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Her Mom never Approved of her Boyfriend - and she paid the price for it _ Murder of Barbara Mullenix · History Dark

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  Speaker 1: That this was a violent, brutal crime.
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  Speaker 2: I know that she's somebody's sister, somebody's daughter.
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  Speaker 3: In a case like this, the body told the story.
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  Speaker 4: She was attacked so severely, the most severe and the
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  Speaker 4: most aggressive attack that I think I've ever seen on
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  Speaker 4: a human being.
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  Speaker 5: In the external examination, I had seen that there were
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  Speaker 5: 52 stab or slash type wounds.
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  Speaker 6: There was a lot of rage involved here.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that I was kidnapped? Do you know that?
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  Speaker 2: It had to be personal.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't a random attack.
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  Speaker 7: Every murder is a mystery. But a victim's body is
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  Speaker 7: a sea of evidence. Every fiber is a clue. Every wound,
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  Speaker 7: a piece of the puzzle. The medical examiner holds the
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  Speaker 7: key to unlock their stories and catch a killer.
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  Speaker 8: This is Secrets of the Morgue.
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  Speaker 3: Newport Beach is a very affluent area. Waterfront properties, great
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  Speaker 3: shopping and restaurants, and just a beautiful place to enjoy
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  Speaker 3: the outdoors.
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  Speaker 2: It was about as glamorous as you can get. Lots
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  Speaker 2: of yachts. I couldn't even afford an outhouse in Newport.
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  Speaker 7: One summer's day, a beautiful afternoon on the Pacific Ocean
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  Speaker 7: ends in horror.
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  Speaker 4: The radio call came out as a dead body floating
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  Speaker 4: in the Newport Harbor. I drove from the station directly
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  Speaker 4: down to the yacht club. The body was still floating
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  Speaker 4: on the water. It was obviously a female. She was nude,
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  Speaker 4: but wrapped loosely in a sheet. When I saw this
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  Speaker 4: poor woman, I know that she's somebody's sister, somebody's daughter.
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  Speaker 4: This woman had numerous stab marks throughout her body. She
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  Speaker 4: was attacked so severely, it was the most severe and
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  Speaker 4: the most.
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  Speaker 4: Aggressive attack that I think I've ever seen on a
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  Speaker 4: human being.
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  Speaker 7: The woman's body isn't the only thing tangled in the sheet.
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  Speaker 2: There was actually a folded knife.
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  Speaker 4: And on the knife was some blood and looks like
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  Speaker 4: some human tissue still.
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  Speaker 7: The mutilated body is sent to Orange County forensic pathologist Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Sean Enloe, who has performed over 2,000 autopsies.
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  Speaker 1: I like to solve puzzles.
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  Speaker 5: And forensic pathology is rife with puzzles that need solving.
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  Speaker 1: This was a violent, brutal crime.
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  Speaker 5: On her upper chest and neck and on her upper back,
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  Speaker 5: there were, I counted, I think, 52 stab or slash wounds.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe's first job is to help detectives identify the woman.
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  Speaker 2: The coroner's investigator, it's their crime scene, so to speak.
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  Speaker 4: The body is theirs, the crime scene is ours, and
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  Speaker 4: we work in conjunction with each other to try to
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  Speaker 4: determine what actually happened.
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  Speaker 5: One of our first go-tos is their fingerprints. Her fingerprints
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  Speaker 5: were obscured because of her being in the water. When
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  Speaker 5: a body, living or dead, has been in the water,
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  Speaker 5: the balance between the different substances within our bodies and
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  Speaker 5: the water try to come to some equilibrium.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes your hands or toes will turn.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of pruney and get kind of wrinkled. That can
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  Speaker 5: obscure to get a good fingerprint match. In this case,
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  Speaker 5: the fingertips were distorted to a point where we did
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  Speaker 5: not get a good match.
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  Speaker 7: Without fingerprints, Dr. Enloe needs to find another way to
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  Speaker 7: reveal the woman's identity.
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  Speaker 5: Dental records are often used, but we don't have a dental... database,
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  Speaker 5: that's confirmatory. All of the ways that we traditionally use
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  Speaker 5: for trying to determine someone's identity have not been productive.
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  Speaker 1: We do not know who this person is.
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  Speaker 7: For detectives, it's bad news. Investigating a Jane Doe case
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  Speaker 7: can be an uphill battle.
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  Speaker 4: Identifying the female was primary to us, but also trying
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  Speaker 4: to find out if there were additional victims and who
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  Speaker 4: the suspects were.
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  Speaker 10: Jane Doe cases can be so difficult to solve because
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  Speaker 10: you don't have the starting point of all investigations, which
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  Speaker 10: is who is this person? Then you don't know who
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  Speaker 10: their enemies are. You don't know where she was last.
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  Speaker 10: You don't know who might have a motivation to kill her.
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  Speaker 4: When you have to investigate a Jane Doe or a
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  Speaker 4: John Doe, the medical examiner's office is an integral part
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  Speaker 4: of a team. Without them, it just makes our job
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  Speaker 4: way more difficult.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe continues his examination and uncovers another clue.
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  Speaker 5: It was evident that she had had breast augmentation. Some
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  Speaker 5: silicone implants have a serial number and a lot number.
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  Speaker 5: These can be tracked back to the manufacturer. In this case,
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  Speaker 5: when I had the breast implants, we had at least
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  Speaker 5: another avenue to pursue as far as who the decedent is.
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  Speaker 7: He sends the information about the serial numbers to detectives
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  Speaker 7: who are still scouring the harbor for evidence before it's lost.
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  Speaker 4: In my mind, the clock's always ticking from the discovery
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  Speaker 4: of the victim. First 48 hours, very important. From that point,
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  Speaker 4: you're running and gunning.
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  Speaker 10: It's crucial that they collect anything that could potentially be
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  Speaker 10: evidence down the line.
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  Speaker 1: They need to.
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  Speaker 10: Just assume that whatever's in the area of the crime
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  Speaker 10: scene could be a part of the puzzle that will
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  Speaker 10: help them solve it.
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  Speaker 4: It was a massive undertaking, and we had hundreds and
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of yachts that I wanted to go out there
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  Speaker 4: to find out who was living on them. If maybe
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  Speaker 4: they saw something or they're potential witness suspects, we don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Within hours, Byington may have a clue.
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  Speaker 4: We had a detective said that he had located a
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  Speaker 4: broken down cardboard box that was floating in the harbor.
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  Speaker 4: There was some that we could still tell it belonged
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  Speaker 4: to a television set.
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  Speaker 2: And there was the barcode that was on there. We
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  Speaker 2: really didn't know what we were going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to retrieve from it.
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  Speaker 8: At the morgue, Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe examines the stab wounds covering Jane Doe's body.
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  Speaker 5: In the external examination, I had seen that there were
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  Speaker 5: 52 stab or slash-type wounds. What I don't know until
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  Speaker 5: I'm able to look more closely at the wounds is,
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  Speaker 5: Are any of these potentially life-threatening? Or is there another
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  Speaker 5: cause of death that is equally or more compelling?
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  Speaker 9: It's truly critical for a medical examiner to keep an
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  Speaker 9: open mind in working out the case. You have to
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  Speaker 9: consider a number of possibilities because if you don't, you
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  Speaker 9: shut the door.
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  Speaker 5: I start making a diagram of the external examination. In
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  Speaker 5: this procedure, I am putting down the features of the
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  Speaker 5: individual stab wound and that includes the length, the depth,
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  Speaker 5: its orientation, and its location on the body. The vast
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  Speaker 5: majority of the 52 wounds were not immediately life-threatening. These
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  Speaker 5: were ones on the hands, the arms, and the ones
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  Speaker 5: on the upper back. They ranged in their depth quite
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  Speaker 5: a bit, but none of them were hitting a major
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  Speaker 5: artery or vein.
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  Speaker 7: But the wounds do tell Dr. Enloe something about how
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  Speaker 7: Jane Doe died.
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  Speaker 5: Wounds on the hands and forearms are consistent with defensive wounds. Typically,
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  Speaker 5: if somebody is attacking you, part of the defense is
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  Speaker 5: trying to push them away and to keep them from
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  Speaker 5: getting where the weapon is going to do more damage.
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  Speaker 3: What that tells us is that this is a fight.
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  Speaker 3: This was not a woman who was killed while she
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  Speaker 3: was sedated. or in any other state of unconsciousness. This
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  Speaker 3: was a woman who fought back.
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  Speaker 5: There were injuries on the front and back of the head, neck,
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  Speaker 5: and the upper chest, and on the front and back
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  Speaker 5: of the right thigh, but from below the breast to
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  Speaker 5: the pelvis, there weren't significant injuries.
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  Speaker 11: This is a vicious attack done by a person or
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  Speaker 11: persons with the intent to kill. The fact that she
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  Speaker 11: was stabbed 52 times suggests that this was not a
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  Speaker 11: kill in self-defense, that this was something that was planned.
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  Speaker 11: It was something motivated by a deep hatred of the person.
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  Speaker 7: But two of the 52 wounds Dr. Enloe identifies are unique.
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  Speaker 5: There were two slash-type wounds on the throat. One got
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  Speaker 5: the carotid artery, one got the jugular vein. Either of
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  Speaker 5: those could be lethal within minutes. So the most immediate
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  Speaker 5: cause of death would be these two wounds.
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  Speaker 7: The autopsy has determined how Jane Doe died, but the
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  Speaker 7: central mystery remains.
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  Speaker 4: What we know right now is we have a woman
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  Speaker 4: that's been severely and aggressively attacked and killed, and so
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  Speaker 4: now we need to identify her and hopefully find out
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  Speaker 4: who was responsible for it.
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  Speaker 7: The serial numbers from the breast implants give detectives their
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  Speaker 7: first solid lead in the case.
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  Speaker 2: We were able to identify the manufacturer.
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  Speaker 4: They were able to identify that they belonged to a
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  Speaker 4: Barbara Monex who was 56 years old.
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  Speaker 7: Then they get a second lead that launches the case
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  Speaker 7: in a new direction.
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  Speaker 4: The detective that was researching the cardboard box was able
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  Speaker 4: to identify through credit card records the purchaser of this TV,
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  Speaker 4: and his name was Bruce Mullinex. We had just heard
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  Speaker 4: Barbara Mullinex's name, so right away we started gearing up
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  Speaker 4: again to go track down where they lived.
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  Speaker 7: Records reveal the victim isn't from Newport, but from nearby
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  Speaker 7: Huntington Beach.
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  Speaker 4: We notify the Huntington Beach Police Department that we have
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  Speaker 4: a homicide victim and that that person's last known address
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  Speaker 4: was in their city. They would start running record checks
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  Speaker 4: on that address and identified both Barbara and her husband
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  Speaker 4: as living together. However, they were divorced and they had
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  Speaker 4: a 17-year-old daughter, Rachel, living with them also.
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  Speaker 2: We call that a clue.
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  Speaker 7: A brutally murdered woman found in Newport Harbor has been
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  Speaker 7: identified as Barbara Mullenix of Huntington Beach, California. Local detective
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  Speaker 7: Steve Mack joins the investigation.
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  Speaker 6: The best way I could describe myself as a detective
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  Speaker 6: was tenacious. If you committed a murder, I was going
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  Speaker 6: to do everything that I could to find you. I
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  Speaker 6: received a call from Sergeant Dave Byington of the Newport
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  Speaker 6: Beach Police Department. He told me about the body that
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  Speaker 6: they recovered from the harbor the day before and that
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  Speaker 6: they'd identified the victim as Barbara Mullinex. and he asked
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  Speaker 6: that we go to the residence until they could arrive
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  Speaker 6: with a search warrant.
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  Speaker 7: Police are worried that something has happened to Barbara's ex-husband, Bruce,
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  Speaker 7: and their daughter, Rachel, inside the home.
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  Speaker 4: We had a judge assign a search warrant for the location,
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  Speaker 4: and my detectives, along with Detective Mack, processed the interior.
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  Speaker 8: Of the house.
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  Speaker 6: It was a two-story condominium, Downstairs was unremarkable. It looked
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  Speaker 6: like it was well-lived in, but there was no evidence
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  Speaker 6: of a crime that could be seen. No bodies, no
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  Speaker 6: other suspects hiding there, no sign of forced entry. We
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  Speaker 6: checked upstairs at that point, and on the landing, outside
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  Speaker 6: of a bedroom was trash that was consistent with packing
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  Speaker 6: of a television set.
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  Speaker 2: We checked that bedroom, and it was.
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  Speaker 6: Obvious the television that was once in the box that
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  Speaker 6: was found was on the wall. The room had an
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  Speaker 6: appearance of belonging to a teenage girl. Her dresser drawers
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  Speaker 6: were empty. Her clothing was gone. It led me to
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  Speaker 6: believe that perhaps Rachel wasn't harmed. but had run away.
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  Speaker 6: We entered into the second bedroom. I wasn't really 100%
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  Speaker 6: expecting that we'd find the crime scene there. But once
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  Speaker 6: we walked in, there was no doubt. We were able
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  Speaker 6: to see blood spatter on the wall, around the window.
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  Speaker 6: at the headboard, on the nightstand adjacent to the bed,
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  Speaker 6: and on the floor. On the wall leading from the
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  Speaker 6: master bedroom back into the bathroom, we could see what
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  Speaker 6: was obviously to me a blood transfer on the wall.
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  Speaker 6: First assumption was it was transfer from somebody's hand touching
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  Speaker 6: the wall. There was no doubt at this point, based
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  Speaker 6: on the blood evidence, blood spatter, the blood transfer. It's
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  Speaker 6: clear someone was murdered in this room. And I had
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  Speaker 6: every reason to believe that it was Barbara.
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  Speaker 7: While forensics collects evidence in the bedroom, detectives are surprised
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  Speaker 7: by an unexpected visitor.
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  Speaker 4: While I was on the perimeter of the crime scene,
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  Speaker 4: Bruce Mullenix walked right up to me. and identified himself
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  Speaker 4: and wanted to know what was going on. I told
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  Speaker 4: him that we'd explain everything in a minute, and then
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  Speaker 4: I went and got detective back.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't seem shocked that his condominium was surrounded by
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  Speaker 6: crime scene tape and uniformed police officers. I told him
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  Speaker 6: that we're conducting a homicide investigation. And he paused for
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  Speaker 6: a moment, And then he said, is it Barbara or Rachel?
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  Speaker 6: I told him that it was Barbara and that we
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  Speaker 6: can't find Rachel.
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  Speaker 4: My fear and Detective Mack's fear was the same, that
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  Speaker 4: she was also the victim of foul play or homicide
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  Speaker 4: or injured somewhere.
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  Speaker 6: Bruce then tells me that he hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 6: make contact with Barbara or Rachel for two days. and
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  Speaker 6: that's highly unusual with Rachel because she is constantly in
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  Speaker 6: contact with him via text messaging or cell phone calls.
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  Speaker 6: I asked Bruce how it is that he came to
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  Speaker 6: live with his ex-wife. He told me that they'd originally
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  Speaker 6: divorced in Oklahoma City and he moved to California.
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  Speaker 7: Barbara takes custody of Rachel and moves to Florida. but
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  Speaker 7: their new life is short-lived.
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  Speaker 6: Some time later, Rachel called Bruce and said, Mom has
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  Speaker 6: no money. We need to come live with you. Bruce
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  Speaker 6: wasn't real excited about moving in with Barbara again, but
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  Speaker 6: Rachel pleaded with him.
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  Speaker 3: The Mullinexes have an unconventional way of living in a home,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure. So now they're living as a divorced couple.
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  Speaker 3: and they each have their own rooms.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was extremely odd, the fact that this
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  Speaker 4: gentleman was living with his ex-wife in the same house
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  Speaker 4: and their daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Usually, if you're exes, you don't live together.
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  Speaker 4: And that was just another kind of the hair on
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  Speaker 4: the back of my neck, thinking that somehow he was responsible.
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  Speaker 7: Detective Mack asks Bruce where he's been for the past
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  Speaker 7: seven days.
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  Speaker 6: Bruce told me that he had been up in the
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  Speaker 6: city of Fresno at a meeting regarding his employment.
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  Speaker 7: He may have an alibi, but investigators are suspicious of
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  Speaker 7: his attitude about Barbara's murder.
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  Speaker 6: Most people demand to know what's going on. It's their house.
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  Speaker 6: Why can't I go into my house? Where's my ex-wife?
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  Speaker 6: Where's my daughter? None of that came out of Bruce.
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  Speaker 6: It made me suspicious that perhaps he already knew what
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  Speaker 6: was going on and just wanted to find.
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  Speaker 8: Out what we knew.
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  Speaker 7: Detectives continue to press Bruce for answers while Dr. Enloe
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  Speaker 7: works to identify the murder weapon and the killer.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes the body can tell us things about the weapons
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  Speaker 5: involved in the death. In this case, We had 52
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  Speaker 5: stab or slash type injuries. A folding knife was in
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  Speaker 5: the bedding that was wrapped with the body. There were
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  Speaker 5: injuries that were wider than the blade of the knife
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  Speaker 5: and some that were deeper than the length of the knife.
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  Speaker 5: This folding knife could not have caused all of the
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  Speaker 5: injuries that I saw on the body.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe looks closer at Barbara's wounds and makes a disturbing discovery.
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  Speaker 5: There is a gray object that is located between the
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  Speaker 5: eye and the eyelid. An x-ray was done, and the
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  Speaker 5: x-ray shows that there is a knife. It's been driven
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  Speaker 5: into the head for its full length. I have never
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  Speaker 5: seen anything like this before or since.
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  Speaker 7: The location of the knife reveals a gruesome new detail
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  Speaker 7: about the violence of Barbara's death.
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  Speaker 1: It does not cut the eyelid. It does not burst
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  Speaker 1: the eye.
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  Speaker 5: That's telling me that this blade was hammered in either
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  Speaker 5: while the decedent is dying or is already dead.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe removes the knife from the skull and sends it
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  Speaker 7: to detectives.
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  Speaker 6: The handle of that particular knife matched the handles of
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  Speaker 6: the utensils that were in the drawer of.
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  Speaker 8: The Mullinex kitchen.
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  Speaker 3: We could tell that there was one particular knife that
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  Speaker 3: was missing out of the set. and it matched the
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  Speaker 3: same one that we found in Barbara's body.
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  Speaker 6: If somebody grabs a knife from within the residence and
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  Speaker 6: commits a crime with it, you would think that it's
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  Speaker 6: somebody that lives there. That further added suspicion that Bruce,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: the ex-husband, could be involved in this homicide.
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  Speaker 7: Detective Steve Mack has confirmed that Barbara Mullenix was murdered
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  Speaker 7: in her bedroom And her ex-husband, Bruce, is the prime suspect.
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  Speaker 6: Usually the ex-husband or ex-wife in these types of cases
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  Speaker 6: are the first suspect because they're the ones that have
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  Speaker 6: the close contact with the victim. They're the ones most
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  Speaker 6: likely to have animosity towards the victim and they snap.
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  Speaker 7: Bruce claims that he couldn't have killed Barbara because he's
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: been out of town on business.
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  Speaker 11: Many criminals have a sense of hubris. They believe that
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  Speaker 11: they can get away with a perfect crime. and that
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  Speaker 11: they can elude and outsmart detectives.
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  Speaker 7: To confirm Bruce's alibi, Detective Mack needs to know when
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  Speaker 7: Barbara died.
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  Speaker 6: Getting the time of death or approximate time of death
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  Speaker 6: from the pathologist is extremely important.
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  Speaker 5: One of the ways that we determine time of death
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  Speaker 5: is algor mortis, which is the characteristics of the body
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: to cool after death. But it is different in air
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  Speaker 5: than it is in water. In this particular case, the
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  Speaker 5: body was put into a body of water, Newport Harbor.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Enloe can use the fact that the body was in
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  Speaker 7: water to his advantage.
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  Speaker 5: Even though someone is in a body of water, that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't prohibit decomposition from occurring. But she was relatively identifiable.
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  Speaker 5: She didn't have decomposition. So my estimate of the time
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  Speaker 5: of death was... least a few hours and probably not
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  Speaker 5: more than.
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  Speaker 1: A few days.
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  Speaker 7: Armed with the new information, Detective Mack drills deeper into
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  Speaker 7: Bruce Mullenix's alibi.
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  Speaker 6: Bruce told me that he went to a conference in
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  Speaker 6: the city of Fresno on September 12th and was away
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: from the residence until he returned late in the afternoon
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: on September 14th. Barbara's body was discovered on September 13th,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: which is in the middle of the days that Bruce
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: said he was gone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Detective Mack needs to narrow the time of death further
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: if he wants to eliminate Bruce as a suspect.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: We began door-to-door canvassing of neighbors to see if anybody
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: could give us any information. A resident that lived next
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: door to Barbara Mullinex said he was awakened around 2
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning on September 13th to the sound.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Of a struggle.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Speaking with another neighbor, he said sometime around 2.30 he
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: heard the sounds of a box being dragged along the concrete.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: He looked out the window and he saw two people
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: putting a box in the back of Barbara Mullinex's station wagon.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: What that says to me is that this occurred on
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: the early morning hours of September 13th when Rachel was
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: supposed to be home with her mother.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: With a clear time frame, Detective Mack needs to determine
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: if Bruce's alibi holds up.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Based on interviews with the hotel staff and other witnesses
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: at the conference, it would have been extremely difficult, if
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: not impossible, for him to drive from Fresno, four to
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: four and a half hour drive each way, commit the murder,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: clean up and dispose of evidence and the body, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: return to Fresno by the time conference started the next morning.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, at this point, Bruce is no longer
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: a suspect.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: With Bruce in the clear and Rachel still missing, detectives
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: worry she's been abducted by the real killer.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Nobody's been able to contact her for two days.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: To find her, they need Bruce to reveal everything he
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: knows about his family and their broken lives.
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: Investigators always want to know everything they possibly can about
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: the victim.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So who knows?
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: Is out there who might be an enemy. Who were
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: they with in the days leading up to their death?
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: Were they dating anyone? They need to understand what was
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: going on in the victim's life.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: During the investigation, Bruce also told me that Barbara had
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: a difficult past. That at one point, she had been raped.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: So all she had in her life to keep her
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: going was Rachel.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: The relationship with Rachel and her mother was very codependent.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Rachel decided that she didn't want to go to school anymore,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and she convinced her parents that she didn't need to
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: go to school. So she was home with Barbara most
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: of the day. I think the interesting part about Barbara
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Mullenix was that, by all accounts, she was the life
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: of the party. She was social. I think she would
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: be described as a fun woman, except when she drank
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: too much.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Barbara was an alcoholic. She got verbally and physically abusive
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: when she drank.
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Barbara's drinking may have played a role in her death,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: and Rachel may be the only one who knows, but
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: she's vanished.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: We didn't know if she had been kidnapped if she
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: had been murdered.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We had no idea where this young woman was.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: I asked Bruce if he could tell me any further
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: about Rachel. He really didn't have an idea of who
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: her friends were, except her new boyfriend that she was
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: spending all of her time with. Bruce told me that
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: the new boyfriend was named Ian Allen and that he
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: was 21, four years older than Rachel.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: Ian and Rachel appeared deeply in love, but Barbara wasn't
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: so supportive.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: As time went on, Barbara became extremely jealous of Ian
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: spending all his time with Rachel, and that's when she
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: started making threats against Ian. Threats to tell his employer
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: that he was a drug dealer. Threats to go to
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: the district attorney's office and report him for statutory....
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: Barbara's determined to break them up. while Rachel tries to
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: protect Ian and their relationship.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Rachel had her parents sign this document granting permission for
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Ian to have sex with her and avoid the statutory laws.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: In California, statutory laws prohibit a 21-year-old to have sex
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: with a 16-year-old because that's not the age of consent.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's 18.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Well, there are three things on my mind at this point. One,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Rachel herself is a victim of a homicide case. Two,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Rachel's been kidnapped by whoever the killer is. Or three,
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: she was physically involved in the homicide.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: Ian Allen is now Detective Mack's number one priority.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: But there's a problem. Ian has also disappeared.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: We went to Ian's residence and spoke with his parents.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: The last time Ian's parents saw him or Rachel were
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: about six hours before the body was found. The parents
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: said that Ian was a good kid growing up, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: the worst thing that we were able to find about
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Ian is he got a speeding ticket.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Ian's parents also tell detectives that they know all about
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: the fighting between Rachel, Ian, and Barbara.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: About a week prior to this, Rachel had been at
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: their house and had fallen asleep while watching television with Ian.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Rachel had a curfew that she apparently missed, and that
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: made Barbara angry. Barbara came to their residence at 1
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning and was banging on the door
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: and yelling for Rachel to come out. Rachel went downstairs
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: and Barbara grabbed her and dragged her off to their
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: car and they left, leaving the Allens somewhat dumbfounded by
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: what just occurred.
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: Then Ian's parents give Detective Mack some alarming information.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: It was discovered that they were missing a. 38 caliber
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: revolver and now our fear was that Ian was in
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: possession of a handgun. We contacted friends of Ian and
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Alan and asked if they knew the whereabouts of Ian
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: and Rachel. One of the friends said that a few
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: days prior, they had been at a beach party. Ian
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: was there, Rachel wasn't, because she was at home and
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: forbidden from seeing Ian. Ian had a couple of drinks
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: and said that he was going to kill his girlfriend's mother,
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: and he was going to drive her to the desert
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: in her car and blow the car up, His friends
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: didn't take him seriously so one of them said, I
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: wouldn't drive out to the desert, I'd just throw her
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: in the ocean.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: Detective Steve Mack now considers Ian Allen the prime suspect
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: in the murder of Barbara Mullenix and the disappearance of
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: her daughter, Rachel.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: It's clear to me that the animosity that Ian has
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: for Barbara is insurmountable.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: Ian's anger toward Barbara could explain why her death was
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: so violent.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: There was a cluster of superficial injuries on the upper back.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: The fact that they're all together and so shallow makes
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: me think that the intent was more injury or expressing
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: their anger than it was of trying to kill.
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: The fact that The stab wounds on Barbara's face were
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: done after she was already dead indicates that the person
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: who committed this had a great deal of rage towards Barbara.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: The term overkill is often used in forensic cases in
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: which there are injuries that are produced that are not
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: needed to cause the death.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Just 24 hours have passed since Barbara's body was found
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: floating in the harbor.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: At this point in the investigation, time is still the essence.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: We still have to worry about Rachel's safety and make
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: sure that she's not a kidnap victim or a homicide victim.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Detective Mack presses Ian's parents for more details about their
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: son and Rachel.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Approximately 10 o'clock in the morning on the 13th, Ian
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: and Rachel came to the Allen residence. Ian went to
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: his bedroom and packed a duffel bag, and Rachel used
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the computer. The Allens agreed to let us search the computer,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: and that's when he found MapQuest directions on how to
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: get to Florida from Huntington Beach.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Well, we knew that Barbara and Rachel had lived in.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Tampa, Florida.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: We obtained Rachel's phone records as well as Ian's, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: we did find phone calls to someone in Tampa and
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: ultimately learned that she had called an ex-boyfriend and said
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: that she and Ian needed a place to stay for
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: a few days.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: According to Rachel's friend, Rachel sounded happy and elated to
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: be coming to Tampa. Nothing about kidnappings or being in
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: danger or code words or anything like that was uttered.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: It was my belief, though, that she was on the
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: run with Ian. I no longer have concerns for Rachel's
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: safety and well-being. I now have concerns about getting her
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: in custody for murder.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: To track the fugitives down, detectives accessed their credit card records.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: In the afternoon of the 14th, Ian Allen's gas card
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: was used at a Chevron station in Sulphur, Louisiana. While
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: other detectives were trying to use the computers to find
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: out what the next big city was, one of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: old-time detectives grabbed a big old Rand McNally road atlas,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: opened it up to Louisiana and found sulfur and went Lafayette.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: So he called the Lafayette Parish Sheriff's Office and said, hey,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: can you look for him?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: The police had set up on I-10 and blocked off
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the freeway so that no traffic could get through. They
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: stopped the truck. Ian yielded to the police and they
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: were both taken out of the car.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Rachel Mullenix and Ian Allen are arrested and held in
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: custody while Steve Mack flies to Louisiana to confront them
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: in person.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: In attempting to talk to Rachel, She kept claiming that
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: she was kidnapped and held against her will and didn't
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: know what was going on. You understand what you're under
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: arrest for?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: No, no one will.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Tell me anything what's going on. You are under arrest
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: for the murder of your mother.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Do you know that I was kidnapped? Do you know that?
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: I know that's what you're saying.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: What do you mean that's what I'm saying?
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: We have physical evidence to the contrary.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: What do you believe we mean?
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: We have physical evidence that you're an active participant, and
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: that's what I want to talk to you about.
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: Please let me talk to you, please. I want my
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: mom back.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: She was trying to cry. She's a terrible actress. I
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: told her I didn't believe her. I watched you cry
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: and stuff for 20 minutes, and not one tear has
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: fallen from your eye. landed on your jumpsuit.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Or anything else?
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been crying.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Have you not asked these people?
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Your eyes aren't red at all.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Have you not asked these people?
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: I have to be crying.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I have to be crying.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: Rachel refuses to confess. Instead, she tells Detective Mack a
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: graphic story of how Ian killed her mother.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I was asleep. It was the middle of the night.
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: I heard my mom scream my name.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I ran in her room.
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: And I saw Ian standing there on top of her,
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: stabbing her.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: She tried to deny everything and that she tried to
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: push Ian off. And Ian pushed her against the wall
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: and knocked her out. I explained to her that I
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: knew she was lying. I knew she wasn't kidnapped. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: knew he wasn't holding her against her will. And she
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: just kept denying and denying and denying. Your mother was
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: brutally murdered.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know. I didn't tell my mom.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Do that.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I concluded my interview with Rachel and went over to
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: speak to Ian.
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: What I'm asking is, is there any way, though, to
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: get her off the hook or.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: No.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: None at all?
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: No.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: He tried to deny that Rachel was involved, said that
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: she had been kidnapped and she should be sent home
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: to her father. He was accepting all the blame and
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: saying that Rachel had nothing to do with the stabbing
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: of her mother. I knew he was lying.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: Ian Allen has confessed to the brutal murder of Barbara Mullenix.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: The stabbing incident.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Start over.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: But Rachel Mullenix, Barbara's daughter, refuses to admit guilt in
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: the crime.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't kill anybody. I didn't kill my mom.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: Investigators believe there's a lot more to their story.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: We're shocked that Ian Allen is insisting on taking the.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Blame for this murder.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And he wants, in his mind, to do the honorable thing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: He was saying that she was kidnapped and we could
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: let her go. She had no involvement. And I said,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to let you sit here and lie
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: to me.
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: I know better.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: What I knew is the absolute truth.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Trying to protect Rachel is not necessarily in your best interest.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: He's telling me how he and Rachel were in love.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Barbara was interfering with the relationship and trying to control
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: and dominate the situation. And that on the night of
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: the occurrence.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: He went over to Rachel's house at about one in
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: the morning. He had a knife with him, but it
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: was a small pocket knife with a locking blade. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: he didn't think that was going to be enough to
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: scare Barbara. So he went into the kitchen and grabbed
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: two other knives.
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: I held the knife right to her throat and she
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: just started screaming, Rachel, Rachel, help me, he's trying to
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: kill me. I tried to move her head over to
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: the pillow to Ian.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Confesses to the murder, but he still maintains Rachel is innocent.
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: Well, if I didn't sit there and stab her, how can.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I be charged with murder?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Ian says it was all me.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I took her.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I did all the killing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: Their story falls apart when investigators analyze security video of
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: the couple's road trip.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Footage at a gas station in Louisiana shows Rachel Mullenix
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: walking freely throughout the mini-mart that's in the gas station.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: At some point, she comes over to Ian in a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: very loving way as he's using the ATM. She goes
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and gets a drink. of something by herself. She goes
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to the cash register and pays for it. And then
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: they both get in the truck and drive away. Rachel
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Mullenix looks very much at ease. No evidence of any
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: woman who's ever been through anything traumatic, much less kidnapping.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: To prove beyond a doubt that Rachel is an accomplice
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: and not a victim, investigators seek Dr.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: Enloe's expertise.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Out of the two knives that were recovered, They do
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: not account.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: For all of the wounds.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Looking at the wounds, looking at the body, looking at
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: what are likely or unlikely scenarios. The table knife is
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: not sharpened to have produced the injuries on the body.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: The folding knife was not possible to cause at least
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: some of the.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Injuries on the body. So there had to be at
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: least one more knife.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: The body is telling us the story. Barbara is telling
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: us the story. She's telling us unequivocally that there's another
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: knife out there.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Given that there are at least three knives, it is
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: more likely to be multiple assailants.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: We know that all of the wounds were inflicted at
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: approximately the same time, one after another, until the victim
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: was dead. So either Barbara Mullenix was killed by a
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: ninja who can swing three knives, or There were two perpetrators.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It makes more sense. It's more probable that more than
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: one person was involved.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: In August 2008, Rachel Mullenix is found guilty of first-degree murder.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: Two months later, Ian Allen is also convicted. Both are
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: sentenced to 25 years to life.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: There were numerous points where Rachel could have stopped this
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: from happening. If she was truly not on board or
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: maybe this got out of hand. But I was present
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: when they read both verdicts on both Ian and Rachel.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And Rachel, to me, they were dry tears. Nothing rang
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: true with her.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: There was no doubt in my mind that she was
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: responsible for killing her mom.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: I believe that Rachel was the mastermind and put this
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: whole thing in motion. And she kept prodding it along
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: by sending him constant texts. In the two or three
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: days leading up to the murder, there were 464 text
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: messages between the two of them, with the final ones
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: being after her mother's murdered, it says, I love you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: In my 16 years of homicide investigation, this is among
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: the most unique and the most horrific that I was
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: involved with.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I don't take any personal sort of glee in somebody
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: being sentenced, but I do take the satisfaction of, trying
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: to speak for the decedent and to contribute to.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: The justice for them.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I do take satisfaction in trying to do that to
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: the best of my ability.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Those hands of Barbara told us the kind of woman
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: she was. She had a fighting spirit, and she fought
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: all the way to the end. And I'm sure that
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the greatest heartache was the betrayal of her own daughters.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: Thank you.