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Chuck & Buck 11-12 Hour 3: Cam Cleeland, the QB matchup and all the Sk's.... · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: You're own for Husky football, probably present our weekly visit
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Speaker 1: with the voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland. Oh yeah, Purple,
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Speaker 1: let's go right to you by Warrior Injury Love Battles tested.
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Speaker 1: Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
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Speaker 1: on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R.
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Speaker 2: That's um.
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Speaker 3: Ever gonna want to go to Madison, Wisconsin again Cleveland?
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Speaker 3: Any interested in that ever in the future?
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Speaker 2: M I mean, ye had a We had some great
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Speaker 2: wings with Softy and I at the bar on Friday.
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Speaker 2: It's really good, David spotted I tried some spotted cow.
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Speaker 2: Is that what is called spotted cow beer? It was
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Speaker 2: really good. That was good. So only get it in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 2: So that was good.
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Speaker 4: Fast ball mug halfball game.
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Speaker 2: Was not good. Yeah, football game was was was not optimal?
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, How shocked were you by the way that they played?
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Speaker 2: I I am this is full honesty, and I'm in
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Speaker 2: trans are we on the radio? Okay? On the radio
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Speaker 2: live everywhere? Now? I do not recognize this team on
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Speaker 2: the road. Sometimes, guys, I cannot, for the life of
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Speaker 2: me understand the transparency of what a team can do
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Speaker 2: certain situations. And I know it's experience, and I know
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Speaker 2: it's emotion, and I know you're in situations. If you
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Speaker 2: look at it and finally break down the film and
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Speaker 2: see the way the offense played, the Wisconsin defense is
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Speaker 2: very good. Okay. I have to give a lot of
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Speaker 2: credit to their defense. They are full of some very
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Speaker 2: good talent, they're discipline, they were as advertised, they played
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Speaker 2: the toughest schedule in the country, and that that needs
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit of credit. It just isn't
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Speaker 2: all what Washington didn't do on offense. On the other side,
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Speaker 2: that offense completely flipped from a scheme. They went to
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Speaker 2: a running scheme. The punter had the longest pass play,
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Speaker 2: the most completion yards. They lost their starting quarterback with
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Speaker 2: an injury on the second drive, and then a freshman
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Speaker 2: came in and they wanted It's an ugly, dirty football game,
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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of things to clean up, and
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Speaker 2: mistakes were made capitalized, didn't do a few things that
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Speaker 2: I would have thought Demon Williams. And again, as healthy
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Speaker 2: as this team is, guys going into this game, they
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Speaker 2: come out completely unhealthy. Again, So this is football. There's
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Speaker 2: no sympathy. Okay, I've been through all of it. We
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Speaker 2: all watch football. Football is about injuries and dealing with
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Speaker 2: adversity and playing in one of the worst weather games
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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. You just you deal with it. That's
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Speaker 2: the fun of playing in college football and going on
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Speaker 2: the road, and you got to learn to embrace road
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Speaker 2: games or your program is never going to get over
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Speaker 2: the hump.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I mean, ultimately, there's a lot of things that are
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Speaker 6: frustrating about watching that game, and yet you're right, there's
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Speaker 6: some elements that were involved in different variables. To me,
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Speaker 6: it feels like just if one goes different, if Jonah
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Speaker 6: Coleman doesn't get dinged up, or you can you can
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Speaker 6: give him the ball a little bit more, you'll probably
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Speaker 6: end up finding a way to pull that one out.
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Speaker 5: How is he? Is he good to go? Is he
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Speaker 5: going to be fine moving forward? Do you know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean coming out a halftime coach fish, is
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Speaker 2: you know Denzel fine? Jonahs fine? He had a knee
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Speaker 2: brace on. But I'll be agree with you guys. We
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Speaker 2: could run the football. I mean, I don't know, if
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Speaker 2: you run it, they wouldn't have mattered. I don't think
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Speaker 2: it would have mattered the way they played their defense,
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Speaker 2: the way it was held the false starts behind the sticks.
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Speaker 2: The field position game was tremendous. If you look at
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Speaker 2: the average start line, I think our average start was
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Speaker 2: around the twenty six are twenty six, and I think
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Speaker 2: give you at Wisconsin, they were their own forty eight,
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Speaker 2: if not better. So the field position game was tremendous.
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Speaker 2: And that difference in the flip and you miss a
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Speaker 2: field goal, you go for a forty nine yard field goal,
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Speaker 2: you get it blocked. I know there's questions on that.
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Speaker 2: That's why I'm not the coach. I just call the
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Speaker 2: game and look at it. In retrospect, I would have
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Speaker 2: went for it, but again I'm not the coach. It's
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Speaker 2: or I might even punted it just to try to
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Speaker 2: pin it inside the five yard line, and I don't
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Speaker 2: know that. There's just so many things. It doesn't make
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Speaker 2: any sense because at the end of a half there's variables.
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Speaker 2: But when you perform like that on the road, you're frustrated.
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Speaker 2: Everybody in that locker room is frustrated, the coaches are frustrated.
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Speaker 2: Now you're out of the college football playoff talk and
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Speaker 2: you're trying to bust your butt to finish with these
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Speaker 2: next three games. And they're very important. When you talk
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Speaker 2: about the building of the program.
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Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned the weather. It did look like
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Speaker 3: the game was being played in a like a snow globe,
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Speaker 3: and Luke Fickle looked like it was like bring it out.
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Speaker 3: He was like Fickle the snowman, Like it was like
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Speaker 3: it gave him life. It gave him like energy. On
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Speaker 3: the sideline, See didn't seem to be phased by it
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Speaker 3: at all, but our quarterback was he phased? Was demon
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Speaker 3: Williams bothered by the conditions of the game.
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Speaker 2: Do you think, Yeah, I think, well, who wouldn't be.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't train in that, that's not possible.
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Speaker 2: So you just have to react when you're in games
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Speaker 2: of that nature. It's the mistakes that you look back on.
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Speaker 2: And I always you'll hear me say it every week. Guys,
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Speaker 2: you got to win the six There's six plays in
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Speaker 2: every game that if you flip them in either one direction,
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Speaker 2: there's a completely different outcome. The interception, that's a long interception.
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Speaker 2: That's a major mistake. You drive that football, you get
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Speaker 2: another field goal. You all there's no need to go
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Speaker 2: deep on that second down. You throw it deep, you
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Speaker 2: throw it into double coverage, interception, protect the football inside
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Speaker 2: your own twenty yard line, trying to move it out,
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Speaker 2: you scramble, you're loose with the football. They we turn
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Speaker 2: it over with a fumble right there. Just those two plays, guys,
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Speaker 2: if I take those two changes, even if you protect
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Speaker 2: the football, you get off the field, you punt it,
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Speaker 2: make them go. They get a touchdown off of that turnover.
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Speaker 2: That's it. That's the football game right there, those two plays.
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Speaker 2: So it's a young man learning how to play football
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Speaker 2: in difficult situations. He tried to do it on his
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Speaker 2: own at the end, but they tackled him well, they
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Speaker 2: ran him down. Even on the last play of the game,
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Speaker 2: he tried to make a play, they closed the gap.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's trying to do too much, but
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Speaker 2: I will tell you this, if you cannot run the football,
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Speaker 2: every other team we've played, other than maybe Illinois, has
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Speaker 2: been able to run the football successfully against us, and
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Speaker 2: that managed to control the clocket, did a good job
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Speaker 2: of managing football position and field position. We have not
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Speaker 2: had one hundred yards on the ground with Jonah Coleman
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Speaker 2: since UC Davis. These are the glaring things of the
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Speaker 2: offensive line and the group and now you have Land
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Speaker 2: and Hatchet out drew as a party is now out.
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Speaker 2: You had to pay play Poky Final who was the
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Speaker 2: left guard stepping in for John Mills. He moves to
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Speaker 2: right tackle because Sewani fa Solo had a couple of
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Speaker 2: false starts, they moved him out. So now you went
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Speaker 2: from being the number of the line. Was good And
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Speaker 2: for Land and Hatchet guys to try to play left handed,
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Speaker 2: never seen it in my life. Guys. He played with
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Speaker 2: a club on his right hand, and I embraced the
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Speaker 2: fact that he is tough and he wants to be
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Speaker 2: out there. Gentlemen, there isn't any offensive line in the
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Speaker 2: country that can play with one hand. You have to
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Speaker 2: be able to grab and snap with your left hand.
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Speaker 2: You're not left handed, So that to me was I mean,
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Speaker 2: I applaud his ability to go, but then Henning had
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Speaker 2: to go in and it just is you can't. There's
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Speaker 2: just a lot of things that ended up being flipped
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Speaker 2: on their head a little bit, just.
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Speaker 6: As Cam I mean, going a little bit more into
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Speaker 6: the demon Williams part of it. I mean, there's got
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Speaker 6: to be a fine line, and I'm sure you understand
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Speaker 6: it far more than I do of that, not trying
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Speaker 6: to do too much, but also you need to be
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Speaker 6: the dynamic, you know guy that you are. And yet
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Speaker 6: there's a youth part of it. Obviously he's a young kid.
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Speaker 6: And so how quickly can you close the gap to
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Speaker 6: find where that happy spot that being in the zone
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Speaker 6: part of it where you're throwing the ball. But you
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Speaker 6: also know in the back of your mind you can
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Speaker 6: take off and run when you want or when you
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Speaker 6: need to. How big is that gap and how quickly
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Speaker 6: can that gap close?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's at I watch each game and I get
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Speaker 2: really analytical into the play call and the design and
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Speaker 2: how his patience is. Look, this is this is to
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Speaker 2: me as clear as is day. If you watch him
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Speaker 2: in deep throws or any play action, he has to
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Speaker 2: get five and six yards deep sometimes seven okay, and
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Speaker 2: it can drop all the way into ten sometimes, and
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Speaker 2: that is because of vision. Vision means more depth. So
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Speaker 2: if he does start to run, he's already ten to ten,
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Speaker 2: eight to ten yards back before he starts his scramble. Okay.
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Speaker 2: So if you can't always feel comfortable in the pocket
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Speaker 2: with height and vision, again, it's a real thing. It's
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Speaker 2: not a deterrent it's just a real issue. You have
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Speaker 2: to have designed runs for him, and so you either
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Speaker 2: have to move the pocket, have more boots, have more
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Speaker 2: edge runs, have more move But I can't. I'm not
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Speaker 2: at the point where I can put my finger on
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Speaker 2: exactly what would what the main can It's not concerns
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Speaker 2: to me. It's just running the football changes everything, guys,
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Speaker 2: with a running game, it just does. And I think
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Speaker 2: the way Jed wants to be able to throw the
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Speaker 2: football too, and the elements and the way demand can
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Speaker 2: his vision and he has good wide receivers, but Denzel
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Speaker 2: goes down in the second half, he's not the same
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Speaker 2: intermediate short throws something to get the ball out of
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Speaker 2: his hands faster. I'm not gonna tell anybody how to
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Speaker 2: run their system and their offense. You just need to
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Speaker 2: have more fluidity. But it starts with being able to
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Speaker 2: win by running the football.
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Speaker 3: Well, you always are real with us. I'll be real
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Speaker 3: with you. I think Demon Williams says a lot of
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Speaker 3: things crazy great. I think he has terrible pocket presence,
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Speaker 3: terrible cam uh.
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Speaker 2: I that's I mean, I'm not gonna sit Okay, that's
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Speaker 2: that's fair. Check. Everybody has their own deciphering and how
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Speaker 2: they call and look at an offense. I don't think
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Speaker 2: he has terrible pocket pocket presence. I think he has
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Speaker 2: I think he has what's called it's it's called like
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Speaker 2: there's a time clock in his head when he goes
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Speaker 2: one two, and his eyes immediately go down because it's condensed.
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Speaker 2: And then it's like scatter, I gotta get out. I
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Speaker 2: gotta find a lane. I gotta find a spot. And
10:53
Speaker 2: here's my other thing is that a lot of offenses
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Speaker 2: to have intermediate back protection, but they slide and the
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Speaker 2: back checks down to one side. I don't see a
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Speaker 2: lot of easy like hey, when there's a problem going on, like, hey,
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Speaker 2: where's my back? How do I check it down? Where's
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Speaker 2: my tight end to the check? Where's my easy throw?
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Speaker 2: It's just like if I don't have it and it's
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Speaker 2: not deep, I got to get out of here. And look,
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Speaker 2: that's him learning how to play. But I know being
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Speaker 2: in the pocket for him, he does not feel very
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Speaker 2: comfortable being in the pocket and holding in there.
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Speaker 3: Cam Cleveland is with us every Wednesday. The former Husky
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Speaker 3: tight end legend also color analyst for your Washington Huskies
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Speaker 3: have to talk about I have to ask you about
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Speaker 3: the big topic this week. Jedfish was taking a little
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Speaker 3: bit to task at his press conference about whether or
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Speaker 3: not he's happy here at Washington. He said the right things,
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Speaker 3: and yet people are just convinced that there's smoke, and
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Speaker 3: where there's smoke, you know how the saying goes. So
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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you know? What can you tell us?
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Speaker 3: What do you feel comfortable telling us about this topic?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, I know what you know. I do. I
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Speaker 2: don't have any in depth analysis. I really like Jed
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Speaker 2: as a person. I met him a couple of times,
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Speaker 2: talk to him. I think he is And here's my
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Speaker 2: full on real stance again, I had to preface this
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Speaker 2: is that he was hired to do a job. And
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Speaker 2: every coach in this country is hired to do a job.
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Speaker 2: That's how I look at it anymore. He's hired to
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Speaker 2: coach these young men, recruit, does an excellent job there,
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Speaker 2: does an excellent job talking to the media, is very personable,
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Speaker 2: his staff, like every single one of these guys, They're
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Speaker 2: a joy to talk to. He recruits good kids. He
12:47
Speaker 2: is hired to do a job, and this loyalty facet
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Speaker 2: and does somebody want to stay Heck, I don't even
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Speaker 2: know if I want to stay in my house from
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours to the next. I can't make that
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Speaker 2: kind of jeed. I don't. I might want, I might
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Speaker 2: want new Cereal this morning, Okay, But I do know
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Speaker 2: I like this, and I do know I can I
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Speaker 2: can do this. He knows how to coach football, all right.
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Speaker 2: I'm never ever in the business of telling people what
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Speaker 2: to do or make them feel guilty in any of
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Speaker 2: that nature. I am loyal to the Purple and Gold,
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Speaker 2: and I will be until I take the dirt nap.
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Speaker 2: This will not be. He will not be here for
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Speaker 2: all of my life span, and we will see multiple
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Speaker 2: coaches probably in the future. This where we're at right now.
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Speaker 2: I support the guys and the people that are on
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Speaker 2: that staff. And that's that's what I know, and that's
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Speaker 2: and that's why I embrace every seasons as an opportunity.
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Speaker 2: And I tell each player, man, you guys, get as
13:43
Speaker 2: much as you can, as fast as you can, because
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Speaker 2: this thing flips on ahead. We've dealt with it with
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Speaker 2: coach Pete. We saw with Jimmy Kaylen came in, we
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Speaker 2: thought we found is like Nope, that's out of here.
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Speaker 2: And here we are with Jed. I was under one staff,
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Speaker 2: I was coach as recruiting class and and all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden since new heisl, it's been an absolute flip
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Speaker 2: and flip and flip and flip and flip at this
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Speaker 2: Washington program. And I think that this whole program needs
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Speaker 2: to take a look at what it takes to find
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Speaker 2: the right person. But right now Jed is our guy,
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna support that one hundred percent.
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Speaker 6: How how detrimental is it, because you know, I mean,
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Speaker 6: I don't blame him for giving the talk that he
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Speaker 6: did and saying, you know, basically, I like it here
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Speaker 6: and that's what he's supposed to say. And that doesn't
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Speaker 6: mean he's staying and doesn't mean he's going. He just
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Speaker 6: is giving the thing that he has to give. He
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Speaker 6: has to say what he has to say. And yet
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Speaker 6: he did express the throwing my name into the conversation
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Speaker 6: simply because to some degree you've made the bed of
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Speaker 6: you might be a bit of a nomad. You have
14:44
Speaker 6: traveled around a lot, and yet at the same time,
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Speaker 6: that doesn't mean that you weren't in love with being
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Speaker 6: here and don't want to stay here and so, but
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Speaker 6: he's saying it's unfair or it's it makes my job
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Speaker 6: harder because of the NonStop twenty four seven three sixty
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Speaker 6: five recruiting that goes on in today's game. How difficult
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Speaker 6: does it make that if he's trying to go into
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Speaker 6: a living room and yet they just read an article saying, well,
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Speaker 6: he might want to go on Florida or he might
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Speaker 6: want to go somewhere else. Is it really undercut him
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Speaker 6: in that way?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does. I think it did distracts
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Speaker 2: from what the real real issue is, is that you're
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Speaker 2: trying to hire or your livelihood depends on eighteen to
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Speaker 2: twenty year old young men, twenty two year old young
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Speaker 2: men and guys parents, parents that want something that's parents
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Speaker 2: like I'm a parent to I don't talk to the couch. Hey,
15:35
Speaker 2: how you doing good? See you? That's it. They're men.
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Speaker 2: But the parents, agents, parents, agents, kids agents. It's insanity
15:46
Speaker 2: the crap you have to deal with and to be
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Speaker 2: a real CEO, and that's what he is. He's a CEO. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it does distract from it. His job is to coach
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Speaker 2: young men and win football games. And nobody's going to
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Speaker 2: feel sorry for it, though, because that's that's the business.
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Speaker 2: We're in, very highly compensated, and it's a performance based business.
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Speaker 2: So if you don't perform at a certain level, and
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Speaker 2: everybody's got a voice, right, everybody's got an X account,
16:11
Speaker 2: everybody's got free YouTube. I mean, how many more YouTube
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Speaker 2: podcasts do we need of guys in their basements telling
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Speaker 2: us of what's wrong. I mean, it's all over the place,
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Speaker 2: and everybody's an expert, so these are the voices. The
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Speaker 2: best coaches don't listen and they tune it all out,
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Speaker 2: and the ones that ask and the ones that sit
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Speaker 2: on the game day and they talk about it. That's fine.
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Speaker 2: You have to address it. That's part of your job,
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Speaker 2: all right.
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Speaker 3: Last minute, we should spend at least a minute on
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Speaker 3: produce sixteen and a half point favorites. But coming off
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Speaker 3: your worst performance of the year, we don't have to
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Speaker 3: worry about the boiler Makers.
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Speaker 2: Do we? We should worry about every game from here on.
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Speaker 2: Al gentlemen, I don't make guarantees at any point. I
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Speaker 2: think Purdue's got some good players. I certainly have watched
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Speaker 2: the film. They are two and eight, They've been in
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Speaker 2: some situations. They have a couple of really good athletes.
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Speaker 2: Have to go on the road and play in Husky Stadium.
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Speaker 2: I would like to see an angry Husky football team.
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Speaker 2: But then I don't know what Jonah Coleman is going
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Speaker 2: to look like. Adam Muhammad ran very well. You you
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Speaker 2: don't know what Denzel's gonna look like. So that means
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Speaker 2: your wide receiver room is way down. Okay, if he's
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Speaker 2: done and it I mean we were talking way down
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Speaker 2: the offensive line, what's that gonna look like? All in retrospect, though,
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Speaker 2: our defense played very well. Yeah, so it did some
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Speaker 2: very very good things. Coach Walter's got these guys. They
17:30
Speaker 2: look healthy. The concern now is how much can demand
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Speaker 2: take a game over and and be competitive versus these
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Speaker 2: last three games, because you got to win at home,
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Speaker 2: you got to go on the road, and then you
17:43
Speaker 2: have your biggest game of the year against a very
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Speaker 2: very very good Oregon team who has got a lot
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Speaker 2: of confidence and deservedly so. They've played well. So it
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Speaker 2: just starts this week.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you the man.
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Speaker 3: Great stuff, great stuff, appreciate it. We'll be listening this Saturday.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Fellow's talk soon.
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Speaker 3: at great length. The coaching matchup and how incredible it is, well,
19:50
Speaker 3: no less than credible is this quarterback matchup? I'm not
19:54
Speaker 3: sure if I mean, what would you have said at
19:57
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year had I told you midway
19:59
Speaker 3: through the year Matt Stafford and Sam Donald are both
20:03
Speaker 3: going to be top five MVP candidates.
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Speaker 7: What I would have believed you.
20:11
Speaker 8: This reckless at breakfast, had too much pino.
20:14
Speaker 6: I would have been surprised. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't
20:16
Speaker 6: be crazy surprised. I suppose with with Stafford, oh no, yeah,
20:21
Speaker 6: but both both of.
20:23
Speaker 5: Them, Yes, I would have been. I would have been surprised.
20:25
Speaker 6: And that's a little bit shortsighted on my part, or
20:28
Speaker 6: or apprehensive, I guess would.
20:30
Speaker 5: Be a better word of whether or not Donald was going.
20:33
Speaker 6: To play like he did majority of last year or
20:36
Speaker 6: how he did at the end of last year.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that that short sighted of you at all.
20:40
Speaker 3: I don't think that the resume there was to support
20:44
Speaker 3: that Sam Donald was I mean there was a there's
20:46
Speaker 3: enough resume and enough momentum that supported that maybe he
20:50
Speaker 3: would be better with.
20:51
Speaker 7: Us, as good as he was a year ago, and
20:53
Speaker 7: maybe a little bit better.
20:54
Speaker 3: But I don't think there was anything about his history
20:57
Speaker 3: that suggested he was going to be mentioned with Josh Allen,
21:01
Speaker 3: which right now he's even with in the MVP.
21:03
Speaker 4: Odds in some circles. And that's what.
21:06
Speaker 3: We're dealing with right now in the MVP race, is
21:09
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold's being thought of as having as good a
21:13
Speaker 3: season as anyone in the national Football Again, Matt Stafford
21:16
Speaker 3: is the favorite right now, favorite at MGM, favorite Vegas
21:20
Speaker 3: insider that averages all the different sportsbook He is the
21:23
Speaker 3: favorite right now to win the MVP Award, something that
21:27
Speaker 3: he's never done.
21:29
Speaker 4: This year. I mean, they added.
21:31
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams and we still don't know if devont Adams
21:33
Speaker 3: even going to play in this game.
21:35
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, this is kind.
21:37
Speaker 3: Of crazy because coaches are so tight lipped about injuries.
21:41
Speaker 3: The real place to find information, for some reason is
21:45
Speaker 3: fantasy websites. They I don't know where they get the information,
21:49
Speaker 3: but they're usually more accurate than just about anybody else.
21:52
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're getting it from, but they
21:54
Speaker 3: say that they wouldn't be surprised if he missed a
21:56
Speaker 3: game or two a couple of the fantasy websites. So
21:59
Speaker 3: maybe he's not playing this week. But to have that
22:02
Speaker 3: dual wide receiver thing going right now and Matt Stafford
22:07
Speaker 3: is just he's a pig and pooh these days. I
22:10
Speaker 3: mean the offense, Sean mcvayh calling his plays to elite
22:14
Speaker 3: wide receivers that he has to throw to. I remember
22:17
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year, I said this about
22:19
Speaker 3: our fantasy football draft. Matt Stafford did not get drafted
22:22
Speaker 3: in our fantasy draft, or if he did, it was
22:25
Speaker 3: really late in the process. He was a free agent
22:28
Speaker 3: at one point, and I said, why is he being
22:31
Speaker 3: rated solo? If you're saying Mankua is a first round
22:34
Speaker 3: value and Adams is at worst a third round.
22:36
Speaker 7: Value, who do you think is gonna be throwing them footballs?
22:39
Speaker 3: I mean, he's obviously set up to have a very
22:42
Speaker 3: good season, and right now he's sixth in fantasy points
22:46
Speaker 3: and he's number one in MVP.
22:48
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't think Devanta Adams was going to be
22:51
Speaker 6: quite as good. I kind of felt like he's getting.
22:54
Speaker 5: Ready to go over the hill or on the already
22:56
Speaker 5: on the back side of it.
22:57
Speaker 6: But Pooka Naku, I think everybody read recognized how good
23:01
Speaker 6: he is. And and yet, I mean, when you end
23:04
Speaker 6: up getting halfway through the season and yet twenty five
23:06
Speaker 6: touchdowns to two interceptions, he's.
23:08
Speaker 4: Got five more touchdown passes than anyone else.
23:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he's doing some pretty special things. And
23:14
Speaker 6: again I think that the stats kind of show that
23:17
Speaker 6: they run the ball about the same as the Seahawks,
23:20
Speaker 6: And yet the little bit of that I've watched of
23:22
Speaker 6: Rams football. I watched every snap like I have the Seahawks.
23:26
Speaker 6: But when I've watched it, it still seems it seems more efficient.
23:30
Speaker 5: I don't know why.
23:31
Speaker 6: Maybe it's just highlights than the Seahawks, even though the
23:34
Speaker 6: numbers are about the same.
23:36
Speaker 5: To me, the.
23:36
Speaker 4: Seahawks look like, huh look pretty damn aficion.
23:40
Speaker 6: No not offense, running the ball, running the ball, but
23:45
Speaker 6: their stats are like the same. Basically, they're both somewhere
23:47
Speaker 6: around one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifteen
23:49
Speaker 6: yards per game is what they rush for both teams.
23:53
Speaker 6: And yet it feels to me like Matthew Stafford Stafford
23:57
Speaker 6: and the Rams offense. It seems like the you know
24:00
Speaker 6: how you always say, you know, a balanced offense is
24:03
Speaker 6: when you can run the ball when you need to
24:04
Speaker 6: run the ball, or pass the ball when you need
24:06
Speaker 6: to pass the ball. It feels to me like there's
24:08
Speaker 6: times when I watch the Seahawks offense and as good
24:11
Speaker 6: as it's been and it's been great, that it's like,
24:14
Speaker 6: I really wish we could run the ball right here,
24:16
Speaker 6: and then they don't or they can't or it's just
24:18
Speaker 6: not as efficient that said the balance of Karen Williams.
24:23
Speaker 6: I think also just kind of adds something to the
24:26
Speaker 6: mix where they're not going like a one in one A.
24:29
Speaker 6: They have a distinct number one, and then everybody else
24:32
Speaker 6: that runs the ball after that is different, And I
24:34
Speaker 6: think it opens it up a little bit for Stafford
24:36
Speaker 6: and McVeigh the way they call the game.
24:39
Speaker 3: Well, I see, I keep hearing this, and I would imagine,
24:44
Speaker 3: I would imagine over the long haul more often than
24:47
Speaker 3: not that it is true. And so I know why
24:49
Speaker 3: people are beating this drum. But what I've seen from
24:52
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Seahawks is I don't think Sam
24:56
Speaker 3: Donald needs running a running a effectiveness to be great,
25:02
Speaker 3: and I don't think Sam Darnold needs to spread the
25:05
Speaker 3: ball around the field clear when JSN can't be covered.
25:09
Speaker 3: So I understand that those are sort of cardinal rules
25:13
Speaker 3: that you should try to live by and should subscribe
25:16
Speaker 3: to because history says that that's the way that you
25:19
Speaker 3: are most effective as an offense. But until I see
25:23
Speaker 3: evidence that they have to have this running game that's
25:28
Speaker 3: yet to get uncorked, or they have to incorporate Tory
25:32
Speaker 3: Horton to get more touches during the course of the game.
25:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure that those comments are true. But
25:39
Speaker 3: right now I'm seeing a guy week in and week
25:41
Speaker 3: out that doesn't have an effective running game, doesn't need
25:45
Speaker 3: it to set up his play action pass, and absolutely
25:49
Speaker 3: has eyes for one receiver, and that dude can't be stopped.
25:53
Speaker 7: And so I don't know, I'm not worried about it.
25:57
Speaker 3: I'm not worried that we can't run the football this
25:59
Speaker 3: week against the law Los Angeles Rams. I think the
26:01
Speaker 3: Rams should be worried that they can't cover JSN.
26:04
Speaker 4: That's what I think should be worried.
26:05
Speaker 6: Well, I think both teams have their things to worry about,
26:07
Speaker 6: and I'm with you. I mean, until that time comes
26:10
Speaker 6: that that they don't run the ball and it turns
26:13
Speaker 6: into a mistake filled game or or a game in
26:16
Speaker 6: which the offense doesn't show up. And yet the reason
26:19
Speaker 6: it is a cardinal rule is because eventually somebody's gonna
26:22
Speaker 6: lock JSN down, or he's gonna drop a ball, or
26:24
Speaker 6: there's gonna be a I know that passes.
26:26
Speaker 3: To run the ball with Patrick Mahomes when that offense
26:29
Speaker 3: was really cooking, they that was always an issue with them,
26:32
Speaker 3: and they just passed their way out of trouble.
26:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
26:36
Speaker 6: And you know, I mean, if Sam Darnold can start
26:38
Speaker 6: playing like Patrick Mahomes for a few years.
26:41
Speaker 7: And he is right now, right in front of our freaking.
26:44
Speaker 5: Eyes, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
26:48
Speaker 6: Those eye holes those are showing you, Patrick Mahomes, then
26:51
Speaker 6: do your thing, Sam. I mean, I just think there's
26:54
Speaker 6: you want to be able to lean on the other side.
26:56
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to take away from it, I'm not.
26:58
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the way the newitch he's has
27:00
Speaker 6: been magnificent. It's they're still attempting to run the ball.
27:04
Speaker 6: That's the thing. Like it's he he's not throwing the
27:08
Speaker 6: ball as much as Matt Stafford is, and yet he's
27:12
Speaker 6: got the same amount of yards, right, I mean, it's
27:15
Speaker 6: Pukainaku has more receptions than JSN does, but not even
27:18
Speaker 6: close to as many yards. So it's they're they're passing
27:21
Speaker 6: the ball more, but then when they do run the ball,
27:24
Speaker 6: it's more efficient. Like I remember when I first started
27:26
Speaker 6: doing this, I was talking about the old school saying
27:28
Speaker 6: if you got to run the ball to set up
27:29
Speaker 6: the pass, Well that's not the case anymore. You can
27:32
Speaker 6: pass the ball to set up the run, and I'm
27:34
Speaker 6: just saying I think that they do that. We passed
27:38
Speaker 6: the ball. The Seahawks pass the ball. It just doesn't
27:41
Speaker 6: sometimes set up the runner. It doesn't feel like it's
27:43
Speaker 6: set up the run. And yet they stick with it.
27:45
Speaker 6: They're still handing the ball off and trying to be
27:47
Speaker 6: as balanced as they can be to where you're not
27:50
Speaker 6: getting one sided, and I think that's still smart.
27:52
Speaker 3: Well, they're averaging thirty and a half points per game, Like,
27:56
Speaker 3: I don't think they should change anything even though the
27:59
Speaker 3: running game doesn't look all that effective. I'm just gonna
28:03
Speaker 3: bet that there's something too. Running at that much keeps
28:07
Speaker 3: the defense on its heels and has to keep them
28:11
Speaker 3: honest on play action pass and it is to whatever degree,
28:16
Speaker 3: helping Sam Darnold be as efficient and effective as he's being.
28:20
Speaker 3: So I'm not going into the Rams game saying, Hey,
28:24
Speaker 3: that run game is not working, it's just abandon it.
28:26
Speaker 4: Let's just throw the ball every time.
28:28
Speaker 3: Now, run it as much as you've been running, and
28:31
Speaker 3: set up Sam to be as great as what he's
28:34
Speaker 3: been so far this season, and let's see if that's
28:37
Speaker 3: better than the Rams can put forth on Sunday. I'm
28:39
Speaker 3: certainly not gonna adjust anything, Ashley. In the meantime, I'm
28:43
Speaker 3: not gonna I'm not gonna change things up just as
28:46
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to play my biggest game of the year.
28:48
Speaker 7: No, you can't.
28:49
Speaker 8: And yeah, looking at so, JSN obviously number one receiver, right,
28:52
Speaker 8: and then you've got pukinakuas third. But pukinakup Is yardage
28:56
Speaker 8: and DeVante adams yardage combine only three hundred yards more
29:00
Speaker 8: on what JSN has, and they.
29:03
Speaker 7: And they've both been great, both exactly.
29:04
Speaker 8: But that's what I'm saying, like, and that's only three
29:06
Speaker 8: hundred yards more than what JSN has by himself.
29:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, just do what you're doing, Kobeak.
29:12
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, if it falls on its face
29:14
Speaker 3: against the Rams, then you gotta go back to the
29:16
Speaker 3: drawing board because you're gonna have to beat them eventually.
29:19
Speaker 3: If you're gonna get where you want to go, you're
29:21
Speaker 3: gonna have to get through the rams at some point.
29:23
Speaker 3: But I'm certainly not going to change it up now.
29:26
Speaker 3: I just keep doing what you're doing. Maybe the running
29:29
Speaker 3: game breaks loose, Yeah, maybe it does. Maybe maybe we
29:31
Speaker 3: get a huge ken Walker game that carries the day
29:34
Speaker 3: on Sunday. So keep doing what you're doing. But I'm
29:39
Speaker 3: not gonna change things until I feel like I have to.
29:41
Speaker 3: And right now, this team man's they're just smoking right now.
29:44
Speaker 3: But so are the Rams. That's why it's just a
29:46
Speaker 3: fascinating game. It's micked fantastic.
29:50
Speaker 4: It is all right. Coming up next.
29:53
Speaker 3: Tonight, the cy Young Award will be announced and will
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Speaker 3: out tonight. Not much intrigue to this Cy Young announcement. Yeah,
30:40
Speaker 3: Dan Wilson finished third. We went into it last night
30:44
Speaker 3: not thinking he was going to win, but thought there
30:46
Speaker 3: was a chance.
30:47
Speaker 4: Nobody else really has a chance.
30:49
Speaker 3: We kind of know who's winning the sy Young Award tonight,
30:53
Speaker 3: Trek Scooble's a fifteenth minus fifteen thousand favorite and Skiens
30:58
Speaker 3: minus fifty thousand favorite. So we're gonna have a situation
31:02
Speaker 3: where we've had back to back Managers of the Year
31:05
Speaker 3: in both leagues and back to back cy Young Award
31:09
Speaker 3: winners in both leagues. Wait, minut did Skans win last year?
31:12
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think so?
31:13
Speaker 4: Okay?
31:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, And did show Hey win it last year?
31:17
Speaker 5: Are they last year? Okay? I didn't know.
31:21
Speaker 6: If he still hit eighty homers and stole a ninety
31:23
Speaker 6: seven bases hit the MVP, Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Then,
31:27
Speaker 6: so did Judge win it last year too? Because if
31:30
Speaker 6: it'd be weird, if it's just everybody's back to back
31:32
Speaker 6: to back all across all of the major.
31:35
Speaker 7: Categories, is gonna win?
31:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, well let's hope.
31:38
Speaker 2: So.
31:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, though cy Young wise doesn't seem like
31:41
Speaker 6: it's much of a contest. We we kind of are.
31:44
Speaker 6: We are watching a couple unbelievable dudes. I mean, there's
31:46
Speaker 6: a lot of really great pitchers out there. But Trek
31:49
Speaker 6: school and Paul Sken's kind of just are different, for sure, for.
31:53
Speaker 3: Sure, And we got a little taste of that in
31:55
Speaker 3: the postseason. Even though we had success against him, we
31:58
Speaker 3: didn't have success against him, that makes any sense.
32:01
Speaker 8: Yeah, we beat them, but it wasn't like we were
32:03
Speaker 8: just dominating him.
32:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, just making sure no, no, no, Chris
32:08
Speaker 3: Sale won last year. So strike that from the red
32:11
Speaker 3: It was not Paul Stein.
32:12
Speaker 4: So yes, it was. So Chris Sale won the Cy
32:18
Speaker 4: Young Award last year.
32:19
Speaker 3: And so it won't be back to back in the
32:20
Speaker 3: National League, but it will be back and back in
32:22
Speaker 3: the American League. And I'm wondering, will Trek's scooble show
32:26
Speaker 3: up in a Tiger's hat or a Mariner's hat?
32:29
Speaker 5: Oh?
32:30
Speaker 3: Can you believe that this is actually a thing that
32:35
Speaker 3: people think might happen that, Yes, I do believe Trek
32:39
Speaker 3: Scooble not only could get traded this offseason, I think
32:43
Speaker 3: he will get traded this offseason, but to the Mariners.
32:47
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I wouldn't guess that in a billion years.
32:52
Speaker 6: Well, I would have a hard time thinking the Mariners
32:54
Speaker 6: would would pony up for it. But then again, I
32:59
Speaker 6: don't know, man. I mean, it's the Tiger changing stripes
33:02
Speaker 6: type of a thing. But at the same time, this
33:04
Speaker 6: is the first time this front office, not this ownership group,
33:07
Speaker 6: but this front office has been at this point in
33:11
Speaker 6: where you're at, where you're not. You're not in any
33:14
Speaker 6: sort of rebuild. You're in a you're locked and loaded.
33:17
Speaker 6: Make sure you have every piece of ammal you can get.
33:20
Speaker 6: And if the Detroit you know, Tigers are wanting to
33:23
Speaker 6: sell off the best left handed pitcher, and right there
33:27
Speaker 6: is one of the best pictures in the on the planet.
33:31
Speaker 6: I'm definitely taking a phone call if.
33:33
Speaker 3: They get him, though I think it's only a one
33:36
Speaker 3: year kind of rental thing. Yeah, and maybe that's where
33:40
Speaker 3: they might have changed their stripes. I don't think they're
33:42
Speaker 3: going to change their stripes to the tune of paying
33:46
Speaker 3: Errek's scouble ten years, four.
33:48
Speaker 4: Hundred million dollars.
33:49
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's in the organization. So to me,
33:54
Speaker 3: I don't want to give up as much as it
33:57
Speaker 3: would take to get Trek scouble for one year when
34:00
Speaker 3: that's already a strength, if not the strength of the team.
34:03
Speaker 3: As much as I'd love to have him and as
34:05
Speaker 3: much as he might provide the difference next season, he
34:07
Speaker 3: might be just that great that he pushes us over
34:11
Speaker 3: the top and wins We win the World Series.
34:13
Speaker 7: And that would be worth it. That would be worth
34:15
Speaker 7: it if it came with a guarantee. Yeah, could we
34:17
Speaker 7: get that, Yeah, that you're going to win a World Series.
34:19
Speaker 3: But I it's really shocking that these rumors. I mean,
34:24
Speaker 3: and it's not just Adam Jude talking about. It's not
34:26
Speaker 3: just Buster only. It's all over the place that the
34:29
Speaker 3: Mariners are in on the trek Scooble conversations this offseason.
34:32
Speaker 4: I think that's sounds crazy.
34:33
Speaker 8: It does sound crazy, especially yeah, to be like, oh, yeah,
34:36
Speaker 8: we should add something.
34:37
Speaker 7: We already have a lot of.
34:39
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I wouldn't if they did it,
34:41
Speaker 8: I'd be like, Okay, good for you. If they do
34:43
Speaker 8: get him, I want him to go to somebody in
34:45
Speaker 8: the National League that we never see.
34:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he did it, I mean, yeah, you would
34:49
Speaker 3: be excited about it for sure. It just doesn't seem
34:53
Speaker 3: I just don't think the Tiger can change his stripes
34:55
Speaker 3: that much. It's like, okay, maybe that's like the Tiger
34:59
Speaker 3: trying like bedazzle his stripes. Yeah, you're going to really
35:04
Speaker 3: figure out scrapbooking between now and the end of the winter,
35:08
Speaker 3: mister Tiger.
35:09
Speaker 6: I'm down with it. Go ahead, watch a YouTube video.
35:13
Speaker 6: Get it done. The dazzle those bad boys.
35:15
Speaker 7: I dazzle those bad boys all right.
35:17
Speaker 3: Coming up in our final hour, al Kiniski will join
35:20
Speaker 3: us at nine point thirty, also talk about the college
35:22
Speaker 3: football playoff ranking.
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