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Darshan Shah, MD is a Renowned Surgeon, Published Author, Tech Entrepreneur · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Oh.
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I always say this every day every time we have a podcast, I always
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have such a special guest. But today I have a very very very special
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guest, and his name is doctor Darshan Shah s h a H. For
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those of you who want to write this down. He'll also be on our
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on our website and our YouTube channel, as well as all the podcast distribution
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sites, so you will definitely be able to listen and hear view this podcast
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in multiple places. So welcome doctor Shaw. I'm so happy to have you
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here today. Thank you, Michelle. It's such an honor to be here
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and I really appreciate you doing this with me. Well, thank you.
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So let me just tell everybody a little bit about you and then you can
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take over. So when I say a very very very special guest, I
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mean that doctor Shaw has been one of the youngest doctors. He started practicing
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medicine at he was aged twenty one, graduated from the University of Missouri in
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Kansas City right correct, and then went on to the Mayo Clinic. He
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got his medical degree and practice at the Mayo Clinic. Was both a regular
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surgeon and a cosmetic surgeon, and then went on to did you went to
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Harvard too, Right? Yeah, I did Harvard Business School and Mayo Clinic.
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I did mostly reconstructive surgery. Actually, we were operating on mainly people
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with cancer that needed have reconstruction and people with major injuries. So I did
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a lot of that for a while. And I also, yes, you're
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right, I went to Harvard Business School as well later in life to learn
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more about business. Right. So, doctor Shaw is one of those rare
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doctors who is a businessman, entrepreneur, technical, technically savvy, obviously having
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learned quite a bit of that side of the world business world at Harvard.
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So you have a very unique background. You know. They say most doctors,
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I don't mean to demean doctors, but they say most doctors are not
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very good business people. And you are one of those exceptions. And that
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leads me to the next chapter, which is doctor Shaw has started, conceived
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of, and started as the CEO of a company called Next Health and ext
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Health, and their offices their clinics are in mostly Southern cal right now,
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but they are in New York City and they're expanding to Dubai and there are
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many many more sites that are on their calendar to expansion going forward. But
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right now, Studio City, Century City, West Hollywood are the three.
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And doctor Shaw is headquartered in beautiful Malibu, so he's got it all wrapped
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up here. So let's let's talk a little bit about Next Tells. But
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I want before we get to discussing Next Seals, I just want people to
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understand what inspired you to go from being as you call a recovering plastic surgeon
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to becoming a CEO of a startup company that's expanding rapidly. So could you
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just give us a little history, Darshaan, of why and how you became
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so passionate about doing Next Tells. Yes, So it really just came from
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my own personal health struggles, Michelle. So what happened was being a surgeon,
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a plastic surgeon, and I'm also running the business of plastic surgery.
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I had multiple surgery set, many doctors working at our surgery centers. I
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had over a hundred employees. I was working in the business and working on
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the business, and what I mean by that is I was working twelve hour
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days and then I was working another four to six hours running this business.
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As well after I got out of the operating room. And what happened was
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I became last priority in my list of priorities, and I became very sick.
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I was very overweight, I was not sleeping well, I was not
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eating good, and I was on three different blood pressure medications. I was
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pretty diabetic. And then I was also having autoimmune issues as well. And
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what happened was I decided at that point in my life that I didn't make
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a major change because I was only in my early forties and so sick that,
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you know, looking at the actuarial tables like I wasn't going to survive
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more than twenty years, and I said, this is not acceptable. And
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what I did was, at that point in times, I took a little
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break from my day job. I hired someone to run the business and also
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people to take over the surgeries, and I went from seven days a week
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of working down to two or three days a week of working. And I
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used that spare time to learn about how to get myself healthy. And what
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I did was I went to every course I could find Michelle. I became
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a certified personal trainer, I became a nutritionist, I learned functional medicine by
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going to functional medicine courses and really was able to get myself healthy pretty rapidly.
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Actually, in like eight or nine months, I was able to completely
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turn around my health, lose a lot of weight, get off my medications,
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and just feel so much better, have that vitality back again, the
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energy back, etc. And while I was doing this journey on myself,
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I was giving my patients the same advice and I noticed them making huge changes
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in their personal health as well, and I thought to myself, you know,
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this is so inspiring for me to be able to get people healthy,
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much more inspiring than even doing surgery, where you know, surgery was super
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inspiring and a lot of fun. I still love doing surgery because you're change
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people's life, and surgery as well, but this was changing people's life at
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the core, helping them to live longer, helping them feel incredible, helping
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them to get on with having a more robust life. And so I really
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decided that point in time to go to Harvard Business School, learn more about
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business and start a new business, which is Next Health. And what we
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did with Next Health was I was frustrated because you know, many doctors don't
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have the mentality of a functional medicine doctor, and many doctors don't have the
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time to spend with their patients to be truly proactive, to really dive deep
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in their health on sleep and nutrition and gut health and all these things that
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we talked about and I wanted to. And I was also running all over
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town doing all the different therapies. I was getting my hormones from one doctor
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in town. I was going for cryotherapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy in two different
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places. I was getting IVS and so all these things. Was so discombobulated
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in my life, and it would take me literally, you know, all
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day to go between all my different appointments. And I said, you know
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what, I'm going to do this all myself in one place. I'm going
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to bring everything together, the testing that we do for functional medicine, the
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in depth consultations and advice that we like to give to our patients to really
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turn their health around, bringing proactive and preventative, and then lastly, all
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the technology you need, all under one roof. And so that's when we
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started next Health about eight years ago, and we've been growing since then to
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multiple locations. Like you mentioned, Michelle and we're soon going to be international.
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We have locations opening all over the world because I think what we put
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together really speaks to people and really helps people. I can't tell you the
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number of lives that we've changed and saved, and it's I think we have
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a pretty good model and it just needs to happen. So what is the
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structure of Next Seals? I saw on your website that you offer franchise opportunity.
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So just for people who might be listening reviewing today who have a real
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passion about doing this like you did, is there an opportunity for them to
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be part of Next House as a franchise see? Yes, absolutely. So
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you know, we have six corporate locations like you mentioned in southern California,
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New York, and we decided about a year ago that we would start franchising,
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just because my whole goal is to distribute this knowledge and this technology as
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far as we can and make it as accessible to normal people, you know,
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like people that aren't billionaires from selling their company, you know. And
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so I really want to create a platform that's international, that in national,
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that people can go in their hometown and do this stuff because it really does
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make a difference. And so we decided, like I said, about a
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year ago to franchise, and about three months ago we started offering the franchises.
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And we have about fifty different franchise locations opening right now in the next
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year, and we have probably another one hundred and fifty territory still. And
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so if anyone's interested and they have a passion for this and they have the
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wherewithal to start a business in their community, we're happy to talk to them.
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So what just curious for financial aspect of this, what would it cost
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for someone to become a franch I see at the outset. Usually to open
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one of these locations, you have to get the equipment and the build out
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the location is somewhere around a million dollars or so to do that, and
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a lot of this can be financed or through tenant improvements that landlords give you,
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and then you have to have a few months of kind of runway to
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get to the point of profitability with your centers. So that's kind of around
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where you want to be somewhere between one to two million dollars in funds per
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location. And what are the qualifications that you have to have to be a
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French I see and be accepted by your company. Yeah, we like for
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our franchisees either to have had a franchise business in the past or be backed
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by someone who's had a franchise business in the past, because it is kind
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of a different model, and so you have to be able to really understand
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what it means to be a franchise. And then also we provide physicians for
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people as well, So we train and provide the physicians in your local community.
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But if you have a relationship with a physician that is functional medicine trained,
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that's also helpful. But we can provide that as well. So if
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someone wants to apply, do they send a letter to you or how would
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they get the door to open for them? Yeah, if you go to
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a website next dashealth dot com, there's a button at the bottom of the
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As you know, there have been many, many great successes and extremely obvious
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failures because it all comes down to people and the structure and the success of
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the parent company of course, So how do you go about vetting a franchise,
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potential franchise to ensure or that you're going to have success. We have
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a very good and experienced franchise team that has been doing this for years,
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and so they we have you come out and we call them discovery days and
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we you meet with us face to face. We make sure you understand every
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aspect of the business. And during that time we also make sure that we
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really feel comfortable that you'll be able to do this with us, and so,
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you know, take a certain amount of passion, takes a certain amount
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of experience and knowledge to do this, and I think we've been very successful
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in finding our franchisees so far, and you know, unfortunately we have to
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say no to a lot of people as well, so we're very selective because
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you're right, we do want to make sure all of our franchisees are extremely
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successful and they must have a medical doctor right that it's either either someone that
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they are in partnership with or someone that you would provide as a location sensitive
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physician obviously in the location of the franchisee. So that in itself a huge
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hurdle to get the medical side of the equation set for the development of a
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real franchise. No. I mean, you know, we've had a lot
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of doctors that are extremely passionate about this field, and they, like you
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know you said, unfortunately, a lot of doctors are very busy. They
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don't have necessarily the business knowledge to do a business, and so doctors are
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looking for something like this, especially the functional medicine trained doctors and the anti
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aging doctors. They want to find a business that they can call home.
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And you know, we have hundreds of doctors that have reached out to us
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to do this, and is this partnering with the right person that can build
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out the location and get the equipment and get the staff and manage all of
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that. Those are the kind of things that doctors really don't have the time
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to do or necessarily the experience to do. So I think it's great on
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both ends that it's a medical business you do need a physician there, but
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also for the physicians, they appreciate the opportunity to work with an experienced operator
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as well. Yeah, so it's a combination of your skills from you know,
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being a medical doctor first and then a businessman second. And you know,
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you found your path and hey, you know, that's kudos to you,
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really, because so many people flounder in their journey. You know,
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they they're medical doctors and they're frustrated with the system and they don't know how
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to get out and or to change their life. And you you took you
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know, bold steps. So you know that entrepreneurial part of your DNA is
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obviously very very strong, and you have shown and demonstrated through what you've done
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that you know, this is really something that that's deep inside of you.
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So congratulations on that. I know it's still a work in progress, and
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any startup is always, you know, a big risk, and obviously you're
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putting so much of yourself into that, so uh, congratulations. So let's
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let segue to what happens when a client or a so called patient wants to
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utilize your services. So let's just pretend to hypothetically that a person is stating
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they want to be more aware of what you do. So they walk in
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the door. If you wanted your locations, what happens? Yeah, no,
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that So, first of all, our locations are made to be the
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one eighty degree opposite of what a typical doctor's office experience is like. So
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all of our locations are beautiful, big locations with a lot of with a
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lot of light and a lot of high ceilings, and you're immediately greeted by
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our reception and it's a big open space. You can see everything that we're
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doing at this space in the front and in the back is where we have
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our medical offices. And so say you walk in, the first thing that
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we would do is we would offer you the ability to do some testing.
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We have biomarker tests, blood test, genetic tests. We also have specialized
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equipment that we can do some testing to really get a good look under the
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hood of your biology to see what's going on. We have different levels of
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testing of course that we can that we can provide. And then once you're
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done with the testing, we will also schedule you a visit with one of
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our providers or physicians on site, and so usually that that visit happens two
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weeks after you come in from getting your testing in the first place. Just
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gives us some time to get your laboratory work back and the results back and
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formulate a plan for you in the meanwhile. However, like I mentioned,
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we do have all the technology in the space as well, so we have
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the potential for doing IVY therapy and a D therapy. We can also do
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hyperbaric oxygen therapy, cryotherapy, SAWNET therapy, l D therapy. We have
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all the technology there that you can start using while you're waiting for your blood
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work to come back, and most people do. They'll do an hour two
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in our location go through everything I called the longevity circuit, all the equipment
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there to do the long to improve your longevity. And then once you sit
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down with our provider, our physician, we will create what's called the health
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optimization plan for you, and this is on twelve aspects of your health.
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I have a model called the Wellness Wheel that we use and we sit down
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and we explain to you what this is. And the Wellness Wheel is the
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twelve aspects of your health that we're going to modify and pause big changes in
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over the course of your relationship with us. And so we have a membership
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model where you become a member for a year and during that year, we'll
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take you through all twelve aspects of your health, really optimizing every aspect and
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you'll be utilizing our technology on site. And so what are those twelve aspects
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of your health? Yeah, so basically the way it works. As we
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start off, we always start off that we have four goals for all of
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our patients. First goals, you want you to get your basics right.
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The basics are of course nutrition, sleep, and exercise right exercise slash movement.
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So those are the first three aspects. Once you've got the basics right,
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we want to attack the four major causes of chronic disease and death in
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the Western world. So those are party of ascar disease, neurodegender disease like
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Alzheimer's disease, and then cancer and then finally metabolic disease. Right, so
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those are the four things that we want to make sure that not only do
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we know your particular risk for these, but we have all the tools necessary
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to diagnose these diseases at the very beginning, so's you'd have time to turn
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these things around. Right, I would say cancer as big as enemies as
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being diagnosed as stage one. We want to make sure that all these diseases
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we diagnose you as stage one so you don't die from these diseases like most
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of the Western world is. Once we've eliminated those four major causes of death,
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then we can really get into the nitty gridy of optimizing your health.
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And so those categories in the wellness wheel are your hormonal health or your gut
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health to detoxify your life and reduce inflammation. And then also we talk about
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emotional health at that point in time, emotional and mental health. And then
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finally, once we have all that kind of set then we can start talking
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about some of the advanced longevity treatments that are out there now, things like
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therapeutic plasm exchange, stem cell therapy, exosomes, ozone, all peptides.
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These are the kind of things that we ensure introducing people to. Once we
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get to the point where we have your life kind of optimized from the health
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aspect, what time frame does it take normally to educate people for you know,
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a whole world of possibilities that has never been presented to them. So
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that's one of your biggest challenges really is education. So absolutely, what would
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you say is you know, as a reasonable time frame for a person coming
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in cold who has issues. Everybody has some issues and that they want to
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improve, So what would you say is your education protocol? Yeah? Basically,
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yeah, we go through the wellness wheel. Like I discussed with you,
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it usually takes us about three to six months to really address most of
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it and all of it, and for the next six months we're refining all
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of it. And during this entire time, we're checking more tests to make
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sure that we're actually causing a difference. I'll give you like a perfect example.
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One thing is a lot of people are at high risk for metabolic disease,
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and as you know, metabolic disease includes things like diabetes, non alcoholic
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fatty liver disease, obesity, etc. And what we do with a lot
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of our patients is we start educating them on nutrition on day one, right,
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but we also use some advanced technologies such as a continuous glucose monitor for
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example, and then they start learning about how their glucose needs to be glucose
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flat curve needs to be flat, they need to avoid glucose spike. They
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learned that over six to eight weeks. It doesn't happen like instantaneously, right,
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So it's a constant education process for the first six months or so,
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but people start getting into a routine, they start getting used to it.
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They're tracking their sleep, they're tracking their glucose, etc. And then usually
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by six months people are feeling a lot better. So are you finding that
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most people do want to join for like a club membership for a year to
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give this whole thing a chance to work. Is that what your primary protocol
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is going to be for anyone coming in, even though they may want to
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try the equipment the first day or two while they're doing blood work, but
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it is the best option is to join for a year. The best,
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I would say the best is a joint for a year. We also have
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many people that fly in from all over the world to take part of our
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services. And just because you can't use the equipment on site doesn't mean we
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can't still modify your health. A lot of what we do can be done
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remotely and so we have the ability, of course to meet with people via
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Zoom and we do that in a quarterly basis as well. So whether or
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not you're coming in every week or you're doing a zoom with us every quarter,
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we do recommend a year because it really takes that long to make a
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full effect in your health. So what's the difference in the prep versus league
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our la carte in terms of cost? You know, it's different for the
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different packages that we have available. So say you want just a functional medicine
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testing right, So say you want all the functional medicine sting, you want
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to know your results, and you just want you just want that. That's
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would be considered an ala cart what we call our total Wellness panel. That's
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somewhere around three thousand dollars or so to do that. But say you want
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instead, you want the entire testing package including the cancer testing and the full
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body MRI and the cat skin of your heart to really mitigate the possibility if
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you having chronic disease. That really takes, you know, more than just
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one visit. It's not just one visit of results. We need to put
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a program in place for six months to a year. So what we have
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for that is what we call our Executive that's a fourteen thousand, five hundred
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dollars program, but it includes a year membership as well. And then for
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people that are not willing to spend that amount of money, it's a lot
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of money, we can still help them. So we have what we call
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our our baseline that we do for people, and the baseline is three hundred
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dollars and we can give you a lot of data with that baseline, and
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you can still come and visit us on a monthly basis for a ninety nine
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dollars a month just to use a technology. Well that that makes a lot
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of sense because today's world as well, you and I spoke earlier today,
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it's so difficult for people to come out of pocket. You know, this
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is concierge medicine, and no insurance is going to cover even though it's quite
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discouraging for people like you and me to see that how our system is based
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on sitcare instead of healthcare. And you know it should these kinds of things
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should be covered because they are preventative and that will save money. And why
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why does the healthcare system not see that? I'm getting off on a tangent,
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but anyway, I don't I agree with you. It's so counder intuitive,
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right, counterintuitive. It's like, why are we paying people to get
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sick? That's really what. So here you are helping people to avoid getting
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sick, or if they're already sick, to get better so that they live
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a quality of life and a longer life than a sick care life where disease
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is prevailing and they're fighting in a reactive way rather than a proactive way.
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So that's my little speech. Of course, I think anybody who watches this
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podcast knows that just by the guests that come on, that this is the
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you know, the very passionate theme is to take charge. You are the
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producer of your own play, So take charge of your life, and that
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means take charge of your health, because your health your is your wealth.
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And so you're you're hitting on so many important subjects. I like this way,
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and we can flash this in our on our screen for people if you
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can send me a link to the different protocols that people can select. That's
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really what I think would help a lot of people that are viewing today is
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what how can I access next next Hell's given my personal situation, and that's
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what we want to appeal to. So not everybody can accord fourteen thousand dollars,
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but most people can afford the you know, the first, the third
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one you mentioned the three hundred to just get it. Get that baseline so
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you know where to begin, and then you start building your pyramid from from
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there. So when you say the the office space or the clinic space is
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very esthetic in your web on your website, can we show some of the
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photos of some of the spaces if you send those to us, absolutely our
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website. If you go to nextstash health dot com, you'll see right in
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the beginning, like you'll see what our space looks like. It's it's we
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call ourselves an Apple Store of Health and Wellness. It really does feel like
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a clean, pretty light Apple store and open spaces and it just people just
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feel good when they walk in. We hear that all the time they feel
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healthier as soon as they walk in, and so that was very purposefully we
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did that. You know, we went through a lot of different architects and
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designers and we found one that we really liked who worked with Frank Gary and
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he helped us design the perfect place basically because we really wanted to turn healthcare
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around, not just from like, not just from the way we think about
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things proactively and preventatively, but also from how you interact with your doctor.
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It should be a positive interaction with time spent with you and you really feel
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a connection and you really feel positive going there rather than set So in the
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eight years that you've been in business, how many people have you had I
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assure you have with some kind of a headcount, how many people who do
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you think you've helped? Oh, we we have over ten thousand members and
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you know we've I think we did account of the number of lives actually saved
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and we're well into the hundreds. By diagnosing tumors, they didn't know they
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had chronic disease that they didn't know they had. You just had symptoms.
27:22
They had no idea. You know, most people don't even have a primary
27:26
care doctor anymore because they're so disillusioned with the symptom, with the system that
27:30
they kind of ignore their symptoms now. And so you know, for them
27:33
to have a place to go and it's three hundred dollars to kind of figure
27:36
out what's going on, it's it's a it's a game changer for a lot
27:38
of people. It's a gift, a gift if you can't take three hundred
27:44
dollars, like I said earlier today, if you don't just don't go out
27:47
to dinner one night and you've just made your commitment to your health and we
27:52
have dollars for a meal these days is kind of a norm. So yeah,
27:56
this is this is so important. I'm so so please that we can
28:00
share your concept with our people, our viewers, because more people need to
28:07
know about this. Not everybody has heard about nix Hels, and so I
28:11
know you're doing a huge marketing effort, but you know, still it takes
28:15
a lot of effort to get out there to the masses, so to speak.
28:18
So what let's talk about some of those individual things you mentioned, the
28:25
treatments just take just take cryotherapy as an example. A lot of people have
28:30
heard of cryotherapy, but they don't really know what it is and what it
28:34
does for you. So just use that as one example of your one of
28:38
your treatments that you think makes a difference and tell us about it. Yes,
28:42
absolutely, So let me take a step back real quick. In functional
28:47
medicine, that we learn that diseases come from root clauses, and so,
28:52
like you said, the Western medicine is so focused on diagnosing a disease,
28:56
its treating or the pill or surgery, but we know that diseases really come
29:00
from root causes. And there's six root causes in my mind of most disease.
29:06
One is inflammation, as we all know, inflammation can lead to a
29:10
lot of problems, and most diseases have a basive inflammation. Secondly is hormone
29:15
disregulation or deficiencies. Thirdly is gut issues. Is like gut dyspiosis. You're
29:19
not having a good, healthy gut and leaky gut for these insulin resistance,
29:25
So people with metabolic diseases have insulin resistance. Fifth, toxic exposures. So
29:30
we have all lived in the most toxic environment ever in human history, and
29:34
those exposures are causing us to be sick and Lastly, is mitochondria dysfunction.
29:38
Right, So, our mitochondria the powerhouses of our cells and they are trying
29:44
to keep up with the energy requirements. Every cell needs to keep doing his
29:48
job, but it's so hard because all the cells are trying to fight inflammation,
29:52
toxic exposures, not enough hormones, etc. So what cryotherapy does.
29:57
Cryotherapy really helps your mitochondria to rejuvenate and to make energy. And when you
30:03
give that little bit of stress, it's called hormesis to a mitochondria. What
30:07
it does is it resets itself to create more atp create more energy and also
30:15
you go undergo a process called mitochondria biogenesis where you start making more mitochondria.
30:21
And you know, we live this sedentary, kind of comfortable lifestyle all the
30:25
time. A monochondria never get these little bursts of stress that they used to
30:29
get when we were cavemen, and so it's so hard for them to stay
30:33
healthy. So certain things such as heat like in a sauna therapy, cryotherapy
30:38
and also high intensity intermittent training exercising at a very vigorous pace helps your mitochondria
30:47
to undergo this hormesis process. Okay, so the heat therapy is the far
30:53
infrared sauna, which which everybody who has used one knows the benefits of that.
31:00
I have one in my home and I use it every single day.
31:03
And the reason for a far infrared is it's it's not as direct to heat
31:07
as the traditional Swedish sauna. It's a more indirect heat. But it's uh,
31:14
it's completely effective because it's it's you know, heating all of your body
31:18
in a very non non what would you call it, non invasive way?
31:25
Right? And then so that's the heat part of it, and then the
31:29
cold part of it would be the cryotherapy, right. So does it take
31:33
people a lot of courage to jump into a cold tank of water? Yeah,
31:40
so you know, we we actually make it a little bit easier on
31:42
people. So I actually do have a cold plunge a cold tank of water
31:45
in my house as well. But the cry therapy machines that we have at
31:48
Excel locations, they're a little bit easier. So they are basically big giant
31:53
freezers that were made for humans to be inside, and they cooled down to
32:00
negative hundred forty degrees and so we can really just have someone in there for
32:02
two to three minutes without having to get them wet, and that's the key,
32:07
you know, And so when they're when they're in there and they're not
32:12
they're not wet, they can get in and out and be much much more
32:15
comfortable. Don't get me wrong, it's still a shock to the system and
32:19
you still do get that incredible burst of energy afterwards, just as effectively as
32:24
a cold as a coal plunge, but it's a lot easier. So,
32:29
josh On, is there any way to measure the senescent cells before and then
32:34
the post mitochondrial benefits after? Is there is there a machine that people can
32:39
actually see that, like you do an oximeter for your oxygen is before you
32:45
do a hyperbaric Is there a way to do it for cryotherapy? Sadly,
32:50
there's not. There's no real way to measure the number of mitochondria in your
32:52
cells and how they're functioning very effectively unless you have a lab where you can
32:58
actually you know, run a myriad of tests, and so there's really not.
33:04
But I can tell you that there's a lot of research around cold therapy
33:07
and sono therapy showing longevity benefits and just the way people feel and sleep and
33:15
are able to have less pain from less inflammation. After cryotherapy, people can
33:21
tell immediately that they're feeling better, and so let's move to stem cells and
33:25
exosoms. So obviously this is more cutting edge, and this is more a
33:30
little more difficult for people to access unless they're coming to next cells and or
33:35
there they have a stem cell professional that they work with. So what what
33:42
what when when do you advise to do stem cells for people? What would
33:47
be the typical profile of a person that you would recommend stem cells therapy or
33:53
exosomes or the combination of the two. Yeah, So, so there's two
33:59
kind of patient populations that can utilize stem cells. One is people that are
34:02
having joining problems, needs shoulders, et cetera. That have either torn a
34:07
ligaments slightly or having issues with their joints, and so we can do direct
34:10
stem cells injections into those areas or acoss ome injections even PRP injections that can
34:16
stimulate the healing process. The second group of people that we use stem cells
34:21
for are ones that want it for longevity benefits, and so those are given
34:27
intravenously and the stem cells are able to locate areas of inflammation that need healing
34:32
in your body. Go to those areas and stimulate your natural stem cells to
34:37
start also healing those areas as well. So those are the kind of the
34:42
two populations that we serve with stem cells. You know that we the FDA
34:46
and local medical societies tell us that we can say that it treats any specific
34:52
disease, and so we never say that if you have this disease, you
34:54
should do stem cells. That's definitely not what we're saying. But what we
34:58
are saying is that we know that stem cells are able to stimulate the healing
35:01
process and able to locate areas of inflammation. And there is a lot of
35:07
research and a lot of testimonials that you can see on the internet of people
35:12
that have been massively helped by stem cells for all sorts of different conditions.
35:16
What's the origin of the stem cells that you use. So we used to
35:22
use autologous stem cells, so we used to take them from people's fat and
35:27
purify them and inject them. But then what we realize is that these stem
35:30
cells, they're kind of your older stem cells anyway, and so they're not
35:32
as effective as newer stem cells. And so what we've been doing lately is
35:38
obtaining purified umbilical cord blood that was donated by mothers from their babies and using
35:45
those stem cells instead. Now, these are brand new stem cells from brand
35:50
new babies. They have a lot more growth factors, a lot more ability
35:54
to heal and to find the locations where you have inflammation. So have you
36:01
tested that the impact of the change from autologous to embryonic in term outcomes?
36:12
Yeah, so, so we haven't tested them our cells, but the stem
36:14
cell companies that are making these and the research has a lot there's a lot
36:19
of research going on right now. And the test the companies have tested the
36:22
concentrations of cytokines and growth factors in the stem cells and there's orders of magnitudes
36:29
indifference. Yeah. So, it's so the the tag lists stem cells that
36:35
are pluripotent, the ones you mentioned earlier, they just travel to the area
36:42
of most need. It's kind of like they have a brain, right,
36:46
Yeah, all them cells do that also, and they're not pluripotent by the
36:51
way. Pluripone stem cells are ones that can turn into any other kind of
36:53
cell. Yeah so so, but yes, all stem cells have the ability
37:00
to locate areas of inflammation. Right, It's amazing. It's it's a it's
37:04
a miracle really when you think about it. And by the way, for
37:07
people who don't know PRP, the current means platelet rich plasma and that's a
37:15
whole other area that, like you said, you can combine exosomes, PRP,
37:21
and stem cells in one package really to address the needs of the individual
37:28
customized so the and PRP by the way, they can you can use that
37:32
on your scalp and do the hair growth. So do people actually ask you
37:38
about hair growth? Is that one of the treatments that you do there at
37:43
next? Absolutely? Yep, absolutely we do. We do PRP and exosomes
37:46
too. People scalp all the time to help with hair growth. We have
37:51
an entire hair program. I mean, your hair is one of those things
37:54
that can be affected by a lot of different physiological processes. So we want
37:58
to make sure your hormones are do you have a low information et cetera.
38:01
Make sure all your micronutriants are where they need to be, so we do
38:06
micronutrient testing as well. And then yes, PUREP is definitely part of the
38:10
hair growth program. Yeah, and you know, I don't know if you
38:14
know, doctor Todd ovacitis in Carl's bad. But he's been a guest on
38:17
my podcast and he's developed a do you know of him, I don't know.
38:23
I don't. I wish I didn't. I need to connect you with
38:25
him, but just so you know, he's developed a very innovative application for
38:34
absorbing stem cells because like everything else, the absorption process is one of the
38:39
big challenges. And he has a laser invention and by and by the way,
38:45
he works with NASA all the time because of his uh the innovative aspect
38:52
of this. Uh So, if you can look him up, it's doctor
38:55
Todd ovacitis. It's an O A k y Tis and give him a plug
39:02
here. He is one of my sponsors. So you know, I would
39:07
like to repeat, you know, not only just sponsors, but I want
39:09
everybody to know about you as well. And you're not a sponsor yet maybe
39:14
one day you will be. However, they the treatment and I did it
39:20
just fascinating. You go into his office. They do it full out on
39:24
screening, just like you do all your health and they don't They won't touch
39:29
you until they know everything about you medically or health wise. Then they ask
39:35
you to tell them which parts of your body would you want to have the
39:39
stem cells most address? And so you give them areas of your body,
39:45
whether it's your brain or your heart or and then they use their they take
39:51
your blood and they centrifuge it, and then they do their laser treatment on
39:57
the actual stem cells from your blood and then they re effect you. So
40:02
yeah, I mean, if you ever want to go to Carl's vad and
40:05
meet him, I'd be happy to set that up for you, because it
40:09
is it is a whole area of stem cell treatments that I'm not sure a
40:14
lot of people really understand. But he didn't. I don't know if you'd
40:17
want me to say this publicly, but I think it's okay. He did
40:21
heal Mike Tyson, uh, and he's had a lot of VIPs and celebrities
40:25
that he's healed from injuries. So very very important person to be aware of.
40:32
Uh. Not to take away from you and what you're doing, but
40:37
this is just you know, I look for collaborations. I told you earlier
40:42
today. Synergy and networking is really what it's how we all grow. I
40:45
mean, it's not what you know, but who you know sometimes that it
40:49
can really make a difference and so yeah, so we're all in this world
40:55
making a difference together. So okay, so go to I want to hear
41:01
more about the the imaging part because you mentioned MRIs and uh, cat scans.
41:10
Well, we all know cat scans have a risk of radiation, right,
41:15
but MRIs are are not. So do you normally recommend people do MRI
41:21
before anything else in the imaging area? So you know, we send people
41:28
to an imaging partner which is right next door to us basically to do the
41:31
imaging, and we do multiple modialities of imaging based on your age, your
41:37
symptoms, and your biomarkers. So we choose what we want to do based
41:42
on what's going on in your body at that moment in time. I can
41:45
break those down a little bit for you. So we have the full body
41:47
MRI. The full body MRI is an incredible test because you know, MRIs
41:52
are only used in hospitals for injuries for so long, but now the technology
41:57
has gotten cheaper but better, and you can do an entire body in an
42:00
hour, whereas that used to take five six hours to do that. And
42:04
what we can do with a full body MRI is detect solid organ tumors before
42:09
they become symptomatic. Once again, cancer as big as enemy is being diagnosed
42:14
at stage one, and so we want to make sure that we can find
42:16
any solid organ tumors way before, way before you feel it. I always
42:22
say, if Steve Jobs had a full body MRI might still be alive today
42:25
because he died of pancreatic cancer. But secondly, so many people also die
42:30
of an anatomic abnormality that they didn't know they had, for example, an
42:35
aneurism in your brain and aneurism in your aorta. These are things that are
42:38
developing over time and you have no idea you have it until it bursts,
42:42
and then you end up either you know, dying or being in the ICU
42:45
for a very long time. And so I think a full body MRI is
42:50
very useful, and we use it on almost all of our patients that are
42:54
over the age of forty to diagnose these types of issues, and people that
43:00
are under forty wanted one. And I think it's you're not getting radiation,
43:05
you're what's going on inside. And we find all sorts of weird things all
43:08
the time to keep an eye on. Yeah, and you didn't even mention
43:13
the brain, which is part of the MRI. That is so important to
43:17
prevent dementia and Alzheimer's before they ever get to that point because you can see
43:22
the if there's beta amyloid and the brain or other influences of those disease,
43:30
those dreadful diseases. So actually, you know, the MRI is not very
43:37
good at picking up signs of dementia. It actually picks it up pretty late.
43:40
So we do do other We have other testing modalities that we can use
43:45
to pick up signs of dementia. There's a new blood test I can actually
43:47
detect TAO and beta amoid protein in your blood and that's going to be I
43:52
think a game changer in the early diagnostics of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of
44:00
dementias. So our blood test is really what we're looking at using for that.
44:04
Is that the apo e or the or is that apoi is actually that
44:08
your genetic risk for Alzheimer's, and that's the APOE gene is not deterministic.
44:15
Just because you have the apoegen doesn't mean that you're gonna get Alzhemer's. But
44:19
if you have two copies of the E four gene, your risk of Alzheimer's
44:22
is twelve times the normal population. That's good to know as well. We
44:28
do test everyone for apoe but the blood test is something that can detect the
44:32
actual proteins forming here is before you become symptomatic, and that's what we're using
44:38
now. This is brand new, just in the last few months that we've
44:42
been able to offer this. I hope people listening and viewing today are aware
44:47
of the just the excitement of the change that has come into medicine in the
44:52
last few years. It's like a hundred years of medicine have been compressed into
44:58
the last five years. And maybe talk about that for a moment. With
45:00
artificial intelligence and the other cutting edge technologies that you are aware and utilized,
45:08
but a lot of people have never even embraced that or they don't even they
45:13
don't know about it first and they have to be educated and then they have
45:15
to understand what it could do for them. So maybe touch on you know
45:21
what you would call some of these cutting edge technologies just for a moment.
45:24
I'll give you an example of one, and you're absolutely right, like we've
45:29
learned more in the last five years, and we've learned in a hundred years
45:31
with medicine, and it is the game. Changes are happening right now and
45:36
people don't even know it. So I'll give you one example. There's a
45:39
new test called a liquid biopsy. It's a blood test that you can do
45:44
to find what's called cell free DNA of tumors in your blood. You can
45:50
detect fifty different forms of cancers that are almost impossible to find until you become
45:55
symptomatic, years and years and years before they come symptomatic, so stage one
46:01
or even before stage one, before they become a larger tumor that are that's
46:06
hard to treat. Cancer is typically diagnosed as stage three or four. Usually
46:12
it's metastatic. Once a cancer is metastatic or too large to remove with surgery,
46:16
then you have to undergo chemo radiation, et cetera. And you know,
46:21
the survival rate for first stage three and four cancers with metastatic tumors is
46:27
abysmal, horrible, And we spend so much money and so much time in
46:30
this country and all over the world treating cancers that are stage three in stage
46:35
four. With this blood test that just came out a couple of years ago,
46:37
we can actually just take a simple blood test and find tumor DNA that
46:43
has escaped the tumor and is roaming around in your blood stream. We can
46:45
find that. And the reason we can do that now is because we have
46:49
these DNA sequencers that can find not just sequence your own DNA, but also
46:53
DNA just that's hanging out in your bloodstream. And so they've used artificial intelligence
47:00
is to find out what are these DNA sequences and then they find out through
47:04
artificial intelligence and machine machine learning that these are actually coming from tumors and what
47:07
are the tumors. You can tell from the DNA sequence exactly the tumor it
47:12
is, so with a high degree of specificity to tell what tumor it is
47:15
and sensitivity, we can find fifty different tumors with a simple blood test.
47:19
Now there's blood test right now is a little bit expensive as a thousand dollars,
47:22
but the price will be coming down. We've seen sequencing the entire human
47:27
genome grow from billions of dollars to a few hundred dollars in the course of
47:30
the last ten fifteen years. This price will also be coming down very quickly.
47:36
And what is this going to do. It's going to almost eradicate cancer
47:40
from the list of the top ten causes of death that the CDC publishers every
47:45
year, Right, because now we're finding a stage one. Yeah, but
47:50
how come we don't hear about this and the so called fake news mainstream media?
47:54
Why why are they keeping this a secret from from the masses of people
47:59
who could benefit by you know, coming up with this. Even a thousand
48:02
dollars is still a small amount if you're going to discover something that critical to
48:07
your future. Yeah, it blows me away too, Like why is this
48:13
not FROMT page news every single day, you know, like everyone go out
48:16
and get this test done. You need to know. And so I think,
48:20
you know, I think there's a lot of in anything in medicine,
48:23
there's a huge learning curve, there's an acceptance curve, and there's you know,
48:30
the cost as well, And so between doctors finding out about it,
48:36
learning what it is, and learning how to talk about and what to do
48:37
with these results, people accepting that this is the new reality, you know,
48:43
and then people being able to afford it. I think what's happened is
48:45
that these things are like slowly, everything is way too slow. In my
48:49
opinion, that's what I want to do it next Sealth. Next Seal is
48:51
a platform for people to come in and understand, like, these things are
48:54
available and you can do them, and we're going to continue to do this
49:00
with all these new innovations that are out there. You know, it would
49:02
be really cool if you would just take all of this information that you're just
49:07
you're you're sharing today and I know there's so much more, but just an
49:12
example of that test and then have some kind of a white paper that you
49:17
can use. You know that's right from next Health, but you can use
49:21
it for people that are you know, business people particularly who are always want
49:25
to see the proof, right they and they want the science. But if
49:30
there were a way that you could put it all in one concise document for
49:36
people to examine and understand and know what it could do for them. Because
49:39
everybody's looking out for their own self interest, but they all have family members,
49:44
many of your caregivers, and you know, so helping other people is
49:47
also a big part of this. Would that be something that could be done
49:52
that you would feel comfortable having a In fact, Michelle working on a book
49:59
right now to just be a simple, easy guide to everything we talked about
50:02
today with all the proof points, the articles, the etc. That people
50:07
can do a little bit of a deeper dive on their own if they like.
50:09
But here's what I would do if you are my family member. These
50:14
are these These are the simple things that you need to put into place into
50:17
your life and keep track of to really make sure that you stay alive as
50:22
long as we improve your lifespan and your health span. You say, as
50:25
healthy as for as long as possible, and you live as long as you
50:29
possibly can. And so I'm writing a book right now, and so that
50:31
should be done by the end of the year, hopefully out the beginning of
50:36
next year, and I'd love to share that with your audience when it's done.
50:39
What's your name? As a book? We're still working on that,
50:44
Okay, you'll let me know. I'll be following you anyway. So absolutely,
50:49
I think I sent you a LinkedIn invocation, so we'll be together.
50:52
We'll know all these things so I can share them with my with my audience.
50:58
So before we go, because I know running out of time, I
51:00
see the little note to me to wrap it up, so I knew that
51:05
would happen. But there's two things I want to cover before we go.
51:07
The first thing is just personally, is there someone that has inspired you on
51:15
your journey, someone that you would call your mentor or the person that you
51:20
turn to for advice in your world. Yeah, you know, I've had
51:24
many mentors throughout my life, to be honest with you, and one of
51:28
the men, one of the mentors is not really just one mentor. It's
51:31
a group of eight people that I meet with on a monthly basis and we
51:37
discuss our personal life, we discuss our business life, and we discuss how
51:43
we're doing with our family as well. And these eight people we've been meeting
51:49
for over fifteen years now and we just make sure we meet every month,
51:52
and it's a group of men and women, and we really try to surround
51:59
ourselves of the eight people that can make the most positive influences in our life.
52:02
And so I bring the health aspect, other people bring the business aspect,
52:07
the family aspect. And it's this group of people that really pushed me
52:09
to do better, but also to make sure that I'm accountable to these changes
52:15
that I want to make, or in accountable to really living at my highest
52:19
level. And I really appreciate them and they've been a fantastic influence in my
52:23
life. I see that you're a member of YPO, so those the roots
52:29
of those people and that group from your HYPO, your young President's organization,
52:34
from YPO Forum. Yeah, I will. I love it. I love
52:38
it. Anyone who's listening to this podcast, just say you heard this on
52:42
Michelle's podcast, and we will offer you one free visit to Next Health where
52:46
you can utilize any of our technology that's available at that moment, either cryo,
52:52
sauna, hyperbaric, whatever speaks to you. Walk in and I just
52:57
want you to see the space, understand what we're doing, and benefit from
53:01
the technology. I just can't thank you enough for that. If people who
53:07
are listening don't take you up on that offer, that is like one of
53:09
the best offers we've ever had. And anyone that's living in the geographic area
53:15
of course, can you know make the appointment and just use the ageless code.
53:19
Just say Michelle Hughes or ageless and that referral, will you know be
53:23
right to Josh to your staff. So definitely, that is just an amazing
53:30
offer. So Dash and thank you so much for taking your time today to
53:36
share with us what your passions are and why you're doing these things and what's
53:40
available for people. There's just so much meat on the bone here. And
53:44
I hope people will send me emails and ask me more questions that I can
53:47
pass on to you if they have, you know, if they have them,
53:51
or just go and have that one day of a visit if they are
53:54
in the geographic area. So just so you know, again, New York
53:58
City, and this is all going to be on your website so well,
54:02
will include your website in our tape, uh and on our YouTube channel and
54:07
our webs and our website, so people will have no way, no excuse
54:12
is not to know who you are, what you're doing, and where you
54:14
are. So New York City, and of course those four locations in Los
54:19
Angeles and soon could be Dubai. But I'm not sure many people will take
54:23
advantage of that that are listening today, but maybe. And then what was
54:28
the other one that I miss? Yeah? You have a location of the
54:30
Four Seasons in Maui. Oh that's the one. Yeah, I'm going to
54:35
get that. I saw you on Ben Greenfield talking you was he was at
54:40
that location. So yeah, Maui needs the business. Four Seasons is open
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for everybody. So that's another one to take advantage of. Okay, Darshan,
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well, I'm going to say goodbye to you and wish you so much
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luck, and I'm really hoping that in another month or two of be able
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to meet you in person, and then we'll have a day together in Los
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Angeles. So thank you again. All Right, good luck and so much
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Okay, take care of my Byne