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Monday Mini: So Cliché · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha broken me stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told you affection if I hurt it here.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday Mini that's centered around me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you ready.
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  Speaker 2: So I have been reflecting on my once again crisis
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  Speaker 2: of trying to get into the holiday spirit. We've already
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  Speaker 2: talked about this many times, and you know, I've decided
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  Speaker 2: I'm really just gonna love the cliche of it all.
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  Speaker 2: And I started thinking about it. Is it really always
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  Speaker 2: bad to like or be a part of a cliche? Anny?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So for clarification here, cliche is a try phrase or expression,
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  Speaker 2: a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation, something that has become
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  Speaker 2: overly familiar or commonplace. And this is all according to
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  Speaker 2: Merriam Webster, and the scripper writes this, a cliche is
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  Speaker 2: an expression of trope that has lost its impact due
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  Speaker 2: to excessive use in a given cultural context. Time Heals
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  Speaker 2: All Wounds is an example of a cliche. Cliches are
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  Speaker 2: often perceived as a sign of a lack of effort, imagination,
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  Speaker 2: or sincerity in writing, speech and creative works. So in
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  Speaker 2: this context, something we would think is done too much.
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  Speaker 2: But if we look at how long people and just
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  Speaker 2: creativity have been around, I mean, really, there's really nothing new.
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  Speaker 2: It's just recycled, and we can tell that by fashion
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  Speaker 2: all the fashion. So why hey, Annie, why can't I
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  Speaker 2: be somewhat cliche? Huh?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm going into this with very heavy, heavy handed Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I like why yes the actor? Yes, why yes? I
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  Speaker 2: would love a pumpkin spice, anything and everything, and please
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  Speaker 2: give me that green bean cast role. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: my partner's mother made an amazing one. It was from scratch.
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  Speaker 2: I do things from a can, and she did an
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  Speaker 2: amazing job like it even sautate her mushrooms with like
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  Speaker 2: nut make like. She did a whole thing and it
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  Speaker 2: was delicious. I would say, avocada toast, put an egg
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  Speaker 2: on it, and I'll eat that thing. Yes, I will
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  Speaker 2: make sure it has I will say I dig it.
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  Speaker 2: From my partner sister, she was like, if it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be expensive and it doesn't have some type of like
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  Speaker 2: meat team component, that just seems outrageous. And I had
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  Speaker 2: to think about that. I'm like, but that means it's
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily avocatta toast anymore. It's just saying, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't want I agree with her. It's expensive. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: paying something that's so expensive that it looks like it
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  Speaker 2: should have at least an egg on it.
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  Speaker 1: It's true, it's true.
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  Speaker 3: And my food podcast is coming out avocado has protein
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  Speaker 3: at number one. But I think the issue is, like
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  Speaker 3: avocado is really expensive, and then a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: in our stores are underpriced. However a lot of restaurants
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  Speaker 3: overprice them, so it's like we have a we're not
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  Speaker 3: paying the right people the price. The people who should
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  Speaker 3: be getting the money aren't getting the money. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: when you get avocado toasted, like twelve dollars, but it is,
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  Speaker 3: avocados are really expensive.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. And if we have Tarot's next year, specifically
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  Speaker 2: in Mexico, we're in trouble, even though we already know
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of in trouble, but even more so. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: speaking of cliche foods, because apparently I think avocado toast
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  Speaker 2: would be in that now overdone label. These are some
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  Speaker 2: of the foods that a twenty nineteen kitchen article wrote
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  Speaker 2: as some of the most cliche, fancy foods. And I
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  Speaker 2: want to see if you agree that you think they're
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  Speaker 2: cliche European butter.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really, so we really get into the Irish butter
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  Speaker 2: over her?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's better than what I use.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that my partner thinks the quality has changed
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  Speaker 2: since the begetting since especially since it's popularization. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I've been told, all right, yeah, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: what about okay, And I'm a little confused. Oysters it's
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  Speaker 2: oil stores cliche. I guess it's become fancy.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of you're like, yeah, yeah, you're going out,
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  Speaker 3: You're getting oysters and champagne. It's a it's a fancy
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  Speaker 3: I don't know people, because a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: They'll just hate the texture. They're very afraid of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't try them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it can't be ever done. People just are
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  Speaker 2: already don't like it, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the idea of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah. One I think is kind of funny
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna lie. Did I buy like a
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  Speaker 2: little pack of it when I was in Seattle? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: good olive oils or flavored olive oils. We got some
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  Speaker 2: fancy olive oil up here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I give that to my mom
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the holidays, good just spices. So one of
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  Speaker 2: the other things they have listed on here is truffle salt,
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  Speaker 2: and I did get like the Maldon fancy salts. We
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  Speaker 2: just got some for our family, like we're his family
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  Speaker 2: to have at the house. I'm cliche. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I like a good seasoned salt. Give me that garlic
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  Speaker 2: season salt. Yummy. Who doesn't love seasonings? What is wrong
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  Speaker 2: with you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's funny because of course, holidays in general
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  Speaker 2: are steeped and cliches or somebody just call them traditions.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't they just be traditions? Am I watching all
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  Speaker 2: of the New Girls Thanksgiving and Christmas episodes? Yes? Have
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  Speaker 2: I watched many of the sitcoms Christmas specials? I think
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  Speaker 2: I've watched all the ones I usually always watch, and
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about the Scrubs one, and I watched those two.
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  Speaker 2: It's barely so. Yeah, I went all in. I have
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  Speaker 2: a problem. Did I buy the Christmas Tree Debbie Cakes? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did, as well as the Christmas Tree Reese's
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  Speaker 2: cup or Reese's sand Us or the Christmas Tree recess
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  Speaker 2: like there's so many variations of it that yes, do
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  Speaker 2: I eat them? No, that's my partner. Yes, so the
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  Speaker 2: act of buying them, I guess, so just being seasonal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So cliches aren't just my overdone traditions and desperate attempts
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  Speaker 2: to fill the holidays in my heart. Yes, to melt
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  Speaker 2: the ice from my cold soul just a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: this is my attempt. But also tropes and cliches that
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about are about writings and book plots. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we talked about this in movie plots, Like, so many
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  Speaker 2: of these are cliches and tropes that they kind of
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  Speaker 2: get intermingled as words within the industry. One interview that
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  Speaker 2: Bookish Bruce dot Com did with author Sujan Witherspoon talk
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  Speaker 2: about some of these cliches and how to use those
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  Speaker 2: cliches and whether or not it's bad to have cliches.
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  Speaker 2: So in the interview they wrote specifically about tropes, saying
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  Speaker 2: this book tropes refer to narrative conventions and recurring themes
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  Speaker 2: found in genre fiction. Think the third act breakup in
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  Speaker 2: a romance novel, or the group is split up in
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  Speaker 2: a horror movie. If tropes are used in a story.
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  Speaker 2: It's usually to fulfill the conventions of the genre and
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  Speaker 2: the reader's expectation of the book they pick up whether
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  Speaker 2: the author is doing this consciously or not. And as
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's not just in books. My K dramas
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  Speaker 2: are riddled with them, so much so they have become
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  Speaker 2: hilarious online memes or jokes, like literally talking about comparing
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  Speaker 2: different dramas American dramas versus Korean dramas, and the overall
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  Speaker 2: cliche of it all, including there's always a love triangle,
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  Speaker 2: there must be, there's always a second lead. Have to
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  Speaker 2: randomly getting hit by a car? Why not? Like, there's
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  Speaker 2: so much of that that I'm like, what, there's so
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  Speaker 2: much the whole like protecting someone's back by using your
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  Speaker 2: own back, hugging from behind, that's all a part of
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  Speaker 2: the K drama. Then for some reason they work, and
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  Speaker 2: we're all like, oh, the anticipation mm hmmmm. The first kiss,
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  Speaker 2: the very very liplocked kiss, like they're not moving this thing,
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  Speaker 2: but they're like person barely, they're not even pursing their lips.
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  Speaker 2: Kiss that happens in episode seven, mm hm. And everybody
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  Speaker 2: finds that risque, like we love we love this there's
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  Speaker 2: something that builds up to this. So in this interview,
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  Speaker 2: the interview or Amanda asks, I hear a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people talking about how tropes make stories repetitive or cliche.
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  Speaker 2: Some people even go so far as to say that
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  Speaker 2: the tropes take creativity out of storytelling. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: this is true? Can you speak on these thoughts? So
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  Speaker 2: this is Weatherspoon's answer. They say, I think it's important
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  Speaker 2: to first lay down the only objective rule of storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: There are no objective rules. Some will find tropes and abominations,
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  Speaker 2: others will relish in them. I'm the latter. An argument
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  Speaker 2: I do find funny is when people think quote good
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  Speaker 2: stories don't have tropes, or that using them is a crutch.
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  Speaker 2: Genres are inherently defined by their conventions, ones that are
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  Speaker 2: used time and time again until they can be easily
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  Speaker 2: identified as tropes by readers. Just because it's been done before,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't make it boring. I think some readers find
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  Speaker 2: tropes to mean a story is unoriginal, which is just impossible.
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  Speaker 2: The same trope written by a thousand different people are
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  Speaker 2: going to be portrayed in different ways, especially bipoc authors
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  Speaker 2: who are only recently getting to use their tropes in
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  Speaker 2: mainstream publishing. I go as far as saying that tropes
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  Speaker 2: inspire creativity. Take a look at archive of our own
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  Speaker 2: AO three. There has to be a million fan fictions
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  Speaker 2: that use the there's only one bed trope, but no
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  Speaker 2: to utilize it the same way. Speaking from my own experience,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to find a way to use my favorite
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  Speaker 2: trope of fake dating and brainstorming all the ways that
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  Speaker 2: characters could find themselves in that situation inspired a whole
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  Speaker 2: eighty thousand word novel. So they talk about they're talking
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  Speaker 2: about their own book at this point and just talking
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  Speaker 2: about that, and I believe she is a Korean author
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  Speaker 2: and she was talking about those and yeah, absolutely, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's interesting in this conversation, Annie, you have thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, of course you mentioned fan fiction here. I am.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I agree because I think there's also the knowing of
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  Speaker 3: the tropes can lead to a lot of creativity too. So,
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  Speaker 3: like we've talked before about the Final Girl or or
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  Speaker 3: things in horror where people look at it differently, where
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  Speaker 3: it's the trope, but it's maybe in a different way.
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  Speaker 3: In fan fiction, I would say, like, like if you
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  Speaker 3: see the tag there was only one bed. It's fun.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of fun to anticipate how that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: There's something about the expectation, like you know, at some
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  Speaker 3: point they're both going to share your bed against their
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  Speaker 3: like wishes, like consensually.
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  Speaker 1: But they're like, oh no, there's only one bed. We
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  Speaker 1: have to go with, get in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting, like how many different ways that
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  Speaker 3: can happen. And sometimes like it happens and it's like
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  Speaker 3: super sweet and it's like oh my god, they're cold
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. And sometimes it happens where it's like really
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  Speaker 3: still antagonistic, I hate that I have to share this
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  Speaker 3: bed with you. So it can like play out in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of ways. But honestly, kind
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  Speaker 3: of knowing the trope sometimes is half the fun of it. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: how are we going to get to this point from
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  Speaker 3: where we're starting.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're trying to see how their creativity is going
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  Speaker 2: to come out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, especially if you start and you're like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how they're gonna end up in this bad.
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  Speaker 2: Right, It's just fun and sometimes that predictability is reassuring.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've been hesitant in starting new shows. We've talked
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  Speaker 2: about this before for me specifically, because I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how traumatic it is going to be, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I need a warning. I have gotten to the point
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  Speaker 2: that I will watch TikTok videos about it and know
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  Speaker 2: where I can skip it. Like I've gotten to that
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  Speaker 2: point because I will say, for k dramas, they have
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  Speaker 2: unnecessary amount of violence that doesn't need to be in there,
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: but for some reason, they love having a point of
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  Speaker 2: like one of them is going to get kidnapped, one
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  Speaker 2: of them get murdered. Like always, it's usually always women
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  Speaker 2: who are the ones who get hurt, is going to
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  Speaker 2: or some things. Anyway, all that to say is I
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  Speaker 2: think it's also nice to know as well, or because
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  Speaker 2: you also like that trope. It's okay to like a cliche.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to being like this is cool, this is
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  Speaker 2: this gives me a little bit of comfort, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought about this as well when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to like great cliche makes great content, plot, or even
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  Speaker 2: a gift. So I found one article talking about the
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  Speaker 2: love of cliche gifts written by Kayla Kibbs titled take
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  Speaker 2: it from a Woman, There's nothing wrong with cliche gifts.
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  Speaker 2: I think we should take notes for anyone who are
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  Speaker 2: trying to do the best with gifts, because you never
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  Speaker 2: know the most simple answer, maybe the best answer. I
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  Speaker 2: love receiving flowers. I didn't think I did because I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was useless. But now I'm like, I kind
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  Speaker 2: of want it. I kind of want those flowers for
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  Speaker 2: my flowers. But she did share some of those thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: including the fact that many other cliche gifts are gifts
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't buy yourself. This is the thing, she writes.
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  Speaker 2: Part of the reason cliche gifts are cliche is because
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  Speaker 2: there are many things most people won't buy for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Fancy chocolates, flowers, nice jewelry, and perfume are things we
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  Speaker 2: tend to think of as gifts, meaning many women would
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  Speaker 2: prefer to receive them as such, regardless of whether or
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  Speaker 2: not they could afford them on their own. If you
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  Speaker 2: avoid these gifts in favor of something more unique or
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  Speaker 2: god forbid, practical, I think this is where we need
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  Speaker 2: to This is that big conversation we've had before about
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  Speaker 2: gift giving. Then that might mean the lady in your
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  Speaker 2: life just never gets the things she actually wants. Just
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  Speaker 2: in case any girl bosses are listening, yes, women should
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  Speaker 2: feel empowered to buy whatever they want for themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: some allegedly might even prefer to do so. That's being
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  Speaker 2: very passive aggressive anyway, missus Dollaway can go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: buy the flowers herself, but the rest of us would
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  Speaker 2: probably prefer to have them, say to us, and not
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  Speaker 2: just because we don't feel like spending our own money,
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  Speaker 2: certain things like flowers and sometimes jewelry or perfume just
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  Speaker 2: feels more meaningful as a romantic gesture. Nice things are
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  Speaker 2: always nice, and sure, anyone who wants to can and
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  Speaker 2: should splurge on their own fancy chocolate, old or jewelry. Still,
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  Speaker 2: nice things are often even nicer when they're surprised from
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  Speaker 2: a loved one. And okay, yes, obviously it's always better
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: when someone else pays for them. I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the big things in that conversation is for me, when
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  Speaker 2: someone is thoughtful, it really brings out a lot and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those things are yes, these are something
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  Speaker 2: thing things I want, but I don't think I need,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm not going to buy them for them for myself.
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  Speaker 2: I think as old as you get older, you have
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  Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more freedom in your account
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  Speaker 2: and all that, and you start buying a little more
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  Speaker 2: things for yourself, like you're like, if I need it,
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  Speaker 2: I'll get it. Type of conversation that happened. But there's
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  Speaker 2: something to be said when someone knows you so well
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  Speaker 2: that they see something they're like, yes, this is what
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  Speaker 2: they should get or they would want, and they would
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  Speaker 2: never buy for themselves. And I will say my partner's
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  Speaker 2: family have done a great job in that, like some
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  Speaker 2: of the most thoughtful gifts that I've received have been
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  Speaker 2: from them, Like, yeah, they listened to this podcast, I think, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're sneaky. They're sneaky listening and got
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  Speaker 2: some clues because of my yea. My partner's brother bought
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  Speaker 2: me at Anna green Gables them things including I think
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I talked about this a little bit, the fact that
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: he commissioned his artist friend to do a beautiful like
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: art based on the book and it's with the perfect
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  Speaker 2: frame that like matches everything. And he did this for
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  Speaker 2: myself and for his sister as well, and it was
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  Speaker 2: so thoughtful that I was like, oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: have not hung it up yet because nothing's hung up
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: in this house. But it was so like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: he really paid attention when we were talking about the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: fact that are really loved and of Green Gables growing up.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: His sister bought me a whole k Drama kit gift
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  Speaker 2: set last year because she knew I was really into
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Kate dramas, that I am really into Kate dramas, really
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  Speaker 2: cute things. Gave me some like Korean candies. I was like,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: look at what SO really like. And his mom is
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: so good at buying, like like these purple glasses that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I love their tumblers because she knows la that color
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and then it matches kind of my personality. They do
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  Speaker 2: a great job. And his dad hilariously knows that I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: love crabs, so gave me a whole gift set of
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: utensils so I would be prepared to crack the King
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  Speaker 2: crab legs that you have bought me before me. Yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: it was giant. I don't think we had those tools
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  Speaker 2: at that point, but man, I'm prepared now because he needs. Yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it was so huge, like two of them fed the
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: three of us and we were so full. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: but like you know, and some of these things are
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: could be considered cliche. Some of these things wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: and like it's just even if it is having flowers
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  Speaker 2: brought to me is so thoughtful, Like I'd like to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: dry out the flowers and keep them forever and never
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and never never. And I feel that same way. Like
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: my partner, who is male, I get him. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get him flowers. I got him wooden flowers from a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: place because I thought they were really pretty. And I
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: was like, he never gets flowers, how can we get some?
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  Speaker 2: Some stuff like that is genuinely just beingful.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, in.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Those moments, I'm like, yeah, being cliche is not bad.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Let's let's give it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just enjoy things, including going to New York and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: seeing Rockefeller Center. I'm gonna do this. We're gonna have fun,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and it will have fun and we will have Christmas.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're totally right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I think the key is like if someone doesn't like
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: chocolate but chocolates the easy gift, don't get them chocolate.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: It has to be a thoughtful quition, yes, but other yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: otherwise it's recent. People like the certain things very comforting
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: often and it can be really hard to think of.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Like every year, I just made my wish list for
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: my mom, and I was like, I don't know, it
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: could be hard to think of like new things that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: you want every year.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Cliche gift card, give me that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I send my like I find is Star Wars thing
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: If I I send my niece is a nephew just
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: money because I'm like, I remember, I remember being young,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and all I wish was you can just give me
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: some money. Is while I can choose myself, whether it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: just to go out to eat or get groceries that week,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: please give me money. So I would just now that
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: we have all those cash outs, wonderful, but like I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: send them just directly money. I'll wait here. I'm not
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: going to choose for you because I know you might
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: need it for gas and that's okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a nice It's a balance between
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the like asking what people want, but the also like
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: nice surprise, right yeah I like that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:16
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• 21:20
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