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Football at Four: Where Eagles Stand After Two Weeks; Explaining Roles Of Two Signings · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: the Burns podcast. Where do the Eagles stand after two weeks?
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into that and more right now with Adam
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  Speaker 2: Kaplan on the Sports Bash. And, Adam, obviously a couple things,
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  Speaker 2: news and notes before we get to where they stand
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  Speaker 2: is they bring in Zach Ertz. Yesterday, we'll get into him,
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  Speaker 2: but Kenny Moore today. This is a Pro Bowl player
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, 11 years. He's a veteran.
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  Speaker 2: Why bring a veteran player in? What's the messaging here?
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  Speaker 2: A little interested to see what you think, where he
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  Speaker 2: kind of fits in, and why a veteran player is
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  Speaker 2: coming into the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so a couple things. So Kenny Moore's going
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  Speaker 3: to go on the practice squad. The report on the
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  Speaker 3: money is up to $ 3 million, so it means it's
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  Speaker 3: not $ 3 million. It could be actually significantly less than that.
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  Speaker 3: But they fully expect him to be on the active
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  Speaker 3: roster at some point. They're going to take a look
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  Speaker 3: at him. The Colts tried to trade him. They couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: They moved on from him. uh... he's in the background
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  Speaker 3: career he he's a backup the starter he was once
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  Speaker 3: for a couple years the best nickel the national football
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  Speaker 3: league mike a couple things so it can be more uh...
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  Speaker 3: he could play corner and he could play nickel nickels
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  Speaker 3: in the general inside position though it's a little different
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  Speaker 3: victory and she was going to learn the defense yet
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  Speaker 3: of it's not easy by the way we've learned that
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  Speaker 3: the hard way with vick it's not easy to be
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  Speaker 3: traded create that went through that and it didn't work
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  Speaker 3: he's been a big disappointment also ninja reserve but Ken Moore,
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  Speaker 3: who I met the Super Bowl a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 3: Moore started his career with the Patriots. He loved Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 3: He said he learned a lot from him. Remember him
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  Speaker 3: telling me that? And his rise as an undrafted free agent,
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  Speaker 3: a great story. But the Colts have gone from him.
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  Speaker 3: He's in his 30s now. And then what will happen
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  Speaker 3: is they'll take a look at him, see what he's got.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is, he adds depth to not just nickel,
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  Speaker 3: but to corner. In base, he could play outside and nickel.
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  Speaker 3: He always plays inside. That's been his job, and he's
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  Speaker 3: really good at it. Competitive guy, smart player, but it's
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  Speaker 3: going to take him some time to figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: And then, of course, the big move with Zach Ertz,
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  Speaker 3: who also is going to the practice squad. So this
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  Speaker 3: has been on for a while. We thought it actually,
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  Speaker 3: at the birth, we told our Patreon members this actually
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  Speaker 3: could have happened last week. We told them that it's
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  Speaker 3: in the works. He's going to be an Eagle at
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  Speaker 3: some point. I suspect, Mike, that goddard's mcl sprain move
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  Speaker 3: this up a little bit now we'll take a look
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  Speaker 3: at zach who's 35 years old coming back from a
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  Speaker 3: second acl reconstruction in less than four years mike that's
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  Speaker 3: concerning um but this is such a great way to
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  Speaker 3: end his career with eagles what and don't forget mike
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  Speaker 3: how it ended it didn't end well five years ago
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  Speaker 3: here of course he's coming back yeah and of.
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  Speaker 2: Course uh he was traded to arizona and then ended
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  Speaker 2: up playing in washington and Had a couple of good
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  Speaker 2: years in Washington. We'll see how much he has left
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  Speaker 2: in the tank. I mean, he's coming off the ACL.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you anticipate that he plays in
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  Speaker 2: the game on Monday night and he's the leading target
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  Speaker 2: guy at tight end?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd say this. Two things. If I know Steve
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  Speaker 3: Carrick as agent well and Zach, who we've known as
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  Speaker 3: their family for a while, Josh Weinfeld, our business manager,
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  Speaker 3: For Zach and his family, Jeff and I have known
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  Speaker 3: Zach for a long time. He's super competitive. It's not ideal.
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  Speaker 3: He hasn't been in practice since last season. But if
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  Speaker 3: I understand it right, they've been in contact. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that they sent him a workout video, but they
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  Speaker 3: kind of know where Zach is in his rehab. And
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  Speaker 3: they're going to take a look at him. Once they
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  Speaker 3: start practicing on Thursday, they'll be able to see. No pressure. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if by a big surprise, you can't rule it out,
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  Speaker 3: because if he's fully healed and he feels like he
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  Speaker 3: can do it, and the medical staff says he can play,
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  Speaker 3: you give him a small package of plays. But, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: the big thing that Jeff and I talked about in
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  Speaker 3: August was, if Goddard gets hurt, they're in major trouble
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  Speaker 3: at tight end. Well, what happened was not only did
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  Speaker 3: Goddard get hurt, and we'll see if he goes on
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  Speaker 3: IR or not, he's got the MCL sprained, But let's
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  Speaker 3: not forget, Greg Calcaterra's on IR. Most people forgot that
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  Speaker 3: they brought him back. So he's out for four weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Stowers is out for four weeks. So all they have
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  Speaker 3: is Josiah Jaguar, who is strictly an in-line tight end
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  Speaker 3: like Johnny Mudd. Neither of them use it. When I
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  Speaker 3: saw Johnny Mudd lining up the slot, I laughed. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, please don't throw him the ball. And they did, actually.
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  Speaker 3: But Zach, look, he's not going to block. Not going
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  Speaker 3: to ask him to block. But he's a great runner,
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  Speaker 3: and he's super tough. They need anyone at the tight
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  Speaker 3: end position who can catch Mike. At this point, if
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  Speaker 3: you could get 15 to 20 touchdowns, Zach, in any
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  Speaker 3: game over the next three weeks, consider it a plus.
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  Speaker 3: If he gets four or five catches, Mike, look, they
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  Speaker 3: need anything they can get from that position right now.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt. I think you're 100% right, especially with Eli
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  Speaker 2: Stowers certainly not looking ready as a second-round pick. He's
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  Speaker 2: injured right now. And as you mentioned, Calcaterra. So they
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  Speaker 2: got really not a lot of options. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: if Ertz contributes as soon as Monday night. Where this
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  Speaker 2: team stands now two weeks in, let's look at the
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  Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball. Where does this offense stand,
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  Speaker 2: this Sean Mannion offense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, I think now it's time we could go
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  Speaker 3: a little bit harder on it. One week, you just
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  Speaker 3: go by what you see, but you don't really know
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  Speaker 3: a lot. It's hard to make any conclusions. But now
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  Speaker 3: we could start digging and say, okay, I think we've
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  Speaker 3: got a good handle on this. Let's go to the
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  Speaker 3: top story of this team, Mike. As I told you
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  Speaker 3: coming into the season was the passing game, the timing
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  Speaker 3: of the West Coast offense, which I talked to you
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  Speaker 3: about in February, which we knew they were going to run.
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  Speaker 3: And Sean Manning is a first-time play caller. I've been
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  Speaker 3: super impressed with Hurts' ability to play on time and
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  Speaker 3: on target. His ball location, that's getting the ball where
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  Speaker 3: the receiver could go get it. It actually is better,
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  Speaker 3: I'm told, from tape. It's not perfect. No one is
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  Speaker 3: ever perfect. It needs to be a little better. But
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  Speaker 3: it's much better. It's much better. But he's throwing on
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  Speaker 3: time like he's never done consistently. And he's been great
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  Speaker 3: so far. Anyone has to complain. They don't know football.
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  Speaker 3: He's been really good. And Mannion called a great game
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. Lots of variety of under center. Hurts was
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  Speaker 3: under center about 25 or so percent of the time.
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  Speaker 3: It's working. But the big downer, Mike... Though their pass
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  Speaker 3: protection is really good, it's not great, but it's good.
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  Speaker 3: It's not quite as good as last year, but it's good.
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  Speaker 3: Their running game has been absolutely horrific. This goes to
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  Speaker 3: show you, you've got to be careful what you see
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  Speaker 3: in practice and training camp. It doesn't mean a lot,
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  Speaker 3: and I think we've probably learned that so far. Their
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  Speaker 3: running game has got to be better. It's been bad.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. I would follow that up with,
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  Speaker 2: is it bad because the offensive line is bad? And
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  Speaker 2: if that's the case, do you see this offensive line
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  Speaker 2: as being a perpetual problem?
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  Speaker 3: It is the interior, Mike, with Juergens and Kendall and Steen.
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  Speaker 3: Pass protection, they did a good job of communicating. I
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  Speaker 3: thought they did a nice job. Drew Kendall, he did
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  Speaker 3: a workman's like job. Yeoman's job as a pass protector,
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  Speaker 3: run blocking inside. Look, I know that Barkley got hurt early.
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  Speaker 3: No question that hurt him. He came back and he
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have come back, to be honest with you. Give
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  Speaker 3: him credit for trying to come back.
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  Speaker 2: I think the betters agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just awful. Yeah. I hear you. Surely
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  Speaker 3: for fantasy, it was terrible. I had him on one
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  Speaker 3: of my fantasy teams.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the big stories of the weekend
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  Speaker 2: is that, you know, a lot of these betting sites
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  Speaker 2: will void your bet if the guy ends up getting
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  Speaker 2: hurt in the first quarter. Well, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So Barkley gets hurt in the first quarter. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: who had Barkley player props were like, oh, okay, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to void him and void the bet. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: ends up coming back for like three carries and, you know, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so to finish it off, Mike, look, it was
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  Speaker 3: one game that, you know, Kennel had a start at center.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to have a little extra preparation time. They
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  Speaker 3: don't practice until Thursday this week. And they'll get a
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  Speaker 3: better idea of where they're at. But the offensive line
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  Speaker 3: run block has been atrocious, let's call it. It's been bad.
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  Speaker 3: And it's got... to be better. And it's been over
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  Speaker 3: a season now. They've been bad. They were horrific. They
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  Speaker 3: were historically bad last season after being elite. One of
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  Speaker 3: the best in NFL history in 24. And it's concerning, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: If they want to make a big run in the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs and everything's setting up great, by the way, in
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  Speaker 3: the division right now, NFC East. they've got to block
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  Speaker 3: better for the run. And one thing I want to
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  Speaker 3: add to this, I didn't think I'd be talking about this,
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  Speaker 3: but this is something which Jeff and I are going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about later this week on our Thursday morning
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  Speaker 3: show at 6 a.m., is that I know the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: absolutely do not want to be a passing team, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you, Mike, Hurts handled it extremely well.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't want him dropping back 40 times. That's not
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  Speaker 3: what they want. But if you can't run the ball, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to do something else. So just keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye on it. They may be passing a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more than we expected this season.
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  Speaker 2: Over 30 passes on Sunday. And, of course, Hurts has
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  Speaker 2: a really good game there. And, you know, where this
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  Speaker 2: thing stands after two weeks, we're looking at this run game.
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  Speaker 2: I would have to think that we feel pretty good
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  Speaker 2: about the wide receiver room now, though, no? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you get some big contribution from Wicks. Cooper makes a
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  Speaker 2: play at the back of the end zone. I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to see maybe them get Brown a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: involved with some stuff down the field. But I got
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  Speaker 2: to think that this wide receiver room, which maybe was
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  Speaker 2: a question, maybe you feel a little better about after two?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. Like, I'm charting the game. I started
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  Speaker 3: charting a little bit just to get a better idea.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't expect Hurts to drop back 37. He
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  Speaker 3: actually dropped back 40. He got sacked three times, and
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  Speaker 3: he had 37 attempts. I thought, look, we talked about
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  Speaker 3: this at training camp on Football 4 and all of
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  Speaker 3: our platforms. Andrew and I saw it a lot. I
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  Speaker 3: know Jeff saw it. And I've mentioned it, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how many times on our shows. The chemistry between
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  Speaker 3: Hurts and Wicks has been absolutely phenomenal. And the thing
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  Speaker 3: that I love about Wicks, Mike, is he's always in
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  Speaker 3: the right spot. They have this. I noted this, and
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  Speaker 3: I saw it in the game, too. Hurts throws it
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  Speaker 3: to a spot. He makes Wicks go get it, particularly
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  Speaker 3: on the sideline throws. Their timing's great. Obviously, Smitty and
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  Speaker 3: Hurts are great together. And Darius Cooper and the trust
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  Speaker 3: that Jalen has with him. So you're right, Mike. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Mekhi Lemon, they've got to get him unleashed. Remember, folks,
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  Speaker 3: people want to beat him up about all the slow start.
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  Speaker 3: We warn people, if he does anything for the first
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  Speaker 3: half of the season, I'd be very surprised. Because he's
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  Speaker 3: got to build trust with the play caller and the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't have that yet. What I would do, and
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned Hollywood Brown is, I'm not saying they have
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  Speaker 3: to play him over Lemon, but Because they're so bad,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're so beat up at tight end, why
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  Speaker 3: not start playing Brown, not only in 11 personnel, and
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  Speaker 3: they could play a little 10. 10 is one back,
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  Speaker 3: no 10 at the four receivers. It's not a common formation,
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  Speaker 3: but getting Hollywood Brown out there, he was there for
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  Speaker 3: 20 snaps, but you wouldn't have known it. They're not
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  Speaker 3: throwing the ball downfield to him. Let's start using him
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  Speaker 3: for the reason why he's there and being paid $ 5
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  Speaker 3: million this season, to run downfield. They've got to start
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  Speaker 3: doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to defense real quick, any worry or
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  Speaker 2: thoughts about Lemon? It's just like, eh, so far.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: It's two weeks in.
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  Speaker 3: As I just said, Mike, he's so far behind. Let's
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  Speaker 3: not forget, he missed just about all of their offseason.
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  Speaker 3: And then he missed a lot of their training camp.
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  Speaker 3: He was only back for the final week and a half.
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  Speaker 3: He's far behind, and he just is. And this is
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  Speaker 3: a new offense for him. But, Mike, as I try
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  Speaker 3: to tell people when they– When people thought it would
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  Speaker 3: be a lot of 12 personnel, it was not going
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  Speaker 3: to be because they have to accommodate Lemon. He's the
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  Speaker 3: slot receiver. You've got Smith and Wicks. That tells you
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  Speaker 3: right now that they're playing a lot of 11. They're
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  Speaker 3: giving you the answers to the test. You don't need
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  Speaker 3: to guess. They're telling you what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 3: Then you had Darius Cooper, who's a baller, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: former quarterback, when he went to Charlton State. You're right, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: It's fair to bring that up. You're right. They're deeper.
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  Speaker 3: They're performing. I know it's only two games, though. That's
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  Speaker 3: all we can go on, but Which has been phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: Smitty is Smitty. He's been great. Cooper, he's carrying over.
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  Speaker 3: As we try to tell people, he's their fourth receiver.
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  Speaker 3: But he deserves to be on the field, and you
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  Speaker 3: saw that on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so what do we know about the defense
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  Speaker 2: now through two?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. A little spotty with the run defense. It hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been bad, and it's not like it's awful or anything,
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  Speaker 3: but they're not stopping the run. They're controlling it. They
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  Speaker 3: need to be a little bit better. They've had some
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  Speaker 3: mental breakdowns. It's really interesting, Mike. Like, they'll go three quarters,
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  Speaker 3: or they'll play really good quarters against the pass, like
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  Speaker 3: where they just completely shut down the opponent. And then
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  Speaker 3: Kim Ward starts to get hot. I know he only
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  Speaker 3: had 183 yards, but he had several good shows in
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  Speaker 3: the game. Look, they haven't been the shutdown secondary that
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  Speaker 3: we thought they'd be, but again, it's only two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: They're still giving up very little production. They're giving up
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  Speaker 3: nothing over the top. They're getting beat on slants, certain
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  Speaker 3: short area passes, which they need to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better with.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Adam, of course, Monday night they're going to
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  Speaker 2: have an interesting matchup. It looks like Case Keenum could
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  Speaker 2: be in the center for the Chicago Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, one thing. Yeah, one thing on that. Case
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  Speaker 3: Keenum played them nine years ago in the championship game
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  Speaker 3: against Minnesota. I forgot to mention, Mike, the pass rush
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  Speaker 3: has been really disappointing. And what they need is what
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  Speaker 3: we call a closer, and that's got to be Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: Goddard when he's ready. He's got to be that guy
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  Speaker 3: on third down or nickel situations that's that gets to
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback and brings him down. They have not done
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  Speaker 3: that at all yet. That's been very disappointing.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Adam. Friday, we're back looking at the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: and the Bears right here on Football at Four. Thanks, man. Thanks.