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The Kenny Report | 17 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report. With the
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Speaker 2: nation on election watch. The polls are gloomy for labor
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Speaker 2: and the Reserve Bank will make a big call on
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Speaker 2: interest rates Tomorrow. I'll check in with economic and electoral experts.
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Speaker 2: The rising tide of antisemitism continues in Australia as Europe
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Speaker 2: grapples with rampant Islamist terrorism and the US Vice President
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Speaker 2: gives them a.
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Speaker 1: Wake up call.
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Speaker 2: More chaos on green energy and green hydrogen, as labor
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Speaker 2: throws plenty of your money at policy failures. Sarah Henderson
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Speaker 2: joins me, Gemytine Uni and Caroline Russo too. We'll talk
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Speaker 2: about our school kids somehow having to work indigenous culture
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Speaker 2: into their maths. Look, as I said, we're on election
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Speaker 2: watch now. Of course it's likely to be called in
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Speaker 2: the next few weeks and the profile pieces in the
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Speaker 2: media are all part of the preparation for Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: This is a family who wants to win.
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Speaker 4: Are you both ready in the Australia's first couple?
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, bring it on.
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Speaker 2: As you know, since way back into last year, I've
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Speaker 2: been tipping April to twelfth. Now that's passover. It's also
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Speaker 2: the middle of gather round, by the way, so perhaps
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Speaker 2: the week earlier might be better. But the reason I
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Speaker 2: figure early April is because that's as late as Albo
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Speaker 2: can go without delivering a budget. And I've never thought
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Speaker 2: he'd want to deliver another budget, which would outline the
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Speaker 2: deficit horror story over the next decade. Anyway, with the
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Speaker 2: election looming, polls become more real. The latest News poll
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Speaker 2: is a no change Pole two party preferred has Labor
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Speaker 2: behind forty nine to fifty one, no change from the
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Speaker 2: previous poll.
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Speaker 1: I expect the polls will actually.
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Speaker 2: Harden against Labor immediately the election is called, but we
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Speaker 2: shall see.
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Speaker 1: But there was one telling extra question.
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Speaker 2: In News poll, and that was whether Labor and Albanese
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Speaker 2: deserve to be re elected, and fifty three percent of
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Speaker 2: people said no. Even twelve percent of Labor voters reckon
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Speaker 2: their Mob doesn't deserve another term. I'll have some telling
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Speaker 2: analysis on the polls and the electoral tied later with
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Speaker 2: former Labour senator John Black. But mark my word, while
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Speaker 2: a hung parliament is definitely in play, this scene is
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Speaker 2: set for a significant swing to the coalition, one that
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton could ride all the way into government if
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Speaker 2: he keeps playing it as well as he has been.
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Speaker 2: How much worse can Australia's self made energy crisis get? Well,
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Speaker 2: I fear that we'll soon find out, because with the
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Speaker 2: best will in the world, and even if we introduce
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Speaker 2: the best policies tomorrow, it'd take many months, probably years,
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Speaker 2: to even start to turn things around. On the weekend,
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Speaker 2: we learned of another one point five billion dollar blowout
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Speaker 2: in a transmission project linking New South Wales and South Australia.
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Speaker 2: Just another one and a half billion dollars to be
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Speaker 2: picked up by consumers plus interest in a profit margin.
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Speaker 2: Of course, this project is nine hundred kilometers long, and
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Speaker 2: don't forget that under Labour's world first renewables plus storage
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Speaker 2: experiment they need to build at least ten thousand kilometers
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Speaker 2: more of transmission lines.
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Speaker 1: Lord knows what all this will cost us.
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Speaker 2: And as you know, even after all this is built,
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Speaker 2: the experts can't even guarantee that it'll work when we
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Speaker 2: need it to. Now, speaking of South Australia, they've just
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Speaker 2: seen a pretty good example of government intervention.
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Speaker 1: Crowdeds. Well, it just gets from.
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Speaker 5: Party region beauty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the government sponsored liv golf is a big hit,
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Speaker 2: and Labour Premier there Peter malanowskis is reveling in the
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Speaker 2: glory now that it's locked in for Adelaide till twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty one. But his government's six hundred million dollar punt
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Speaker 2: on green hydrogen is looking absolutely subpar.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it looks.
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Speaker 2: Like they've shanked it, with the entire project in doubt,
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Speaker 2: as I projicted, as I predicted last week. Typically, though,
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Speaker 2: when it comes to labor and green energy, even without
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Speaker 2: any hydrogen being produced or any electricity being generated, there's
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Speaker 2: plenty of taxpayers dollars being spent.
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Speaker 1: Here is Channel seven Adelaide.
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Speaker 6: The Office of Hydrogen might be producing any green power,
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Speaker 6: but already boasts a lot of people power fifty five
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Speaker 6: st and a CEO pocketing six hundred thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 6: That's almost two hundred thousand more than the premiere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just another episode in the slow motion
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Speaker 2: train wreck that is our clean energy and net zero obsession.
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Speaker 2: Despite plunging sales for electric vehicles, for instance, Federal Climate
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Speaker 2: and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is still pumping their tires
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Speaker 2: and pumping taxpayers money into them. Remember this bill Shorten
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Speaker 2: wants to end the weekend when it comes to his
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Speaker 2: policy electric vehicles.
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Speaker 7: There's three hundred thousand evs on the road. Now I
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Speaker 7: can report the weekend still exists. In fact, we're protecting
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Speaker 7: the weekend because we have introduced a right to disconnect.
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Speaker 7: You shouldn't work on the weekend unless you're paid on
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Speaker 7: the weekend. We brought it in. Peter Dutton wants to
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Speaker 7: take it away.
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Speaker 2: Does he really think this stuff helps? Bowen's labor mates
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Speaker 2: still still haven't manage to ban him from social media.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this one.
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Speaker 2: He's right, nothing compares to Chris Bohn and our sky
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Speaker 2: high electricity bills do not compare favorably to the two
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars price cut that labor promised.
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Speaker 1: I guess if there's anyone.
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Speaker 2: Who thinks that they're not paying enough for their electricity,
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Speaker 2: then they could elect to pay even more by voting
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Speaker 2: for Labor, the Greens or the tills. There's no word
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Speaker 2: yet on whether charges have been laid against the two
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Speaker 2: Sydney nurses at Bankstown Hospital who threatened to kill Israeli
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Speaker 2: patients in that video last week, Ahmad Rushad Nadir and
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Speaker 2: Sarah Abu Lebda have been sacked and they've lost their
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Speaker 2: nursing registrations.
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Speaker 5: Let's say an Israeli, God beat.
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Speaker 8: Them, I won't treat them.
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Speaker 9: I'll kill them.
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Speaker 5: You'll kill them.
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Speaker 3: So if an Israeli is in Australia and God forbid
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Speaker 3: something happened to him and he comes to your hospital,
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Speaker 3: would you kill him?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 10: You have no idea how many Israeli A dog came
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Speaker 10: to this hospital.
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Speaker 2: And the full video is now out there on social media,
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Speaker 2: so police have access to it, but no word on charges.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned last week that we hadn't heard enough from
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Speaker 2: our Muslim community leaders on this stuff, but they've been
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Speaker 2: noisy today. The trouble is, rather than telling us how
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Speaker 2: they can eradicate thinking like this, they've been hitting back
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Speaker 2: at the focus on this shocking case. Former Labor senator
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Speaker 2: now independent Fatima Payment condemned what the nurses said, but
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Speaker 2: lashed out at their critics.
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Speaker 11: They've apologized they have been punished. What is the end
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Speaker 11: goal here? What exactly are we trying to achieve justice
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Speaker 11: or just public humiliation? We never see the same level
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Speaker 11: of anger and vitriol when the roles are reversed.
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Speaker 2: So these nurses are the victims now. And in a
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Speaker 2: stunning intervention, a host of mainstream Muslim community groups and
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Speaker 2: religious leaders, including the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, has
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Speaker 2: teamed up with the extremist group his book to Rear
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Speaker 2: to express a similar position. In a United Muslim Community statement,
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Speaker 2: they say the reaction to the video is more revealing
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Speaker 2: than the video itself. It reads, in part, this incident
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Speaker 2: has since sparked outrage, largely amplified by a coordinated media
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Speaker 2: campaign and inflammatory commentary across shock jock platforms, and it
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Speaker 2: mentions that the influencer who recorded the video recently served
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Speaker 2: in the Israeli military and was thus involved in the
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Speaker 2: genocide in Gaza. It goes on to say that labeling
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Speaker 2: the video as anti Semitic follows a well documented pattern
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Speaker 2: of gas lighting by Zionist lobby groups and their friends
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Speaker 2: within government and media.
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Speaker 1: This is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Stuff, denial and obfuscation, blaming the media, blaming the government,
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Speaker 2: blaming everyone except the people fomenting this hatred. And again
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Speaker 2: we see this desperation to claim victimhood status. This is
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Speaker 2: something we continually see from some elements of the Muslim community.
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Speaker 1: Jewish groups and Israelis.
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Speaker 2: Are targeted, yet somehow it's the Muslim who are the victims.
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Speaker 1: This is deeply worrying.
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Speaker 2: It comes as once again Melbourne has been hit by
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Speaker 2: an antisemitic attack.
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Speaker 1: A Melbourne business founded.
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Speaker 2: By Holocaust survivors and since closed down, has been sprayed
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Speaker 2: with hateful graffiti, including gas.
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Speaker 1: The Jews just terrible.
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Speaker 2: And let me give you an update on the shockingly
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Speaker 2: ill informed and hateful diatribes against Israel that we showed
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Speaker 2: you last week from a group calling themselves Nurses and
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Speaker 2: Midwives for Palestine and claiming to consist of about eighty members,
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Speaker 2: mainly as members of the union. Their union the Nurses
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Speaker 2: and Midwives Association of New South Wales.
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Speaker 12: To highlight the ongoing genocide, meticide, atrocities and war crimes
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Speaker 12: like the premeditator deliberate.
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Speaker 5: Targeted destruction of.
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Speaker 13: Hospitals and healthcare facilities in Gaza, the abduction, false imprisonment,
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Speaker 13: at torture of thousands of healthcare workers, patients and internally
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Speaker 13: displaced persons.
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Speaker 12: All of this is being carried out by the Israeli military.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's just.
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Speaker 12: Call them out for what they really are, terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Just unhinged staff. And the Union has not responded to
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Speaker 2: our repeated efforts to find out whether or not they
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Speaker 2: endorse this group, although we believe some union organizers are involved.
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Speaker 1: Still, without a response.
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Speaker 2: From the union, we can't confirm that, nor can we
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Speaker 2: tell you how many, if any, of these nurses work
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Speaker 2: at the Bankstown Hospital.
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Speaker 1: We'll keep asking.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to uncontrolled immigration, anti Semitism and Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 2: Europe's experience should continue to provide a salient warning to us,
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Speaker 2: especially about what not to do. I mean, look at
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Speaker 2: the way the latest terrorist attack has been framed. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: people were told a car drove into a crowd, some
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Speaker 2: nasty kind of car. Hey, And yes, a mother and
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Speaker 2: a child tragically were killed in what the media called
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Speaker 2: a car attack. This was not a car attack. The
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Speaker 2: car didn't drive into a crowd. The car was driven
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Speaker 2: by an Islamist terrorist.
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Speaker 1: It was a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 2: The very same article from the BBC tells us the
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Speaker 2: driver was a twenty four year old Afghan asylum seeker,
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Speaker 2: and the police said he appeared to have a religious motivation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they.
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Speaker 2: Should telp people about the wave of Islamist extremist terrorism
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Speaker 2: in Europe and stopped trying.
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Speaker 1: To blame cars or knives or whatever else.
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Speaker 2: As this piece details, six people were killed and hundreds
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Speaker 2: injured in an attack at a German Christmas market late
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Speaker 2: last year. This time it was a Saudi asylum seeker,
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Speaker 2: apparently a critic of Islam. In Bavaria last month, a
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Speaker 2: two year old child and an adult were killed when
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Speaker 2: an Afghan asylum seeker stabbed children in a park, and
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Speaker 2: a fourteen year old boy was killed in Austria on
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Speaker 2: the weekend when a Syrian asylum seeker attacked people at random.
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Speaker 3: A candlelight vigil pays tribute to the victims of a
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Speaker 3: stabbing attack in Austria. One a fourteen year old boy
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Speaker 3: was killed on the scene when a man randomly began
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Speaker 3: attacking passers by with a knife.
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Speaker 2: Police declared this too and Islamist terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: The problem here is acute.
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Speaker 2: The causes are complex, but the link to uncontrolled immigration
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Speaker 2: is clear, and US Vice President JD. Vance in Munich
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Speaker 2: last week for its annual Security conference wasn't shy in
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Speaker 2: pointing out the problem.
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Speaker 14: We saw the horrors wrought by these decisions yesterday in
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Speaker 14: this very city, and of course I can't bring it
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Speaker 14: up again without thinking about the terrible victims who had
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Speaker 14: a beautiful winter day in Munich ruined. Our thoughts and
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Speaker 14: prayers are with them and will remain with them.
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Speaker 2: Now Vance places immigration reform as the top priority for Europe,
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Speaker 2: and of.
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Speaker 14: All the pressings challenges that the nations represented her face,
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Speaker 14: I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration. Today,
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Speaker 14: almost one in five people living in this country moved
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Speaker 14: here from abroad. That is, of course, an all time high.
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Speaker 14: Is a similar number, by the way, in the United States,
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Speaker 14: also an all time high.
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Speaker 5: The number of immigrants who entered the EU from.
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Speaker 14: Non EU countries doubled between twenty twenty one and twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty two alone, and of course it's gotten much higher since.
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Speaker 2: He's right, of course, and it under schools why we
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Speaker 2: can't be complacened here as the Albanese government struggles with
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Speaker 2: border protection, had high rights of immigration and criminal non
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Speaker 2: citizens freed from detention, The Vice President said, the expectations
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Speaker 2: of voters around the world are clear.
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Speaker 14: No voter on this continent went to the ballot box
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Speaker 14: to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants.
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Speaker 5: But you know what they did vote for.
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Speaker 14: In England they voted for Brexit, and agree or disagree,
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Speaker 14: they voted for it, and more and more all over
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Speaker 14: Europe they're voting for political leaders who promise to put
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Speaker 14: an end to out of control migration.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in this country where we're grappling with unprecedented
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Speaker 2: levels of anti Semitism and social division, we need to
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Speaker 2: openly discuss how immigration and lax checks on character and
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Speaker 2: security can feed into all of this. We can't just
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Speaker 2: wish these difficult issues away. We need leadership to deal
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Speaker 2: with them, and we're not getting it. Let's go to
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Speaker 2: Zoe Mackenzie, the federal Liberal member for the seat of Flinders,
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Speaker 2: just outside Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Zoey, just on this issue where we are on election
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Speaker 2: watch of course, just how prominently do you think that
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Speaker 2: immigration and these related issues of security and social cohesion
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Speaker 2: will figure in the election campaign?
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Speaker 8: Look, I think it is quite front of mine, but
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Speaker 8: largely because people know that this government has brought one
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Speaker 8: point eight million people into a straight out without doing
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Speaker 8: the necessary work in terms of infrastructure. My electorate has
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Speaker 8: lost three hundred million dollars of earlier budgeted infrastructure spending
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Speaker 8: in road and rail. And how you can bring people
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Speaker 8: into the country without making sure they can get around,
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Speaker 8: go to school, go to a hospital, get a job,
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Speaker 8: bring in the skills we need. That's the problem. It's
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Speaker 8: unplanned migration, unconstrained migration, not thought through migration. Generally speaking,
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Speaker 8: you would have seen this, Chris. Citizenship ceremonies are the
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Speaker 8: best thing we get to do as members of Parliament,
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Speaker 8: welcoming to people Australia. Their pride, their excitement, their enthusiasm
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Speaker 8: for this country is raw and magnificent. I'm all for it,
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Speaker 8: but you've got to do the hard work in terms
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Speaker 8: of the planning. And we see at the moment we've
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Speaker 8: got a housing crisis in this country precisely because housing
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Speaker 8: builds approvals they're going backwards. They were fifteen hundred in
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Speaker 8: my electorate in twenty seventeen and they're about two hundred
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Speaker 8: and eighty this year so far, and we're not too
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Speaker 8: far from the end of the financial year. So the
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Speaker 8: planning hasn't been done and the infrastructure has been taken
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Speaker 8: away rather than increased.
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Speaker 1: What about the mix of migration.
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Speaker 2: Though, when we're looking at that Islamist terrorism on the
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Speaker 2: rise in Europe, when we're looking at the ramp and
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Speaker 2: anti semitism in Australia and those attitudes we saw in
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Speaker 2: that video next week, don't we need to be more
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Speaker 2: vigilant about who we're bringing in here in case they
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Speaker 2: are expanding, perpetuating or fomenting Islamist extremism, among other forms
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Speaker 2: of extremism.
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Speaker 8: Obviously, we raised concerns at the time that about two
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Speaker 8: and a half thousand visas were issued to people coming
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Speaker 8: from the Palestinian territories, many of them on tourist visas.
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Speaker 8: We were looking at comparisons in the US, UK, Canada
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Speaker 8: and France who were taking nothing like the numbers we
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Speaker 8: were taking. Our fear at that time, well expressed and
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Speaker 8: explained to the Australian public, was that the necessary checks
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Speaker 8: were not being done. When we've been in a similar
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Speaker 8: kind of environment in previous administrations, people wanting to come
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Speaker 8: to Australia had either been interviewed or taken to a
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Speaker 8: third country while all the proper checks were being done.
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Speaker 8: That did not happen here. But nevertheless, the main issue
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Speaker 8: is you can't just bring one point eight million people
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Speaker 8: to Australia in two or three years and not expect
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Speaker 8: flow on effects, whether that's housing, schooling, health or just
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Speaker 8: cost of living pressures, because of course it's driving inflation up.
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Speaker 2: Now, talking about the election, if the polling that we
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Speaker 2: have now was reflected at election time, most likely to
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Speaker 2: get a hung parliament.
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Speaker 1: Very tough for the coalition to win.
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Speaker 2: Those cross bench members over most of them are left
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Speaker 2: of center. Could the coalition actually work with any of
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Speaker 2: the tills.
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Speaker 8: Look, as we know, the TiAl voting record is roughly
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Speaker 8: seventy five percent with the Greens. In fact, more with
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Speaker 8: the Greens than even they are with Labor. So I'm
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Speaker 8: not holding out enormous hope. There are some there though
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Speaker 8: that I think are really constructs. You quite economically minded,
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Speaker 8: get along with them really well, and so I hope
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Speaker 8: I will have the chance to do that in a
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Speaker 8: future parliament as well. But it's not something you can
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Speaker 8: count on. But may I say a hung parliament is
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Speaker 8: in no one's interest. We have been there before and
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Speaker 8: it was abject chaos for years. You end up with
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Speaker 8: the tail wagging the dog, and the tail in this situation,
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Speaker 8: should Labor try and form government in a hung parliament
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Speaker 8: will be the Green's party wagging the labor dog. And
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Speaker 8: we're already seen vast impacts on our business community through
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Speaker 8: green red tape in particular, and additional cost on business,
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Speaker 8: all of which is being passed on to the consumer.
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Speaker 8: A hung parliament is in no one's interest. We've never
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Speaker 8: had a good run in this country. Let's not try now.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe Mackenzie there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the tills are just another shade green, of course,
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Speaker 2: shocking color till it's the color of Port Adelaide.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it? What more do you want to know?
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to economics and the big decision that
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Speaker 2: we're waiting on tomorrow from the Reserve Bank as to
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Speaker 2: whether or not this could be the first lowering of
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Speaker 2: interest rates in this country for such a long time.
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Speaker 2: I joined on the desk by Warren Hogan. He's with
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Speaker 2: the Judo Bank, Chief Economic Advisor. Good to talk to
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Speaker 2: you again, Warren. Could Michell Bullock actually cut interest rates
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Speaker 2: if she would do that tomorrow, as the market seemed
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Speaker 2: to have factored in already, wouldn't she be going back
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Speaker 2: on everything she said publicly over the past year.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Hi, Chris, it would seem that way. I mean,
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Speaker 15: she has certainly held the line. I think one thing
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Speaker 15: many Australians forget is that they have not raised rates
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Speaker 15: as much as other central banks, or as much as
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Speaker 15: what the Reserve Bank would do. So they've already sort
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Speaker 15: of given some clemency to the broader community. But part
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Speaker 15: of that strategy is you don't cut early, you don't
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Speaker 15: prematurely declare victory in the fight on inflame. So I
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Speaker 15: just can't see how that she can get to that
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Speaker 15: point or the board can get to that point of
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Speaker 15: cutting tomorrow. And I certainly can't see anything in our
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Speaker 15: economy that would warrant multiple rate cuts in the course
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Speaker 15: of the next few months.
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Speaker 2: This just have a look at what the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: governor had to say in December last year.
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Speaker 9: The Board needs to be confident that inflation is moving
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Speaker 9: sustainably towards the target and for this to occur, we
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Speaker 9: need to see more progress on underlying inflation coming down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was in December last year. We've seen
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Speaker 2: no change since then. Let's go back a bit further
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Speaker 2: and see how the Reserve Bank governor really focused on
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Speaker 2: underlying inflation.
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Speaker 5: So what we.
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Speaker 9: Really need to see is the underlying pulse of inflation,
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Speaker 9: and we sort of look about that as the trim
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Speaker 9: mean to start to come down further, because the longer
22:51
Speaker 9: inflation remains elevated, the more it hurts everyone, all Australians,
22:56
Speaker 9: all right.
22:56
Speaker 2: So that's the sort of stuff she's been saying, Warren,
22:58
Speaker 2: you know this stuff backwards. The trim mean is still
23:01
Speaker 2: above the band. It's above three percent. Yah, she's been
23:04
Speaker 2: saying all along. They wouldn't really cut rates until she
23:06
Speaker 2: got that well within the band. So this is what
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Speaker 2: I say about her having to go back on her
23:11
Speaker 2: word if she were to cut tomorrow.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think if they're confident it'll get into
23:15
Speaker 15: the band imminently within the next six months or so
23:18
Speaker 15: and most importantly stay there, then they will go ahead
23:21
Speaker 15: of that. But they can't be confident of that right now.
23:23
Speaker 15: And of course what's triggered the markets to fully price
23:27
Speaker 15: in a rate cut tomorrow, which is quite unusual, is
23:29
Speaker 15: that the trim mean for Q four that we got
23:31
Speaker 15: a few weeks ago came in at three point two
23:34
Speaker 15: and the RBA's expectation was three point four it's a
23:37
Speaker 15: very small miss, but of course that number is getting
23:40
Speaker 15: affected by these subsidies. It is being suppressed by the subsidies,
23:43
Speaker 15: and if you take that effect out, it's at least
23:45
Speaker 15: point one, if not point two. So the miss on
23:48
Speaker 15: their expectation and what's driving a lot of people to
23:50
Speaker 15: think they're going to cut rates is minor, and it's
23:53
Speaker 15: got to be put against the backdrop of what's happening
23:55
Speaker 15: in the economy. And over the last six weeks, through
23:57
Speaker 15: the course of our summer, since we last heard from
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Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank in December, we've had strong employment. The
24:03
Speaker 15: most important thing I think is strong retail sales YEP.
24:06
Speaker 15: And of course we've seen what's happened in the United
24:10
Speaker 15: States where six months ago there were cutting rates fear
24:12
Speaker 15: of recession, thought they're going to take the rate from
24:14
Speaker 15: five and a half all the way to three, and
24:17
Speaker 15: then suddenly the economy has come back, employments come through,
24:20
Speaker 15: but more importantly, inflation has started to pick up again,
24:23
Speaker 15: and that would be the worst outcome for the RBA
24:26
Speaker 15: is to cut tomorrow and then for inflation to start
24:29
Speaker 15: rising later in the year, particularly if there's a change
24:32
Speaker 15: of government. They won't look too favorably upon an RBA
24:36
Speaker 15: board that had cut before an election and then have
24:38
Speaker 15: to hike as soon as they're in power.
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Speaker 1: That'd be disastrous.
24:40
Speaker 2: Now, after the previous Reserve Bank governor got into all
24:43
Speaker 2: sorts of strife, there's been a lot of focus on
24:45
Speaker 2: the communications from the bank to the public and the markets.
24:49
Speaker 2: If they don't cut tomorrow, when the markets have factored
24:52
Speaker 2: in the cut already, as you say, does that show
24:55
Speaker 2: that somehow the Reserve Bank has not been able to
24:58
Speaker 2: communicate properly.
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Speaker 15: It's outlook, it's the biggest break we've had between RBA
25:04
Speaker 15: meetings ever. It's almost ten weeks because of this new scheduling,
25:08
Speaker 15: and there hasn't been many opportunity or any opportunities for
25:11
Speaker 15: senior RBA stuff like the governor to speak because it's summer,
25:14
Speaker 15: no one wants to hear from them. So I think
25:18
Speaker 15: the problem for the market is the market's perceiving and
25:21
Speaker 15: many economists that there is a political inference here, that
25:24
Speaker 15: the pressure's on. And because they just adjusted their tone
25:29
Speaker 15: at the December meeting away from worrying about inflation to
25:32
Speaker 15: being neutral, not talking about rape cuts, not talking about easing,
25:35
Speaker 15: but just neutral. It was a shift in that direction.
25:39
Speaker 15: The market has completely ignored all the activity data, the employment,
25:42
Speaker 15: the retail sales, and just focused on that one inflation number. So, look,
25:47
Speaker 15: could they do more maybe, But look, I think the
25:50
Speaker 15: problem is that the market cannot cope with any perceived
25:54
Speaker 15: political intervention. And when I say that, I'm not saying
25:56
Speaker 15: that the government seeing there telling the RBO what to do,
25:58
Speaker 15: but we know there's a lot of people in there
26:01
Speaker 15: telling them what to do who are into the.
26:02
Speaker 2: Because we all wanted Everyone with the mortgage wants the cut,
26:05
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Warren.
26:07
Speaker 2: We'll see tomorrow, Warren Hogan there on the outlook as
26:10
Speaker 2: to why the Reserve Bank shouldn't cut tomorrow when the
26:13
Speaker 2: market is actually factored in a cut.
26:15
Speaker 1: Now we've got to take a break.
26:16
Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll talk about how fifty three
26:19
Speaker 2: percent of voters say Albow and Labor don't deserve to
26:21
Speaker 2: be re elected. I'll catch up with former Labour Senator
26:25
Speaker 2: John Black, an electoral expert. Now, as I mentioned earlier,
26:32
Speaker 2: there's no change to the latest News poll two party
26:34
Speaker 2: preferred as Labor behind forty nine fifty one, But there
26:38
Speaker 2: was a telling question about whether Labor and Albanezi deserve
26:42
Speaker 2: to be re elected, and fifty three percent said no.
26:45
Speaker 2: Even twelve percent of Labor voters said that Labor didn't
26:48
Speaker 2: deserve another term. Let me bring in former Labour Senator
26:51
Speaker 2: John Black, election analyst who joins us live from Brisbane.
26:55
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, John.
26:57
Speaker 2: I'm very very keen on your just broader set of polls.
27:00
Speaker 2: I often ignore them sort of halfway through a cycle
27:03
Speaker 2: because I think people just use them to send a
27:05
Speaker 2: message to government if you like. It's not a hard.
27:08
Speaker 1: Sort of electoral choice.
27:10
Speaker 2: But when we're getting this close to the actual election,
27:14
Speaker 2: certainly once it's called, polls can be very very indicative, right.
27:19
Speaker 1: That's right.
27:19
Speaker 16: They start to get a bit more serious. People are
27:22
Speaker 16: starting to make their decisions down so it's.
27:24
Speaker 1: Harder to get through to them.
27:26
Speaker 16: But when they make a decision now, they're reluctant to
27:28
Speaker 16: change it simply because they pay a lot less attention
27:31
Speaker 16: than we to Chris to what politicians say.
27:35
Speaker 17: They make their mind up and they tend to stick.
27:37
Speaker 16: Towards the end.
27:38
Speaker 2: And when you talk about a two percent difference on
27:40
Speaker 2: two party preferred, it's within the margin of area. But
27:43
Speaker 2: let's say it's accurate, say there's a clear two percent difference.
27:47
Speaker 2: Is that enough to change government in the current circumstances
27:51
Speaker 2: if those swings are big enough in the seats where
27:53
Speaker 2: they're needed, and the Labor Party vote holds up in
27:56
Speaker 2: other areas saying the inner cities, Yeah.
27:58
Speaker 16: Look absolutely.
28:00
Speaker 17: And what we're seeing is, I think the Labor Buddy
28:01
Speaker 17: last time twenty twenty two polled around about fifty two
28:04
Speaker 17: and a half percent after preferences, and they're now polling
28:07
Speaker 17: around about forty eight and a half forty nine and
28:09
Speaker 17: a half after preferences. In the surveys, they're all basically
28:13
Speaker 17: singing from the same song sheet.
28:15
Speaker 16: So that's a swing of are.
28:16
Speaker 17: Out about three and a half to four and a half.
28:18
Speaker 16: To five percent. Now what that means, Chris, is you're
28:21
Speaker 16: going to see a range of swings of probably three
28:23
Speaker 16: times that amount, a range of about fifteen percent. All
28:27
Speaker 16: the evidence indicates that the swings are going to be
28:30
Speaker 16: biggest against Labor in the outer urban marginal seats that
28:33
Speaker 16: they need to hold a whole government. And the flip
28:36
Speaker 16: side of that is that there may be minor swings
28:40
Speaker 16: towards the Labor Party or against the Coalvition in some
28:43
Speaker 16: of their traditionally safer seats as well. So that's something
28:46
Speaker 16: for the Coalition to watch out for.
28:47
Speaker 2: Right, do you think some of the Till seats could
28:50
Speaker 2: go back to the Coalition?
28:52
Speaker 16: Look what I've been watching the Liberal vote, the Coalition vote,
28:57
Speaker 16: and the primary vote has been steadily increasing. I think
29:00
Speaker 16: Dutton's increase by around about two to three percent the
29:04
Speaker 16: primary vote. Now that's in this kind of context, that's
29:07
Speaker 16: a big move, and that's happened pretty slowly and evenly
29:10
Speaker 16: over a couple of years. Now, if he increases the
29:12
Speaker 16: primary vote by two to three percent, it's hard to
29:15
Speaker 16: see the Coalition not winning back. Certainly Curtain in Wa
29:19
Speaker 16: and one or two of the Teal seats in Victoria,
29:23
Speaker 16: the new South walest ones, the ones around Sydney would
29:26
Speaker 16: be a lot more difficult for them to get into.
29:29
Speaker 16: But equally, now they've got to guard their flanks because
29:32
Speaker 16: the Teals are now contesting a lot of National Party
29:35
Speaker 16: hitherto National Party or safe Liberal Party seats out in
29:39
Speaker 16: places you know, like Wan and Nichols and so on.
29:41
Speaker 5: Kalpa.
29:42
Speaker 16: There's a lot of those seats that are now being
29:44
Speaker 16: fought by pretty activist, independent teal candidates, and that's something
29:49
Speaker 16: that the Coalition need to focus on now.
29:52
Speaker 1: The economy matters to voters.
29:53
Speaker 2: It's the biggest factor surely in driving people to change
29:57
Speaker 2: their vote or vote in a particular way elections.
30:00
Speaker 1: And we've had constant inflation.
30:03
Speaker 2: Here, cost of living pressures are really heavy on so
30:07
Speaker 2: many people around the country. And overlaying that, I suppose
30:11
Speaker 2: there's a sense that I get we all want our
30:13
Speaker 2: children to be better off than we are, and that's
30:15
Speaker 2: been the happy story in Australia's prosperity.
30:19
Speaker 1: For all the post war decades.
30:21
Speaker 2: Really we've been able to see things getting better and
30:23
Speaker 2: better all the while. At the moment, I think for
30:25
Speaker 2: the first time, people my age are thinking, you know,
30:29
Speaker 2: our kids are ending up with a situation that's more difficult.
30:33
Speaker 2: They're going to have a tougher life economically than we've had.
30:36
Speaker 2: Do you think these factors are going to be telling
30:39
Speaker 2: come May or April when the election is going to
30:42
Speaker 2: be held.
30:43
Speaker 17: Yeah, look, look what we're seeing me sort of this
30:45
Speaker 17: poll is that people have run out of patience with
30:49
Speaker 17: alb and Easy and with the government.
30:51
Speaker 1: And I think you said something like a percent of Coalition.
30:55
Speaker 16: Voters wanted to give somebody else to go. Was also
30:59
Speaker 16: a sixty six percent of others, which presumably would include
31:02
Speaker 16: teal voters, and sixty eight percent of people who are
31:05
Speaker 16: sixty five and over, So the older age group is
31:08
Speaker 16: pretty is running out of patients. Basically for the government,
31:12
Speaker 16: all of the evidence indicates you get the economics right,
31:15
Speaker 16: the politics follows. The economic growth and economic security, can
31:21
Speaker 16: prices under control. They're all fundamental benchmarks for voters and
31:25
Speaker 16: they have been for a long long time. That and
31:29
Speaker 16: immigration is another one, because what we're seeing right across
31:32
Speaker 16: the western world now is that fertility is falling, and
31:35
Speaker 16: as it falls, what we're seeing is increasing migration to
31:39
Speaker 16: make up for that from poorer countries, and that's causing
31:43
Speaker 16: a lot of tensions in the countries where they're moving to.
31:46
Speaker 16: So this is an international problem and if politicians don't
31:50
Speaker 16: handle it well, like the Biden government didn't in the
31:53
Speaker 16: United States, they get voted out. There's no doubt about it.
31:57
Speaker 2: Thanks John, good to talk to you again. John Black
31:59
Speaker 2: there alive from Brisbane. Without election analysis, you'd be worried
32:03
Speaker 2: sick here. If you are Albow or the ALP electoral
32:06
Speaker 2: team we've got to take a break. On the other side,
32:08
Speaker 2: maths teachers are being told to incorporate Indigenous culture into
32:12
Speaker 2: their lessons.
32:13
Speaker 1: Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson will join me.
32:20
Speaker 2: The National School curriculum is under fire again, with the
32:24
Speaker 2: Federal Opposition compiling a list of some pretty ridiculous ways
32:28
Speaker 2: that maths teachers are expected to incorporate Indigenous culture into lessons,
32:34
Speaker 2: including high school students taught Pythagoras's theorem alongside navigation, design
32:40
Speaker 2: of technologies or surveying by First Nations Australians students in
32:47
Speaker 2: year three.
32:47
Speaker 1: These are seven and eight year olds.
32:50
Speaker 2: They're taught to explore First Nations Australians stories and dances
32:54
Speaker 2: that show the connection between addition and subtraction.
33:00
Speaker 1: One explain what any of this means.
33:03
Speaker 2: Let me bring in Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson live
33:06
Speaker 2: from Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Sarah, this is just appalling, isn't it.
33:09
Speaker 2: It's just got to muddle young minds and create havoc
33:12
Speaker 2: for teachers.
33:16
Speaker 18: Well, Chris, good afternoon. And it is no wonder that
33:18
Speaker 18: primary school teachers and principles from every sector are saying
33:23
Speaker 18: the curriculum is impossible to teach. It is asking too
33:26
Speaker 18: much of teachers, and of course when teachers don't thrive,
33:30
Speaker 18: neither do students. We are very concerned. We spent many
33:33
Speaker 18: weeks mapping the national curriculum just into my office, did
33:36
Speaker 18: an amazing job, but we discovered that there are almost
33:39
Speaker 18: two hundred half thousand different ways in which teachers can
33:44
Speaker 18: embed the cross curriculum priorities into the teaching of subjects
33:48
Speaker 18: right across the board. So in maths, teachers are being
33:51
Speaker 18: encouraged to teach addition and subtraction through the eyes of
33:55
Speaker 18: First Nations dance and this is right through the curriculum.
34:00
Speaker 10: Chris.
34:01
Speaker 18: It is concerning, and it is making life far too
34:04
Speaker 18: tough for teachers, and frankly, they deserve better. And it's
34:08
Speaker 18: very disappointing that we have seen no action on the
34:11
Speaker 18: National Curriculum from the Albernezi government, including its ten year
34:16
Speaker 18: reform plan, which does not even mention the curriculum.
34:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I can understand why you're talking about the
34:24
Speaker 2: pressure this puts on teachers, and yeah, it is too
34:26
Speaker 2: complicated for them, but it is just dumb, right. It's
34:30
Speaker 2: virtue signaling, obviously, but it's dumb and it complicates things
34:34
Speaker 2: for the students. They need to go into maths and
34:36
Speaker 2: just learn maths.
34:41
Speaker 18: Chris, That's exactly right, and it's really concerning that the
34:44
Speaker 18: National Curriculum has so many different examples embedded right through
34:50
Speaker 18: this unwieldy document, which is so big and complex and overcrowded,
34:55
Speaker 18: that the Curriculum Regulator a Kara cannot actually print this
34:59
Speaker 18: document out. I asked for a copy, would you believe
35:03
Speaker 18: in hard copy? The Curriculum Regulator CEO Stephen Ganeil said,
35:07
Speaker 18: it's thousands of pages and we don't have the resources
35:11
Speaker 18: to print it out. So how ridiculous is that If
35:14
Speaker 18: the Curriculum Regulator cannot print this document, how can teachers
35:18
Speaker 18: and students and parents be expected to understand it.
35:22
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we get rid of a national curriculum and let
35:24
Speaker 2: the states compete against each other for decent education?
35:30
Speaker 18: Well, Chris, I think the National Curriculum does play a
35:33
Speaker 18: really important role. It sends benchmarks right across the board
35:36
Speaker 18: as to what students should learn no matter where they
35:39
Speaker 18: are in Australia. But one of the big issues with
35:42
Speaker 18: the National Curriculum it doesn't meet the best evidence based
35:46
Speaker 18: curricula around the world, such as in Singapore and also
35:50
Speaker 18: in the United Kingdom, it's not knowledge rich, and frankly,
35:54
Speaker 18: that's the focus I think that the national curriculum needs
35:57
Speaker 18: to place in terms of what actually resonates in the classroom.
36:01
Speaker 18: It's got to be knowledge rich, setting out what students
36:04
Speaker 18: are expected to learn in each subject in each year level.
36:08
Speaker 18: Certainly the Australian Education Research Organization is calling it out.
36:13
Speaker 18: But if you have a curriculum that is not working
36:16
Speaker 18: in the classroom, we cannot.
36:17
Speaker 19: Achieve our best.
36:19
Speaker 18: And look at the situation at the moment, Chris, one
36:21
Speaker 18: in three children is failing in that plan. That is
36:25
Speaker 18: simply not good enough, not just for individual children, but
36:28
Speaker 18: for our nation, and that's shy. The coalition is determined
36:32
Speaker 18: to get back to basics and get our classrooms and
36:35
Speaker 18: our schools back on track.
36:37
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Sarah, thanks for joining us, Sarah Henderson. There,
36:39
Speaker 2: it's as simple as that. Get education back to basics.
36:43
Speaker 2: That's the policy that they're going to be pushing and
36:46
Speaker 2: I think a lot of parents will nod their heads
36:49
Speaker 2: in agreement, and teachers of course.
36:51
Speaker 1: Now I want to get back to.
36:52
Speaker 2: JD Evans, the Jdvance, that is the US Vice President.
36:57
Speaker 2: I showed you earlier what he had to say in
36:59
Speaker 2: Muni about immigration in particular. He had a lot to
37:03
Speaker 2: say about Europe and challenge the Europeans on a number
37:06
Speaker 2: of fronts. Here's some more from the VEEP.
37:10
Speaker 14: European leaders have a choice, and my strong belief is
37:15
Speaker 14: that we do not need to be afraid of the future.
37:19
Speaker 5: You can embrace what.
37:20
Speaker 14: Your people tell you, even when it's surprising, even when
37:23
Speaker 14: you don't agree, and if you do so, you can
37:26
Speaker 14: face the future with certainty and with confidence, knowing that
37:29
Speaker 14: the nation stands behind each of you.
37:33
Speaker 2: Let's go to London now and catch up with Sophie
37:35
Speaker 2: Ellsworth News Corps Europe correspondents Sophie the Europeans.
37:39
Speaker 1: I bet I love getting lectured by an American.
37:45
Speaker 20: I don't think that's going down too well at all, Chris.
37:47
Speaker 20: But he has some very valid points that he's made,
37:51
Speaker 20: and you know, concerning here in the UK about what
37:55
Speaker 20: he's going on with this. You know that he's attacking
37:59
Speaker 20: the migration and it is a big issue here. It's
38:02
Speaker 20: constantly making the news. You know, in this speech he delivered,
38:05
Speaker 20: it was very you know, from the heart he's concerned
38:09
Speaker 20: about what he's going on here in Europe and as
38:12
Speaker 20: I've said to you before, Chris, a lot of the
38:14
Speaker 20: big issues here in Europe are the ones that we
38:17
Speaker 20: have back home in Australia, and migration is undoubtedly one
38:21
Speaker 20: of the most important issues that you know JD Vance
38:25
Speaker 20: addressed and that he's a problem here and back home.
38:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:29
Speaker 2: I showed some of what he had to say on
38:31
Speaker 2: migration at the top of the program because it is
38:33
Speaker 2: so pertinent to us here. The other thing, I suppose
38:37
Speaker 2: the thesis of his speech was, you know, the Europeans
38:40
Speaker 2: still want America to protect them, give them this security
38:44
Speaker 2: guarantee that that's been in place since the Second World War.
38:47
Speaker 1: But he said, well, what are we protecting?
38:49
Speaker 2: Where are these European and democratic liberal traditions and qualities
38:55
Speaker 2: that were supposed to be defending Europe should be doing
38:58
Speaker 2: more to defend those. So let's have a little look
39:01
Speaker 2: at a little bit more from Jdevans.
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Speaker 14: Europe faces many challenges, but the crisis this continent faces
39:09
Speaker 14: right now, the crisis I believe we all face together,
39:13
Speaker 14: is one of our own making.
39:17
Speaker 5: If you're running in fear of your own voters, there.
39:20
Speaker 14: Is nothing America can do for you, nor for that matter,
39:23
Speaker 14: is there anything that you can do for the American
39:26
Speaker 14: people who elected me and elected President Trump.
39:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie, running from your own voters.
39:32
Speaker 2: And this goes to your point about migration, and he's
39:34
Speaker 2: saying that the voters get it. The voters in Britain
39:37
Speaker 2: through Brexit and whatever, and what we're seeing in other
39:41
Speaker 2: European nations.
39:41
Speaker 1: We'll see in Germany, I think in a week or so.
39:44
Speaker 2: The voters want strong boarders, but the politicians don't deliver
39:48
Speaker 2: what the voters want.
39:52
Speaker 20: Well, Chris hasn't been such a big issue here in
39:54
Speaker 20: the UK, as you know, and we had the Conservative
39:58
Speaker 20: Party in government fourteen years and I can tell you
40:02
Speaker 20: on broadcasts over here in the papers, the radios every morning, migration.
40:08
Speaker 20: I would almost argue its top of the debate ahead
40:12
Speaker 20: of cost of living. It's a constant problem and the
40:15
Speaker 20: ramifications of migration. People are really angry, they can't afford things,
40:20
Speaker 20: They feel like house prices are out of control, there's
40:23
Speaker 20: issues with employment. So they're blaming it on migration and
40:26
Speaker 20: it seems to be something that is just festering and
40:30
Speaker 20: gathering more and more momentum. And I would argue that
40:33
Speaker 20: is why Nigel Frais's Reform Party has had such an
40:37
Speaker 20: impact because this is one of the key issues that
40:40
Speaker 20: he is fighting on.
40:41
Speaker 2: Spot on, Sophia, I couldn't agree with you more and
40:44
Speaker 2: he's going to be fascinating to watch. Thanks for joining
40:46
Speaker 2: us again, Sophie Elsworth, the europe correspondent for News Corp.
40:50
Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
40:51
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with gematone Uni
40:53
Speaker 2: and Caroline dous So we'll talk about how the new
40:55
Speaker 2: South Wales government is now.
40:56
Speaker 1: Promoting ev friendly road trips.
41:00
Speaker 2: You can take them on the road, just got to
41:02
Speaker 2: be careful about where. So much to get through with
41:10
Speaker 2: Gematon Yuni on the desk here with me from GT
41:12
Speaker 2: Communications and of course Caroline are also host of the
41:15
Speaker 2: Royal Royal Report. Joining us from a wonderful Perth. Got
41:19
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts as you're both a West Australian
41:22
Speaker 2: and a former West Australian on your glorious West Australian.
41:27
Speaker 1: Senator Fatima Payman.
41:29
Speaker 2: Is she railing against the horrific attitudes that can be
41:33
Speaker 2: prevalent in Muslim communities about Jewish people and people from Israel. No,
41:39
Speaker 2: she thinks the Bankstown Hospital nurses are hard done by.
41:42
Speaker 11: Hav loook, they've apologized, they have been punished. What is
41:47
Speaker 11: the end goal here? What exactly are we trying to
41:50
Speaker 11: achieve justice or just public humiliation? We never see the
41:55
Speaker 11: same level of anger and vitriol when the roles are reversed.
42:01
Speaker 10: What do you make of this Gemma, Well, I think
42:03
Speaker 10: it's confected outrage and I think she's speaking to you know,
42:06
Speaker 10: the people she's trying to engage. But I would ask
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Speaker 10: the Senator to give me one example of an equivalent crime.
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Speaker 10: Give me an example where a nurses of another ethnicity
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Speaker 10: or faith have threatened to kill people that there have
42:20
Speaker 10: an ideological conflict that goes back century. I mean, this
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Speaker 10: is just what I wrote about in my column on
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Speaker 10: the weekend, Chris. This is about values. This isn't about faith, ethnicity, religion.
42:30
Speaker 10: It is about Australian values. And I'm sorry, threatening to
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Speaker 10: kill and boasting about killing, as we've seen on the video,
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Speaker 10: that's not Australian values. And if Senator Payman was representing
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Speaker 10: the Australian people in Parliament, she would say nothing.
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Speaker 19: That she said.
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Speaker 10: What is the end goal here? The end goal is
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Speaker 10: to make sure this never happens again.
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Speaker 1: Exactly to get rid of these attitudes.
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Speaker 2: And look, there's similar attitudes to what she's outlined there, Carolina,
42:56
Speaker 2: have been outlined by a Muslim community statement, are roping
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Speaker 2: in so many reputable Muslim community groups, including.
43:04
Speaker 1: Though with his Booksaria, who are a terrorist.
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Speaker 2: Organization in many many countries, including the UK and Iraq
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Speaker 2: and Indonesia. This is worrying that the Muslim community is
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Speaker 2: seeing it solve as the victims here when they should
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Speaker 2: actually be helping us to stamp out these attitudes.
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Speaker 4: And we're dealing with a very serious and particular issue here, Chris,
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Speaker 4: and I think one of the reasons that Australians have
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Speaker 4: just been so up in arms.
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Speaker 19: About this, and rightly so, is we have.
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Speaker 4: A great amount of trust with our health service. Now,
43:41
Speaker 4: every health service across the state has its problems, but
43:44
Speaker 4: we live in a country where everyone expects that they
43:47
Speaker 4: are going to receive from healthcare professionals the best possible
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Speaker 4: healthcare that they can provide, regardless of their race.
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Speaker 19: So we are talking about a very.
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Speaker 4: Particular circumstance in which this has occurred, and I think,
44:03
Speaker 4: you know, I think people would feel very rattled by this, and.
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Speaker 19: Not just members of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: I just don't really think that this sort of example
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Speaker 4: should be subject to what about ism. I know that
44:16
Speaker 4: there are examples of racism in this country and they
44:18
Speaker 4: all need to be dealt with on their own.
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Speaker 19: Merits, But can we just deal with this one as
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Speaker 19: it is?
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Speaker 4: Because this conversation is not helped by the what about
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Speaker 4: ism the other thing. And this is where jem is
44:29
Speaker 4: almost right but not quite right. Her job is to
44:32
Speaker 4: represent the West Australian people. Her job is to do
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Speaker 4: her best in the Australian Senate for the West Australian people.
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Speaker 19: I'm not quite sure how this helps.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't help at all. It's a hindrance.
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Speaker 2: You're dead right there. What about ism is a problem here.
44:47
Speaker 2: Let's go back to domestic politics. I showed you a
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Speaker 2: little bit earlier of Peter dutton On's sixty minutes last night.
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Speaker 1: Here's some more.
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Speaker 5: From what Australians have seen thus far. They'd be forgiven
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Speaker 5: for thinking that you are right up Donald Trump's ass.
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Speaker 1: Well, there might be a label line, but it's just
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Speaker 1: not true.
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Speaker 15: I think I've demonstrated that I'm prepared to make the
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Speaker 15: tough decisions and make the decisions that are in our
45:07
Speaker 15: country's best interest.
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Speaker 2: Pretty crude formulation there from Carl. But this is going
45:14
Speaker 2: to be an attack of Labor. They're trying to make
45:16
Speaker 2: him out Australia's Trump. Now, some people are going to
45:19
Speaker 2: love that, but it's fake. Well, it's a totally different system.
45:23
Speaker 2: You cannot have a Trump in Australia. Peter Dutton is
45:26
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 10: I think it's just First of all, I think, respectfully
45:29
Speaker 10: that was a dumb question. It was a crude and
45:31
Speaker 10: unbecoming question. It's my view. Second of all, anyone who's
45:36
Speaker 10: observed Peter Dutton for more than thirty seconds would laugh
45:39
Speaker 10: at that proposition because it's just not true. From a
45:41
Speaker 10: personality level. I will be completely honest. I was very
45:46
Speaker 10: much Dutton agnostic. I didn't have a view on in him.
45:48
Speaker 10: I didn't have a view on him at all. I
45:49
Speaker 10: didn't actually expect him to last until midway through last year,
45:53
Speaker 10: and I thought there's some substance to this bloke.
45:55
Speaker 19: And what I've seen about him.
45:56
Speaker 10: I like him, and I like the way that he
45:58
Speaker 10: has behaved under pressure, responded to the lies and the
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Speaker 10: revolting behavior of Labor attacking him, attacking his wife, attacking
46:05
Speaker 10: all of the personal stuff. I think the idea that
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Speaker 10: he's trying to be Trumpion or could be Trumpient is
46:13
Speaker 10: just political desperation. That's my view.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really weak. And the Australians know this,
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Speaker 2: don't they, Carolina. We have compulsory voting, We have a
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Speaker 2: prime minister who sits in the Parliament the first among
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Speaker 2: equals no matter what. And he's a totally different character anyway,
46:26
Speaker 2: but the constraints on our system just make it totally different.
46:30
Speaker 1: You can't have a Trumpian figure.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I totally agree with you, and I actually wrote
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Speaker 4: about this precise point last week, Chris, where you know,
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Speaker 4: Peter is really quite a pragmatist. He understands his principles.
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Speaker 4: He's a conviction politician, but he understands it. In Australia,
46:48
Speaker 4: you win elections in the middle, and you make the point.
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Speaker 19: About compulsory voting.
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Speaker 4: That is absolutely the center point that pulls this whole
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Speaker 4: argument apart that Peter is somehow Trumpian because you do
47:04
Speaker 4: have to aim for the center, unlike the US, where
47:07
Speaker 4: you have voluntary voting, you can choose to vote or not,
47:11
Speaker 4: and you tend to have their political leaders throwing a
47:15
Speaker 4: lot more red meat to the basin and essentially motivating
47:18
Speaker 4: people to come out to vote. We don't have to
47:20
Speaker 4: do that in this country. So our policy settings and
47:23
Speaker 4: our narrative tends to be a lot more focused on
47:26
Speaker 4: what is the broad application of this policy and who
47:30
Speaker 4: does it help the most?
47:31
Speaker 19: And I think that.
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Speaker 4: They're totally totally is totally different to the situation in
47:37
Speaker 4: the US. And similarly, this whole idea of executive orders
47:41
Speaker 4: in the US and you want this to do that,
47:43
Speaker 4: there is just no way, There is no way that
47:46
Speaker 4: can happen under our system. So I think people need
47:49
Speaker 4: to stop being lazy and just sit this one out.
47:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:52
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Speaking of the US, I've got to bring you
47:54
Speaker 2: up to speed with Kamala Harris. Yes, she's still out
47:56
Speaker 2: there and she's still come on. I have a look
47:58
Speaker 2: at this where she turns up at a Broadway play.
48:02
Speaker 20: But also let's see it as you know, nature apports
48:04
Speaker 20: a vacuum, so where there's a vacancy, let's fill it.
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Speaker 10: Right.
48:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, nature abhors a vacuum. Another banality there from the
48:15
Speaker 2: former vice president. But have a listener to this one.
48:19
Speaker 20: And it doesn't mean we don't see the beauty and
48:21
Speaker 20: everything right, these things all coexist.
48:26
Speaker 19: But I believe we fight for something, not against.
48:32
Speaker 1: Oh that killed me. We fight for something, not against something.
48:35
Speaker 2: The only thing she ever did in politics was fight
48:37
Speaker 2: against Trump.
48:38
Speaker 10: She's unburdening. I mean, she's just a bit of a paddler,
48:43
Speaker 10: isn't she the poor love? I mean, she's I read
48:46
Speaker 10: the other day that she's the front runner for the
48:47
Speaker 10: next presidential nomination, and I'm all about it now and
48:53
Speaker 10: the race lady.
48:54
Speaker 2: Now, we've just heard from both of you as to
48:57
Speaker 2: why Australia can't have a Trump. But when you have
48:59
Speaker 2: a look at this clip of the president at Daytona,
49:03
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to be crying about
49:05
Speaker 2: the fact we can't. Here's the president in the beast
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Speaker 2: on the famous Daytona racetrack.
49:11
Speaker 7: This is your favorite president.
49:13
Speaker 16: I'm a BIF fan.
49:14
Speaker 7: I am a really big fan of people.
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Speaker 20: That you do this.
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Speaker 11: I don't know, but I just want you to be chief.
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Speaker 1: You twenty people that great people, Americans.
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Speaker 10: Have a good day.
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Speaker 14: You have a lot of fun.
49:26
Speaker 7: And I'll be later.
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Speaker 6: So good.
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Speaker 2: But Caroline Peter Dutton was smart enough to go to
49:32
Speaker 2: Bathurst this year I think last year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and It's one of those things, right. We saw
49:39
Speaker 4: we saw the President last weekend at the super Bowl,
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Speaker 4: and in incredibly well.
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Speaker 1: He is authentic. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Sorry to catch you off, Carolin dersso there and Gematon Jini.
49:53
Speaker 2: We are all out of time. I want to throw
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Speaker 2: you to Peter Quidlin in London.
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Speaker 1: Cheers