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OJ SIMPSON SPINNING IN HELL: FORCED TO PAY $58M TO MURDER VICTIMS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. O. J. Simpson spinning in
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Speaker 1: hell tonight, forced to pay fifty eight million dollars to
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Speaker 1: his murder victims. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 3: Can you send some one to my house or my
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Speaker 3: ex husband or my husband. He's broke into my house
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Speaker 3: and he's ranting and raving. Now he's just walked out
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Speaker 3: the front yard.
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Speaker 4: And know that he's crazy.
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Speaker 1: You know, just looking at him makes me sick. The
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Speaker 1: one thing that makes me feel a little bit better
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Speaker 1: is I know he is spinning out right now and
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Speaker 1: hell with Satan, having to be forced to pay out
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Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars to his murder victims' families, This
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Speaker 1: after he stonewalled over thirty years, engaging in all sorts
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Speaker 1: of nefarious activity to avoid paying the families of the
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Speaker 1: two people. He don't look at me and smile. Take
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Speaker 1: that down. I don't even want to see that. He
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Speaker 1: tried every move he could to avoid paying them, and
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Speaker 1: he swore he would never pay them. This as he
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Speaker 1: lived the high life. A mansion in Florida, another home,
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Speaker 1: I guess, a vacation home, playing golf on beautiful golf
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Speaker 1: courses every day, being guests and expensive restaurants hotels all
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Speaker 1: across the world. Let's see a shot from our friends
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Speaker 1: at TMZ of Orenthal James Simpson partying a hearty this
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Speaker 1: as he knows. Oh yeah, there you go. He would
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Speaker 1: find one Nicole Brown look alike after the next. We've
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Speaker 1: got clips of him partying all over the world, clips
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Speaker 1: out the Yunion. Why didn't he have a job to
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Speaker 1: pay off his debts? Again, that's from our buddy Harvey
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Speaker 1: Levin over at t m Z. Let's get down right
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Speaker 1: to it. This is where it all starts.
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Speaker 4: Listen, can you send someone to my house? What's the problem?
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Speaker 3: My ex husband or my husband just broke into my
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Speaker 3: house and he's ranting and raving. Now he's just walked
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Speaker 3: down the front yard and no, but he's crazy. What
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Speaker 3: what's you wearing right now? Pants and a shirt?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard so many nihl on one calls from
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Speaker 1: Nicole Brown. Some of them have him beating the door down,
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Speaker 1: screaming at her, trying to just get through a lot
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Speaker 1: door so he could attack her. And let's take a lesson.
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Speaker 3: Someone over here now, three two five, Bretton agree he
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Speaker 3: was back?
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Speaker 4: Please? Okay? What does he look?
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Speaker 3: Okay, gentleman, I think you know his record?
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Speaker 4: Be over here? Okay, what is he doing there? He's
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Speaker 4: throw him over? Wait a minute, what kind of cornby?
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Speaker 3: He's in a white Bronco broke for that story.
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Speaker 4: I'll wait a minute.
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Speaker 3: What's your name?
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Speaker 4: Okay? Is he the sports capter or whatever? Yeah? Okay,
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Speaker 4: what did you? Just wait a minute? What is he?
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Speaker 4: Jo Brettan?
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Speaker 5: He's Joe yelling at you?
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Speaker 4: You damn Okay.
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Speaker 1: To John Bueller joining us former detective adestopd. You know
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Speaker 1: him well. He is one of the elite detectives that
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Speaker 1: put Scott Peterson behind bars. Peterson behind bars tonight, having
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Speaker 1: a glass of Pruno and plotting his next appeal. Do
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Speaker 1: you hear Simpson in the background screaming and beating on
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Speaker 1: the door? Do you hear that? I hear it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: And this falls into the tail end of the domestic
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Speaker 6: violence cycle that people go through, whether they're famous or
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Speaker 6: not famous, And of course in this one there was
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Speaker 6: a lot of fame involved in it. But if you
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Speaker 6: back up the clock and you take a look at
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Speaker 6: the relationship between Nicole and Oj, he even started pushing
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Speaker 6: her a little bit when they were dating, when she
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Speaker 6: was eighteen and he was thirty. There would be little
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Speaker 6: things that he would do that she apparently didn't think
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Speaker 6: much of, and she let it go. And this is
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Speaker 6: the problem that we run into with a charming person.
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Speaker 6: The devil walks amongst us, usually disguised in a pretty
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Speaker 6: good look and frame, but they push every time, and
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Speaker 6: they get away with it. They'll push a little bit further,
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Speaker 6: and eventually it ends up like this, And it's not
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Speaker 6: the only one. We've had many of them.
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Speaker 1: From the beginning of that evening, before Nicole and Ron
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Speaker 1: were slaughtered in the front yard, Simpson was angry. Now
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Speaker 1: you hear my old co anchor Johnny Cochrane trying to
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Speaker 1: smooth it all over in front of the jury.
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Speaker 2: Listen, is missus Simpson kissing Denise Brown kiss mister Nitha
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Speaker 2: Brown is mister Lewis Brown was talking to a friend
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Speaker 2: that's his son Justin let me kisses.
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Speaker 7: After Sydney's dance recital, Nicole, the children, and her family
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Speaker 7: leave Simpson behind at the school and go to dinner
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Speaker 7: with friends at Metzaluna and Brentwood. Nichole's mother accidentally leaves
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Speaker 7: her glasses behind. And Ron Goldman, a friend of Nicole
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Speaker 7: who works at the restaurant, volunteers to drop the glasses
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Speaker 7: off at Nichole's house. Leaves metz Lena at nine forty
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Speaker 7: five pm.
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Speaker 1: Not closing arguments from our friends at Court TV So
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Speaker 1: to You, Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Alexis he was already stewing because he did not get
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Speaker 1: invited to the family dinner after Sydney's recital. That started
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Speaker 1: the whole thing.
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Speaker 8: That was right they he wanted to go to dinner
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Speaker 8: with them. Nicole at this point was done with him.
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Speaker 8: She had been calling nine to one one over ten times.
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Speaker 8: She keeps calling. She keeps saying, you've got to come
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Speaker 8: and help me. This man is going to kill me.
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Speaker 8: He's here. He's breaking down the door. He's hitting me.
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Speaker 8: You've been here in the In one of the calls,
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Speaker 8: she's screaming. You can actually hear him hitting her. So
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Speaker 8: he she says, no, you're not coming to dinner. I'm
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Speaker 8: going with my friends and my family. She goes to dinner.
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Speaker 8: Two hours later, Nicole Brown is dead.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry joining US president founder SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong, Shannon,
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Speaker 1: I misspoke. I said this is what started it. But
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Speaker 1: in domestic abuse, nothing that the woman, typically a woman does,
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Speaker 1: is the reason for the abuse. Him not getting invited
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Speaker 1: to dinner that night after the recital was an excuse
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Speaker 1: because the beatings, the torture, the verbal abuse, the beatings
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Speaker 1: to near death actually are not triggered because he didn't
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Speaker 1: get invited to go out with his mother in law.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to beat her, he wanted to kill her.
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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the family get together.
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Speaker 9: It has nothing to do with the family get together,
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Speaker 9: and it has everything to do with the fact that
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Speaker 9: this man was in control of her. We have to
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Speaker 9: start thinking of these victims as people that are inside
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Speaker 9: of cages. Can't see the bars from the outside, but
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Speaker 9: the bars are very much controlled. They are control over finances, children,
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Speaker 9: your every move, your mind, your body. They're stalking, they're intimidating,
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Speaker 9: and any opportunity to be violent and execute more power
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Speaker 9: and control over the victim is exactly what they'll do,
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Speaker 9: and this was a perfect opportunity for him.
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Speaker 1: The evening progresses.
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Speaker 10: Not invited to family dinner at Mezzaluna, Simpson grabs McDonald's
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Speaker 10: with his house guest, Kaylin Cato. The pair returned to
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Speaker 10: Simpson's home around nine forty pm. Around ten forty pm,
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Speaker 10: Kaylin here's several thumps outside his room and goes to investigate,
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Speaker 10: but gets distracted by the limo waiting outside. Simpsons gate
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Speaker 10: hired to take him to the airport.
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Speaker 7: A neighbor sees Nicoll's white Akita Cato wandering the neighborhood alone, barking, agitated,
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Speaker 7: and on closer inspection they notice he has bloody pause.
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Speaker 7: The neighbor follows Cato to investigate, discovering Nicole and Ron's bodies.
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Speaker 7: At twelve ten as joining.
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Speaker 1: US high profile defense attorney celebrity lawyer Chris Melcher. He
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Speaker 1: is a partner at Wallzer, Metcher and Yode. Chris, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You know I've started timelines,
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Speaker 1: criminal timelines and a lot of odd ways. It can
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Speaker 1: be from a photograph. It can be from a nav
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Speaker 1: system when a car is turned off and we know
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Speaker 1: that moment. It can be from a watch that's broken
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Speaker 1: at the time of a murder or attack. There are
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Speaker 1: many ways to start a criminal time line. This timeline
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Speaker 1: was actually started with the dog out willing, and the
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Speaker 1: witness at trial referred to the dog as emitting a
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Speaker 1: woful cry unlike anything the neighbor had heard before, a
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Speaker 1: plaintive cry.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that really speaks to the horrific nature
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Speaker 11: of that crime scene, but also Nicole's nature and having
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Speaker 11: this pet that of loved her and was experiencing this
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Speaker 11: crime scene and what happened to Nicole and really calling
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Speaker 11: for help. So there's a lot of richness there in
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Speaker 11: the prosecution, you know, kind of relating that story in
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Speaker 11: the timeline, and it is confounding, you know, to think
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Speaker 11: that after all of this evidence, these nine to one
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Speaker 11: to one tapes, that he was acquitted in the criminal trial.
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Speaker 11: It's just absolutely amazing looking back at this from so
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Speaker 11: many years.
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Speaker 10: Detectives Furman and Fanatter go to simpsons nearby home to
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Speaker 10: notify him of his wife's death. Furman sees what appears
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Speaker 10: to be bloodstains on Simpson's Ford Bronco and decides to
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Speaker 10: jump the fence to gain access to Simpson's property. Fanat
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Speaker 10: Or declares Simpson's home a crime scene and goes to
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Speaker 10: secure a search warrant for the house.
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Speaker 7: Around seven am, Simpson leaves home at eleven ten pm
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Speaker 7: to catch an eleven forty five flight to Chicago, lands
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Speaker 7: by thirty am, checking into the O'Hare Plaza hotel at
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Speaker 7: six fifteen seven am. Detectives informed Simpson of the murders
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Speaker 7: over the phone and ask him to return to La
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Speaker 7: Simpson flies back June thirteenth and is handcuffed on arrival.
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Speaker 7: Simson his question for hours and investigators photograph a cut
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Speaker 7: on his finger.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing to me, John Bueller, that Furman,
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Speaker 1: if this is part of some conspiracy to convict a
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Speaker 1: beloved sports legend. Furman sees at the beginning bloodstains on
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Speaker 1: Simpson's ford bronco at the very beginning, there's not time
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Speaker 1: to create a conspiracy of any sort, well not.
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Speaker 6: Even remotely, because Simpson, or correction Furman, he didn't even
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Speaker 6: work at Downtown at Robbery Homicide Division. He was a
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Speaker 6: divisional detective in that area, so he didn't even really
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Speaker 6: know laying in vent at it very much at the time.
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Speaker 6: But also his hopping the fence, you can take a
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Speaker 6: look at that, his exigen circumstances, he might have thought
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Speaker 6: that OJ could also be a victim. Nothing really wrong
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Speaker 6: with what he did. There when you take a look
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Speaker 6: at the whole case and you and you go to
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Speaker 6: the conclusion of it, excluding the jury's verdict, there's no
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Speaker 6: exculpatory evidence in this case whatsoever. And when you have
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Speaker 6: a premeditated murder that's carried out, it's going to be
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Speaker 6: rare that you'll have an eyewitness or you'll have a videotape.
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Speaker 6: But when when it comes to this case, there's nobody
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Speaker 6: else that they could ever determined would have any animosity
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Speaker 6: towards Uh that either Nicole or mister Goldman, because there
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Speaker 6: was just nothing there. Everything, every arrow and dagger of
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Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence pointed right back to Oj.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how OJ Simpson, for all
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Speaker 1: these decades managed to avoid paying the Goldmans and the
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Speaker 1: Browns any money on the multi million dollar civil verdict
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Speaker 1: against him. Let's forge forward.
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Speaker 12: Listen reporting, I'm coming up to five three weeks.
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Speaker 4: Okay, right now, we all we all okay, but you
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Speaker 4: gotta telegraph he's back off, He's still alive. He's got
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Speaker 4: to go through it. Okay, Hold on a minute, my god,
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Speaker 4: let me get okay, hold on the moment. There is
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Speaker 4: everything else, Okay, everything right now, go to everything to
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Speaker 4: go all about you want to with mob with Doug. Okay,
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Speaker 4: so that's all. That's all we have got to go
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Speaker 4: to what's your name? You know I am somebody? All right, sir?
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Speaker 1: Hold on this morning, I mean, let's get right down
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Speaker 1: to it. He wants to go to his mother's house. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Cheryl Eric joining us clinical forensic psychologists specializing in
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Speaker 1: cases just like this. Every descendant I have ever had,
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Speaker 1: without fail, the vast majority, when they skip bond, they
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Speaker 1: run home to mommy and hide under the batter in
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Speaker 1: the closet, never fails. Where do you go when you're
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Speaker 1: in trouble? To mommy? And here you have a c
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Speaker 1: callings his wingman telling the police to back off and
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Speaker 1: let Simpson go home to mommy. Really, and he's holding
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Speaker 1: himself hostage.
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Speaker 13: Yes, and we also see that this is another example
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Speaker 13: of a defendant making demands while he's being arrested. And
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Speaker 13: we have seen this over and over again. Power and control.
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Speaker 13: He's going to call the shots, he's going to say
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Speaker 13: what's going to happen next? And calling was helping him.
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Speaker 13: I mean we remember well, this low speed chase, it
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Speaker 13: went on and on and on and you know, there
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Speaker 13: was a lot of special treatment for this man. There
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Speaker 13: was a lot of privilege for this man, and you
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Speaker 13: know it. These events were so devastating for the Browns
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Speaker 13: and Goldman family. They've been put through such hell all
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Speaker 13: of these years and it is really something to see
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Speaker 13: this finally come to a head and to see some
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Speaker 13: sort of retribution from Katie.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand something, John Biel or I have never
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Speaker 1: seen someone hold themselves hostage and the police actually go
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Speaker 1: along with it. And this is during the low speed
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Speaker 1: chase with people hanging off bridges with signs that go
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Speaker 1: go jeus free OJ blah blah blah. What was that
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Speaker 1: and why did the police allow it?
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Speaker 6: Well, you got to remember there was a pretty big
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Speaker 6: microscope on LAPD at the time. We've just come out
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Speaker 6: of Rodney King a few years earlier than that, and
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Speaker 6: their actions are going to be scrutinized if OJ happened
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Speaker 6: to commit suicide because they didn't do everything that they
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Speaker 6: possibly could to keep that from happening. The whole world
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Speaker 6: is going to line up against them. So it's one
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Speaker 6: of those things where he got special treatment throughout the
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Speaker 6: time that he was dealt with because of his fame,
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Speaker 6: because of the football link, and because he is very charming,
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Speaker 6: just like so many of these guys are. And when
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Speaker 6: it comes to this, they were kind of put in
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Speaker 6: a bad position because no matter what the dispatch complaint
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Speaker 6: taker did, whatever the dispatchers did, La County Sheriff's Department,
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Speaker 6: and you throw in CHP in there along with LAPD,
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Speaker 6: anything they did that would push OJ to go over
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Speaker 6: the edge would be put right back on top of
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Speaker 6: them a big time. But also, if you really look
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Speaker 6: at it, what guy who didn't kill his wife is
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Speaker 6: going to be doing these kinds of antics. So all
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Speaker 6: of the things that he did after the killing just
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Speaker 6: line up with the fact that he did the killings.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, OJ Simpson absolutely spinning in hell
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Speaker 1: as his state forced to pay nearly sixty million dollars
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Speaker 1: on a civil verdic that happened about thirty years ago
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Speaker 1: that through all of his conniding and scheming he managed
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Speaker 1: to avoid his entire life.
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Speaker 4: Are reporting I have OJ in the car, but you
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Speaker 4: gotta telegraph he's still alive. You've got to go through there. Hey,
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Speaker 4: hold on them allent.
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Speaker 1: Finally, after stonewalling for decades, Simpson's estate forced to pay
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Speaker 1: the families revenge revenge for his murder victims straight out
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Speaker 1: to Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stori's investigative reporter, what happened.
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Speaker 8: After the civil trial? O. J. Simpson was ordered to
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Speaker 8: pay thirty three million dollars to Fred Goldman. He spent
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Speaker 8: over three decades not paying it.
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Speaker 1: O J.
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Speaker 8: Simpson dies and finally Malcolm Laverne, his executor of his estate,
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Speaker 8: said we are going to pay it. The Goldman family
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Speaker 8: submitted an amount. They submitted one hundred million dollars to
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Speaker 8: the judge. The judge said, I think this isn't maliciously,
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Speaker 8: but I don't think these are the right numbers. And
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Speaker 8: the judge has ordered him to pay fifty seven million
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Speaker 8: dollars to the Goldman family.
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Speaker 1: Well, I believe that the Gulman family was including the
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Speaker 1: interest on what Simpson didn't pay for all those years. Listen.
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Speaker 14: The judgment for both families was thirty three and a
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Speaker 14: half million dollars split. Has he willingly paid anything?
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Speaker 13: No.
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Speaker 7: Before his death, Simpson paid just one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 7: three thousand dollars on the thirty three point five million
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Speaker 7: he owed the families of Ron and Nicole, while Simpson
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Speaker 7: was forced to auction his Heisman trophy for about two
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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand dollars and turn over the rights
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Speaker 7: to video game royalties and the unpublished book If I
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Speaker 7: Did It. The former Hall of Famer skirted payments by
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Speaker 7: moving out to Nevada and Florida, where state law prevented
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Speaker 7: the seizure of his NFL pension and residence.
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Speaker 14: Is he has had his life you over all these years,
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Speaker 14: if he's had opportunities to do things Ron didn't.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at ABC, and there were reports Alexis
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Speaker 1: Tereschuk that Ron Golman's father was so incensed over what
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Speaker 1: Simpson was doing that he tried to get payment from Simpson.
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Speaker 1: Because Simpson had a whole ring of cash only businesses,
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Speaker 1: so there was no record of him making money, he
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Speaker 1: was making money hand over fist that Ron's dad, we
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Speaker 1: were told, showed up at a couple of these signing
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Speaker 1: events where Simpson would only sign photos for stacks of money.
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Speaker 1: He would not sign anything related to the murders or
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Speaker 1: his civil conviction, none of that. He would sign things
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Speaker 1: basically anything but that for cash. He would charge people
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Speaker 1: to go play golf with them. He would charge people
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Speaker 1: money to have lunch with him or to have dinner
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Speaker 1: with him. They were all paid events and it had
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Speaker 1: to be in cash. He could make fifteen thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: in a day, and apparently, as the reports go, Goldman
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Speaker 1: tried to go and collect the cash and it was
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Speaker 1: given like a bag of pennies and laughed out this
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Speaker 1: after Ron was butcher crime stories with Nancy Grace. So
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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. How did let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the cash only ring of businesses Simpson ran? What happened?
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Speaker 8: Simpson figured out very early on that if he didn't
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Speaker 8: have a record of any money, then he wouldn't have
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Speaker 8: to pay it because Fred Goldman was relentless in getting
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Speaker 8: justice for his son. So Simpson would have people organize
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Speaker 8: a signing in a hotel room and a private club
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Speaker 8: and a private place, and he would sign autographs. He'd
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Speaker 8: sign pictures from his football days, from his broadcasting days,
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Speaker 8: and people would have to pay cash, and they would
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Speaker 8: literally give him stacks of cash. This doesn't like one
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Speaker 8: hundred dollars, it was thousands of dollars. He would get
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Speaker 8: that first signings if he played golf. You see, he
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Speaker 8: played golf a lot in the Vadi. He was constantly
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Speaker 8: on the golf course. He at one point said he
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Speaker 8: was searching for the killers, and the joke was on
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Speaker 8: the golf course. Ojay No, So the people that played
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Speaker 8: with him, they would have to pay him cash as well.
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Speaker 8: It was never just let's hang out with Oja as
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Speaker 8: a fun time. It was constantly running this cash ring
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Speaker 8: to keep him in a lifestyle that he enjoyed and
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Speaker 8: to make sure that Fred Goldman could never take it.
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Speaker 8: And if he would appear on podcasts, they would pay
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Speaker 8: him cash. Any appearance that oj made, any luncheon that
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Speaker 8: he did, anything with what you would think were friends
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Speaker 8: was just a business transaction, totally in cash in order
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Speaker 8: to wort the settlement that the court ordered him to pay.
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Speaker 1: Chris Milcher joining US high profile celebrity lawyer and partner
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Speaker 1: at a very prestigious law firm. Chris, how did he
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Speaker 1: get away with that? I mean, we're thousands of miles
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Speaker 1: away from where this was happening, but we all know
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Speaker 1: it was happening, even the gold Ones. It was happening
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Speaker 1: cash only, to the tune of fifteen twenty thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: a day.
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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy. This is the problem in court. When you
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Speaker 11: get a judgment, it's a piece of paper and then
22:41
Speaker 11: it's up to you to collect it. And Fred Goldman
22:45
Speaker 11: did pursue OJ and made him kind of live in
22:49
Speaker 11: this underground economy where he was getting cash and it
22:54
Speaker 11: just was very difficult to collect anything. But he was
22:57
Speaker 11: under a microscope. The NFL pensions, though, are protected under
23:00
Speaker 11: federal law called Arissa.
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Speaker 1: Well, Chris, wouldn't the IRS be interested in a cash
23:07
Speaker 1: only ring of businesses? This goes from memorabilia to launches
23:11
Speaker 1: and dinners, to speaking events to podcasts. This guy's making
23:15
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Nobody can take
23:19
Speaker 1: his mansions, So wouldn't the IRS be three inches up
23:24
Speaker 1: his tailpipe on this?
23:27
Speaker 11: Well, that's absolutely right. He was not only failing to
23:30
Speaker 11: pay the judgment, but he's also failing to pay taxes.
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Speaker 11: And we're seeing that in the probate case that's being
23:36
Speaker 11: administered here after his death, that the IRS and the
23:40
Speaker 11: California Franchise Tax Board are creditors of OJ Simpsons. So
23:45
Speaker 11: they're saying they want to get paid and because for
23:49
Speaker 11: these taxes on undeclared income, and it.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't just the cash for golf, Alexis Tereschuk. He had
23:57
Speaker 1: other schemes to avoid paying the rounds and the Goldmans
24:01
Speaker 1: a lot of schemes and he got away with it
24:04
Speaker 1: and everything else his whole life until now, what about
24:09
Speaker 1: his mansion in Florida and a second home in Nevada.
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Speaker 8: Seriously, so Ojsonson, after Nicole and Ron were killed, had
24:20
Speaker 8: got a home in Florida. Florida and Nevada both have
24:23
Speaker 8: laws that you cannot take the home away from somebody
24:26
Speaker 8: in order to pay for civil trials, punishments and things
24:31
Speaker 8: like that. It's a homestead law. And he was very
24:33
Speaker 8: smart about this. He did it specifically in Florida and Nevada,
24:36
Speaker 8: knowing that neither of these two states would allow the
24:38
Speaker 8: Goldmans to take the money from him. So that's what
24:41
Speaker 8: he did. He planned ahead, and he also lived off.
24:43
Speaker 8: He has a SAG pension the Screen Actors Guild because
24:46
Speaker 8: he was in a lot of movies after his football career,
24:49
Speaker 8: and he has a pension from the NFL. Neither of
24:51
Speaker 8: those pensions can be touched for payments for trials and
24:57
Speaker 8: verdicts and things like that. He cannot be to pay
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Speaker 8: that out is his money, no matter what Alexis.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen his Florida home. I'm looking at it
25:07
Speaker 1: right now. It's beautifully manicured, palm trees everywhere and has
25:11
Speaker 1: a private basketball court and has a huge pool with
25:15
Speaker 1: a palm tree overlooking it. It's high tech kitchen fireplaces
25:19
Speaker 1: all around the home. It's really expensive. How come he
25:23
Speaker 1: didn't have to sell that Chris Melcher and pay the
25:26
Speaker 1: murder victims' families.
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Speaker 11: So unfortunately, there are protections in Florida for a home
25:33
Speaker 11: and it's called the Homestead Act, and oj was aware
25:36
Speaker 11: of this. That's why, undoubtedly he purchased this expensive home there,
25:40
Speaker 11: because the Goldmans could not use that home as a
25:45
Speaker 11: source of collecting. It's just protected under law.
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Speaker 1: You're seeing in the background there is Simpson, we believe,
25:53
Speaker 1: at his pool at his home and Emma Wright. Is
25:58
Speaker 1: there a Nevada home? Well, Alexis Tereschuk.
26:02
Speaker 8: There is a home in Nevada. You know, when he
26:04
Speaker 8: got out of prison, he was actually struggling to find
26:08
Speaker 8: a place to live. No state wanted to take him.
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Speaker 8: He was allowed to stay in Nevada and he bought
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Speaker 8: a home in a private gated community, very expensive, very
26:17
Speaker 8: fancy as well, and Nevada has the same law as Florida,
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Speaker 8: and so the Goldmans could not touch this home either.
26:23
Speaker 8: He lived there, he did his daily He got a
26:26
Speaker 8: Twitter account and he would post daily videos from his
26:29
Speaker 8: yard from his home, talked about his lifestyle with his
26:32
Speaker 8: fantasy football picks, and talked about golf.
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Speaker 1: There.
26:35
Speaker 8: You see, this is the Nevada home, and that's where
26:38
Speaker 8: he spent the last of his years.
26:40
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his Nevada home right now. It is
26:43
Speaker 1: directly on a golf course. Simpson's living in a massive home,
26:50
Speaker 1: a Vegas home on a golf course. It's palatial, five
26:55
Speaker 1: thousand square foot and a private Vegas gated community right
26:59
Speaker 1: next to golf course. Now in one of the homes
27:03
Speaker 1: where he was living, it was a home of a
27:05
Speaker 1: longtime friend. Five bedrooms, five and a half bathpool, hot tub,
27:10
Speaker 1: putting grain, twenty minutes from the Vegas Strip. It goes
27:16
Speaker 1: on and on. What I don't understand to you, John Buehler,
27:20
Speaker 1: as how a double killer can live like this when
27:24
Speaker 1: he should be behind bars and never paid the victims.
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Speaker 6: Well, pretty obvious flaw in the system when it comes
27:31
Speaker 6: to stuff like that. I understand the laws set up
27:33
Speaker 6: to protect people's property when they're living there the rest
27:37
Speaker 6: of their life. But at the same time, it would
27:39
Speaker 6: seem that something should be changed on that where he
27:42
Speaker 6: should be forced to give up one of those two
27:44
Speaker 6: homes to the victims' families. On this, I mean, I
27:47
Speaker 6: live in one house. I wouldn't want to. But he's
27:51
Speaker 6: a pretty shrewd character when he's coming up with this stuff.
27:54
Speaker 6: I'm sure he had a team of pretty good lawyers
27:55
Speaker 6: that were advising him on how to get away with
27:57
Speaker 6: this stuff. Not only to get away with the murder,
27:59
Speaker 6: but he got away with not paying for many, many years.
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Speaker 7: More than thirty one years after Simpson is found liable
28:04
Speaker 7: for the deaths of Nicolo and Ron, Simpson's estate finally
28:08
Speaker 7: agrees to pay damages to Goldman's family. Simpson's estate has
28:11
Speaker 7: agreed to pay Ron's father Fred fifty eight million dollars
28:15
Speaker 7: plus interest. It's unclear what spurred the change of heart.
28:18
Speaker 7: Executor Malcolm Laverne previously swearing to never pay Goldman a dollar.
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Speaker 4: Okay, right now, all about you want the dollars, okay,
28:29
Speaker 4: so that's all ours all. We have got a governor
28:32
Speaker 4: the cpture find anything for you know who I am? God,
28:39
Speaker 4: all right, you sure hold on this Lord.
28:42
Speaker 1: In the last days an incredible turn of events. Simpson
28:47
Speaker 1: must be spinning out as his estate forced to pay
28:50
Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars to his murder victim's family. Now
28:55
Speaker 1: he's skated at the criminal trial. As we all recall,
29:00
Speaker 1: I remember this, this is O. J.
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Speaker 2: Simpsons one day in court. By your decision, he controlled
29:09
Speaker 2: his very life in your hands. Treated carefully, treated fairly,
29:15
Speaker 2: Be fair. Don't be part of this continuing cover up.
29:20
Speaker 2: Do the right thing, remembering that if it doesn't fit,
29:24
Speaker 2: you must acquit.
29:25
Speaker 5: In the matter of the people of the State of
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Speaker 5: California versus Orenthal James Simpson, Case number b A zero
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Speaker 5: ninety seven two one one, will the jury and the
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Speaker 5: ambulved and title action find the defendant or Orenthal James Simpson,
29:37
Speaker 5: not guilty of a crime of murder in violation of
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Speaker 5: penal cult section one eighty seven A a felony upon
29:44
Speaker 5: Nicole Brown Simpson.
29:45
Speaker 1: That's for our friends at COURTI the FYI. They already
29:48
Speaker 1: knew what the verdict was because the jurors had been
29:52
Speaker 1: told to gather up their belongings and leave. Long story
29:57
Speaker 1: short that was no surprise. But I guarantee you, Chris Melcher,
30:04
Speaker 1: never ever, should a defendant be allowed to perform an
30:09
Speaker 1: experiment in front of the jury that has not been
30:14
Speaker 1: tried before. Why would the state hand over the evidence
30:19
Speaker 1: and have a demonstration. Why would they allow that to happen?
30:23
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you, Melcher, if I had been in
30:26
Speaker 1: that courtroom, I think I could have made that glove
30:29
Speaker 1: fit on Simpson's Virginia ham of a hand. The thing
30:33
Speaker 1: was drenched in blood and dried out. This was a moment,
30:38
Speaker 1: a turning, a pivotal moment, and I got a hand
30:40
Speaker 1: it to Cochrane.
30:42
Speaker 15: It worked.
30:42
Speaker 1: This is from our friends at CNN. It worked, Melcher, Well.
30:47
Speaker 11: It absolutely did, Nancy, And that was just a huge
30:49
Speaker 11: tactical error by the prosecutor and by the trial judge,
30:53
Speaker 11: because you know, this trial is a search for the truth,
30:56
Speaker 11: and this courtroom experiment was designed to yield this result
31:03
Speaker 11: where the glove doesn't fit because he's not making it fit.
31:07
Speaker 11: He's also wearing a surgical glove underneath it. And then
31:10
Speaker 11: it gives us great line for Johnny Cochran to say,
31:13
Speaker 11: if he doesn't fit, you must acquit, so that was
31:16
Speaker 11: a pivotal moment in the case for the prosecution to
31:20
Speaker 11: lose it Man big time.
31:23
Speaker 1: But just one year later, a very different scenario.
31:30
Speaker 7: One year after a civil trial begins, the families of
31:33
Speaker 7: Nicole and Ron sue Simpson for wrongful deaths. The civil
31:37
Speaker 7: trial lasts five months, twelve person jury finding OJ Simpson
31:40
Speaker 7: responsible for the murders and awards eight point five million
31:44
Speaker 7: dollars to Ron Goldman's parents and determined Simpson should pay
31:47
Speaker 7: twenty five million impunitive damages to both victims families.
31:56
Speaker 1: Crime stores With Nancy Gray, can we talk about Simpson's
32:03
Speaker 1: failed polygraph the polygraph that was admitted at the civil trial.
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Speaker 15: You know, it's amazing, Nancy, how at a civil trial
32:13
Speaker 15: you have a different a different level of what can
32:17
Speaker 15: be used and what cannot be used in that actual trial.
32:20
Speaker 4: So o J.
32:21
Speaker 15: Simpson's polygraph test, which of course never would be in
32:25
Speaker 15: a criminal trial. It gets led into the civil trial
32:29
Speaker 15: and OJ Simpson flat out plunks the test, and you know,
32:34
Speaker 15: it becomes a big deal because it said he deitely.
32:38
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, stop stop stop, Dave Matt, did you
32:42
Speaker 1: say he flunks? That would bring to mind a zero
32:47
Speaker 1: at worst Dave mac you are certainly airbrushing the truth.
32:52
Speaker 1: You're putting perfume on the pig. He didn't make a zero,
32:54
Speaker 1: He made a negative twenty four. Please, you're the investigative reporter.
33:01
Speaker 1: Why am I feeding you the facts? A negative twenty four?
33:05
Speaker 1: That's how badly he lied.
33:07
Speaker 15: It was considered definitively deceptive, and it was a secret
33:13
Speaker 15: lie detector test that he took two days after the
33:16
Speaker 15: murders took place. As you mentioned, on a scale where
33:19
Speaker 15: a minus six score indicates border line deception, his was
33:24
Speaker 15: way beyond that and intodefinite deception. And his answers to
33:29
Speaker 15: questions surrounding the killings of Nicole and Rod.
33:32
Speaker 1: Chris Melcher civil and criminal celebrity lawyer. Of course, unless
33:38
Speaker 1: both parties stipulate to a polygraph ahead of time before
33:42
Speaker 1: the polly is taken, pollies are not allowed. Lie detectors
33:46
Speaker 1: are not allowed in criminal trials for the most part,
33:49
Speaker 1: across our country. Civil cases are a far different matter. Now,
33:54
Speaker 1: did you hear what Dave Max said. He mentioned a
33:59
Speaker 1: subtle but important distinction. He stated that this polly on
34:05
Speaker 1: which Simpson made a negative twenty four worse than a zero.
34:11
Speaker 1: It was a private polygraph. What does that mean? That
34:15
Speaker 1: means it was a defense polygraph. The state would have
34:19
Speaker 1: sent him to a state recognized polygrapher, one that they
34:23
Speaker 1: use all the time. I think you would agree with that.
34:25
Speaker 1: So this is a private polygraph. And even with the
34:29
Speaker 1: defense making up the questions and administering softball questions to Simpson,
34:37
Speaker 1: he failed. He did worse than failing. He went into
34:41
Speaker 1: negative double digits. That's how badly he lied. And you know,
34:46
Speaker 1: I know, Johnny Cochrane, God rest his soul. He had
34:50
Speaker 1: Simpson ready, the defense had him ready to take that
34:56
Speaker 1: polly and he still failed. That's like knowing the questions
34:59
Speaker 1: on the tap Melcher and still failing.
35:03
Speaker 11: That's right, I mean, because he was guilty. And also
35:08
Speaker 11: I'm just really surprised that they even allowed him or
35:11
Speaker 11: even thought about taking a polygraph test because they didn't
35:16
Speaker 11: bear any burden at the criminal trial and to expose
35:19
Speaker 11: him to any statements or any testing. I'm just again
35:22
Speaker 11: really surprised that any attorney would think that he would
35:26
Speaker 11: pass this thing. But obviously he didn't. And the civil
35:31
Speaker 11: jury got it right, the criminal jury got it wrong.
35:35
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, Dave Mack, I'm thinking about it,
35:38
Speaker 1: and Cochrane didn't join the defense team until later. So
35:41
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if Cochran had been there at that moment,
35:44
Speaker 1: there is no way in h L he would have
35:47
Speaker 1: let Simpson take a polly. Now, granted, under Brady the Maryland,
35:53
Speaker 1: let's put it in a nutshell, Melcher Brady the Maryland,
35:57
Speaker 1: the state must hand over for all exculpatory evidence to
36:03
Speaker 1: the defense. A Brady violation is when the state fails
36:06
Speaker 1: to do that for whatever reason. However, if the defense
36:09
Speaker 1: has something damning against their own client, they do not
36:13
Speaker 1: have to hand it over to the state.
36:15
Speaker 11: Well, that's right. And because the criminal defendant OJ in
36:18
Speaker 11: this case bears no burden, he has a right to
36:21
Speaker 11: remain silent. He doesn't have to produce evidence against himself
36:24
Speaker 11: unless it's physical evidence of a crime that's in his possession.
36:27
Speaker 11: So they can do these tests like a polygraph test,
36:31
Speaker 11: just to see internally like how he might fare. But
36:35
Speaker 11: it's the prosecution that has the burden to turn over
36:39
Speaker 11: exculpatory or evidence that potentially could lead to him being
36:43
Speaker 11: not guilty, because that's just fair. Otherwise we could end
36:47
Speaker 11: up convicting someone who's factually innocent.
36:51
Speaker 1: And I tell you what I think happened, Chris. I
36:54
Speaker 1: think that for the civil trial, the plaintiffs, who would
36:59
Speaker 1: be the Goldmans in the Browns, you know, filed their
37:02
Speaker 1: motion for discovery and they got the results of the
37:06
Speaker 1: polly that he failed. That's how they got it because
37:10
Speaker 1: this was a defense polly. It was not a plaintiff's
37:13
Speaker 1: or a state polly. So they had to get it
37:15
Speaker 1: through discovery or they found out about it and subpoenaed it.
37:20
Speaker 1: But however they got it, they got it, and that
37:23
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the civil verdict which
37:27
Speaker 1: we're talking about today because tonight, while O. J. Simpson
37:31
Speaker 1: is having supper with Satan and buil Zebub, you know,
37:34
Speaker 1: he is pod technical legal term that his estate is
37:39
Speaker 1: paying out fifty eight million dollars when he swore he swore,
37:44
Speaker 1: dare I say on the Bible he would never pay
37:47
Speaker 1: the victim's family, never regarding the polly. That's not all,
37:53
Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Do you remember the quote, his words, not mine,
37:57
Speaker 1: Dave Mac. The ugly ass bread molly shoes that were
38:02
Speaker 1: believed to have been worn to night of the murders,
38:05
Speaker 1: based on a distinctive shoe pattern found in blood. Remember
38:11
Speaker 1: the brunomalis he swore he didn't own. Remember that what happened,
38:15
Speaker 1: Dave Nancy.
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Speaker 15: These are size twelve Bruno Molly's shoes. They're actually the
38:20
Speaker 15: Lorenzo model shoe that was found in the blood at
38:24
Speaker 15: the crime scene. OJ tore up and down under oath.
38:28
Speaker 14: He didn't own them.
38:29
Speaker 15: I don't have those shoes. I don't know what you're
38:31
Speaker 15: talking about. However, during the trial civil trial, there's photographs
38:36
Speaker 15: of Simpson wearing the same type of Bruno Molly's shoes
38:41
Speaker 15: that was found the footprint of in the blood. Now
38:45
Speaker 15: here's the key on the Bruno Molly's. They're a rare shoe.
38:49
Speaker 15: There were only two hundred and ninety nine pairs of
38:52
Speaker 15: size twelve Bruno Molly's even sold in the United States
38:56
Speaker 15: at the time, and him claiming that these are ugly
39:00
Speaker 15: ass shoes, doesn't own them and wouldn't wear them. And
39:04
Speaker 15: then they bought the pictures up there and it actually
39:07
Speaker 15: showed him on the sidelines of a Buffalo Bills game
39:10
Speaker 15: where he's standing out there as a celebrity, and there
39:13
Speaker 15: he is wearing the Bruno molly shoes that he swears
39:15
Speaker 15: he doesn't own.
39:16
Speaker 1: And doesn't wear like every good lawyer, Attorney Petricelli, if
39:22
Speaker 1: you remember that name, Chris Melcher laid a trap and
39:27
Speaker 1: Simpson walked right into it. He asked again under oath
39:33
Speaker 1: about the Bruno Molly shoes, and of course Simpson lied.
39:38
Speaker 1: Then he produced a photo I believe it came from
39:40
Speaker 1: the Inquirer magazine. That photoed Simpson walking along the sidelines,
39:47
Speaker 1: hands in his pockets, happy as anything, wearing the shoes.
39:51
Speaker 1: And they are Italian luxury footwear. Who could afford those?
39:56
Speaker 1: Oj Simpson? And there he was busted. The civil jury
40:00
Speaker 1: was sitting there listening to this and fell out.
40:04
Speaker 11: There was so much evidence pointing towards his guilt that
40:08
Speaker 11: being one of them. What are the chances that there
40:11
Speaker 11: is some homicidal person here in the West side of
40:15
Speaker 11: Los Angeles is wearing these expensive Italian loafers and then
40:20
Speaker 11: connecting it the way that it happened here in the
40:23
Speaker 11: civil case, again, we're seeing different evidence, a different jury,
40:28
Speaker 11: a different standard of proof, but this civil jury understanding it,
40:33
Speaker 11: and the criminal jury and again we were all there,
40:37
Speaker 11: we saw this outcome, and it's just so unbelievable that
40:42
Speaker 11: the criminal jury just was led astray and thinking that
40:47
Speaker 11: he was not guilty A photo.
40:50
Speaker 1: Of Simpson in the murder shoes. Now, what I don't understand, Chris,
40:56
Speaker 1: is why that was not introduced at the criminal trial.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm assuming that that the prosecution did not have
41:05
Speaker 11: the evidence of the photographs showing.
41:10
Speaker 1: I don't know.
41:11
Speaker 11: And we also have to remember that thirty years ago
41:15
Speaker 11: is a lot different than today. If they were a
41:18
Speaker 11: prosecution happening today, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence
41:23
Speaker 11: on social media, and we have what citizen journalists or
41:29
Speaker 11: people who are concerned your listeners would be scouring somebody
41:34
Speaker 11: Ojay's social media page if this case was happening right
41:38
Speaker 11: now and finding that evidence and sending it to detectives
41:41
Speaker 11: or the prosecution team. And this is an extension, a
41:45
Speaker 11: community extension of the prosecution by getting that evidence and
41:50
Speaker 11: showing it. But thirty years ago, we didn't have that money.
41:54
Speaker 1: I'm sure they family of the murder victims appreciate it,
41:58
Speaker 1: even though it's decades late, and his cold comfort in
42:04
Speaker 1: exchange for a lifetime without Ron and Nicole, we remember
42:10
Speaker 1: an American hero, Officer Mark Brock Vivian, PD, Louisiana, twenty five,
42:15
Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving
42:19
Speaker 1: fiancee American hero officer Mark Brock. Nancy Grace signing off
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Speaker 1: Goodbye SCAT