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Interview Only w/ John Morgan - Can The Law Succeed Where Politics Fails? · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: It is Attorney John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan Moran.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to see you, good to be here. So look,
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  Speaker 2: I always want to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk Florida politics, since we're a couple of Florida men
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  Speaker 1: when I'm with you, But I first want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about a little bit about what we discussed
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  Speaker 1: the last time and just sort of I think it's
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  Speaker 1: remarkable the nationalization of your business because there are different
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  Speaker 1: fifty rules, right, and how that can govern you know,
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  Speaker 1: fifty different bars you'd have to be a member of. Explain,
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  Speaker 1: explain how what is it that going national has done
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  Speaker 1: and how you know what is the most difficult part
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  Speaker 1: of trying to be a national firm.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the way it all came to be is about
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  Speaker 2: ten years ago or so, I asked myself if Google
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  Speaker 2: was a law firm, what would it look like. It
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  Speaker 2: was just kind of a crazy question, and the answer
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  Speaker 2: was it would be everywhere for everyone, and they would
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  Speaker 2: have a national platform and it would try to get
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  Speaker 2: as many cases that could take in the ones that
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  Speaker 2: could handle, but also refer out a lot in places
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  Speaker 2: where they're not kind of like an uber drivers. And
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  Speaker 2: so that was the that was the vision. The key
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  Speaker 2: in our business is you got to have great lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: So we've had to recruit and hire and make partners many,
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  Speaker 2: many great lawyers. Because a great case with a bad
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  Speaker 2: lawyer is a bad case. So we know that what's
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  Speaker 2: your vetting mechanism for that? How do you decide if
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  Speaker 2: someone meets your standards. You know, it'd be like asking
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  Speaker 2: you if you could have anybody, if you could pick
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  Speaker 2: any player to be on your baseball team, who would
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  Speaker 2: it be. And if it's not Show hey Otani, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we know who show Otani is. We know who they are,
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  Speaker 2: and we also know who the young prospects are. That's
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  Speaker 2: how we know, you know, we watch people and then
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  Speaker 2: we go and make it, make a deal with them.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know I had there's a great trial
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  Speaker 2: lawyer in Mississippi named Rocky Wilkinson and tried real hard
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  Speaker 2: and finally got it. But without Rocky, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: the success we've had down there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Uh, trial lawyers. When you say that phrase,
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  Speaker 1: for some people, it sounds like a four letter word
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  Speaker 1: to them. And you know that. And I what I
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  Speaker 1: always say about a trial lawyer about people who have
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  Speaker 1: negative feelings about a trial lawyer, I'm like, well, you've
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  Speaker 1: never needed one, and then the second they need one,
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  Speaker 1: then their attitude changes. But what would you say your
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  Speaker 1: industry could do better to improve that image.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think I think one of the things we
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  Speaker 2: could do better. First of all, you're right, it's frivolous
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  Speaker 2: until it's you your leg's been cut off until you
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  Speaker 2: get t bowed. It's always And the funny thing is
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  Speaker 2: the people who you think would be the least slightly
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  Speaker 2: to call are the ones that call. I think our
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  Speaker 2: business could I think that everybody putting up these numbers
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  Speaker 2: of hey, I got a million dollars, I got two
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  Speaker 2: million dollars, I got this, I got that, and they're
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  Speaker 2: looking they're perfectly healthy. You know. It falls right into
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  Speaker 2: the trap of you know, there's a hey, he got me
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  Speaker 2: a million dollars and people are like, well, you don't
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  Speaker 2: look hurt. Well, they could be sitting in a wheelchair.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't know it. But it's also very misleading because
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  Speaker 2: some people are bragging about getting a million dollars on
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  Speaker 2: a case it was worth ten million, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: even accurate. And so I think this whole gloating about
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  Speaker 2: these one case numbers is a mistake and we could
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  Speaker 2: do better on that. But look, what we do is
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  Speaker 2: very simple. This. We're in the business of getting back
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  Speaker 2: something that was taken from someone due to no fault
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  Speaker 2: to their own, their health, their job, enjoyment, the life.
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  Speaker 2: So what we do is righteous and good, and that's
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  Speaker 2: why I have no problem doing it, and as a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact, I can't think of a much more
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  Speaker 2: fulfilling work to be in.
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  Speaker 1: The I think it was the state of North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: earlier this month passed a law that would not and
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  Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong, that would not allow
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  Speaker 1: essentially private equity to invest in litigation, meaning they might
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  Speaker 1: pay some legal fees up front to to do in
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  Speaker 1: exchange for a piece of the piece of the settlement.
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  Speaker 1: In North Carolina wants to make that illegal. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you on legislation like that, and where are you on
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  Speaker 1: that on private equity essentially using civil litigation potentially as
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  Speaker 1: a way to hedge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Look, Peter Thiel bankrolled hul COVID's lawsuit against Galker. Look,
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  Speaker 2: private equity is a real threat to me because I
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  Speaker 2: don't use private equity money. I use all my own money.
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  Speaker 2: So in many ways I'm competing against Wall Street. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the deal. Insurance companies have unlimited money, unlimited money,
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  Speaker 2: and lawyers don't. And so the problem with the money
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  Speaker 2: that they're loaning, it's you know, sometimes twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 2: percent that gets passed on to the client and it compounds,
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  Speaker 2: So it's a gigantic cost to the client. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: kind of ambivalent on it. I don't need it, I
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  Speaker 2: don't use it, but I understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at the issue of civil litigation. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching what's happening with Meta. Well, let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you that are you involved with any of these cases
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  Speaker 1: that are going after the social media companies for creating
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  Speaker 1: defective defective product? Which is the which are you involved in.
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  Speaker 2: Any of us? Yeah? Well, we had We were part
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  Speaker 2: of that. Mark Lanier was the lead lawyer, but our
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  Speaker 2: firm was with him against Meta in California, So you
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  Speaker 2: were in that case. We're on that case. So we
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  Speaker 2: also got a half a billion dollar verdict against Google
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco last year, my firm and David Boyce's firm. Yeah. Look,
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  Speaker 2: social media is a is a mortal threat to our
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  Speaker 2: privacy and to our children. If you see it as
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  Speaker 2: a kind of tobacco, yeah, I do, because the human
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  Speaker 2: mind is a lot weaker than we've ever could have
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  Speaker 2: ever imagined. I mean a lot of smart people understand it,
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  Speaker 2: but the human mind that's most vulnerable are our children's minds,
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  Speaker 2: and these children have unlimited access to this social media
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  Speaker 2: and the social media's job is, just like cigarettes, is
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  Speaker 2: to addict the children to the clicks, to the pictures,
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  Speaker 2: to everything else. And they know how to do it
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  Speaker 2: because psychologically they're expert at it. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a mortal threat to our privacy and to our
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  Speaker 2: children's well being.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the reasons that I think your
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  Speaker 1: business has grown is I think more people are turning
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  Speaker 1: to civil litigation because politicians have let them down because
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  Speaker 1: they're not passing the regulatory Let's talk social media, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, to me, civil litigation at its best happens
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  Speaker 1: and then we get a law that's passed that protects
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  Speaker 1: everybody going forward so that you don't have to have
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  Speaker 1: multiple lawsuits.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing dumber for a company in dealing with
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  Speaker 1: in losing a case about a defective product once, is
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  Speaker 1: losing a case about a defective product twice. Right, Do
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  Speaker 1: you see that? Do you think your your business's growth
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  Speaker 1: has coincided with essentially government's atrophy with business and regulation?
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  Speaker 2: No question, because who's going to protect us? Who's going
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  Speaker 2: to help me? And is it going to be the government? No,
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to protect me? Plus I think that the
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  Speaker 2: people understand that the rich have gotten way richer and
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  Speaker 2: the poor have gotten way poor. And how really on
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  Speaker 2: the backs of the middle class and the poor these
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  Speaker 2: we are now back in monopoly days. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: need Teddy Roosevelt to come and deconstruct some of these monopolies.
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  Speaker 2: I remember during the pandemic when we ran out of
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  Speaker 2: baby formula, and I was like, how do we run
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  Speaker 2: out of baby form Well, there's only two companies that
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  Speaker 2: make baby formula. Right now, we're seeing all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: steel prices be jacked. You were thinking, well, we're taxing
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  Speaker 2: tariffs over here. The steel is coming in, but the
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  Speaker 2: American steel makers are raising their prices because it's a
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  Speaker 2: perfect opportunity to raise their prices to match the tariff prices.
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  Speaker 2: Who's suffering but the American consumer. We can't build boats.
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  Speaker 2: We can't build boats that we need. China puts out
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  Speaker 2: one thousand a year, We put out one. And so
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  Speaker 2: these big companies have got a stranglehold of monolipus. A
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  Speaker 2: monopoly on America is just squeezing us, and nobody's watching
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  Speaker 2: out for the people being squeezed.
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  Speaker 1: Well it look, it does seem to me that it's
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  Speaker 1: like that we are seeing. If I don't have anywhere
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  Speaker 1: else to go, I'll follow lawsuit, right, and at least
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  Speaker 1: you might get some action in a course room, and
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  Speaker 1: at least you might get some media attention that may
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  Speaker 1: turn it into a political movement.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, we're going to be on this
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  Speaker 2: social media platform for a long time. Another thing that
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  Speaker 2: we believe in is processed foods. We believe that processed
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  Speaker 2: foods is like tobacco. I mean, you ought to see
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  Speaker 2: the data on that, and we're just gorging ourselves on
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  Speaker 2: this processed food. When Bobby Kennedy was in our firm,
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  Speaker 2: that was his that was his hottest hot button. And
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  Speaker 2: so we had a we had a case that was
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  Speaker 2: thrown out in Philadelphia. We're refiling it. But we believe
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  Speaker 2: that processed food is the next tobacco. Bobby Kennedy was
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  Speaker 2: a member of your firm. Yes, interesting, Yeah, I had
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  Speaker 2: to I had to feel, well, look, he's he's smart
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  Speaker 2: and crazy and uh, you know it's just and you
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  Speaker 2: just don't know what what he's talking is that the
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  Speaker 2: small Bobby or the crazy Bobby. That's how I kind
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  Speaker 2: of looked at it. But he's very you know, compelling
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  Speaker 2: when he makes his case to you, he's very compelling.
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  Speaker 2: But like we had, you know, big toxic torques, the
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  Speaker 2: some gas explosions East Palestine. He flew in and I
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  Speaker 2: mean people flocked to Bobby. Bobby is Bobby's a pie piper.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we had a lot of great times together.
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  Speaker 2: But when he became when I had to fill out
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  Speaker 2: some forms when he was being approved by the Senate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, on his earnings, what he made. Yeah, was he
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  Speaker 1: a decent lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's a very smart guy. And he's very passionate.
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  Speaker 2: When he's passionate, as you know, he is the most
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  Speaker 2: passionate person in the room. And you know, again there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of rat holes. I think he goes down.
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  Speaker 2: That's just total bs. But on the other hand, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of questions he raises, you know, when he
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  Speaker 2: gets into autism. His whole deal is, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: got we got these vaccine courts that are protected. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that nobody we can't even we can't even sue
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine makers because of the vaccine courts. So who
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  Speaker 2: knows what. And one thing we do know, the makers
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  Speaker 2: of pharmaceuticals are not to be trusted. I've made a
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  Speaker 2: fortune because they hide things. They rig trials, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my first one was breast in planning.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think they should have some indemnity, Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: mean when you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They have total and you vaccine has total. Some is
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  Speaker 2: different than yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree with that,
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  Speaker 2: but some are different than total. They have vaccine courts,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically nothing. It's like, listen, you're hear about
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  Speaker 2: people going postal when they come in and shoot everybody.
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  Speaker 2: How postal got to going If you get hurt on
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  Speaker 2: the job as a maleman, there's no attorney's fees provision
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  Speaker 2: for the lawyers who handle your case. So when you
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  Speaker 2: get hurt as a mailman, you have no lawyer that
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  Speaker 2: will ever take your case because they can't get paid.
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  Speaker 2: Then you hear about people going postal. The people will
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  Speaker 2: go postal or former you know, postal workers who are
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  Speaker 2: hurt on the job couldn't provide for their family and
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  Speaker 2: snapped because they couldn't get legal representation. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that have a lot of immunity. Sovereign
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  Speaker 2: immunity is all over this country in all fifty states.
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  Speaker 1: And are fashion you know, see, where do you vet
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  Speaker 1: your scientific information. You know, I say this since we
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  Speaker 1: brought it up Bobby, we know that he can cherry
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  Speaker 1: pick if he wants to make a point, because he's
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  Speaker 1: very passionate, and he'll ignore some evidence. So how do
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  Speaker 1: you ensure that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as far as that goes, I've vet the signs,
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  Speaker 2: not Bobby. So because it's my money, not Bobby's. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when I go down a lane and decide to go,
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  Speaker 2: there's a huge penalty for me being wrong money. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when I have these cases, Chuck, I mean, when my
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  Speaker 2: cases against the tobacco industry that I have had going
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  Speaker 2: on for years, when they come to trial, they come,
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  Speaker 2: they take down a Hampton end, they come and take
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  Speaker 2: ten lawyers in, I mean, and they litigate. Our cases
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  Speaker 2: have gone all the way to the Supreme Court. So
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  Speaker 2: the real thing that limits me from chasing frivolous actions
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  Speaker 2: is my own reality that this thing's going to take
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  Speaker 2: ten years. It's going to take ten years. You have
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  Speaker 2: a case, and I better have a case or I'll
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  Speaker 2: go broke. So that's the government for me. Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: politics a little bit. A year ago this time you
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  Speaker 2: were talking third party. You want to start one in Florida,
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  Speaker 2: and see what happened.
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  Speaker 1: You seem to be a little less ambitious about a
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  Speaker 1: third party today.
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  Speaker 2: Why, well, I'm not less ambitious because tomorrow morning, at
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  Speaker 2: nine o'clock am.
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  Speaker 1: We are taping on June twenty third for time stamping.
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  Speaker 1: Here a little bit, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we will be announcing the name of our party.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I had, I had. I have one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars prize going right to the winner.
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  Speaker 1: So you found a winner. You picked a winner.
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  Speaker 2: I've picked a winner. I've picked a name. Uh. The
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  Speaker 2: reason I was kind of a ambibolo.
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  Speaker 1: You might as well tell me the name now because
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to report it until after the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you, if you promise to embargo.
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  Speaker 1: It, I will embargo it until you announce it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. The common ground for the common ground, okay, to
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  Speaker 2: be known as the Grounders.
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  Speaker 1: And you wanted to be known as the Grounders. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a lot of we had thirty five
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  Speaker 2: thousand people will submit names, and I that's not my name.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never you know. What everybody kept saying is it
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  Speaker 2: should be the People's Party, right because but but Ron Meyer,
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  Speaker 2: my lawyer up there in Tallahassee. He goes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's in that the name of the party in China,
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  Speaker 2: the Peoples, And I hadn't even I was leaning that
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  Speaker 2: way without a content. When he said the People's you know,
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  Speaker 2: communist China, I was like, WHOA, that's right, and so
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be the name. So I wasn't cool
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  Speaker 2: on it. What I was thinking about was running on
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  Speaker 2: it myself, and so that's why I was hot and
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  Speaker 2: cold on it. There was really a few people that
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  Speaker 2: if they'd gotten into the race, I would have run,
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  Speaker 2: and so interesting they didn't, and so I didn't run.
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  Speaker 2: And so now I believe this. I believe a lot
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  Speaker 2: of names there or would you prefer it? Sounds like
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  Speaker 2: I prefer not, but I think you can probably figure
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  Speaker 2: it out by the day. But I just thought one
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  Speaker 2: would be catastrophic for the state. And yeah, and and
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  Speaker 2: so I've watched a lot of these rich people go
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  Speaker 2: out and become politicians and it's kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of feel sorry for him, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be feeling sorry for myself out there trying
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  Speaker 2: to be Tom Steyer spending one hundred million dollars to
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  Speaker 2: have So I mean look at it.
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  Speaker 1: You bring up a good point. Michael Bloomberg tried, decided
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  Speaker 1: to stay in the Democratic Party. Howard Schultz tried, and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't go very well. You brought up stire. He
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  Speaker 1: obviously decided to do it from the inside. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's so funny. People are a
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  Speaker 1: bit distrustful of wealthy people right now. So there's there's
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, all of a sudden, I'm like,
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• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and that's when the whales are here and and and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that's when the Florida legislature meets. So I missed. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: missed the whales to be hanging out with a bunch
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: of uh, you know whats. So, so I just decided
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: this is going to be a better path for me
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  Speaker 2: to to to UH. As you get later go on
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  Speaker 2: in life, you want to try to move from success
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• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that the right is too right and the left is
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: too left, and they think and compromise is absolutely not
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're calling me. They I've had a lot I
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  Speaker 2: And I believe we should. I believe, you know, I've
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  Speaker 2: What I didn't like about in the beginning they all
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I am very empathetic to this movement, okay,
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  Speaker 1: But the problem with moderates is there's no such thing
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  Speaker 1: you're punished.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree with that. But here's what I believe.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That the moderates can be the people in the middle.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I will always whenever I listen to that Steve Miller song,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you know, clowns to the left of me, jokers right,
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  Speaker 2: and I stuck in the middle, I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: in a Steve Miller song. And but what I believe
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  Speaker 2: is that the moderates could be the tie breakers. They
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: could be.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well, we have been the tie breakers. But the problem
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: is they're never represented once they get Here's my frustration,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll just let me put it in these terms.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the last seven states. Think about all the
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  Speaker 1: effort that's gone to win over these voters that basically
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: said I don't like Hillary on voting Trump, I don't
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like Trump and voting Biden, I don't like Biden on
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: voting Trump, right, And we spend all this money on it,
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  Speaker 1: and you know who's got the least amount of representation
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  Speaker 1: once the governing begins, those voters who made that final decision,
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  Speaker 1: they have them. They get the most attention during the
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  Speaker 1: campaign and the least attention during governing.
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  Speaker 2: Well because of special interest. I mean, look, once they
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  Speaker 2: get in, people start, you know, buy an influence. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the answer, but I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: know this, what we have going on right now is
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: not the answer. And when I think of this whole thing, Chuck,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think of it in presidential politics. I think
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it as more in congressional politics, where you can get in.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Look right now, if there were three true if there
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: were three truly moderate independence grounders in the Senate, they
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: would control the Senate.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Right all you need is right, All you need is
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: three or four right now in the Senate.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And all you need and all you need in the House.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I mean you're a political junkie.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all you need is and you can.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Do the math. You can do the math better than me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm gonna come in and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have but but what we do know is
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that independents are about the same as Republicans and Democrats
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: now in this country, so there's a lot of people
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: out there who are saying I don't have a team, right,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And so when I think about it, I don't think
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: about it in presidential politics. Now maybe one day it could,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: but I'm thinking, you pick up three Senate seats, you
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: pick up seven, eight, whatever House seats, and all of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: a sudden that caucus just to have an outside say
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: over what happens.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So you're starting this in Florida. Where can you make
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the biggest impact.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it was starting Florida to see what happens. I mean,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: we see what happens. I'm going to get I'm gonna
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: announce the name, and then we're going to and then
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna then I'm gonna
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: have a.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Small period of time to find a candidate for governor
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: if you choose to. But I take it you're not.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's not think it's too late. I mean, look,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the die is cast. It's going to be you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Jolly versus somebody. And you say.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Somebody, you don't think Donald. Do you think there's a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: chance Donald.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's going to be Donald's. Okay, I
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be Donald's but I just say
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: somebody out of respect for Renter and yeah, the guy
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: with one leg and fish back, I don't say it
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: really too much respect for that guy. But uh, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be Jolly
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Donald's right. If you had to go to the prediction
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Calshie betting, he'd be Donald's Jolly and and then Jolly
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: will lose, but not as badly as people would have thought.
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  Speaker 2: That's what that's my prediction. Yeah, he's a he's a
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: He's a good looking guy with a great look at family.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Gwyn Graham was a great back in the day when
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: we all used to horse around together, Gwenn was We
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: called her the little sister of Morgan and Morgan because
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: we we all palid around so much. So she's like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: our Stevie Nicks to the Heartbreakers and so she's a
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: great candidate and a great name and great family too.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So it's gonna I think that Donald's will win, but
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I think it'll be a lot closer than people ever
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: would have thought. Now I'm a.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: If I have a skepticism on Jolly. It's didn't didn't
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the Florida Democrats run this playbook before and it didn't
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  Speaker 1: work right with me.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Look, Charlie, Chris was in my firm. I brought in
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I brought in Jim Messina, I brought in John Angeloney,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I brought them all. I brought the dream Team in
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and it didn't it didn't sell. Why didn't that work?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Is that just a case of Charlie or do you
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: think it was the matter? I mean I I don't
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: think you know, I go back and forth. Well, first
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of all, first of all, there's a million more Republican
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: voters and Democrats. You start off with that, and most
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: people just vote D or R. And then the second thing,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: so you.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Have a you have a state party problem. So you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: have an organization infrastructure problem. And that has been the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: case for thirty years.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Right Yeah, well it got even worse after Andrew gillim
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: But but so you so you got that issue with Jolly.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But I think the Jolly issue is the Charlie issue,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: which is what do you believe in? I mean, are
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you here for us? Are you here for you? You're
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: a Republican and then you get beat and now you're
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: a Democrat. There's just that, there's that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what Jolly has to answer. And look, I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: had Charlie on here and you know, look, he is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he is, he is just he's really easy to like.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a very listen he that's his That's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: his best thing he's got going for him is his
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: personality and his family. I mean, they they're photogenic.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: The question I have is is it believable you can
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: go from take abortion, from believing, from saying one thing
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to now saying the other. And how credible is that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to the voter? And I think that's it. That's always
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the hardest issue to basically change on because you always hear,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this isn't a political position someone has. This is something
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that's grounded in their you know, personal beliefs and all
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff. And if you're able to when you flip
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it from one party to the another, and you want
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to and you go ahead and change that issue, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in some ways, would he be more credible as a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: pro life democrat?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You know? Right? So and and and look Charlie Chris
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: went from chain gang Charlie right and pro life Charlie too.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Let's let's you know, restore Felon's rights and pro choice.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like I want I want our politicians
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to change your mind. I want new evidence, and I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: hate the idea that we punish flip floppers. But there
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: are certain issues where people think, well, that isn't an evolution, right,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: although I can argue there's a lot of issues that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: can be where new information can make you think differently,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: including on abortion. No matter what you think here, what
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: somebody's circumstance could change that. That you know that gets
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: somebody pregnant could change your mind. But it's tough for
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: most voters to accept.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem. What do you do? You really?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Are you really? Are you really on my team? Are
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: you a wolf in sheep's clothing? Is this for you? Is? Look?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: But the simple truth is, believe it or not, most
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: of these people get into politics. Are you to think
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that was noble? No, it's for a pension, it's for
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a salary, it's for health insurance.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: More get into it for that that I used, I yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: there was a long part of me that used to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: think that there was the same way, and I used
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I used to look at the state of Florida. I mean,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: have you seen what an election supervisor, an elected election
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: supervisor's pension can be after you win a second term.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And have you seen the double dipping that goes on?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But you know they they're here and there. It's like
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I remember when you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Know, and these are county offices. Think at statewide pensions.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: The dirty little secret is nobody's in it for us.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: They're only in it for them or for ego. You know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm Rick Scott, I'm worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go get some respect after
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: taking the fifth of zillion times. There's a lot of both,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: But there's really not what I used to think about.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I used think about politicians. I was
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: like our fan bounding fathers, who were you know, doing
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: this for us, take risking their lives for democracy. That's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: not what this is about. I mean, I remember when
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Mike Fosano left the Senate and then ran to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the tax collector in Pascoe County. I'm like, why would
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: anybody want to be the f and I mean, who
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: wants to be the tax collector?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And then you saw the pension, right, and someone.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: The pension and his old house pension and his old
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Senate pension.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And then it all goes together. And then it's the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: last three. It's look, it is there is a reason
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: why so many people want to stay in a local
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: elective right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't drag me to be
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: in the Florida Senator of the Florida House. You couldn't.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It couldn't. I mean, I mean.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: The diority to this, John is the people that deserve
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a pension in state government are not the electeds. It's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: usually it's the unelecteds who are stuck having to work
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for the next person that gets elected.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Right. But that that is why people go into politics.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: They go into politics. They like to be popular, which
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: is good. You know, hey mayor, hey mayor hey HEYI
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and then they get to get and then once you
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: get into the House, now you've got an a ID.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You can roll that right into the Senate. Once you
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: get into the Senate, you can roll that back to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: local tax property. I mean, there's a bunch of supervisor
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of elections. And then and then, as you see under DeSantis,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: he's appointed all of his cronies to be the presidents
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of our universities. I mean, you you know, forget the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: other pinchons. All of a sudden, somebody who doesn't, who
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: could probably not even pass the SAT score to get
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: into their university, is now the president of that university.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And you'd watch it and it is just perversion politics,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: which makes everybody hate politicians.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So Jolly, Donalds, are you gonna help Jolly or are
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You're not sure yet?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Uh? I don't, I'm you know, I'm talking. I'm going
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to talk to both of them. I had, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Donald's a little bit a little bit, and I know
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Jolly a little bit. You know, my my allegiance was
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to Jerry Demis, even though I didn't think he had
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a snowballs chance in hell, and I don't think he
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: had that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I think I had a better chance in a general
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: than people realize, especially with a very upset African American
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: community about voting rights.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: You are telling Noah about the flood. Yeah, so I
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: do too, And plus you know, the Demians are from
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: my town. I've you know, I've represented some of their
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: family members. I was big pro for.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: No that'll be an what if?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: But look, but yeah, so I was. You know, I don't,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to do, and uh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: but I'll do something. What do you know? What you
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: what is your where are you on?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Vinmin Henson in the center rates no chance in hell?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I I interstated, what does that mean? Say that again?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: What it means?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I take it you've told mister Vinman.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: This I just haven't accepted as phone calls.
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  Speaker 1: Jolly has a better chance than Benman, No, in this.
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  Speaker 2: Political environment, no question, Jolly Jolly has Jolly is has
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: curb appeal. By that, I mean you drive up and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you see a car in the showroom, I can see
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that Vin then looks like a car in Cuba. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: mean there's no curb appeal to his candidacy, and nobody's.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have a Florida story.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He just show the story. He's not. He doesn't have
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a look and his story is so nuanced and deep
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: down buried that only political junkies like me and you
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: know his story. So his story is different, and I
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: don't think he has a chance.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: That's tough stuff, do you. You know, it's interesting I've
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: been I have this comparison of the you know, Florida
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and Texas. If the Democrats are going to be competitive
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: in the next twenty years, they're going to have to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: figure out how to get competitive in one of those
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  Speaker 1: two states, not both of them, but one of the two.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And for when they were competitive in Florida, they could
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: win presidential elections when they haven't been. You know, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Texas Democratic ticket is super liberal, the Florida Democratic ticket
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: much more moderate. Yet the Texas ticket looks more formidable wife.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Than the Florida ticket because the candidate is charismatic. Look,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, you know, even to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: my friend Jim Messina, you can't out coach recruiting. I mean,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I don't care who the campaign manager is. I could
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: have elected Barack Obama because Barack Obama was just a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: force of nature. The guy in Texas is kind of
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: similar to you think, so that not No, nobody's Barack Obama. Yeah, nobody.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Even Bill Clinton has a different deal, but he's but
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: nobody's Barack Obama. But that guy has something. And Beto's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: show what could be possibly when you got close? Uh.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: But the ironical thing about it all is you're talking
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: about Texas and Florida. But the but the real path
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to watch is Iowa. To watch what's.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Going on that that I agree with that that's of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: all three rats states, Iowa was the one most likely
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to elect to Democrats.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But isn't that but but but but if I was
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: doing autopsies and they don't have the electoral votes, I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: understand that. But if I was doing an autopsy and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like, what is it that Iowa did that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: we didn't do? Why are they competitive all of a sudden? Yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and nobody's you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Know, it's interesting, But John is actually a similarity between
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: all three states. Oh yeah, all three states have hammered
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: public education where the Republicans have decided to privatize it
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: in some form or another. And what you have in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Iowa is rural backlash. Because I always say this, where
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: school choice is great when you live but if the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: next school to pick from is forty miles away, that's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: not much of a choice. And you know, rural islands,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and frankly, I think rural Texans field this way because
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this has divided the Texas Republican Party and I know
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: from my own experience that been's happening in the places
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that I care about in Florida, both of the Northwest
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Corner end down in Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Is is that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Whatever choice you're offered, you don't have a lot of
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: accountability with that. And so the idea sounds great, Yeah,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I want more choice. The execution of the plan has
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: been a disaster. It's what turned Kansas blue, and it
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is why Iowa. I mean, this was you know, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: she the governor there said and she borrowed from the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Dessanta's playbook. Greg Abbott has made it a huge thing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I do think it's all grounded in education, and Iowa, frankly,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: is just a little more. I just think that the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: electorate is just easier to get to on one message
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: than either Florida or Texas because of the size.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But I'll take it a step further on education because
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I've been very close with this guy for his whole
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: career is Andy Basheer. Andy Basheer beat Bevan because Bevan
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: turned on public school teachers. Period into story. Yeah, I
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: wrote a gigantic check to Andy the week before he
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: won by five thousand votes. I know that campaign inside
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: now because I was involved in it. And he won
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: because Bevan turned on teachers. And when you turn on teachers,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: akin to what you're saying about Iowa. And by the way,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: when we're talking about money, let's understand this about charter schools.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's not about choice. It's about money. It's about people
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: owning charges, us making the money on the real estate.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: You know. It is taking money from the government and
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: giving it to fat cats to have these bs. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: when you look at the how the children do in
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: charter schools, the jury is not very kind to the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: end results.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: But there is no discernible difference between Basically, the outcomes
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: are the same impacts, which is, if there's parent involvement,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: outcomes are good. If there's parent not involvement, it doesn't
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: matter whether it's public school or charter school or private school.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Listen, an a school is where you have parents with
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: a involvement and an F school is the school that
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: has parents with f involvement, because listen, I still have
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: PTSD from my children's spelling tests. You know in the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: third grade where you're sitting there, you know, writing purple
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: one hundred times before they finally frigging out how to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: spell purple. And then you wake up in the morning
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and you're driving to cool and you're like, okay, purple e.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: You the last thing they say when they get out
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: of the car pu r p l E. You're like yes,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and you're drained from the ten words the night before.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And I had four of them, and they did and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they didn't process well either. I didn't had a bunch
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: of I didn't have a bunch of braindy acts. We
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: had to you know, go go, go, go go, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: uh yeah. But but I was heavily involved with my children.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I used to tell them, all b's are your enemies,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and A and a B is a three point five
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and A and two b's is you know, three point
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: two and A and three b's. You're going to junior college.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: All right, that's the rules. Just go and you have
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to keep doing it. I mean it starts in the
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: ninth grade.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: How would you message against the property tax initiative that
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Ron De Santis hopes to put on the ballot, because
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's a tough thing to message against. I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: think people won't like it if it gets passed. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I understand why it'll sound appealing to voters at first.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Listen. I'm in the marketing business for I got restaurants,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I got hotels, I got a lot of business. The
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: number one word in marketing in America is free, buy one,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: get one, kids eat. The second best word in America
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: is money. The two best words together in America are
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: free money. He's offering us free money, and we are
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: selfish enough to say we don't care how we get it,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: just give me mine. What's happened in America over the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: years that I see is we're not interested in us.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: We're interested in only me. You know, I got a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: brother who's a dentist, and his whole one issue taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: And he's furious at the Simolians in Minnesota. Why he's
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: picked those to be his you know who he's upset about.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: The graphs with the Somalians and Minnesota is what drives Mike.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But it'll it could pass, but the problem is going
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to be like Brexit when.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Good luck for implementing it. I mean, nobody's going to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: know how to do it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Brexit. Ten years later, it will
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: be you we going from the most desired state in
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the country. I mean, all the billionaires are moving here,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: everybody's coming here. If it's not broke, don't break it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Why he wants to break it is for one reason.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I think, for maybe a future somewhere but his, but
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: his windows are getting closed out on him.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Look, I accept it. I actually think he believes in
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the notion of starving the beast, which has always been
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a one of the movements. I think, you know, some
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: times sometimes we try too hard to assume some negative motive.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I think its motive is real.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I think he thinks government should be smaller and not
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: around on the local level.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, good luck with that.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: And when somebody has a heart attack in your house
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and you call up the empt and they're like, that's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, you need to give us a credit
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: card before we're going to come to your house, because
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know how else we're going to be paying
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: for these things. They're gonna they're gonna probably ask for
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: payment in advance. I'm I'm sort of half joking, but
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I think I'm outlining the television ad. I'd be running
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: against this initiative, which is, hey, this will be great
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: until you've got to slap down a credit card authorization
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to guarantee the cops come into your house, or to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: guarantee the ambulance come in to your house.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: But the promise of free money. And by the way,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: property taxes might be one of the I mean, the
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: mortgage is the number one expense every year, but property
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: taxes is right behind it. Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Well, look, the problem is, how does Florida fund its
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: government If you have no income tax and you're in
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a property taxes, Oh, you gonna have a twenty five
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: percent sales tax. Is that what we're staring at? You
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: guys going to become Europe and the vat tax. There'll
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: be a Florida that they don't care. Listen, bricks, look
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: at bricks at ten years later where all those people.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Here's something I'm convinced of. I'm convinced in Texas that
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the voters there would vote to secede from the Union
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: if it went on the ballot. I a close because
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I actually believe let's just see the country of Texas
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and let's do it our way. And I believe there'd
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: be enough voters in Texas to secede from the Union.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And I've thought about that before, and I think about
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: it because I looked at brixit, I mean bricks. It
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: made no sense at all. I read an article the
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: other day in The Atlantic cook about ten years after
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Brexit and what a disaster, What a disaster that has been.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: It's the same kind of disaster waiting to happen. But
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: the promise of free money is the most compelling argument
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: in advertising. Well, are you really gonna go through this.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Sort of third, this third path of a career here,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: this political path, and not ever run for office yourself?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. I think because you've.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Had the itch.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I've had the itch. But you know, I believe that
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: there should be a time for certain people at a
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: certain age not to run. I don't believe that if
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: you're seventy five now, this wouldn't affect me. But I
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: believe that if you're will be seventy five during your term,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you should not be allowed to run again. I mean,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: this government is for the future, not for today, and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: people when Mitch McConnell's up there drooling and Diana Feinstein
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't know where she is and we're wheeling people in
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and comas to cast votes, it's just gross. It's just gross.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And there should be a limit on the time because look,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I know that for term limits, because I'm guessing you
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: weren't always I'm term limits. Yes, I used to not be.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I used to not be term limits because I didn't
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like the idea of lobbying.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Think it's been totally damaging in time. I believe term
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: limits have made the Florida legislature in particular a joke.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It's run by lobbyists, it's run by outside interests, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that's where I struggle with term limits. I understand the appeal,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: but it's like, it's like this property tax reform, careful
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: what you wish for, because you know who doesn't have
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: term limits. Lobbyists don't have terminaloments, right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: That's that was what I was saying, is we've given
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: the more power to special interest with term limits. Now
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: on the flips, I do not believe a guy like
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell should be in office. I do not believe
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: that Jerry Nattler should necessarily still be in office. There
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: is a certain time where it's time. Listen, FBI agents
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: have their guns taken. It's fifty nine. Airline pilots lose
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: their wings at sixty or sixty two. CEOs are capped
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: out at sixty five. There is something biological. Now there's exception. Look,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: there's a Nancy Pelosi for every rule.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I mean that girl, well, Warren Buffett, I mean, look
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: at Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: You know, all of us. I mean, there is Nancy
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Pelosi and Ted Kennedy at the end and all of them.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: But there's only a very few of them. The general
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: rule is, let's take the guns away at fifty nine,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: because generally speaking, it's a bad idea, all right.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Is the ten hour flight to Hawaii really worth it?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Over the Caribbean? It is.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Listen, first of all, when I come from when I
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: leave here and go back to Florida, it's only seven
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and a half hours with a tail wet, all right,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: But it is worth it because where I live is
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: where I believe God lives. If there was a heaven
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: on Earth, it would be right here. In Maui, Hawaii,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: which is the newest land mass on the face of
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the earth. The colors are more vibrant. The air, my
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: son in law says, tastes like baby air, like it
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: was just born. And in the winter time when the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: whales are jumping in my backyard here, it's like having
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: dinosaurs coming out of the water. It's prehistoric. It is
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: if I die, I hope I get to walk right
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: out this back door here and across to Lenai because
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: this is where heaven is.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Well, the Maui Chamber of Commerce, thank you. That was.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And you know I represented, I represented, I represent fire. Yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: we settle that case for four point seven billion dollars.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Right below me here, Chuck is where the Heighth of
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Fires were. And coincidentally, my son Dan got married here
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: in November. Everything burnt down except for the Catholic Church. Everything. Wow,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: everything burnt down except for the Catholic Church. And when
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I asked the priest, I said, do you think it
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: was a coincidence or America? He goes, oh, it was
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: a miracle.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Well, let let Pope Leo know.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Oh well, all right, all right, John, good to catch up.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I appreciate your support of this keeping everything I'm doing free,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: which is my goal.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: So thank you, sir, you're a very talented guy.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you brother,