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Jakob Nowell of Sublime · Caught on the Mike...

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SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer, the views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
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SPEAKER_00: Listener discretion is advised.
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SPEAKER_00: This summer, two timelines collide.
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SPEAKER_00: 30 years ago, Sublime became one of the most divining albums of an era.
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SPEAKER_00: Today, the band's first new album in nearly three decades arrives with the familiar last name, Helping Fleet the Way.
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SPEAKER_00: But this isn't simply a story about inheritance.
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SPEAKER_00: It's about connections between fathers and sons, between generations of fans, between the music we grow up with and the music we pass down.
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SPEAKER_00: As someone who watched his own daughter push her way to the front barricades of the Sublime show last summer, I can tell you firsthand, these dogs still matter.
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SPEAKER_00: Jacob Noel of Sublime joins me on the podcast today.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been waiting for this one.
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SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mike.
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SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm super excited because I'm in my new studio, just remodeled this last week.
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SPEAKER_00: I was remodeling the studio while listening to this fantastic album that drops this Friday.
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SPEAKER_00: Actually, by the time you hear this episode, the album will already be out.
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SPEAKER_00: But until the sun explodes, this summer marks 30 years since Sublime changed alternative music forever.
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SPEAKER_00: Three decades later, the band's story is still being written.
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SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is the one, the only, Jacob Noel, a musician who spent years carving out his own identity while carrying one of Rock's most familiar last names.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, with the 30th anniversary of the self-titled album arriving on July 30th and Until the Sun Explodes dropping this week, the new Sublime album, first new Sublime album in nearly 30 years.
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SPEAKER_00: He's helping bridge generations of fans through music, family, and legacy.
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SPEAKER_00: And man, I can't dude.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't say that word family enough, bro.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: That's uh amazing uh accolades and intro.
2:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I really do appreciate it.
2:26
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: Glad to be here, guys.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: What's up?
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, I am so stoked.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, this has to be one of the most surreal summers of your life.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: It is surreal a hundred percent.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: So you're releasing the first new Sublime album in nearly three decades while celebrating the 30th anniversary of the self-titled record.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: Have you had time to process the significance of those two milestones happening simultaneously?
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SPEAKER_01: No, no time to process, man.
2:55
SPEAKER_01: Just uh just work, work, work.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: It's been back to back, just shows and tours and interviews, and uh, I really haven't had a second to myself to sit down and and uh you know contextualize all this.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: So maybe that's for the best.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, right now it's just push forward and uh get get this music out for all these good people who want to hear it and and and play some shows and and uh help people have some fun.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, I the a recurring theme throughout our conversation is gonna be family.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, I kind of going back and forth and realizing that Sublime's music, aside from the lineage between you and your father, has always been about extended family, even people that are blood related to you.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: Um does the anniversary uh coming this year as well as releasing this new album uh put pressure on the new music or does it make it feel more meaningful?
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SPEAKER_01: A little bit of both, definitely, you know.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, but everything I do, I just want to be respectful to the legacy and uh sort of you know know my place and just uh uh try to uh be as honest and as genuine as I can be throughout all this.
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SPEAKER_01: So um it is really special and I feel grateful to get to be part of a legacy like this.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Just kind of giving you a personal anecdote.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take you back to 1994.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: Old times before your time, even.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: But uh I was living in middle of nowhere, southwest Iowa.
4:19
SPEAKER_00: We had a guy from Long Beach move to our town, and he brought the first copy of 40 ounces to freedom that I had ever heard, and we shared it with everybody in town.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm feeling Uber hipster here saying, Yeah, I've I was a fan of Sublime before the self-titled.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: But now, 30 years later, um, my daughter, you guys are her most favorite band, and she's starting her own band.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: And so Oh, what are they called?
4:48
SPEAKER_00: They're called Rose Lane.
4:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, that's so cool.
4:52
SPEAKER_01: That's what it's all about, man.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, and that's that's why I said this recurring theme here is you know, my father was a musician, I was a musician, my daughter's a musician, and you know, uh obviously your family tree of musicians as well.
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SPEAKER_00: When did you first realize how important your father's music was to people?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know, all all throughout my youth, it's been pretty uh well demonstrated to me.
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SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, every time I I I get I meet somebody, a fan, and then they share me their stories about how it's touched them, it's it's quite amazing.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: I I keep realizing on deeper and deeper levels as I do this.
5:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:34
SPEAKER_00: So was there a moment when you saw the fan connection through your own eyes rather than just hearing anecdotal stories?
5:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, man.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh I like I said, I think I think at the shows, definitely, when I see people connect with it and um, you know, uh seeing people in person with their families, uh, it really shows you uh how much it means to them.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, um the trajectory of your your place in the band kind of seemed like it happened pretty fast because I remember, you know, reading about and hearing Jacob's Castle, and so before Sublime re-entered the picture, you spent years building your own projects and identity as an artist.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: Why was it important to you to establish yourself independently first?
6:24
SPEAKER_01: Authenticity and in being genuine, you know.
6:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, it wasn't even in my head like I'm doing at first.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: There was no uh idea in my head that I would ever join my father's band.
6:33
SPEAKER_01: It just seemed inappropriate.
6:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, even wanting to do music in the first place.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: Um of course I'm inspired by my father's path and legacy and all of that sort of thing.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: But I I um every musician's got their own story to tell, I guess, and I had to at least start that process first.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: So um me joining Sublime right now, it's just another uh part of my career.
6:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh something I'm definitely not gonna be doing forever.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: Um this year, you know, we put out a record and I want to spend a lot of time and give it its time in the sun and play a bunch of shows with the project.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: But next year, probably not as much.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: Um much less, you know, focusing on my own endeavors, focusing on sunburnt records, and uh bringing up the young bands who in the Southern California scene who've been inspired by Sublime and uh trying to see uh what's next in this awesome canon of of West Coast alternative music.
7:26
SPEAKER_01: So um I'm happy to just be a small cog in that big uh machine.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: Bro, I am stoked to hear you say that.
7:34
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: Because I tell you what, man, as soon as as soon as I'm done pressing the record button, I want to talk to you about maybe some more uh collaboration in the future for sure.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, so what lessons did you learn from your own projects that you're kind of applying to this project right now?
7:53
SPEAKER_01: That's a great one, man.
7:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, uh working with others is a big part of this.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: You know, this is a collaborative thing.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: It's not just uh I'm I'm happy that I'm in a position where, you know, I feel uh lucky and I I have a lot of respect that I get to be in this position where I'm I'm the sort of centralizing figure for a lot of this stuff.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: But all of that's temporary, you know.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: I I wouldn't be here uh without the experiences I've had working with my my friends and my family, honestly.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Um all art is is collaborative just by its very nature, even if you're uh isolated in a forest somewhere, you know, where we're talking about the human experience here, we're interacting with history and uh you know, uh making art as communication, trying to say the things that we can't just talk about in normal conversations.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: So um I I I think going out and living my own life before even dreaming of the possibility of being involved with a project that I have familial ties to uh was the right path for me for sure.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: So it it kind of started with uh an HR uh birthday bash for HR, didn't it?
8:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it was a big benefit concert for him.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Um and Bud and Eric wanted to come together and do Sublime songs.
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SPEAKER_01: They asked me to sing.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: We had such a good time doing it, and the footage made its way back to Paul Tillette, who uh puts on Coachella, and he was a big, you know, he got his start in the same era that Sublime did, so he had a lot of nostalgia for that time.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: He threw us on the bill and it really made some splashes for us.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: So uh I we kept the band going and through the touring process, just playing with each other, we naturally would create songs that excited us.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: And I was already working on my own uh project in the Harvard Martyr studio in San Pedro with our producer John Joseph, who's a co-writer with me.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: And I work frequently with my friend uh Zano uh in my band and his project, um Strange Case and Thruster.
9:40
SPEAKER_01: So uh I think once uh that brought in that element, like it's now it's not only the the old guard of Bud and Eric and Dougie and Trey and and and and and Zinger and all the people from that era, but me and my friends, you know, bringing that that kind of natural uh connection to it.
9:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what made Sublime so cool.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: It was just a bunch of friends hanging out, collaborating and and and telling us stories of their lives and their everyday situations.
10:05
SPEAKER_01: So uh bringing that together was this great like passing of the torch moment, but also just uh almost like, you know, none of nothing's ever left.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: Like it's here forever.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: This this it really is all here forever.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: It's and that's why I called the album Till the Sun Explodes.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: So it all came about very naturally.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: And um you never thought I'd join the band, let alone certainly not be putting out music under the name Sublime.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I hope I've paid my dues and I have the respect and uh approval of the old guard and and the classic fans.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: And and uh we're bringing in a bunch of more uh young fans right now, too, that I get to have their their their piece of history and their time in this in this big crazy story of our scene.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: So it's really, really lucky, really fortunate about that.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: Was there a defining conversation between you, Bud, and Eric about the legacy and what it looked like moving forward?
10:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, man.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, no.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: I there there was no like definitive conversation or anything like that.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: It was just uh it just happened naturally.
11:02
SPEAKER_01: You just keep playing music and having fun, and it's this sort of like silent acknowledgement type of thing more than anything else.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: As you can see, I'm out here in Long Beach, California right now.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah, Fourth Street, just hanging out, man.
11:14
SPEAKER_01: Like I I'm not leaving, I'm not going anywhere, man.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm just kicking it here, getting a haircut, gonna take my girlfriend out to dinner after this.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: And uh we're really lucky by how many people like it and how big it's gotten.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: But um, a big part of what we do, uh just by its very nature is that it's still about the you know, the West Coast lifestyle and the scene and and and not not changing or diverting from that.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: It's not about you know big parties and awards and stuff like that.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: It's just about hanging out with people you care about and telling that story through your music.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: I think people relate with that stuff a lot too.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: Hell yeah, dude.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: I was talking about my daughter.
11:51
SPEAKER_00: I took her to see you last summer in Council Bluffs uh show you guys did with 311.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: She's got a small frame girl.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: I watched her throw elbows to get herself to the front barrier so she could watch you guys.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: And that was one of the best like bonding moments I think I've ever had with her.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it it's weird because it does it's not weird, but it it's very compelling.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: It's interesting though.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah, totally, dude.
12:18
SPEAKER_00: It's it's like the familial ties that Sublime has has carried through their music, and and you're doing such a fantastic job.
12:25
SPEAKER_00: Like I've been, like I told you, I've been jamming the album for about a week now, and every day I have a different favorite song, uh, FTR Figaroa favorite songs.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, man.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: That means so much.
12:37
SPEAKER_00: Dude, and it's like every time I listen to it, I have a new favorite song.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: But I I think we'd be remiss not to talk about the uh the 30th anniversary of the self-titled album.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think that that record still connects with people 30 years later after it came out?
12:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I I I I think it goes back to that genuine quality, right?
12:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's really just uh the material is is the the the honest lives of of humans uh portrayed honestly, and um when people see that they connect with it just by its very nature.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, how do you get people to see it?
13:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, the song's gotta be good.
13:17
SPEAKER_01: So I think you have this rare blend of not only the right material, but it's coinciding with a band that had finally figured out their sound.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: And I think anybody who worked on that record will tell you that they'd finally gotten to this place where they knew what the band was supposed to fucking sound like.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: So for us going forward from uh into until the sun explodes, of course, we took in everything they ever recorded and all the bootlegs and all the shows and performances and interviews, we took that all into consideration.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: We're making the record.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, but really uh self-titled is is the biggest uh key cipher in the map, as it were.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
13:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes that makes total sense.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: And again, you know, I could hear spiritual successors to that album in the new album.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: Um sorry, I'm pushing my tit up against the window for my check.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: No, but I I could uh hear spiritual successors in some of the songs on the new album, uh connecting it to the self-titled album.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Until the sun explodes, that track is very personal and emotional.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: Was there ever a point Was there ever a point where the song felt too personal to release?
14:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of the whole record, you know.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of them are more like silly uh inside jokes like Insenata or like uh, you know, fictional stories like Can't Miss You.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: But then there were times when I really wanted to explore honestly how it is that I feel, because otherwise I wouldn't be doing my part, you know.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: I might not lead the same exact lives that my dad and his friends did, but I lead a life that is directly influenced by that, uh, whether I I like it or not, whether I can control that or not.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: So I have to give thanks and I have to acknowledge.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad people connect with it, man.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad people were seeing that.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we got a bunch of weeks in the row at number one at Alternative Radio Airplay for Entonada, and now we're three weeks in a row for until the sun explodes.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: So we got a great team working here, and it shows to me too that that people have their own experiences that they they connect with that.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just here to, you know, be a part of telling those stories.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: And uh truthfully, it was there were some times when it was a little too much of uh digging into that personal thing, and uh there was some apprehension about like should we even put this out?
15:35
SPEAKER_01: But I'm glad we did.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes, dude, I'm glad you called that out because I was gonna point out the fact that Until the Sun Explodes is running multiple weeks in a row at number one.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: Incinata ran eight weeks in a row at number one.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: It is but it's not what what's funny, another personal anecdote is I saw you live last summer and it was literally a week before Incinata dropped.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: And you you guys had been you had been playing like little acoustic snip snippets online and kind of been teasing the album or teasing the song, and then once the song dropped, I saw TikTok trends of like people like literally in tears going, Oh my gosh, this is sublime, you know?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: Like just that revelation.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: That was famous.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: Stuff like that is so cool to me.
16:19
SPEAKER_01: So so fucking cool.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, I I can't believe it to get that kind of response from people um is quite literally the dream.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, talking about vulnerabilities and such, you've spoken pretty openly about the pressure that comes with this role.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: How do you separate honoring the past from being trapped by it?
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, I think that's a great uh that's a great question, man.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: I think we all have pressures in our day-to-day lives that we experience just by being humans and being our our parents' children.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Um we're all pressured to fit into a role.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: And there's many different ways we gotta deal with that.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: Um in my situation, sometimes it's easy to hear all these people's stories and their expectations and the scrutiny and the comparison and the the new spotlight that, you know, is small by some metrics, but a lot bigger by other people's metrics.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: So I just try to keep myself right size, you know.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: I I remind myself that, you know, although I take my job very seriously and it is important and it's sacred, and there's honor to it.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm also not curing cancer here, you know.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm not, you know, I'm not doing that.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it's we're doing stuff that does mean a lot to folks.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: So um I know I'm human and I'm I'm gonna make mistakes.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I hope that people just enjoy what it is that I'm doing and have fun with it.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: And um and I try to get to a point where I realize that no matter what I do, uh I'm I'm it's okay to just be me, you know.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't have to wear any mask or be uh somebody that I'm not, um uh that Jake as himself is is valid and is okay in his own right.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: And uh I wouldn't be able to do that without the people around me, man.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: You know, my family, my friends, my girlfriend, the fucking people who really matter, Zane and John and Carter and Max and all the all these people.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: Um that that's really what makes this thing worthwhile, is that we're not making music in a vacuum here.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's a big open community.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: And um, and uh we're inviting everybody to become part of that, man.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: We'll be here until the sun explodes.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes, dude.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: I tell you what, I've been dropping the uh declare me stoked all week.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: Like teaching.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: We love those little sayings and adages like that, man.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: It's so it's so key.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: Dude, that's awesome.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So was there a moment where you had to like take a step back, take a beat, and have this kind of internal conversation with yourself where you had to become more comfortable with carrying that responsibility?
19:00
SPEAKER_00: Because it seems like you're at peace with it now.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, most definitely.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm much more at peace with it now than I am, but I still struggle all the time because you know it's always getting brought up, and I have to do a lot of interviews and meet a bunch of people every day, just stop on the street, even or at shows and and talk about this thing, and then it reminds me, like, oh yeah, this really is this real thing, and you got to think about your your deceased relatives.
19:21
SPEAKER_01: So I think to survive, you have to come up with something to uh to just accept yourself and accept the world and and accept your lot in life.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, my name is Jacob Knowle and I'm five foot ten and I and I like to sing and and play guitar and and a bunch of other shit too.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Um remember remembering that stuff uh helps out a lot and makes you realize that you know I've I've got it.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: There's not a day that goes by which I can just give it all back.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: That it was just my dad doing this, and that, you know, uh you know, that that's what that song's all about.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: It should be him here doing this, isn't it?
19:55
SPEAKER_01: And and we all want that.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: Um but I accept what life has to offer me right now, and so I can be bummed out at the fact that none of this matters and the sun's gonna blow up someday and it'll all be for nothing, or I could rejoice and and say, like, well, thank God it was never that meaningful to begin with.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: That means we can kind of do whatever the fuck we want and and try to make the world a a nicer place for the people who are around us.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, kind of taking a beat and thinking about that legacy.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: What's something about your father that you wish more people understood?
20:34
SPEAKER_01: I guess I wish people understood that he was uh a unique and flawed human, just like anybody else.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Um it's easy to mythologize and legendify, and I'm I'm flattered that someone in my family could get to that stage.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: But uh he was complicated and his music will tell you that.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Um but the main thing I want people to know is how much he was beloved by his friends.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, not just the people who didn't know him, who were touched by the music, although sure he'd be very flattered, and I know we all are.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: But how much he meant to it wasn't like losing like the absentee Uncle Ricky, everyone like oh fuck that asshole, he sucked anyways.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if that's a real but they but truthfully, he um for all of his flaws he was the glue that held together so much in in the lives of the people that I care about today.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: His loss will forever be filled, uh felt and can never be f fully filled.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: But I think it's through that that we grow and that life keeps propagating itself westward to what the westward the wagons downwards through the sands of time, you know.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: For sure, for sure, man.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: So what's a trait of his that you recognize in yourself today?
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, I can be impulsive sometimes, uh chaotic.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh I see the world the pretty weird way, and uh it's always made me feel uh ostracized and othered.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Although the sometimes I know we kind of put that on ourselves and we become sort of terminally unique, right?
22:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh we're not all that different at the end of the day, but uh true, truthfully, uh I I I feel like I see things weird sometimes.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: And growing up, I'd be at odds with with that and the world and struggling against it.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: And and my mom didn't know what the fuck to do with me.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, because we're not similar in that regard.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: And she would always just tell me, you know, I wish your father was here because he would have understood.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: He would have been the guy that that got the way you're thinking about this stuff.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: And so so much of my life I just felt cheated out of that, that things would be easier.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: But you know, you can't blame all your problems on on misfortune or or uh one bad experience.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh we all have a choice today.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's not easy.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: So that's I feel like it's easy for me to say, but it's not easy, man.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's tough and it fucking sucks.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: And uh there doesn't always need to be a silver lining as well.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes things can just suck and have that be okay.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I like I'd like to believe that what I've discovered through hearing stories about my father through his friends and family and loved ones, and just uh going through the catalog and studying the music and the material.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: I I I I'll bet you he and I were pretty similar in a lot of ways.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: For sure.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Now, you're doing a lot of shows, you've already done a lot of shows in 2026 so far.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, a show just got announced in my market where you're actually performing solo with co-defendants, and that's pretty awesome on August 5th at the waiting.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: Can't wait for that one.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I know that one.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: That's gonna be sick.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's funny is um I'm gonna have to miss that one, but I'm coming to Colorado.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: I'm coming to Fiddler's Green two days later to come hang out with you guys.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be sick, dude.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, I am so stoked for that.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: So when people look back on 2025 and 2026, they may view this period as the new beginning or a beginning of a brand new chapter for Sublime.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: What do you hope fans hear when they listen to Until the Sun Explodes?
24:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, yeah, I know you said it.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: That that that's honestly the goal and the hope is that this can be looked at as sort of like the Renaissance era.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: I I hope they hear, you know, the sound and the excitement of a brand new era, brand new epoch of Southern California, West Coast alternative rock music, alternative music in general, of all different genres that has that common throughput of everything that gets made around here, whether it's from the Beach Boys or Red Hot Chili Peppers to you know NWA or fucking name another, you know, California staple of all across all genres, or or penny wise, you know, like the punk rock side of things as well.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's all the different sounds of a very unique and interesting center of entertainment and diverse culture and weird ass experiences, you know.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: Your uncle stealing your phone to sell for dope and then helping you look for it, type of shit.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: That's the best analogy ever.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, uh you know he took it, but you just kind of don't want to say anything.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: And and I I love it here, man.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: I love it here.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: I I hope people can recognize that love and that fun, but also a little bit of that um emotional core and center and that just struggling to understand ourselves in our unique place.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: And I hope it inspires people to tell the stories of where they're at, man.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: This is our communication.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: We're just little points of light.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: So start, you know, sending out the beacon, start connecting.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: And uh the future here for me at least is Sunburnt Records and and and putting out some some music for some up-and-coming bands and and seeing if a brand new scene inspired by the old ways can happen, because I got a good feeling it is, and it's already happening, and and I'm happy to be a part of that.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: Fuck yeah, dude.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Fuck yeah.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: So if and I know this is sp speculative, but if your dad w were here today and he could somehow hear this new record, what do you think he would say about it?
26:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a cool one, man.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, first off, until the sun explodes is kind of that's sort of the premise of it.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Like I just wish that he knew how much that I owe him everything.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And the fans too.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: I wish they knew how much I owe them my life.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: All of that, I just if you were here, you know, I just getting to go to the UK or or other countries to to bring this music of our people forward.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: I just wish you were here.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: I think that if he heard the record today, my honest hope would be that he'd hear it and immediately have to pause the song ten seconds in because he had a million ideas.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, we should try this, we should try this, oh let's do this here.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh no, take that chord progression, but let's use it for this thing.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Or or these lyrics, put the put this right here.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I I I would hope he would just get so excited.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: The same excitement like when he's just, you know, driving to surfside about to grab his board and charge into the water, you know, like just like you just can't wait because something takes you, you know, you're possessed by that creative spirit and the muses, you know.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, I I hoped uh I would hope that that he would have that excitement and that desire to collaborate.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Cause uh man, uh I think the actions that we take permeate all the places that we go to and all the people that we interact with, and there's there's evidence of our existence within all of these people.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: And I I feel that same excitement to collaborate that must be its source, must be from my father.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: So uh it's still all here, man.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Fuck yes.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Dude, my closing question that I ask every single guest that does the show, and I can't wait to hear your answer.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Given your experience and everything that you're going through right now, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
27:48
SPEAKER_01: In the middle of your day, not at the beginning, not at the end, in the middle of your day, ask yourself who have I helped today.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: And if the answer is nobody, then it's just know that it's not too late.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Try to help somebody in some small way around you every single day.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: Um I got haha.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Jacob Noel, I am so excited for the new Sublime record.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: I can't wait for the rest of the world to hear it.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm a privileged motherfucker because I got it early.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: But uh guys, check this album out.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: First chance you get.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to see what happens with Jacob's Castle, what's gonna happen with Sunburnt.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: Brother, thank you so much for doing the show.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, man.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: This was such a fantastic time and great conversation.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: Just thanks for checking out our record.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: I hope everyone out there, when you listen to it, I hope you hope it makes you gives you some ideas.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And uh I can't wait to hear all about it.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: And uh stoked to see you at the show uh Fiddler's brother.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Once again, I'd like to thank my friend Jacob Noel for joining me on the podcast today.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Until the Sun Explodes is available everywhere right now and in July, July 30th, as a matter of fact, Sublime's self-titled album has its 30th anniversary.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: Be on the lookout for some announcements surrounding that.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank my friend Lauren at Beachwood Entertainment Co.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: for helping orchestrate this interview.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: This was such a huge moment and such a great time.
29:19
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29:23
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29:29
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29:36
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29:43
SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mike with Michael Clark.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm Michael Clark.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: Until next time, thank you.