eighties, and she came out of the out of
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  Speaker 1: the restroom and said that there was a man changing
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  Speaker 1: his clothes and watching two teenage girls change their clothes,
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  Speaker 1: and the front desk told her that he was trans
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  Speaker 1: and had every right to be there, and they revoked
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  Speaker 1: her membership. She got her membership from the y cut
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  Speaker 1: because she came to the front desk concerned for those
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  Speaker 1: little girls, young girl's safety.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God. So this is the thing. I will repeat
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  Speaker 2: this until I'm blue in the face. When I was
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  Speaker 2: promoting my book Stolen Youth, this was something that deeply,
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  Speaker 2: deeply bothered me because as women, we are born with
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  Speaker 2: this like very innate evolutionary alarm system that when something
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  Speaker 2: tells us that we're in danger, you need to listen
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  Speaker 2: to that internal alarm. And I spoke to a mom
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  Speaker 2: and it was actually related to this. It was at
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  Speaker 2: a summer camp, and there was a man in her bonk,
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  Speaker 2: and she was afraid to say something because a month
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  Speaker 2: or two earlier, she had said something wrong and like
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  Speaker 2: I'm using very heavy quotation marks there about something related
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  Speaker 2: to gender identity. And she was president of her class
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  Speaker 2: at school, and she was removed from that position because
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  Speaker 2: she was in the wrong about something in general identity.
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  Speaker 2: And so that summer she went to camp and there
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  Speaker 2: was a male counselor who I mean, this is insane
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  Speaker 2: that first of all, we're telling girls to silence their
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  Speaker 2: internal alarms, but we're also doing it to ourselves as adults.
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  Speaker 2: The way that she described this man, he had half
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  Speaker 2: of his head shaved, the other half of his hair
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  Speaker 2: was blue, his teeth were rotting out of his mouth,
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  Speaker 2: and he's in charge in the bunk itself of twelve
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  Speaker 2: and thirteen year old girls. Oh my god. And so
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  Speaker 2: this girl was scared and all the girls would have
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  Speaker 2: a buddy system so that they would never be alone
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  Speaker 2: with him. And she didn't sleep for the four days
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  Speaker 2: that she was at this sleepway camp. Thank god, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like a month long camp. And she silenced her
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  Speaker 2: internal alarm. Then under normal circumstances, she would have marched
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  Speaker 2: herself down to the office and said, call my mom,
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  Speaker 2: I feel scared, and she was taught by her school
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  Speaker 2: you shut up or there are dire consequences when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to gender stuff, and like this is never something
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be quantifiable, like how many girls are
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  Speaker 2: going to be raped, how many girls are going to
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  Speaker 2: be killed, because we're raising an entire generation of girls
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  Speaker 2: to silence that internal alarm, and the consequences of this
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  Speaker 2: are immeasurable.
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  Speaker 1: You're spot on. And it's also the complete opposite of
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  Speaker 1: what we were told when it was convenient in twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen of the Believe All Women. You know, at
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  Speaker 1: that time it was you know, apropos to be all
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  Speaker 1: believe all women, and every single thing that said, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not it can be validated, is the truth. And
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  Speaker 1: then at the same time, now shove that all down
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  Speaker 1: because you don't want to offend anybody and say the
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  Speaker 1: wrong thing. Another group of girls that I think really
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  Speaker 1: gets the short end of the stick here. When you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at the athletes themselves, we spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time talking about the women on the podium, as we should.
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  Speaker 1: They have worked their butts off to get there, and
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  Speaker 1: they are losing spots all the time. But what I
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  Speaker 1: think often gets overlooked is actually the girls who may
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  Speaker 1: benefit the most from sports writ large, which are those
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  Speaker 1: girls in middle school who are like right on the
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  Speaker 1: cusp about to get cut, and then you get these
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  Speaker 1: boys on the team who take their spots, and so
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  Speaker 1: you have these girls who you know, maybe aren't that
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  Speaker 1: great athletes, or you know they're they're the twelfth man
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  Speaker 1: and they just barely made the team. But those are
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  Speaker 1: the girls who will benefit the most from the friendships,
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  Speaker 1: the camaraderie, the mentorship from the coach. You know that
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  Speaker 1: may help them get in better shape and give them
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  Speaker 1: like a huge boost of self confidence at eleven and
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  Speaker 1: twelve when your confidence is just shot by puberty and
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  Speaker 1: everything else that's going on socially and trying to find
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  Speaker 1: your place, and we have just completely neutered that instinct,
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  Speaker 1: and those girls will never go on. And you see
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  Speaker 1: the statistics all the time of I think it's ninety
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  Speaker 1: four percent of women in C suite roles played sports.
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  Speaker 1: So the impact of sports is so much bigger than
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  Speaker 1: whether or not you go on to play professionally. Or
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  Speaker 1: even in college. It's what gives you that drive and
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  Speaker 1: that understanding of competition in a place where it's safe
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  Speaker 1: to explore that and to build those relationships with your
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  Speaker 1: teammates that these girls will now never get because if
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  Speaker 1: you squish that at twelve years old, it's not going
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  Speaker 1: to try out again in eight three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Does the Constitution require a unitary executive in control of
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  Speaker 3: all things apportion to the executive branch? John You says yes.
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  Speaker 4: The Constitution grants all executive power in the federal government
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  Speaker 4: to the president. One of those duties of the president
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  Speaker 4: also has is to take care that the laws be
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  Speaker 4: faithfully executed. He's the only official in the Constitution who
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  Speaker 4: has given that responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: George Will says no, it seems to be.
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  Speaker 5: The unitary executive theory scratches what I would call humanity's
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  Speaker 5: rosetta stown itch, that is, the desire to find something
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  Speaker 5: that decodes everything and answers all questions.
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  Speaker 3: The unitary executive theory coming up on Conservative Crossroads, Ricochet.
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  Speaker 1: Joined the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite anecdotes sort of along these lines
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  Speaker 2: of like when you do pit a man and a
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  Speaker 2: woman or a girl and a boy, against each other.
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  Speaker 2: Was the Olympic winning women's soccer team led by Megan Rapino,
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  Speaker 2: and she now she defends Yo trans. Meanwhile, five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Olympic team competed against a JV boys
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  Speaker 2: team in Dallas, almost certain it was Dallas, and the
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  Speaker 2: boys beat the Olympic girl team five to two. A
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  Speaker 2: JV boys team beat the Olympian girls. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's just like when Megan goes on the view, which
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  Speaker 2: she did like a week or two ago, and she, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's so ridiculous. I'm like, you were beat by a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of preteen boys. Maybe they're fourteen, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but they certainly weren't seventeen eighteen. And for you to
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  Speaker 2: stand up there, part of me wonders when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to someone like Megan Rapno, like, do you just want
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  Speaker 2: to close the door behind you? You want to be
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  Speaker 2: the last female successful sports player and you want no
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  Speaker 2: one to come behind you, because that's essentially what she's advocating. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, It makes no sense. I mean that similar experience.
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  Speaker 2: I played basketball in college and we would practice against
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  Speaker 2: a practice squad of boys who.
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  Speaker 1: Were not on the men's basketball team. Would have never
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  Speaker 1: made it. But they were you know, athletic eighteen nineteen
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  Speaker 1: twenty year old boys who would like crush us if
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  Speaker 1: they were actually a team, and it was you know
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  Speaker 1: that there are biological differences which all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: are completely out the window.
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  Speaker 2: In this house, we believe in science, right right, We
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  Speaker 2: trust the experts. Yeah, Like, what are these people like?
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  Speaker 2: That's something that kills me, is like, it's the same
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  Speaker 2: people that say, in this house, we believe in science,
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  Speaker 2: except we don't believe in genetics or biology or anatomy,
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  Speaker 2: like all of those sciences we don't believe in. But
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  Speaker 2: and this is actually a good segwig. They do believe
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  Speaker 2: in climate science. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We've actually done a handful of reports recently on
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: groups such as Our Children's Trust who have injected all
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of this climate hysteria into curriculum in classrooms, and we've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: actually been able to see it drawn out. There was
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a survey when Kamala Harris was running for president against
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: President Trump where and she cited this, and I believe
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it was one of the debates where she said one
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of the number one causes of the birth recession that
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we're seeing now is people are blaming it on climate change.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And that is a direct result of what we are teaching,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you know, gen Z and those coming up behind them
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: about the fear for what we're quote doing to the planet.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And they have even this group, specifically our Children's Trust,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: has even gone so far as to sign on minors
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: child plaintiffs to lawsuits against counties, town's governments for you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: their practices to try and interject kids into this and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like use them for their own political purposes. And these
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: are things that are happening in public schools that it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: being taught, and they're recruiting kids out of the public
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: school system to sign on as plaintiffs. It's insane.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I wrote about this in Stolen Youth, also, the climate
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: hysteria and the anxiety that it's breeding in kids. And
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: so I was before we started recording. I told you
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: about my day today. We went to the Museum of
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the Bible, and we went to the Air and Space Museum.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yesterday we went to the aquarium and that's why my
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: three year old was so tired today. And we walked
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: up to one of the one of the exhibits and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: there was a young woman there talking to my kids
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and I we homeschool, and so like any of the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: climate hystori books get pulled out of the box sets,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Like I really do take a lot of care to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: not inform my children that the world is ending, because
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: it's I don't think that it is ending. I think
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that we're going to be just fine. But the ubiquity
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of this messaging is unavoidable. And so at the aquarium,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: this woman starts telling my kids about how the animal
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that they're standing in front of is going extinct and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: how they should contact their representatives about anti poaching laws.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, thank you so much, we're
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: going to move on, bute bye. And it's it's so
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: frustrating as a parent because like I have to pull
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the books out of the box sets, I have to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: pre screen anything that is science and weather related them
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: At museums and zoos, all of the placards, like a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: third of the placards in some of these museums are
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: about climate change. And yesterday it was a new experience.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, now someone's standing there talking to my
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: children about this, Like it's just unavoidable and it comes
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: from all ends. And like my oldest daughter is almost thirteen,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and she jokes about it. She's like, oh, mom, if
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I don't refill my water bottle, all the penguins are
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: going to die. And I'm like, I'm glad that you
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: think this is funny, but like, for a lot of kids,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: this is terrifying stuff.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely. I remember when we were looking for someone
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to help us with childcare and I had asked her,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know, if she you know, clearly she likes kids,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she wants to babysit. And we had asked her, are
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you interested in having kids of your own someday? Now
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I have four, and she goes, yes, but I think
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: probably only one or two, because otherwise it's bad for
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the environment. Like, first of all, read your audience. But
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: second of all, like she said it with pure intention
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and a complete straight face, and it just really hit
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: me that, like, that is what this generation absolutely believes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And you know, if we don't reverse course on that,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it's our I mean, our population is going to go
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: downhill real fast.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: This is this was the whole premise of a book
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that came out in the seventies and eighties. It was
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: called The Population Bomb. It was like a nineteen sixty
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: eight best selling book by a biologist, Paul earlric and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he predicted that rapid global population would lead to like
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: worldwide famines and societal collapse, and people had fewer kids
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: as a result in the late sixties and early nineteen seventies.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And there was an incredible, very very very or letter
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: that appeared years and years ago in the Wall Street Journal.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It was a man who said I didn't have children
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: because I believed him, and it detroyed. It destroyed my life,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Like all my all my friends are grandparents now and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it's just he ruined my life.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: That's awful.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that there's entire an entire generation
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of kids who don't want to have children, and they
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and they unfortunately, I think it's a self perpetuating cycle
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: of you know, fewer and fewer people are having children,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and so I didn't. I didn't really grow up with
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: around kids. I'm an only child. I didn't think I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to have kids until my cousin had kids, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, those are actually kind of nice,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and like, yeah, it's no good and they're cute maybe,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But when you don't grow up around kids and you
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: don't have you know, the familiarity and I think that
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that's going to happen on like a global population style
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of well, you know, these kids are gonna be scared
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and they're not going to have the like white pill,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I guess experience of being around kids, and as a result,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: like I think we're only seeing the tip of the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: iceberg on the population collapse.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also for us, there was the whole
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: beginning of the girl boss movement of get your education,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: establish your career before you even think about getting married
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and having kids, and so so many of us, myself included,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I bought into that had kids later. I didn't have
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: my first until I was thirty twenty Nope, I had
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: just turned thirty when she was born.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And that's still young by these standards, honestly.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, my husband and I joke all
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the time like we've got four and how many more
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: would we have had if we started at twenty four
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to twenty five? And so if you couple that with
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: then what we're seeing with climate hysteria, sterilization from this
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: gender identity stuff, medicalizing kids starting at three, four and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: five years old, those three things combined are going to
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: have and to your point, already are having a significant effect,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: just a pop from the population perspective the future of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this country.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And it's so funny because if I, as a conservative
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: person who talks about you know, parenting and everything, if
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I came out and said, I think that everyone with
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: mental health issues should be should be sterilized against their
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: will and unknowingly, can you imagine the bomb that would
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: go off in like pop culture, this conservative woman wants
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to sterilize them, Like, but that's what you're doing. You
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: by by subjecting all of these people to gender identity
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: affirming treatments, you are sterilizing children who have who are gay,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and who have mental health issues often like often it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: like a combination of gay, mental health and autism, those
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: three things you are sterilizing. And if I, as a conservative,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: said I think that we should forcibly sterilize those three populations,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: that would be unfathomable the level of for their bomb
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: that would go off. But they're doing it, and they're
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: doing that unapologetically, and me, as a conservative, I'm sitting
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: over here, I'm like, y'all, this is like unbelievable levels
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of malpractice, and they just like there's no there. I mean,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I think one day, there will be a reckoning, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: it's unfortunately it's going to come on the hands of
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: these kids.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're absolutely well be It's also so important and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: this is more just a broader thing to think about
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for your audience, that we don't shy away from these
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: conversations with friends who may feel differently than us, because
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I use this one example with my friend could not
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: be more unaligned politically. I mean, she's about as far
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: left as they come and I am not. And we
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: don't agree on much in that lane except for that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: we both love our kids. We lived on the same
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: street and you know, we're part of a mom's group together.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And she came to our you know, normal meet up
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: us one night and she was like, I cannot believe
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I had my son at preschool today and they gave
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: him taileanol because he had a fever. And they had
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: called me and left a message to see if I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to or not. I didn't get back to them,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and they gave him tilan al and I could not
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: believe they gave him something without telling me about it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, him, You're so
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: glad you said that. You are right, because they no
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: one should ever be providing medical advice for crea actually
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a treatment without you being not only involved, but consenting
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to that. And so when we have these conversations with
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: our peers and our friends as people and don't look
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: at it politically and let these examples in real life
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, be the catalyst for that. I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: think you can be surprised how much more common ground
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there actually is when you take the jersey off and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: just have those conversations.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And I think that they don't realize, like in theory,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: gender affirming sounds really nice, right, Like yeah, and if
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: something if my kid, one of my six, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: decide like they would not find a supportive parent, they
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: decided they were the wrong gender. And so a lot
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of these people see these issues and they're like, well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: we're just affirming their identity even in the wake of
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: like bigoted parents. But the reality is, if my child
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: has decided they are a different gender, it's because there's
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: something going on that I need to be that. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: need to be aware of the number of stories because
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I wrote a book about this, I hear them, people
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: send me messages all the time. The number of stories
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: where they were secretly affirmed at a school, or I
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: mean it's almost always a school, and then the kid
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: ends up suicidal and the parents never have idea, They
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: had no idea that there was something like catastrophically wrong
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: emotionally with their child until it was like at the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: too late point. And when you withhold that information from
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a parent, the parent is going to be the one
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: that's paying the funeral home. And the kid commits suicide
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and all of these all these affirming people, they're out
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the window. The second it hits the fan, they're out
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: the window. And it's the parents who have to pick
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: up the pieces. And it's a lot easier to pick
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: up the pieces when they're big, but when you shatter
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: it and there's tiny, tiny shards everywhere. This is, I mean,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: this is the consequence of withholding that information. And when
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you kind of explain that to people, like it's gender
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: identity confusing. Never happens in a vacuum. It's not just
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that one thing. It comes with bipolar, it comes with depression,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it comes with anxiety, like the parents need to have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a full picture, and you certainly should not be including
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: hormones into this very volatile situation and physical mutilation into
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: this very volatile situation, and that's what's going on, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's when people understand that it's not just like
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: gender affirming and everyone's nice and accepting, like, it's not nice,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it's not accepting. It's quite the opposite. And when people
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: get past the nice, little like label that they put
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: on gender affirming and they understand what it actually is
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and what it could be repressing, then they're like, oh, oh,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good idea, like hmm, yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And it's the timinal example.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And it's also quite obviously the complete opposite of gender
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: affirming because you know, like obviously, if you were affirming
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the child's gender, you would be giving estrogen to a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: girl and helping them deal, you know, which is why
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the medical consensus was and is now coming back to,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: at least in Europe, go through puberty first, yep. And
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an it's it's an insane thing.
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• 31:02
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  Speaker 2: So, I think the most eye opening thing for people
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: is when they see the stories themselves of, like, okay,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: let's let's see this through to the logical conclusion the most.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I think the most famous example is Jazz Jennings, the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: young boy who's was put through all of the gender everything,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and he he had his penis removed, he was put
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: on hormones, all these things, and he was literally the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: poster child for this. He had it, he had a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: show on those magazines whatever, and now you look at
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: what he is now, and it's so sad. First of all,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: like the physical the descriptions that I've heard of what
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: this surgery did to him physically, I will I can't
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: even verbalize it, like people should go and google, like
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: what his entire situation is now. It's life threatening, it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: incredibly pain. It's life Let me let me explain that part.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It's life threatening because it's an it's an open wound.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: They've created an open wound to mimic a female anatomy,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: and an open wound is susceptible to infection, and so
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: this young man will certainly die of an infection at
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: some point in his life that was completely preventable and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: caused by this gender affirming surgery. He's an incredible amount
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: of pain, mutilated beyond like it's disgusting and mentally and emotionally,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: he is dealing with severe depression, severe anxiety, and large
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: part probably because of everything that's been done to him,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He's gained a significant amount of weight because of all
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the depression. Like it's just it's spiraled into a perfect storm,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and it's it's all at the hands of his parents,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Like his parents have destroyed his life and ripped apart
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: his future and what they got like a show on
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a network on it's crazy that if that's the poster child, Like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: let him keep talking forever about what his life is like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: because that is so instructive of what this ideal, what
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the end game of this ideology is.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: We also did a report recently on the American Academy
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of Pediatrics and some of their the guidance that they
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: give obviously on both quote gender affirming care, but also
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like reproductive health. And this may or not come as
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a surprise to some, but they actually counsel their providers
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to tell their patients that in conversations they have in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: their office that none of that none of what's shared
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: will be will be shared with their parents, and also
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: that they will write prescriptions for things like birth control whatever,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: again without talking to the parents to provide this, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: quote safe space for these kids to share. And they
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: even have training videos on their website where they their
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: role playing this and they show this team sitting at
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the table who identifies I may butcher this but as
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: like a demi boy, what you know something or other
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And the provider then walks him or her through whatever's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: going on and assures them they're not going to share
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: any of this with their parents. So we actually have
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a resource coming out in the next couple of days
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: for you to be able to walk through these types
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of questions with their with your own pediatrician and make
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: sure that they're not going to be counseling your child.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Here's my follow up question. My oldest is almost thirteen.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I don't do I have to walk out of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: room because I have no intention of doing so. You
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: don't have to no, right, yeah, like you try to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: make me walk out of the room.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: They handed her once a form pretty recently at like
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: one of her more recent well visits. And my friend
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Abigail Schreier wrote this incredible book Bad Therapy, which I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm not just saying this because she's my friend,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and I feel very lucky that I can call her
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: that because I feel like I got in on the
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: on the ground floor of Abigail Schreyer before she was
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Abigail Schreyer. But she wrote Bad Therapy, and she wrote
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: about her son went to urgent care for like an
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: upset stomach or something, and the Bonker's questionnaire they gave
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: him terrified her and it introduces thoughts in your brain
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that didn't always exist, and so I was thinking of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that and they handed her the form directly and I
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: like yanked yep as they were handing it in the air,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'll take that. And I looked
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: at it and it was all these questions, do you
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: think about killing yourself? Do you think about self?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Her?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, she will not be filling this out,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And it felt like it was my first test in
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a medical setting with an older child, and I was like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: very part of myself that I've won the test, but
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I was I've been thinking for the last year, like
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: they're going to tell me to leave, probably at her
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: thirteen year old appointment. No, not doing and I trust her,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: like she will come out and like the only thing
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I don't trust her about is she'll come out and
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: be like they asked really dumb questions and she'll say
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: that like in earshot, yeah yeah, yeah, sure, But I
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: mean I have a friend who She did leave the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: room at Walter Reid, which is the military hospital, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: she ended up talking to National Review and it was
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a whole story because they were asking at Walter Reid,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you know who do you want to have sex with
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to her fourteen year old son, who is an Orthodox Jew,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and he was like what, yeah, what, and they were
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like they pushed him, like do you want to have
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: sex with a man? Do you want to have sex
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: with a woman? And he's like, I just want to
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: play basketball.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I'm here from a sports physical yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But this is like, it's wild to me that professionals
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: do this, because you know that telling talking to children
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: behind their parents back about sexual stuff and instructing them
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to keep it secret from their parents is like you're
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you're I'm not accusing them of grooming children for sexual abuse,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: but you are priming something, criming someone for sexual abuse
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: for this child because you're normalizing the idea that an
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: adult can talk to a child about sex secretly and
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: tell them not to tell their parents. There is there's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: no limiting principle once you introduce that as a person
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: in authority, for.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Sure, and you're also you know it's I think we're
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: going to hopefully see at some point soon the same
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: opening in the medical community that we're seeing via the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: WNBA with Sophie Cunningham, because I think as soon as
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: one physician has the balls to come forward and say
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: we should not be doing this, then we'll get a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: handful of others who follow. But until that happens, I mean,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: we're just going to continue to see more of this
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: because I do think it is coming at an institutional
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: level rather than the provider level. You have groups like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the AAP who are pushing this down onto their members
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and this is part of what we have to say
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and what we're going to do, And in fact, the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: AAP at their annual Board meeting five, they voted ninety
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: five percent to affirm gender affirm and care is their
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: number one priority for the coming year. I mean, they
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: have got this into this hook line and sinker, which
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: makes me think that there has to be some sort
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of underlying financial motive here, because when you step back
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and look at it, who stands to benefit the most
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: from having these patients for life? It's the medical community,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: pharma exactly, these hospital systems, insurance companies, and that's This
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: is another place where I really try and like pull
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: my liberal friends in because it used to be, you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the sexy thing for the liberals to hate on the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: pharma companies, like oh, farmer, this farm of that, And
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, remember how much you hated them. Here's another
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: example of why we hate them.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, it reminds me of the painkillers
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: when when they My father was a drug addict and
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: he was prescribed opioids and he was told, you can't
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: get hooked on this, and I was I was a teenager,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and I was like, Daddy, that doesn't make sense, Like
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: this is an opiate. Of course you could get addicted
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: because you've already been addicted, and fast forward he became
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: addicted and he ended up committing suicide and it's oh geez,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it's all It's all connected, and it's it's like, how
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: many times do you have to lie? It's the it's
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that famous saying like fool me wants shame on you
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: for me twice, shame on me, Like I don't believe you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And today we were taping this on Monday, August tenth.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It will come out probably in a couple of days.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: We learned today that Anthony Fauci and Welinsky were lying
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: about the fact that the COVID shot caused miscarriages in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: eighty two percent of women who were pregnant in their
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: first trimester. That's an abortion.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one hits me so close to home because
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: at that time I was pregnant with my second too,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and they were pressuring me, like you need to get this,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you need to get this, and I was like, I'll
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: do it once he's once he's here, Like I'll do
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it once he's here. Let me just get through the birth.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And you know, they were still testing everybody at that time. Anyway,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I had to give birth in a mask. But anyway,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, it just and women had no idea. Yep,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the doctors are telling them.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I was pregnant with my fifth, and I knew a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: lot of women who had miscarriages in their first timester
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: because right like two days after they got the shot,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like a lot of women. And I was really conflicted
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: because one of my best friends she got COVID when
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: she was twenty four weeks pregnant and was on eventI
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: later for twelve days and was within inches of death
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: and so scary. It was really scary. And like all
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of our kids are best friends, like her oldest son
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: is best friends with my oldest son, like she they
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: had four children at the time she was pregnant. She
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: was pregnant with her fourth, and all four of our
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: kids aligne in age, and so we were both pregnant
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: with I was pregnant with my fifth. She was pregnant
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: with her fourth, and I was like juggling this in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: my head, like I don't feel comfortable getting it my
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: first trimester, because everyone I know has a miscarriage when
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: they get it their first trimester. But I'm really scared
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: about getting it when I'm pregnant because she almost strayed,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and so I ended up waiting and waiting, waiting, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I just like secluded myself all of my first trimester,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and I waited pretty far into my second and I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't getting pressure. Actually, my medical provider was not pressuring
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: me in the least. And she was very open about
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that, like she's like, I don't it really
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: could go either way, Like I understand why you would
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: want it and why you wouldn't want it. And she
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: never she never put her finger on the scale, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I deeply appreciate that, and I respect her a great
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: deal for so many other things, especially how she behaved
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: during COVID because she had colleagues that wouldn't even see
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: patients in person, and when you're a medical provider, that's
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: not like.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Important, that's not okay.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: But I ended up getting it like towards the end
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: of my second trimester, and oh would I wouldn't make
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: that choice again. But it was such a hard choice.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: No nobody knew.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Nobody knew there was such a hard time.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Well that's actually not true. Apparently they knew. Yes, we
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: didn't know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. And so I mean, I was saying
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: this so much during the pandemic, like the amount of
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: trust that you people are killing in the science quote unquote,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you don't get this back. Like I. I'm frustrated with
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: myself because I called BS on everything during COVID, like
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the masks and every I had it all pegged, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I got canceled about it. In May of twenty twenty.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: There were family members that wouldn't see us because we
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: weren't careful enough. And I wish I had been red
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: pilled enough to distrust the shot as much as I
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: distrusted everything else that came from the same people. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: made a mistake. Thank God my son didn't pay for
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: it with his life, but a lot of women that's
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: what happened. And I think, like I think it's important
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to give grace to those women because for sure they
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: went through something horrible and now six years later, five
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and a half years later, they're thinking, oh my god.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine reading that today having had a miscarriage
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in that period. There has to be a class action lawsuit,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I feel can be or no, it's a vaccine, I do,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Is there any recourse?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: There's nothing. There's no recourse.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Even if it's public.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Someone on the state level could see Fauci I was
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: reading that today, like on a state by state basis,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: they could like bring civil suits basically. So I want
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: to ask you this like piece of advice, and I'm
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: curious your thoughts. I have a number of liberal friends
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: who were like very bought into the pandemic and everything,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like they got like sixteen hundred boosters. And I have
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend who did have a miscarriage after right after
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: she got the shot, and it was late, it was
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: like twelve weeks, and I when she told me about it,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that was the that was the shot.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Do I say anything to her now, Like I don't
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: want to be like, you know, dancing on that, Like
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not in I told you so person
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: at all, especially on something this horrifying. Yeah, but like
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: do I want to reach out and be like this
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: could be a mind mess for you right now, like
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: hopefully you're okay, But I don't want to be seen
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: as gloating, because that's a horrible thing I would never do. Yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: maybe she would resent. I don't. I don't know if
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I should say anything. I'm leaning towards no.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You did talk to her at the time, and you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: said not.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: To so I decided not to. At the time, I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: remember her telling me she got the shot and I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, girl, I wouldn't have done that. And
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: then she had a miscarriage like two days later, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I never said anything. But now I'm thinking, like, what
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: should I like to validate feelings that she might be
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: having right now of like regret and sadness and anger.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's not having any of those. Maybe I'm you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I'm reading into it too much, But like, should I
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: reach out to her and say, like, hey, girl, thinking
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of you?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I probably, I guess it depends on how close you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: are with her. I probably would if it's still someone
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I talked to, you know, on a monthly, weekly basis,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but it's someone who's more on a peripheral than Probably
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: not if that's like the first time she's heard from
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: me in six months.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It's also like it's such an interesting way that we
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: all live our lives that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: She may not know this, Like, yeah, that's true.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: That an information ecosystem where she doesn't hear this. Yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that's the crazy thing about it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Even thought of that. Yeah, or it's already spun by
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the time it gets to her, and then she does
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: resent you when you say something, that's it. That's it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to someone and they're like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: why are they being so mean to Fauci like two
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: weeks ago? And I was like, well, did you hear
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: what he said? Did you hear what the uncovered, like the.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Journals were really really damn itard And she's like.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear. I just heard that they were
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: mean to him, And I was like, oh, you should
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: read about what he was writing. Yeah, this is the ecosystems,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: this is the media ecosystems. The only thing she heard
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: was that Ran Paul he's a meanie.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Like social media has been both the best and worst
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: at the same time for public discourse. I mean, it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it's really great to break that fourth wall, but then
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's so easy exactly what you're
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: saying to become so siloed in you know, your four
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: or five organizations, which I know it's like a silly
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: thing to say to get out and touch grass, but
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it is so important to have friends and acquaintances to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the extent that they will still befriend you from different
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: different viewpoints, because otherwise, like you don't hear it either, yep.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because like I live in Montgomery County, Maryland.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get more liberal than here. And I listen
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: to NPR because I listen to the classical station a lot,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: which I recommend because it makes you feel like you're
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in a drama all the time. I'm like, something dramatic
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: is going to happen right now because I'm listening to
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: classical music while I'm driving. But I as a result,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I hear the NPR news breaks, and so I hear
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the other side very frequently. They never turned into the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They're never forced to like just sit through someone talking
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: at them with conservative talking points. I mean, I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it makes our side much better because yeah, we hear
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: it and they don't, and so they're I.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Think we're seeing that big time now on the on
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the blowback of all things woke, because they're having to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: defend things that have they've never had to defend before.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And the back to the WNBA, it's the perfect example.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you have these two or three men who
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: have now said, okay, fine, then I declare my eligibility
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: for the draft, and the w NBA has to call
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: this emergency meeting because they've never been called on it,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh no, now we have to actually
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: define what a woman is. Yes, and you know, here's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Matt Walsh's movie.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, Matt Walls should try out for the w NBA, honestly,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: but it was so fun to watch Matt Walsh with
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: his full beer. It would be amazing and he would like,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I think that he should like really go all in
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and like where like a tight a tight uniform and
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: like but we're fully yeah, it'd be really fun. All right,
• 49:04
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• 49:06
  Speaker 2: so much for coming on. This was a lovely conversation
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and I deeply resented I only had seven minutes with
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: you last week, so I'm so glad that we expanded this.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me.
• 49:16
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• 49:19
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• 49:21
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• 49:23
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