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Sharri | 22 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in this evening for Shari. Coming
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Speaker 3: up on the show, Anthony Arberezi thinks he's going to
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Speaker 3: solve the Middle East crisis by recognizing a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: Will go live to New York to catch up with
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Speaker 3: the coalition's representative at the UN meeting, Garth Hamilton, on
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Speaker 3: this latest betrayal. First labor release is an uncosted emissions
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Speaker 3: reduction target for twenty thirty five. Now the minister in
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Speaker 3: charge can't even say how much renewable energy will be
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Speaker 3: required to achieve it. And Charlie Kirk remembered at a
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Speaker 3: monumental memorial service in Arizona.
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Speaker 2: What will be his legacy?
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Speaker 3: US politics expert Kosher Gada will join us later in
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Speaker 3: the show to discuss But first tonight, I've asked the
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Speaker 3: question a lot lately, what sort of a country do
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Speaker 3: we want to live in? And honestly, I do not
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Speaker 3: think we have control over the culture we are trying
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Speaker 3: to create anymore, as our values are being destroyed daily.
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Speaker 3: Today is rosh Hashna Jewish New Year, where families are
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Speaker 3: gathering for celebrations, and yet our prime minister is right
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Speaker 3: now parading on the world stage betraying the very values
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Speaker 3: we hold so dear.
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Speaker 2: In recognizing a Palestinian.
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Speaker 4: State, we recognize the legitimate, unlong held aspirations of the
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Speaker 4: people of Palestine of a state of their own, and
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Speaker 4: in doing so, we reaffirm Australia's long standing position of
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Speaker 4: two states, the State of Israel and the State of Palestine,
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Speaker 4: living side by side behind internationally recognized borders in peace
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Speaker 4: and security.
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Speaker 3: What an utter betrayal, and not just to Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 3: but for all of us who are worried that our
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Speaker 3: values are being completely eroded by warped ideology and by
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Speaker 3: those who hate the West. Harmas does not want a
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Speaker 3: two state solutions. It wants its own state and to
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Speaker 3: wipe out Israel. All Anthony Albernezi has done today is
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Speaker 3: reward terror exactly what Western democracies stand against, and in return,
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Speaker 3: terrorists are rewarding him.
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Speaker 5: hassa oktobadilla Philostinia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: When Hamas declar's victory, that is when you know you
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Speaker 3: are on the wrong side of history. I mean, this
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Speaker 3: is a Prime Minister whose own electorate office in Sydney
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Speaker 3: had to be shut down because of anti Israel protests.
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Speaker 3: Yet he thinks his childhood fantasy of recognizing a Palestinian
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Speaker 3: state is going to solve the crisis in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: He is completely and utterly delusional. So if Hamas is
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Speaker 3: giving the Prime Minister a big pat on the back, well,
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Speaker 3: what does.
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Speaker 2: It mean for us at home?
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Speaker 3: Well we know the answer because we've seen it play
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Speaker 3: out since October seven, twenty twenty three, like a slow
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Speaker 3: motion train wreck.
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Speaker 2: We can week out.
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Speaker 3: These anti Israel protests bring shame to Australia. Flags of
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Speaker 3: terror groups like Hummas are being waved so brazenly in
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Speaker 3: the streets.
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Speaker 2: As have chance of death to the IDF.
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Speaker 3: Hate preachers brag about being elated by the Hamas terror attacks.
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Speaker 3: The Australian and Israeli flags are set alight on the
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Speaker 3: steps of the Sydney Opera House. A portrait of the
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Speaker 3: Ayatola of Iran is carried across the Harbor Bridge Synagogues.
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Speaker 3: A firebombed anti Semitic slogans are graffitied on houses and businesses.
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Speaker 2: Jews are intimidated day in day out.
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Speaker 3: Nurses are filmed on camera allegedly saying that they would
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Speaker 3: kill Jewish patients. You don't need me to tell you
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Speaker 3: what this has led to. In fact, the Greens set
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Speaker 3: it themselves today. Their Foreign Affairs spokesman David Schuebridge said, quote,
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Speaker 3: the recognition of Palace is a victory for the many
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Speaker 3: Australians who have been calling for this, so a victory
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Speaker 3: for the anti Israel brigade. And so I ask again
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Speaker 3: what sort of a country do we want to live in?
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Speaker 3: Because this is not the Australia we know and love.
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Speaker 3: And you don't have to be Jewish to see the
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Speaker 3: threat that is unfolding in front of our very eyes.
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Speaker 3: Yet the Prime Minister seems to be just making it
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Speaker 3: up as he goes along.
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Speaker 4: Active recognition is based on the commitments received from the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian authority, including that the terrorists of Hamas cannot govern
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Speaker 4: Gaza again, Palestine recognizes Israel's right to exist in peace
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Speaker 4: and security, and the Palestinian Authority will demilitarize and hold
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Speaker 4: democratic elections, driving broader reform to governance, finance, and education.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's break this down.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, the Palestinian Authority is run by the anti CIVI
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Speaker 3: medic mutmute Bus, hardly a bloke whom you can trust. Secondly,
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Speaker 3: this nonsense about democratic elections. When a Bus was elected
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Speaker 3: on a four year term back in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 3: no election was held four years later, and guess what,
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Speaker 3: he's still there twenty years later. And thirdly he says
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Speaker 3: it's based on commitments that Hamas cannot govern Gaza. Again,
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Speaker 3: Hamas was elected in two thousand and six in the
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Speaker 3: Palestinian parliamentary election. The people wanted the terrorists there, but
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Penny Wong seem to think that
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Speaker 3: they have got it all under control.
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Speaker 6: Now Australia has made clear we will work with the
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Speaker 6: Palestinian Authority and the international community to both build the
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Speaker 6: capacity of the authority but also to hold the authority
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Speaker 6: to the commitments it has made publicly to the international community.
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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, does Pennywong seriously think the Palestinian Authority
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Speaker 3: is open and willing to engage in international diplomacy under
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Speaker 3: international law? Do they think that this is the way
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Speaker 3: to destroy her muss just you know, throw a couple
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Speaker 3: of deals on the table, sign a few documents, smile
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Speaker 3: on the world stage, and well, Bob's your uncle. Peace
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Speaker 3: is secured. Is that seriously how they think terrorists will conform? Well,
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Speaker 3: let me show you the vile terrorists Israel is trying
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Speaker 3: to eradicate. As Australia recognizes Palestine Hamas has publicly executed
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Speaker 3: three gardens it claims are collaborating with Israel, and now
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Speaker 3: a warning the following vision.
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Speaker 7: Is distressing.
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Speaker 2: Yep. This is the very regime.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Abernezi has given recognition to, the same regime who
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Speaker 3: murdered twelve hundred Jews on October seven, raped women, tortured
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Speaker 3: civilians and took Jews hostage.
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Speaker 2: The same regime still holding forty eight hostages, the.
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Speaker 3: Same regime deliberately starving hostages and making them dig their
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Speaker 3: own graves.
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Speaker 2: And another warning this footage is again.
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Speaker 8: Distressing qua lush.
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Speaker 3: This is the same regime which has opened fire on
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Speaker 3: Gazans for trying to access aid deliveries, and the same
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Speaker 3: regime taking humanitarian aid to fund its own terror activities,
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Speaker 3: turning the lives of innocent people into a profit making machine,
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Speaker 3: and the capitulation by labor is all under the guise
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Speaker 3: of mus must release the hostages. He must has to
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Speaker 3: agree to peace. There has to be a two state solution.
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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, and the opposition can see right through it.
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Speaker 9: He must control Gazah Musk were voted in by the
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Speaker 9: Palestinian people. Must themselves have said this recognition. It rewards
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Speaker 9: the fruits of October. The seventh words on a piece
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Speaker 9: of paper and symbolism do nothing to change what is
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Speaker 9: actually happening.
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Speaker 2: On the ground, and not to mention.
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Speaker 3: All of this may even be in breach of international law,
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Speaker 3: because a state must possess a permanent population, a defined territory,
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Speaker 3: a government, and the capacity to enter interrelations with other.
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Speaker 2: States and use flash.
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Speaker 3: Palestine meets none of these criteria under international law. Nor
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Speaker 3: is there a functioning single government, nor does it have
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Speaker 3: the capacity to enter into diplomatic relations. Not that Anthony
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Speaker 3: Arbanesi seems to understand.
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Speaker 4: That all of those matters, all of those you know,
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Speaker 4: all of those matters are to be determined as time comes.
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Speaker 4: We're not about to open an embassy. To be very clear,
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Speaker 4: we are what.
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Speaker 2: We're thinking about there.
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Speaker 4: What we are, what we are doing, what we are doing.
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Speaker 4: We're not getting ahead of ourselves. What we are doing
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Speaker 4: is recognizing the state of Palestine. Those matters we all
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Speaker 4: be determined by the conditions that we're put up.
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Speaker 2: So let me just summarize this for you.
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Speaker 3: Australia is recognizing Palestine because it's a childhood fantasy of
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and to bring peace, even though Hummas
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Speaker 3: does not want peace. The Canadian President says he is
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Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine and offers our partnership in building the promise
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Speaker 3: of a peaceful future for both the State of Palestine
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Speaker 3: and the State of Israel, even though again Hamas, which
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Speaker 3: runs Gaza, does not want that. The UK Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: is recognizing Palestine because he wants Israel to commit to
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Speaker 3: a two state solution.
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Speaker 10: In the face of the growing horror in the Middle East.
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Speaker 10: We are acting to keep live the possibility of peace
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Speaker 10: and a two stage solution that means a safe and
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Speaker 10: secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state. At the moment,
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Speaker 10: we have neither.
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Speaker 2: Well, of course you have none of that.
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Speaker 3: Of course you don't, because right now a terror group
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Speaker 3: runs the Gaza strip and wants its own solution, one solution.
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Speaker 2: And to wipe out Israel, make that make sense. Now.
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Speaker 3: Look, if pieces ever found in the Middle East, it
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Speaker 3: certainly will have nothing to do with Anthony Albanesi nor
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Speaker 3: Penny Wong masquerading as foreign policy experts and hamas deal
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Speaker 3: breakers on the world stage. And so I ask again
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Speaker 3: what sort of a country do we want to live in?
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Speaker 3: Because Anthony Albanesi's recognition of Palestine only emboldens those who
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Speaker 3: seek to cause us harm. And it really feels as
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Speaker 3: if it's too far gone now in the face of
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Speaker 3: a changing Australia led by labor who does not have
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Speaker 3: our interests.
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Speaker 2: At heart but their own.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 3: of Broman Bishop and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrandhi to
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Speaker 3: both of you, thank you so much for joining me
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Speaker 3: on the show. Look, I want to start with Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanese's recognition of a Palestinian state, putting Australia, of course,
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Speaker 3: Bromwin further at odds with the United States, another betrayal
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Speaker 3: of Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 2: It's likely to be vetoed.
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Speaker 3: How shocking is this by way of foreign policy decisions?
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Speaker 11: In your view well as time, Penelope Wong, this sect
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Speaker 11: Our foreign policy is in absolute tatters. We've failed to
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Speaker 11: sign two agreements with one with Guana, one in pap
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Speaker 11: New Guinea because they're going to consult the Chinese first.
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Speaker 11: You've got the Chinese taking fingerprints from the Solomon Islands.
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Speaker 11: We have no influence in our own backyard, and this
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Speaker 11: man thinks he can solve a problem that's been going
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Speaker 11: on for hundreds and hundreds of years. I mean understand
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Speaker 11: that the Ottoman Empire ruled the Middle East from what
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Speaker 11: fifteen sixteen I think, and it only became the Middle
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Speaker 11: East as we look at it after World War One,
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Speaker 11: as a result of what's called the Sykes Pico Agreement,
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Speaker 11: which divided it up between the UK and France. Now,
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Speaker 11: there has been nothing but hatred by the Islamistists for
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Speaker 11: the Jews since before they even got there in any numbers.
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Speaker 11: And after the war NASA invited six thousand Nazis came
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Speaker 11: to Cairo to help kill the Jews. The Grand Mufti
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Speaker 11: of Jerusalem, who wanted to be the leader of the
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Speaker 11: Palestinian state, asked Hitler please come and help him kill
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Speaker 11: the Jews so that there would be just a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 11: So this idea of a two state solution is something
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Speaker 11: that has been created by those people who want to
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Speaker 11: see a resolution. But Albansi, by doing preempting this preemptive move,
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Speaker 11: is just lying about it. It is impossible. We have
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Speaker 11: no influence at all, and all we're doing is saying
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Speaker 11: that we're out of alignment with our United States ally
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Speaker 11: and the only way a new state can be created
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Speaker 11: is if the Security Council, of which for five permanent
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Speaker 11: members have to say the United States will veto it,
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Speaker 11: so it doesn't matter a Rower beams. But as usual,
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Speaker 11: it's grandstanding to get votes the Labor Party members in
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Speaker 11: Western Sydney. And it's disgusting.
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Speaker 2: It is because it is betraying.
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Speaker 3: And this is not just a betrayal in my view
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Speaker 3: of Jewish Australians, this is a betrayal.
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Speaker 2: Of all of us. All of our values on the
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Speaker 2: world states.
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Speaker 11: And the Western the Western tradition, the Enlightenment, the things
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Speaker 11: that our culture has been based upon, all being denied
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Speaker 11: by this, everything that.
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Speaker 2: We stand against terrorism.
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Speaker 3: How embarrassing is this on the world stage in your view.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's not really embarrassing at all, because it's far
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Speaker 12: more in line with what vast majority are now almost
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Speaker 12: every other country apart from the US and Israel.
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Speaker 2: Why do we have to follow that.
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Speaker 12: We don't have to. But this is where the international
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Speaker 12: sentiment is, and that's a fact, Bromlan, you can check it.
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Speaker 4: And even the.
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Speaker 12: United States is officially I've waited. Even the United States
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Speaker 12: officially supports a two state solution. So if we no
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Speaker 12: longer support a two state solution, we're even more out
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Speaker 12: of step with the United States. The only matter is
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Speaker 12: on when and how that is recognized. Now everyone knows
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Speaker 12: that Australia formally recognizing Palistine or supporting emotion in the
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Speaker 12: UN is not going to have any impact whatsoever. At best,
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Speaker 12: it offers a carrot to the Palestinian people to say, look,
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Speaker 12: if you continue to vote for Hermas and for extremist organizations,
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Speaker 12: you cannot have a Palestinian state because by definition her
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Speaker 12: Mask cannot be involved. Now, whether or not, that just
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Speaker 12: means they set up a Phoenix operation. You get the
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Speaker 12: same extremists under another brand. That I think is a
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Speaker 12: genuine concern. But clearly there is not going to be
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Speaker 12: a two state solution because of the actions. Because again,
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Speaker 12: as you say, if an election was held in the
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Speaker 12: West Bank by the Palestinian authority, they would.
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Speaker 2: Lose, and that's why they have state though this is rewarding.
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Speaker 12: So that's that's but that's where you get into the
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Speaker 12: catch twenty two. Hamas doesn't want a two state solution,
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Speaker 12: and Harmus is pretending to applaud you know, Australia as
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Speaker 12: they have other countries, but they by definition cannot be
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Speaker 12: involved in any future Palestinian state and so you have
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Speaker 12: an ultimate catch twenty two. The reason this decision was
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Speaker 12: made was because after Benjamin and Yahoo said he was
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Speaker 12: going to occupy Gaza, which has been met with extreme
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Speaker 12: condemnation from almost everybody with any expertise in this matter,
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Speaker 12: including virtually every other country, the Australian government wanted to
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Speaker 12: send the strongest possible signal that this could not go on,
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Speaker 12: that this.
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Speaker 3: Could not could have been over a day one had
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Speaker 3: Harmas just released the hostages.
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Speaker 2: Yet it's gone on.
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Speaker 12: For almost no one's on her master's Friday, no one's.
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Speaker 2: On her master's side.
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Speaker 11: But Hamas has just claimed victory.
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Speaker 2: And because there are line in such of proper no no.
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Speaker 11: Because it's been it's been Australia among other countries that
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Speaker 11: have recognized the state. That's where the peace negotiations stopped.
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Speaker 11: And what about going with Britain. We're Stalman Leeds, a
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Speaker 11: party where Corbyn Elbow's mate were so anti Semitic and
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Speaker 11: he even.
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Speaker 12: Went to a I don't know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 12: You just plucking around them.
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Speaker 11: This is the same party they want the Muslim vote,
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Speaker 11: that's the reason they've done it. France they deported by
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Speaker 11: Vishi France. They've deported hundreds of thousands of Jews into
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Speaker 11: death camps. I know, what, why would why would we
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Speaker 11: go with France from the UK? They haven say, well
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Speaker 11: that sort of history.
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Speaker 12: Emmanuel Crime was not the head of Vishy France. Am
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Speaker 12: I not a comparing them.
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Speaker 3: For but we're not saying these people are anti Semitic,
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Speaker 3: just to just to clarify that. But I do think
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Speaker 3: that the problem here is that hamas I've claimed victory today,
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Speaker 3: I think it's a disgrace on the world stage, as
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Speaker 3: we have said, and I just think personally it's a
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Speaker 3: betrayal of all of our values and that that that's
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Speaker 3: where I think we stand on this. But you know, look,
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Speaker 3: let let's see what happens now.
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Speaker 2: The UN meetings this week. We'll albo get a meeting
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Speaker 2: that but I do want to know with Trump. Look,
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Speaker 2: I want to move on from this.
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Speaker 3: I want to turn to the ongoing fall out from
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Speaker 3: the Optus outage last week. It's just been confirmed in
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Speaker 3: the last few hours that it failed to follow a
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Speaker 3: basic list of checks that other telcos perform, including dialing
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Speaker 3: Triple zero themselves during routine upgrades to ensure that people
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Speaker 3: can still call emergency services.
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Speaker 2: And we know three.
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Speaker 3: People died on Thursday. Optus has also just confirmed an
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Speaker 3: additional seven people could not contact Triple zero at the time,
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Speaker 3: so critical checks were ignored before this outage. Surely heads
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Speaker 3: have to roll over this, surely.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think they probably will. But also there's another aspect.
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Speaker 11: There was an emergency legislation went into the Parliament in
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Speaker 11: April that said if one of the telcos fail and
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Speaker 11: they can't get through to Triple O, that it automatically
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Speaker 11: goes to one of the other telcos. But guess what
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Speaker 11: went through in April, but it doesn't come into force
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Speaker 11: until November. Why if that legislation was brought in urgently,
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Speaker 11: it should have been made to start straight away, not
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Speaker 11: in November. And then this wouldn't have happened.
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Speaker 3: So you think that Labor has that Labour has questions
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Speaker 3: to answer.
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Speaker 11: It's one thing for the minister to come out and
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Speaker 11: say I'm virtuous and everybody else is at fault, that
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Speaker 11: the labor government has some things to learn.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was also the second outage in
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Speaker 3: two years, Joe. Do you think that labor does have
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Speaker 3: questions to answer over this?
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Speaker 12: Well, certainly, certainly just has questions to answer over The
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Speaker 12: CEO is fairly new. He wasn't there during the first outage,
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Speaker 12: so I think if if it was the same CEO,
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Speaker 12: you'd have to say you're gone. I think the problem
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Speaker 12: with the you know, redirecting Trivilo calls to other networks
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Speaker 12: was that this was simply not escalated. This wasn't something
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Speaker 12: that the Peak next that the Peak Executive of Office
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Speaker 12: was actually aware it was happening, So they didn't know
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Speaker 12: that there was a problem they had to call the
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Speaker 12: other networks about. And that's because it wasn't escalated when
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Speaker 12: people made complaints about it or informed operators in overseas
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Speaker 12: call centers question.
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Speaker 11: The legislate in April, not coming into force until November.
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Speaker 13: But.
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Speaker 12: Optists didn't know that there was an outage until it
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Speaker 12: was too like this was the problem.
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Speaker 11: They didn't. If the meditation had become operative, there wouldn't
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Speaker 11: have been a need for them to know. It would
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Speaker 11: have happened automatically. So it has to be examined.
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Speaker 12: I think the law would have just made the network
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Speaker 12: comply well.
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Speaker 2: I think as well.
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Speaker 3: I think I think there's a lot of questions to
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Speaker 3: answer to moving forward on this.
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Speaker 2: But I think that the fact that that the.
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Speaker 3: Critical checks were not done and now three people have.
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Speaker 2: Died, that's right.
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Speaker 12: And I think the problem is why optists had to
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Speaker 12: wait until now to say, to make it clear to
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Speaker 12: its employees where there may have been language barriers that
19:47
Speaker 12: if someone says Triple O is not working, you must
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Speaker 12: escalate this.
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Speaker 1: That is a compulsory.
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Speaker 11: I absolutely agree with you, and it's a good reason
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Speaker 11: also not to have offshore operation.
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Speaker 2: Know that they should be tip.
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Speaker 11: You mean you said this obligation to have them here, and.
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Speaker 2: I mean it would be nice when you call these
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Speaker 2: people to actually no, I actually great, totally. I just
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Speaker 2: want to really quickly get to at Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 3: Of course, his memorial was held today, but probably the
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Speaker 3: most touching moment was this speech made by his wife, Erica.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this on the cross.
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Speaker 14: Our receivers said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
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Speaker 14: what they do.
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Speaker 13: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
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Speaker 3: I'd love to get both of your views on this
20:57
Speaker 3: were a most out of time, Brolin.
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Speaker 2: That was a huge moment.
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Speaker 11: Yes, it was. And I think this whole thing is
21:03
Speaker 11: doing a line in the sand. You know, when I
21:05
Speaker 11: wasn't a young teenager, I went to the Billy Graham
21:08
Speaker 11: Crusades and I had that sort of feeling. But what
21:12
Speaker 11: he did was to bring together faith, the Socratic debate,
21:19
Speaker 11: the freedom being, the ideology. It is a powerful amalgam.
21:24
Speaker 11: And when she said I forgive him, it just evoked
21:29
Speaker 11: something about just what the ethics and what the basis
21:35
Speaker 11: of Christianity is, and it's sure worth preserving.
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Speaker 2: I completely a great, a huge moment on the world.
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Speaker 12: I thought it was very moving, and it certainly put
21:42
Speaker 12: the light to the claims of hatred that are out
21:46
Speaker 12: there and very much focused on the fact that Christianity
21:49
Speaker 12: is a faith based on love, and I thought that
21:51
Speaker 12: was beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Express Yeah, it was.
21:53
Speaker 3: It was a huge moment in history. We've got to
21:55
Speaker 3: leave it there. Broman, Bishop Joy hilde Brand, good to
21:57
Speaker 3: have you both on like our little fiery paddle. Thank
21:59
Speaker 3: you so much, so much for joining me on the
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Speaker 3: show this evening.
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Speaker 2: Well let's go to New York. Now.
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Speaker 3: Joining me is the Coalition's Representative for the United Nations
22:06
Speaker 3: General Assembly LMPMP Garth.
22:09
Speaker 2: Hamilton Garth, good to catch up.
22:11
Speaker 3: You're about to watch Anthony Alberesi, along with the leaders
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Speaker 3: of the UK and France, formally recognize Palestine at the UN.
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Speaker 2: How does this look for Australia on the world stage.
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Speaker 15: There's not enough soap in New York to watch me
22:24
Speaker 15: clean of what we're about to go through.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolute disgrace sitting over.
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Speaker 15: Here watching Australia just edge further and further away from
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Speaker 15: the United States. I've sat in meetings discussing this over here,
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Speaker 15: where people are praising the efforts of Chinese diplomacy and
22:39
Speaker 15: looking down their nose at the Americans.
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Speaker 1: We're in the wrong place. We're in a terrible situation.
22:44
Speaker 15: And the actions of Hamas over the last couple of
22:47
Speaker 15: days show that mister Albinizi has made one thing very clear.
22:52
Speaker 1: Terrorism works when you have week.
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Speaker 3: Leaders look absolutely a spot on. Look you're over in
22:59
Speaker 3: New York at the moment, but back here at home, Garth.
23:01
Speaker 2: Some more bad news for your party.
23:03
Speaker 3: News poll reveals young men and young Aussies ad ditching
23:05
Speaker 3: the Coalition in droves. The September snapshot revealed just eighteen
23:09
Speaker 3: percent of voters aged between eighteen and thirty four support
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Speaker 3: the coalition, down from twenty eight percent in the March quarter.
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Speaker 2: This result puts the Liberals.
23:17
Speaker 3: And Nationals behind Labor at thirty six percent and the
23:19
Speaker 3: Greens at twenty six Garth. Voters are abandoning, Susan Lee,
23:24
Speaker 3: what are your options here? Because it's not getting any
23:27
Speaker 3: better right now, it's getting worse.
23:30
Speaker 1: Well, I think we have to be very clear with ourselves.
23:32
Speaker 15: There's nothing that guarantees the survival of any political party,
23:35
Speaker 15: let alone one in the center right. The Liberal Party
23:39
Speaker 15: was a coalition of eighteen different parties that came together
23:42
Speaker 15: who all opposed Labour's social vision for Australia. That's how
23:46
Speaker 15: we started, that's what made us great, and until we
23:48
Speaker 15: start reflecting that again, I think we'll continue to have
23:52
Speaker 15: problems in the polls. It's very clear that people aren't
23:56
Speaker 15: voting for process, which is about always selling at the moment.
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Speaker 3: And this is the problem because my next question was
24:03
Speaker 3: going to be how much of this has got to
24:04
Speaker 3: do with the fact that you don't have a clear policy.
24:07
Speaker 3: How many more times are we going to hear or
24:09
Speaker 3: we need to conduct this internal review energy for example,
24:13
Speaker 3: could take you up to twelve months before we actually
24:15
Speaker 3: get some sort of differentiation between the Coalition and Labor.
24:20
Speaker 2: Well.
24:20
Speaker 15: Look, come from a brand of politics that says you
24:22
Speaker 15: should fight for everything all the time. And it's something
24:24
Speaker 15: that you believe in, that you hold that you think
24:26
Speaker 15: is worthy, then you should always always fight for it.
24:30
Speaker 15: And using process as an excuse isn't something I think
24:33
Speaker 15: that the Australian people are interested in at all. There's
24:36
Speaker 15: so many things for us to fight on.
24:38
Speaker 1: I've been very strong against net zero.
24:40
Speaker 15: I'm glad to see there's a lot of other people
24:41
Speaker 15: in the party in the same way.
24:44
Speaker 1: Equally on immigration, I think there's clear ground for us
24:47
Speaker 1: to be gained there.
24:48
Speaker 15: And on tax reform, I think Australian families would love
24:51
Speaker 15: to hear us talking about a plan for the future
24:53
Speaker 15: that includes them, and that basis that the country's tax
24:57
Speaker 15: system around families makes it easier. That's the sort of
24:59
Speaker 15: stuff that I think engages people very very quickly, and
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Speaker 15: goodness for me, you don't talk to young people.
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Speaker 1: Let's have an honest debate about housing.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, because that is the number one issue, and you're
25:10
Speaker 3: right about mass migration. The problem is is that every
25:12
Speaker 3: time it's brought up that the R word comes out racism.
25:16
Speaker 3: It wasn't front and center at the last election, the
25:18
Speaker 3: last two elections from either side really, but.
25:20
Speaker 2: I think you're spot on now.
25:22
Speaker 3: Look Liberal MP Andrew Hasty, he has been touted as
25:25
Speaker 3: a future leader of the party. I want to show
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Speaker 3: you this video he has released about manufacturing in Australia.
25:31
Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
25:33
Speaker 16: We used to make complex things in this country. In fact,
25:36
Speaker 16: with cars, we used to say race them on a Sunday,
25:39
Speaker 16: sell them on a Monday. And it wasn't just a slogan,
25:42
Speaker 16: it was a way of life. Competition drove innovation in
25:46
Speaker 16: our car industry. But that's all gone and now Anthony
25:49
Speaker 16: Albanezi and Labor are trying to cut us off forever
25:52
Speaker 16: from our proud heritage. They want to fill our streets
25:55
Speaker 16: with silent solace cars made in China, packed with tech
26:00
Speaker 16: win in design and that we don't control.
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Speaker 3: Garthie actually also condemned not just labor for letting the
26:07
Speaker 3: car industry die, but.
26:08
Speaker 2: Also the Liberal Party. Is he right?
26:11
Speaker 3: Has there been massive failure is when it comes to manufacturing.
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Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best things about Andrew.
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Speaker 15: He's laying out a vision for the future and he's
26:20
Speaker 15: not making decisions that prop up decisions that previous iterations
26:24
Speaker 15: of the Liberal Party have made.
26:26
Speaker 1: I think Australia wants a vision.
26:27
Speaker 15: They want someone who's not just trying to tiptoe or
26:30
Speaker 15: make things, you know, two percent different. He's trying to
26:34
Speaker 15: lay out a vision for Australia that's better, that includes
26:37
Speaker 15: all of us.
26:37
Speaker 14: Now.
26:38
Speaker 15: I think that's why it's been so well responded to.
26:41
Speaker 15: I can't remember any of us putting out a video
26:42
Speaker 15: that's done so well. And it's not just that beautiful
26:44
Speaker 15: looking car.
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Speaker 1: This is Australia.
26:47
Speaker 15: This is Andrew talking about what Australia could be. I
26:50
Speaker 15: think it's it's great to have that conversation.
26:53
Speaker 3: So is he putting a better vision for the country
26:55
Speaker 3: out than your current leader.
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Speaker 15: I think he's putting a great fish out that a
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Speaker 15: lot of people already already want. He's not having to
27:03
Speaker 15: create something. Australians want this and that's why that people
27:06
Speaker 15: are responding. And I think any leader would be wise
27:09
Speaker 15: to listen to where Andrew is going. This is what
27:14
Speaker 15: a new face and someone genuinely talking to modern Australia looks.
27:17
Speaker 3: Like, but better than your current leader, Susan Lae. I mean,
27:20
Speaker 3: this is clearly a man who's gearing himself up to
27:23
Speaker 3: take the leadership brains, he looks, the part he speaks
27:25
Speaker 3: with conviction.
27:27
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying matter.
27:30
Speaker 15: What I'm saying is I think that we need people
27:31
Speaker 15: in the party to lay out that vision.
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Speaker 1: And Andrew is willing to do it, and God bless him.
27:35
Speaker 15: You know a lot of people in politics think that
27:38
Speaker 15: everything has to be about themselves. I think Andrew's talking
27:40
Speaker 15: about Australia. I think Andrew's talking about all of us,
27:43
Speaker 15: and that's what every single politician from the back bench
27:47
Speaker 15: to the front bench, should be doing.
27:49
Speaker 3: All right, Well, look, Garth Hamilton, look forward to seeing
27:52
Speaker 3: what you get up to over in New York. Thank
27:53
Speaker 3: you very much for joining us on the show this evening.
27:55
Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time. We're coming up after break Chris
27:58
Speaker 3: Bowen dreams up more renewables targets as labor drifts further
28:02
Speaker 3: away from their twenty thirty goal. The Australian's Environment editor
28:06
Speaker 3: Graham Lloyd will join me, plus we'll go live to
28:08
Speaker 3: Tel Aviv and get Israel's reaction to Australia's recognition of Palestine.
28:12
Speaker 3: Former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy is coming up. Welcome back,
28:19
Speaker 3: Let's return to our top story tonight, Australia's formal recognition
28:23
Speaker 3: of Palestine. Joining me from Tel Aviv for some reaction
28:26
Speaker 3: is former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy. Elon, good to
28:29
Speaker 3: catch up again. What's been the reaction in Israel to
28:33
Speaker 3: this news? And I also think it's worth pointing out
28:35
Speaker 3: that these leaders have done this on Jewish New Year,
28:38
Speaker 3: on a day where Jewish families are out celebrating.
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Speaker 17: And I think that was a deliberate decision to recognize
28:46
Speaker 17: a Palestinian state on a day they know that Israel's
28:48
Speaker 17: leaders won't be able to respond because they will be
28:50
Speaker 17: in synagogalor with their families. But you know that's besides
28:53
Speaker 17: the point. The real problem isn't the decision to recognize
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Speaker 17: a Palestinian state that does not exist rewards Hamma, and
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Speaker 17: it is encouraging Hamas to perpetrate more barbaric atrocities because
29:04
Speaker 17: it feels vindicated in its decision to launch this barbaric
29:08
Speaker 17: war two years ago. So this decision pushes peace further away,
29:12
Speaker 17: and it dooms any prospect of a ceasefire that would
29:15
Speaker 17: see the hostages let out of Gaza and Hamas removed
29:18
Speaker 17: from power. Now it's a bad day for Israel, but
29:21
Speaker 17: it's a terrible day for Australia. Hamas has welcomed Australia's decision,
29:27
Speaker 17: praising it as a victory. And you know, I want
29:30
Speaker 17: to ask the viewers at home, how does it make
29:32
Speaker 17: you feel to know that a barbaricji had the organization
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Speaker 17: that burned children alive in their homes two years ago
29:40
Speaker 17: and is fighting this war from tunnels underneath civilian's feet,
29:44
Speaker 17: is praising Australia, believing it has delivered it a victory.
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Speaker 17: Pennywong and Anthony Albanesi have brought shame and dishonor on
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Speaker 17: Australia by lining themselves on the same side as Hamas.
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Speaker 17: They can't say they weren't warned. Hamas already said that
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Speaker 17: recognition is one of the fruits of the October seventh massacre,
30:03
Speaker 17: and that means they're going to try to sow another
30:05
Speaker 17: harvest and we're all going to pay the price in blood.
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Speaker 3: And you know, just on that point, you've got Australia
30:11
Speaker 3: and the UK. Their Prime Minister Kiirstama did this the
30:13
Speaker 3: same thing.
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Speaker 2: Today.
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Speaker 3: Both have come out saying, oh, it's all about getting
30:17
Speaker 3: to a two state solution. How come they think that
30:21
Speaker 3: the only way to achieve a two state solution is
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Speaker 3: to go out there today and publicly recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 17: The only way to have peace is for Hamas to
30:32
Speaker 17: be removed from power, for girls that to be demilitarized,
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Speaker 17: for the Palestinian people to be deradicalized, so that the
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Speaker 17: jihadi ideology that made so many people celebrate October seventh
30:43
Speaker 17: is rooted out, and then to negotiate peace. But declaring
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Speaker 17: a Palestinian state doesn't bring one into existence, and it
30:50
Speaker 17: certainly doesn't bring peace. It pushes peace further away because
30:54
Speaker 17: it tells Hamas that it was right to launch this war.
30:57
Speaker 17: It tells Hamas that it was right to perpetrate those
31:00
Speaker 17: unspeakable sexual atrocities on October seventh, it tells Hamas that
31:03
Speaker 17: it was right to hold onto the hostages and to
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Speaker 17: keep fighting this guerrilla warf from underneath civilian's feet.
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Speaker 1: So this is a terrible decision.
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Speaker 17: It's not going to bring peace any closer. It's just
31:15
Speaker 17: going to push it further and further away.
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Speaker 3: And also, Hamas overnight publicly executed three gardens. I know
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Speaker 3: that you've seen that horrific vision. They claim that these
31:27
Speaker 3: gardens were collaborating with Israel. But this is Hamasa's barbarism
31:30
Speaker 3: on full display, elon the same group which has today
31:33
Speaker 3: claimed victory after the Palestinian recognition. And what's being lost
31:37
Speaker 3: in this debate is that Israel is not just fighting
31:40
Speaker 3: against Hamas for itself, but it's fighting terror for the West,
31:44
Speaker 3: for the whole.
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Speaker 2: Of the West.
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Speaker 17: After the October seventh massacre, the whole Western world understood,
31:50
Speaker 17: or most of it, except for the Irish, but less
31:52
Speaker 17: than they're a separate place. The whole Western world understood
31:55
Speaker 17: that this war has to end with Hamash removed from power.
31:58
Speaker 17: And it's disappointing for Israeli's to see Western leaders lose
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Speaker 17: their nerve and pressure Israel to end the war in
32:04
Speaker 17: a way that leaves Hamas in power and leaves hostages
32:08
Speaker 17: in Gaza. It's a brutal jihadi organization, an organization that
32:12
Speaker 17: has been plotting terror attacks around the world, an organization
32:17
Speaker 17: that brutally suppresses its own people and doesn't allow any
32:21
Speaker 17: freedom at all. Now, what possible reason does Hamas have
32:26
Speaker 17: to free the hostages when Australia is telling it that
32:30
Speaker 17: holding them has paid off. What reason does Hamas have
32:33
Speaker 17: to seed power and allow a ceasefire when Australia is
32:38
Speaker 17: telling it that it's being rewarded for fighting this war.
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Speaker 17: So this decision only harms the fight against international terrorism.
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Speaker 1: It condemns Palestinians.
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Speaker 17: In Gaza to more war and more Hammas, more Hama's
32:53
Speaker 17: government and more Hammas barbarism against them. And it condemns
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Speaker 17: the hostages in the tunnels of Gaza because I'm has
33:00
Speaker 17: no reason to let them go. Now, by the way,
33:03
Speaker 17: that's the reason that the hostage family is wrote to Kiostama,
33:06
Speaker 17: the British Prime Minister, just before he made this decision,
33:10
Speaker 17: saying please don't do this. You're going to dramatically complicate
33:14
Speaker 17: cease fire talks because you're giving hamas a reason to
33:17
Speaker 17: keep holding onto those hostages. We think twenty of them
33:20
Speaker 17: are still alive. They need to be let out now.
33:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they wrote that very important letter to Kiirs Starma.
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Speaker 2: Are you clearly either.
33:27
Speaker 3: Threw it in the bin or didn't even look at
33:28
Speaker 3: it because obviously we know what he's done today now
33:31
Speaker 3: look Elan, an independent investigation commissioned by the UN's Human
33:35
Speaker 3: Rights Counsel, has decided that Australia actually isn't doing enough
33:39
Speaker 3: to end what they are alleging is a genocide in Gaza.
33:42
Speaker 3: The report was co authored by Australian human rights lawyer
33:45
Speaker 3: Chris Sudotti. On Palestinian recognition, he called it a necessary step,
33:50
Speaker 3: but not a sufficient step.
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Speaker 2: We have to do far more. Do you think that this.
33:55
Speaker 3: Recognition is now just the start and it's going to
33:57
Speaker 3: open the door to further sanctions, to further demonizing of Israel.
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Speaker 1: Look, this is ridiculous.
34:04
Speaker 17: Israel is fighting a war now to remove from power
34:06
Speaker 17: that she had, the army that launched this war and
34:08
Speaker 17: is still holding hostages. And when you read the ridiculous report,
34:12
Speaker 17: which twist logic ignores facts, one of Sidotti's co authors
34:16
Speaker 17: has in fact been condemned by the UN before for
34:19
Speaker 17: anti Semitism. They reach their ridiculous conclusion by pretending that
34:23
Speaker 17: Israel is fighting ghosts. You have to read till paragraph
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Speaker 17: thirty three to find the first mention of Hamas.
34:30
Speaker 1: So they reach the.
34:31
Speaker 17: Conclusion, the crazy conclusion that Israel is somehow trying to
34:34
Speaker 17: kill all the Palestinians, because they ignore the fact that
34:37
Speaker 17: it is trying to force Hamas out of power and
34:40
Speaker 17: free the hostages, while doing more than any army in
34:43
Speaker 17: the history of warfare to keep civilians safe from their
34:46
Speaker 17: own leaders who are fighting from tunnels underneath homes and
34:49
Speaker 17: schools and mosques and hospitals and trying to get them killed.
34:53
Speaker 17: So I think many the world leaders have been led astray.
34:55
Speaker 17: They see the UN there's this halo effect. They think
34:58
Speaker 17: that these are neutral, impartial observers. They're not. They're waging
35:03
Speaker 17: an information war against Israel, spreading the most barbaric libels
35:07
Speaker 17: against it to try to shield Hamas from the war
35:10
Speaker 17: that it started. To force Israel to end this war
35:13
Speaker 17: with Hammas still in power and the hostage is still
35:15
Speaker 17: in Gaza, And I want world leaders to really discover
35:18
Speaker 17: that sense of courage they had after the October seventh massacre,
35:22
Speaker 17: when they stood by their democratic ally and understood the
35:26
Speaker 17: only way we're going to get peace in this region
35:28
Speaker 17: is if Hamas is removed from power and all those
35:31
Speaker 17: hostages are returned home. Anything they do that pressures Israel
35:34
Speaker 17: to end the war only incentivizes Hamas to prolong the war,
35:40
Speaker 17: and it pushes peace further away.
35:41
Speaker 3: And the other issue as well is it's not like
35:43
Speaker 3: the UN can even be.
35:45
Speaker 2: Trusted ken it Elon.
35:46
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, a couple of months ago it
35:48
Speaker 3: came out saying that Israel was that there was a
35:51
Speaker 3: femine going on. I mean, they just constantly perpetuating this nonsense.
35:58
Speaker 17: Look take that hole as an example of how the
36:01
Speaker 17: UN has been leading an information war against Israel to
36:05
Speaker 17: shield Hamas. Israel has let in more than two million
36:09
Speaker 17: tons of aid in Tagaza during this war. It's more
36:11
Speaker 17: than one ton per man, woman and child, despite knowing
36:14
Speaker 17: that Hamas is hijacking it and stealing it and taxing
36:17
Speaker 17: it and starving the hostages. It's the biggest operation in
36:21
Speaker 17: history to deliver aid to enemy hell territory for civilians. Now,
36:26
Speaker 17: there was a declaration of famine a few months a
36:28
Speaker 17: few weeks ago. If there are a famine, you'd be
36:30
Speaker 17: seeing four hundred people a day dropping dead of hunger.
36:35
Speaker 17: But that just isn't happening. And it isn't happening because
36:39
Speaker 17: Israel hasn't been blocking aid. It's been leading in unprecedented.
36:42
Speaker 1: Quantities of aid.
36:43
Speaker 17: Are there shortages because Hamas is hijacking aid? Yes, just
36:47
Speaker 17: this week it hijacked a UNICEF truck. UNICEF had to
36:51
Speaker 17: report that just this week it shot at a UN
36:54
Speaker 17: humanitarian truck and stopped the opening of a new humanitarian convoy.
36:59
Speaker 17: Hamas is the distribution of aid in Gaza, despite Israel's
37:03
Speaker 17: best efforts to get aid to the people who need it,
37:05
Speaker 17: and it's reaching people, you know, if it doesn't reaching
37:08
Speaker 17: the hostages who are being starved in front of the
37:10
Speaker 17: cameras and literally look like walking skeletons.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you're absolutely spot on.
37:16
Speaker 3: Gin a shocking day on the world stage, Elon, and
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Speaker 3: it's all going to play out at the UN General
37:21
Speaker 3: Assembly over.
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Speaker 2: The next few days.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Elon Levy really appreciate you having
37:26
Speaker 3: you on as always.
37:27
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well still to come.
37:28
Speaker 3: Chris Bowlan won't rule out hiking renewables commitments, even as
37:31
Speaker 3: labor gets further away from achieving their current one. The
37:34
Speaker 3: Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd will join me plus extraordinary
37:39
Speaker 3: scenes from Arizona as thousands gathered to pay their respects
37:42
Speaker 3: to Charlie Kirk. Sky news contributor at Kosher Gada will
37:45
Speaker 3: have the latest next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well.
37:50
Speaker 3: About one hundred thousand people gathered in Arizona overnight to
37:53
Speaker 3: remember conservative activist Charlie kirk The biggest names in the
37:57
Speaker 3: Trump administration and the Republican Party spoke, including Charlie's wife Erica,
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Speaker 3: have another.
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Speaker 13: Look that young man, I forgive him.
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Speaker 16: Tonight we speak with Charlie and for Charlie louder than ever.
38:19
Speaker 18: He's bigger now than ever before, and he's eternal. He's eternal,
38:26
Speaker 18: and I just want to say we love him.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now for more on this This Guynese contributed
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Speaker 3: Kosha Gada.
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Speaker 2: Kosha, thank you so much for your time.
38:38
Speaker 3: Look, there were just so many extraordinary moments from this memorial,
38:42
Speaker 3: nun so than of course, when Erica Kirk forgave her
38:45
Speaker 3: husband's killer. And I also think it came at a
38:48
Speaker 3: time when the US could do with some healing and
38:51
Speaker 3: some forgiveness.
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Speaker 19: Indeed, I think Deniko, you know the two big themes
38:57
Speaker 19: that jump out at me and all of these speaches
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Speaker 19: over a couple dozen. Number one is definitely the forgiveness,
39:03
Speaker 19: the upliftment, the healing, and really just the foundation of
39:07
Speaker 19: Christianity that was out there. There were multiple presentations of
39:10
Speaker 19: Gospel of Scripture just unabashedly, which was very refreshing. This
39:15
Speaker 19: word revival was used again and again, and it is
39:18
Speaker 19: something that a lot of Christian dominant nations from the
39:21
Speaker 19: West have shied away from. Secularization has been on the rise.
39:25
Speaker 19: Being this overt with the Christian religious belief is something
39:29
Speaker 19: that has been mocked and ridiculed a lot, and it
39:31
Speaker 19: was very nice to see that being the foundation of
39:34
Speaker 19: that healing. The other thing too, though, that I think
39:36
Speaker 19: was very interesting, is there was also a good measure
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Speaker 19: of fire and brimstone, just staying in the Christian sense
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Speaker 19: around it with Stephen Miller's speech, Jack Pisovics, all of
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Speaker 19: them saying calling out evil, that is absolutely what led
39:49
Speaker 19: to Charlie Kirk's assassination, and that it is righteous to
39:52
Speaker 19: fight evil and defeat it. And that was a big
39:54
Speaker 19: sort of tone in some of the speeches as well,
39:56
Speaker 19: which is something that you don't typically see the right doing.
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Speaker 19: And I think that has just been galvanized so much,
40:02
Speaker 19: and it's going to be very interesting to see. As
40:04
Speaker 19: the Knight talked about what comes next from here for
40:07
Speaker 19: the country.
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Speaker 3: Well that was gonna be my next question, because there
40:10
Speaker 3: was that real fame message through it that we need
40:13
Speaker 3: to fight against evil, we need to keep pushing back
40:16
Speaker 3: against it. And Donald Trump spoke about it, Erica Kirk
40:18
Speaker 3: spoke about it. Do you think that this is now
40:21
Speaker 3: a turning point that you know, once you know, quiet
40:24
Speaker 3: Americans are no longer going to sit back, They're going
40:27
Speaker 3: to say no, enough is enough.
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Speaker 19: I think time will tell, and only time will tell.
40:33
Speaker 19: But it feels palpable what has happened after this, And
40:37
Speaker 19: I think, you know, for many reasons, just the symbolism
40:40
Speaker 19: the martyrdom of Charlie, this wholesome, clean cut Christian, all
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Speaker 19: American guy, and juxtaposed that against the way in which
40:48
Speaker 19: he was taken out. And we live in this world
40:50
Speaker 19: of infinite cameras everywhere, people will never unsee what they saw.
40:54
Speaker 19: There's been nothing like that really in history JFK's assassination
40:58
Speaker 19: is maybe the only other one that was caught on camera,
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Speaker 19: but the footage wasn't released until years later, when the
41:02
Speaker 19: emotional impact isn't as strong. Given the way this went down,
41:07
Speaker 19: it does seem to have sparked something in people, and
41:09
Speaker 19: you see little signals of it with a Jimmy Kimmel
41:12
Speaker 19: episode that happened and other things as well. And you
41:15
Speaker 19: know Stephen Miller, who's a policy guy. What he's been
41:18
Speaker 19: laying out is all of this on the back of
41:21
Speaker 19: Trump dedicating or designating I should say, Antifa is a
41:24
Speaker 19: domestic terror organization. What does that open up in terms
41:28
Speaker 19: of their investigative abilities, in terms of their prosecutorial abilities.
41:31
Speaker 19: Are they going to go and systematically dismantle some of
41:34
Speaker 19: these things as well as fight back in the culture.
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Speaker 19: I think we're seeing symbols of it and signals of it,
41:39
Speaker 19: and many people, I can say, are really hoping that
41:41
Speaker 19: that is one consequence that comes out of this horrible
41:44
Speaker 19: incident that took place.
41:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think so too. I think it's a
41:48
Speaker 3: real moment in history.
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Speaker 2: Definitely. I've got to ask you, Kosher.
41:52
Speaker 3: I noticed that Donald Trump sat side by side with
41:54
Speaker 3: Elon Musk.
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Speaker 2: Now, of course.
41:56
Speaker 3: They've had a very bitter public falling out in recent months,
42:01
Speaker 3: but they seemed very chummy again today. Perhaps Charlie Kirk,
42:05
Speaker 3: you know, in his death, has brought them back together.
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Speaker 2: What do you think. I think that's very astute.
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Speaker 19: That picture definitely went viral, and as you said at
42:14
Speaker 19: the top of the segment, Denika, that we need some
42:17
Speaker 19: healing and unity. I think Elon Musk tweeted that photo
42:20
Speaker 19: out or retweeted it out later with the words for
42:23
Speaker 19: it Charlie. So I think he very explicitly was making
42:25
Speaker 19: a nod to that that there is going to be
42:27
Speaker 19: that healing and unity. Somebody was quoting Ben Franklin, who
42:31
Speaker 19: famously said we must hang together, else we will hang separately,
42:35
Speaker 19: because they do see this as a fight against evil
42:38
Speaker 19: and a very vicious fight that is yet to continue
42:41
Speaker 19: respectfully but ferociously, and so it is nice to see
42:45
Speaker 19: if that's an example of two very powerful men with
42:48
Speaker 19: that bitter falling out, and if they have indeed come
42:50
Speaker 19: back together and are joining hands, that's one positive outcome
42:53
Speaker 19: towards healing and unity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 3: I think I actually think it was great to say
42:57
Speaker 3: them back together today. But look a monumental mind over
43:00
Speaker 3: an Arizona overnight, Kaschhagada. Good to see you, Thanks so
43:03
Speaker 3: much for joining me on the show. Still to come,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen won't rule out moving the goalposts on renewables commitments.
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Speaker 3: The Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd is next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Energy Minister Chris Bowen last week released an uncosted twenty
43:19
Speaker 3: thirty five emissions reduction target.
43:22
Speaker 2: So not only can he not say what this will
43:24
Speaker 2: do for your power bills, he's.
43:26
Speaker 3: Now refusing to say whether label will commit to ninety
43:28
Speaker 3: percent renewables to meet that target.
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Speaker 20: Will we need more than ninety percent renewables over the
43:35
Speaker 20: next Well, obviously is that because you've had a target
43:37
Speaker 20: for twenty thirty eighty two eighty ships?
43:39
Speaker 21: Keep talking about that?
43:40
Speaker 20: This what's the target for twenty thirty five?
43:42
Speaker 21: Well, if you look at the ISP, we'll keep going.
43:44
Speaker 20: So what's the twenty thirty five target for renewables?
43:46
Speaker 21: Well, we haven't set a particular target.
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Speaker 20: Why not?
43:49
Speaker 1: Well, what we have.
43:49
Speaker 21: Done is set our emissions reduction target.
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Speaker 20: You have a target of twenty thirty not twenty thirty five.
43:54
Speaker 21: Well, because we've we set the twenty thirty target for
43:56
Speaker 21: renewable energy. We're still working to achieve.
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Speaker 1: That be less than ninety percent.
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Speaker 21: Well, I think, informed by the expert advice David, is.
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Speaker 20: The correct, proper and methodical way of doing these things,
44:07
Speaker 20: which could be less than ninety percent.
44:08
Speaker 21: Well, you could say it could be less, could be more.
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Speaker 2: No, he does it, No does he yet?
44:14
Speaker 3: The Climate Change authorities recommendations for a sixty two to
44:17
Speaker 3: seventy percent target were based on, among other things, the
44:21
Speaker 3: ability to generate ninety percent of the country's electricity through renewables.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is The Australian's Environment editor Graham.
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Speaker 2: Lloyd Graham.
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Speaker 3: If Labor cannot put a target on paper, what does
44:32
Speaker 3: this say about the renewables fantasy? Let alone, it's uncosted
44:35
Speaker 3: twenty thirty five targets.
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Speaker 18: We'll get even into it. What it says is that
44:40
Speaker 18: Labor has learned it's lesson not to be too specific
44:43
Speaker 18: about what it intends to do. Really, whether that's the
44:46
Speaker 18: price of electricity or the amount of renewables that are
44:49
Speaker 18: going into the system. The learning has been that they've
44:52
Speaker 18: got very little control over it, and they best not
44:56
Speaker 18: make a firm declaration unless they be held to it out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, every expert has said that labor will
45:03
Speaker 3: not meet its twenty thirty target to begin with. So
45:06
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's just utterly bizarre that Labour's
45:08
Speaker 3: had some sort of weird light bulb moment of swords
45:11
Speaker 3: to raise it to sixty two to seventy percent by
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Speaker 3: twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 2: How are they actually going to get to this?
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Speaker 18: Well, certainly it's captured by the Paris Agreement scheme, where
45:22
Speaker 18: countries have an obligation to increase their ambition, if you like,
45:26
Speaker 18: every five years.
45:28
Speaker 1: So they've met that. But a lot of the world.
45:30
Speaker 18: Is making targets and it's got no intention whatsoever of
45:34
Speaker 18: meeting them. Australia is sort of trying to play by
45:38
Speaker 18: the rules, if you like, and finding it incredibly difficult,
45:42
Speaker 18: and at some point in time the government's going to
45:44
Speaker 18: be hoisted on its own petard.
45:46
Speaker 2: Well, look, you mentioned Paris.
45:48
Speaker 3: I mean, is this not more evidence for Susan Lee
45:51
Speaker 3: to get us off this magic carpet riot of net
45:54
Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty.
45:57
Speaker 18: Well, there's a lot of leaders around the world questioning
45:59
Speaker 18: whether it was a good idea committing to net zero
46:02
Speaker 18: by twenty fifty. The Conservatives in Australia, they're wrestling with
46:06
Speaker 18: this issue whether there's more pain in surrendering and continuing
46:11
Speaker 18: to fight over it, or to find another way through,
46:14
Speaker 18: and that's something that they have to have to solve.
46:17
Speaker 1: I think the big dilemma for.
46:18
Speaker 18: Everybody is to if you want to cut emissions, find
46:22
Speaker 18: the best way to do that and stop talking about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look some spot on. It's actually that simple.
46:28
Speaker 3: And look, Graham, yet another nail in the coffin for
46:31
Speaker 3: the renewables fantasy. Today, not one energy company has committed
46:35
Speaker 3: to fund a new wind farm so far this year,
46:38
Speaker 3: not one, Graham. And this on top of the multiple
46:41
Speaker 3: delays and the cancelations of other renewables projects we've seen
46:45
Speaker 3: this year. I've actually lost count of the number that
46:48
Speaker 3: this has happened to.
46:49
Speaker 2: So where does it leave the industry.
46:51
Speaker 18: Well, it leaves the industry really scratching its head at
46:54
Speaker 18: the moment. There's huge ambitions to build all these things,
46:58
Speaker 18: and what they're finding is that they're not bankable, so
47:02
Speaker 18: the finance industry isn't coming behind them, and the government
47:08
Speaker 18: has put in place a scheme that's going to offer
47:11
Speaker 18: a pathway so you've got the government really competing with
47:15
Speaker 18: private sector lenders. The private sector won't put up funds
47:19
Speaker 18: because it thinks it might have the grass cut if
47:22
Speaker 18: you like, by government, and you can sure as night
47:25
Speaker 18: follows day say that it's taxpayers who are going to
47:29
Speaker 18: be left holding the bill.
47:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, as we have for everything under labor.
47:34
Speaker 2: Look, we're almost out of time very quickly.
47:36
Speaker 3: Anthony Arberaneesi is in a deadlock with Turkey over the
47:39
Speaker 3: rights to host the COP thirty one climate conference for
47:42
Speaker 3: the bargin price grame of three hundred million dollars. Would
47:44
Speaker 3: you believe, But he's over in the US spooking at
47:47
Speaker 3: the moment. It's spooking it at nothing like playing Host
47:50
Speaker 3: Graham to a party you can't actually afford for a
47:53
Speaker 3: problem that you can't even solve.
47:55
Speaker 1: Well, this is a big question.
47:57
Speaker 18: Is that you wonder whether they now think it was
48:00
Speaker 18: worth all the emotional effort that's gone into and talking
48:04
Speaker 18: about it. Turkey has shown that it really doesn't want
48:08
Speaker 18: to pull out, or if it does, it wants to
48:09
Speaker 18: be given something in exchange. So you know, not only
48:14
Speaker 18: the three hundred million, there's going to be something that
48:16
Speaker 18: will be offered to Turkey to get them to change
48:19
Speaker 18: their mind. And I think people are writes a question
48:23
Speaker 18: whether it's worth.
48:24
Speaker 3: It, Yeah no, And as I said, for the bargain
48:26
Speaker 3: price of three hundred million dollars getting people flying here
48:29
Speaker 3: on their private jets to talk about I don't know,
48:31
Speaker 3: private jets perhaps, Graham Lloyd, thank you so much for
48:33
Speaker 3: joining us on the show. Good to catch up. Thank
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Speaker 3: you for your company. I'll be back again tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned. Paul Murray's next