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Unconditional Love, Intuitive Kids, and Breaking the Box: A Spiritual Guide for Conscious Parents with Kara Anaya · The Spiritual Parent: Mindful Tools for Raising Spiritual and Conscious Kids

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  Kara Anaya: believe that these energies that are coming in now are really about bringing in this type of unconditional love and and getting beyond, getting to the point that we have unity with diversity instead of duality, because we have to change it.
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  Kara Anaya: Duality what does duality even mean?
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  Kara Anaya: Think of the word.
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  Kara Anaya: It means to fight to dual duality.
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  Kara Anaya: We want unity in diversity.
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  Kara Anaya: Diversity is good.
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  Kara Anaya: We like that, and that's what they're bringing in and they're making us really.
• 0:33
  Kara Anaya: One of the things that we had talked about is that we're we all kind of have a certain amount of time allotted in the day.
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  Kara Anaya: This is the box that we've created.
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  Kara Anaya: We have time allotted within the day.
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  Kara Anaya: We have energy allotted within the day.
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  Kara Anaya: When our soul comes in, we kind of do the same thing.
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  Kara Anaya: We allot our energy into the body in similar ways.
• 0:54
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Hi Conscious Parents.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: It's Keri here and I am here with a little info about raising our mindful kids.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: I've got some tips and tricks about breaking free of the box and becoming who you are and teaching your kids how to do that along the way, join us Hi there and welcome back.
• 1:10
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I'm so excited you guys.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: I have Kara Anaya of Children's Advocate, druidic Shaman, anamorphic High Priestess here today and I'm so excited to connect with you.
• 1:21
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I feel like we have parallels in our lives that we're going through, living through challenges that have taught us to connect deeper within ourselves and really find ourselves.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: Thanks so much for being here, kara.
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  Kara Anaya: Oh, you are so welcome.
• 1:35
  Kara Anaya: I'm so glad to be here today.
• 1:37
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, and I wanted to jump right in.
• 1:39
  Carrie Lingenfelter: You were talking about echoes and ego.
• 1:42
  Kara Anaya: Part of my path getting to this part, like the one within the spiral path, this journey that we're all in right, I realized that I was fighting between ego and what a lot of people call imposter syndrome.
• 1:56
  Kara Anaya: But I've renamed it to echo because it's either an echo of my own doubt within me or something that happened in the past, or an echo from somebody else saying something to me.
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  Kara Anaya: One of the echoes I used to have all the time was from my mom.
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  Kara Anaya: I love her to death, but she would say, if you eat that, it will make you fat.
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  Kara Anaya: So that was a belief system I was creating, and I'm going to talk to you about creation, because this is a huge one.
• 2:19
  Kara Anaya: But we're going to finish ego and echo first.
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  Kara Anaya: So I renamed it echo, right?
• 2:23
  Kara Anaya: So I realized I was kind of fighting between ego and echo.
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  Kara Anaya: Ego was like telling me oh, you're amazing, wonderful and taking me too high.
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  Kara Anaya: And echo was literally saying you need to just go die right now.
• 2:36
  Kara Anaya: You're the worst parent in the world.
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  Kara Anaya: There's nothing that you will ever be able to do to save yourself from this one, you know.
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  Kara Anaya: And when I realized I was fighting between these two kind of forces, I said, okay, we got to pair these babies up.
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  Kara Anaya: So now, anytime I go too high, echo comes back and goes.
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  Kara Anaya: Really, remember your friend that did that, because it doesn't even need to be my Echo, right?
• 2:57
  Kara Anaya: Remember your friend walked down that path.
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  Kara Anaya: Or remember the last time we did that, do you want to go there?
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  Kara Anaya: And then, when I go too low and my echo saying you might as well just end it, you're, you're no good Ego comes in and goes uh-uh, nope, uh-uh.
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  Kara Anaya: We fought through all of these times and it reminds me of how amazing I am and I paired them up.
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  Kara Anaya: They're just two sides to the same coin.
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  Kara Anaya: So I paired those babies up and now I have, like this, balance within.
• 3:32
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I love that so much.
• 3:32
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I feel like almost I've been talking to my son about Harry Potter.
• 3:34
  Carrie Lingenfelter: He's reading Harry Potter right now and I feel like there's the two sides that Harry has within him, like he has the Voldemort kind of the evil and then he has like the pieces from his parents, like the unconditional love from his parents.
• 3:44
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I guess that's a little different, but it just makes me think of that piece.
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  Kara Anaya: Yeah, well, and it's something we can take it and that's what we're doing within ourselves too, and then even smaller.
• 3:54
  Kara Anaya: You know, it's there.
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  Kara Anaya: There's the micro and the macro of everything, and it's the beautiful part, because when we share our stories, like she shared these amazing stories with us, it helped us remember so much of ourself within.
• 4:08
  Kara Anaya: So these books and these sharings are really what we should be doing, instead of teaching and learning.
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  Kara Anaya: As far as I'm concerned, it should be sharing and remembering, because we have the building blocks within us.
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  Kara Anaya: We've just forgotten, we've made ourselves so small.
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  Kara Anaya: So many people just believe that the body is all that they have, this physical vessel is all that they have, and they don't recognize the unseen, which is everything else, and it's so much bigger, it's huge.
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  Kara Anaya: I mean, think of the feelings, the emotions, the thoughts.
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  Kara Anaya: These are all unseen things.
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  Kara Anaya: These are all unseen things, and when we can pair those two up together too, it gets magical.
• 4:49
  Kara Anaya: It gets Harry Potter magical, it really does.
• 4:54
  Carrie Lingenfelter: It does, and it's interesting.
• 4:56
  Carrie Lingenfelter: My son is so drawn to that he's like what if?
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: we have that.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: I'm like we can have it, we do, we have it.
• 5:01
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Let's talk about it, dude.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: So I'm thinking you had mentioned to me earlier when somebody put something out there, like I do with the podcast, and I'm like this is what works for us.
• 5:10
  Carrie Lingenfelter: It may not be the exact thing that somebody is doing in their journey.
• 5:15
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Aiki has been a modality that has really opened everything up for me.
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  Carrie Lingenfelter: It helped me to heal pieces of my past inner child pieces, the echoes, pieces that really would come up.
• 5:27
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Now I have this modality that helps me to connect with myself and to heal these pieces of myself, and that's what worked for me, and at first I was like that's what everybody needs, like you had mentioned.
• 5:38
  Carrie Lingenfelter: So, we all have our own path and our own journey through how we connect with ourselves.
• 5:43
  Kara Anaya: I just did a post about this today, keri.
• 5:46
  Kara Anaya: Literally I just did a post about this today.
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  Kara Anaya: No, I'm not kidding.
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  Kara Anaya: I'm not surprised that this energy is coming back, because I did a post about unconditional love and why I send unconditional love.
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  Kara Anaya: Even in prayers I don't send.
• 6:01
  Kara Anaya: I hope that you feel better soon.
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  Kara Anaya: I hope that you are healed.
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  Kara Anaya: I have no idea what you need right now.
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  Kara Anaya: If I put any expectations onto it, then I send you energy that is blocked and waiting for parameters to be kept that you don't even know about because I haven't expressed those to you.
• 6:21
  Kara Anaya: I've just sent you energy and it's just hovering now around you in your field.
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  Kara Anaya: So, yes, it has to be each person's path.
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  Kara Anaya: They're sharing and remembering, because what I'm going to remember, that will help me.
• 6:35
  Kara Anaya: You're thinking, oh, I'm going to share this story Because this is the lesson that I think they need.
• 6:40
  Kara Anaya: It could be totally something bass-ackwards and it helps me tremendously, but not for the reason that you were aware and that's it ignites something new right it ignites something within you.
• 6:54
  Kara Anaya: Yes, the sharing and remembering, the teaching, the whole I'm going to teach you something is.
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  Kara Anaya: I'm going to put it into a box and if you only do it this way, it will only work this way.
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  Kara Anaya: I don't, I don't want, I'm tired of boxes.
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  Kara Anaya: I want to share and remember together.
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  Kara Anaya: Yes, we, we create the boxes so that we can share together.
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  Kara Anaya: Look what I have.
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  Kara Anaya: It's a, it's a pretty pair of glasses.
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  Kara Anaya: You know, here's my box, do you like it?
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  Kara Anaya: But we don't have to be so rigid that we say, oh, it must only be done this way, because the way that this box was created can be many different ways, you know.
• 7:30
  Kara Anaya: So I, I'm loving this.
• 7:33
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I love.
• 7:33
  Kara Anaya: I would love to hear your thoughts on these kids coming in we believe that these energies that are coming in now are really about bringing in this type of unconditional love and getting to the point that we have unity with diversity instead of duality, because we have to change it.
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  Kara Anaya: Duality what does duality even mean?
• 7:56
  Kara Anaya: Think of the word.
• 7:57
  Kara Anaya: It means to fight to dual duality.
• 8:00
  Kara Anaya: We want unity in diversity.
• 8:03
  Kara Anaya: Diversity is good.
• 8:04
  Kara Anaya: We like that and that's what they're bringing in and they're making us really.
• 8:10
  Kara Anaya: One of the things that we had talked about is that we're we all kind of have a certain amount of time allotted in the day.
• 8:16
  Kara Anaya: This is the box that we've created.
• 8:17
  Kara Anaya: We have time allotted within the day.
• 8:19
  Kara Anaya: We have energy allotted within the day when our soul comes in, we kind of do the same thing.
• 8:24
  Kara Anaya: We allot our energy into the body in in similar ways.
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  Kara Anaya: So a lot of the kids that are nonverbal, that are stepping in, are opening up their telepathic abilities.
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  Kara Anaya: See the duality.
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  Kara Anaya: We have duality right, so they're choosing to go telepathically instead of verbal Doesn't mean that communication isn't happening, and any parent of these nonverbal kids knows it's occurring because they have stepped into it one way or another themselves one way or another.
• 8:57
  Kara Anaya: Either they're noticing the way that they're sitting, like with my son Evan, if he would sit next to me, even if he had his hands crossed and he had this you know attitude of whatever he was next to me.
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  Kara Anaya: He wanted that.
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  Kara Anaya: You know this is the child that did not like touch, did not like you know.
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  Kara Anaya: So a lot of parameters I was dealing with.
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  Kara Anaya: I was trying to figure out his box.
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  Kara Anaya: It was very crazy.
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  Kara Anaya: He was the one that was nonverbal until he was about six.
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  Kara Anaya: I didn't hear I love you until he was seven.
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  Kara Anaya: But then when he said I love you, I knew he meant it to the core.
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  Kara Anaya: That boy will love me forever.
• 9:33
  Kara Anaya: You know he does not throw words like that around.
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  Kara Anaya: He's mad at me right now, by the way, but he loves me.
• 9:40
  Kara Anaya: So I get it, I've been there, yeah, but so I think what they're really doing right now is establishing that, that unity in diversity, and they're bringing it in their own unique form, and each one is so, so different that we can't even try to box them.
• 9:59
  Kara Anaya: They're saying we will not be boxed anymore, we will no longer be your sheep.
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  Kara Anaya: There are no sheep here none, and that's the energy that I'm getting from these kids.
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  Kara Anaya: They are so unique we have to stop and look at them separately, and that's what we need to be doing with each other too, by the way.
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  Kara Anaya: We're each sovereign, you're amazing, you're beautiful.
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  Kara Anaya: If no one told you that today, Same to you, Kara.
• 10:23
  Kara Anaya: I love it.
• 10:23
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I think that's beautiful.
• 10:25
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, sharing this unconditional love.
• 10:29
  Kara Anaya: That seems to be the theme right now, today again, the best way to connect with anybody is just to be authentically yourself.
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  Kara Anaya: But we've forgotten who we even are.
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  Kara Anaya: I took a long hot minute to even figure out what I like.
• 10:42
  Kara Anaya: Remember Ego echo, ego echo.
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  Kara Anaya: So it was like was I choosing this because this ego aspect of you know?
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  Kara Anaya: Whatever, because that's what society said I should do.
• 10:54
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Connection, I think is a piece.
• 10:56
  Kara Anaya: Authenticity is the best way to do it.
• 10:58
  Kara Anaya: Even if you are being not pretty and not beautiful, even if you're crying, even if you're just not okay, being authentic about it but not being being, I need you to save me, I need you to fix me, I need you to do something in order for this to be okay.
• 11:19
  Kara Anaya: Being authentic within your true rawness, even at your worst, is better any day of the week.
• 11:26
  Kara Anaya: Then, ego or echo you know, you know the way we talk to each other, the way we interact with each other.
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  Kara Anaya: I'm constantly, every single day, going what belief system do I need to step into?
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  Kara Anaya: Do I need to shift?
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  Kara Anaya: Do I need to change or do I need to adapt in order for this what I want to happen to come to fruition?
• 11:49
  Kara Anaya: Okay, our belief system is, in many ways, our identity.
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  Kara Anaya: It is the ego and the echo.
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  Kara Anaya: So, when we have belief and then we add an emotion now think of that how often are the emotions that we're adding that are frustration?
• 12:04
  Kara Anaya: Even when we're helping our kids or each other, we're frustrated from it.
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  Kara Anaya: So what are we gonna get back from the situation?
• 12:11
  Kara Anaya: Okay, we're gonna get frustration from the kid.
• 12:13
  Kara Anaya: They're frustrated from it.
• 12:14
  Kara Anaya: So what are we going to get back from the situation?
• 12:15
  Kara Anaya: Okay, we're going to get frustration from the kid.
• 12:15
  Kara Anaya: They're going to reflect it back.
• 12:16
  Kara Anaya: They're the best little mirrors in the world.
• 12:18
  Kara Anaya: We reflect love and light to them.
• 12:20
  Kara Anaya: They will pick it up and start reflecting it back.
• 12:22
  Kara Anaya: Okay, so the emotion that we add into it and then the action that we do.
• 12:28
  Kara Anaya: What action is it that we're doing to get the creation moving?
• 12:32
  Kara Anaya: Okay?
• 12:33
  Kara Anaya: So the best way to find this unity within is to give yourself a whole lot of grace.
• 12:40
  Kara Anaya: Give yourself a whole lot of gratitude and every time you have any thought that comes to you that you dislike because it'll start with dislikes, okay, those are the ones that we are most apparently aware of okay, any thought or even situation that comes to you with dislike, step into gratitude for it and step into unconditional love and step into the highest love that you can possibly see.
• 13:05
  Kara Anaya: You know I have all these other duetic amazing short, but I have the balances to all of it too, and I am constantly balancing it within me.
• 13:12
  Kara Anaya: You know choosing to be, because we're not just one person, you're not just Carrie, I'm not just Kara.
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  Kara Anaya: You know your mom, your wife, your doctor.
• 13:24
  Kara Anaya: You know when the kids come in, we become.
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  Kara Anaya: We become everything to everybody in some way, shape or form.
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  Kara Anaya: Or we can choose to who do we choose to be?
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  Kara Anaya: I'm choosing love period.
• 13:38
  Kara Anaya: I choose the unconditional love.
• 13:41
  Kara Anaya: It's balanced, it's no parameters, it's not saying I'm going to show up if you do X, y and Z.
• 13:47
  Kara Anaya: So that's where, if I can give one piece of advice to help people connect to be authentically true, a, the kiddos know, when you're not, kids can feel it within them.
• 14:00
  Kara Anaya: Still, when you come out of the bathroom and you've just been crying and you're trying to smile and be okay, your kids feel your energy.
• 14:08
  Kara Anaya: We are literally teaching our children to deaden the feeling of their energy by not acknowledging it.
• 14:16
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yeah, Yep, I let my kids see me cry.
• 14:19
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yeah, there's moms that don't, but oh, yeah, they see me.
• 14:23
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Mom, why are you crying?
• 14:24
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Now Tell me, is it grandma?
• 14:26
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Do you miss abuela still?
• 14:27
  Carrie Lingenfelter: So sometimes I use that as an example, as I can if I can't, but yes, they see the cry.
• 14:32
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I I will say some of the kids coming in and I I don't know if this often is the kids with, like the PDA, I don't know if you know the pathological demand avoidance, you know really avoiding those demands on our system.
• 14:46
  Carrie Lingenfelter: And so I'm trying to say so the the perfect person, the normal quote, unquote person is not my words.
• 14:55
  Carrie Lingenfelter: That's what my 10 year old is picking up.
• 14:57
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I want to be the normal person and my seven year old, I want to be the normal person.
• 15:02
  Carrie Lingenfelter: That's how I receive love, Even though mom has always given unconditional love, dad has always given.
• 15:09
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Both of us are very, very connected with them unconditional love Dad has always given.
• 15:13
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Both of us are very, very connected with them, and it's just the world, it's our personality.
• 15:16
  Carrie Lingenfelter: I don't know.
• 15:17
  Kara Anaya: This is the key that they're trying to give you.
• 15:19
  Kara Anaya: I want to be normal.
• 15:20
  Kara Anaya: No-transcript.
• 15:24
  Kara Anaya: Tell me what normal looks like and then let's step into it.
• 15:27
  Kara Anaya: What does normal feel like to you, buddy, you know?
• 15:30
  Kara Anaya: And let's, let's step into that, because it may be something as small as I don't want to do this one thing anymore, or to to whatever, and and, and.
• 15:45
  Kara Anaya: We can help them shift that, because a lot of times what they are considering normal is like way outside the box of what we are, you know.
• 15:56
  Kara Anaya: So I would really step in and be like okay, let's put this down on paper, let's see what normal looks like and let's start walking this and let's make sure it feels authentic to you.
• 16:07
  Kara Anaya: You know every step of the way.
• 16:09
  Kara Anaya: It's not my authenticity, because they come down here in many ways as a vibrational blank slate.
• 16:19
  Kara Anaya: They have the unconditional love that we all have.
• 16:23
  Kara Anaya: But guess what?
• 16:24
  Kara Anaya: It starts, the duality starts coming on right and it could be that they have huge sensory issues.
• 16:31
  Kara Anaya: So sounds really bother them, or touch really bothers them, or these things really bother them.
• 16:37
  Kara Anaya: And when we step into recognizing, maybe that's the one thing that they want to be normal.
• 16:45
  Kara Anaya: Not all of me.
• 16:47
  Kara Anaya: Like what's his name from that movie.
• 16:50
  Kara Anaya: That just was.
• 16:51
  Kara Anaya: That just came out, the real live action how to train your dragon, right?
• 16:57
  Kara Anaya: He's, like you just pointed to, all of me Cute.
• 17:06
  Kara Anaya: So I would, I would step in and go what does normal look like for you?
• 17:10
  Kara Anaya: And then try to break it down, because sometimes, even if they are verbal I know for me I'm verbal I had a hard time expressing what that looked like to somebody else.
• 17:23
  Kara Anaya: And, as parents, most of the parents I've worked with okay, 99.9% of the parents I've worked with have been I am game to do whatever I need to do to help my kids, right.
• 17:34
  Kara Anaya: So it's like, with that kind of commitment, that is a huge commitment.
• 17:41
  Kara Anaya: It's a huge commitment.
• 17:44
  Kara Anaya: Anything is possible.
• 17:45
  Kara Anaya: They told me my kid would be nonverbal forever.
• 17:47
  Kara Anaya: They told me they wanted to put him in day programs.
• 17:51
  Kara Anaya: They wanted to, you know.
• 17:53
  Kara Anaya: And now he owns two.
• 17:55
  Kara Anaya: Does he own two houses?
• 17:56
  Kara Anaya: I can't remember, but he's married, he's a foreman with his own truck.
• 18:01
  Kara Anaya: He's amazing, beautiful.
• 18:02
  Kara Anaya: So this possibility is only there if we believe it.
• 18:08
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Okay, I love it.
• 18:10
  Carrie Lingenfelter: So okay, I was going to say I think my last question for you is what would you tell parents raising kids today?
• 18:18
  Carrie Lingenfelter: What's your favorite thing to share?
• 18:22
  Kara Anaya: You are the expert period.
• 18:25
  Kara Anaya: Yeah, you're going to read a lot of things.
• 18:27
  Kara Anaya: What I found?
• 18:28
  Kara Anaya: I have a book that's coming out called the Many Faces of Autism and I'm still working with it because I have a whole new chapter.
• 18:36
  Kara Anaya: I have a couple new chapters, so it's kind of amazing.
• 18:40
  Kara Anaya: But the books that I found that helped me the most were the ones that just shared.
• 18:44
  Kara Anaya: This is what we did.
• 18:45
  Kara Anaya: They weren't trying to push an agenda, don't push me.
• 18:47
  Kara Anaya: You're Jenny McCarthy, bs.
• 18:49
  Kara Anaya: Okay, I'm glad it worked for you.
• 18:51
  Kara Anaya: Share your story to me.
• 18:53
  Kara Anaya: I'm sorry.
• 18:54
  Kara Anaya: I'm sorry but it is.
• 18:55
  Kara Anaya: It really is, and I've frigging ran those circles and I don't mean to call her out.
• 19:00
  Kara Anaya: It was an amazing pathway she did and she's an amazing woman.
• 19:03
  Kara Anaya: But when you get stuck on, this is the only way to do it, then the parents, like me, where it didn't friggin work, feel horrible.
• 19:11
  Kara Anaya: Ok, so you are the expert.
• 19:15
  Kara Anaya: I don't know you and I friggin trust you.
• 19:17
  Kara Anaya: I know what you've been through.
• 19:20
  Kara Anaya: You are amazing, you are beautiful.
• 19:22
  Kara Anaya: If I had one word keep being you, keep shining, keep going strong.
• 19:27
  Kara Anaya: You are doing absolutely amazing.
• 19:29
  Kara Anaya: Go find those books that resonate with you.
• 19:29
  Kara Anaya: Keep shining, keep going strong.
• 19:30
  Kara Anaya: You are doing absolutely amazing.
• 19:30
  Kara Anaya: Go find those books that resonate with you and follow those.
• 19:33
  Kara Anaya: And when your friend tells you do X, Y and Z, walk away because they don't know They've not walked your path.
• 19:39
  Kara Anaya: You're amazing, right.
• 19:43
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, Beautiful.
• 19:44
  Carrie Lingenfelter: So many parents need to hear like to follow themselves and that they're not alone.
• 19:50
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Everybody there's so many of us.
• 19:52
  Carrie Lingenfelter: And if they're saying that that they haven't gone through struggles as a parent, they're not being authentic, because we've all had our moments in our own journeys.
• 20:03
  Kara Anaya: One more thing, I don't care the thoughts you've had or how bad it's gotten on your journey.
• 20:09
  Kara Anaya: Okay, people, because we've all been there, one of the things I did I want to share this quick story.
• 20:13
  Kara Anaya: I went and I talked at a college level and these were, these were kids becoming teachers, you know, in this wonderful land of no child left behind, where they just threw all of our kids together and gave them no supports, and they said well, we had a parent say one time that they had a thought that it would just be easier to drive their car into that semi than it would be to continue living the life that they've led.
• 20:43
  Kara Anaya: And I said you're doggone, right, we've had those thoughts, but we're stronger because we're still here.
• 20:48
  Kara Anaya: So every one of you is stronger.
• 20:51
  Kara Anaya: You're here, we've had those thoughts, but we're stronger because we're still here.
• 20:54
  Kara Anaya: So every one of you is stronger.
• 20:55
  Kara Anaya: You're here.
• 20:55
  Kara Anaya: We've had those thoughts.
• 20:56
  Kara Anaya: Okay, whatever they are, and sometimes we've done things that we're not even proud of, but you're still here.
• 21:01
  Kara Anaya: That doesn't make you into a beast.
• 21:04
  Kara Anaya: Only, if you continue to walk down that line, you are amazing.
• 21:09
  Kara Anaya: People, I love you.
• 21:09
  Kara Anaya: Sorry, I'm sorry.
• 21:11
  Kara Anaya: I felt that because so many times people think I'm unredeemable.
• 21:16
  Kara Anaya: Well, guess what?
• 21:16
  Kara Anaya: Our kids are feeling that too.
• 21:17
  Kara Anaya: They feel unredeemable, and it doesn't matter.
• 21:20
  Kara Anaya: Everyone.
• 21:21
  Kara Anaya: Everyone can step back and make different choices.
• 21:25
  Kara Anaya: It is possible, yeah.
• 21:28
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Yeah, beautiful.
• 21:30
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Thank you so much, kara.
• 21:32
  Carrie Lingenfelter: We appreciate your journey and sharing your journey with us.
• 21:35
  Kara Anaya: Absolutely.
• 21:36
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Well, that's a wrap.
• 21:37
  Carrie Lingenfelter: Thanks so much for tuning in.
• 21:39
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• 21:40
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• 21:55
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• 22:02
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• 22:05
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• 22:08
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• 22:09
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• 22:10
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